Assurances

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In 2015 women were offered workplace benefits that would allow them to freeze their eggs in order to grant them a promise of a future family irrespective of the personal or career choices they make in life. Granted, this benefit is only reserved for higher up positions in select tech firms that can afford to make a showing of concern for women’s professional and family aspirations (as a PR effort), but the message of even having an option to reserve giving birth at a later phase in life is clear:

Women want an assurance of Hypergamous optimization.

Whether it’s on the personal scale of socially engineering generations of men to accommodate this, or on the larger, more direct scale of legislating those assurances into common law, the underlying imperative is making that optimization as certain as possible for the largest number of women.

It’s important to remember that Hypergamy is rooted in doubt; doubt that any one man might serve to optimally satisfy the dual nature of women’s sexual strategy – optimal sexual agency for optimal genetic selection, and then optimal provisioning for optimal parental investment in offspring – Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks. This doubt of optimization defines the subconscious hindbrain experience for women throughout all phases of their lives.

I covered these phases in Preventive Medicine the book, but to keep things brief, it’s a necessary review when we consider how this doubt extrapolates from the biological level, to the neurological level, on to the personal experiential level, to the interpersonal/intersexual, and on to the great societal and political level. Ensuring Hypergamy is optimized for a majority of women, irrespective of their own suitability for a majority of men, (and at the complete abdication of men’s sexual strategies) is at the root of all feminine empowerment, all socialization of feminine primacy, all cultural efforts to normalize it, and all legislation determined to enforce it.

The latent purpose of developing technology to freeze a woman’s eggs, for instance, is to cheat (or give the impression of being able to cheat) the otherwise naturalistic process of fertility that women are beholden to.

The latent purpose of every pop-cultural trend that contributes to the perception that women can realistically exceed the window of their fertility is offered as an assurance that women have more time than would be naturalistically expected to optimize Hypergamy.

Ostensibly the message for women is the cliché of ‘having it all’ – reassuring women that they can have a rewarding career and make a significant difference in their lives and the lives of others as well as realistically having a meaningful family experience later in life. The unspoken hindbrain message is that a woman has more time to optimize Hypergamy.

If this doubt ensuring requires men’s sacrifices or special dispensations in order to accommodate women’s naturalistic realities or individual deficiencies, those requirements are simply means to an end.

Furthermore, the Feminine Imperative makes exhaustive effort in social, personal and political spheres to assure women that even when their Hypergamous choices prove debilitating or damaging that they have the prerogative to reset their chances at optimization proactively or retroactively.

Whether this is realistic or not is irrelevant to the messaging. This messaging is couched in the social expectation that men are required to afford women this forgiveness of past indiscretions (single motherhood, Alpha Widows, etc.), but again, the purpose of this reset is to provide women with the maximum amount of leeway in consolidating on an optimized Hypergamy.

In Nursing Power I outlined the power dynamic behind women’s drive to maintain the primacy of a feminine defined social order, but it’s too easy to simply think that women’s ultimate end of attaining power is for the sake of power alone. That want for power is driven by the obsessive hindbrain need to quell the doubt that Hypergamy instills in women. All we need do is look at the societal changes women will push to legislate for once they have even marginal degrees of power.

Margins of Power

Serendipitously commenter Not Born This Morning took me to task on this idea in the last comment thread:

@ Rollo – “The new, post-sexual revolution order is a model ostensibly based on ‘sexual freedom’, but what this really represents is a return to that naturalistic sexual order based on pre-agrarian, evolutionarily incentivized hypergamy.”

This is not true.

The naturalistic sexual social order of pre-agrarian human existence expressed BOTH genders natural sexuality without preference of one over the other or the perversion of both that we see today. Today’s laws and social conventions prevent men from returning to THEIR natural sexuality. We are not returning to the naturalistic sexual social order and there is no indication that we will any time soon.

Many of todays “betas” are restrained “alphas”. Law and social convention restrains them.

As a point of order here, I wasn’t suggesting that ‘societally’ western culture is returning to anything like a pre-agrarian sexual paradigm, but rather that pre-agrarian evolved paradigm of Hypergamy is informing the social narrative. Both pre and post agrarian, Hypergamy still influenced and determined our socio-sexual direction – men performed, women chose.

It is not idealism, intellectualism, mental masturbation or “cultural changes” that determine human behavior. We like to pretend that emotional idealism steers history but it never has and never will. We think women are “liberated” by laws and social conventions but they are not. The laws and social conventions that we think make it possible for women to “enjoy” new “freedom” are not the cause, they are only ideals and “paradigms” that result from the real cause.

These laws and social conventions are only thoughts, documents and behavioral practices that confirm what has already happened and been accepted. Women have been liberated from responsibilities and hardships they faced prior to agriculture.

Technology and industrialization were the real enablers of female “liberation” and “freedom”. Today, because of technology, we are relatively safe from predators, famine, disease, and tribes of other humans, etc. We are intellectually advanced (maybe) but definitely physically and mentally weaker. Today’s human female does not need the superior strength, tenacity, strategic intelligence and initiative possessed by surviving males in pre-agrarian tribal groups. Back then, she and her children could not have survived without it him. Today we breed mostly wanna be hyenas and betas and they are voting accordingly.

While we may have a greater mastery over our environment and women may not need strength, tenacity, etc. women’s sexual nature is still informed by an evolved Hypergamy that responds to, and is aroused by, these cues in men.

However, NBTM has a point. Perhaps I should revise that idea, but I will say that post-Sex Rev, the paradigm has favored women’s sexual strategy as the one to define our predominant social order (i.e. unfettered Hypergamy).

