Tribes

tribes

I received this email some time ago, but I felt it needed some serious consideration to give the concept the justice it deserved.

Rollo — You’ve been a major help to my understanding the underlying dynamics between men and women. I’ve observed them in bits and pieces over the years but never really understood the whys behind them or how to turn them in our favor.

It seems like one mid-term focus you have is on male-male dynamics, specifically fathers and sons. But I also wonder whether you’d consider writing more about bonding and support between men and how those relationships can anchor men’s lives at a time when male relationships are regarded with skepticism by larger society. Lately it’s struck me that men tend to innately trust the men they know and distrust those they don’t (and that it’s often the reverse for women). This inclines us to believe women when they decry the “assholes” who have mistreated them in the past while women are empathetic and credulous toward women whose character they don’t know and whom they’ve never met.

Many of us out here are lacking strong male relationships, and our small social circles translate to fewer men we innately trust and more men we innately don’t. Women seem to regard male friendships as a luxury at best–we should be focusing on career, family, and her needs–while women’s friendships are seen as a lifeline in their crazy, have-it-all world. Indeed, a man discouraging his SO’s friendships is widely seen as a sign of emotional abuse, whereas the reverse is “working on the relationship.”

This strikes me as a deep but largely untapped Red Pill well and could provide essential guidance for men looking to live a proud, constructive Red Pill life however women and children might fit into it. I’d definitely welcome your insights in future entries.

Look forward to every post!

Back in February Roosh proposed (and attempted to initiate) a worldwide event that would be a sort of ‘gathering of the tribes’ with the intent of having men get together in small local gatherings to “just have a beer and talk amongst like-minded men.” My impression of the real intent of in putting this together notwithstanding, I didn’t think it was a bad idea. However, the problem this kind of ‘tribes meeting’ suffers from is that it’s entirely contrived to put unfamiliar men together for no other purpose than to “have a beer and talk.” The problem with unfamiliar men coming together simply to meet and relate is a noble goal, however, the fundamental ways men communicate naturally makes the function of this gathering seem strange to men.

Women talk, men Do.

The best male friends I have share one or more common interests with me – a sport, a hobby, music, art, fishing, lifting, golf, etc. – and the best conversations I can remember with these friends occurred while we were engaged in some particular activity or event. Even just moving a friend into his new house; it’s about accomplishing something together and in that time relating about shit. When I lived in Florida some of the best conversations I had with my studio guys were during some project we had to collaborate on for a week or two.

Women, make time with the express purpose of talking between friends. Over coffee perhaps, but the act of communication is more important than the event or activity. Even a ‘stitch-and-bitch’ is simply an organized excuse to get together and relate. For women, communication is about context. They are rewarded by how that communication makes them feel. For Men communication is about content and they are rewarded by the interchange of information and ideas.

[…]From an evolutionary perspective, it’s likely that our hunter-gatherer tribal roles had a hand in men and women’s communication differences. Men went to hunt together and practiced the coordinated actions for a cooperative goal. Bringing down a prey animal would have been a very information-crucial effort; in fact the earliest cave paintings were essentially records of a successful hunt and instructions on how to do it. Early men’s communication would necessarily have been a content driven discourse or the tribe didn’t eat.

Similarly women’s communications would’ve been during gathering efforts and childcare. It would stand to reason that due to women’s more collectivist roles they would evolve to be more intuitive, and context oriented, rather than objective oriented. A common recognition in the manosphere is women’s predisposition toward collectivism and/or a more socialist bent to thinking about resource distribution. Whereas men tend to distribute rewards and resources primarily on merit, women have a tendency to spread resources collectively irrespective of merit. Again this predisposition is likely due to how women’s ‘hard-wiring’ evolved as part of the circumstances of their tribal roles.

From this perspective it’s a fairly easy follow to see how the tendency of men to distrust unfamiliar (out-group) men might be a response to a survival threat whereas women’s implicit trust of any member of the ‘sisterhood’ would be a species-survival benefit to the sex that requires the most parental investment and mutual support.

Divide & Conquer

In our post-masculine, feminine-primary social order it doesn’t take a Red Pill Lens to observe the many examples of how the Feminine Imperative goes to great lengths to destroy the intrasexual ‘tribalism’ of men. Since the time of the Sexual Revolution the social press of equalism has attempted to force a commonly accepted unisex expectation upon men to socialize and interact among themselves as women do.

The duplicity in this striving towards “equality” is, of course, the same we find in all of the socialization efforts of egalitarian equalism; demasculinizing men in the name of equality. A recent, rather glaring, example of this social push can be found (where else?) at Harvard University where more than 200 female students demonstrated against a new policy to discourage participation in single-gender clubs at the school. You see, women were very supportive of the breaking of gender barriers when it meant that men could no longer discriminate in male-exclusive (typically male-space) organizations, but when that same equalist metric was applied to women’s exclusive organizations, then the cries were accusations of insensitivity and the banners read “Women’s Groups Keep Women Safe.”

That’s a pretty fresh incident that outlines the dynamic, but it’s important to understand the underlying intent of the “fine for me, but not for thee” duplicity here. That intent is to divide and control men’s communication by expecting them to communicate as women do, and ideally to do so on their own accord by conditioning them to accept women’s communication means as the normatively correct way to communicate. As I’ve mentioned before, the most effective social conventions are the ones in which the participants willingly take part in and willingly encourage others to believe is correct.

Tribes vs. The Sisterhood

Because men have such varied interests, passions and endeavors based on them it’s easy to see how men compartmentalize themselves into various sub-tribes. Whether it’s team sports (almost always a male-oriented endeavor), cooperative enterprises, cooperative forms of art (rock bands have almost always been male space) or just hobbies men share, it is a natural progression for men to form sub-tribes within the larger whole of conventional masculinity.

