
One of the most common misperceptions for guys coming into a Red Pill awareness experience is an expectation of being able to use that awareness and Game to reconstruct an old relationship. Most often this hope is about a guy wanting to ‘fix’ his broken relationship with a girl who dumped him. This is easily the most common reason Blue Pill guys make themselves open to what the Red Pill has to reveal to him. They are desperate, not for the intergender truths that the Red Pill presents, but rather for a solution to their hearts being crushed by a girl.
This is understandable when you consider that these men are still very steeped in Blue Pill idealism they’ve yet to unlearn (or understand why they need to unlearn it) and haven’t made the connection that their idealism is part of the reason why they likely were dumped. All they feel is a desperate longing to reconnect to a girl who was their ‘One’, and only now they are desperate enough to seek answers from the Red Pill.
It’s funny how some of the most ardent Red Pill deniers will be open to listening to its truths about men and women if it presents the possibility of them getting back with a former lover they invested themselves in. This is a good illustration of the degree of control Blue Pill idealism has over guys; that they would be open to amending their beliefs if it means reconnecting to those feelings he’s been cut away from.
Unfortunately, the Red Pill is not a salve for Blue Pill disillusionment. It’s a cure, not a bandaid. I tried to succinctly address this in the 7th Iron Rule of Tomassi:
Iron Rule of Tomassi #7
It is always time and effort better spent developing new, fresh, prospective women than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship. Never root through the trash once the garbage has been dragged to the curb. You get messy, your neighbors see you do it, and what you thought was worth digging for is never as valuable as you thought it was.
Another Red Pill reconstruction attempt is men who make it their goal to ‘re-seduce’ a woman they failed to effectively Game while still wrapped up in their Blue Pill mindset. The first presumption is that revenge might motivate a guy to want to pump and dump a girl who once blew him out back when he was locked into his Blue Pill mentality. Women like this idea because they think it confirms men’s egos being easily bruised, but I don’t think this is always the case.
It’s entirely possible that some past coquette has taken an organic liking to “the new him” now that his Red Pill transition and better grasp of Game has made him attractive to her. I’ve had several guys relate to me about how they have turned a former ONEitis into a plate they were spinning along with others. The experience of doing so will often solidify Red Pill/Game principles for him – the act of cycling an old ‘soul mate’ into a guy’s roster of non-exclusive lovers is a lesson in taking women of a formerly idealistic pedestal and helps humanize women for him in the process.
I should also add that there’s usually a period of time necessary to effect this. Too many men will see Red Pill awareness and just the loosest form of Game as some magic formula for pulling this off too soon. A sudden incongruent shift in his demeanor only puts her off more and leaves him discouraged.
Doing Everything Right
The third type of reconstructionist is the married man – or the guy in a multi-year LTR – seeking to find the secret to remedy his dead bedroom. There was a time (pre-internet, pre-Red Pill) when these men were reluctant to even voice the problem they were having with their sexually indifferent wives. Generally, this was due to a couple of specific fears.
The first is that most Blue Pill men are conditioned from a very early age to always find fault in themselves before they would ever imply that it would be a woman’s. This was especially true if it was about sex. If you can’t satisfy a woman, it’s your fault. If a woman isn’t aroused or attracted by you, it’s your fault, so the presumption used to be that a man could only better himself as a means to reestablish an attraction that (presumably) he had with his wife before they were married.
Back in the day this ‘improvement’ could be defined in various old books ways. He might get a promotion at work, a shift up in status and pay. He might lose weight or find some form of competition he might possibly do well in. He might change his beliefs or accede to better identifying with his wife, or do more chores around the home, help with the kids, arrange more ‘date nights’. He might go to marriage counseling or participate in his church’s “men’s spiritual retreats” in order to show that he’s growing.
All of these ways of “rekindling the old flame” are essentially a man’s effort in acquiescing to his woman’s Frame while keeping him in a perpetual state of negotiating for her genuine desire. From a Red Pill perspective we understand this, but there was a time, not so long ago, when men’s preoccupation was all about doing everything right in order to get his wife to fuck him like she used to, or with something resembling genuine enthusiasm.
The second fear men of that time had was admitting to their inability to satisfy their wife (LTR) sexually. Again, this was all about a female-dominant Frame, and his qualifying for her pleasure, but we’re talking about a time when men’s interpretation of their own masculinity was always being questioned. It’s interesting to see how times have changed with communication technology. I can remember a time when it would’ve been taboo to be too direct about sex in church. Now it’s unavoidable and we have pastors encouraging sex quota months in order to spur the asexual wives in the congregation.