Given that freedom and preferential deference to women’s imperatives in a social context, women use both to optimize on a Hypergamy that evolved from pre-agrarian physical and social environments.

Thus, with all the Beta security/provisioning aspects of Hypergamy being met by men (either directly or indirectly) the Alpha sexuality/breeding aspect of Hypergamy is the only thing not directly or immediately available to women without their own qualification for it.

And even this is progressively being accounted for both socially and legislatively with regard to sexual consent law ambiguities, ubiquitous abortion, divorce concessions and curbing every trivial expression of male sexuality from men not ‘worthy’ of expressing it. In fact virtually every socially mandated convention that limits men’s sexual expression or his most marginal want of qualification in women is really an effort in forcing men to comply with women’s need for optimizing Hypergamy.

That’s an important footnote in a social order that’s primarily focused on women’s Hypergamy as the predominant one, and then one that is primarily focused on men’s Alpha side sexual suitability. Beta provisioning needs being relatively assured, women demand satisfaction, qualified and verified satisfaction, of men’s suitability in an Alpha breeding context.

For example:

You’ll have to forgive me for using this video of Gronk (the first has been making the rounds on Twitter), but his nature, attitude and behavior are illustrative of a Hypergamous social order that forgives the excesses of a confirmed Alpha.

I stated in a prior essay that women will break rules for Alphas, but create and impose more rules on Betas while expecting compliance from them. This can be extended to the greater whole of a society based on the Feminine Imperative; feminine social mores forgive the Alpha while punishing the impotent Beta for daring to qualify himself as an Alpha.

One reason women despise the undeniable efficacy of Game is because it devises to bypass women’s innate, evolved filters for determining men’s Alpha suitability. Game depends on triggering women’s emotional states, bad or good, so in addition to intentionally working around her filters, Game also creates an emotional impact.

Bypassing women’s filters, and misrepresenting (or impersonating) a genuine Alpha article is a capitol offense to Hypergamous doubt. So it should come as no surprise that the most egregious laws and social mandates with regards to men’s “appropriate” sexual conduct center on women’s qualifying men and verifying his value to her optimization.

Example: Assemblyman Troy Singleton wants to introduce a bill that would make misrepresenting oneself as a means to sex to be equatable to rape-by-fraud:.

And thus we come to NBTM’s assertion that,…

Today’s laws and social conventions prevent men from returning to THEIR natural sexuality. We are not returning to the naturalistic sexual social order and there is no indication that we will any time soon.

Through cultural, religious or physical means Hypergamy has always had contingencies to keep it in check. These contingencies (rape included unfortunately) are all efforts for men’s assurances of paternity and fidelity in a long term mate, and ultimately (hopefully) constitute men’s exercising an influence on the direction of his culture and species.

From Martie Hasslton on Sexual Pluralism and Mating Strategies:

According to strategic pluralism theory (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000), men have evolved to pursue reproductive strategies that are contingent on their value on the mating market. More attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple mating partners and relatively less time investing in offspring. In contrast, the reproductive effort of less attractive men, who do not have the same mating opportunities, is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offspring and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates.

I’ve emphasized the last bit here because it’s important to consider that the reproductive efforts of lower SMV men necessitate the institution of social structures that also (potentially) ensure his narrowly invested efforts in fewer (or one) mate and his offspring. That man cannot afford to be caught on the losing end of polyandry or cuckoldry. Thus the 80% of men with the most investment and most to lose in the conflict of women’s sexual strategy (Hypergamy) establish social conventions to develop assurances of their own.

Those social structures, religions doctrines and various cultural norms are contingent insurances against the results of a society based on unfettered Hypergamy. In essence those structures were established as buffers against the lack of influence men would have in a society that unilaterally empowers women’s Hypergamy and removes any decision making influence.

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thwack
thwack
5 years ago

@Simp-tient

when Im done scrubbin the pavement with your face; I’ll tap dance on your mothers grave, dig it up and stomp her bones.

Now run and tell CH you super cunt.

excuse me; super WHITE cunt.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Yhufir – Try making your point more concisely, you are rambling all over the place and spewing word salads that are simple too tedious to parse. Let me see if I can boil your commentary down to a single point: Rollo points out unfavorable characteristics of female behavior and is critical of it. But doesn’t criticize male behavior. That’s it in a nutshell, yes? First things first – for fuck’s sake, try to make a clear, cogent, precise point, okay? Second, you miss entirely what is going on here. This isn’t a moral commentary on society nor is Rollo proposing… Read more »

bluepillprofessor
5 years ago

@BPP: seriously? Did you miss the part that she started mercilessly shit testing him (because he is not giving her what she wants, in this case, kids which is a pretty big deal)? That is not a unicorn.

Drunk post. Well, got out of work early high post. My point was that he can fix the shit testing easily but you are right, probably not if she is shit testing him about wanting kids. I did miss that part.

Driver
Driver
5 years ago

Very interesting. Corporations opting to make these concessions (freezing eggs) for women shows exactly how men and women are not equal. This reality should be a dead smack in the face to all women who believe in the narrative. But, as most of us know, women will only see this as something that they are entitled to or should have been given in all fairness (it’s the “having it all mentality” like they believe that all men have in life). If men and women are equal, then why is society having to bend so much to give women that equal… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Thwack:

When it comes right down to it, there were basically two people who drove me abandon CH. One of them was that other guy.

joe
joe
5 years ago

The red pill is really making me hate women. Even supposed experts think just saying ‘Trump is racist’ wins an argument and proves anything. They don’t even ask if racism exists, if its adaptive, if Whites are the main victims. No, just drop the r-bomb and its settled. As most male presenters are WKs they get away with it. Yet if you q their right to vote, they seem genuinely outraged. They are totally blind to their own idiocy. Racism – racism racism… Its just a word, dumb bitches, not a real thing like water or oxygen!

