The War Brides of Europe

(h/t to greyghost for today’s video)

Comment from Kaminsky on Dalrock’s thread:

What I find with that video of the Danish feminist. If there were such a thing as a Master’s Degree in the manosphere, you could show the candidate that video and have him break down all the elements of the female mind displayed. Point by point;

  • Let’s you and him fight
  • Shit-testing
  • Extraordinary lack of accountability
  • Collectivism to the depths of her soul
  • A form of AF/BB…In that men have to be both ends of behavior to meet females’ changing needs. Meek and placid during the forty years of feminist play-acting fun-time, now all of a sudden a different kind of man is needed.
  • Victim/victim convenient duality. Victorious feminists imposed their will and opened borders, now they’re victims and it’s up to men to clean it all up.
  • Equalist/androgynous when it suits whatever need, strong gender roles when it suits whatever need.

So amazing.

“Intractable solipsism” belongs in that list as well.

I apologize in advance if this post comes off as overly dramatic or kicking a hornets’ nest. It’s not my intent to wax poetic, but it will serve a purpose.

I was asked about my take on the current ‘migrant crisis’ in Europe by several Red Pill friends (both online and in person I should add), and how I thought it played into what I’ve written in the past about the War Brides dynamic. As my readers know I never delve into issues of politics, race or religion on this blog unless those issues are directly related to intersexual social and personal dynamics.

So it was with this in mind that I considered connecting the dots between Hypergamy and the War Brides dynamic and what I believe we’re beginning to see now in Europe. However, before I get too deep I thought I’d pick Ms. Thranholm’s interview apart first.

A Schism in the Feminine Imperative

I’ll agree with Kaminsky on his take for the most part; the degree of default entitlement women feel they have to men’s physical protection is glaringly evident, especially coming from ardent feminists, but the side-glance vitriol for European men wearing skirts in protest to the rash of ‘migrants’ raping/harassing European women only highlights feminist duplicity.

Is this rash as widespread as these women are making it? Hard for me to say, but not a day’s gone by since this migration that several ‘incidents’ of these migrant’s sexual assault (assault that would land the average European male in jail or make an American man a sex offender overnight) has been in my Twitter feed. I’ll leave that interpretation up to my readers, however what’s glaringly evident is the duplicity in the reaction strong independent® feminists are having to these assaults.

In the video Thranholm at last drops the feminist boilerplate and makes the concession all feminists (and Red Pill deniers) are loathe to hear – our society has become feminized. I’ve been making this point since the days of my writing on SoSuave; western society has become founded on a feminine social primacy that prioritizes women’s imperatives (Hypergamy) above all other considerations (lead photo NSFW). The fabric of western society from our religions, to our work cultures, to our personal relations, to our educational institutions, to the foundations of our parenting, have been progressively and systematically feminized over the course of 60+ short years.

To have a woman like Thranholm voice this from a visceral, fear based necessity is an indictment of how unignorable this feminization as become. In a similar fashion to how Open Hypergamy and soon Open Cuckoldry are becoming too socially evident to ignore, so too is the fact that an increasing majority of western(ized) men believe that touchy-feely feminized solutions to conflict are their first best alternative to violent, physical, in-your-face conflict resolution.

“This militant feminism that has been going on for decades, now we see the consequences that many men here are brought up to be like women, and to think like women, and be soft-minded.”

Iben explains in no uncertain terms that a lack of conventional, complementary masculine strength is so lacking in Europe that even feminist women are beginning to feel uneasy in the uncertainty that their safety could be insured by average European men. Underneath all of the posturing of strength, feminism still needs “muscle” for its physical defense. When feminism looks to its loyal White Knights for that muscle it finds them dressed in mini-skirts and high heels.

Without missing a beat, scowling feminist interviewer, Anissa Naouai, presents the complete obliviousness of the gravity of the situation women are facing…

“But that is what Europe is about, that is part of the European qualities that the European Union promotes.

[…] “These refugees are coming to Europe, shouldn’t they adapt to that?”

This is a glaring example of the degree of cognitive dissonance that has been cultivated in our feminine-primary social order. The idea that men who wouldn’t recognize that feminine social primacy exist, much less who would entirely ignore it, is so alien a thought that it never enters Anissa’s mind.

An Appeal to Honor

Iben continues and answers Anissa’s question without really realizing it.

“Now we see that these post modern values are just a construction.”

I thought this was interesting when we consider how long we’ve been told the opposite – that the popular concepts of conventional, evolved gender roles are the social construction. However once these ‘post modern values’ are slammed into the harsh conditions of a reality that diametrically contradicts it, then, then it becomes a question of “where have all the cowboys gone?” Now the truth is revealed that it is in fact this post modern, feminized interpretation of gender that is the social construct – and one with potentially disastrous consequences.

