Non-Exclusive Exclusives
I got a link back this week from another backwater blogger who was critical of my, or really a Red Pill, take on an abundance vs. scarcity mentality. I haven’t really felt a need to review Plate Theory for a while now, but ever since Holistic Game’s coffee house protests went down it seems that picking and pulling various bits from my Plate Theory series is some novelty.
I’ve been writing in the manosphere for so long now that the same predictable straw men arguments and out of context quotes have become de rigueur now. Any objective observation of women’s sexual strategy by a man is always synonymous with misogyny.
What I’ve always found entertaining about Blue Pill critics of Plate Theory is that the concept of non-exclusivity always borders on the criminal when a man suggests men ought to pursue a non-exclusive dating (and sex), yet we hold women up as empowered, prudent and/or exemplary of bucking the repression of an imaginary patriarchy when they suggest the same.
Of course the quick retort to this is that women are ‘slut shamed’ for being non-exclusive, but this is simply an old, convenient, sidestep to shame men while distracting from women’s practical sexual strategy.
As Open Hypergamy becomes more embraced among women the usefulness of drawing attention to ‘slut shaming’ actually becomes a hinderance to justifying women’s Hypergamous priorities (AFBB). When a high profile woman like Sheryl Sandberg suggests,…
“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”
Sandberg’s epitaph here is every bit as “objectifying” as anything you’ll find in the ‘sphere, but the difference is we are expected to find her advice for assuming a state of sexual abundance practical as well as refreshingly progressive. I’ve stated this before, but it bears repeating that as women more proudly, openly, embrace the uglier aspects of Hypergamy it will be women who will prove the validity of Red Pill awareness far better than men could. Sample from the largest available pool of prospective sexual experience (Alpha Fucks) and presume that an ‘equal partner’ (Beta Bucks) provisioner will make himself readily available to you when can no longer reliably attract the men who represent your sexual priorities.
I covered this in Plate Theory V: Lady’s Game; the natural extension of women’s sexual strategy is, at least practically, best served from a presumption of abundance. And as such we also find that the vast majority of feminine-primary social conventions center on facilitating this presumption of abundance for women. Pop culture, social media and a feminine-primary social narrative fosters an over-inflated SMV and an exaggerated sense of self-worth for women, but functionally it convinces women that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance with regard to their sexual viability almost indefinitely.
Even in a condition of committed monogamy that background sense of sexual abundance simmers in women’s subconscious. We laud women with the guts to pursue that abundance after divorce or even reward them with popularity and movie opportunities when they write books about pursuing it while married. Either that or we pat them on the back for their ability to continually move the goalposts and convince themselves and others that spinsterhood is a goal state they sought to achieve their entire lives.
In all of these instances, whether legitimate or not, there is an impression that women can perpetuate a condition of abundance for themselves – and often far past their true sexual market viability. One reason I draw the ire of many a Blue Pill male and women is because my breakdown of the predictable schedule women follow throughout their lives with regards to their SMV and their dualistic sexual strategy is that it directly confronts the doubt that they can perpetuate a condition of abundance in spite of their personal choices in life.
And that’s the crux of women’s self-affirming social and psychological conventions; to avoid any accountability for the fallout that may be caused by the choices Hypergamy has led them to make. Roissy came up with the maxim that the end goal of feminism is to maximally enable women’s sexuality while maximally restricting men’s – and of course the consolidation of that enabling of women’s sexual strategy must also account for absolving them of misgivings and mistakes made in enacting it.
Failsafes
In Betas in Waiting I explored how a majority of boys have, for several generations now, been conditioned to be serviceable providers for women once they enter a phase of life when they find themselves becoming less able to compete intrasexually. Anyone familiar with Preventive Medicine understands this (Epiphany Phase) period as the point during which a woman’s Hypergamous priorities shift from short term Alpha Fucks to long term Beta Bucks.
I also outlined the underlying plan involved in ensuring this strategy in This is now.
That was then. Now at 30 and (hopefully) with a learned and earned degree of merit, success, developed judgement, character and a reasonably well kept physique, a man finds himself in a position like no other – his options and agency to enjoy the attentions of women seem to suddenly be at an apex.
The planning women had at 19 when they told him to “wait for me at 30” now becomes more urgent as she becomes more viscerally aware of the Wall.
She knew this day would come when she was just entering into her peak SMV years.
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For men entertaining women embroiled in their Epiphany Phase inner conflicts, not only is this a very confusing phase for the uninitiated Beta, but it is also an equally precarious period with regard (once again) to the consequences of his life’s decisions with her. Most men find themselves players in women’s meta-sexual strategy at this time because they believe that their perseverance has finally paid off. All of that sacrifice and personal achievement has finally merited him the genuine interest of a “quality woman”.
For the men who never learn a Red Pill awareness what they fail to understand is that it’s at this point they’re are expected to abandon their own sexual strategy in order to complete that of the (now Epiphany Phase) woman they’re considering a pairing with. Whether they were literally asked to wait for a woman until she was 30, the effect is the same, they have waited their turn, they have waited to be of service, they have waited to fulfill a feminine primary sexual imperative.
Now I’ll ask you to draw your attention to the statistics in the picture I’ve included as today’s post image. These were sourced from this study. There are actually several more just like it, but what it illustrates is an example of how women’s subconscious will prepare failsafes in the event that the Alpha lover they hope to convert to a Beta provider doesn’t comply with her sexual strategy.
Whether he’s the one that got away, the office husband, or a gym partner, chances are he is the “Plan B” man you fantasize about running away with. Like an insurance policy, this man is the handpicked boyfriend or husband replacement you have on standby once “plan A” starts to break down on you. According to a survey conducted by OnePoll.com, an online market research company, half of women who are married or in relationships have a Plan B man on standby who is “ready and waiting” because of “unfinished business.”
