The War Brides of Europe

(h/t to greyghost for today’s video)

Comment from Kaminsky on Dalrock’s thread:

What I find with that video of the Danish feminist. If there were such a thing as a Master’s Degree in the manosphere, you could show the candidate that video and have him break down all the elements of the female mind displayed. Point by point;

  • Let’s you and him fight
  • Shit-testing
  • Extraordinary lack of accountability
  • Collectivism to the depths of her soul
  • A form of AF/BB…In that men have to be both ends of behavior to meet females’ changing needs. Meek and placid during the forty years of feminist play-acting fun-time, now all of a sudden a different kind of man is needed.
  • Victim/victim convenient duality. Victorious feminists imposed their will and opened borders, now they’re victims and it’s up to men to clean it all up.
  • Equalist/androgynous when it suits whatever need, strong gender roles when it suits whatever need.

So amazing.

“Intractable solipsism” belongs in that list as well.

I apologize in advance if this post comes off as overly dramatic or kicking a hornets’ nest. It’s not my intent to wax poetic, but it will serve a purpose.

I was asked about my take on the current ‘migrant crisis’ in Europe by several Red Pill friends (both online and in person I should add), and how I thought it played into what I’ve written in the past about the War Brides dynamic. As my readers know I never delve into issues of politics, race or religion on this blog unless those issues are directly related to intersexual social and personal dynamics.

So it was with this in mind that I considered connecting the dots between Hypergamy and the War Brides dynamic and what I believe we’re beginning to see now in Europe. However, before I get too deep I thought I’d pick Ms. Thranholm’s interview apart first.

A Schism in the Feminine Imperative

I’ll agree with Kaminsky on his take for the most part; the degree of default entitlement women feel they have to men’s physical protection is glaringly evident, especially coming from ardent feminists, but the side-glance vitriol for European men wearing skirts in protest to the rash of ‘migrants’ raping/harassing European women only highlights feminist duplicity.

Is this rash as widespread as these women are making it? Hard for me to say, but not a day’s gone by since this migration that several ‘incidents’ of these migrant’s sexual assault (assault that would land the average European male in jail or make an American man a sex offender overnight) has been in my Twitter feed. I’ll leave that interpretation up to my readers, however what’s glaringly evident is the duplicity in the reaction strong independent® feminists are having to these assaults.

In the video Thranholm at last drops the feminist boilerplate and makes the concession all feminists (and Red Pill deniers) are loathe to hear – our society has become feminized. I’ve been making this point since the days of my writing on SoSuave; western society has become founded on a feminine social primacy that prioritizes women’s imperatives (Hypergamy) above all other considerations (lead photo NSFW). The fabric of western society from our religions, to our work cultures, to our personal relations, to our educational institutions, to the foundations of our parenting, have been progressively and systematically feminized over the course of 60+ short years.

To have a woman like Thranholm voice this from a visceral, fear based necessity is an indictment of how unignorable this feminization as become. In a similar fashion to how Open Hypergamy and soon Open Cuckoldry are becoming too socially evident to ignore, so too is the fact that an increasing majority of western(ized) men believe that touchy-feely feminized solutions to conflict are their first best alternative to violent, physical, in-your-face conflict resolution.

“This militant feminism that has been going on for decades, now we see the consequences that many men here are brought up to be like women, and to think like women, and be soft-minded.”

Iben explains in no uncertain terms that a lack of conventional, complementary masculine strength is so lacking in Europe that even feminist women are beginning to feel uneasy in the uncertainty that their safety could be insured by average European men. Underneath all of the posturing of strength, feminism still needs “muscle” for its physical defense. When feminism looks to its loyal White Knights for that muscle it finds them dressed in mini-skirts and high heels.

Without missing a beat, scowling feminist interviewer, Anissa Naouai, presents the complete obliviousness of the gravity of the situation women are facing…

“But that is what Europe is about, that is part of the European qualities that the European Union promotes.

[…] “These refugees are coming to Europe, shouldn’t they adapt to that?”

This is a glaring example of the degree of cognitive dissonance that has been cultivated in our feminine-primary social order. The idea that men who wouldn’t recognize that feminine social primacy exist, much less who would entirely ignore it, is so alien a thought that it never enters Anissa’s mind.

An Appeal to Honor

Iben continues and answers Anissa’s question without really realizing it.

“Now we see that these post modern values are just a construction.”