In a Blue Pill social order, men learn to always qualify for women. So the natural, male-deductive response has always been to do everything right in order to keep the sex faucet flowing. Sacrifice dreams, belay ambitions, get the right job with the right status and become a person who a woman would want to bang. These are all old book presumptions based on the Beta Female-Identifying Provider archetype, but it’s important to keep this in mind today because this same do everything right presumption still persists for men today.
The following is a post from the Married Red Pill Reddit I saved about four months ago.
I originally posted most of this in a reply over at ASKMRP but I thought I’d share here too.
You can read my post history to get all the gory details but I moved out a few months ago in exasperation after following my MRP path to a T and seeing little to no improvement in our relationship. I’ve “fixed” myself in ways I never thought I could and moving out was me punting the final decision for a bit before I blow my beautiful children’s life to pieces.
Things are calm, peaceful, friendly and kinda fun at “home” but the sexual dynamic hasn’t changed at all despite all odds. I’ve finally reached the point that I give 0 fucks either way and every day that goes by makes me a bit more ambivalent to the whole deal.
It’s taken a long time to get here but something happened last week that opened my eyes to how shitty my life has been for a looooong time and how at this point she is the only “problem” left in my life and I can’t “fix” her.
The quick back story is that I was a fat, beta fuck for a long time and have been on this journey for about 2 years. I am fairly ripped now and have “fixed” myself to the point that I feel comfortable saying I’m a top 5-10% guy in my metro. Good looking, successful business(Doubled my sales in the last 12mos! Thanks MRP!), dress well…etc.
Last week I initiated with the wife while I was over at our house helping get the kids to bed. She shot me down like she has been for months. We still fuck here and there but the quality has been shitty for a while despite implementing as much SGM as I can.
I laughed, told her goodnight and went back to my house. I actually prefer being there now. I’ve come to love the solitude too as the loneliness and missing the kids has worn off a little.
I worked out and read for a while and got bored so I decided to download Bumble and Tinder to get a no risk gauge of where I’m at if I end up nexting her. I’ve been getting plenty of IOI’s in public but I live in a small town so pursuing them would eventually lead to big problems. I also downloaded a GPS location faker and put myself in a state far, far away to make sure I don’t get doxxed by one of her shitty, single friends…
Gentlemen…It’s been 4 days and I currently have over 60 unsolicited messages from all kinds of women. My inbox is full of unsolicited tittie and pussy shots from women waayyy hotter than my wife. I’ve got 5 women literally begging me to come fuck them and another 5 or so I’m confident I could fuck within a week if I wanted.
It’s a good thing I put myself so far away or the temptation would probably be way too much to handle. I deleted the apps this morning as I’m not ready to blow everything up yet and I want to give the marriage every last chance for my kids sake. I know myself well enough to know that once I taste some strange there will no turning back. The constant buzzing of the burner phone was also killing my productivity.
The end result is that this whole experiment has killed off any last shred of oneitis I had and opened my eyes to what my life will look like going forward if this goes the way it’s heading. My wife is a good woman and is fairly hot but it appears that she may not be able to see past all those years of beta shittiness from me and that’s ok.
I didn’t tell you my story to brag but to re-affirm that only you can change and determine the quality of your life. I can tell you that 2 years ago I was a mess trying to hang on to the shreds of my marriage while my wife was pretty much repulsed by me. My wife will or will not change into the sexy woman I want over the next few months but now I really don’t care because I have PAINFULLY built myself into a man that the world will treat very well either way.
Salvation lies within, motherfuckers! Get to work, be consistent, and reap the rewards!
Today the hope for bettering a man’s sexual prospects in marriage is found primarily in Red Pill awareness. I would daresay that the Red Pill, Game and the manosphere have done more in improving men’s sexual access in marriage than contemporary marriage counseling for about 10 years now. That’s to be lauded I think, but it also has to come with the understanding that no man’s experience, no man’s situation with his wife/woman, is ever the same, nor is it ideal.
There is a set of Red Pill men (usually married) who also attempt to do everything right – according to Red Pill awareness and applied Game – and, as per this man’s story, the situation is such that it is still ‘not enough’.
These men become Red Pill aware, they unplug, they struggle to accept it while disenfranchising themselves from their Blue Pill conditioning. They put in the time for insight and soul-searching, they deal with the uncomfortable truths of what they’ve been all their lives. They deal with the anger that inspires and they come out on the other side and begin to remake themselves. They self-improve.
Roosh recently had some Dali Lama moment about how he believes self-improvement is some Zen preset channel for men, and they ought not worry about bettering themselves. I say bullshit. Self-improvement itself is a state of being. Once a man applies himself, invests more in himself than he ever has before, changes his mind about himself, he becomes hisown mental point of origin.