It’s important to pick this apart from the get go here because, like most female written articles that describe unflattering facts about female nature, the narrative must be shifted to be the burden of men. You’ll notice the presumption here is that the ‘Plan A’ lover is always a woman’s preferred choice – thus pre-confirming women’s blamelessness from the outset – and that a ‘Plan B’ should only ever be considered if the ‘Plan A’ man somehow screws up in contenting a woman’s sexual strategy.
The entire article is founded on the principle of Dread – remember, the sort that when men use it are considered evil manipulators? However it should be noted that dread is always an element of any relationship, it’s just that since women’s imperatives are the socially correct ones today, only women can be held blameless in instituting it.
When there’s trouble in paradise, and eventually a break-up, women are left at the starting line again. This means there’s more ladies’ night, late-night rom-com marathons, and wine — lots of wine. However, to avoid playing the field and going through all the bases, women have taken a shortcut to get back to the finish line with a Plan B man. “The saying that ‘the grass isn’t always greener’ clearly isn’t deterring women of today. They understand that anything can happen and are ensuring they have a solid back-up plan should things go sour with their current man,” a spokesman for OnePoll.com told the Daily Mail.
As has been mentioned before the makings of an Alpha Widow generally begin in a woman’s Party Years; during the period during which she is at her SMV peak. And as was mentioned before, Hypergamy is always pragmatic. This Plan B insurance policy strategy is only further evidence of Hypergamy, but it is also pragmatic. Women’s hindbrains know that their SMV is a rapidly decaying asset, so yes that back up plan makes sense. What’s not so obvious in this study is that women also cling to the hope that the Plan B man with whom they consolidated long term security with might someday be replaced by the fantasy of an Alpha she’s widowed herself over.
I think the latter is not only a far more practical reasoning, but since it’s unflattering and exposing of the machinations of Hypergamy, the far more likely use of a ‘Plan B’ alternate.
You can read the rest of the article and pick up on the blatantly entitled male-qualification perspective and a bit more “you better not fuck things up” dread signaling, however, I think the last three stats are the most salient here. At least half of the men involved knew of the Plan B man, 1 in 5 was a friend of his, and 1 in 10 of the Plan B’s had already made an attempt to jump ladders to be intimate with her.
A couple of things make themselves apparent here: in a social order that is made of at least 80% Beta men women can get an ego boost in real time from the default dread they can inspire without really trying. And second, in generation Beta a default form of soft Beta cuckolding is not just known to them, but apparently it’s become normalized for them.
All of this really comes back to, once again, quelling the constant state of internal doubt that Hypergamy instills in women. The Plan B dynamic, and the normalization of it in a feminine centric social order, is yet another play for assurances of security in both the sexual and provisioning aspects of Hypergamy.
Now, so as not to leave you hanging here, I have to end this essay with a bit of actionable advice. I get criticized for outlining the problems very well, but leaving out what a man ought to do with this information.
As always, your first order of business is to be aware that this dynamic is in play. Understand that this Plan B insurance tactic is not just reserved for married men with dead bedrooms. You will likely see variations of it in your dealings with women while you’re single. Any man who’s sexed a girl who depends on a bevy of male orbiters to bolster her self-esteem knows the utility of them. In the next post I’ll be going into detail of how you can leverage the Betaness of most men to elevate your SMV.
Finally, if you are a married man experiencing this Plan B dynamic, you need to do some serious reassessing of your relationship and the status your wife holds you in. Are you one of the 50% of men who know who their wife’s Plan B is? Is he even a friend of yours?
What can you do to reinforce your Alpha dominance in this situation? Or maybe a better question is, is it worth your effort to do so? There will undoubtedly be the predictable comments about how marriage is never worth the effort, and I’ll acknowledge that here first, but are you a victim of endlessly rooting through garbage to reestablish an Alpha impression for your wife that she’s reserved for her Plan B alternate?
AgentP ““I tried the method of thinking to myself of the ways I’d like to bang her, Imagined her bent over the meeting room table etc and simultaneously kept moving in closer to an almost uncomfortable distance, slowing down my speech, lowering my tone gradually and maintaining the laser stare”” One more thing… don’t be surprised when you find you’re having huge success with sexual state transfer (what you feel she feels) and you notice you have a semi going… That is nature’s raw subchannel communication in action and for women – foreplay, it’s happening to her also. Your bodies… Read more »
@sentient “Have pretty much given this up in the pursuit of more advanced game and better choice of women (hotter, more of em) –” screening doesn’t really need to make a diff in caliber of women. two equally hot women can just be at different levels of ‘open to SNL tonight’ or ‘open to meet a new guy’ if I’m out to get laid i’m not really trying to make it hard for myself. if the best target around is in a difficult situ requiring more advanced tactics or whatever, then yeah let’s go for it….but as they say in… Read more »
“if I’m out to get laid i’m not really trying to make it hard for myself.” I’m married, so getting laid thirst isn’t much of a motivating factor for me, I’m enjoying more challenging situations and advancing. ” try to select a good table first.” – that’s the hard part, if you bounce around the country and drop in on a random Tuesday in some city somewhere, venue selection and timing can be an issue, there are nights where it’s just insurmountable (i.e. places dead, you went to the wrong place on wrong night, wrong part of city, bad weather… Read more »
@sent “I’m married, so getting laid thirst isn’t much of a motivating factor for me, I’m enjoying more challenging situations and advancing.” oh lol i forgot. ya that’s a whole diff headspace im sure. like when the best target is in an advanced situ then im all for doing the really advanced stuff and giving it a go. ” that’s the hard part, if you bounce around the country and drop in on a random Tuesday in some city somewhere, venue selection and timing can be an issue, there are nights where it’s just insurmountable” yeah that’s tough. even CA… Read more »
@krauserpua Ya our number stuff is super fucked over here. I’m viewing Overkill through two lenses: 1) what tweaks would it need to help guys in North America get used out of it (’cause this style of game is going to get steamrolled over in NA these days), and 2) what stuff would I recommend adding in to help your own % conversion rate from our NA style game ’cause it looks like Euro travel culture is a lot more prone to flaking with everyone only being around for a few days here and there a lot of the time.… Read more »
Segway.. random WaPo article about evolutionary biology and impacts on High IQ individuals of socializing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/18/why-smart-people-are-better-off-with-fewer-friends/?tid=sm_fb
Thanks for the feedback, I had not gone into the meeting thinking I should play this chick, in fact it had been a distraction from my prime mission which was an infinitely bigger deal. I had already been in the office since 4:30 in the morning and it was only 9:00 am, I saw her come in, as I had agreed to meet her but had forgotten it was happening. She was cute so I thought fuck it, I’ll give her a few minutes and I can practice a set for shits and giggles. The laser eyes was more like… Read more »
Yareally
“This is painful to watch.”