I thought this was interesting when we consider how long we’ve been told the opposite – that the popular concepts of conventional, evolved gender roles are the social construction. However once these ‘post modern values’ are slammed into the harsh conditions of a reality that diametrically contradicts it, then, then it becomes a question of “where have all the cowboys gone?” Now the truth is revealed that it is in fact this post modern, feminized interpretation of gender that is the social construct – and one with potentially disastrous consequences.

“…and now we see that we don’t have any male that can stand up, that can fight, who can fight back those male aggressions that we are feeling. So the vacuum that feminism has created means that women are the victims of those male aggressions”

And now we come to the standard appeal to the Male Catch 22 I described in The Honor System many years ago:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Perhaps we haven’t reached it quite yet, but we are approaching a social tipping point where the physical necessity of conventional masculinity will outweigh the liability to women in ceding the power that feminine social primacy represents. The need for ‘Man Up’ will outweigh the need for ‘Shut Up‘.

This need for women’s defense predictably gets couched in men’s Burden of Performance, and now that shit’s gotten real we see this dynamic laid bare in women’s shaming of men for not putting themselves bodily between them and an attacker. This is where Iben’s premise, and the sham of the Feminine Imperative’s social engineering, breaks down. And ironically the very idea of a new “male revolution” or supporting conventional masculinity on a social scale is even more appalling to Anissa than the reality of rising potential sexual assaults on women:

“It means that men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture. Because now this post modern project is dead, it doesn’t work…”

Iben goes on for a bit repeating the same men need to take responsibility for defending women trope in various ways and tries to explain to Anissa in as black and white a way that reality necessitates this. However the real disconnect, the most poignant illustration of feminisms denial of reality comes from Anissa after all of this:

“But the mass rapes shouldn’t be happening in the first place.”

“I’m sorry, uh, what?”

“The mass rape, the violence shouldn’t be happening in the first place. These are guests essentially who Europe has welcomed.

[…] should (women) have to protect themselves against mass rape on their streets at home?”

The utter cognitive dissonance of Anissa with her inability to grasp that these male ‘guests’ (who should be beholden to the Male Catch 22 by default) wouldn’t honor the dictates of feminine primacy is staggering. So much so it even fazes Iben for a moment. However, this disconnect is a textbook example of the sociological and psychological schism that is (or will soon) taking place for European women given their present reality.

I’ll stop here because Iben goes on to reiterate most of her points, and gets in another about the need for complementarity in conventional gender roles, but do watch the whole clip. The point I’m making with this is that there is a coming reckoning that a feminine primary society is beginning to face; post modern feminized gender constructs have fundamentally compromised the security of western culture.

Real Solutions

This then begs the question, what comes as a response to this? As I mention, the typical go-to strategy of the Feminine Imperative is to lean on men’s shame for not taking the masculine responsibility for women’s (and children’s) defense. However the same characteristics that make a conventionally masculine man a good defender are also a liability to women’s sphere of control once all her would-be attackers have been subdued. These are the same characteristic that have been ridiculed, marginalized, denigrated and punished by feminine-centric society for going on 7 decades now.

So what’s the proper response here? No doubt there will be the scorched earth factions who’ll quote us the following:

This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll whisper “no.”
– Rorschach, Watchmen 2009

If men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture it needs to come with a reciprocal incentive for men in doing so. Relying on men’s sense of duty to honor only works insofar as women are appreciative and rewarding of it. As it stands now, the average man either blindly believes his honorable action is to be more “soft-minded” in his approach to honor or has absolutely no motivation to risk himself for women who’ve told him they don’t need his “macho bullshit masculinity” for the past 60 years – right up until she’s assaulted or raped in 2016.

For a complementary gender restructuring of society it implies a reciprocal incentive on the part of women; one I don’t see forthcoming even in the desperate tones of Iben and Anissa.

It may be all well and good to let women such as Anissa to burn along with the rest of feminized Europe, however, Iben does make a valid point; if (European) men don’t do something by reassuming conventional masculinity they stand to find themselves in precisely the position I outline in War Brides:

Evolution has largely selected-for human females with a capacity to form psychological schemas that preserve an ego-investment that would otherwise afflict them with debilitating anxiety, guilt, and the stresses that result from being continuously, consciously aware of their own behavioral incongruities. Evolution selects-for solipsistic women who are blissfully unaware of their solipsism.

[…]women’s peripheral environment dictated the need to develop psychological mechanisms to help them survive. It was the women who could make that emotional disconnect when the circumstances necessitated it who survived and lived to breed when their tribe was decimated by a superior force. This is also known as the War Bride dynamic; women develop an empathy with their conquerors by necessity.