These men begin to see the results of their efforts, efforts often unbeknownst to his woman. She may witness the outward changes, but only he know the experience of his inward changes. Now he’s got to deal with new experiences that were previously foreign to him in his old, Blue Pill self-identity. Some are uncomfortable and require him to use judgement he’s never had to before. Others are temptations or opportunities he’s never had access to before.
All of what’s led to this transition required a lot of personal investment on his part, and by his Red Pill awareness he’s done everything right. This transformative experience becomes a kind of Relational Equity for him; equity he believes his wife, his ex, the old high school girl who ignored him, should have some appreciation for. Just like the old books men who believed that building themselves up in their careers or getting more in touch with their feminine sides would be the key to doing everything right, the Red Pill aware guy finds that it’s not him, it’s her.
This is part one of this series.

‘Ethereal bullshit.’
HAHAHAHAHA. Yeah his voice and kind of his face lol. But the stuff he points to is actually quite substantial/life-changing.
*snigger* Yeah he doesn’t have alpha marketing like RM/CH 😉
May be if you stick around long enough, you will start to see why we all fall for most stuff irl. Great chatting A. For real. But I have to go now. tc.
TC! 😀 x The sentiments are returned.
So, basically, all the improvement comes from the mental point of origin of pleasing the female. Also, further improvements are also for pleasing other females to find you attractive or desirable.
How is this SELF improvement, when it is motivated only by the female???
What I am saying, is that all of you are here to IMPROVE yourselves because of women, not because of the desire to improve on your own recognizance. If we removed pussy from the equation…
@A But you gaming people are deceptive. Some games are inherently deceptive…makeup…girdles…pushup bras…wigs If some girl found out you were plate spinning Because she is exclusive? yeah, right, lol @IB But the truth is most of the guys at Tomassi’s site are far more interested in using their anger and hatred towards women to fuel and justify their desire to bang a lot of hot chicks. Not what I see. Try again. So men, perpetually bitter and angry You have a perpetual wetness for the men here, and are trying to press our buttons, like some sixth grade girl pinching… Read more »
How do I do italics?
@theasdgamer
‘Some games are inherently deceptive…makeup…girdles…pushup bras…wigs’
I’ve never pulled that shit in my life lol. Girdles, wtf? Which century are you living in?
‘Because she is exclusive? yeah, right, lol’
What do you mean?
@theasdgamer
‘Some games are inherently deceptive…makeup…girdles…pushup bras…wigs’
Fooling someone about ‘cup size’ isn’t psychologically scarring lol. It’s not bringing harm to the receiver.
Holy shit, check out this video. It’s like she’s sitting in the hypergamy confessional. Also, look at how she sees her independent living experience – proving to her that she can take care of herself. Think about how important that is to hypergamy. This manic focus by women on providing for themselves and being “okay with myself” serves to allow them to focus solely on lover selection. It’s about validating them not selecting men for ability to provision and safety etc. It’s also all about meeting her emotional needs. Notice her obsession with herself, and how she notices how self-absorbed… Read more »
@Cheupez for the win. “I think TRM is not really a PUA forum, it is more like a men’s locker room.” As for not knowing why I get laid, I assume you don’t think that of me, correct? Re: @A – As for PUA being deceptive, lordy, okay, we’ve got a live one here. Let’s start with some basics: 1. Humans lie all the time. If you are unaware of the essentially dishonest nature of humans, particularly with how we present ourselves socially and in public, try reading What A Body Is Saying by Joe Navarro, deception detection expert out… Read more »
I didn’t read deeply into the last 24hours of comments, and none of IBs. I gather from @Gamer that she claimed we used TRM to gin up our anger to justify fucking young hotties? Lol. Why do I need to be angry at women to fuck young hotties? I’m less angry at women in general than perhaps ever in my life. I do, however, also feel freer to read the riot act to cunts like IB at the same time, and in fact see it as necessary every once in a while. Remember, IB is the beautiful soul who told… Read more »
@Anonymous Reader
Because if women couldn’t “get over it”, they’d never be able to survive War Bride status – so it’s in their hindbrain to brew up a tempest in a teapot, and to get over it
That’s a pretty keen observation – tying those two concepts together. Well done!
Okay, thought I caught up but then saw the mention that “A” is a friend of Softek’s? The chubby, epiphany-struck, cock-gagging HB5 slut?