Indeed it is, but it shows that basic direct non verbal game is effective. Part of this was also done intentionally fast I believe.
The point being – if guys want to get laid there is nothing stopping them except not being in the presence of girls and then not doing ANYTHING when they are.
Tally ho
Yareally
You would agree though that some core concepts are being displayed here such as direct open, compliance testing, strong kino (yes uncalibrated), slowed down speech, tonality, some laser going and leading the interaction… Those are easy tools to reach for in the toolbox.
@Sentient
“but it shows that basic direct non verbal game is effective”
Ya, dude has rock solid subcomms from his tonality (dominant, breaking rapport, commanding, assuming compliance, deep/loud voice, etc), body language, confidence etc that gets a good initial response.
But then he just throws it away over and over lol It’s like being about to win the game and then sauntering toward the end zone and letting the other team tackle you. Like wtf??
Think I’ll try something new tonight…see if I can get a married girl to wing for me…her husband will be there and he’s cool…should be fun seeing if we can both nuzzle a girl’s neck from opposite sides. I’ll have to game the married girl a bit to get her in the mood and compliant. She’ll be drunk and has a lot of comfort with me. I’m sure her husband will enjoy the show. I’m still beating myself up for not getting a girl’s no. last week, lol. I have persistent high value with her. I like the long-time-no-see high… Read more »
@Yareally GLL guy here…. Chris was trying to make a point there, that hitting on chicks doesn’t have to be smooth, so don’t get hung up on details. Also the whole point of having game is to get laid(at least that’s my goal). If I can somehow increase efficiency then that’s even better. The guy got laid there that night, that’s all that matters. I personally don’t really care if with some game I can make 80% of the chicks want to fuck me, I won’t have the time to fuck all of them anyway. A lot of those infield… Read more »
ETA
Ya’s point is with minor tweaks and understanding GLL would have broadened his opportunities… A good thing always.
And GLLs point is with none of that you can still get laid…
Both are right. There is no need to make any false distinctions.
@ETA “that hitting on chicks doesn’t have to be smooth, so don’t get hung up on details” I agree and tried to mention “in this video” as much as possible because I haven’t watched much GLL stuff and this probably doesn’t represent what GLL teaches overall (I hope). But holding it up as solid infield I think there’s gotta be some warnings for the newbies looking to learn from it, like it’s solid infield for showing subcomms off but not really solid game for high consistency. “The guy got laid there that night, that’s all that matters.” You can boil… Read more »
@culum @yareally Was at work when boss mentioned there was a mixed race girl vendor there. Said she was married but I was like fuck it I’ll go practice on her anyway. She (a 6) was in the process of wrapping up but got me some samples anyway. Light banter but mentioned she was going to get a drink with boss when she was finished in a few minutes. Also asked me very shortly in the conversation what I planned to do later that night. It was a holiday, so not an out of the blue question, but it definitely… Read more »
@all
i just let the hunt emerge naturally.
i don’t want to deploy all of my skills in pursuit of something unworthy.
like if it’s just a piece of ass, why treat it like anything but?
so default setting is ‘get it in’
and then invariably, one girl or another will respond but give resistance and the connection will be there.
then there’s a real chase.
this is all some species of qualification and calibration…but it ensures that whenever I invest anything significant, I have high odds for success.
In my opinion men should not view relationships with women as indefinite or long term. The typical romantic or sexual relation lasts no longer than a few years. First, we should not even start a relationship with a woman unless there is a strong attraction and great sex. A woman in love will want to make love passionately every day. If a woman does not display this high level of attraction for the man, he should avoid a relationship or commitment with her. By the same token, if a man in an established relationship observes that his woman is no… Read more »
@scray “i don’t want to deploy all of my skills in pursuit of something unworthy.” “this is all some species of qualification and calibration…but it ensures that whenever I invest anything significant, I have high odds for success.” It’s been lost over time with people giving no fucks about Mystery Method anymore, but the structure behind MM was that you DHV’ed until the girl was giving you hardcore iois and only after you have hardcore iois do you qualify her and then show interest. So if you weren’t getting iois you would never invest anything (unless you really wanted her… Read more »
Scray, Ya, Sentiant, Culum, HABD…. Hell EVERYONE. How much weight do you guys give to developing passion? I can’t add much to the pua discussions, but I read all of the fr’s. Passion for what one is trying to do is paramount for exceptional success imo. You can do some shit, or you can excel greatly at the same shit. Wanting isn’t passion. When I read Ya, I sense passion. Scray also. I’m curious as to what the men here, all of you, feel about the importance ( or non-importance ) of passion for what you do, or are trying… Read more »
…misspelled Sentient. Evidently spelling isn’t a passion of mine.