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” They don’t even ask if racism exists, if its adaptive, if Whites are the main victims.”

You are wrong in one small, but important, detail. They stipulate that racism exists. They define it as White.

Dropping the r-bomb annoys them, because they feel they shouldn’t have to be forced to explicitly state the axiomatic all the time.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago
Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Thwack

“when Im done scrubbin the pavement with your face; I’ll tap dance on your mothers grave, dig it up and stomp her bones.
Now run and tell CH you super cunt.
excuse me; super WHITE cunt.”

Excellent display of your impulse control… Look Rollo has a nice place here, don’t go messing it up with your racism.

Post something useful for a change.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“You can’t make meaningful change without first having self-knowledge. That is a process that is encouraged and discussed here, and where appropriate, men wrestle and suffer with our ” innate ” stuff. It’s not possible for men to help and correct each other by trying to be ultra positive and non-offensive. There are hard truths that are not pretty in their current context. In the proper context, they make all the sense in the world.” I woke up this morning and realized why Blaximus wrote that and Tyler cogently and cohesively rambled on for nearly two hours in that video… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Excellent display of your impulse control…”

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Thwack is a pep talk for WNs. lol

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Sentient – You provoked Thwack. I don’t resort to threats of physical violence here or anywhere on the interwebs, but you and Joe are most certainly racist cunts. @Thwack – You keep doing the violent threat thing and that just isn’t how we roll here. But I for one don’t mind your views and in fact think more white guys who think they are victims of racism (rolling on the floor laughing my ass off) need to actually hear the perspective of a black man spoken unapologetically. Note to all the alt right, race realist shit-for-brains pseudo-intellectual ponces out there.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . more white guys who think they are victims of racism (rolling on the floor laughing my ass off) need to actually hear the perspective of a black man spoken unapologetically.”

My earliest memories are of being the token white kid in the projects.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Rollo – I bailed on the Tyler vid a while back cuz it’s just so long. I’ve done this with lots of game vids but now that I see game much more profoundly I have an appetite for the long ones. Just finishing the vid now and wow, he’s actually profound. I went through my Eckhardt Tolle phase 13 years ago when I was a buddhist and set him aside but the things about the “pain body” and energy and “presence” and how we create things via our intention are spot on. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Tolle… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

An area that doesn’t get talked about much, female attraction to male glutes. Need a post on this lol, my glutes are jacked from all the squatting and deadlifting and have gotten pinched several times at bars and clubs.

thwack
thwack
5 years ago

scribblerg

@Thwack – You keep doing the violent threat thing and that just isn’t how we roll here.
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Would you “roll” like that if Sentient was a pedophile plotting with other child molesters to abuse children?

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

I’m an endurance cyclist, so even though my biceps are rather better developed than the average cyclist’s, especially now that I’ve switched from European road racing distances to more track like distances, it isn’t all that common for a woman to ask to feel my biceps.

But damn do I have to watch my ass, because they feel free to just help themselves.

thwack
thwack
5 years ago

(my reply to hank that got eaten) hank holiday March 1st, 2016 at 10:21 am @thwak sure, you can take all the white girls. but you’ve got lots of competition. ————————————————————————————————- Hank, I never said I want to keep them? You can have them all back when Im finished. BTW, you got any dirt bikes layin around? You still dont understand the obsession with white girls? How bout yellow fever? Coke over Pepsi? Well alright, if that’s really your thing that’s okay i guess. but i can’t help but think deep down there’s something seriously wrong with you lol. i’m… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@KFG – I’m only going to do this once because slipping into negative energy is a trap I’m trying increasingly to avoid. But perhaps some of you race realists will at least appreciate my thoughts: 1. Of course racism exists in more dimensions than just whites oppressing blacks. I agree with much of the critique of “anti-racism” and even some of the “anti-white” themes that you guys subscribe to. But here’s the thing, that doesn’t mean we didn’t have real, pernicious, deep, institutionalized anti-black racism in this society and that there aren’t vestiges of it still extant. And to compare… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Glenn, all I saw in your comment was the jizz all over your face.

I’m probably one of the really least-racist guys here, but I despise bullies. You. Are. A. Trolling. Bully.

Racists like thwack and sentient are far preferable to bullies.

Maybe your bullying comes from your inner insecurity.

stuffinbox
5 years ago

Allowing menstruating women a leave may be seen as feminism.Forcing them to leave would be seen as patriarchy.Either way when they leave it creates a healthier happier more productive work environment.Never mind the question of how we got here in the first place.

Maybe hire millennials get women to lead them and once a month give everyone 7 days off for good behavior.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ Glenn

Saw your retraction after cross-posting. Apologies. I do despise bullies. If anyone tries to bully me, I just want to be continually in their face. It comes from continually fighting bullies from my childhood.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . to compare the anti-whiteness out there now with the racism blacks experienced is to compare a cut to having your head lopped off.” And I have roamed further from home than the mall at the edge of town. I have been beaten by mobs, daily. I have been surrounded by the actual Spanish Inquisition (and no, I did not expect it) in full battle gear and stared into the hatred in their eyes. My cousin spent a year in one of Franco’s prisons and I have been ostracised from social settings. And my ancestors include slaves… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

We could end the worries about deflation,by forcing any company w/ more than 50 employees to pay for surrogate mothers after 20yrs employment.Then pass the cost of to the consumer.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Racists like thwack and sentient are far preferable to bullies.”