“…and now we see that we don’t have any male that can stand up, that can fight, who can fight back those male aggressions that we are feeling. So the vacuum that feminism has created means that women are the victims of those male aggressions”

And now we come to the standard appeal to the Male Catch 22 I described in The Honor System many years ago:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Perhaps we haven’t reached it quite yet, but we are approaching a social tipping point where the physical necessity of conventional masculinity will outweigh the liability to women in ceding the power that feminine social primacy represents. The need for ‘Man Up’ will outweigh the need for ‘Shut Up‘.

This need for women’s defense predictably gets couched in men’s Burden of Performance, and now that shit’s gotten real we see this dynamic laid bare in women’s shaming of men for not putting themselves bodily between them and an attacker. This is where Iben’s premise, and the sham of the Feminine Imperative’s social engineering, breaks down. And ironically the very idea of a new “male revolution” or supporting conventional masculinity on a social scale is even more appalling to Anissa than the reality of rising potential sexual assaults on women:

“It means that men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture. Because now this post modern project is dead, it doesn’t work…”

Iben goes on for a bit repeating the same men need to take responsibility for defending women trope in various ways and tries to explain to Anissa in as black and white a way that reality necessitates this. However the real disconnect, the most poignant illustration of feminisms denial of reality comes from Anissa after all of this:

“But the mass rapes shouldn’t be happening in the first place.”

“I’m sorry, uh, what?”

“The mass rape, the violence shouldn’t be happening in the first place. These are guests essentially who Europe has welcomed.

[…] should (women) have to protect themselves against mass rape on their streets at home?”

The utter cognitive dissonance of Anissa with her inability to grasp that these male ‘guests’ (who should be beholden to the Male Catch 22 by default) wouldn’t honor the dictates of feminine primacy is staggering. So much so it even fazes Iben for a moment. However, this disconnect is a textbook example of the sociological and psychological schism that is (or will soon) taking place for European women given their present reality.

I’ll stop here because Iben goes on to reiterate most of her points, and gets in another about the need for complementarity in conventional gender roles, but do watch the whole clip. The point I’m making with this is that there is a coming reckoning that a feminine primary society is beginning to face; post modern feminized gender constructs have fundamentally compromised the security of western culture.

Real Solutions

This then begs the question, what comes as a response to this? As I mention, the typical go-to strategy of the Feminine Imperative is to lean on men’s shame for not taking the masculine responsibility for women’s (and children’s) defense. However the same characteristics that make a conventionally masculine man a good defender are also a liability to women’s sphere of control once all her would-be attackers have been subdued. These are the same characteristic that have been ridiculed, marginalized, denigrated and punished by feminine-centric society for going on 7 decades now.

So what’s the proper response here? No doubt there will be the scorched earth factions who’ll quote us the following:

This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll whisper “no.”
– Rorschach, Watchmen 2009

If men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture it needs to come with a reciprocal incentive for men in doing so. Relying on men’s sense of duty to honor only works insofar as women are appreciative and rewarding of it. As it stands now, the average man either blindly believes his honorable action is to be more “soft-minded” in his approach to honor or has absolutely no motivation to risk himself for women who’ve told him they don’t need his “macho bullshit masculinity” for the past 60 years – right up until she’s assaulted or raped in 2016.

For a complementary gender restructuring of society it implies a reciprocal incentive on the part of women; one I don’t see forthcoming even in the desperate tones of Iben and Anissa.

It may be all well and good to let women such as Anissa to burn along with the rest of feminized Europe, however, Iben does make a valid point; if (European) men don’t do something by reassuming conventional masculinity they stand to find themselves in precisely the position I outline in War Brides:

Evolution has largely selected-for human females with a capacity to form psychological schemas that preserve an ego-investment that would otherwise afflict them with debilitating anxiety, guilt, and the stresses that result from being continuously, consciously aware of their own behavioral incongruities. Evolution selects-for solipsistic women who are blissfully unaware of their solipsism.

[…]women’s peripheral environment dictated the need to develop psychological mechanisms to help them survive. It was the women who could make that emotional disconnect when the circumstances necessitated it who survived and lived to breed when their tribe was decimated by a superior force. This is also known as the War Bride dynamic; women develop an empathy with their conquerors by necessity.

Men are the disposable sex, women, the preserved sex. Men would simply die in favor of a superior aggressor, but women would be reserved for breeding. So it served a feminine imperative to evolve an ability to cut former emotional ties more readily (in favor of her new captor) and focus on a more self-important psychology – solipsism.

Now, here is where I’ll step off the diving board and into the theoretical. It’s my purview that a lot of what men would complain are duplicitous acts of indifference towards them are really rooted in this innate feminine solipsism. That’s a bold statement, I realize, but I’d argue that what men take for inconsiderate indifference in a break up or in ruthless shit tests is really a woman tapping into this innate, self-preserving solipsism. Combine hypergamy with the chronically hostile environments of the past and you end up with a modern day feminine solipsism. Add to this an acculturated sense of female entitlement, social conventions that excuse this ‘duplicity’, and a constant misdirection of intent by women themselves, and you come to where we are now. As if that weren’t enough, throw in the element of hypergamy and the countdown in terms of fertility and long term provisioning that a woman must deal with before hitting the imminent Wall, and now you have a fuller picture of the conditions and stresses that necessitate this solipsistic nature.