“How much weight do you guys give to developing passion?”
All of it.
Blaximus All of game (which is more akin to a language than anything else) and all Alpha traits can be distilled into three things, displays of dynamic, passionate and authentic qualities. The Alpha Trident. Search your history… When you were being dynamic, passionate and authentic everything fell into place with women and with life. Knowing Game on top of that just increases your swath of pussy, because you get the language. You can get by with just Game in life… But you cant get far. Dwell upon this young fellas. And remember the Trident is AMORAL… Ps – as to… Read more »
Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that my passion goes into development. I’ve never had a problem developing passion itself, unless you wish to take the point of view that passion outside the prescribed channels is a problem.
Lol had about a min in a bar. Was talking to a few people. Then I saw a younger girl with her mom. Her body language said “Mooom lets gooo. I want to goo.” So I asked her “You’re under 21 I take it?” “Yes” “Sucks to be you.” Then immediately turned to talk to another person. Everyone around me started laughing. A guy was like “Nice bro, nice.” Even her mom was laughing. Girls eyes lit up and she was much happier. Was in a hurry so couldn’t do anything else, but it was pretty awesome to get all… Read more »
Yes Blaximus, I thought that “developing passion” goes without saying in the manosphere and in Game. I thought it was a maxim. (a saying that is widely accepted on its own merits – a general truth (synonym for axiom)) You can’t have strength, courage, mastery and honor without having intrinsic passion for being and doing in a masculine way. In the old days you had to have passion to stay alive. Today you have to have passion to feel alive. You can tell the guys that have it here in the comments section for sure. It is interesting the latest… Read more »
The old McKinsey maxim… Rule of threes… Lol. Works though.
I don’t work Fridays. Today I unhanded my tax documents to my accountant. Lifted weights hard. Got a haircut. Went to the cigar lounge with my son and watched a big upset of his college team starting at 2:45. Shit. And now watched a video Sentient posted up of GLL. Double shit barf-able. WTF? I understand that that is a concept of fast screening, but it is painful to watch. I guess if you meet a girl enamored of Japanese culture and likes good tattoos and bulky gym-type guys (not that there is anything wrong with them), it might be… Read more »
SJF – i think perhaps what capital G game aficionados overlook in Mr. GLL’s efforts is maybe the raw directness and most importantly the girl’s responses… In most of the interactions, despite zero verbal game, he is going in and in under one minute grabbing a girl and dragging her off… couple of make outs and one lay… Now there is balance as Yareally has rounded on, but in this space at this moment it seems that more guys are going home solo because they are NOT physically acting in the moment, except for their jaws… something to be said… Read more »
SJF A rough further expansion on the Alpha Trident and the evo background for these traits… “Dynamic – passionate – authentic = alpha. Dynamic – a bias for action, initiation, invention. These are male life giving and sustaining traits. A man siting on his ass ain’t bringing in mastadon meat or discovering how to make fire or exploring and conquering new territories or defending existing ones. Male dynamism is the corollary to female reproduction and nurturing. Passion – a hunger for increasing knowledge and skill. Passion is the fuel for dynamic endeavor, informing and amplifying. Passion brings life to the… Read more »
Excellent expose/reminder @8:22. Don’t sit on your ass, have desire and be congruent. And then Game ON. In regards to GLL. Your point is well taken on taking action. Yes the GLL loser moniker is ironic. To guys he looks wooden and stiff. To girls he looks tall and bulky and Harley rider masculine, but little else. But he takes action. And your point of taking action is a good one that uses him as an example, so no harm done (except to my gag/barf reflex). Wouldn’t want to be him, but good luck with his sell. Love your stuff,… Read more »
Watching the GLL stuff. It’s good for me to analyze his stuff. What freaks me out about him is that he’s just completely uncalibrated and is doing nothing to spike her and get her little fantasy hamster going. Comparing this to Mystery Method and Juggler and RSD is like watching a guy with no game. While I’m certainly a beginner, I have to say it’s like I’m watching him just throw pussy away. When he goes in for the kiss on the first one, I’m like wtf? There is not attraction and barely any interest. The second one that he… Read more »
Scribblerg You should watch to the end… that is the story. He pulls a decent girl in 12 minutes or so walking in cold off the street with minimal “game”… and that is the entire point. He got laid as he intended. The rest he ejects from as he also intends… and is not wasting an hour or more working them. A different strategy perhaps, but then requiring different methods. No matter. I’m no massive proponent of GLL at all (and I don’t want to forgo any helicopter rides with GB_Shill for damn sure), but this is still a solid… Read more »
scribblerg “Me? Being older, I have to get the interest up and work it.” Is that actually true? Have you tested this lately? How do you KNOW this is true? Explain. You might find there is more interest than you think. “Also, why is always asking where they are from? It’s just conversation filler that doesn’t really do anything dynamically. Also, the compliments seem a bit ineffective.” The game here is kino and strong subcomms… the verbal is irrelevant. RSD examples are better because they are doing the EXACT same kino and subcomms with more and better verbal and calibration.… Read more »
@Sentient Agree, but I still sense an overall rejection of some basic/fundamental truths to attraction, that according to PUAs Looks don’t matter. The ideal is to have both looks and game. Lot’s of kids get into mental masturbation with PUA stuff and get burned out because they get told that if they learn some lines, hotties will flock to them. @YaReally There’s definitely more to GLL, most of which you might not agree with 😉 Chris has his own blog, so some of the youtube videos fit into his articles. —- “but even faster would be just dialing up a… Read more »
@Sentient – You know, sometimes I have to remind you guys that I have an N of about 100 (stopped counting at 70, 10+ years ago). That said, if there is no interest and attraction, you ain’t going to get laid. This guy is 20 years younger than me, taller and more jacked. He gets a bit more initial attraction but still does very poorly with it. And no, I won’t watch the rest – watching him pull isn’t going to teach me anything. He’s also not selective at all, something I’m utterly uninterested in. I’m into seduction, always have… Read more »
@ETA “the whole point of having game is to get laid(at least that’s my goal). If I can somehow increase efficiency then that’s even better.” If you’re one of the “pleasure of sex” guys rather than the “thrill of the chase” guys as YaReally put it, you really need to be honest with yourself and act accordingly. I did the PUA thing for three years and realized I was a “pleasure of sex” guy who got more enjoyment out of slapping dollar bills across strippers asses than running routines in bars no matter how much guys over the internet told… Read more »
Jeez man……wouldn’t be a RM post is asdblabber wasn’t bragging about being legen-dary with the women every other post. That’s some really tiring aninity.