Because of men’s’ outward reaching approach to interacting with the world around him, there’s really no unitary male tribe in the same fashion that the collective ‘Sisterhood’ of women represents. One of the primary strengths of the Feminine Imperative has been its unitary tribalism among women. We can see this evidenced in how saturated the Feminine Imperative has become into mainstream society and how it’s embedded itself into what would otherwise be diametrically opposed factions among women. Political, socioeconomic and religious affiliations of women (various sub-tribes) all become secondary to the interests of ‘womankind’ when embracing the collective benefits of being women and leveraging both their victim and protected statuses.

Thus, we see no cognitive dissonance when women simultaneously embrace a hostile opposition to one faction while still retaining the benefits that faction might offer to the larger whole of the Sisterhood. The Sisterhood is unitary first and then it is broken down into sub-tribes. Family, work, interests, political / religious compartmentalizations become sublimated to fostering the collective benefits of womankind.

While I can speculatively understand the socio-evolutionary underpinnings of how this psychological dynamic came to be, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out just how effective this unitary collectiveness has been in shaping society towards a social ideal that supports an unfettered drive towards women’s gender-coded need to optimize Hypergamy. This unitary, gender-primary tribalism has been (and is) the key to women’s unilateral social power – and even in social environments where women still suffer oppression, the Sisterhood will exercise this gender-tribalism.

Threat Assessments

Asserting any semblance of a unitary male tribalism is a direct threat to the Feminine Imperative. In The Threat I began the essay with this summation:

Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value to women.

When I wrote this essay I did so from the perspective of women feeling vulnerable about interacting intimately with men who understood their own value to women and also understood how to leverage it. One of the reasons Game is so vilified, ridiculed and disqualified by the Sisterhood is because it puts this understanding into practice with women and, in theory, removes women from the optimization of Hypergamy. Red Pill awareness and Game lessens women’s control in that equation, which is sexy from the standpoint of dealing with a self-aware high SMV man, but also threatening from the perspective that her security depends on him acquiescing to her Frame and control.

Up to this point, Game has represented an individualized threat to women’s Hypergamous control, but there has always been a larger majority of men (Betas) who’ve been easily kept ignorant of their true potential for control. However, on a larger social landscape, the Feminine Imperative understands the risks involved in men forming a unitary tribe – a Brotherhood – based solely on benefitting and empowering men. The manosphere, while still effectively a collection of sub-tribes, represents a threat to the imperative because its base purpose is making men aware of their true state in a feminine-centric social order.

As such, any attempt to create male-specific, male-empowering organizations is made socially synonymous with either misogyny (hate) or homosexuality (shame). Ironically, the shame associated with homosexuality that a fem-centric society would otherwise rail against becomes an effective form of intra-gender shame when it’s applied to heterosexual collectives of men. Even suggestions of male-centered tribalism are attached with homosexual suspicions, and these come from within the collectives of men themselves.

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The above picture is from an “academic” conference (class?) Mediated Feminisms: Activism and Resistance to Gender and Sexual Violence in the Digital Age held at UCL in London. There’s quite a bit more to this than just collecting and codifying the sub-tribes of the manosphere, more can be found here.

Now, granted, this conference is replete with all of the uninformed (not to mention willful ignorance) concern to be expected of contemporary feminists, but this does serve as a current example of how men organizing for the exclusive benefit of men is not just equated with misogyny, but potential violence. As a unitary collective of men, the manosphere terrifies the Feminine Imperative. That fear, however, doesn’t stem from any real prospective violence, but the potential for a larger ‘awareness’ in men of their own conditions and the roles they are expected to play to perpetuate a feminine-centric social order. They fear to lose the control that the ‘socially responsible’ ignorance of men provides them with.

Men’s predisposition to form sub-tribes and intrasexual competition (“lets you and him fight”) has always been a means of covert control by women, but even still the Feminine Imperative must insert its influence and oversight into those male spaces to make use of  them. Thus, by assuring that feminine primacy is equated with the idea of inclusive equalism, all Male Space is effectively required to be “unisex space” while all-female sub-tribes must remain exclusively female. For an easy example of this, compare and contrast the reactions to Harvard’s unisex institution of campus club equalism to the worldwide reactions to, and preemption of, the “Tribe” meetings only attempted to be organized by Return of Kings in February.

Making Men

By controlling men’s intrasex communications with each other the Feminine Imperative can limit men’s unified, collective, understanding of masculinity and male experiences. Feminine-primary society hates and is terrified of men defining and asserting masculinity for themselves (to the point of typifying it as potentially violent), but as connectivity progresses we will see a more concentrated effort to lock down the narrative and the means of men communicating male experiences.

I’ve detailed in many prior posts how the imperative has deliberately misdirected and confused men about a unified definition of masculinity. That confusion is designed to keep men guessing and doubting about their “security in their manhood” while asserting that the feminine-correct definition is the only legitimate definition of healthy, ‘non-toxic’, masculinity. This deliberate obfuscation and ambiguity about what amounts to ‘authentic masculinity’ is another means of controlling men’s awareness of their true masculine potential and value – a potential that they rightly fear will mean acquiescing to men’s power over their Hypergamous social and personal control. Anything less than a definition of masculinity that fosters female primacy and fempowerment is labeled “toxic masculinity” – literally and figuratively poisonous.

This is the real, operative reason behind the obsessive, often self-contradicting, need for control of male space by the Feminine Imperative. Oversight and infiltration of male sub-tribes and instituting a culture of self-policing of the narrative within those sub-tribes maintains a feminine-primary social order.

Building Better Betas

Since the time in which western(izing) societies shifted to unfettering Hypergamy on a social scale there has been various efforts to demasculinize – if not outright feminize – the larger majority of men. Today we’re seeing the results of, and still persistent efforts of this in much starker contrast as transgenderism and the social embrace of foisting gender-loathing on boys becomes institutionalized. A deliberate promotion of a social constructivist narrative about gender identity and the very early age at which children can “choose” a gender for themselves is beginning to be more and more reinforced in our present feminine-primary social order.

As a result of this, and likely into our near future, today’s men are conditioned to feel uncomfortable being “men”. That discomfort is a direct result of the ambiguity and misguidance about conventional masculinity the imperative has fostered in men when they were boys. This feminization creates a gender loathing, but that loathing comes as the result of an internal conflict between the feminine-correct “non-toxic” understanding of what masculinity ought to be and the conventional aspects of masculinity that men need to express as a result of their biology and birthright.

