Outrage Brokers

“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.” – Mark Twain

Well I finally had a chance to watch Roosh vs. the bloggers – there are no journalists left in the world – debate (it was anything but a press conference) and it was about what I expected. Every opportunity these bloggers had was to call him on his beliefs and his position on the state of the world with the intent to dismiss, marginalize or ridicule him.

By my estimate, there wasn’t a single blogger present who was older than 30 and each took turns couching their questions in terms that would challenge his perspectives with respect to their own. They weren’t there to report; they were there to debate questions they’d already written their own answers before going in because, like Roosh, they live and die by the impressions their readers/commenters. Roosh tried to classify them as ‘establishment’ or ‘the media’, but in reality they are bloggers – ‘journalists’ in name only. What they really are is outrage brokers and together they have a symbiotic relationship.

Roosh manufactures outrage, they distribute it to the cubicle workers who want to feel engaged in a world outside their cubes. Roosh cancels the meet ups, the cube workers feel like they’ve won a battle with edgelord shit-head misogynists and the Rooshites (preemptively) declare a victory for raising awareness of the ‘free speech’ Social Justice Warriors want to curb. Ding, ding! Return to your corners for the next round.

All this does nothing to benefit men in the Red Pill awareness even marginal Roosh proponents want to believe is the good that comes from this circus. “At least he’s raising Red Pill awareness. Any press is good press, right?”

Wrong. Ask Subway if they think the press their spokesman Jared Fogel generated with his 15 year sentence for child pørn charges was helpful in raising awareness of how great their sandwiches are. Not that anyone is boycotting Subway sandwiches, but likewise, no one’s minds are changed after Roosh had this presser. Not the bloggers or Twiteratti that hate him, not the Neomasculists who were already onboard with him and certainly no one that’s never heard of the ‘sphere in a public fashion.

Team Roosh and team SJW are still what they are. The fact that we get women and men IRL who know about this “leader of some MRA group who wants to legalize rape” should be evidence enough of the reach this quick hit, easily digestible ‘outrage bite’ has.

It’s easy to say that fence-riding men who’d never heard of the manosphere (the manosphere Roosh disowned, remember?) will be made aware of it and embrace it, but that’s a convenient and unmeasurable metric to justify what really amounts to a very damaging PR fuck up. Or maybe it wasn’t a fuck up? Maybe it went exactly as planned; maybe even more successful than planned.

Let me be clear, this is not an apologetic. Roosh masterfully turned (intentional or not) this to his advantage by playing all the bloggers present in the room to his narrative on his terms. He did exactly what he should’ve – no apologies, no admissions of guilt, and he forced these tools to play the cards he was dealing. He was handed a golden video op on a silver platter by these young journalists bloggers who knew going in that they were compromising the “journalistic integrity” their communications class teachers told them they had.

My concern isn’t how he handled this, it’s why he put himself (and other men who admire him) into this. My concern is that any genuineness he might’ve had about Neomasculinity is suspect of being just a vehicle for his own notoriety. If that’s the direction he’s chosen to go, if that’s how he’s decided to turn a dollar, I wish him good luck, but he’s become a dishonest broker of outrage at the expense (in some cases physically and financially) of the men who believed he was sincere.

If you read through the Deadbedrooms or Divorce subredds, there are countless men there who would save or change their lives if they embraced Red Pill awareness, but for whatever reason they get violently hostile at any mention of a TRP solution to their circumstances. How many of these fence-riders will look at Roosh and just have all those biases confirmed about TRP now?

Roosh is just playing a character now; one that the outrage brokers want and need:

I wrote about exactly this dynamic on Return of Kings in the only guest post I ever wrote for the site:

If the “postponement” of the ABC 20/20 manosphere “exposé” has taught us anything it’s that the writers seeking to cast light on the manosphere are looking for crazy. They need crazy because it’s the only thing they know how, or have the patience, to confront in as minimal an effort as it takes to type a few paragraphs dismissing it as misogyny.

Writers (vichy male writers) like R. Tod Kelly are also lazy. They see an opportunity for outrage that sells advertising. They wanted Stormfront and what they got was a global consortium of rational, well reasoned men with jobs, families and intelligence, men from all walks of life, all ethnicities, and socioeconomic backgrounds expressing ideas that don’t fit into an acculturation of feminine primacy.

If you read Matt Forney’s 20/20 interview post you’ll see the desperation for crazy in their producer’s attempts to provoke him to become what they think he should be – a frothing, angry, hate-fueled misogynist. That would make it easy for them, they know how to sell crazy. The copy gets approved, the crazies get marginalized and we move on to the next Mabeline commercial.