But it doesn’t prevent them from being annoying as fuck.

thwack
thwack
5 years ago

Bromeo
my glutes are jacked from all the squatting and deadlifting and have gotten pinched several times at bars and clubs.
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Did you punch him?
(lol, just kiddin)

Indeed you are correct sir. I confess my early ignorance of female appreciation of the male physical form; especially some of the lesser know male secondary sexual characteristics.

Its important for us men NOT to project our qualifications of “maleness” on to women. They like what they like because they like it and we aren’t really qualified to challenge them.

I like fried chicken and watermelon.

stuffinbox
5 years ago

Some archaeology studies suggest that pre. agrarian menstruating women were isolated together in a central shelter for protection.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ thwack

I like fried chicken and watermelon.

WN bait, lol.

Seriously, I like greens and blackeyed peas. Bean soup, too, with hambones. And cornbread, either sweet or not, doesn’t matter.

I like bird thighs and breasts, heh.

Chump No More
Chump No More
5 years ago

@Blax
“Truth? That small dick thing is bullshit. It’s subterfuge for a larger issue. Bitch got bored. Can’t turn a Hoe into a housewife. I keep telling these young cats that. But chicks get a kick out of hearing that kind of major insult. Makes me wanna pull out muh dick and slap them all across the forehead. Like Moe slaps Curly.”

Bro, you are, by far, my favorite poster here.

And yeah, it’s been well documented on the interwebz out of the mouth of ‘babes’ that small dick = no alpha. It’s their go-to insult.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scribblerg

Oh my… I’m are racist cunt am I? Such kind words bro. And you base this on what, calling Thwack out on his inane endless stream of racism, the kind that peppered every thread at CH? And that he will continue to do so here, thereby destroying another comment section (hint he is already doing a good job).

I look forward to your producing any posts that back your idle assertion.

L o L

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

As per SNL Settl Ad, Rollo has discussed the epiphany phase when women do settle for betas. https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/settl/2949238 http://therationalmale.com/2012/12/19/the-epiphany-phase/ Why do they settle? Provisioning is no longer a survival question. Sex in the City has convinced them they don’t need to marry right way. They may not be able to score with the best alphas but they don’t need to settle for sex with pure betas. They don’t need to do a Sheryl Sandberg, and feel that for betas, “over time nothing is sexier” Rollo writes: … at the crossroads of acknowledging her decaying SMV, the need for long term… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Stuffinbox “Allowing menstruating women a leave may be seen as feminism.Forcing them to leave would be seen as patriarchy.Either way when they leave it creates a healthier happier more productive work environment.Never mind the question of how we got here in the first place.” That’s funny right there. I was actually thinking yesterday after work while driving home that wouldn’t it be nice to post on the calendar at work, the menstrual cycles of the nine women I employ in my 1600 sq. ft. office. Perhaps if the bitchiest one of the group (and they are not as a rule… Read more »

SD
SD
5 years ago

@Redlight. Hypergamy isn’t rational. It’s survival instinct honed through millennia of natural selection , instinct which is totally incompatible with modern civilized society. Women indeed want babies, but they will execute that primal desire by way of their hypergamous instinct . Part of that drive is a constant state of insecurity (something Rollo has mentioned here already). Regardless of the facts of her living condition a woman will never feel secure in her position. She’s always looking for the better deal, whether the beta next to her is a sultan or a salaryman. BTW: when a woman says she doesn’t… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

The SNL video on the Settl app rolls over onto a SNL video skit of “28 Reasons to hug a Black Guy”.

Reason #1: Blaximus posts some really great stuff here.

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/28-reasons/n45818

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Scribble Please don’t bring the racist crap here. You guys have plenty of other sites where you can discuss that stuff to your heart’s content. We are about something other than that here. That’s fuckin’ rich! You accused Rollo of being a closet racist in a previous post just because he mentioned Roosh, and now you interject yourself into two other people’s conversations instead of just letting them fizzle out. As the self-professed “authority” on racial understanding here, you keep this topic going just as much at anybody else. Do you see the irony of this, or am I just… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Culum @scribblerg @kobayashi et al – I saw some of that documentary and it was just rage inducing. Understandable..but rage inducing. i understand the rage impulse, but just remember… ALL of those girls are having sex with someone… it’s just not the guys ‘paying’ them… their hindbrains will be demanding that happens bc they are young/fertile…lol…and a couple have kids, right? (or not…bc they never meet a man who can pass their shit tests…lol) (but THAT would never make it into the documentary bc then the money would dry up…lol…and i noticed that they actually made an effort to present… Read more »

Eon56
Eon56
5 years ago

I know I clicked post on the comments I tried to post. I hope I don’t have to write them out again. Seeing if this goes through

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Sentient, don’t worry about Glenn. You’re my no. 1 poster anywhere. Respect given.

Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

It is important to remember (and first know or admit) that the basic female imperative is personal freedom; freedom from responsibility, freedom to binge on self-indulgence at the expense of men, freedom to receive unearned respect. @ Rollo “Women want an assurance of Hypergamous optimization.” True, they want it all. They exercise their power to create gluttony of self-entitlements. They are free to do this because they no longer are harnessed by nature as they are released into freedom by man’s technological creations. Furthermore, man’s imbecilic neurotic obsession with “romance” inhibits him from restraining her. Her power primarily emanates from… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“I like fried chicken and watermelon.”

Africa gave the world watermelon. Chicken, however, is Chinese. Watch your cultural appropriation.

“Some archaeology studies suggest that pre. agrarian menstruating women were isolated together in a central shelter for protection.”

Pre-agrarian? That’s Old Testament law.