Effectively, this confusion has the purpose of creating discomfort in men among all-male sub-tribes. These masculine-confused men have difficulty with intersocial communication within the sub-tribes they’re supposed to have some sort of kin or in-group affiliation with.  Even the concept of “male bonding” has become a point of ridicule (something typical of male buffoons) or suspiciously homosexual , so, combined with the feminine identification most of these men default to, today’s “mangina” typically has more female friends and feels more comfortable communicating as women communicate. These men have been effectively conditioned to believe or feel that male interaction or organization is inherently wrong, uncomfortable or contrived, possibly even threatening if the organizing requires physical effort. Consequently, interacting as a male becomes ridiculous or superficial.

Pushing Back

What then is to be done about this conditioning? For all the efforts to destroy or regulate male tribalism, the Feminine Imperative still runs up against men’s evolved predispositions to interact with the outside world instead of fixating on the inside world of women. Below I’ve pieced together some actionable ideas that might help men come to a better, unitary way of fostering the male tribalism the Feminine Imperative would see destroyed or used as a tool of soci0-sexual control:

  • While it is vitally important to maintain a male-specific mental point of origin, together men need a center point of action. Women talk, men do. Men need a common purpose in which the tribe can focus its efforts on. Men need to build, coordinate, win, compete and problem solve amongst themselves. The ‘purpose’ of a tribe can’t simply be one of getting together as like-minded men; in fact, groups with such a declared purpose are often designed to be the most conciliatory and accommodating of the Feminine Imperative. Men require a common, passionate purpose to unite for.

 

  • Understand and accept that men will naturally form male hierarchies in virtually every context if that tribe is truly male-exclusive. There will be a reflexive resistance to this, but understand that the discomfort in acknowledging male hierarchies stems from the Feminine Imperative’s want to make any male authority a toxic form of masculinity. Contrary to feminine conditioning male hierarchies are not necessarily based on Dark Triad manipulations. That is the ‘fem-think’ – any male created hierarchy of authority is by definition evil Patriarchy.

 

  • Recognize existing male sub-tribes for what they are, but do so without labeling them as such. Don’t talk about Fight Club, do Fight Club. As with most other aspects of Red Pill aware Game, it is always better to demonstrate rather than explicate. There will always be an observer effect in place when you call a male group a “male group”. That tribe must exist for a passionate reason other than the express idea that it exists to be about men meeting up. Every sub-tribe I belong to, every collective interest I share with other men, even the instantly forming ones that arise from an immediate common need or function, all exist apart from “being” about men coming together.Worldwide “tribe” day failed much for the same reasons an organization like the Good Men Project fails – they are publicized as a gathering of men just “being” men.

 

  • Push back on the invasion of male space by being uncompromising in what you do and organize with passion. Make no concessions for women in any all-male space you create or join. There will always be a want to accommodate women and/or the fears of not being accommodating of feminine-primary mindsets within that all-male purview. Often this will come in subtle forms of anonymous White Knighting or reservations about a particular passion due to other men’s Blue Pill conditioning to always consider the feminine before considerations of themselves or the tribe. It is vitally important to the tribe to quash those sympathies and compromising attitudes as these are exactly the designs of the Feminine Imperative to destroy a tribe from within.Make no concessions for competency of women within the tribe if you find yourself in a unisex tribal situation. Even the U.S. military is guilty of reducing combat service requirements for women as recently as this month. If you are a father or you find yourself in a role of mentoring boys or young men it is imperative that you instill this no-compromise attitude in them and the organizations that they create themselves.

 

  • The primary Red Pill / Game tenets that you’ve learned with respect to women are entirely applicable in a larger scope when it comes to resisting the influences of the Feminine Imperative. Frame and a return to a collectively male-exclusive Mental Point of Origin are two of the primary tenets to apply to non-intimate applications of resistance in terms of aspects of society. Observations and the Red Pill Lens should inform your interactions with women and men on a social scale.

 

Finally, I want to close by restating that my approach to resisting the influences of the Feminine Imperative on a meta-social scale is the same bottom-up approach I used with unplugging men from their Blue Pill doldrums. Once men have taken the first steps in Red Pill awareness this new perspective has a tendency to expound into greater social understandings and a want for applications beyond hooking up with desirable women. That Red Pill awareness becomes a way of life, but moreover, it should inform us as men, as tribes, about how best to maintain ourselves as masculine-primary individuals and organizations.

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YaReally
5 years ago

@Blaximus “Women pretty much have a herd mentality. Lol, I’ve spent the bulk of my life surrounded by them from birth.” Agreed. Like I say, women ping off their environment. What you feel, she feels. Strongest frame wins. etc etc “Social conditioning has it’s effect on people, but there is sometimes a deeper programming that drives behavior.” Agreed. Social conditioning says “muscles mean the guy is more likely to have the ACTUAL attractive diamond core traits that are attractive 100% of the time”, but their hard-wiring says “that skinny Russell Brand guy over there, when he dominates the room, is… Read more »

quixotic
quixotic
5 years ago

@Forge

Something boring so you can make out instead 🙂

quixotic
quixotic
5 years ago

@Forge Also “good girl responsible type” – have you read My Secret Garden? It will change this mindset. She has filthy fantasies like the rest of us. She is a good girl to the outside world. But trust she doesn’t want to go to her grave feeling like she missed out on life’s sexual buffet. Make her feel like you dont judge her and you will see that ‘lady in streets freak in the sheets’ is a real thing. And report back if u start banging her. She prolly likes to have her hair pulled and call you daddy. They… Read more »

SJB
SJB
5 years ago

@Rollo: Your article plus thedeti’s gloss: golden.
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My anecdote: I have more than a handful of sisters; my fiancé broke down crying, at one point, “how can I every live up to them?” Of course, being a good plow horse, I failed the shit test.
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Hypothesis: a woman will attempt – and probably succeed – at isolating a man from whomever she perceives as a member of his tribe. Well, the weight of evidence is tipping the hypothesis toward “no shit Sherlock” (to use sciencey technical terms).
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Cheers!