But they didn’t get crazy from Matt, or Roosh (okay Paul Elam looks a bit like Charles Manson in a certain light)—they got well reasoned, sensibility that was hard to argue against, so they attempted to prompt the crazy by barraging Roosh with questions about rape in the hopes that he’d blow up. He wouldn’t. They wanted it to be easy. They wanted to know all they needed to know about the manosphere by sourcing Manboobz, interviewing three manosphere bloggers and then trot out the crazy, show off the carnival freak, demonize and marginalize him and frog march the crazy off the stage. They wanted fringe, the easy kind of fringe that their journalism, communications and women’s studies classes taught them the easy answers to confront it with.

But the manosphere isn’t fringe. For as much as R. Tod Kelly, or the producers at ABC would like it to be, the manosphere is too broad, too comprehensive, too diverse for anyone unfamiliar with it to really understand it, much less deliver an unbiased objective opinion of it. So Kelly follows formula and makes the same lame attempts at simple aspersion and misogynistic dismissal 20/20 had already failed in doing (as evidenced by their segment’s postponement). The Daily Beast wanted its formulaic red meat, but Kelly is just dishing out ABC’s cold left-overs.

The MSM wants crazy. Crazy gets clicks. There was a time Roosh would’ve responded with far more measured and reasonable responses to these allegations, now he’s found it necessary to adopt the crazy that the MSM wants. He did it artfully, but he’s given them the ugly caricature, the black & white melodramatic misogynist who’s easy to hate.

They want a villain, a misogynist, a chauvinist, a caveman and a guy easily ridiculed in a feminine-primary social order and it appears Roosh is more than happy to give that to them if it means he can profit from it.

The problem with delivering the crazy is that Roosh does so at the expense of men who would otherwise benefit from genuine Red Pill awareness. I approach Red Pill awareness from a bottom up perspective because it is important that men effect real change in their lives and their thinking on a personal level.

I disagree on many ‘doctrinal’ tenets of Neomasculinity for any number of reasons, but the core Red Pill principles Neomasculinity appropriates are still there. Roosh does Red Pill truth-seeking men no favors by making a mockery of those very core principles he claims for the basis of Neomasculinity with his readiness to play a dangerous game with those men’s lives for his personal benefit. All Roosh does in playing this character is polarize men into a team mentality with no real change beyond an Us vs. Them shift.

It might feel good to rally and shake a fist at SJWs and feminists, but it does nothing to educate a man with Red Pill awareness so he knows why he’s in the social conditions he finds himself with women and a large feminine-centric social structure. That takes far more effort and personal investment in that man than simply recruiting him with an easy cause and an easier enemy to hate.

Roosh calling for public meet ups on a RoK six weeks in advance on a site that claims 1 million unique hits a month is not just “a chance for likeminded guys to get together for a beer” it is the bait and the time needed to draw a response from exactly the opposition he’ll complain is out to get him when they predictably do. Granted, that opposition took the bait as predicted, and along with it the outrageous capital he’d hoped to generate, but he’s only going to be able to cry wolf like this so many times before he marginalizes not just himself, but the validity of Red Pill awareness.

In fact that may be forthcoming sooner than he expects. Of course the outrage brokers he hopes to offend will be more than happy for the blog fodder, but at some point he’ll become passé and like PT Barnum he’ll be forced to up his game due to people rolling their eyes at another one of Roosh’s set ups. This is the same formula he’s been using since the London stop of last year’s world tour; he’s got to go bigger on the next push to keep the interest going.

Satire and Irony

 

Roosh suggesting the legalization of rape on private property wasn’t satire. It was irony, it was juxtaposition to expose a counter point – that women need to accept at least some responsibility for the consequences of their sexual indiscretions – it was illustrative sarcasm, and it was an allegorical thought experiment, but it was neither satire nor parody.

It was an essay in exposing the duplicity of women’s hypoagency – the idea that certain individuals (e.g. women) lack agency in their own actions. They lack control. They are not actors … rather, they are acted upon. The corollary to that argument being that they are not responsible for their own actions. Yet the cultural narrative of the omni-empowered, Strong Independent Woman® is completely at odds with exactly women’s hypoagency with regard to rape. They are powerful and purposeful when it serves and entirely unaccountable and blameless when it’s not convenient.

There was an “entirely serious” article written by Femitheist (on Vice no less) not long ago ‘suggesting’ the systematic culling of 90% of the male population. It turned out to be less-than-serious, but it was written in the same vein as Roosh’s rape legalization “satire” to illustrate a counterpoint.

Difference? A woman wrote it.

If a woman had written, verbatim, what Roosh had, the irony wouldn’t have been intentionally missed. There would’ve been some friction for suggesting rape is any woman’s fault, ever, under any circumstance (hypoagency)  – and it would be even more salient had an anti-feminist woman wrote it – but readers would’ve gotten the gist of the irony. Just as they eventually did with Femitheist’s article.

If a homosexual like Milo Yianopoulos had written it, he’d have been met with the same friction, perhaps even more censorship at his speaking engagements, but readers would’ve gotten the irony – and with a giggle because he’s a cheeky Brit with fabulously gay bleached hair.

