The War Brides of Europe

(h/t to greyghost for today’s video)

Comment from Kaminsky on Dalrock’s thread:

What I find with that video of the Danish feminist. If there were such a thing as a Master’s Degree in the manosphere, you could show the candidate that video and have him break down all the elements of the female mind displayed. Point by point;

  • Let’s you and him fight
  • Shit-testing
  • Extraordinary lack of accountability
  • Collectivism to the depths of her soul
  • A form of AF/BB…In that men have to be both ends of behavior to meet females’ changing needs. Meek and placid during the forty years of feminist play-acting fun-time, now all of a sudden a different kind of man is needed.
  • Victim/victim convenient duality. Victorious feminists imposed their will and opened borders, now they’re victims and it’s up to men to clean it all up.
  • Equalist/androgynous when it suits whatever need, strong gender roles when it suits whatever need.

So amazing.

“Intractable solipsism” belongs in that list as well.

I apologize in advance if this post comes off as overly dramatic or kicking a hornets’ nest. It’s not my intent to wax poetic, but it will serve a purpose.

I was asked about my take on the current ‘migrant crisis’ in Europe by several Red Pill friends (both online and in person I should add), and how I thought it played into what I’ve written in the past about the War Brides dynamic. As my readers know I never delve into issues of politics, race or religion on this blog unless those issues are directly related to intersexual social and personal dynamics.

So it was with this in mind that I considered connecting the dots between Hypergamy and the War Brides dynamic and what I believe we’re beginning to see now in Europe. However, before I get too deep I thought I’d pick Ms. Thranholm’s interview apart first.

A Schism in the Feminine Imperative

I’ll agree with Kaminsky on his take for the most part; the degree of default entitlement women feel they have to men’s physical protection is glaringly evident, especially coming from ardent feminists, but the side-glance vitriol for European men wearing skirts in protest to the rash of ‘migrants’ raping/harassing European women only highlights feminist duplicity.

Is this rash as widespread as these women are making it? Hard for me to say, but not a day’s gone by since this migration that several ‘incidents’ of these migrant’s sexual assault (assault that would land the average European male in jail or make an American man a sex offender overnight) has been in my Twitter feed. I’ll leave that interpretation up to my readers, however what’s glaringly evident is the duplicity in the reaction strong independent® feminists are having to these assaults.

In the video Thranholm at last drops the feminist boilerplate and makes the concession all feminists (and Red Pill deniers) are loathe to hear – our society has become feminized. I’ve been making this point since the days of my writing on SoSuave; western society has become founded on a feminine social primacy that prioritizes women’s imperatives (Hypergamy) above all other considerations (lead photo NSFW). The fabric of western society from our religions, to our work cultures, to our personal relations, to our educational institutions, to the foundations of our parenting, have been progressively and systematically feminized over the course of 60+ short years.

To have a woman like Thranholm voice this from a visceral, fear based necessity is an indictment of how unignorable this feminization as become. In a similar fashion to how Open Hypergamy and soon Open Cuckoldry are becoming too socially evident to ignore, so too is the fact that an increasing majority of western(ized) men believe that touchy-feely feminized solutions to conflict are their first best alternative to violent, physical, in-your-face conflict resolution.

“This militant feminism that has been going on for decades, now we see the consequences that many men here are brought up to be like women, and to think like women, and be soft-minded.”

Iben explains in no uncertain terms that a lack of conventional, complementary masculine strength is so lacking in Europe that even feminist women are beginning to feel uneasy in the uncertainty that their safety could be insured by average European men. Underneath all of the posturing of strength, feminism still needs “muscle” for its physical defense. When feminism looks to its loyal White Knights for that muscle it finds them dressed in mini-skirts and high heels.

Without missing a beat, scowling feminist interviewer, Anissa Naouai, presents the complete obliviousness of the gravity of the situation women are facing…

“But that is what Europe is about, that is part of the European qualities that the European Union promotes.

[…] “These refugees are coming to Europe, shouldn’t they adapt to that?”

This is a glaring example of the degree of cognitive dissonance that has been cultivated in our feminine-primary social order. The idea that men who wouldn’t recognize that feminine social primacy exist, much less who would entirely ignore it, is so alien a thought that it never enters Anissa’s mind.

An Appeal to Honor

Iben continues and answers Anissa’s question without really realizing it.

“Now we see that these post modern values are just a construction.”

I thought this was interesting when we consider how long we’ve been told the opposite – that the popular concepts of conventional, evolved gender roles are the social construction. However once these ‘post modern values’ are slammed into the harsh conditions of a reality that diametrically contradicts it, then, then it becomes a question of “where have all the cowboys gone?” Now the truth is revealed that it is in fact this post modern, feminized interpretation of gender that is the social construct – and one with potentially disastrous consequences.