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Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Yareally

“Looks arent 100% attractive”

And yet we have the IOI, and the puzzling “free” IOI… And RAS drifting back to better looking guys in set unless something is done…

Curious behavior indeed.

Nothing qualitative is 100p. Especially a bromide. In other words we all strike out. Julien, Tyler etc.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Blax,
Tribalism exists in EVERY country, be it third world countries or first world(elite / conditioning the stupid in : yes we can)
The article was making fun of Obama’s double standard about tribalism.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

I’ve known and talked at length with Tajik’s regarding Pashtuns, and more recently the Hausa/Fulani and Igbo. America has nothing like that kind of tribalism. Now, we maybe would revert to such, if the government were to collapse, but American’s don’t really have to deal with the type of tribalism that’s currently practiced in other parts of the world where the gov’t is absent/corrupt. We don’t have an equivalent of Boko Haram running around in the Colorado Mountains or the Everglades. The article, like most of that ilk, was shit. Smoke and mirror shit. Obama should answer why he didn’t… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

…. along with LGBT bathroom habits

Lucien
Lucien
5 years ago

Can we talk about how Game of Thrones has degenerated into feminist pablum?

titanic
5 years ago

Haha … GoT has passed the same point Lost did where every plot movement relies on magic and coincidence. I suppose the feminism is to be expected where there is no other clear sense of direction.

titanic
5 years ago

Since Sansa is now leading Jon Snowe, it looks like the only plot line that is led by a male is that of Ramsay Bolton, and of course he’s a sadist.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Forge

“I suppose the real answer is ‘anything I want to watch’ lol.”

I hope the real answer is you really don’t want to watch anything. Movie is not the mission and all.

Good luck!

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Can we talk about how Game of Thrones has degenerated into feminist pablum?”

Reminds me of when Fonzi jumped the shark instead of have a cool persona of a motorcycle rider in 1977.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Excellent phrasing and re-framing Rollo. @ 9:36 AM “Women talk, men do. This is a real problem for the vast majority of Blue Pill Beta men. They’re conditioned to feel uncomfortable ‘being’ men, socializing with men and communicating as men. The risk of being perceived as ‘toxic’ for behaving and thinking like a ‘typical’ man is a real fear for them.” In retrospect, my prior guy only pursuits allowed me and my tribes to be comfortable doing the masculine and socializing and communication as men. And that tribal doing spilled over into masculine self improvement. The tribal meritocracy of getting… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Sentient “And yet we have the IOI, and the puzzling “free” IOI… And RAS drifting back to better looking guys in set unless something is done…” http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#complexity Appeal to Complexity. You’re being deliberately obtuse. Those situations have been explained repeatedly: IOIs happen because she’s been socially conditioned to believe that the cake (muscles) is more likely to contain sugar (high-value traits). If the guy hasn’t done anything to indicate otherwise (like demonstrate bad subcomms), then yes, her RAS will drift back to the better looking guy because at that point she assumes, based on her social conditioning, that he is… Read more »

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

@deti

The sexual directive is have sex with as many women as possible while expending as little resources as possible.

Could Rollo explain why I, and him too, having married, are having sex with only one woman while expending much of our resources as possible?

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ redlight

Lmao… c’mon man

YaReally
5 years ago

@SJF Also to quote Todd: “What I loved about the oldschool pickup days is there was this air of experimentation, everyone was trying ANYTHING, there was this idea of “everything MUST be field tested”. I field tested doing a sommersault up to a girl, standing up and opening…which is retarded, but we field tested it. We were always trying new things, always experimenting and trying to optimize every little bit. And NOTHING was too crazy to try.” And one of my favorite stories about trying stupid shit in-field at 4:00 in this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKWH8x7_oM&t=4m It’s almost impossible to go through… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
YaReally
5 years ago

“Where three of them would cite confidence as the most desirable trait, another would state she was perfectly confident herself and liked shy men as a result. Where every woman stated traits that fell into the aforementioned patterns, they would also state traits unique to them, which were equally fundamental but fell into no pattern – for example; creativity, competitiveness, persuasiveness, intellectually challenging, philosophical or, enjoys video games and / or comic books.” The reason this part happens is because girls are picturing their ideal man that’s WAY out of their league value-wise, and thinking “how would I want THAT… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

Sorry, that was to @rugby about that article

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@YaReally: “Sarging, as guys like scribblerg who’s having it shoved in your face right now can tell you, is about putting yourself through some of the most intense emotional rollercoaster rides you’ll ever go on.” I’ll say this about that: SJF Maxim #2 Game concepts and tactics are fungible (mutually interchangeable) across all relationship platforms. I’ve been putting myself through the most intense emotional roller coaster rides ever in the past three years in a set monogamous married man game life (a man in full life) with a HB8. The deck is stacked. But I never shied away from heavy… Read more »

Bachelorocles
Bachelorocles
5 years ago

Great fucking article, Rollo! Well done. As the great, revered, eminent, sacred, holy, divine Reverend Lawrence Shannon (a man who should never have to buy his own beer) suggested, wives forever endeavor to isolate their men from his friends. My experience bears this truth out. Women are very skilled at training their men to “behave” and tend to the nest like good boys. Ignoring the nest brings punishment. The ancient philosophers like Plato and Aristotle placed male friendship as integral to a good life, as something to be taken seriously, as something as rewarding and perhaps more important in life… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago
rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Can’t sleep was thinking of high leadership in tribes this picture comes to mind…
https://www.instagram.com/p/pynDLsIWkE/?taken-by=michaelbay
@Yareally
“2) Leader of men – the ability to lead other men and groups to achieve a goal”
Making a movie is leadership…