Is there medicine you can take for that?
Sentient – I didn’t realise you scanned through bars so quickly looking for targets when solo (5-10 mins each). I’m going to try that when going solo. Guess you need to when there are limited targets. Blaximus – Yes, to go back to that Daniel Coyle book SJF and I keep posting about: he talks about how you need to practice a lot to develop a new skill, but you’ll never practice enough or focus enough (for mastery, as opposed to just becoming adequate) unless you have a passion for it, and he talks a lot about the process of… Read more »
PS – I do think GLL is good looking btw, for PUA purposes anyway. Not so much facial aesthetics, but he’s tall, jacked and conventionally masculine in the way most people would picture it. Like, my short hand for good looking in this context is “Would this guy do well on Tinder?” and GLL would.
@ Tony
Jeez man……wouldn’t be a RM post is asdblabber wasn’t bragging about being legen-dary with the women every other post. That’s some really tiring aninity.
Is there medicine you can take for that?
Lol, I don’t mind if you scroll past my posts, man. But I guess you feel you have to get my attention. Must have a crush on me. Sometimes it happens.
GLL made the point in his video that men can get laid off of piss-poor game if they just try. And they can do it very quickly if they screen for DTF.
@ Blax I’m still quite obsessed with figuring out girls and social skills. And I’m passionate about dancing and figuring out how to teach girls to dance. I pushed some boundaries of mine last night to figure out stuff. I failed one shit test, which was a good thing as she was screening for BB. I tossed one girl in the air on the dance floor. Under control and safe, tho. Lots of kino with lots of different girls and I really felt warm about the girls. Four hours of dancing. Dance instruction is very wearying as you have to… Read more »
Lol Scribbles.
IMAGINE if I had said I had a notch count of ~100.
Those double standards…
Rollo, thank you 🙂
Anywho, crazy how Liz actually left. I don’t understand people like that… She’s trying to have a conversation and some dude is horrendously rude to her and then tells her to scram, and her reaction is ‘yessir, going now.’ I don’t get it.
I enjoy reading the articles and comments but sometimes guys here give too much power to women. It is a dynamic. They are not all powerful. Sex is easy to come by. If all a woman brings to a relationship is sex, she brings nothing.
@Sentient – Let me put it a different way. I know that interest, attraction and then arousal need to be present to fuck a woman. I knew that before game but wasn’t systematic about how I tried to generate them in a woman, but I was very good at knowing when they were present (part of being a Natural). When I was GLL’s age, I got IOIs and attraction often initially, but didn’t optimize it at all. So, I’m not some 29 yr old incel who is socially retarded with women. What I am is a guy who got sick… Read more »
@Yareally – Watching some Todd daygame this morning and more and more I’m seeing his genius. I think he’s amazing at calibration and frame control, but he does it much more subtly. My question is this. I think on approach he’s kind of relying on his externals (fair enough) in the first few seconds of the open which is why he can be so chill. It’s what threw me off about him for a while because I need to spike more interest on approach due to being older and not having the externals that are going to spike interest quickly.… Read more »
@Scribbler: “If GLL was in sales he would claim “sales is a numbers game” but in fact that is a very incomplete and reductionist view of sales.” As is rejecting it. ” . . . real rockstars are very selective . . .” Which is what he is doing. Although he plays semantic games with the term, he is a master qualifier. Once his prospect is qualified, he simply closes. Have your read Joe Girard, a man who sold more Corvettes than most salesmen can sell econo models? He was so good at bringing in qualified buyers that he had… Read more »
Not everybody like Thrill of the Hunt, so not everybody is gonna like RSD’s stuff. Use GLL stuff to get sex, then hang with your bros, lift, play WoW, etc., sure, I can understand the low-investment approach that some guys want. In the same way, YaReally doesn’t like lead/follow dancing. He’s missing out on the endorphins from dancing, raising his value by dancing well, the spinning thrillrides with a girl through traffic, etc., etc., but it’s not his thing. I get it. Lots of guys don’t like dancing because it “feels” girly to them. Unfortunately, that feeling is indicative of… Read more »
“I find myself less driven to qualifying with women . . .”
This gets to the semantic game that GLL plays. He rejects the term qualifying and calls it ‘selection.’
But what he is really doing is working from his own mental point of origin; he is qualifying the customer, as he should, rather than qualify to the customer, which is so, so wrong.