Men are the disposable sex, women, the preserved sex. Men would simply die in favor of a superior aggressor, but women would be reserved for breeding. So it served a feminine imperative to evolve an ability to cut former emotional ties more readily (in favor of her new captor) and focus on a more self-important psychology – solipsism.

Now, here is where I’ll step off the diving board and into the theoretical. It’s my purview that a lot of what men would complain are duplicitous acts of indifference towards them are really rooted in this innate feminine solipsism. That’s a bold statement, I realize, but I’d argue that what men take for inconsiderate indifference in a break up or in ruthless shit tests is really a woman tapping into this innate, self-preserving solipsism. Combine hypergamy with the chronically hostile environments of the past and you end up with a modern day feminine solipsism. Add to this an acculturated sense of female entitlement, social conventions that excuse this ‘duplicity’, and a constant misdirection of intent by women themselves, and you come to where we are now. As if that weren’t enough, throw in the element of hypergamy and the countdown in terms of fertility and long term provisioning that a woman must deal with before hitting the imminent Wall, and now you have a fuller picture of the conditions and stresses that necessitate this solipsistic nature.

It seems clear to me that women who align with Anissa’s feminine-primary mindset exhibit exactly this self-preserving solipsism in the subconscious knowledge that the men of their ‘tribe’ have become acculturated into becoming more like women and unable to defend them from a stronger, more conventionally masculine tribe.

Both Iben and Anissa are on either side of this War Brides dynamic, but both also illustrated the other’s solipsistic approach to dealing with it. I don’t claim to have the solution to this circumstance, and perhaps that should be the focus of discussion, but this is exactly the War Brides dynamic I laid out.

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Liz
Liz
7 years ago

You sure have come a long way in a month from being “afraid” of the people posting here. You’re obviously mentally unbalanced. Good Lord someone warn her poor boyfriend before he ties the knot.

Chump No More
Chump No More
7 years ago

@Andy, that poll is easily explained.

Women want to be dominated. In today’s ‘yes means yes’ culture, where beta, feminized men shit their pants if a women looks at them wrong, ‘rape fantasies’ are the only way to get their fix.

@Emily, first and last time I directly address you… I can appreciate your youthful exuberance but your arrogance and ignorance are wearing thin. You do not add to the discussion here and do not get to challenge others here on what is or is not relevant. is exactly right… read more, talk less.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“You suck as a commenter.” “I admit, I didn’t realize there was a competition going on.” Either that is a veiled female sub-comm. Or, it kind of shows that you don’t care about your standing in this blog community. Don’t you think twice when you are in a humanities, philosophy or theology class at your university? Don’t you care what the professor and other students think of what you say? Well, we all know what grade professor Tomassi would give you here. Or what other commenters think of you. Why don’t you step up your game or take your ball… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Thanks for the link, Rollo.
Much like the joke about an attention whore drowning (or was that a lawyer?), it’s a good start.

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

“Aaaand how is that relevant?”

Being upset about reality doesn’t change reality. Murder isn’t going away. Rape isn’t going away. I’m not defending it, but it is what it is.

emilyy96
7 years ago

If a guy was to post his photo, would you accuse him of attention whoring?

emilyy96
7 years ago

Bah.. You know what guys, you are right. I’ll try to post less and contribute more to the discussion. And I’ll try to ignore Liz’s childish jabs in the future.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

If a guy posted “Dude, you’re just jealous because I’m so built and young and rich and good looking…way better looking than you”
To someone he’d never met or seen,
and then he posted a picture of himself it would be pretty obvious what he was doing. But there’s no one in here anywhere near that stupid except you.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/594/533/54d.jpg

Emily. Every single fucking time she posts. Every time.

And yes, attention whoring with pictures in internet discussions is pretty much the exclusive domain of young chicks. Why do you think 4chan doesn’t say “Dick or GTFO”?

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

I posted a pic once, and it triggered a 900-comment discussion about how Looks Don’t Matter.