Outrage Sells

We live in an age of outrage media. I’ve written in the past about how women need indignation as part of their innate solipsistic make up, so it follows that in an era where men are feminized to the point that they think wearing skirts and heels are a legitimate form of protest against mass rape that fem-men would also lap up the same indignation. They lap it up because they identify with the feminine, with being women themselves.

All one need do today is search for “Rapsit beaten by” on YouTube or Google to see just how far that rape hysteria has ensaturated society. Label a man a ‘rapist’ in the slightest degree of seriousness and you have carte blanche to kill him or destroy his life and livelihood. No doubt Roosh is aware of this judging from the volume of death threats he’s received for the mere perception that he may be a rapist or the oblivious lack of critical thought that he’d seriously advocate for legalizing rape.

He knows this because he’s written, in my opinion, one of the most insightful essays on exactly this social order – The Most Insidious Method of Control Never Devised.

Roosh wrote the seminal essay on how insidious the threat of “stealing a man’s bread” has in controlling his decisions and silencing him. This is why it pains me to see Tweets like this after so elaborate an effort of publicity at the potential cost of other men’s bread – men who believe in the sincerity of what’s only a vehicle for his notoriety now:

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/696825522727317504

I had to reconsidered doing this breakdown of Roosh’s very blatant attention trolling at the expense of anyone who would’ve thought his intents were genuine about organizing a world wide meeting of the tribes. I’m in a difficult position here.

By posting I get tagged with not being cooperative to the manosphere on whole by exposing Roosh for the marketeer he’s regretably turning himself into. On Twitter and the previous thread I get accused of cutting Roosh off at the knees for not being a team player because “any press is good press” (false) and even if he is the Svengali he is, well, at least the ‘sphere is getting some spill-over publicity.

I say that’s bullshit, and then I’m reminded of my own reasons for involving myself in writing what I do and who I write for.

Not only is it bullshit, but it’s bullshit that damages the capital that the ‘sphere collectively has developed for over a decade now. Roosh isn’t making any new converts to Neomasculinity or anything else with this, and while his epic trolling of SJWs and fem-stream media bloggers deserves the highest praise, it’s regrettable the cost should come from men who are genuinely looking for the answer Red Pill awareness provides.


 

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scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Forge – “you’re talking about the optimal way to distribute resources before you’ve figured out how and from what they’re going to be produced.” Brilliant summation of the “Planners Dilemma”. A macro-economic mindset of any sort seems to mostly ignore how the factors of production align themselves and the actions of risk takers and property owners. Joseph Stiglitz, a brilliant imbecile and noted economist (actually a social engineer), admitted this in a book he wrote in the early 2000s. The only missing element for “planning” production were ‘the co-variance matrices’ – you know, that actual causal relationships between agents/institutions in… Read more »

stuffinbox
6 years ago

@bob And now they have found ways to include “acceptable amounts” of toxic waste into marketable products and sell them to the consumer.Like concrete stain w/ hexavaleant chrome not necessarily part of the process.
Would you term this positive externality? Or a legitimate profitable scam?

YaReally
6 years ago

Sorry to interrupt the market economics discussion, buuuuuut: @Truman “you’ve mentioned a video before called squirting 101, is it this one?” No it’s legitimately called Squirting 101 lol The vid you linked is actually a dude from the oldschool PUA community (Ideagasms, incase the vid link ever stops working and someone sees this in my archive). That one is good to watch too though, just to fully understand 1) a lot of it is mental, the more relaxed and turned on and non-judged she feels the better she’ll be able to squirt and 2) how it can look if you… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

@Yareally and whoever else might be interested “Tyler explains in the second half of his breakdown of the infield that girls think he’s rich because of his confident subcomms that they think “well he’s ugly so his confidence has to be based on having money or owning the bar or being a celebrity or SOMETHING, he couldn’t just BE confident that doesn’t make sense by society’s value-system!” “Like he points out in the second half that it’s his subcomms of being an old man that are doing the work for him, which is basically what your alpha triad stuff is… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“How is wealth created in a free market?”

Heheh,

YaReally got Scribbler’s question right by implication: individuals seek to meet their own needs by meeting the needs and wants of others.