Which points to one of the downsides to a good, old fashioned harem: their cycles sync.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
5 years ago

@Not Born This Morning

Fanny enough, women seem to enjoy regularly “indulging” in being restrained. Heh. Go figure.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
5 years ago

@All

I’d like to tell you all that I’m so glad you exist. Being that the title of this article is called “Assurances”, I’d like to assure you that you’ve made one hell of a difference in my life.

Thank you.

Shiva
Shiva
5 years ago

@Bromeo “This. Game as a concept itself was created in order to mimic a natural alpha. This is why I don’t care much in investing my time and effort into all these PUA videos and strategies, the end game is not needing any of it. I would rather focus all my time and energy on the internal component and raising value higher. Think about it, if you were to keep increasing your value and manifest natural responses/manners then you need zero “learned game”, its all natural.” This is like wanting to be a scientist while having condescending attitude towards lab… Read more »

ETA
ETA
5 years ago

@Rollo

I was just about to post the same link…
To balance that decision I suggest companies offer paid vacations to the Netherlands for men to release accumulated sexual stress, every month or two. I’d call it “Blue Balls Leave”

Razorwire
Razorwire
5 years ago

@Redlight re: SNL Settl Never seems to get old. Is it funny because it is a sad truth that women are missing their window to marriage/babies and all we can do is laugh or is it funny because men are failing to man-up, perform to the natural, god-given expectations that these women are entitled to? Combo? The framing remains sold. Nothing is stated as to the worth, status, or qualities of the women. But we can see them. And none of them are attractive. Even a skit about post-wall, unattractive women implies that these men must qualify to them, and… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“Thats why MGTOWs consider PUAs a shit. PUAs are not de-facto red-pilled. Any one who is blue pilled has the above issue.” The teaching doesn’t seem to be that much different than what is taught here. Self improvement, overcome social conditioning, don’t make women the center of your existence… They dont exactly gloss over the fact that you can fuck chicks that have boyfriends… I don’t see how it isn’t red pill. The idea is that failed approaches kill your ego and once it is torn away you can base your self-worth internally. I guess if you just naturally have… Read more »

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

@Razorwire thanks for your comments, spot on Changing subjects, here’s an article on how Western Feminists are fighting for women’s rights in Afghanistan oh, sorry, could not find anything like that, so here’s the closest thing: Feminist fighting for how men should react to a woman winning an Oscar The treatment of British costume designer Jenny Beavan as she won her Oscar for Mad Max: Fury Road was profoundly awful. A series of men in the seats lining the long walk to the stage — important men are always given easy access — stared at her with open loathing, refusing… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@scribbler next time, just ask both of them back to your place to avoid any confusion. …. oy… i kno you’re getting in touch with your id and poking around against a few of the edges of the paradigm. just takes time. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmrfwnNGlQ1qby36ho1_400.gif main thing to do is let go. women will fuck anyone given the right set of circumstances. it really is a jungle out there. you gotta get in there and live like a lizard for awhile to see how it is. the lines you made up….the good thing is that you’re saying something. the bad thing is… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Period leave??? What is the purpose of defining this situation as such? It’s another FI gift that makes simple ” sick leave ” more femcentric. Lmao. Grew up with 3 sisters, so I get the whole ” Owww…. mah period ” thing, but a sick day is a sick day is a sick day….. I don’t want a specific ” has the shits ” day. I don’t want any other descriptors besides ” sick “. As for the ” brilliant ” woman getting humiliated – http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/03/02/the-men-of-the-oscars-humiliate-a-brilliant-woman-mallick.html Mad Max was a horrid flick the took home an armload of awards. I… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

@Shiva “Thats why MGTOWs consider PUAs a shit. PUAs are not de-facto red-pilled. Any one who is blue pilled has the above issue.” What I wrote there is actually describing someone who is RP, don’t get me wrong, PUA’s def deserve respect to a point but they are purely operating on “learned game”, to the point where they see no use for internal game or raising value, in their minds its not even required because “learned game” trumps all, I see it all the time, “you don’t need to be jacked, you don’t need money or a sick car, just… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

My company is going through a multi-million dollar restroom renovation as I type this. 18 bathrooms. give or take. The women’s bathrooms had been traditionally equipped with couches and a small end table with ( imitation ) flowers. The couches have been removed for the reno, but in their place there are… milking stations? No, that’s not right… Breast feeding areas. I haven’t seen them, but my understanding is that it was requested by women that work here so that they could pump their milk. In comfort. In the men’s room we have sinks, toilets, and urinals. Nada mas. I’m… Read more »

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
5 years ago

“What’s missing here? Babies” Can definitely attest to that, I have an acquaintance (SMV 9 in the past) that didn’t recognise my existence for over a decade but now that she’s 37 I am all of a sudden the bees knees. “The things about the “pain body” and energy and “presence” and how we create things via our intention are spot on.” I’m finding intention interesting in how it relates to women, my internal monologue is, ” Just leave me the fuck alone.” But the effect is the opposite, I get women opening up to me without my input, even… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ SJF ” That’s funny right there. I was actually thinking yesterday after work while driving home that wouldn’t it be nice to post on the calendar at work, the menstrual cycles of the nine women I employ in my 1600 sq. ft. office.” Lol. That should actually be a safety requirement enforced by OSHA. In a perfect world, all of your female staff would simply sync up. I got wife and 2 daughters at home, along with a female cat that goes into estrus regularly. The ” cat-in-heat ” thing is hilarious. If I detect that any one of… Read more »