As an OMG who has commented here occasionally in the past, this post really resonated with me in a visceral way. Rollo has written here often about just how incredibly difficult it is to revitalize a dead bedroom when your wife has determined you’re a beta. In my case, I first started on the RP journey five years ago, and only this year has it started really paying off. Rollo’s exactly right: Women will resist your RP transformation with every fiber in their bones. I have to say that in my situation, dread has been a huge benefit, but as… Read more »
@A ‘Some games are inherently deceptive…makeup…girdles…pushup bras…wigs’ I’ve never pulled that shit in my life lol. Girdles, wtf? Which century are you living in? So, because you don’t wear makeup, neither do most women? What you are doing here in the manosphere we call “solipsism”…you take a question and apply it to yourself when it actually concerns all women. (You’ve never worn makeup?) I see all kinds of tricks done by women to enhance their looks…falsies make their appearance at inopportune moments sometimes. I see girdles sold on TV. Maybe you didn’t notice? ‘Some games are inherently deceptive…makeup…girdles…pushup bras…wigs’ Fooling… Read more »
@scrib
Okay, thought I caught up but then saw the mention that “A” is a friend of Softek’s? The chubby, epiphany-struck, cock-gagging HB5 slut?
Not sure. At first she claimed to be, but then denied it…could have been a mistake.
Scorecard so far:
A shows up bitching about abusive boyfriend who reads TRM, which is how she found it.
SJF comments that he hopes this nutball isn’t Softek’s girlfriend.
A runs with Softek being her boyfriend.
A reads some of Softie’s comments and says he’s not the one.
To be continued, I’m sure, but this one hasn’t proved to be much fun to play with. She would be improved if she were turned into a newt, it would raise her mental capacity.
@KFG – Thanks for the mid-game precis for those of us who lost the thread.
So, a GF of an “abusive” BF who comes here. Hmm, @A – tell us, what is this abuse you speak of? Are you chained to a floor somewhere, only having been able to make a comment while your monstrous abuser is out?
I know I’m a shit for saying this, but I hope it’s Fleezer’s woman…
lol @ self esteem
What a bullshit concept
Bubba Licious
So, basically, all the improvement comes from the mental point of origin of pleasing the female.
No. Not even close. Read more.
kfg
A shows up bitching about abusive boyfriend who reads TRM, which is how she found it.
First shows up on a 4 year old posting, “Case Study – The Crazy”, mind you. That must have come up in a search, but what terms were used, eh? Then she moved over here to the current thread. But she’s not teh crazy. Because she said so.
https://therationalmale.com/2012/06/21/case-study-the-crazy/comment-page-2/#comments
Snow is falling stove is hot,nice.
I asked Mrs.Box if she had to work tomorrow,(all of my contracts have been fulfilled,and nothing on the book)She says no ,you have to put up with me for another day.
I told her “no problem you don’t bother me baby and if you start to I will just bend you over the table” this gives her the shivers and she squirms around on her chair like a mini siezure.
Then she says”god dammit stop that shit”.
Now this is some fun non abuse.
You couldn’t have that much fun with a newt.
@Sun Wu Kong – Where u at brother?
Look, all this angst really has to do with the AF/BB thing being encapsulated in the one man. A woman wants her man to be “alpha” but not so alpha that he would leave or threaten her position in his life by having others. That is why women go for men who are already successful and at the apex of their lives and careeers because they subconsciously know for a fact that if they selected a man with nothing but potential, and supported him on his way to success, he WOULD leave her on acquiring said success – they always… Read more »
@Jeremy Nice FR, man. I’d love to get chased around by a 40y.o, who does all the moves. BTW giving your number to girls is rarely a good strategy if they have high value. PS You would have been even more alpha if initially you had totally ignored them, making them feel worthless. Suddenly rising from your chair, you approach the dejected women eating dinner, upset at another rejection, wondering if they’ll ever land a man. With a gruff stare, you make eye contact, jerking your head sideways towards your ride. Eventually “Why are you still here?”, will be uttered,… Read more »
“@Sun Wu Kong – Where u at brother?”