In the process of providing for themselves, people generate the capital and innovations that yield economic growth, improving living standards and enabling society to advance.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Ditto for Rollo’s Mental Point of origin on “How is Wealth Created in a Free Market?”. Who said you can’t tie Economics to Game?: By now I’m sure that much of this comes off as some encouragement towards a retaliatory selfishness or narcissism capitalism or greed, but putting oneself as his own point of origin doesn’t have to mean being anti-social a wealthy bastard or sociopathic greedy. It requires a conscious decision to override an internalized understanding of oneself one’s capital needs, but by placing yourself as your mental point of origin capital generator you are better positioned to help… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Sentient “So yes it is NOT age. and again it is subcomms…” Ya, I didn’t mean to imply it was age if that’s how it came across in my writing lol I like the solid oak tree analogy…the girl (or most guys) are like squirrels skittering around on the branches and a guy who’s grounded, centered, got his confidence based internally, authentic, whatever you want to call it, is like the thick solid oak tree. Thing is it takes a long time (aka lots of field experience interacting with lots of different people) to GET that solid vibe, so it… Read more »

Divided Line
6 years ago

@scribbleberg

“How is wealth created in a free market?”

How much is the world’s only sandwich worth to a starving person? Does that answer the question?

bob
bob
6 years ago

Who’s indicting capitalism? Surplus is created. Different goods are surplus of different groups. Trade. Comparative advantage. Ahhh, gold! Shiny bauble metal. I likes. Let’s make it lighter….we’ll use paper! Let the games begin! Nothing wrong with capitalism. What you see around you is not capitalism. Its a mix: capitalism, fiat currencies, casino stock markets, entry-deterrence, captured regulators…….. Very complex. Pure capitalism collapses. pure state ownership collapses. Modern economies are a mix, on a continuum. Add in a trend of reversion to feudalism and technological change…..heady stuff. The average person cannot begin to understand the global economy. Q: why is it… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Hint on free markets:

Wealth is created by very specific kinds of exchanges of property between two parties.

What are the necessary characteristics of these exchanges in order for them to create wealth? Give an example of this kind of exchange.

For the purposes of this conversation, let’s leave asset appreciation to the side for a moment, as they are essentially savings.
Carry on..

@Ya et al – Great stuff, learning tons. Thanks.

sentient
sentient
6 years ago

Culum, Forge, maybe Sun… I don’t get the whole game on game off mentality. Like being busy with work will happen and might curtail heavy nightlife activity…. however game and girls are all around you… Maybe I’m frustrated because I only really do pick up in other towns… damn… girls are everywhere… get after it! The “what are you doing for Valentine’s Day” opener is about as easy as it gets… have a few lines for if she is doing something (i.e. tease about boring romantic dinner or something) as well as a few for the “nothing” responses… Just came… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

An exchange of property needs a medium of exchange. A medium of exchange needs to have constant inherent value of its own or it must be firmly linked to a definite basket of goods and services. It should have constant intrinsic value and stable purchasing power. It would do well to be common and accessible, have constant utility, low cost of preservation, transportability, divisibility, perhaps high market value in relation to volume and weight and recognisability. It should have intrinsic value or it must be firmly linked to a definite basket of goods and services. An example is: I’ll give… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

I guess that was repetitive.

bob
bob
6 years ago

By the mid-70’s, developed economies simultaneously stagnated whilst inflation rose: by the late 70’s some homeowners were paying as much as 17% on mortgages. Discuss ‘stagflation’ as a phenomena. Bonus points: discuss Nixon’s monetary policy.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Bonus points: discuss Nixon’s monetary policy.”

Getting ass raped by de Gaulle and scrambling to find some Vaseline.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“How much is the world’s only sandwich worth to a starving person?”

One .22LR cartridge.

bob
bob
6 years ago

@kfg: top marks for vivid imagery.
Survey says: petrodollar deal with the saudis; fully decoupling gold from freedom fries.
Why do Americans hate the French with such intensity? Who really cares if Nixon got bent over? !They funded your ‘revolution’, non? Were is the love, la fraternite? I’m puzzled. Still pissed about Iraq? They had a nice deal set up for sweet Iraqi crude and you guys cockblocked ’em.
Ahh, revenge: the purest emotion.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Case in point: Roosh and Tyler are the same age, Wowf. So, men, say you have an hour to kill between appointments, which of the two would you hang out with – coffee, beer, whatever? Which would pump your state up, which would bring you down? Some of RooshV’s stuff lately kind of reminds me of the Very Serious Guy in the dorms who was always outraged about this or that, maybe in a low energy way — but it was just tiring to be around that guy, you know? Just dragging everyone else down in a Very Serious way.… Read more »

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
6 years ago

Sam Spade “I recommend Red Pill men disabuse themselves of the silly notion that the Manosphere is some big wonderful collective where we all have the same interests” Get ti fuck Humphrey ya dobber. I’m fi Glasgow and I came here for a fight. Is The Most Interesting Man In The World a.k.a. Glenn still guffing off inna golf-club stylee hereabouts? Buy and sell the haill jing-bang lot o’ us the morn’, so he could. And fight us ti fuckan deith and all, while lecturing us about Communism, which nae ither cunt is aware of. (Shutttit Divided Line, don’t give… Read more »