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
5 years ago

@Newt If it hurts that bad maybe you need to reconsider whether you want a family or not. If you someday decide you do, you will most likely be settling for someone who will never be as strongly bonded to you as this woman. Not oneitis, just fact, you’ve been with her since 19. I’m not urging to you be family oriented, but know that you’ll not likely pull it off at 38 with a 22 year old, which is what it would require to have the low N count, quality bond again. Chances are you will instead choose to… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Razorwire ” A man has a job, but not a high status job, he may not own a car (low status – unless urban SWPL “by choice”) or he may go to bed early (low social value, boring). The men may not be high status, but they are not violent ex-cons, druggies, or mentally impaired. They are average. They are likely stable. = BORING, no tingles.” Ahhhh yes. We tend to focus on ” status “, but it has been my experience in life that when women are involved, status is anything but static in concept for them. Young(er)… Read more »

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

@TuffLuv: it is an interesting perspective but I think still incorrect. If Newton doesn’t want to have kids in this relationship when it was going well, I’m not sure he would be likely to want to have kids in the relationship after it gone sour, or in future relationships that as you point out are likely to be less stable. It is very important to note the relationship deteriorated before he decided to end it, and accepting the deterioration and rewarding it by giving in (or worse, going back now after ending and giving in) is a massive loss of… Read more »

YaReally
YaReally
5 years ago

@Bromeo “PUA’s def deserve respect to a point but they are purely operating on “learned game”, to the point where they see no use for internal game” Want me to link like 400 PUA vids about internal game? “or raising value, in their minds its not even required because “learned game” trumps all, I see it all the time, “you don’t need to be jacked, you don’t need money or a sick car, just get out there and practice game bro”” Yup. You don’t NEED those things to get hot girls. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make those things into… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

Many males in our culture now essentially perform as effeminate males. This is not to imply they are gay, transgender, transsexual or transvestite. They are effeminate in their fundamental approach. Their basic perception is from a submissive position. They consider themselves inherently unworthy of female attention without achieving a certain performance criteria which they hope to achieve primarily to acquire female approval. Their efforts are the result of their submission to and deference to female authority. This is why the business of “game” and PUA coaching sells. This is why the manosphere including this blog attracts so much male attention.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Anecdote #4729 I was fucking chicks everywhere I could as a teen. Of course, I didn’t have a place..zfg… High school, worked at McDonalds after school in rural Virginia. Was given a car that was on it’s way to the junk yard. Shoehorned a big block engine into it, paint job ( self applied ) new interior and wheels, BOOM!!! Sick ass car. Still fucking chicks. Then I got older and got a more profitable job. Still fucking chicks. Then I got an attic apartment with sloped ceilings. Really fucking chicks. Pulled 1968 mustang fastback out of junkyard, restored it… Read more »

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

@Rollo: On being alpha-
Well said sensei. I think our fellow men struggle to understand that, that “there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path,” as Morpheus would put it…
Also, that in this system, & more so with women, some rules can be bent and others broken, by betas, but especially by those who have an alpha mindset. In fact, you create your own rules…
It’s always better, IMO, to internalize RP all the way…a man can only fake it so long.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

comments frozen. thanks wordpress.

hank holiday
hank holiday
5 years ago

@culum Its not quite that bad. Where I live there are SOME 7-8s, and a few 9-10s, but they are VERY hard to find. Likewise, there are SOME asians and latinas — like the 7 Brazilian vendor I was talking about the other day. Thing is, you have to do a lot of research and social netwoking to find those. In PIMP, julien talks about the process of how you befriend bouncers to get into the clubs where the turbo hotties go. You have to do something like “bouncer game” just to get into the ethnic communities where the 5-6… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Blax &SJF
Attention all ladies new OSHA req, please fill in your position on the Aunt Flo calendar before your swing shift ends. Now that’s funny I don’t care who you are.

Married FR,took the day to go fishing. Climbed to 10k el, lake found first open water at inlet.. Snow everywhere no tracks,that’s cool. Fn knocked em dead and one trophy cut bow.
Game; wet scud 14ft taper old steel telescopic fly rod and wet backer.

digireaper
digireaper
5 years ago

@YaReally At this moment I have mixed feelings regarding the current situation in my life. I have been working in the same job for the past 4 years and although it pays me well, I feel that I stagnated in my career and I feel guilty about that, I feel worse knowing I haven’t spent my free time studying to get a masters degree or a certification, instead I have been spending most of my time in the past year and a half working out, trying to get in better shape, yet I still don’t have the sexual life I… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Digi
Only make one change at a time. Try the solo home move, or get a good wing man for a roomate. This is what I always did , we used to leave a pair of socks out if we had a chick in house for a dnd. Always had a lot of fun till my last roomy -wing stole my gal & married her lol stupid.

Wild Man
Wild Man
5 years ago

Hey Blaximus: “….if you understand some things that they need you to understand.” Mmmm, … never heard it said quite that way. Blaximus – I’m hoping you can help me out on this. I’m just fine being me but wouldn’t mind being a little less mystified by the ladies. This redpill stuff just keeps going around and around in endless loops for me (not the man part – I know who I am, but I mean the woman part). I want to pull the trigger and kill the target already (wrt my perspective on women I mean). I just can’t… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
5 years ago

Hey NBTM – you keep making some pretty interesting comments. I don’t know if I fully understand all your points but some of the stuff you say rings true to me. Like your latest comment – ya – I find it really weird myself why there is even a discussion about MPO. How could you not be your own mental point of origin? How would that even be possible (unless you believe you have no agency)? Makes no sense to me. I don’t get it. Everybody is their own mental point of origin (and if a person thinks otherwise they… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
5 years ago

@Rugby: Right at the beginning of this thread, you quoted from Rollo’s article: “Those social structures, religions doctrines and various cultural norms are contingent insurances against the results of a society based on unfettered Hypergamy.” Then you said: “Rollo what are some ways to calm myself down knowing this creates anger and frustration by witnessing it?” For whatever it might be worth coming for me, I think I know what you mean by that (and even if it wasn’t specifically due to unfettered hypergamy, but instead due to an amalgamation of various other coercive social forces, either sourced in biology… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
5 years ago

@Digireaper

“Ya don’t have to be beautiful, to be understood.”