Man i miss learning from him…
@insanity “So men, perpetually bitter and angry, and women having their emotions reverse engineered so they can be used for sex and thrown away. That’s a more realistic view of what’s really going on.” Men are often angry when they learn about RP, because they have been doing all of the “good guy” stuff that women and society say we should do, ultimately to learn that this does not exactly line up with what women really want. You don’t seem to really appreciate this. Even marriage is used against men, sometimes in heartless and cruel ways. In some cases, men… Read more »
@xxxx….. If worst thing about the ‘invest early’ strategy is that it worked too well (ie, women end up with men that far exceed them in value), then you would see a whole lot more women trying it. Women wait for men to actually achieve something, because it avoids the risk of investing time in a guy who will ultimately end up being a loser (which is pretty common, when you look at women who have children at a very early age — they pick an unredeemable loser). And of course young women are also encouraged to have fun, find… Read more »
Women wait for men to actually achieve something, because it avoids the risk of investing time in a guy who will ultimately end up being a loser (which is pretty common, when you look at women who have children at a very early age — they pick an unredeemable loser). And of course young women are also encouraged to have fun, find themselves, etc. Yes, women tend to be poor judges of the future of individual guys, so they generally “have fun” until the guys pan out in their early 30s and you have a clearer picture of who they… Read more »
@xxxxxxxxxxxxx “if they selected a man with nothing but potential, and supported him on his way to success, he WOULD leave her on acquiring said success – they always do – AMALT.. ” That is such a load of horseshit. Blue pill conditioning for 97% of males says that’s utter horseshit. As if the guy can just flip the bird and skate away without a scratch, laughing at the old bitch with his new Latina under his arm. He loses 3/4 of it in that case. No wonder the old bitch had already filed before it even got to that… Read more »
“She would also be a constant reminder that he was not adequate enough to achieve all that he has on this own.”
That’s a pretty good one. Thanks, I needed a giggle.
@scribblerg
‘The chubby, epiphany-struck, cock-gagging HB5 slut?’
I used to be a bit chubby. Maybe I was a HB5. Definitely wasn’t a slut.
Does weight change your HB#?
@scribblerg
Whatever man. Fine, I’m ugly. I’m cool with that. I don’t want to debate how ugly I am.
What the fuck is this bullshit???
Women don’t come here to learn–they come here to propagandize for the FI and women’s advantages. They say that men shouldn’t spin plates and other bullshit.
@Blaximus
Pissed myself
“Men subconsciously want to distance themselves from women who knew them at their weakest because he has already ceded a large part of his power to her – her deep intimate knowledge of him.”
That is some damn shitty Frame control. Weak and scared Frame.
I think you made up the AMALT term. I’ve never run across that term, nor have ever seen it practiced in real life. That is a woman commenter Tell.
“Does weight change your HB#?”
Is that a trick question?
Jeremy
Good fr. I know exactly what you mean… I look at a place, look at the lighting and then just watch and wait.
But giving your number… Not my deal. I always wait until they force theirs…
N1 Yareally cant pay the tabs in the places…
rugby11,
That doesn’t help at all.
What people are asking for is a few words from you describing the content you’re linking to, so we can decide if we want to click on it.
@SJF
‘Is that a trick question?’
But weight is unchangeable. Facial genetics don’t change. Weight shouldn’t change HB status. Cos you can change the girl’s weight.
Nova. Boxcar. Xxxxxxxsomething…. Totally wrong gents… Women will absolutely “invest” in a guy who has nothing but potential… This is the realm of the drummers and artists and activisits and entrepreneurs… Women are turned ON by alpha as demonstrated via the Triad qualities of dynamic, passionate and authentic… This is why a girl is working 2 jobs to pay for her guy doinf his thing… Whatever that is… They are more than happy to “go long” on potential… But very few guys can evince that potential… Dogs being dog like they hew to an inauthetic script too often… Have a… Read more »
A
Are you Emily?
@Sentient
Is Emily softek’s real life gf? Nah, I’m not Emily.
A is a *bot*. The incoherence effectively presents as a woman commenter. They are improving…
“But weight is unchangeable. Facial genetics don’t change. Weight shouldn’t change HB status. Cos you can change the girl’s weight.”
Well, I’m gonna have to side with Blaximus on that one…..
@N1 – BTW giving your number to girls is rarely a good strategy if they have high value. Curious about your insight on this… She didn’t have high value FWIW. Single mom, divorced, kinda slutty looking, but hot. Good for a bang maybe. BTW, the other strategy I’ve found effective is to delete their numbers out of my contacts as soon as I get a text from them, and then delete every text immediately. That way even if the old beta behavior sneaks in and I’m tempted, there’s no way for me to proactively text them. They have to contact… Read more »
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NcBPpuCKMp4/VV349sphxuI/AAAAAAAAGrE/tmLuZphAOo4/s1600/success%2Bstories.jpg
Dors weight change your HB status (blink blink)…
“A is a *bot*”
You’ve heard of vocal fry. I was sensing a lot of keyboard fry.
“But weight is unchangeable.”
Right. So not just some crazy chick; some crazy fat chick.
It’s interesting to note that the first couple of successful attempts to create a chatbot both emulated well known types of completely divorced from reality crazy types:
1. A schizophrenic
2. A psychoanalyst
@Sentient
Haha, yeah fair enough! 😀 🙂
KP
(Its the origin of is handle)
@Sentient
Yo Sentient, is the lady you linked me to Katy Perry? Cos she usually looks good but on the left side looks a bit old/ugly.