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

One thing that comes to mind reading the comments is that hot women are very good at pitting betas against alphas–a.k.a. white knighting. My crazy ex had a variety of guys chasing her. I was creating an event in my Facebook group and I notice at least 3 of her orbiters had de-friended me. How strange considering I had zero contact with these individuals in real life beyond having them scowl at me. When a girl starts telling me about her ex…in any way…I stop her. I tell her I have no interest. It’s a huge red flag. Girls want… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Rollo You got a name-drop on TL;DR’s interview with a MGTOW at 6:35 and they briefly talk about Hypergamy at 45:00: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9EYUUdBrg0&t=6m35s 32k views, TL;DR is part of the anti-feminsm crew (Sargon, Shoe, etc). Could reach a good handful of new receptive ears getting on there to discuss Hypergamy or solipsism or whatever. If you don’t do it the MGTOW and Roosh are gonna lol Seems like either the anti-feminism crew is taking an interest in MGTOW or MGTOW have decided to start coming out of their shell to engage people in discussion ’cause I’m seeing a lot more “interview… Read more »

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Hey Rollo
not red pill related but I wanted to say the few things you have mentioned about your profession has helped me understand the business side of bike rallies, which in turn has helped me deal with promoters, other vendors and to sell bikes and power plants

Lucien
Lucien
5 years ago

Haha. My point was — isn’t that show a great example of a male space being invaded by female prerogatives? In this case, it’s an imaginary space–but in that respect even more telling. It’s painful to watch now, from a red pill perspective.

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

Loosely related to the audio YaReally posted above… If someone in the Manosphere managed to grab it, I would be interested in seeing that nearly 70k of users’ data analysed by someone with a Red Pill lens. A while ago, there was already some analysis by OkCupid themselves showing age preferences of men and women, like this: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-case-for-an-older-woman/ (the data supports what Red Pill knowledge suggests: men tend to prefer younger women but women center around their own age, or maybe older). That blog then tries to present reasons for men to also consider older women, but you can skip… Read more »

blogster
blogster
5 years ago

“Just demonstrating that you’re not going to be a Provider (aka the ABSENCE of money can help more than HAVING money, ask any rich dude who’s had a girl DTF until he pulls her in his fancy car to his fancy condo and she suddenly plays the “you have to date me to get this pussy” game because she’s realized he’s a good potential Provider).” I’ve had this happen 3-4 times in the last year or so. In the city I live, I live in a very exclusive area in a very exclusive building; women visibly get excited when they… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . isn’t that show a great example of a male space being invaded by female prerogatives?”

Seeing how the pigment challenged Jesus lady was clearly the male author’s Mary Sue it’s hardly surprising. It was baked in from the start. Hugogate simply confirmed that Martin is not only blue pill, but fully absorbed into the narrative.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

Haha. My point was — isn’t that show a great example of a male space being invaded by female prerogatives? In this case, it’s an imaginary space–but in that respect even more telling. It’s painful to watch now, from a red pill perspective.

Yeah I guess I’ve always seen Martin’s stuff as being deeply feminist in many ways. That’s not all he has going on, he isn’t a one-trick pony, but it’s a part of his perspective for certain.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . he isn’t a one-trick pony . . .”

He actually wrote my favorite SF short story ever, FTA; Analog, May 1974.

SPOILER:

Much of SF relies on some sort of “hyperspace” where the limit of the speed of light does not apply to make the story universe possible. In FTA (Faster Than Ants) he tweaks the nose of that genre axiom and depicts mankind stuck in the solar system forever, because the limiting speed in hyperspace is slower than light.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Yareally

Obtuse? Girls are attracted to cake… Simple and direct statement. The underlying reason doesn’t even matter (hard wired or socially conditioned) because the net result is the same – attraction to cake.

While it may also be that they really like the sugar more than the cake, it does not erase their attraction to cake.

http://del.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/10/54f6599f1dd5f_-_recipe-chocolate-layer-cake-0110-shlilw-xl.jpg

YaReally
5 years ago

@blogster “I’ve had this happen 3-4 times in the last year or so.” lol ya, guys don’t believe me when I say this happens. It doesn’t happen to me ’cause I’m a bum, but I have rich buddies and Tyler talks about getting these guys on bootcamps all the time. TOO good a catch and whoops, they get put on the Provider slow-track ’cause the girl doesn’t want to seem like a pump & dump candidate. “In the city I live, I live in a very exclusive area in a very exclusive building; women visibly get excited when they find… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Sentient “Obtuse? Girls are attracted to cake… Simple and direct statement.” Except that they’re not. Show me the lineup of girls that wants to fuck this guy: I see muscles, so that’s a “cake”. If “girls are attracted to cake” is accurate, then girls are getting soaking wet for this dude. But they aren’t. So “girls are SOMETIMES attracted to cake, and sometimes NOT attracted” is more accurate. And when you don’t have a consistent result, you have to drill deeper to find the consistent rule. “The underlying reason doesn’t even matter (hard wired or socially conditioned) because the net… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“While it may also be that they really like the sugar more than the cake, it does not erase their attraction to cake.” and some girls like to get their sugar from free-run tokaji essencia like the czars used to drink. but most people have no fucking clue what that even is because most people shove their grocery holes with whatever they find in the end case of a store because most people are simple claiming to be a thrill of the hunt guy does not make it so claim: girls do not have a magical sense for picking out… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Sentient left one for you in the last section…so it wouldn’t mess with the new topic… but since this ‘looks matter’ subject doesn’t seem to be resolving…lol… i was going to leave this alone til i got my mojo back (since the whole controversy messed with my frame…lol)…but maybe this can help settle it (since Rollo has implied that the ‘good looks’ = attraction serve some evo benefit/purpose…and they do…lol…but it’s not that muscles are always sexy = better genetic fitness…) starting from a girl’s hindbrain pov (ie firmware…), everything she does is in ‘service of the egg’ = hypergamy…she… Read more »

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

Genuine question: are girls really not attracted to flamboyant gay dudes, or they are but know they have no chance because he is gay? The example above is even a conventionally masculine body, it is just the clothing and and hair style that are not. Also note that some of you have written yourselves that some of these flamboyant gay dudes have *rock hard frames*. Strong frames are also attractive to women. Going back to the book of Pook example brought up by Rollo on the previous thread, Pook wrote that as he attained higher SMV, the lower SMV women… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

““Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women.”
Presumably they are still attracted (even more so) but perceive him as unattainable.”

as your SMV climbs, ugly/fat women will not despise you. not at all. they will do what you ask and go out of their way to please you

they will not hit on you. they will go out of their way to make your day easier though.

as ugly/fat women are everywhere these days, it’s nice to have them on your side without having to worry about deflecting iois. it’s a good setup.