“…and now we see that we don’t have any male that can stand up, that can fight, who can fight back those male aggressions that we are feeling. So the vacuum that feminism has created means that women are the victims of those male aggressions”

And now we come to the standard appeal to the Male Catch 22 I described in The Honor System many years ago:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Perhaps we haven’t reached it quite yet, but we are approaching a social tipping point where the physical necessity of conventional masculinity will outweigh the liability to women in ceding the power that feminine social primacy represents. The need for ‘Man Up’ will outweigh the need for ‘Shut Up‘.

This need for women’s defense predictably gets couched in men’s Burden of Performance, and now that shit’s gotten real we see this dynamic laid bare in women’s shaming of men for not putting themselves bodily between them and an attacker. This is where Iben’s premise, and the sham of the Feminine Imperative’s social engineering, breaks down. And ironically the very idea of a new “male revolution” or supporting conventional masculinity on a social scale is even more appalling to Anissa than the reality of rising potential sexual assaults on women:

“It means that men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture. Because now this post modern project is dead, it doesn’t work…”

Iben goes on for a bit repeating the same men need to take responsibility for defending women trope in various ways and tries to explain to Anissa in as black and white a way that reality necessitates this. However the real disconnect, the most poignant illustration of feminisms denial of reality comes from Anissa after all of this:

“But the mass rapes shouldn’t be happening in the first place.”

“I’m sorry, uh, what?”

“The mass rape, the violence shouldn’t be happening in the first place. These are guests essentially who Europe has welcomed.

[…] should (women) have to protect themselves against mass rape on their streets at home?”

The utter cognitive dissonance of Anissa with her inability to grasp that these male ‘guests’ (who should be beholden to the Male Catch 22 by default) wouldn’t honor the dictates of feminine primacy is staggering. So much so it even fazes Iben for a moment. However, this disconnect is a textbook example of the sociological and psychological schism that is (or will soon) taking place for European women given their present reality.

I’ll stop here because Iben goes on to reiterate most of her points, and gets in another about the need for complementarity in conventional gender roles, but do watch the whole clip. The point I’m making with this is that there is a coming reckoning that a feminine primary society is beginning to face; post modern feminized gender constructs have fundamentally compromised the security of western culture.

Real Solutions

This then begs the question, what comes as a response to this? As I mention, the typical go-to strategy of the Feminine Imperative is to lean on men’s shame for not taking the masculine responsibility for women’s (and children’s) defense. However the same characteristics that make a conventionally masculine man a good defender are also a liability to women’s sphere of control once all her would-be attackers have been subdued. These are the same characteristic that have been ridiculed, marginalized, denigrated and punished by feminine-centric society for going on 7 decades now.

So what’s the proper response here? No doubt there will be the scorched earth factions who’ll quote us the following:

This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll whisper “no.”
– Rorschach, Watchmen 2009

If men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture it needs to come with a reciprocal incentive for men in doing so. Relying on men’s sense of duty to honor only works insofar as women are appreciative and rewarding of it. As it stands now, the average man either blindly believes his honorable action is to be more “soft-minded” in his approach to honor or has absolutely no motivation to risk himself for women who’ve told him they don’t need his “macho bullshit masculinity” for the past 60 years – right up until she’s assaulted or raped in 2016.

For a complementary gender restructuring of society it implies a reciprocal incentive on the part of women; one I don’t see forthcoming even in the desperate tones of Iben and Anissa.

It may be all well and good to let women such as Anissa to burn along with the rest of feminized Europe, however, Iben does make a valid point; if (European) men don’t do something by reassuming conventional masculinity they stand to find themselves in precisely the position I outline in War Brides:

Evolution has largely selected-for human females with a capacity to form psychological schemas that preserve an ego-investment that would otherwise afflict them with debilitating anxiety, guilt, and the stresses that result from being continuously, consciously aware of their own behavioral incongruities. Evolution selects-for solipsistic women who are blissfully unaware of their solipsism.

[…]women’s peripheral environment dictated the need to develop psychological mechanisms to help them survive. It was the women who could make that emotional disconnect when the circumstances necessitated it who survived and lived to breed when their tribe was decimated by a superior force. This is also known as the War Bride dynamic; women develop an empathy with their conquerors by necessity.

Men are the disposable sex, women, the preserved sex. Men would simply die in favor of a superior aggressor, but women would be reserved for breeding. So it served a feminine imperative to evolve an ability to cut former emotional ties more readily (in favor of her new captor) and focus on a more self-important psychology – solipsism.