I was never as fat as the one of the right!
A
You were fatter?
rugby11,
Geez, do I have to draw a picture?
DON’T do this:
Instead, do this:
Now that will be helpful.
Oh jeez again, damned wordpress!
Geez, do I have to draw a picture?
DON’T do this:
Instead, do this:
Now that will be helpful.
@Sentient
‘Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.’
Ice cream🍦
I’ve banned the bot. Funny how it came in on an ancient thread though.
The schizobot didn’t show up on just any random ancient thread. It went right to The Crazy. Almost like it was looking for chat rooms full of neurotics.
“Karen” it at least took a while to realize that huge chunks of its comments had the appearance of being the result of algorithmic searches, then a bit more time to feed it comments to see if I could provoke a simple, human response from it. There was some puzzle solving entertainment involved in that.
This one was just retarded.
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@xxx “….selected a man with nothing but potential, and supported him on his way to success…” When someone starts going along those lines… What I have seen: One of the most pervasive lies of the FI is the one where they exagerate a woman’s contribution to a man’s success. The guy is a good successful pilot because the woman. The guy is a good successful surgeon because the woman. Etc. BULL. Usually, it is the personal attributes of the fella, almost zero (and quite often even negative) contribution from the woman unless she is his teacher or something. Good surgeons… Read more »
We are all bots of a sort. Some are digital and others are organic, but we all regurgitate snippets of stuff we’ve heard, trying to get context right, lol. In a way…
Question: If a bot was good at interacting, would you care if it was a bot?
What I’ve noticed is that the women/girls who go to the mat supporting a man materially are rarely doing so for a guy to become a lawyer or engineer. They do it for artists and musicians and alternative guys who are spinning some line of BS about their future or biz possibilities, or maybe they are activists and non-profit poseurs. I use a version of this in what I call the “aging rock star vibe”. Rollo and anyone else who’s ever played rock music and has a little bit of cool can pull it off. It’s like women enjoy the… Read more »
“Question: If a bot was good at interacting, would you care if it was a bot?”
If someone isn’t good at interacting,would you care that they aren’t a bot?
I really was beginning to suspect A was E,m1’l iy on 3.2 beer.
She did show on an old thread but she did take a shine to Scribbler.
It looks to me like the village at large promotes the fallacy of men owing their success to women.I see this in sitcoms,commercials,movies and articles not in real life and never for a guy that is low on the scale.
Now if they were to take credit for the guy still struggling in a dead end job in desperation for fear of losing the only means of support this would be believable. ,
Behind every successful man is a woman just waiting for him to fall so she can branch-swing to the next meal ticket.
“Behind every successful man is a woman just waiting for him to fall so she can branch-swing to the next meal ticket.” Truer words are rarely spoken within earshot of HR. I can amend this;Behind every successful man is a woman,Way behind just waiting for him to,lose focus long enough that she can trip him or otherwise impede progress causing him to fall so she can branch-swing to the next meal ticket. It has been my experience,that they do everything in their power to stick the spokes. Maybe it is just clumsiness or stupidity,this thought is what keeps me throwing… Read more »
@scrib What I’ve noticed is that the women/girls who go to the mat supporting a man materially are rarely doing so for a guy to become a lawyer or engineer. I see this all the time in UMC Land. Mrs. Gamer did it for me when I was in grad school. My brother’s wife supported them when he was in law school. That’s Boomers and whatever came after. Both sexes supported prospective doctor spouses among Gen X. When I was a literally starving student, my Fling would bring me food from the cafeteria, so the Bohemian struggling artist/musician/student/whatever has some… Read more »
@scribblerg
“We are all bots of a sort. Some are digital and others are organic, but we all regurgitate snippets of stuff we’ve heard, trying to get context right, lol. In a way…”
Copy of a Copy (NIN): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVB_DI4ajKA
@gamer
” She refused to relocate to the city where the school was located. I had rather give that up than get a divorce at that time. Blue Pill. Too bad I didn’t do Taming of the Shrew on her when we were first married.”
Blue pill “dumb here”too,can’t waste time on coulda,shoulda,mighta,woulda.
My main goal is moving on with ambition,while keeping her stuff in the check box.No way to get her on board now,so the main goal is cut losses and increase profits,old Boxy can do as she wishes,just don’t shit on my dishes.
“If a bot was good at interacting, would you care if it was a bot?”
That would depend on the context. In some contexts I would care in the sense that I would prefer it. I imagine Dave would have some interesting perspectives on that.