“Ya don’t have to be rich and famous…to be good.”

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

Tuffluv: “It’s totally understandable if you go all PUA-decade. Rock the world, brother! But from your sappy, whiny cry for help, it sounds like your conscience and propensity for regret might crash your party a little bit. Sounds like maybe you haven’t completely killed that heart just yet. You didn’t put the girl on a pedestal, but she sounds like a fair complement to you. Maybe you think she’s worthy. You’ll find much pussy in the next decade, but you’ll not find much worthiness. Pointing these things out because the coin has two sides, and unlike others here I am… Read more »

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

A happy life is a collection of happy moments, meant to say.

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

I’m reminded of the parable of the Chinese farmer. Once there was a Chinese farmer who worked his poor farm together with his son and their horse. When the horse ran off one day, neighbors came to say, “How unfortunate for you!” The farmer replied, “Maybe yes, maybe no.” When the horse returned, followed by a herd of wild horses, the neighbors gathered around and exclaimed, “What good luck for you!” The farmer stayed calm and replied, “Maybe yes, maybe no.” While trying to tame one of wild horses, the farmer’s son fell, and broke his leg. He had to… Read more »

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

Here’s another article on how Western Feminists are fighting for women’s rights in Afghanistan

okay, sorry, we still don’t have that. We do have, at the InterConnect technical conference:

[em]DeLuca and her 5-month-old daughter made their rounds throughout the booth space and speaker sessions … when Deluca reports an unidentified man came up and chastised her for having a baby at InterConnect. …thanks to women like Lisa DeLuca, who are courageously paving the way, the technology industry is poised to take on similar initiatives and be better for it.[/em]

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/would-you-bring-your-baby-professional-conference-anna-seacat

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Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

@YaReally “The order of my priorities were the reverse of the blue pill “work hard and get a good job in your 20s, then find a wife in your 30s” order ’cause I figured out fast that I’d rather be running around nightclubs in my 20s learning game than in my late 30s.” You’re missing the point here, you don’t need to separate learning game and increasing value between different time periods of your life. You can easily do both at the same time which compounds gains at a vastly increased rate. Once I started my career in early to… Read more »

Seraph
Seraph
5 years ago

@SJF March 1st, 2016 at 7:01 pm Thanks VERY much for that link… I have found myself in a deep, dark whole of despair and disatisfaction lately, and have been struggling to figure out what the hell the problem is, especially since I had hit such a positive high a couple of years back. Thinking back on that burst of positive energy and outlook, I realize that it was a period of great sense of achievement after hard work, and then a burst of new productivity and creativity which unfortunately then cycled down into what is almost a 100% consumption… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“You’re missing the point here, you don’t need to separate learning game and increasing value between different time periods of your life.”

If you’re working towards your goals and enjoying the journey why would it matter how you go about it? Everyone has to choose their own path.

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Digi:

I tried to approach some women for directions, like some guys mentioned here, to a pharmacy store and I couldn’t do it, I feel like I’m lying

Don’t consider it lying; consider it indirect foreplay. Girls wear make-up; are they lying? lol.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

If you know where the pharmacy is:

I don’t know where the pharmacy is.” = lying

Could you tell me where the pharmacy is?” = inquiry to determine the degree of local knowledge

Chump No More
Chump No More
5 years ago

@Tuffluv “My experience as a young father, as well as a 5-generation tradition of young parenthood in my extended family has placed the observable effects of true pair-bonding front and center. There are some divorces, including mine at 20 years.” Wow, bro, very interesting parallels. 1st marriage at 20yo and 1st kid at 22, imploded after 20 years. Why to all of the above? Raised by parents with marriage 1.0 values in a marriage 2.0 world. “The formula seems simple.. choose well. Choose a woman (or man) who was raised right, and lacks neuroses. Simple as that. I did not… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@All – So many good, honest, introspective comments on this thread that I can’t possibly name them all, but I just want to say thanks! This is why I come here, I learn so much from men sharing their hopes/frustrations/experiences/pov so openly. That said… @Wild – Dude, as another 50something old fuck I hear you but I think you are missing something. First though, don’t ever listen to NBTM. He’s a propaganda agent for the Blue Pill/FI and doesn’t realize it. Yes some of his points make sense but they are disconnected dots of information without a coherent POV. Instead,… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
5 years ago

@Blaximus

Anecdote #4729 is pure fucking gold. “Live & love your life and fuck every chance you get!” Double fucking yup!

A few years back, I lost my way… for all the pathetically unnecessary reasons/rationalizations we all know too well.

But now I’m back at 55yo (lol, no time like the present), with a vengeance and also having a blast.

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@KFG
Your reference to old testament law indicates the mosaic text,that was written in a time nomadic tribalism. While not pre agrarian also not necessarily agrarian.

In context sill discussing a possible return to pre-agrarian sexual dynamics.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Also, a brilliant podcast/talk on how female’s changing roles in society is really playing out economically and socially by a female, non-radfem academic and an economist, Russ Roberts of GMU. The podcast is awesome and makes economics accessible to non-economists.

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2016/02/alison_wolf_on.html

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@ Scribblerg
Agreed when women respond to masculine men,spec ops ,carpenters,blue collar etc,they are realy responding to someone who is more socially aware than say a keyboard jockey.

Dutchman
Dutchman
5 years ago

LOL at the fucking tough guy talk in this thread. It sounds REALLY gay to threaten to beat someone up on the internet.