Now, here is where I’ll step off the diving board and into the theoretical. It’s my purview that a lot of what men would complain are duplicitous acts of indifference towards them are really rooted in this innate feminine solipsism. That’s a bold statement, I realize, but I’d argue that what men take for inconsiderate indifference in a break up or in ruthless shit tests is really a woman tapping into this innate, self-preserving solipsism. Combine hypergamy with the chronically hostile environments of the past and you end up with a modern day feminine solipsism. Add to this an acculturated sense of female entitlement, social conventions that excuse this ‘duplicity’, and a constant misdirection of intent by women themselves, and you come to where we are now. As if that weren’t enough, throw in the element of hypergamy and the countdown in terms of fertility and long term provisioning that a woman must deal with before hitting the imminent Wall, and now you have a fuller picture of the conditions and stresses that necessitate this solipsistic nature.

It seems clear to me that women who align with Anissa’s feminine-primary mindset exhibit exactly this self-preserving solipsism in the subconscious knowledge that the men of their ‘tribe’ have become acculturated into becoming more like women and unable to defend them from a stronger, more conventionally masculine tribe.

Both Iben and Anissa are on either side of this War Brides dynamic, but both also illustrated the other’s solipsistic approach to dealing with it. I don’t claim to have the solution to this circumstance, and perhaps that should be the focus of discussion, but this is exactly the War Brides dynamic I laid out.

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Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago
Emily
Emily
7 years ago

@Liz It’s amazing how unwilling you are to accept rape statistics about women, but believe all information about the rape of men. This is the second time you’ve called me out and brought up some irrelevant stuff so as to say ‘what about the men!?’ Fyi I didn’t even say all those 200,000 victims were women. But I am more concerned about the innocents who get raped than the people who have actually committed a crime and are in prison. But we should try to reduce both, of course. @Contrarian If I understood correctly, Sweden has a high rate of… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I’m familiar with the statistics I’ve mentioned. I am unfamiliar with the uncited ones thrown out. If I were asked for my sources I would provide them.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Rollo, the last time Liz called me out on my statistics I proved her wrong. 😮

She’s doing the same thing again. Some people never learn I suppose :/

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

No I mean the stats I got from a study published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics of child rape victims that asserted that you are most vulnerable to rape at age 14.

Liz didn’t want to believe that either because she doesn’t want to hear facts that she isn’t ‘familiar with.’

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Citation is important because statistics are often misinterpreted to fit a media bias. For example, a couple of years back a SAPRO (sexual assault prevention response office) report was released to the public. The media was in a flurry about the perceived rampant rapes of female soldiers (26,000 sexual assaults!!!). But when one investigated the actual report didn’t say what the media claimed it did. The 26,000 figure was an estimate of “unwanted sexual contact” (not defined) and furthermore the majority of victims were males with female perpetrators. This was far from what the media portrayed but that 26,000 number… Read more »

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Rolllllo, my stats came from the government. I think that’s a good source >:( :/ Liz you remind me of those MRA guys who interrupt conversations about rape to scream that men get raped too. No one denies that men get raped. I certainly didn’t, so I don’t know why you were bringing up prison rapes and whatnot. Yeah, some people tend to overestimate the amount of rapes, but some people also underestimate it. You seem to only be concerned about the former. But anyway, my stats don’t come from feminist organizations, but from the government. The first one from… Read more »

contrarian
contrarian
7 years ago

proven: 0.06% event. that is an independent event.
not a rape culture

proven: emily cant do math or discern private space from public

proven: we are all mean

Feminism: religion for women too lazy too think and too immoral to objectively examine themselves and their world

score
reality 3
emily 0

conclusion: find a man to support you and be grateful or ride the carousel until panic hits then learn to love cats. decisions decisions. go girrrl

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“but it’s probably more likely to do with your hatred of women.”

My work is done!
How’s about an Albright quote?

(as a side note, I think objectively I’ve used far less invective and electronic sneer toward women by comparison than you, who entered the room sneering and haven’t let up)

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

But, yes, I have started sneering back as of late.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

@Contrarian, pinerelo Lol at these armchair mathematicians. Yeah, the chance isn’t EXACTLY 6% if you lived 100 years. However, it IS close to 6%, given those statistics. Going by your retarded logic, only 0.06% of the population are rape victims since ‘it’s an independent event’ (btw you clearly have no idea what that means.) But actually, it’s more like 5-18% of all women, and a pretty high percentage of men too. So your chance of being one of them is much higher than 0.06% in your lifetime. It’s only 0.06% in a certain year, but yes, it does add up.… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Brain teaser:
500 people live in philosomajor town, and there is one robbery per year.
Mayor Em gives a speech, “every year there is a robbery!
That means…in fifty years every single house here will be robbed!”