@Gamer: “Lots of guys don’t like dancing because it “feels” girly to them.” I like dancing because it feels great. Sometimes I just dance around the house while I’m doing other things. For that matter, sometimes I’ll throw in a few steps to the music in my mind while I’m just walking down the sidewalk. If it weirds someone out, that’s their problem to deal with, not mine. But a number of people have called you out for using dancing as a buffer for not getting laid. And just because they have been a bit crude and offensive about it… Read more »
Scribblerg KFG Now we are getting someplace… Nice. “@Sentient – You know, sometimes I have to remind you guys that I have an N of about 100 (stopped counting at 70, 10+ years ago). ” KFG gets it. “It’s about time you started thinking about letting go of the ego and rejecting that oxymoron. The purpose of technique is results. Results is the definition of good technique.” I’ve read YaReally now for 4 years in real time, and his archive… Don’t think I’ve ever seen him refer to his N count once… for good reason. Every hour your count is… Read more »
I enjoy reading the articles and comments but sometimes guys here give too much power to women. It is a dynamic. They are not all powerful. Sex is easy to come by. If all a woman brings to a relationship is sex, she brings nothing. If sex were easy to come by there would be no prostitution, Hypergamy, Game, or even classic sonnets of love and desire. I understand your need for simplification as a want to remove yourself from women’s agency and power over men. I think a lot of Blue Pill men seem to think that because a… Read more »
@ kfg Yeah, unfortunately, the monogamy program is still running in my brain, lol. Mrs. Gamer has been upping her sex game, so something I’m doing is working right in the sex dept. I get laid a lot, I’m fine, lol. For me, when I’m out at a bar, it’s all there but the closing. I can bounce, kino, chat, dance. I’m fine with not closing. If Mrs. Gamer were unavailable, closing would be nbd. Last night I was walking out of the bar to cool off and a HB7 cold-approached me, grabbed my hand, and pulled me to the… Read more »
scribblerg This here: ” I need to spike more interest on approach due to being older and not having the externals that are going to spike interest quickly. Another point is that he claims approaching during the day itself demonstrates high value itself, but I don’t think that’s true when you are 53. I think it can look creepy or desperate if you don’t approach more aggressively and with high energy.” get’s back to my unanswered question to you: ““Me? Being older, I have to get the interest up and work it.” Is that actually true? Have you tested this… Read more »
@Sentient “Now there is balance as Yareally has rounded on, but in this space at this moment it seems that more guys are going home solo because they are NOT physically acting in the moment, except for their jaws…” Right, that’s why I say like, it’s a good example of how much solid subcomms can do for you. I have zero problem with his initial opens, it’s just everything AFTER that he flushes down the toilet out of laziness because he throws out calibration, group theory, etc etc in that video. He might not do that normally, I haven’t watched… Read more »
“In that video GLLs only requirement of the girl is “she’s DTF and makes it easy to get her”. That’s totally fine and valid, but long-term down the road the type of girls a guy is going to end up with in his life are probably not going to be the type of girls he wants to spend a lot of quality time with.” No disagreement at all. And I’m well past the point of just trying to get laid. My comments often go straight to the point that if a girl doesn’t have something to offer but a lay… Read more »
1:52 in this vid Max goes into physical calibration briefly (youtube search the Max 4k vid and you can see how he isolates the girl): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-_oBZfdd8Q&t=1m52s Todd breaking down basic physical calibration in depth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuEgdc7ujXw GLL in that video just keeps trying to plow forward when the girls are giving him signals of “back up for just like 10 FUCKING SECONDS and make me feel just a little special or like I have to earn you, I LIKE you but you’re uncalibrated and I’m going to HAVE to walk away from this even though I wish I didn’t have to”.… Read more »
you give her a compliment (especially on something other than her looks), that compliment MEANS something to her because she EARNED it. Yup, if you don’t give her a treat for qualifying, other girls will see this and your value will take a hit. Like when I’m out dancing, no matter what, I compliment the girl so that she leaves smiling. She could have been very awkward, but I still tell her that it was a good dance as long as she had fun. And they invariably smile after hearing this, which tells the other girls that she got a… Read more »
That’s sad though, Yareally. Are you sure this isn’t confirmation bias? Sure AWALT, but women don’t have the same value system. Not everyone is on Tinder. It’s actually a minority of folks who use Tinder. Not everyone attention whores on social media or has a history of sluttery. There are actual good families out there that don’t raise attention whores and inherently bad, toxic humans. Some people do place a premium on loyalty and it can be pretty clear, even online, who those people are. I think Lee lee and Dragonfly are likely loyal and good people. Many people do… Read more »
@all i’ve already said several times in this thread that escalation by itself, while important, isn’t enough in many situs and i’ve said that it’s when you add MM ON TOP of that sort of foundation that you really start seeing some great results. Like how Ya is saying ‘man, this guy is just throwing it away left and right’ like if he would take some time and SOME effort to do some basic MM stuff he’d have crazy crazy results and interactions even tho he may be there a little longer or whatever I emphasize getting in a girl’s… Read more »
also, when i’m out when i talk about screening i’m not talking about doing this lol like, usually it’ll be some kind of dirtbag opener….’you’re hot/let’s makeout’ now, some % of women will just shut that down hard some % will make it super easy for you and it’ll be sucker’s mate (nothing wrong with that) but some women…and what i’m talking about wrt the ‘hunt’ emerging organically will shut it down but it won’t be that hard. idk maybe she gives a reason like ‘lol i don’t even know you’ like some variation of the subcomm ‘ya maybe but… Read more »
@scray “I emphasize getting in a girl’s face and escalating NOT because that’s all there is to it, but because that’s a HUGE STICKING POINT guys have because they are EXTREMELY afraid of doing something wrong or awkward or w/e. i know i did.” Right, that’s why like that video was a good example of subcomms, but not a good example of game. I have a buddy who’s scared to sexually escalate, so he comes to me and he’s like “dude here’s my new idea I’m just going to make out with every girl right away, as soon as I… Read more »
” . . . just get in there and START THROWING HAYMAKERS.” Arthur Jones (the inventor of Nautilus machines) traveled a lot and really, seriously didn’t give a flying fuck about what anyone thought of him, so he would often simply approach a woman in a hotel lounge and say: “I’m only here for the night, I don’t have time to play games. Do you want to come up to my room and fuck?” Most guys would die rather than do that. My argument is not prescriptive in the sense that I’m advocating a particular approach to game (and GLL’s… Read more »
@kfg “I’m only here for the night, I don’t have time to play games. Do you want to come up to my room and fuck?” If he added a qualifier so she felt special and like she earned the invite, and changed “and fuck” to “for a drink” he’d likely have had a higher success rate. That’s all I’ve been saying. There’s nothing wrong with going super direct, but throw in a few seconds of calibration and you’ll increase your odds. Again it’s like guys think it’s either go up and slap her with their dick or spend 7 hours… Read more »
” . . . an unhappy outcome down the road if they stick with that method . . .”