I think they were trying to make me feel better…. 🙁

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

Re: this thread

Women are the real misogynists.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I am not a misogynist. I can count on one hand the number of women I don’t get along with on the internet, and PJ counts as three.
I get along fine with just about everyone. Emily has had it out for me since she stepped into this forum, and it’s pretty clear why.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

Emily – that’s a decent statistics pull, but it’s all kinda beside the point. The point is how rape narratives, statistics, and so on are being used as a tool to acquire power. The narrative will always be bent to accommodate that end, not the end of preventing rape or helping its victims. Even the narrative about how terribly traumatizing rape must be plays into that. Where do we get the idea that it’s a life-shattering event? I understand that it certainly can be a significant trauma in some cases, but it doesn’t have to be. By contemporary feminist definitions… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@Forge By contemporary feminist definitions I’ve actually been raped twice and neither event really bothers me. This. I can point to one event that even before the modern feminist insanity (20 years ago) people said “Uh… that psychotic bitch basically coerced you. It was pretty much rape.” However, I never really saw it that way. I just see it as some awful shit that happened to me that I learned lessons from. It was traumatic, but not life-ending and certainly not the worst thing that could happen to a person. I’ve long since moved on from it emotionally and psychologically,… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

As a man, I’d like to formally redefine rape to also include being excluded from sex with attractive women and only being allowed to fuck FUMPs. Lotta dudes getting raped out there.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Rollo
Furthermore, the precariousness men must navigate in this respect means they never know what accusation will be lobbed at them when virtually anything that offends or slights a woman is tantamount to rape.

She doesn’t see this because all these things happen to men, not to human beings.

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

“She doesn’t see this because all these things happen to men, not to human beings.”

Not just to men, but to gross weird creepy guys that she doesn’t find attractive. I’m sure when she pictures this stuff happening to men in her life, it NEVER occurs to her to picture an alpha dude she wants to fuck.

Chump No More
Chump No More
7 years ago

@Forge,”Even the narrative about how terribly traumatizing rape must be plays into that. Where do we get the idea that it’s a life-shattering event? I understand that it certainly can be a significant trauma in some cases, but it doesn’t have to be. By contemporary feminist definitions I’ve actually been raped twice and neither event really bothers me.” Interesting perspective and I whole-heartedly agree. Although I’ve never experienced rape, I have no doubt it is a traumatic experience, but I have experienced the trauma of a wife’s betrayal (twice). If the rage of emotions from rape can be expressed (but… Read more »

emilyy96
7 years ago

@Rollo Your post over at Insanity’s was actually very funny 😛 @Forge. I’m sure you look fine 🙂 And lol I actually agree. Women can be their own worst enemies sometimes. We generally treat each other much worse than we treat men. Many women are particularly prone to jealousy of other women, far more than men are, I think. “Even the narrative about how terribly traumatizing rape must be plays into that. Where do we get the idea that it’s a life-shattering event?” Well, real rape IS objectively a life damaging event. There are plenty of psychological studies of rape… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago
SJF
SJF
7 years ago

I actually never heard of or have met anyone in real life that has been raped. So I recuse myself from that discussion. In other words I don’t care about the discussion because it doesn’t affect me. That is not to imply that I don’t think it is a problem or have empathy for the victims of rape. Rape is deplorable. Changing the subject, Emily. What is with your social clinical retardation? Why do you use the term terpers when it is never used here and I have never heard of the term before, ever, in the manosphere. It seems… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

I see what is going on here:

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“I actually never heard of or have met anyone in real life that has been raped.” I’ve known quite a few people who have been sexually assaulted, and also many who have claimed sexual assault falsely, and many whose claims I doubt for numerous reasons. What Forge mentioned about BPD girls “going back to” abusive men and being more susceptible to sexual assault I agree with (I think he mentioned that above, I haven’t reread though..). There’s a flip side to that coin though. The same personality characteristics that might make them more prone to assault also make them more… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

OT, but tangentially related, re the above “shaming” tactic used toward me, by the prosecuting attorney. It brought me WAY back to about age 14, when I was the recipient of Seventeen magazine and decided not to reorder. I received a letter in the mail with a long lament from the company. “We thought you were our friend…why are you abandoning us? We’ve seen you through everything.” And so forth. It was not subtle because I was in the cohort most likely to be influenced by that sort of tactic and subtlety wasn’t necessary (we see some of that above,… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

@emily Well, real rape IS objectively a life damaging event. There are plenty of psychological studies of rape victims that show that. Buuuut, you are somewhat correct that it doesn’t have to be a life shattering event. Then would you agree that child abuse (sexual or otherwise) is a far worse crime than rape since the child abuse victim is immature and thus incapable of dealing with what happened to them? If you do agree, then by what justification do we as a society remove due process rights from those accused of rape, yet preserve them for people accused of… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

“I’m sure you look fine” Lol girls, reflexively comforting people they like. It’s no bad thing I guess. Hey Emily, no worries. I’m better looking than you 😉 @Liz Good comment, thanks for the perspective. Again – we’re not really talking here about the actual sequelae of real, traumatic rape; the point (which you’re adding too) is how the social narrative is being used as a power grab by the FI. @SJF I don’t think this is a tangential topic at all for this blog. But Emily isn’t really engaging the disputes we have with her (largely parroted) perspective. Emily:… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
7 years ago

For those interested, Emily’s use of ‘terper’ is a derogatory for red pill men created/penned on ‘thebluepill’ subreddit.