Is mayor Em more or less likely to be correct?

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Sorry…meant to write 50 above.
But the same principle applies (except ten percent, not 100 percent).

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I’m also curious if the statistics are reported crimes or actual crimes. For example, we’ve had about 14 reported rapes at the base here in the past three years and every single one was proven fraudulent. Do those go in the “rape” category? They were filed as “unresolved”, not fraudulent.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

After so many fake claims (and no real claims whatever) in the course of several years, I can tell you when I hear that there was a reported rape at the base at this point I do usually suspect fraud. I guess that’s just because I hate women.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Official records DO say “victim” and “unresolved” (they aren’t permitted to use the word “alleged” in front of the word victim in the official reports, so as far as Barbara Boxer would be concerned there have been fourteen reported rapes at this base, even though one woman texted a friend and said, “I’m going to have sex with this guy! Don’t tell me husband” and a few more had videotaped evidence the encounter never occurred or occurred consentually, and a few of them were in entirely different states at the time of the alleged incident making it impossible and one… Read more »

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

” . . . you are most vulnerable to rape at age 14.” -Emily

Man, look at those goal posts go!

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Brb gonna go thank daddy for actually sending me to a proper school. Okay, so if there are 100 people in a town, and there is 1 household robbery a year, is the chance 100% after 100 years? No, but it’s it’s not 1% either. You have a 99% chance of not being robbed in any year, after 100 years it’s 0.99*0.99*0.99…*0.99 (100 of those) or, put another way, 0.99 to the power of 100. Which is 0.36. So you have a 64% chance of being robbed, after 100 years, not 1% (as pinerelo and contrarian were claiming because of… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

You do realize that a house might be robbed more than once, Emily?
I can’t speak more slowly because it’s the internet but perhaps I’ve been too subtle.
Bashiquaho who walks in liberty city Miami probably has a higher chance of being raped than Ninnypoe who never parties in Liberty City. Just as there are bad neighborhoods where some homes are more likely to be robbed. It’s not like there is one robber who goes from home to home making sure to never tap the same house twice.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Emily:

What if your household is that of the robber?

“I already gave the source . . .”

I see, your claim is not your claim and it isn’t your fault if the Bureau of Justice keeps changing its website all the time.

Got it.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“By the way, I consider it pretty dark that you are suggesting that there is a possibility of most rapes being falsified.”

Well, we’re batting O to 14 at the base here. What else am I supposed to think? Blame fake rape accusers. Why blame me?

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

FWIW, the CSI guy from the city flat out told me most rape accusations that they investigate are fraudulent. He’s been in the field for about two decades so I’ll defer to his judgment on the matter.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

I only instead of men being taught not to rape they were taught to listen and believe, false rape claims could be completely eradicated.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

I know a house can be robbed more than once. That calculation factors this in. If a house could not be robbed more than once then after 100 years you would have a 100% chance of getting robbed in a neighborhood of 100 houses with 1 getting robbed every year. Come on now. Here, I will make it simple for you since you are still challenging me for some reason: A coin. What are the chances of getting heads after 3 tries? Well, each time is 1/2 yes? And yes, you can get tails more than once, that fact has… Read more »

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

“CSI guy from the city”

Some source, that.

Oh and I’m blaming you for consciously selecting information that is convenient for you and filtering out the rest. I’m blaming you because you seem to be attempting to minimize the prevalence of rape in our society. And yeah, I think there are dark reasons for why you are doing that. Self-hatred.. perhaps.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“What are the chances of getting heads after 3 tries?”

100%.

“Well, each time is 1/2 yes?”

No.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Emily, it isn’t anywhere near as random as the flip of a coin. Now that i know the statistics pertain to reported cases, not proven cases, that illuminates things quite a bit. To read the New York Times I should be quaking when I live on base with all those ostensible rapists. But the truth is, there’s nowhere safer to live. If I go out tonight and get drunk, dress like a skank and pass out, I’ve increased my chances. For those curious as to why anyone would fabricate a rape case things usually come down to cui bono (most… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

BTW, thanks Emily. The less you like me the better I feel about myself.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

(awaiting the “I know you are but what am I” classic Emily response now)

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I actually care about rape victims far more than Emily.
There’s nothing more damaging rape victims more than a bunch of fake victims crying wolf.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

@kfg

Lol what? You are sooo wrong.
What did they say about females being bad at math and men being good at it? Huh…
Then again.. we do have Liz here.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Naa Liz, I’m just going to repeat what I already said:

“Oh and I’m blaming you for consciously selecting information that is convenient for you and filtering out the rest. I’m blaming you because you seem to be attempting to minimize the prevalence of rape in our society. And yeah, I think there are dark reasons for why you are doing that. Self-hatred.. perhaps.”