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

@blogster

You are just a house sitter (condo sitter) who does it since you can’t afford to rent anything decent yourself. You signed a non-disclosure agreement so you can’t reveal who lives there when they are not off filming or touring. Buy a small safe where you can put your wallet, primary cell, photos, untampered condoms etc. away during their sleep overs.

Do not wear expensive watches, designer suits/shoes, and do use uber to get around. With your secondary cell (YaReally) set up a bogus FB profile and use it for all social media hookup activity.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“17 year olds are not even on the menu. unless of course, you’re selected by some magical woowoo sense to get a seat at the table at the restaurant that’s not open to the public.” Don’t hate me because I’m connected. Now and then they’ll even let me take a bottle home, without even brown bagging it first. “girls that frequent night clubs/bars/etc are the most valuable and therefore represent the target to which men should calibrate” Once you’ve been to the private restaurant you’ll never be able to tolerate a club again. Beware the tourist scam fake private restaurant.… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“They serve boxed Niagra in used Aszú bottles.”

“canada juice tastes like hungary juice”

– said no one, ever.

I love women. we make the juice, but they taste more dimension. we make the orgasms, but they experience greater depth.

amazing world we live in

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

and on the topic of men actually doing awesome shit with video proof:

Thor’s record tetris level 30 max out game is on youtube

when he plays through the knocking on the door: chills.

and remember, that’s the SECOND time he did it

NaughtyBurrito
NaughtyBurrito
5 years ago

@blogster @yareally I think a much easier solution is to just disqualify yourself by saying, “this is my friend’s place, he’s out of town and I’m crashing here for the week/weekend’, or “Hey, this is my buddy’s place he’s never in town and he’s renting it out to me super cheap.” Then just patch it up later if it becomes an issue “It’s actually my place, I’ve had crazy exes so I had to trust you first, etc.” No reason to rent out hotels or studios if you can just make her think you’re a bum that just happens to… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@fleezer You are my favorite poster ever lol I’ve had some <20s and popped a few cherries and wasn't impressed. Was the same as fucking the hideous old hag 20-25yos except they didn't know how to fuck well and got clingy as fuck after lol But I don't have the same mystical woo-woo guys like you have for it. "THE TREASURED HOLY VIRGIN VAGINA!!!! IT GLOWS WITH ITS MYSTICAL POWERS!!!" lol No idea wtf you're talking about with Thrill of the Hunt and sugar. Have you been following the conversation? We're talking about women seeking men not men seeking women.… Read more »

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

@Fleezer:
Not on NES but certainly faster…

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Man, I suspect it is a reality distortion field or something.

“Show any girl you know a dozen [pictures] of him”

If you change vids to pics you think the girls won’t be looking at him? he won’t get the “free” IOI?

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Fleezer didn’t eat his microgreens today…

scray
scray
5 years ago

@fleezer “, free run tokaji is better than cake and 17 is better than 23. in the free market this is evidenced first by availibility and then by cost.” how is 17 better? women reach peak fertility in their mid 20’s that’s the number one biological concern — will she conceive if i fuck her? @sentient “The underlying reason doesn’t even matter (hard wired or socially conditioned) because the net result is the same – attraction to cake.” the underlying poss bio reason = desire for social status social conditioning = defines what traits confer social status it is very… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Another thread ruined by Yareally.
Ps,
How come we don’t see any infield videos where Tyler or Julien get rejected? (or you, Ya)

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

YaReally recently linked a video of Julien getting rejected and even reacting badly to it, and Julien dissecting it saying that it was clearly because he was in a state of “Taking value” rather than giving value (or not caring about it).

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

I’d love to see a video where Tyler goes to a bad ass biker bar and try to hit on their women lol.
He’ll take a real valued punch.

Harrison Bergeron
5 years ago

I’d love to see a comment where Keyzer goes into a thread and try to contribute to a discussion.

He’s always taking value.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scray

“the underlying poss bio reason = desire for social status”

You meant “an” underlying possible bio reason, not “the”. “An”other is simply health.

You know what is healthy when you look at it. It is an ingrained bio trait. You have actual physical responses to good things and bad things.

http://www.intelligentdental.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/oral-herpes.jpg

One type of response

http://hotto.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/High-Shine-Lip-Gloss-480.png

Another type of response.

Symmetry is a good measure for healthy bodies/genes. Most athletes are very symmetrical.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@sentient

“You meant “an” underlying possible bio reason, not “the”. “An”other is simply health.”

nah i mean wat i said.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Yareally This is why the logical inconsistency is frustrating: “This is why I say get back to cold approach. All those guys on Tinder are putting up their best pics that half the time don’t even represent their actual life/value, and their subcomms can’t kill them off until a few messages in or even the first meetup etc If you’re a jacked tall white dude, go ahead and clean up on Tinder. But if you fall outside of that external checklist then fuck it, grab yourself some Mystery Method, PIMP, SHIFT, Krauser, whatever, and get the fuck out there. Separate… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scray – well the record is corrected for other guys in any case.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@sentient ” well the record is corrected for other guys in any case.” you didn’t correct anything. you just asserted a lot of other stuff about the vague trait of ‘health.’ and then you posted two pics that don’t reflect differing levels of health, even in the sense that you mean them. a scab != bad health just like lipstick != health “he starts with near instant free IOI’s that he can then offset with bad subcomms [no one says subcomms are fake] or amplify with good subcomms. But the “free IOI” is still attraction in the moment. The question… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

HABD Trying to get to your very thoughtful responses… Here on this thread, I generally agree with you up to this point [if we can put aside the chicken and egg on social vs bio for the moment, although the “flat head” demonstrations and similar always seem to be outliers and very primitive cultures] (1) “(@Rollo – i think this is where you are conflating the ‘muscles = higher genetic fitness’ idea…bc certainly in times before machines, muscles were a huge advantage in survival…and there certainly might be some kind of residual preference for that (although if THAT were true,… Read more »

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

Did you see Ellison’s comments on Friday But as hard as he tried, Ellison said, he couldn’t force himself to study something that didn’t interest him, and after a few difficult years of being an unhappy premed student, he decided to drop out of college and move to California. “At the time I thought I lacked discipline and that I was selfish,” Ellison said. “Maybe so. But whatever the underlying reasons, I was unable to make myself into the person that I thought I should be. So I decided to stop trying.” After moving to California, Ellison became an environmentalist… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scray

If you are saying you have never said “eeeeewww!”, then there really is no point in continuing any debate here.