She clearly has contempt for what we do here.

I would argue that the entertainment value from engaging with her is far outweighed by the validation she receives from her blatant attention whoring.

Just ignore her and she’ll eventually go away.

emilyy96
7 years ago

@Jeremy Child abuse is worse. Everyone has ‘due process rights.’ I know some feminists want people accused of rape to be ‘guilty until proven innocent’ but that isn’t the case in our legal system. @Forge / SJF I’m not parroting any perspective. I’m not a feminist. I think I’ve been relatively neutral on this subject, but I think others may have a bias. I mean, look, I may be a philosophy major, but I consider myself to be pretty good at mathematics and statistics. And from what I’ve seen, whether we take the high estimate or low estimate, there is… Read more »

emilyy96
7 years ago

Chump, I have contempt for TRP on Reddit. Y’all are more chill (well, most of you.)

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

There is plenty of evidence that a great number of rape claims are false. Even the liberal Slate is aware of this.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_never_happen.2.html

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Folks here might imagine my frustration at watching the careers and reputations of friends shattered from false claims and the constant assertion (in real life even) that these are just rare circumstances and are just “anecdotes” that don’t count for some reason. This is actually pretty much the topic that brought me to the sphere (and conversations with folks like this attention whore here).

emilyy96
7 years ago

My claim: “And from what I’ve seen, whether we take the high estimate or low estimate, there is almost zero support for the idea that the majority or even a quarter of rape victims are lying.” Your reply: “There is plenty of evidence that a great number of rape claims are false. Even the liberal Slate is aware of this.” Notice: I never claimed that a great number of rape claims aren’t false. Only that the majority are not false. As for your second post. Anecdotal evidence doesn’t have much value, regardless of how important it is to you, when… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago
emilyy96
7 years ago

RIP reading.

emilyy96
7 years ago

^the above post wasn’t directed towards you Rollo, but towards Liz 😮 🙂 No he wasn’t guilty of rape.. ofc. Thing is, I don’t mind activism against insane nonsense like that or ‘yes means yes.’ But you should attack the extreme elements of the rape awareness movement, not the whole thing – which is necessary and we should appreciate it’s importance. Also, as I said I don’t think the current legal system in america is especially unfair towards people accused of rape. Thus, I think the government statistics and studies by researchers (such as what Liz posted, 17% of rapes… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

emilyslut Everyone has ‘due process rights.’ I know some feminists want people accused of rape to be ‘guilty until proven innocent’ but that isn’t the case in our legal system. Chuckle. You don’t actually read anything Rollo posts, now do you, dearie? “You can lead a whore to culture but you can’t make her think”. —Dorothy Parker Which reminds me, in the case of the Montana uni quarterback who was punished for an accusation of rape without due process of law (as reported in the Washington Post), based on the scanty info it appears to have been a case of… Read more »

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

” . . . as I said I don’t think . . .”

And you were doing great right up until then.

emilyy96
7 years ago

I do read all of Rollo’s posts. Thing is, picking a bunch of stories from all around the Western World of fake rape accusations doesn’t prove anything. Hell, we had a case in Texas a while ago where a man sexually assaulted a two year old he was baby sitting (who had vaginal bleeding) and her four year old sister was a witness. But he wasn’t convicted.

See, we could play this game forever. There are rapists who walk free and innocents who are arrested for rape.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

emilyslut I do read all of Rollo’s posts. If that was true, you would not right such an obviously false statement as: Everyone has ‘due process rights.’ I know some feminists want people accused of rape to be ‘guilty until proven innocent’ but that isn’t the case in our legal system. To be specific: What “due process rights” are there in a university kangaroo court where “preponderance of evidence” means that a man accused of a crime can’t have an attorney, can’t call witnesses, can’t confront his accuser (in fact, may not even be allowed to know who she is)… Read more »

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

” . . . exaggerated claims of being gang raped on the glass shards . . .”

The certain tell to me was the way she described glass, particularly the bit about a thrown beer bottle shattering on her head.