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I’m hoping people are reading this because in real life I do not waste my time talking to ‘tards. In this case I’m assuming people (who are capable of thought) are reading.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Emily:

You not being able to figure out how I am right does not make me wrong.

And you are an inverse magician; everyone but you knows what your left hand is doing.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

You’re being too subtle, kfg. Learn to speak ‘tard.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

So KFG, I would have a 100% chance of getting heads after 3 coin tosses? Really?

Smh.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Rollo, I would give Liz, Pinerelo, KFG and Contrarian an F in Math. My Lord. -.-

But yeah, I provided the names of the studies. I think if I post links then the post won’t go through so… :/

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Liz:

I don’t expect her to understand a clue even if I tape it to the end of a tuba quartet.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Emily: “Really?”

What color is the bear?

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Oh I see! Thanks Rolllo 🙂 I’ll post links when I get back.

KFG, it’s remarkable how someone who doesn’t know basic maths has the gall to insult me.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“Ergo every accusation implies guilt by any instance where a woman ‘feels’ she isn’t giving consent.”

Well, if they self identify as victims they must be victims.
Who can argue with that?
More oddly…why would anyone who actually cares about victims defend this? Did Tawana Brawley do women victims any favors? Did “Jackie’s story”?

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

adjective sophomoric; knows basic maths.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Liz, who is defending false rape?

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Right now, the courts martial process in the military is as follows when it comes to sexual assault accusations: Presumption of innocence has been eliminated, burden of proof for the accuser eliminated, accountability for false claims eliminated, add politically-motivated influence over the courts martial process where any commander who exercises authority after reviewing the facts in favor of the accused faces career ending consequences and public ridicule. That is a system that supports false claims and politically motivated prosecutions. The fact that people like Emily not only dismiss this but claim that folks who don’t support it “hate women”….(i’m not… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

Lol I gotta face-palm when Emily has the best math of y’all wtf. That said, the map is not the territory and maps made from sociology statistics are notoriously perilous tools. HIC SVNT DRACONES But let me illustrate why we’re talking past each other using one of Emily’s points: “But about rape culture.. it’s not only rape denial (which is still quite a major issue.) The treatment of rape victims also reflects the rape culture in our society. I’ve talked to a few of them, and almost all of them say that society makes them feel like ‘damaged goods’ and… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

So, just to be clear Forge, you agree with the math here, is essentially correct?

“Yeah, that’s .06% per year, which is insane. You waving it aside proves that people have a messed up mentality. .06% means if you lived for 100 (likely less but I’m making the maths easy for myself) years you would have a 6% chance of getting raped at some point in your life”

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Lol Forge, Liz was clearly very offended by your remark. Poor woman 🙁
She’s now trying to bring up my original comment (that I have repeatedly said was a quick estimate) in order to disprove my math, even though i have already clarified and told her the exact (and correct) calculation (0.9994 to the power of 100 = 0.941 —> 5.9%) which was beyond her capabilities to calculate. I’m not sure whether this is intellectual dishonesty on her part, or just desperate grasping at straws.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I’m genuinely curious whether he thinks everyone has equal (or nearly equal) odds of being raped.
Context goes into the data. People aren’t coins or dice (unless the dice are ‘loaded’)
But I’ve mentioned this before (several times).

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

But keep flirting with Forge Emily….work that girl game.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Do you know what an ideal model is? Or an estimate?

You seem to be trying to trying to get into the details to ignore your embarrassment over the fact you can’t do Math despite (supposedly) being a Chemistry major. And let’s go into context, all I was doing was telling Contrarian that the chance of someone being raped isn’t 0.06%, it’s just 0.06% per year. My point was that you have a much higher chance over your lifetime because it is accumulative. I’m sorry I didn’t write two pages of statistical analysis.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I’ve only reiterated the point above (succinctly) that I made several times before.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“Do you know what an ideal model is?”

Something that doesn’t actually exist, not even in physics.
And if you were an engineer, people would die.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

In response to my correct calculation of the chance of a house robbery: “Okay, so if there are 100 people in a town, and there is 1 household robbery a year, is the chance 100% after 100 years? No, but it’s it’s not 1% either. You have a 99% chance of not being robbed in any year, after 100 years it’s 0.99*0.99*0.99…*0.99 (100 of those) or, put another way, 0.99 to the power of 100. Which is 0.36. So you have a 64% chance of being robbed, after 100 years, not 1” Lizzy responded: “You do realize that a house… Read more »

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

KFG, an ideal model is used in all disciplines (including engineering) to give a general idea, estimates, concepts etc.