It seems clear to me that women who align with Anissa’s feminine-primary mindset exhibit exactly this self-preserving solipsism in the subconscious knowledge that the men of their ‘tribe’ have become acculturated into becoming more like women and unable to defend them from a stronger, more conventionally masculine tribe.

Both Iben and Anissa are on either side of this War Brides dynamic, but both also illustrated the other’s solipsistic approach to dealing with it. I don’t claim to have the solution to this circumstance, and perhaps that should be the focus of discussion, but this is exactly the War Brides dynamic I laid out.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Gah.
In the end she beat me!
Now I’m just ruining the perfect 1000.
But…How’s about a montage? razz

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Just had a look at the channel of the guy who put up the video above.

THIS video advances the proposition that suppression and diversion of women’s hypergamous behavior has been the basis for a social contract that incentivises men to achieve great things.

He then goes on to assert that once society frees, or even worse, incentivizes women’s hypergamy societies fall apart.

He’s of the “Europe is a goner” school because of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

What do you think?

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Meant to put this in the post above: will add it here.

This has to be the.most.politically.incorrect.video.I’ve.ever.seen!

Enough to send a SJW into spasmings of incoherent rage.

Might even cause a few medical emergencies (strokes, heart attacks, epilectic siezures-LOL.)

I would looooove to be watching a webcam of Lena Dunham or Anna Sarkesian (or Andrea Dworkin) reacting to this thing.

On another note, J.D. Unwin’s book Sex and Culture was published in 1934 and is no longer copyrighted. You can download a copy to read for yourself here

https://archive.org/details/b20442580

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^I think he doesn’t get enough.

Thing is, 80/20 is also false. Mathematically.

Shall I demonstrate?

I do agree that society is far more stable when women are more chaste though. But with birth control and everything, there is very little reason for either men or women to be chaste. Other than religion, and hardly anyone my age is religious…

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Miss Em,

The Pareto Distribution and the Pareto Principle are actually quite observable in social, scientific, geophysical, actuarial, and many other types of observable phenomena. Wiki both.

You don’t observe that 20% of the college campus guys are worth your time and interest and the other 80% aren’t? YGBSM

And, you didn’t demonstrate.

You remonstrated.

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Cmon! Don’t pretend you don’t see the resemblance

Nope. Lana del Rey is sensual but not slutty about it…

Actually, they probably wouldn’t even be there in such great numbers, because Europe wouldn’t have to accept as many immigrants as they do if they had higher birth rates.

You are aware that Merkel, the PM of Germany, openly invited all the refugees from Syria, and that many of the “refugees” are actually from the Balkans and other places? So the current crisis has nothing to do with birth rates at all?

Which valley did you grow up in?

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That was an interesting video, Tom. Lots to consider there.
I agree that the West is destroying its own civilization but I’m not so sure the equation is quite so linear. Yes, Muslims are starting to invade the West (because the West is allowing it) but I can’t help but notice most of the Islamic countries are comparative hell holes.

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Just to add, if the video were strictly accurate, shouldnt’ it be the other way around?

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Just comparing less strict countries with more strict ones, too, the difference is pretty striking. Afghanistan under the Taliban versus Bahrain, Saudi versus the UAE, and so forth. I know there are economic factors but there really is no comparison. Egypt doesn’t seem to be becoming better and more “culturally enriched/advanced” now that things are becoming less Westernized either.

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Just thinking further regarding the video, I think (what it didn’t touch on) there’s some middle ground where the passion and beauty of life are preserved by keeping some personal freedoms intact but morality, honor, social accountability and values like integrity are preserved enough to maintain community and family cohesion and societal advancement. In practical reality (since humans aren’t perfect) that balance will never be perfect but I think up until pretty recently the West did it far better by comparison to most. Of course a lot of it has to do with safety. People who aren’t on the pointy… Read more »

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SJF, the Pareto Principle is not universal. It is observed in some systems, but certainly not in human sexuality. I’m not sure if it was EVER true in human sexuality. Certainly the nobility in the past had many partners, and other important people, but they represented a small percent of the population. Catholic monogamy and arranged marriage probably also meant most people were with a partner. Definitely more men than women were left with no partner, but it was nothing like 80% of all men. In the Victorian era most people were married. In the Islamic world, it may have… Read more »

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Shockingly, for once Liz has a point.