That’s the way “glass” in movies, made out of sugar behaves. Not actual glass. It was obvious to me that she was creating scenes in a drama, not describing actual events. And that she was too ignorant of reality to know that other people aren’t.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“You can lead a horticulture, but you can’t make her think.”
― Dorothy Parker, You Might as Well Live: The Life and Times of Dorothy Parker

“If you wear a short enough skirt, the party will come to you.”
― Dorothy Parker

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

And the story is that Parker composed that line off the top of her head at a dinner party when suddenly challenged to make a sentence with “horticulture” in it.

Impressive if true.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

The key word (in the link to military sexual assault claims in that last post) is “unfounded”. This does not mean only 17 percent of the claims were false. I means that 17 percent were so definitively proven not to be true. The burden there is so high is goes far beyond he said/she said, there would essentially either have to be videotaped evidence, or the person was in a different state at the time, or the woman flat out admits to lying. I think it’s reasonable to believe the real number is far far higher considering the standard for… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Just to add, I think it’s pertinent to note these are actual cases that have been filed with the OSI (office of special investigations). Go now to those anonymous “have you been raped?” surveys on the internet, or those anonymous University “rape walls” with the ostensible perp’s name. As I mentioned before, Cui bono.
There is currently status to be gained by faux victimhood. It’s an odd thing for a crime that has been historically linked to shame….why would anyone claim that? But there it is.

emilyy96
7 years ago

Your claim: “False claims outpace sexual assaults in the military” Report: “17% False.” There are almost no studies that suggest that anywhere close to a majority of rape reports are false. I am actually very confused (and VERY interested) why you are trying so hard to prove this. “There is currently status to be gained by faux victimhood” Absolute bullshit. @Mr.Tomassi Well yeah, some women are nutters. Anyway, when the case is closed, either an arrest is made, or false rape, or unresolved/Not enough info. But in almost all studies I’ve read, far more cases are proven than deemed false.… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

The actual report stated: “17 percent unfounded

If you don’t believe there is status in victimhood today, there’s really nothing else to say, Emily. I’ve already called you a moron countless times. Nothing has changed.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“Your claim: “False claims outpace sexual assaults in the military”

That was the title of the article I linked to. Which should be obvious when you click on the link.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Maybe you should show your tits in your photo. People are losing interest.

hank holiday
hank holiday
7 years ago

@culum @yareally @scray Last night was bad, but almost turned it around. Things had gone really well since the last time I went out. My success from my last night out carried over to my job, where I talked with customers for longer than I usually do. There were two guys I talked to for 30min each, and an HB8 milf for about an hour. Was at work so couldn’t game the 8, but had a great convo with her and she kept telling other customers what a blast she was having talking to me. What an awesome DHV that… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
7 years ago

@Liz it would be very easy to shrug Emily off as a moron, but I think it’s closer that her ego investment of ‘women are victims’ is so pervasive that nothing else computes for her. She can’t fathom the logic of the alternative. Her status as ‘victim’ permeates all her comments and her nonsensical explanations for past outrageous behavior.

I wonder if the hard-wried ‘war bride’ dynamic is largely responsible for this default victim hood behavior.

hank holiday
hank holiday
7 years ago

Had a few more insights since i wrote that FR last night. *Biggest regret was not # closing the 6 at the restaurant. Will start making myself # close every girl I met now. *My strength is 1 on 1 with people. I need to find a good place to do that, since I can be very successful with that fast. Once I get some good reference experience, I can move on to more MM/group dynamics that I struggle with. *My voice is deep and tonality generally good, but too quite. What’s a good way to make your voice louder… Read more »

emilyy96
7 years ago

Yeah, but the article said that false rapes were becoming more common, meaning the increase in false rape accusations was more than the increase in rapes, not that the number of false rape accusations were outpacing the number of rapes. You would know that if you had actually read it. Please, please, please tell me you don’t have a daughter Liz. I’m beautiful enough to get more attention than I need or want without being a slut. Chump, this aint about women vs men, not for me. I see this as rape victims vs. people who deny and trivialize rape.… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

This is getting circular. I’m a man, so I’m gonna give one more shot at putting that little arrow pointing out of the circle on top 😀 “And from what I’ve seen, whether we take the high estimate or low estimate, there is almost zero support for the idea that the majority or even a quarter of rape victims are lying.” Irrelevant. Do you see why we’re tending to combat your statistics with anecdote and analysis? That’s not because you’re backing us into a corner. It’s not about the numbers. It’s about the dynamics of making a charge act like… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

@Hank

Fantastic job ‘opening all.’ And for bouncing venues when one wasn’t working for you.