Glengarry
Glengarry
6 years ago

Heh, I like xsplat even if he seems to be the sort of guy who always starts arguing loudly with the host and gets thrown out. He’s a one of a kind. I’m not sure why all you marketing people are so down on Roosh, he’s separating from your core strategic area which you now can dominate even further. That’s a gift being handed over, right? He wants to fight the SJW fire with fire, that’s fine by me. He manages to get on TV or discussed in parliament, which is a mysterious talent of some sort. Rollo, maybe you… Read more »

bob aka ......contrarian?
bob aka ......contrarian?
6 years ago

^^^this! xsplat is hilarious. not sure if itz real or not but hella funny! Sorry for the economics babble dudz. I love it. Final thought: I disregard labels. Old school conservatives have no place in societies that have pulled the plug. Conserve what? The drain is open and the little Dutch boyz arm is too small. If you think I’m a raging loony-leftist think again. Markets work. Until they don’t. Balance. Moderation. Not endless QE to build a stock market bubble then have it collapse (8 trillion $ U.S. wiped out in January-holy f$ck batman!). Obomber could have put people… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@sentient “Just came from the market… sweet little 20YO cashier runs out to open her register for me down on the end. ask her what are you doing for V day, she says nothing….” See, not to much issue doing this sorta thing now. But try bringing it past light flirty banter. It’s good practice but doesn’t easily translate to bangs at my skill level. Hence me having specific ‘gaming’ intervals where I push my comfort zone more and try to be in places where I can fuck up a bit without it being a big deal. I practice some… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Forge

I tend to blueball a lot of girls methinks lol

It’s not the blueballing chicks I have an issue with. It’s the blueballing myself that’s driving me crazy.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

Sentient – I agree, it’s a mentality to apply everywhere and at all times, not just when going out. It’s difficult to explain without revealing too much identifying info, but the combination of my insane working hours, travel schedule and spending several months of the year in a very small town with very limited dating prospects (and several months in a couple of big cities, which is when I go out a lot) means it really is quite difficult to do the “approaches anywhere” thing. It’s just a really closed social circle and limited-target environment for a huge chunk of… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@ Culum Struan It is interesting and sad that you talk about the soulless-ness and lifelessness of these people you were meeting. It reminds me about a passage in the book “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” by Robert Pirsig. When the author and his son were traveling wide spaces from Montana to the west coast, they met interesting live individuals that had great physical spaces between people. They were alive and had soul when talking to people face to face. When he got into more densely populated areas on the coast with people packed in cities, he noticed… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Culum “One thing that IS worth mentioning though – what on EARTH happens to (almost) all the guys my age and older (35-50ish) – how do so many of them suddenly become so BORING and lifeless? … …They don’t seem to do much except work and hang out with family (again, that’s fine if that’s what they want, but it’s not like they are passionate about parenting or anything). And these guys..boring yes, but in general they seem pretty happy from what I can tell. Sure some may be doing the “quiet desperation” thing..but in general they seem happy enough…”… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Sun

“It’s not the blueballing chicks I have an issue with. It’s the blueballing myself that’s driving me crazy.”

Geez man, try to have a little empathy.

When a girl flirts and I pussy out I’m just like damn I hope she has toys cause she’s gonna go home and pretend she’s with me and those tiny hands just ain’t gonna cut it.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago
scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

– Gumption trap – great reminder. Read Zen and the Art… a couple of times. It also struck me as the chronicling of a man descending into insanity…

stuffinbox
6 years ago

@SJF good read I have noticed this tombstone eyes syndrome and lack of community as it is hard not to trip on it. While I am sure the buffers of tech aren’t helping,there are some other factors to. In the city utilities and services are provided for the most part taken for granted even though people are paying for this convenience. While in rural America some roads are self maintained,the sheriff is an hour away, emergency services 30min or more in some locations every ambulance ride is FFL. This creates a need for a good relationship with the neighbors and… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“It also struck me as the chronicling of a man descending into insanity…” It struck me as an insane man that crawled out of his abyss (he had gone insane–as labeled by society, but not himself in the end– and was subjected to electroshock therapy) a wrote a neat tale on three levels. One a physical, motorcycle journey. Two, a psychological journey after he suffered a serious mental breakdown of his self and how he recovered a relationship with that self (a truly alive self) And the third level: Most important, however, the book retraces the theoretical ground of Pirsig’s… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Tam – Incoherent babble is not compelling when said with brio live by some aggressive Scottish cunt leftist or when mimicked in writing. For those not in the know, Scotland is a bastion of radical leftism and outright communism, among other socialist ideas which pervade there. Just a tip – you sound like a moronic thug, as do many aggressive leftist Scotsman. @All – The answer to my question: How is wealth created? Wealth is created in free exchanges where each of the participants in the exchange has a “comparative advantage” in producing a certain product for a variety of… Read more »

stuffinbox
6 years ago

@Scribblerg Exemplary

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

@Forge

“See, not to much issue doing this sorta thing now. But try bringing it past light flirty banter. It’s good practice but doesn’t easily translate to bangs at my skill level.”