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Emily, in your first paragraph you are describing constrained systems. Nobility, Catholic constraints (monogamous marriages), Victorian and Islamic systems. It is in an unconstrained chimpanzee like system 70,000 years ago that human brains were hard-wired for. And monogamy is a constrained system. And college is pretty unconstrained and your figures back up a Pareto distribution (20% of guys are getting laid on campus, 80% of men and women are not or are pair bonded–and I have nothing against pair bonding, personally). “Applying the Pareto Principle to human sexuality is so ridiculous I found almost no study from any university that… Read more »

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Are we going for 2000 now?
I admire your spirit!
I don’t want to quarrel any more, truly.
I’ll only say that if you believe I have a point above, you should understand my reaction to you. This stuff is all tied in.

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I wasn’t being sarcastic, I was actually saying you have a point. And no, I don’t think it’s tied in at all. I was just agreeing that we do need to find a middle ground between traditional ideas and modern ideas of freedom (particularly of women.) I think the West was once briefly at that point but has now completely lost it’s way. Feminists are taking it too far in one direction and TRP and MRA (though of course, they are not near as influential) in the other. SJF, what I think he was saying is that 20% of men… Read more »

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“SJF, what I think he was saying is that 20% of men get 80% of women. Which is ridiculous.”

@the 7:30 mark in the video, the Pigeon guy states that 80% of women are pursuing 20% of the men. No one said these 20% alpha men are pursuing 80% of the women or fucking them. That would be truly ridiculous. Just look around campus. Would a hot guy go after the woman in the 25% percentile (attractiveness wise)?

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“Don’t tell me you don’t see the resemblance” Oh, I see it. It’s just now I can’t stop hearing it. I tend to use Lana del Rey as the cartoon example of female behavior gone amok. Light of my life, fire of my loins Be a good baby, do what I want Light of my life, fire of my loins Give me them gold coins, give me them coins And I’m off to the races, cases of Bacardi chasers Chasin’ me all over town ’cause he knows I’m wasted, Facin’ time again on Rikers Island and I won’t get out… Read more »

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@Liz ” I think (what it didn’t touch on) there’s some middle ground where the passion and beauty of life are preserved by keeping some personal freedoms intact but morality, honor, social accountability and values like integrity are preserved enough to maintain community and family cohesion and societal advancement. In practical reality (since humans aren’t perfect) that balance will never be perfect but I think up until pretty recently the West did it far better by comparison to most. Of course a lot of it has to do with safety. People who aren’t on the pointy edge of survival have… Read more »

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Re: 80/20

The difference is in why women pair up with the 80%.

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“*** Maintaining a moral code (in the imperfect human world) requires some sort of accountability (either direct or indirect or both).”

Feminism (specifically feminist ideals that are anathema to a functioning free society when practiced en masse due to the destruction of those aforementioned bonds that tie societies together in the cohesive manner beneficial and necessary for human societies to thrive) has succeeded as an ideology because of perverse direct and indirect incentives.

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I am the master of run on sentences today.

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@Liz February 22nd, 2016 at 3:49 am

You’ve read “The Way of Men” by Jack Donovan?

He illustrates your description in the chapter entitled “The Bonobo Masturbation Society”

Here is that chapter:

http://allotriochaos.blogspot.com/2014/11/t5ttt454.html

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I see. Well SJF, it works that way both ways. 80% of women want the top 20%? Yeah, and 80% of men want the top 20% of women.
Considering that, it is such a meaningless statement, especially in context of the video.

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Ohhh oops. I getcha. I don’t like her songs either, but people say I look like her. Not so much w the blonde hair though.

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“Well SJF, it works that way both ways. 80% of women want the top 20%? Yeah, and 80% of men want the top 20% of women.”

Yes. That is what Vilfredo Pareto posited as the Pareto distrubution. It is observed across many systems. It is not meaningless. It is an observation. And it is clearly seen on campuses.

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It’s seen everywhere, not just campuses. But 80% of women seldom having sex with 20% of men? Truth is societal conditioning means that most of us want one man to commit to us, and no one else. That means 80% of women won’t go for 20% of the men. Therefore, the 80/20 rule of attraction doesn’t apply for sex (80% of women won’t have sex with 20% of men. And certainly 80% of men won’t have sex w 20% of women xD.) And yeah, you are observing this less and less. So the dude in the video doesn’t really have… Read more »

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“I see. Well SJF, it works that way both ways. 80% of women want the top 20%? Yeah, and 80% of men want the top 20% of women.
Considering that, it is such a meaningless statement, especially in context of the video.”

Solipsism & equivocation at it’s most inane. Educational & entertaining at the same time. Does this little girl’s hamster ever take a break?

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Emily,

Perhaps you should go back and read this for relevance.

http://therationalmale.com/2015/11/03/christian-dread/

“There was a section in the London Real video interview of Nick Krauser where he explains the distribution of labor aspect of how religion and the 80\20 aspect of the Pareto Principle interact with Hypergamy and intersexual dynamics. I may explore this in another post, but the idea is that monogamous marriage in a Christian sense relatively ensured that the 80% Beta men could reasonably expect to get a woman for exclusive sex and pass on his genetic lineage.”