The actual models are very difficult to calculate. Your ‘chance’ of getting raped is impossible to actually determine, and obviously fluctuates with age, attractiveness, country, city, behavior etc. A realistic estimate is therefore impossible.

But as I said, let’s just drop it. Not everyone went to Rice or a similarly good college, I get it.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Emily:

I have a bicycle lock that cost more than the bicycle I use it to lock.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Can’t believe I’ve wasted so much time, God.

Anyway here are the links:
14 is the most likely age of rape:
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/saycrle.pdf
200,000+ rape and sexual assault victims:
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I also said “Bashiquaho who walks in liberty city Miami probably has a higher chance of being raped than Ninnypoe who never parties in Liberty City. Just as there are bad neighborhoods where some homes are more likely to be robbed.”

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“Not everyone went to Rice or a similarly good college, I get it.”

I rejected similarly good colleges, nor did I major in the humanities.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

And “Emily, it isn’t anywhere near as random as the flip of a coin.”

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Also “To read the New York Times I should be quaking when I live on base with all those ostensible rapists. But the truth is, there’s nowhere safer to live. If I go out tonight and get drunk, dress like a skank and pass out, I’ve increased my chances.”

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

“So, just to be clear Forge, you agree with the math here, is essentially correct?” The math is correct. The tricky thing is determining what you can conclude from the math. In actual application there are far too many confounds to conclude much from it in any given individual case. And that’s assuming the priors are accurate, to which, as above, I say HIC SVNT DRACONES. The tricky thing about science isn’t finding the right answers. It’s asking the right questions in the right ways, and knowing the actual utility of the answer you find. All these points are beside… Read more »

Tom
Tom
7 years ago

Legal nitpicking follows. Under the current rape accusation regime, the legal principle being violated is “Presumption of innocence.” Constitutional theorists of the British-American common law system re-incorporated it (from Roman law) as a bedrock principle of legal practice from the Middle Ages on. Habeas corpus, is a principle that dates from the Middle Ages as well (it was included in the Magna Carta) and it is designed to prohibit the practice of detaining people secretly, or detaining people without any legal basis (a practice common among kings an powerful nobles and courtiers in the day.) Now, habeas corpus is being… Read more »

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

” It’s asking the right questions in the right ways . . .”

I’m betting you know what color the bear is.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

A few more thoughts on my comment above: “An effective abuser will filter for victims that are at a low risk for retribution – victims that can be made to feel fear, shame, or guilt for having been abused, rather than anger or a desire for retribution. This is how a BPD women ends up in relationships with men who constantly feel her bad behavior is his fault – or at least his responsibility. She filters for men who ‘follow’ her emotional state, and who are necessitous of her validation. In the same way a rapist will target a victim… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
7 years ago

The hamster wheel is spinning at Ludicrous Speed with this one…

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/02/15/jian-ghomeshi-trial-exposes-troubling-double-standard.html

tl, dr version:
Even though Ghomeshi’s ‘victims’ kept coming back for more after the alleged assaults, they’re still ‘victims’ because human beings are ‘complex’.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Per silly argument, fair enough, I agree. “It’s interesting to note that there are different ways men and women have of coping with this. Women, when they confront legitimate abuse they’ve faced, tend to create concepts such as a ‘rape culture’ or ‘patriarchy’ that needs to change to make them safe. Men tend to figure ‘well, it wasn’t my fault, but there were vulnerabilities in my character that other exploited, so I guess I have to self-improve so that can’t happen again.’” I think this might add the prevailing meme of “blaming the victim”. If one is looking for solutions… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

“I’m betting you know what color the bear is.”

What is the color of something whereupon no light shines?

For a foolish man, the bear has no color.
For a clever man, the bear is red.
For a wise man, the bear has no color again.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Prevailing PERCEIVED meme of “blaming the victim”, intended to say, above.
Looking for solutions can actually be a sign of empathy (placing oneself in the victim’s place and reasoning out the better options).

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

‘I think this might add the prevailing meme of “blaming the victim”.’

A person who believes they have no power and no agency never has any culpability.