Had a similar career sabotage experience. I was 28, and have been selected by the French tech company I worked for (that had bought Honeywell and Zenith, you might not remember, Zenith built the first clamshell laptop that sold in droves and way back Honeywell had a big IT biz) for a position in Europe. A local VP had selected me and groomed etc. Finally it’s all set, I’m to go over for a “look see” visit with my wife for 5 days. They put us up in a nice hotel, wined and dined us, interviewed me etc. Went great.… Read more »
“If a bot was good at interacting, would you care if it was a bot?”
I expect to see “companion bots” become common in the next couple of decades.
Like Siri only with a wider dataset, and a better ability to tune in to individual preferences.
When combined with some form of sexbot, the results will be interesting. Here’s where the state of the art appears to be right now:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2605288/westworld-humans-robots-coming-rise-sex-machine/
The Japanese might once again lead the way in automation of process.
Bearing in mind that Asimov didn’t write the I,Robot stories to illustrate how the robots of the future would work. He wrote them to illustrate how they would, inevitably, fail.
The interesting bit is that robots fail far less often than do humans, but they do so in inhuman ways.
Uber is blaming this:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/14/13960836/uber-self-driving-car-san-francisco-red-light-safety
. . . on human driver error, but they don’t specify just what that error was or how it came about. I suspect what we have here is failure to communicate – human thinking to robot thinking.
@kfg
Jack Williamson’s Humanoids are less well known, but more interesting than Asimov’s.
Now, just to add to the fun: the Internet of Things is really the Inernet of Hackable things.
High end fridge with a camera to monitor the food? Hackable. Smart thermostat for the house, maybe even room by room in new construction? Ditto. Many modern cars including Tesla? Very hackable, even from some distance.
Sexbot connected to the net…
We having teh fon, yet?
Fyi, if you look at the smartest people on AI they tell you that the idea of replicating human consciousness is silly and not near cuz we don’t really understand consciousness in humans yet. What we will see are lots of utilitarian robots, already a reality in industrial settings. They will respond to voice commands and become cheaper and cheaper. You can already buy them. And see how they are being marketed to women, lol. Check out this ad, it’s too spot on for us here. All she needs to do is add a saddle vibrator to ride or a… Read more »
“There’s a dangerous line that, if not trodden carefully, may result in unrealistic expectations in the bedroom. Robots do nothing for a person’s performance. Sure, they’ll moan in the right places and make you feel like you’re the queen of sex, but copy and paste those moves into a real-life scenario with a real person and the reception might not be as good as you thought it would be.”
Enter the “bot widow”.
“High end fridge with a camera to monitor the food?”
When they first started talking about that my reflexive reaction was: “To hell with why I would want something like that, what would I have to smoking to even allow something like that in my house?”
“Enter the “bot widow”.”
We have now reached the point where this reference has become obligatory:
kfg
“High end fridge with a camera to monitor the food?”
When they first started talking about that my reflexive reaction was: “To hell with why I would want something like that, what would I have to smoking to even allow something like that in my house?”
Not The Target Market is a reality for some. But for most people, P.T. Barnum was right.
I personally cannot imagine having sex with a robot. Seems to be the ultimate opposite of an abundance mentality, in fact, such a man can only be desperate and self-hating beyond all imagining for me. I wouldn’t even use a Fleshbot, seems quite pathetic to me. I was watching the Cherry 2000 trailer and was comparing notes. My HB9 is that hot, she loves sex and likes to serve me… No robot required, boys, just game. Let the chumps fuck bots, more real pussy for us. I imagine at some point, women will marry betas and then make them fuck… Read more »
The release of the new sex bots for women,is where the real money is.
The women that can afford these $8000 machines,will have a hard time finding alpha IRL.
Another exceptional essay, Rollo. Something of a habit, I see.
I would like to thank you in particular for coining the phrase ‘mental point of origin’.
It strikes me, if someone were to make a tape, repeating just this phrase and asked me to listen to it night and day for the next decade. I don’t think it would be too much. Nor would I tire of it.
For me, this is the holy grail.
Every aspect of the red pill intersects with discovering your mental point of origin. It’s this philosophy’s concept of the universal man.
it’s not him, it’s her
It is what i have been telling the LTR for years. She even sees it occasionally.
Good stuff Rollo.
If some girl found out you were plate spinning… that’s really destructive to her self esteem
Not really. It says “her” man is attractive to other woman. That is qualification. If she is “strong” she will out compete the competition. If she is weak? Well you probably shouldn’t want her.