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Emily,

Black Pigeon in the video said that 80% of women have desire for 20% of men. That’s all.

“Truth is societal conditioning means that most of us want one man to commit to us, and no one else. That means 80% of women won’t go for 20% of the men.”

No one said women can’t be conditioned. It is when they are unconditioned and unrestrained sexually that “Houston, we have a problem…..”

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@Chump, I stopped at ‘solipsism.’ http://www.iep.utm.edu/solipsis/ @SJF That certainly is interesting. Without Christian values and without modern conditioning you may see sexual habits go closer to 80/20. If everyone is having open relationships, then girls will most likely choose to go for the 20% of guys, and those guys would probably have sex with a larger percentage of gals. But as it is, the hook up culture is still not very common or accepted even in my generation, so you don’t see that. Anyway, if 80% of women do have sex with 20% of men and no one else, then… Read more »

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Emilyslut
The guys who sleep around mostly sleep around with the sluts and the sluts mostly sleep around with those guys.

So where do you and your now blue-balled boyfriend fit into that picture, dearie? Just wondering…

Emily, you’re a gift that keeps on giving…

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With regard to intersexual dynamics the Pareto principle isn’t about the getting, it’s about the wanting. This. Women given a choice will almost universally profess to wanting a man at least 6′ tall. I’d say 80% is on the conservative end of my estimate. Try inputting 19 years old and 72 inches tall here: http://reference.medscape.com/calculator/height-age-percentile-boys There’s your easiest illustration of the upper 20% that most women want. They don’t even realize it’s the upper 20%, but they insist on it when asked. How many of them are going to get it in the long run? Let’s just say we’re gonna… Read more »

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Emily, let me draw your attention to a book, but don’t worry you can get it on Kindle as well as hardback, Dataclysm by Christian Rudder, one of the founders of OKCupid. In this book we see the Pareto principle clearly displayed in terms of the men that women find attractive just as SJF pointed out to you. OKCupid has a big data set to work with, far bigger than anything any academic has ever played with. And it is easy to determine from the women’s own preferences in their actions via OKCupid what they find attractive in a man.… Read more »

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Meanwhile in the same book, Dataclysm we find tables of data that agree with Rollo’s PornHub observation: men tend to find the top 50% or so of women to be most attractive, as one would expect from a random process. “Random” in this case not meaning “throw a dart at a picture and decide to go after her”, but rather that men’s attraction triggers are so wide across the possible women that any woman can find some man who is attracted to her. SunWukong There’s your easiest illustration of the upper 20% that most women want. They don’t even realize… Read more »

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SJF: “You’ve read “The Way of Men” by Jack Donovan?
He illustrates your description in the chapter entitled “The Bonobo Masturbation Society”
Here is that chapter:

Thanks for the link. That was a sobering read. I haven’t read The Way of Men yet, but I do have the book.

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zomg it’s a wild Rollo! a) OKCupid, a site where people go to hook up, is based far more on attraction than the real world. b) Women definitely find less men attractive than vice versa, but if given the choice of their ideal woman, nearly all men would select a woman that would be in the top 20% of attractiveness. I’m not gonna go on pornhub, but I know some men like gross stuff like very fat girls or weirder stuff, but thats a minority i think. Most likely an insignificant minority (nods) So yes, pareto principle for attraction is… Read more »

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a) OKCupid, a site where people go to hook up, is based far more on attraction than the real world.

How do you know that to be true, outside of your own solipsism, dearie?

What’s your data set look like, your blue-balled boyfriend, some 3-way hookups, etc.?

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@AR

Not future tense, but present and past tense.

Of course.

Also, keep in mind you don’t need that book to see some of what okcupid can see with their massive sample size. Their blog posted one of their most telling findings a while back. It completely supports Rollo’s assertion of:

Men’s arousal cues for women are far more static and far more stringent than women’s are for men.

TL;DR: men rating the attractiveness of women show a bell curve where 50% fall in unattractive, 50% in attractive. Women rating men show a curve where upwards of 80% of men are straight up unattractive.

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b) Women definitely find less men attractive than vice versa,

No, dearie, women find fewer men attractive than vice versa, because humans are discrete objects.

but if given the choice of their ideal woman, nearly all men would select a woman that would be in the top 20% of attractiveness.

How do you know that to be true, outside of your own solipsism, dearie?
What’s your data set look like, again?

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a) OKCupid, a site where people go to hook up, is based far more on attraction than the real world.

lol, if I could count the number of okcupid profiles with “NO HOOKUPS”….