So then you’re stuck waiting for rapists to be taught not to rape.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

@Chump From the article: “What does it say about our culture when we are willing to buy into fictional narratives that position complex men as heroes, but unwilling to afford real women even a sliver of that same credulity? Ghomeshi’s defence strategy — just like so many before — relies entirely on the fact that if a woman’s reaction to trauma involves anything less than “perfect” behaviour, people will be more inclined to dismiss that reaction out of hand than to see it as understandable. […..] Ghomeshi and his lawyers know what we have all been taught to know, deep… Read more »

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Forge: If I pointed out that the sky is not blue, you would be the one who said, “Well, duuuuh!” Most people, because they know that the sky is blue, I have to actually show the sky to prove it: http://www.porathcontractors.com/gallery/albums/projects/Sunset.sized.jpg But I had another, very specific, bear in mind, the one standing at point p, who travels one mile due south, turns, travels one mile due east, turns, travels one mile due north, and is now standing at point p again. It’s a classic problem in the literature of how to ask the right questions. It relies on the… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

@Rollo From one perspective, women’s primary directive is manipulating men to serve them in some capacity. Their very physiology is designed to do so – neotenized (sp?) faces triggering protective instincts and so on. I kinda see the ‘patriarchy’ thing as being a combination of misdirection and projection – get into an argument with a woman and you’ll see the same tactic. “I’m not being unreasonable, how could you be such an asshole as to say that to me? Why do you always try to turn things around on me? Why are you raising your voice at me, that’s abuse!”… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

@kfg

Ah, I see. I hadn’t heard that one before.

White.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“White.”

Q.E.D.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

This article written by the feminist attorney mother of a son falsely accused on campus has been linked a few times in the past, but seems pertinent.

http://www.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324600704578405280211043510

She must hate women.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

To Emily and people like her: In the above link, the feminist mother thoroughly describes the process of how the rights of the accused are discarded. She never thought it would happen to her and then when it did she was shocked and outraged to find the truth…and of course, those who still believe what she did before the incident are quick to discredit, dispute, arbitrarily disregard her observations. Anyone with any interest in objectivity should note this was not a legal trial, and would never have held up in court. It was a campus tribunal not unlike something a… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

Ah Rollo, don’t you know sex is empowering when a woman does it?

http://www.theonion.com/article/women-now-empowered-by-everything-a-woman-does-1398

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Thought I’d add a link to an explanation from a Jag after General Susan Helm’s promotion was cancelled due to the exoneration of a defendant in a sexual assault claim. She was subjected to public ridicule, catching the attention of the Jag who worked for her. Since his words were used as the “voice of authority” in the charge against her, he felt compelled to write a letter to the Wall Street Journal disputing the claim (it didn’t help Helms, in this environment, but the letter is a good and succinct explanation of military law and the court martial process).… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Forgot to add, General Susan Helms must obviously hate women too (and herself of course).

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

kfg’s bear never shits in the woods…

contrarian
contrarian
7 years ago

There is no rape culture.

Feminism is an agit-prop subversion tool designed to transfer power from functioning societies-patriarchical-to women. The result is a dysfunctional, tyrannical, mob-mentality state of cultural marxism. It is a castration culture and is the antithesis of rule of law, democracy and common sense-aka, western civilization.

I bet more men are sexually assaulted in the industrial-prison complex in one year than a decade of actual female rapes. I bet the ratio of false accusations of rape to actual rape is 19:1 for american women.

The real rape culture is the rape of truth.

contrarian
contrarian
7 years ago

If you read the details of the ghomeshi trial, one of his ‘victims’ sent him a text pic selfie: fellating a beer bottle.
Complex. Real complex.
When the whole case falls apart will these women be charged with obstructing justice?

No contracts. No right to vote. Back to the kitchen. Responsible adults are needed to turn this ship around. Women just dont have the goods.
Especially you Emily.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

@Liz Once again, selecting specific information and filtering out all the rest to support your belief that most rape is falsified. Dear Lord I hope you don’t have a daughter. Don’t pretend to care about rape victims when you are doing your best to convince yourself and others that most rape victims are liars Btw, I noticed you are REALLY insecure. Forge: “Emily has the best math of y’all wtf” Liz: *HAMSTER INITIATED* “But I said this, I promise, I’m good at math! Please complement meeeee. ” @Forge&Rollo For the record, I find the radical feminists who use rape as… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“Women in particular are considered to be untrustworthy in regards to sexuality” Indeed. Emily, you talk too much. Law #4 baby. Rape is deplorable. Why are you talking about it on this site so much? Like you can shed some light on the male experience? Men are not rapists. Rapists are. You are commenting on a manosphere blog. It is time you acted like you are. Otherwise how much respect do you figure you really have here? You want to matter?, then talk about how women operate. In due regards for the masculine, and in empathy for men. Just because… Read more »