“even i’ve said that things like being fit and whatever make a difference — i ought to know.”

Exactly the point I have been making!

scray
scray
5 years ago

@sentient

“If you are saying you have never said “eeeeewww!”, then there really is no point in continuing any debate here.”

saying ‘eww’ != auto-genetic health detecting mechanism

‘Exactly the point I have been making!’

if the point you’re making is that looks can make a difference THEN ELL-O-FREAKING-ELL

ya I agree. we all agree. PUAs agree.

but we’re just talking about WHY they make a difference. no one is saying they don’t make a difference

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“chicken and egg”

Egg, by hundreds of millions of years.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@rollo “but it still doesn’t answer the question why some sub-coms are interpreted as Alpha and attractive while others are considered Beta and unattractive.” okay, now we’re getting somewhere. the behavioral stuff is interesting. and I don’t think there’s a one-size-fits-all answer. I’m a big believer in circumstance — i.e. situational ‘alpha’ ness playing a big role in your success, along with your own personal behaviors. generally, it seems like -winning- (and the PERCEPTION of winning) spurs T. people who win make T, and people who make a lot of T act like superman —- very content with themselves and… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Well I’d say that went pretty well. LR Recap: a girl from extended social circles I met, day 2’d, failed to escalate but she seemed to have a high IL, we kept missing each other’s signals to arrange a meetup at my place. Finally managed to set up something this past weekend; she could come to my place and I’d teach her to make cocktails. It turns out, in retrospect, that a lot of the resistance I was running into was her wondering if I wanted to date her/ have a relationship rather than have a more casual thing. And… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Women menstrual cycle is NOT social conditioning.
When ovulating women get Tingles out of MUSCULAR, DOMINANANT men(unless he’s wearing a thong), is NOT Social conditioning. It’s not an egg or chicken. It’s wired in women’s brain.
The boner test is not social conditioning either. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2552682/Why-women-attracted-men-wide-faces-dont-tend-husband-material.html

MikePhil
MikePhil
5 years ago

My male friends, while few in number, are the kind of guys you want in your corner. We’ve been through a lot over the years, and those bonds aren’t to be taken lightly. I’m always learning from them and vice versa. Male and female friendships seem to operate entirely differently; we have less talk and more tangibles at the end (literally and figuratively). By helping a friends move, or brew beer or build a brick fire pit, you gain knowledge that’s more than the task at hand. Cooperation, knowing when to lead or when to take 2nd place, seeing new… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“Well I’d say that went pretty well.
LR”

http://rs123.pbsrc.com/albums/o319/shoeser/chuck.gif~c200

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scray

“ya I agree. we all agree. PUAs agree.
but we’re just talking about WHY they make a difference. no one is saying they don’t make a difference”

And the trouble with this whole issue is they agree until they don’t and then “looks don’t matter”…

https://therationalmale.com/2016/05/06/good-girls-bad-girls/comment-page-6/#comment-155653

I agreed way back here with the YaReally Exiges statement, with the inclusion of “may be” to overcome the cognitive bias in the conclusion.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Forge

“Like, I got that girls have a strong sexual nature, but I didn’t expect her to just already have a few FWB’s and to see me as being a good potential candidate for another if only she could be sure I wouldn’t get clingy and cause drama”

This is solid gold. replay all your interactions with her via this new frame and learn what you missed. Really focusing on YOUR bias and projection will greatly accelerate your development.

and then when you get to this “good girl” bit, go back over and do it again!

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

“We can debate all day about how social conditioning prompts learned attraction cues, but there are still universal underpinnings as to why communicating a potential for them are attractive.

Good sub-coms are based on something that appeals to a commonly evolved root level attraction in women. ”

This. No one is denying the importance of game but you have to accept certain universal truths about biological attraction triggers.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago
Andy
Andy
5 years ago

lol, thx

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

For Fleezer – A sweet Hungarian wine, aged to perfection:

http://content.missuniverse.com/media/photos/galleries/photographer_uploaded_1_39_3_1382997170_2013.jpg

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

@yareally “This is why I say get back to cold approach. All those guys on Tinder are putting up their best pics that half the time don’t even represent their actual life/value, and their subcomms can’t kill them off until a few messages in or even the first meetup etc If you’re a jacked tall white dude, go ahead and clean up on Tinder. But if you fall outside of that external checklist then fuck it, grab yourself some Mystery Method, PIMP, SHIFT, Krauser, whatever, and get the fuck out there. Separate yourself from the herd…” lol sounding incongruent af… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Forge

+1 on Andy/Blax…

and props on the LR…

good luck!

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Looks matter.

Game Matters.

Sorry, I have no studies to back this up.

All I have is real life experience….which has gotta be worth something, right? Lol.

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

So basically we need to clarify some shit:

1. Do masculine physical traits like muscularity and facial symmetry cause attraction (numerous studies on this), or is it social conditioning?

2. Why are certain sub comms attraction triggers and others are not?

Need to end this debate

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

@Blaximus

“Looks matter.

Game Matters.

Sorry, I have no studies to back this up.

All I have is real life experience….which has gotta be worth something, right? Lol.”