You just need to bust a move… just follow this kind of exchange with a number.

“well give me your number, we’ll grab a drink”…. DONE

scray
scray
6 years ago

the big chink in the armor of you ‘verbal sexualizers’ is failing to actually pull the trigger. that sinks so many battleships. you’re here talking the talk and finally, after all that talk, she gives you an opening….and you don’t take it. she gives you another. same. she realizes you’re just a talker. after awhile, despite all your verbal ‘game’ you find she’s getting turned off. because she knows you’re full of shit and aren’t actually man enough to back up what you’re saying === lack of congruence. AKA in TBP talk: ‘THE TRUTH ALWAYS COMES OUT.’ every TRP principle… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

No one has a comment on the EPIC comment from Yareally? Okay, I’ll go. Hey Ya, that shit was epic and squirtacular. ” A lot of guys (AND girls) think squirting is a myth or something only certain girls can do but I’ve met VERY few girls who can’t squirt and even then 1) it still feels good/different to them to have that specific g-spot massaged/fingered properly and isn’t something a lot of guys do so it’s a new experience for her and 2) if I had more time with them I’m sure they would be able to squirt, usually… Read more »

Truman
Truman
6 years ago

@yareally thanks for that awesome description! Hilarious and cute, and extremely useful. You’re doing more to spread happiness in the world than most men ever could via their writing!

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Blax – I gave Ya major props. I’m top 10-20% sexually based on many reports but it shows me there is another level and I’m glad to be in a place where it’s being discussed honestly. Gushing/squriting is a sometimes thing for me. I do have one trick to share. If a woman tells you she has a hard time coming, tell her you own her orgasm and she can only come when you let her. Tease her and bring her to the brink over and over again and stop just when she’s going to come and tell her she… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“No one has a comment on the EPIC comment from Yareally?” First girl I was ever with benefited greatly from my having watched one of those videos back when. I mean, I’ve always had a bit of a knack for figuring out people’s bodies (why I got into PT-type stuff) but I had literally never even kissed a girl before and I had her shaking and drenching the grass in 2 minutes flat. Back when I was too terrified to do P in V. Lol. She was very, ah, experienced but it still blew her mind a bit. These are… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Culum “Do you guys know what I’m talking about? It’s not like the married guys from last night are dumb. It’s not even as if the topics of conversation were boring (yeah, lots of work,sports, politics and property talk but not only that). I’m just thinking aloud as I type this but it’s as if there’s no ENERGY there.” Have you ever met an E-tard? It’s a slang word for someone who had a few too many nights on ecstacy. They’re anhedonic – their brain adapted to the rush of happy chemicals and now they can’t feel much of anything… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@Forge… and maybe Culum, ” Well, look at this: http://www.geekwire.com/2015/nielsen-reports-that-the-average-american-adult-spends-11-hours-per-day-on-gadgets/ ” I honestly believe that we, as a civilization, may be doomed if we can’t wean ourselves off of the mindless technology trap society has fallen into. But, that’s not going to happen. Welp. I think the ” mindlessness ” and ” soulnessness ” is in a great part due to a sad preoccupation with what I call A Whole Lotta Nothing. But I was around before everyone had a phone/smartphone and became hypnotized by it. As a man, I refuse to be a slave to an electronic gadget unless… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Thought everyone might enjoy this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbNk7aQWwAAGhb7?format=pjpg&name=large

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“People are being app’d right into unconsciousness. It’s so eaaassssyyyy. There’s an app for every fucking thing.” I’ve been asked a number of times if I know of an app for something or other. Nine times out of ten I find my answering, “Yes, it’s called a brain.” I have a GPS. It doesn’t tell me where I am, never mind give me directions. If you drop me at random anywhere within 25 miles of home I’ll probably know exactly where I am and how to get from there to anywhere else. 100 miles and I’ll figure it out in… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago
stuffinbox
6 years ago

A blond a brunet and a redhead walked into a building.
You would think one of them might have looked up from the smartphone.

stuffinbox
6 years ago

@KFG The gps system comes in handy for calling in water drops on a fire or getting FFL to a remote patient.But people get lost in the mountains all the time using gps as they lose satellite contact.
The strangest new experience was the console gps map that spins with the current direction of travel up driving around a hub city. Is there some kind of way to lock these things in a north up position for people that have learned to read a map?

Tom
Tom
6 years ago

@thwack

Here’s the deal. Roissy in DC is not Heartiste. Jim Wiedemann quit the Chateau Roissy blog after being doxxed. Chateau Heartiste is written by a collective of writers who blog under the name Heartiste. Wiedemann is not one of them.