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

“You suck as a commenter.” I admit, I didn’t realize there was a competition going on. “Why are you talking about it on this site so much?” You guys were already talking about rape. I just gave my own awesome opinion about it. “Don’t be so fucking negative towards men.” Eh what? I love men. I’m no radical feminist yo. “treating a male unkindly with the female stages of manipulation will serve your best interests?” Have you ever been to RPW on reddit? Those ladies are the ones who talk about manipulating guys for their own interests (women like Liz.)… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“Btw, I noticed you are REALLY insecure. Forge: “Emily has the best math of y’all wtf” Liz: *HAMSTER INITIATED* “But I said this, I promise, I’m good at math! Please complement meeeee. ” I asked him a question for clarity because it’s pretty clear you were incorrect. It’s not that the real world isn’t an “ideal model” in this scenario it’s that it’s nowhere in the same ballpark. That’s why we have actuaries to assess risk. Because you can’t just take a certain number of people and claim they are all have equal level of risk, and those differences aren’t… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

If you were a normal person I could actually have a conversation with rather than an obviously very disturbed idiot, I would ask the following: “@general Rape culture in full display here: “Now, when I hear a rape claim I am indeed skeptical.” ” ‘victim blaming’ ” (notice the quotation marks)” Why do you believe mere skepticism about a claim, after encountering a deluge of false claims (along with the off the record opinion of a forensic expert with 20 years experience), is ipso facto “rape culture”. Why are quotes around the term “victim blaming” ipso factor part and parcel… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

If you were a normal person I could actually have a conversation with rather than an obviously very disturbed idiot, I would ask you to explain and define what you believe to be victim blaming. If you were a normal person I could actually have a conversation with rather than an obviously very disturbed idiot, I would ask what the difference is between what you describe as “proper activism” and “taking it too far”. If you were a normal person I could actually have a conversation with rather than an obviously very disturbed idiot, I would ask why you think… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

And yes, I care much more for rape victims than you Emily.
Real rape victims are actually damaged by a bunch of fake ones running around and yelling wolf. There is only a finite amount of resources.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

For some reason Liz thinks 14 is a decent sample size to justify intense suspicion against rape victims, but the Bureau of Justice statistics from a sample size ranging from 10,000 to 300,000 annually, is not enough to give these poor damaged people the benefit of the doubt. “it’s pretty clear you were incorrect.” Again Liz? I wasn’t incorrect. I never claimed that my mathematical model perfectly described the real world. All I was doing was saying that the 0.06% chance adds up. You, Liz, failed at Math, and then started ‘hamstering’. I can understand your embarrassment and anger though.… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Why don’t you post at Jezebel? There are lots and lots of places that embrace that rape culture meme. It’s ubiquitous. They will offer that validation you obviously need so badly.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

In fact, you could pick several different locations. At one place you could talk about how “coke gives you such an awesome high”, at another you could talk about threesomes and how lots of sex before you are 17 doesn’t really count, and on another you can proselytize about the importance of Christ in your life and pretend to be a good person, at another you can post your selfies and ask, “tell me I’m pretty! Please! I’m such an attention whore I assume I’m prettier and richer than people I’ve never seen or met…” There is an endless supply… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Emily February 17th, 2016 at 11:31 pm

feeble comments

say less here

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

This is the rape statistic I find most interesting:

http://www.steadyhealth.com/articles/women-and-sexuality-as-many-as-50-of-women-have-rape-fantasies-but-fantasy-and-reality-dont-mix

I prefer to interpret the results as “40% of women won’t admit to having rape fantasies in anonymous poll.”

Yollo "Bat Man" Comanche
Yollo "Bat Man" Comanche
7 years ago

@Emily Aren’t you the same chick that was caught juggling dick and identities a month or two ago? You apologized but that doesn’t mean I forgot. I also see you trying to set up this feminist horseshit as a way to keep other people from standing up to you again. I’m sure someone still has those pics. That should have been a lesson to you. All your time is borrowed and you have heaps of people trying to give it to you since that’s what’s expected of them. That’s the only reason you got to feel like an invincible little… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Notice how anything that contradicts the rape culture meme is met with distain.
“So what? What about those thousand of reported rapes! That’s what I want to talk about. (insert a bunch of juvenile personal insults) And you dare to look at the numbers skeptically! Victim blamer…”

Emily, I hate to tell you (I haven’t gone there yet, but while you’re insulting me for things unseen) you are nowhere NEAR as good looking as you seem to believe.

emilyy96
7 years ago

“you are nowhere NEAR as good looking as you seem to believe.”
Uhh okay? know I’m not bad looking. I mean, I have a lotta followers on social media and I never post anything slutty. But I never said I’m perfect. All I said was that I’m better looking than you.

@Andy
Aaaand how is that relevant?

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Oh GOODY!
An attention whoring gravatar photo in response.
You don’t know what I look like, and you don’t know how much money I have in the bank. You are an unbelievably arrogant stupid crack.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Good grief, I almost have a mind to post an image but then I’d just be an attention whore too. Have to pull away from the internet.

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