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Emilyslut, the philosophy major Arriving at a monogamous state has always been seen as the correct goal. “Always” means “for all time”. So in your very educated opinion, there have never been any civilizations that practiced polygamy? Really? It is the model that society has adapted over time because it guarantees stability China is thousands of years old, and for long stretches of that time (centuries in some dynasties) very stable. Can you guess what the term “second wife” means? Now, as it happens, I believe that an industrial civilization is an outgrowth of certain forms of monogamy. But I… Read more »

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@Sun Wukong:

Excellent, I was just trawling for that very posting of OKCupid, it is essentially a few pages from the book Dataclysm. A fine demonstration of the difference between male and female attraction triggers, not to mention hypergamy.

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My bad. it’s been seen as the correct goal for the west since the Catholic Church formed. And the rest of the world adopted it once they realized it’s the most stable model.

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This woman should stop typing.

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“This woman should stop typing.”

There’s an easy solution to this problem.

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@Liz

“That was a sobering read.”

That chapter was the only sobering one.

I found the book tremendously helpful in defining masculine identity in a feminized society. Especially in terms of parenting sons. Thank gods I read it when my son got into some bit of trouble 2 1/2 years ago and now he is really doing great. (And I don’t even talk to him about red pill).

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“So yes, pareto principle for attraction is seen in men and women. The only difference I guess is that men are more likely to settle for someone outside the 20%.”

While a woman is wired to seek a male with a SMV higher than her own, men are wired to accept a woman within a range centered at his SMV.

http://therationalmale.com/2013/06/20/smv-ratios-attachment/

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@Sun and Andy
“There’s an easy solution to this problem.”

Yeppers, it’s called the scrollbar.

I’m talking to rollo, forge and sjf. myob

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Try to help someone get both feet out of their incredibly huge mouth and they miss the point. And she wonders why “daft cunt” is the only description of her that comes to my mind.

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At lunch can not read all post but the blonde (not miss Emily) got my attention.
“He then goes on to assert that once society frees, or even worse, incentivizes women’s hypergamy societies fall apart”

Matriarchy is an apex civilization event; probably what killed the dinosaurs too.

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lol @ “I’m not talking to you”

Guys please stop feeding the troll. She’s not here to learn or engage as an adult.

Typical ‘party years’, solipsistic, entitled female. If you’re not feeding her ego kibbles, then she has no use for you.

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Emilyslut on monogamy
My bad. it’s been seen as the correct goal for the west since the Catholic Church formed.

Dearie, the Romans and Greeks were monogamous for centuries B.C.

And the rest of the world adopted it once they realized it’s the most stable mode

Sure, that’s why there’s no polygamy in the Moslem parts of the world, right?

Dearie, does your daddy know what he’s not getting for his money at that overpriced slumber party you call “college”?

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Guys please stop feeding the troll. She’s not here to learn or engage as an adult

These are the War Brides of the Comment Section, a self-ghettoization that should only be read for entertainment

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Anon, I usually don’t address you because you are a moron who only insults me, but I’ll do so this time. First of all, if I’m a slut, but in RL wouldnt fuck you, what does that say of you? hmm? Secondly, just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean you are intelligent and I am not. In fact, it means the opposite. Greeks and Romans for example were monagamous but had few religious laws restricting premarital and extramarital sex for men and women. This was largely something done by the Catholic Church. And you show your stupidity again in… Read more »

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@All The conversations with Emily are not for nothing. She is a useful foil. I’m not going to apologize for engaging in intellectual debate as a surrogate behavior in a time when I don’t have to life life with a pointy stick in my face. @Emily You have been at this for enough time to know that you have to qualify to us. The commenters in a male space. You do know this with your dabbling in a red pill space. Right? When you are in a hole, some times you just need to stop digging to save face and… Read more »

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@SJF

Show us you can actually engage in a philosophy major’s intellectual train of thought. I haven’t seen you do so.

Spewing exactly what the textbooks and professors have told them is the average philosophy major’s intellectual train of thought. It’s why it’s a worthless fucking major.

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Emilyslut Anon, I usually don’t address you because you are a moron who only insults me, but I’ll do so this time. Butthurt much? First of all, if I’m a slut, but in RL wouldnt fuck you, what does that say of you? hmm? Nothing at all, dearie, it just illustrates how butthurt you are to resort to this particular female game. Besides, I wouldn’t want to catch any STD’s… Secondly, just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean you are intelligent and I am not. In fact, it means the opposite. Greeks and Romans for example were monagamous End… Read more »

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…Find Emily…

…some of my drink went up my nose…

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” First of all, if I’m a slut, but in RL wouldnt fuck you, what does that say of you? hmm?” Funny how some chicks view their sexuality…like a shaming tool or a punishment of some sort. That has always fascinated me, every time I witness a ” I wouldn’t fuck you!!” tantrum. If a chick won’t fuck you to prove a point, what does that say about her? approx. 125 million adult females in the U.S., so why do chicks think that they are saying anything of worth by ” I wouldn’t fuck you” ? 125 million…let me ponder… Read more »

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Blaximus Funny how some chicks view their sexuality…like a shaming tool or a punishment of some sort. Eh? Nah, that’s Teh Golden Poozle. Every man wants it, only a few can has it. We’re all sposed to sit up and beg for it, because that’s what her boifriends have always done in the past…because speshul snowflake Poozle. Antibiotics afterwards…optional… Oh man, this is gonna be a real eye opening experience for lil Em in about 15-20 years. Lmao. Yep. Maybe sooner, if she parties really hearty, takes up smoking, etc. Lurkers might want to take notice of Speshul Snowflake Emily,… Read more »

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Have you seen her music videos?