Anyway, quick update… got desire sex for the first time in a while. Kids were gone when I came home and I asked if she wanted to go upstairs. She said yes and we had awesome sex lol. The end, basically.

Wild Man
Wild Man
5 years ago

@Scribblerg – I see what you are saying and I don’t disagree. I don’t think there is anything wrong with PUA per se (however it does depend upon the underlying deep-seated perspective of the practitioner as to whether it is a healthy endeavor or not). That Owen (Tyler D.) fellow for instance – I didn’t watch all the way through yet, wrt to his vid the Rollo posted, only about half so far, but OK – how could you not highly respect this guy after he has been very truthful about his circumstances and why PUA has been so helpful… Read more »

YaReally
YaReally
5 years ago

@digireaper “For now, my new goal is to change my job and move out from my parents’ house in order to change this situation, man… just thinking in either moving out or changing job makes me feel anxious in doing it.” Often our biggest growth comes from doing the shit that scares us. My favorite story about this is from an oldschool PUA named BradP who talked about how when he was younger he travelled to Europe alone and he was scared shitless, he didn’t speak the language and couldn’t ask for help to even like, figure out how to… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Stuffin – No, they are likely responding to the protection perceived available from such men, which doesn’t excite desire/lust. If they happen to be physically strong and, and even attractive,women will have interest based on that but this also sets the man up to deliver on the perceived high value, which of course most of these men don’t have in intersexual relations so the women quickly lose interest. Most of them are groveling blue pill pussies the moment they encounter a woman they are attracted to. Most of them have also relied on their natural assets and haven’t developed real… Read more »

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

“LOL at the fucking tough guy talk in this thread. It sounds REALLY gay to threaten to beat someone up on the internet.”

Hey now. Don’t make me pick at your pancreas with a darning needle.
Or some other, less imaginative act of violence.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Micro-FR:

Red eye flight. I was exhausted. Hot HB8 blonde stewardess walks past and asks if I want to be left undisturbed (she sees me getting ready to sleep).

Locked EC with very pretty blue eyes and was like “Yes. If you wake me up I may snap your head off” (with a smirk, not a serial killer look). Sure, she’s paid to be polite to me but you could just see the emotional spike go in and the little giggle come out.

Was fun.

Loads of FRs coming up from me over the next couple weeks..

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Wild – Horseshit on stilts. There is nothing about the POV offered here that prevents you from appreciating women or any individual woman as a human being with all that brings. You are making that up in your head, likely as an ego buffer to protect a false consciousness lurking beneath the surface. My guess is that you have given up on being a sexual being and really owning your lust, probably a long time ago (I know, I did it too) and it seems absurd to you to try and reclaim it. The rest is just pure Blue Pill… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Regret is like shitting your own pants, sitting in your crap and then complaining about the smell…

Ha, I turned the tables on this in a post “Pick-me-up approach”. Basically, own your shit and enjoy the smell to lift your spirits. This should help a lot of “lost boys” here. Basically, if you were naughty and had fun, own it and use it to lift your spirits. I used it when out mall-walking and was bored.

https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2016/03/02/pick-me-up-approach/

stuffinbox
5 years ago

The police respond to a call, drunk man w/ pants down wandering around parking lot keys in hand.
Officer; Are you alright?
Drunk; They stole my car!
Officer; Your pants are down.
Drunk; They stole my girlfriend too!

hoellenhund2
5 years ago

I don’t think business only do that which makes financial sense. Financial sense would be not covering frozen eggs. It has nothing to do with the daily ops of the company. It is, in a liberal ( I hate that word, but it fits in the example ) leaning society that is decidedly femcentric, it is only a matter of PR. It is an example of cooperation with women’s hypergamy, at it’s roots. Would companies considered such a thing 20 years ago? 30? Indeed. This corporate policy is a manifestation of the upper class feminist creed of “having it all”,… Read more »

hoellenhund2
5 years ago

Forgot to answer the question:

Would companies considered such a thing 20 years ago? 30?

Obviously not, because the so-called marriage strike and the lack of “good men” wasn’t anywhere near the horizon. Men were mostly not yet adopting to the new mating market, and nobody even thought of asking the question how all those fantastic ball-busting corporate amazons will actually find husbands. If any company had offered such benefits, people would simply have asked WTF.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

More Realtime Micro FR: So, the petite hb7 (my absolute favorite sex partner is a size zero teeny) and the HB4 I know well from the cafe who always eye fucks me are giggling and preening at the counter while I sit working, facing them. I approach and immediately say to the HB4, “So, I met the oddball” which is received with a peel of giggles from both of them. Smalltalk ensues, I talk about some pscyhology that explains some odd customer behavior at the counter, and HB4 introduces me to the HB6 newbie I haven’t met yet. They are… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Scribb
A man of your obvious intelligence should know better than to make generalizations based on anything, even occupation.

Cool you are out there, I am somewhat envious.

Just returning the calls I missed yesterday, bagged and put fish in freeze, wandering around the gardens in my scibbies getting a tan and diong yard work. While checking this blog for intellectual stimulus.

May go up to the hot springs ,but last week the hypergamy and open cucking I saw there just left me pissed the next day.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Dutchman Anyway, quick update… got desire sex for the first time in a while. Kids were gone when I came home and I asked if she wanted to go upstairs. She said yes and we had awesome sex lol. Kids were gone how? Did she manuver them out of the house, or was it some scheduled thing? That is, did she take the kids to the grandparents and drop them off for a while, or was it routine playdate / school / activities? I’m asking because if she’s making even a token effort at logistics to isolate herself with you,… Read more »

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