Pretty much lol

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

Looks and a bunch of other stuff matter (such as did you recently get STD tested)

Game is a critical success factor

Jed Mask
5 years ago

Amen… Lord Jesus Christ is the Way from here… Amen.

~ Sincerely,

Bro. Jed

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

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rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
Reply to  kfg

@kfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaNkFvJyNnQ Went to see Blake’s family and don’t say a word. I felt horrible. I felt that I let him down. His family has a military background. Everyone was in a state of profound sadness. Man that Blake could tackle so low… I miss getting plummeted by him. He looked like Matt Damon. I still don’t know what lead him to pull the trigger. Going back tommorow with more a better attitude and attire. I don’t know what to do with this constant heartache of death. Alexander the Great once came across a man in India who was naked… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Circling back to the OP, in some Christian churches the leadership is all men and there will be other men tasked with helping jobs – fixing up the building, taking care of church members with money problems, etc. Work days when a group of men take out all the weeds and undergrowth, or repair plumbing, work over a roof, etc. They also are supposed to mentor other men. Which ain’t really happening as it oughta, and that’s why the churches increasingly are Beta factories. Anyway, women are often attempting to shove their way into these parts of the organization, because… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Bromeo ” So basically we need to clarify some shit: 1. Do masculine physical traits like muscularity and facial symmetry cause attraction (numerous studies on this), or is it social conditioning? 2. Why are certain sub comms attraction triggers and others are not? Need to end this debate” Lol, You know, I have been giving this waaayyy too much thought lately and I am having a hard time coming to a real conclusion. I went and looked at a bunch of studies talking about facial symmetry and all of that, and I can see what the studies point to,… Read more »

quixotic
quixotic
5 years ago

@Forge Attaboy! You got me smiling ear to ear reading your LR “I found that finally I could just sort of be curious about a girl’s sexual life/history without it being a weird jealous thing.” Welcome to the big show. Massive props Forge this is hard for a lot of guys to get past. “She more or less came out and told me then that she had been worried before that I wanted to date her so she’d been holding back a bit so as to not give me false expectations. Kinda like I’d been doing, lol.” This is a… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@Quixotic – not finished reading this thread yet but just to say – really good festival FR – doesn’t matter you weren’t trying to pull – same skillset. Particularly the angry Southern guy. I was trying to do similar stuff at the conference with some limited success (different vibe) but I have had this stuff happen to me occasionally (had an Uber driver tell me all about his divorce and how he cheated on his wife etc a few months ago when he took me to drop some girl off after making out with her in the backseat and I… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Sentient Here on this thread, I generally agree with you up to this point [if we can put aside the chicken and egg on social vs bio for the moment, although the “flat head” demonstrations and similar always seem to be outliers and very primitive cultures] if we are going to come up with the unified theory of ‘pussy’ (lol), we HAVE to account for ALL situs…bc you are right… Either AWALT or NAWALT right? so, those ‘outlier’ cultures have to be explained by the same theory (bc the firmware is the same)… and i will point out that the… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Rugby11

“I felt that I let him down. ”

you didn’t…

“Going back tommorow with more a better attitude and attire. I don’t know what to do with this constant heartache of death.”

try sharing it… and supporting the other people affected by it…

good luck!

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Culum

” I banged my first 7.5/8s (depending on harshness of ranking – one 19, one 20, one 21) last year ”

still got those numbers?…lol

good luck!

quixotic
quixotic
5 years ago

Reading through comments there is a gulf in males forming tribes that i see for 2 groups of men: Young guys with little social experience and older/married guys. I was looking for more resources on the topic of rollo’s post and found this on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/comments/4js5v3/lpt_how_to_make_friends_as_an_adult_within_the/ The comments are an interesting read, you can see some people get it and others are very negative, self-defeating, “poor me” mopey whiners, etc. This user had a pretty good list, i will repost – i did not write this: I’d like to add some additional tips, as a person who has lived in… Read more »

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

@Culum I’ve completely stopped Dumpster Diving…All the girls I’m banging now are 30 or younger and at least a 7 by any standard. It’s important at the start to just go for it…and any reasonable looking girl will help with your confidence. But the problem is if you’re not upping your game, you’re just going for low hanging fruit and you get lazy convincing yourself near enough is good enough…and your standards don’t improve….then you settle for one girl because well…she’s nice and …why not. I’m finding that I’m with girls who get that I’m banging other girls, they just… Read more »

quixotic
quixotic
5 years ago

@Culum Thanks for the feedback brother I agree hookers are not good lol. But I pass no moral judgment on any man for using them; its the “worlds oldest profession” for a reason Also the audience on rational male covers all types of men, including MGTOW guys who may choose to use hookers. I am not MGTOW but I understand that they may want to try pickup and anything that encourages growth and challenging your ego is a step forward in my book. Yes, your conference FRs were very interesting to me for the same reason! Whether male or female… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Rollo ( sick and all..) said- ” The next question is then, what is it about a guy’s appearance that leads a woman to expect what his mindset and sub-coms will be? Scray will say it’s all about what her social conditioning has taught her to expect, and from a culturally contextual perspective I’m on board with that, but it still doesn’t answer the question why some sub-coms are interpreted as Alpha and attractive while others are considered Beta and unattractive. Even in specific cultural instances, good sub-coms are still good sub-coms because they convey something that is attractive. My… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Tribes. Something else this discussion has given me pause to think about a lot. In reality, I don’t have any clue what kind of man I’d be if not for the various tribes I’ve been a part of growing up, and even to this very day. It’s always been other males that have added to my life in a multitude of ways. They have helped me even when I resisted or did not fully understand. My grandfather ( paternal ) told me the story of how, when I was a week old, his father/my great grandfather commanded him to ”… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
5 years ago

@culum @forge @quixotic @yareally @other FR guys I went back out recently. I had stopped since I had a bad night out a while back. I was trying to do too much to fast, and got burned out. I was focused on trying to have a lot of opportunities to game, but given my location, its unrealistic to expect that. So instead I have been just trying to go out to get the momentum. Go to one venue, hang out for a half hour or so. If nothing happens, oh well, still went out. First day went out to one… Read more »

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