What? Emilyslut has vids? All I knew about was pix…

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“Spewing exactly what the textbooks and professors have told them is the average philosophy major’s intellectual train of thought. It’s why it’s a worthless fucking major.” Sun Wukong for the win. Exactly my point. “Funny how some chicks view their sexuality…like a shaming tool or a punishment of some sort. Oh man, this is gonna be a real eye opening experience for lil Em in about 15-20 years. Lmao.” 15-20 years? I don’t see the skillz. I give her 10. We’re old school where the baseball is slower to the plate. New school, the baseball is aimed toward the head.… Read more »

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You girls earn dis-repect. Useful foils. First Emily and then Inanity are preety much embodified in lyrics: There’s certain things you’re s’posed to know When you’re a girl who grows up in the south I try to use my common sense But my foot always ends up in my mouth And if I had to walk a runway in high heels in front of the whole town I’d fall down And my mama cried When she realized I ain’t pageant material I’m always higher than my hair And it ain’t that I don’t care about world peace But I don’t… Read more »

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SJF, I thought we were getting along and having a nice conversation Bah, I’m just not appreciated over here! > How bout you buy into this stuff and not keep denying women’s true nature. I didn’t realize all women were the same. > You can’t seriously be thinking that Rollo’s writing is bullshit Rollos writing aint bullshit at all! I never said that. > You will be a better wife, mother and lover in the end of your journey. It is the Catholic model, whether you like it or not The Catholic model for marriage is described perfectly in ‘Love… Read more »

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@SJF

Sun Wukong for the win.

Exactly my point.

To be fair, I also think it’s impossible to have an interesting philosophical thought without a few decades of life experience. It shouldn’t even be available as a major to anyone under 40.

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“Bah, I’m just not appreciated over here!”

Emily, way back when you first arrived I asked you what you were trying to accomplish posting here and you said you were only here to, “blow off steam”. I must ask again. Two questions this time:
1) What are you trying to accomplish posting here?
and
2) Do you have a split personality?

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Neuroplasticity rabbit trail time… Blow off steam A term appropriated from railroads of the latter half of the 19th and first half of the 20th century…steam locomotives, obviously. A popular pscychology term that one still hears, some 60 or so years after the last steam loco went to the scrapyard or the museum. Such is the power of popular memes. It’s bunk. It’s wose than bunk, in fact. Neuroplasticity tells us that “practice makes … wait for it … permanent. Not perfect, only perfect practice makes perfect. A person who forms the habit of venting his orher anger on others… Read more »

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1) I’m here to discuss TRP with people more mature than the guys on reddit *nods*

2) Certainly! Though I’m awesome regardless.

No but seriously, I treat Rollo, SJF and Forge well cause they dont insult me constantly. I’m rude to people who are rude to me. Shocker, right? ‘Omg she treats people differently based on how they treat her, she must have a split personality!’

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Emilyslut (hey, where’s the pic?)
I’m here to discuss TRP…

In order to actually discuss someting a person has to be able to learn from others, or at least attempt to understand their point of view…

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She’s not here to discuss TRP.

You meancomment image she lied?!

I never in a million years would have expected that.

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OmGsss, I forgot the picture!

Rollo, I don’t comment on Dalrock or BGR anymore. I got no love for hypocrites who misuse the Bible.
I even comment on Insanity’s rarely.

Yknow I’m really interested in TRP cause I even joined on Reddit afer you suspended me but they were far more juvenile then the guys here. So yeah, I do want to discuss it but I guess I have gone very far off topic here so I should prolly stop posting in this thread and come back later.

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@Emily

1) I’m here to discuss TRP with people more mature than the guys on reddit *nods*

That word “mature”, I don’t think it means what you think it means. I think it’s code for, “men who don’t always brutally confront me with the holes in my canned feminine pushback ‘arguments.’ ”

If men have to deal with female duplicity and remain men, then frankly you lady-folk should have to deal with male abrasiveness and smile in spite of it.

Go back to reddit, coward.

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@Jeremy

You know? Now I know how to take that other chick I was talking about the other day. Abrasiveness as an understandably male trait…..Amituofo. It’s been there for me all along if I just take it….

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Emilyslut
OmGsss, I forgot the picture!