I shouldn’t tune my car for speed now, because in ten years I might want to tune it for economy.
@kfg
“I shouldn’t tune my car for speed now, because in ten years I might want to tune it for economy.”
I should just blow all my money on impulse buys now because in ten years I won’t need to know how to budget.
I don’t need to focus on making money now, because it will be there to be earned later when I change my focus.
Same difference.
You aren’t allocated a certain amount of money when you’re born, and die when it’s gone.
And they make 175,000 new girls every day.
I chose the car analogy because you can retune your car every hour if you want to. It isn’t a permanent choice.
Just as you can recalibrate your game with every girl you approach. You can’t “use up” game.
@kfg “Just as you can recalibrate your game with every girl you approach. You can’t “use up” game.” Right but you can build a lot of bad habits. Look at how much difficulty scribblerg is having adjusting to structure now that he doesn’t have the looks and social circles and energy etc he had in his prime to rely on. You CAN fix your eating habits at any point in your life, but if you spend 10 years scarfing down junk food chasing the instant dopamine rush you’re going to have a helluva time adjusting to turning down donuts for… Read more »
@ SJF ” You can’t have strength, courage, mastery and honor without having intrinsic passion for being and doing in a masculine way. In the old days you had to have passion to stay alive. Today you have to have passion to feel alive. ” This. All things are driven for a man, off of a masculine passion. Strength, courage, honor and mastery are all male traits that separate us from the feminine. I think that message and way of being is getting stilted in today’s society. Obviously the commenters here still understand the import of having passion, which is… Read more »
” . . . the payoff is a lifetime of a sharper skillset.”
That’s what I’m talking about.
kfg
lol…
” And they make 175,000 new girls every day.”
http://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2013/11/aaron-paul-mind-blown.gif
Sometimes kfg’s comments force me to dress like this when I read them
http://www.getmorris.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/diver_at_the_bottom_by_harchangel-d3ds0wf.jpg
I dig the way your mind works.
Yareally – I’ll say that this here is pulled out of context… “I must say the irony here on this thread is Scray endorsing getting in the girl’s face and escalating, and here is an example of a guy doing only that (granted lot’s of poor calibration) quickly and getting a hiding…” He’s getting it because you posted the video saying it was “good infield”, not “a good example of using JUST direct subcomms/escalation with no calibration etc” The flow was based on Scray’s comments here: Scray “now, does this mean women will all be about this? of course not.… Read more »
I’m going a little O/T here, but I want to say some things about ” aging “. Young cats can look away… lol, or use this for later ( decades later ) reference. There is indeed a biological truth concerning aging. We can mitigate many of the effects, but some of them will just become ” facts “. I’m going to cosign that worn out adage that one is as young as he feels. Even though I happen to prefer marriage, on my own terms, I occasionally like to exercise my ability to interest a chick 20-30 years younger than… Read more »
PS-
Also, I don’t subscribe to any form of ” Dirty Old Man ” bullshit. There is no such animal.
That shit is usually said by old broads you won’t fuck, or young chicks overwhelmed by your ” presence “.
Lmfao –
Out.
“mentally, forget about your age.”
When asked my age I have actually found myself counting on my fingers to work it out from my birth date. That’s how little I think about it.
“Also, I don’t subscribe to any form of ” Dirty Old Man ” bullshit. There is no such animal.”
This. +1000
+for Latinas!
Blaximus as for aging and what type of game should older dudes use. I made a commitment to myself two years ago that I would only start exclusively gaming and banging girls under 30. Apart from 3, the 30 girls I’ve banged to date in the last 2 years have all been under 30 with the youngest 21. No one I tell my real age to can believe it. I’m in shape, look and dress like late 30’s. This is due to attitude and discipline: eating right, keeping in shape, working out daily. The discipline is a grind but the… Read more »
“seem to think that because a collective of men would come together to discuss intersexual dynamics they must necessarily live their lives for pussy. What they forget is that the ‘sphere is a dedicated place (more or less) to do just this. It doesn’t mean we don’t all have lives, jobs and families. We don’t put off everything in life in favor of figuring out how best to get laid, ” That is the impression I got tbh 😛 But good point! It might not actually be the case with you Rollo. It probably isn’t. ON THE OTHER HAND, if… Read more »
The article linked in this piece where you took the image from is making me furious tbh. They are basically saying “Your woman has got a backup man and is very likely to have feelings for him, and she will go straight towards him if you dont do what she wants, all the time.” It doesnt even bother to mention that this is, observed just from a moralistic viewpoint, highly questionable.