The racism crap you see at Chateau Heartiste was never happening at Chateau Roissy under Roissy in DC. Roissy was written with much more style too. More shiv and less broadsword. Roissy was focused on seduction and red pill issues, and didn’t ramble on endlessly about “shitlibs” and the like.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ kfg ” Because I have spent most of my life looking at the world, not a device. ” This. Right. Here. It’s nice that folks can digitally see places around the world, but they don’t realize what they’re missing by not being present for the occasion. When I first got my drivers license at 17, I was chomping at the bit to get out and see some stuff on my own. I drove, with 12 friends in raggedy cars, from Jersey to Los Angeles, then from LA. to San Francisco. No GPS. Maps in glovebox for reference. I’ve witnessed… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
6 years ago

@culum @yareally @scray OK, now I actually have a real FR. Went out on Saturday. Completely unplanned. My solution to my whole motivation to go out was just to get a huge list of bars, clubs, etc to go to so that way I can just focus on the process of going out without getting demoralized from the fact that there are so few girls I like here. And it wouldn’t bum me out if things went bad because, fuck it, I’ve got a million more places to go to. Kind of like an abundance mentality but for places to… Read more »

contrarian
contrarian
6 years ago

@yareally: empirical. squirting. best exposition i’ve ever seen @scrib: std micro-econ 101. re:banking- large players benefit from convoluted and complex, yet often insubstantial, regs. scale, low interest rates-money printing-now negative allow for consolidation real world: no graphs and beautiful curves. just cost n price points. chicago school: mental masturbation. intervention is absolutely req’d to maintain competition. if not, monopolization occurs. Q: what happens when 9/10 economists are paid schills? The U.S. is s financialized economy with a massive MI Complex. You have a mixed economy. Expensive as hell with $20 Trillion of debt. Best of luck. P.S. Your lecture was… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

What’s happened over the past 10 years isn’t really any kind of economic argument as much as it was outright theft and deception without punishment. The idea that theft is business should be left to gangs and assorted criminals. Unfortunately the end results of the destruction ( which is bullshit. Nothing was actually destroyed, the money went somewhere…but I’m not an economist, sooooo….. ) of ” wealth ” is continuing to ripple through society up to the minute. Stiglitz spoke well of the current facts on the ground, not theory. Matt Tiabbi also shed a great amount of light on… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Stuff in Box: “The gps system comes in handy for calling in water drops on a fire or getting FFL to a remote patient.” Yeah, and next time I do an untrailed ascent I suppose I’ll get a beacon. One of those deals where it’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. The GPS I have now records for later computer analysis. It’s intended for sports, but is also useful for rough survey work. Fits in an Altoids tin with room left over for a few other useful items. “The strangest… Read more »

contrarian
contrarian
6 years ago

@blaximus: absolutely. no one needs to know any theory. looking out the door, given enough time, is all it takes
nothing is as important as independent thought and nothing is as dangerous. hence, the screeching of any extremist: sound and fury, signifying nothing.
thank you for sharing your wisdom.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“They want to sell cars to women.” Statistically, men tend to navigate by direction and women (and gay men) by landmarks. So ya. “After a week of processing I set out cross country for a town 25 miles away. Piece of cake. Out after lunch and home in time for dinner. Couldn’t keep me down on the farm after that.” My father got a motorcycle at 15, the earliest age he could. His friends followed suit and he started a speedfreak motorcycle gang. They were called the Black Widows, appropriately enough. Half of those guys are dead now from those… Read more »

contrarian
contrarian
6 years ago

Thesis
3 rape cultures exist in the west:
1. Imaginary: in the minds of ‘blanket girlz’/sjws/the useful idiots
2. Real: wherein men are financially/psychologically ‘raped’- of $, reputations, freedom and their children
3. imported ones: for example, Malmo, Sweden

I would very much like to know how others see this. I believe what I have just outlined is an aspect of “outrage brokering” which is, in itself, implicit to modern feminism and the FI.

Would love to hear others thoughts.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Forge: ” . . . he was delinquent from high school (he escaped through the classroom windows) . . .” I escaped across an international border. Didn’t come back until the lawyer critter called and said they’d leave me alone if I did. “My father’s father helped run the bicycle-run anti-nazi communication system in his home country in WWII.” That’s a man I would be proud to know, never mind be related to. One thing about us older guys, we remember how to run a samizdat network. It’s slower than the Internet, but it gets the message out. In the… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@contrarian 1. Imaginary: in the minds of ‘blanket girlz’/sjws/the useful idiots Yes. 2. Real: wherein men are financially/psychologically ‘raped’- of $, reputations, freedom and their children No. If we’re going to call the feminists and SJWs out on trying to redefine rape to something that it isn’t, then I’ll call men out for the same. If want to talk about the real actual Rape Culture in the west, you need only look to the prison system. 3. imported ones: for example, Malmo, Sweden Yes. The Middle East and Africa have an actual, unbridled Rape Culture where it is used as… Read more »