That’s better…

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@Rollo

>:(

but whatever. I’m glad you are man enough to not block anyone who disagrees w you or your readers unlike BGR roll

@Jeremy

srs the kids on reddit are like in HS or something. I get comments like ‘stfu or else im gonna shove me **** down your throat’ or etc.

Thats what i mean by juvenile.

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@emilyy96

srs the kids on reddit are like in HS or something.….Thats what i mean by juvenile.

How very meta of you.

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[…] interesting side discussion was started in what proved to be a very popular post thread for The War Brides of Europe, and rather than let it disappear beneath a thousand-plus comments I thought I’d pick up on […]

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” I’m rude to people who are rude to me. Shocker, right? ‘Omg she treats people differently based on how they treat her . . .”

Oooooh, the frickin’ irony.

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“but whatever. I’m glad you are man enough to not block anyone who disagrees w you or your readers unlike BGR” If you are truly here to engage mature people on RP topics you should be aware that the above is exactly the type of shaming technique that tends to be unwelcome. It is possible to flirt without denigrating others as “not man enough”. You’ve done this in a number of your responses, offering compliments that are really back handed insults toward others (“you’re interesting and clever, unlike (this poster) who is disgusting” and so forth). That’s a manipulative tactic… Read more »

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In her first interview since Kurdish special forces recovered her in northern Iraq, the 16-year old told a Kurdish TV channel she had met her boyfriend in mid-2014 after dropping out of school in Sweden. “First we were good but then he started to look at ISIS videos and speak about them and stuff like that,” Marlin Stivani Nivarlain told Kurdistan 24 in a brief interview, using another name for the Islamic State group. “Then he said he wanted to go to ISIS and I said OK, no problem, because I didn’t know what ISIS means, what Islam is —… Read more »

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I forget where I saw an interview with a Muslim punk living in Germany, teenager, part of a gang of thugs that liked to film themselves beating and harassing the white German kids in the school. The white kids were almost always outnumbered as the Muslims attack in numbers (something I’ve observed myself) and rarely fought back. He said quite plainly that the Muslims would conquer Europe through aggression and breeding at well above the rates of the whites. He said something to the effect of “I will marry your sisters and your daughters, and they will wear the hijab”.… Read more »

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It’s just another special forces operation (jewish mossad is a founder of this “rape-migrants” thing).
Goal: destabilise europe and bring attention away from jews. Then, they will offer “solution” and demand voting for them to rule whole Europe (which they do anyway, but not officially yet).

As for stupid comments about Russia…
Putin is a russian JEW, go figure!
There’s no east vs west “conflict” (russia vs EU).
Divide and conquer.

Poland (JudeoPolonia) will fight back, because this will be next real Israel (after USA & Israel as we know it today collapse).

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@Mossad_Agent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OfwhGQONbg

GTFO. Dipshit.

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Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews.

So, now that we’ve stipulated that and the Muslim Brotherhood has been heard from – back to business:

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When you divert resources from warriors to go to maternity leave, violence prevention and sentivity training courses, here’s what you get:

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/veterans/2016/02/15/calls-veterans-suicide-hotline-went-voice-mail-report-says/80409966/

The VA Suicide Hotline Sends Veterans to Voicemail.

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Perhaps the staff was taking a curry break.

“I will be thinking we are most sorry to be not in the office in this particular moment. Be leaving a voice message in the voice message box and we will most certainly be getting back to you in the moment which is possessing the most convenience.”

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” That’s a manipulative tactic that doesn’t work well with this audience.”

Haha

It wasn’t manipulation by the way, it was the truth. BGR bans everyone who disagrees with him.

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Stating that BGR bans everyone who disagrees with him isn’t a manipulation tactic. That is stating an opinion.
Stating, “I’m glad you are man enough (to do x, unlike y)” is a manipulative shaming tactic and it reflects poorly on you.

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In all seriousness (just throwing this out there, not to Emily) it does seem like social media has had a very adverse influence on social intelligence. Aren’t I just sort of stating the obvious above? And doesn’t the average ten year old who has lived in the real world for any length of time “gotten” the distinction between stating an opinion/ disagreement/persuasion and a shaming manipulation tactic?

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Mike is reading a book called ‘Outliers’ and he mentioned an interesting chapter to me about longstanding feuds between families (for example the Hatfields and the McCoys). According to the book they traced the cause back to their ancestral legacy as herdsmen. Herdsmen depended on good grazing land and so forth for their livelihood and things tended to be more predatorial. They had to develop more “street cred” than the average farmer, so honor and reputation mattered more. Well….this legacy was passed on indirect via the community and family culture that was taught. So generations later you get longstanding family… Read more »

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“In all seriousness (just throwing this out there, not to Emily) ”

Yeah suuureeeee

” it reflects poorly on you.”
Why?
Rollo doesn’t ban people who disagree w him and thats a good thing. Insanity doesn’t either.
BGR does, and that’s pathetic.

That’s all I was pointing out. How manipulative of me!

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