A lot has been written about getting ‘in state;’ a lot of it you need to just find what works for you specifically. I think starting in a chill familiar place like the bookstore is a great start.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

What’s a good way to make your voice louder without sounding shrill?

Always speak from your diaphragm, never from the throat. You can push more air out with the abdominals that way, increasing volume, and still keep the same tone in your voice.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“I’m beautiful enough to get more attention than I need or want without being a slut.”

There is a great deal of ironic comedy in this statement.

“Chump, this aint about women vs men, not for me. I see this as rape victims vs. people who deny and trivialize rape.”

Because in the ideologically myopic world of your experience, anyone who gives light to false claims is denying and trivializing rape. But it’s exactly the opposite case.

emilyy96
7 years ago

Actually it is the case. When people are having a debate about rape victims and the problems they go through and someone buts in and starts by saying ‘men are rape victims too!’ and then gives example after example of false rape, says how the majority of rapes may be false, and then says that there is a lot of benefit to faking rape…I’d say (as would most people) that this person is denying and trivializing rape.

And seriously, I am interested why you think like this. Mommy issues alone doesn’t explain it.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

We aren’t having a debate about rape victims and the problems they go through. That isn’t the topic here. But there are tons of places you can have that conversation.

If you wonder why I think the way I do, you haven’t truly read a word I said. I’ve reiterated it again and again.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

Maybe you should show your tits in your photo. People are losing interest.

comment image

Best line in this entire exchange. I have to agree. Emily’s future terms for posting:

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/023/638/tits_or_gtfo.jpg

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
7 years ago

Polish Newsmagazine feature..

[img src=”http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/02/Islamski5-640×480.jpg”]

[img src=”http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/02/wSieci-Islamic-rape-europe.jpg”]

Mayn 900+ comments.. this thread blew up.

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
7 years ago

Polish Newsmagazine feature.. my b for the repost.. tag was wrong..

Mayn 900+ comments.. this thread blew up.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

@ludiam0ndz

No tags needed, just throw in a url that ends in an image extension like .jpg or .png

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

@sun

I dunno man, I’m still over here white knighting in case we figure out a way to give a blowjob thru the computer screen in the near future.

So

That was totally uncalled for! Chauvinist!

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@Forge

Fine. Show me YOUR tits instead.

emilyy96
7 years ago

@Forge
Ehhh what?! I thought we were becoming friends 😮 🙁 :/

Aaanyway, I thought your post was reasonable. I get your point I suppose, though I will say that we WERE in fact arguing about the number of false rape claims, and that is an important point in this whole rape argument.

“Besides, most of this is just the unfortunate psychological sequelae of trauma than it is specific cultural shaming memes. People tend to blame themselves for bad things that happen to them. It’s not culture, it’s human nature.”

That’s a good point. A+

emilyy96
7 years ago

If only you were nicer to me Sun, I live near Dallas yknow. I coulda told you where the younguns hang :O

Pinelero
Pinelero
7 years ago

This has been like observing subjects from behind a one-way mirror to study their behavior. The logical fallacies, solipsism, and FI-shame speaking- fascinating.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

” If only you were nicer to me Sun….”

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

wtf????

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@Blaximus

She’s not quite sure what to do with men that aren’t submissive like her cuck.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

@ Sun

Lmao. I see the troof.

Especially the ” : O “.

Pfffftttt. Young chicks ( that have an over inflated sense of self worth, that is ).

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

If only you were nicer to me Sun, I live near Dallas yknow. I coulda told you where the younguns hang :O

Told? Not nearly enough with your known history, dearie, you should be offering to be his wing in the college bars just for a start.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Well, this thread has certainly been illuminating to me. I remember a conversation with YaReally about the college environment and what 20 year olds are “really like today”. I found it hard to believe. Surely he was exaggerating, I told myself. I stand corrected.
I’m surprised that everyone isn’t MGTOW with pickins like this.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I guess you get that attitude in a population of 80 percent land whales plus social media. Anyone who isn’t obese believes herself to be extra special. When I was at UF this person would have been considered plain, and reality would have give her a much better ‘tude.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
7 years ago