Bubba Licious
January 15, 2017 at 2:11 am
Self improvement is going after what you want and getting it. It usually mean conforming to the requirements of what you want. If you want a drivers license you go to the DMV not the IRS. If you want women to be attracted to you – do what attracts women.
Conforming to what gets you the result you want is self improvement.
scribblerg
January 16, 2017 at 10:31 am
There is an AI map that conforms to human consciousness. It is Marvin Minskey’s “Societies of the Mind”. And it is not far off from what we do in today’s AI.
You pick domain solvers. It is what humans do. And we know how to do domain solvers. What we have no done yet is the AI for domain recognition (to pick the appropriate solver). But that is not a hard problem.
A couple of my friends got married some years back. After 3 or so years she wasn’t pregnant, so she divorced him and remarried. Last I heard of her she’d gotten knocked up succesfully.
Could have been worse. Note the motive for the double murder in Austria a few years back:
http://nypost.com/2017/01/17/dangerous-ice-cream-killer-being-moved-to-mens-prison/
Yeah, this would be one of those European women that some men figure are so much better than the Americans.
Me: 25 Year corporate fraud investigator.
Fraudsters get away with their lies and crimes by emotional detachment.
A Woman who has eaten Satan’s apple from the Garden of Eden (i.e. been onthe carrousel for years) becomes emotionally detached and will defraud a beta. The knowledge Eve got from Satan was that she could use her body to make Adam her Slave. And work work work because men LOVE idealistically and women love opportunistically (I.e. Not our definition of LOVE at all)
The common use of the term “pornography” to describe all sex-related materials enjoyed by men is evidence of how deep we are in the feminine imperative matrix. Men should push back against this terminology. The next time a women accuses you of watching or enjoying porn. Do (at least) the Level 2 most Alpha Mental Point-of-Origin thing. Say: “No, I do not enjoy porn—I enjoy erotica! Porn makes me feel bad about myself—erotica excites me.” Of course, if I understand Rollo’s writings, Level 1 responses would include making her watch so she can learn to please you better, giving her… Read more »
Back story: Got 2 kids from a previous and got together with a woman (13 years younger; I am 42) with a kid the same age as my youngest.She appears pretty red pill, is in many ways, defers to me, sees me as her superior,has dread concerning my count…never told her what it is, but she assumes it is high due to various attributes; it’s 40+ I am not sure if I fall into the “alpha” category.Have on occasion pulled up to 4 a week without trying all to much, on account on my being somewhat lazy and falling back… Read more »
@Cobslide:
You ask the question obviously already knowing the answer, but are looking for a way to turn “is” into “what I wish was.”
Ain’t gonna happen. Kill the beta. Deal with the reality.
Cobslide play this tune while you give to her three ways at once,just the two of you.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlwLmyaa454&w=560&h=315%5D
And then go out and get yourself a couple of younger, hotter, child free plates to break yourself away from the growing idea that this one might be The One.
We don’t want to see you back here in three years asking how not to eat a bullet.
@Cobslide KFG has mentioned this twice before: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I blazed a new trail, And that has made all the difference. https://therationalmale.com/2015/11/10/the-purple-pill/comment-page-3/#comment-127445 From “PLEASE Stop Misinterpreting ‘The Road Not Taken’ by Robert Frost” http://susanbaroncini-moe.com/please-stop-misinterpreting-the-road-not-taken/ I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. What It Means: This is the most telling stanza of the poem. It talks about how we rewrite our own histories. We tell stories and… Read more »
Cheers gents, had the above sentiments go through my head for a few days (since she let it slip during a chat about sex …she says she is embarrassed af now). As an aside, any idea what % (if not all) of women has this fantasy. Read somewhere it was slightly over 50%.
“Roosh recently had some Dali Lama moment about how he believes self-improvement is some Zen preset channel for men, and they ought not worry about bettering themselves. I say bullshit. Self-improvement itself is a state of being. Once a man applies himself, invests more in himself than he ever has before, changes his mind about himself, he becomes his own mental point of origin.” ‘Mental point of origin’ is the key phrase. Some people believe, though, unconsciously, that they are ‘self-improving’ just by following the script. That’s how you end up with the men you mention in part two of… Read more »
The reason why you want to be better is the reason why you aren’t.
“I do believe that Watts is actually advocating that you make yourself your mental point of origin.” Yes. ” . . . men who are total deadbeats . . .” . . . and “jerks,” and “misogynists,” and “literally Hitler.” All terms from the false set of books that strive to shame you into running your life according to someone else’s mental point of origin, for their benefit. The Boogie Men of the Slave Mind. What is “success”? Achieving your goals. The false set of books offers up a set of goals, all tied up in a nice, pretty ribbon,… Read more »