@Tuko
Reality doesn’t give a shit about morality. Morality is a human construct. Reality is what it is, regardless of morality.
The distance between reality and your idealized version of how reality “should be” determines how angry you are. Learn to let go of the “should be” and live with how it is. The anger will tear you apart while solving nothing.
Christ, good post and then hundreds of comments about infield game.
Feminist Projection 101:
slut-shame:
“middle-to upper-class college women used the word “slut” against poorer women and women of color most often, and that the bullies themselves often had more sexual experience than the targets”
@ Blax I am mindful that the aggression that served me excellently in my 20’s and 30’s can be detrimental at 55 unless I calibrate it properly. But it is always there, simmering below the surface. Reading what you guys write here, I’d say that the aggression now serves as a subcomm in my case. ( I’m learning…lol…) . But now, too much aggression gives of the angry/creepy old man vibe. Aggression vibes. Very pertinent to my experience last night. I would like feedback on my reading of the situation. I think I need some aggression to deal with the… Read more »
@ Emily the projectionist
Age doesn’t matter now? Yes, it totes does.
Age matters if a man doesn’t generate tingles. Otherwise, not so much, lol. The Hamster will persuade a girl that a man really isn’t old if he arouses her. Go do some work in the field for your research instead of speculating.
This is the part of the program where Emmy says “looook at meeeee!!! Looook at meeeee!!!!”…
Of course she must be ovulating…
Next will come from her “you’re such an asshole!”, and she won’t leave…. LOL
Age does matter at 55 I find very few young men mid thirties that can keep up with me.I attribute this more to them being raised with a different value system in that they may have more potential than me but absolutely no clue on how to use it. Saturday I helped a group of mid 30s men move a boat.They had no clue I had to bring it all truck w/ receiver,gas compressor,100ft hose,chuck,wrenches,oil,tow strap and the experience,knowledge and leadership skills to get it done. Now I had all of this when I was 21,these men are like 16yo… Read more »
“I attribute this more to them being raised with a different value system in that they may have more potential than me but absolutely no clue on how to use it.”
And this. And that goes for physicality as well. As I type this I am the most powerful cyclist within a 50 mile radius. The men younger than me (which is nearly all of them) have more theoretical potential, but they don’t seem to bring it out.
And note that I am comparing myself to the apex riders, men who train, compete and sometimes invest as much as the price of a new car on their equipment.
Age is a big issue for women. Notice how Emily keeps coming back here for the tingles from the older men she doesn’t get from her totes perfect churchy-cuck fiancé
“and sometimes invest as much as the price of a new car”
Now where is the neccesity in that?There are some jobs that can’t be done without the snapon wrench but a craftsman tool will work just fine in most cases.
“and that goes for physicality as well”
There is alot to be said for a high pain tolerance,and just plain sticktoitivenes.Also in your case being your own pit crew and engineering crew is an added edge.
I sure do like to tease a guy that brings a new shovel or hammer.
Totaly noticed that,but still Rollo she was smiling at you and laughing at me.
Being the recognized leader on a turf trumps the age and power card.
“Now where is the neccesity in that?” In my youth, when I aspired to turn pro, I had a significant amount of my gross worth invested in my racing bicycle. Hand made frame, top of the line parts and tires. But racing equipment wears out quickly and is not infrequently destroyed by accident. And then there is the matter of technological obsolescence. You don’t just buy racing equipment, you have to keep buying it over and over again. Nowadays my handmade, top of the line bike is a randonneur, in automotive terms a Grand Touring. It’s for pleasure riding and… Read more »
How much do power requirements go up with a shorter crank stroke,low tire pressure,miss-tuned spokes,miss-aligned wheels,improperly lubed or preloaded brgs,improper seat and bar adjustment and misuse of roadway?
Don’t answer I’l just call someone with a truck to give me a ride.
“What I have figured out since my youth is that most of the money that goes into racing equipment returns only marginal gains.” I just use a cannondale r400 myself. Cost me like 3 Benjamins, steel frame, no clips on the pedals. Fuck clips, wearing terrible shoes and having your feet welded to your bike makes you a less useful person. All the aerodynamic carbon fiber jazz gives you is an empty wallet, a sore ass, and a busted frame after your first crash. Less weight? Why would I want my rides to make me less strong? The few pounds… Read more »
Well not too much commentary on the OP so far. As a real live plan B myself, let me opine. CONFESSIONS OF A PLAN B By Forge So there’s this HB7, 24yo girl from my social circle. The sort of girl that stands out in a club due to her Barbie-girl aesthetics, a fact she once capitalized on frequently. Cool girl – smart, driven, has good home making skills. We share interests and have tended to hit it off. She has a bf of like 6 years; they own a house together. He’s very good-looking and has natural game. Good… Read more »
” . . . wearing terrible shoes and having your feet welded to your bike makes you a less useful person.” For the past several years I have even been time trialling with platform pedals, no foot retention. Makes no damned difference in speed. For hill climbs it may even give a slight advantage, being able to place your foot on the pedal for maximum efficiency compared to changes in grade. If I did mass start racing on Belgian cobbles, I’d use foot retention, strictly for the safety factor, but riding solo on the sort of surfaces I do, which… Read more »
“For the past several years I have even been time trialling with platform pedals, no foot retention. Makes no damned difference in speed.”
Hah, thanks for the info. I tend to distrust things that interfere too much with ordinary functioning. Run barefoot. Eat food that looks like how it grew. The evidence tends to end up on my side eventually.
@Forge
Despite their lawsuits by clueless fucktards, I’ve actually been quite pleased with the results I’ve had from running in Vibrams for the past few years. I find that I do slightly faster laps when my form is correct, and I wind up in a little pain when it isn’t. It’s a very self-correcting process.