@hank holiday Great work again – remember that “most people overestimate what they can do in a week and underestimate what they can do in a year (of consistent effort)”. Keep this up and you *will* be good. I have the same issue with wingmen when I’m going out – especially during the week. And even if you have wingmen most of them are terrible (and I’m not talking about their seduction skills – more about their vibe and whether you actually want to spend several hours a night with them). Keep trying..try the big city..may want to see if… Read more »

emilyy96
7 years ago
Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Yes, exactly Emily.
That is why you’ve had it out for me since you stepped in here. It’s why you’ve asserted how “beautiful” you believe yourself to be, and it’s why you’ve attempted to attention whore with the guys in here whenever you aren’t being combative. Everyone is free to go back and read the hyper-insecure way you conducted yourself when you started here, and hyper-insecure way you are conducting yourself now. Secure people don’t sing their own praises. Other people do that for them.

emilyy96
7 years ago

Every time I ignore you (after all, it’s likely Rollo will suspend ME if this goes to far, not you), you just have another jab at me. The fact that you are so riled up from what I’ve said just proves how insecure you are. As does your little exchange with Forge when he said I was good at Math.

I’m not remotely insecure. You think I care what some insecure, post-wall woman who was probably never very good looking in the first place thinks about me?

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Just to add, I don’t have a (self photo) gravatar image for two reasons: 1) it’s distracting 2) anonymity When I establish a good rapport I do kind of like to know what a person looks like to attach a name to a face, and then I reveal mine. At one time I had one, but I had to photoshop it with colors because I didn’t want to be recognized. I had another up for one day but it wasn’t photo shopped and I thought better of it and took it down after receiving this message on one of my… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I posted the above before that last post.
If I’d read it I wouldn’t have posted that. You are best set to ignore. I’ll let others be the judge.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I will say this, I respond to your vitriol because (as i’ve mentioned) I have a personal vested interest in this subject matter. Fake claims of sexual assault are ubiquitous and tearing up the military currently…it is a waste of resources and hinders military effectiveness. It’s not about you and your self described “beauty”.

emilyy96
7 years ago

It’s true though, you just have another jab at me every time I make a post addressing someone else and ignoring you. I’m not too paranoid about anonymity. I’ve got an instagram, twitter, facebook.. Plus y’all know me already thanks to scribbles. The reason I was pissed before was that the photos yall saw were private. As for the rest, it might be true, who knows. Who cares. I’ve noticed that RPW (regardless of how attractive they are) are very insecure about their appearance and about aging. But if you aren’t, good for you. Cool story. Btw, I love Sardinia.… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

My uncle has a home in Sardinia. 🙂

“But yes, let’s just stop now yeah?”
Agreed.

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

lol. So who won?.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I don’t know, but I’m really glad to be able to tear myself away and get some shit done now. 😛

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Andy: ” So who won?.”

Geeeeez, just like a man.

emilyy96
7 years ago

Oh, cool. My family is originally Italian so I’ve been to Italy, and Sardinia, several times.

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
7 years ago

@Forge, Thanks for the tip.. Third times the charm..

Pic1
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/02/Islamski5-640×480.jpg

Pic2
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/02/wSieci-Islamic-rape-europe.jpg

Talk about stoking fear..

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

So, Emilyslut, when are you going to be Sun Wukong’s wing in the Dallas metroplex college bars? Seems like this weekend would be a good time to start, you might even learn something. Although Dorothy Parker might disagree…

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
7 years ago

“Ehhh what?! I thought we were becoming friends”

Damn, thought I was done with the friend zone 🙁

“That’s a good point. A+”

I see your taste in ideas is improving.

I for one totally ship the idea of Emily winging Sun sometime. That would be epic. Record video.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@Andy

lol. So who won?

As with all good cat fights, the audience.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago
scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

Hiya Emily, nice to see you again. Fyi, I’m revising my opinion of you as I do think you are earnest and trying to repair yourself, after doing a lot of damage to yourself at a young age. Hint, a bit of humility would go a long way here, as you are about to find out. As an aside, kudos for being able to do a combinatorial equation, lol, most of the men here were doing them before they left high school. A few points in no particular order. Pix – They were not private. They were photos you posted… Read more »

emilyy96
7 years ago

Woah now, do we have to go there again? Last time I’m explaining this. google plus puts my photos from google photos there. Aint no way to privatize em. only way to do that is go to the settings and click ‘can people see the photos tab on your profile’ and set to off. The way you found them was that you clicked on my profile photo and then clicked on more photos through there. I didn’t know you could do that. But yeah, they were meant to be private. I ended up having to delete the photos and detached… Read more »

redlight
redlight
7 years ago

I was fighting with Liz but that’s over

wait, who the fuck won?

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