contrarian
contrarian
6 years ago

@Sun Very insightful. Re:2 You absolutelu nailed it. ‘face to palm’. I can’t confirm this-dont read cyrillic-but ‘army rape’ may have been prevalent in the soviet era. Regardless, are social scientist collecting stats on prison rape? I imagime they ate too busy with a structural analysis of twitter bullying destroying girlz self-esteem. r:3 I misremember but i believe there is an arabic term for gang rape. ‘tashrut’? I guess wishing for some return to normalcy is too much. I’m going to have to give this more thought and research. I am fascinated by some of this stuff: how extremists can… Read more »

stuffinbox
6 years ago

@Sun & contrarian Re:2 I have known divorced men that have had their driving and hunting privileges taken away for non support. At this juncture they were either jailed for non support driving under suspension or something worse. There are some counter productive measures that are akin to promoting prison rape.Just try suporting two households w/ no DL,disheartening at best. On another note homeless communities tend to do a better job at protecting their women and children than the more fortunate. The outrage brokers or non investigative reporters do nothing to bring the truth to light and their editors are… Read more »

contrarian
contrarian
6 years ago

@stuffinbox: powerful metaphor. a very vivid 2 minutes of hateful fangs Re: DL n HL, I think, as Sun pointed out, we need be careful of our rhetoric. I suggest that these types of coercions be named. Naming is powerful. Of the top, ‘castration culture’ is apt. I suggest that we put coercive measures of the FI-State under the rubric of ‘castration culture’. Henceforth, when a man hears claptrap he can simply say, ‘that is castration culture’ thinking. Further, a very useful rhetorical device: ‘why’, ‘so’, ‘why not’. Trump is ……mean, rayciss……blah blah ‘So’ A little political red-pill…….if you will.… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

@SJF – Robert Pirsig! Wow I’d forgotten Zen – I read it so many years ago as a teenager. Time to re-read I think..that’s a great passage. Very intriguing about cities vs countryside – I’m basically a city boy and I wonder how different the countryside lifestyle would be. The gumption trap/craft mastery stuff is fascinating – google something called the “Craftsman mentality” about the right approach to take to learning any skill/becoming good at your job/getting job satisfaction – it works best for the same reasons. @Sentient – yup. Forget chicks – it’s amazing how even men want to… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Culum Struan Hey thanks man, Googling “craftsman mentality” led me to the link below. And I feel good about the craftsman mentality I usually always operate with when it comes to red pill awareness, game and masculine self improvement. I have a great workshop that is my hunting farm in which I can use craftsmen mentality to plant crops for deer hunting food plots, use the chainsaw on groups of trees, planting trees and warm season grasses and hunting itself. How I collaborate with other men as a social group in wildlife deer habitat. The craftsman mentality also fits well… Read more »

thwack
thwack
6 years ago

Tom @thwack Here’s the deal. Roissy in DC is not Heartiste. Jim Wiedemann quit the Chateau Roissy blog after being doxxed. Chateau Heartiste is written by a collective of writers who blog under the name Heartiste. Wiedemann is not one of them. ——————————————————— So whats your point Tom? That I should give a fuck about blog personalities? That I should care more about WHO says something than WHAT is said? Please miss me with that feminine mindset. If they wanna act like bitches, thats fine; but they gonna get checked Matter of fact, fuck all 3 of em; this is… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

– glad you liked it – yup, it’s a great mentality to keep in mind for general self-improvement and skill building (including, but not limited to Game).

YaReally
6 years ago

@hank holiday Props on going out and experiencing the field and finding ways to MAKE it fun instead of sitting there expecting other people to just provide you with fun (value-giving VS value-taking). You can at least work on your social and flirting skills until you get yourself into a location where you’re surrounded by asians/latinas (which you have a plan to achieve, right?). I’m not going to say go fuck a bunch of girls you aren’t into, like that choice is entirely up to you, but I will say this: you have no idea what you ACTUALLY want until… Read more »

Tin Man
6 years ago

I couldn’t agree more. The Manosphere doesn’t need FANBOYS, they need MEN. Men can disagree without being pushed out into the cold – with out the fear of being left outside the group. I could happen, but probably not because of the disagreement. Roosh is a profiteer. What he wants to be is a Cult Leader – with mindless followers. Which is counter productive to anything to do with helping Men become better Men.

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6 years ago

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flandersfleming
6 years ago

I think there’s a broader question being hinted at here and it’s exactly the question that’s been on my mind since I’ve become red Pill aware. What’s next??? If society has slowly and imperceptibly shifted to a feminine imperative, how will we institute for social change required to rebalance? Personally I think it’s through artistic means. For instance, A movie that insinuates only losers would submit to the friend zone. making the friend zone undesirable to males even before they’re invited in. Or also “what is rape?”- creating an expectation that rape should be clearly defined. When we live in… Read more »

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rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

This just in
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/silenced

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