(h/t to greyghost for today’s video)
Comment from Kaminsky on Dalrock’s thread:
What I find with that video of the Danish feminist. If there were such a thing as a Master’s Degree in the manosphere, you could show the candidate that video and have him break down all the elements of the female mind displayed. Point by point;
- Let’s you and him fight
- Shit-testing
- Extraordinary lack of accountability
- Collectivism to the depths of her soul
- A form of AF/BB…In that men have to be both ends of behavior to meet females’ changing needs. Meek and placid during the forty years of feminist play-acting fun-time, now all of a sudden a different kind of man is needed.
- Victim/victim convenient duality. Victorious feminists imposed their will and opened borders, now they’re victims and it’s up to men to clean it all up.
- Equalist/androgynous when it suits whatever need, strong gender roles when it suits whatever need.
So amazing.
“Intractable solipsism” belongs in that list as well.
I apologize in advance if this post comes off as overly dramatic or kicking a hornets’ nest. It’s not my intent to wax poetic, but it will serve a purpose.
I was asked about my take on the current ‘migrant crisis’ in Europe by several Red Pill friends (both online and in person I should add), and how I thought it played into what I’ve written in the past about the War Brides dynamic. As my readers know I never delve into issues of politics, race or religion on this blog unless those issues are directly related to intersexual social and personal dynamics.
So it was with this in mind that I considered connecting the dots between Hypergamy and the War Brides dynamic and what I believe we’re beginning to see now in Europe. However, before I get too deep I thought I’d pick Ms. Thranholm’s interview apart first.
A Schism in the Feminine Imperative
I’ll agree with Kaminsky on his take for the most part; the degree of default entitlement women feel they have to men’s physical protection is glaringly evident, especially coming from ardent feminists, but the side-glance vitriol for European men wearing skirts in protest to the rash of ‘migrants’ raping/harassing European women only highlights feminist duplicity.
Is this rash as widespread as these women are making it? Hard for me to say, but not a day’s gone by since this migration that several ‘incidents’ of these migrant’s sexual assault (assault that would land the average European male in jail or make an American man a sex offender overnight) has been in my Twitter feed. I’ll leave that interpretation up to my readers, however what’s glaringly evident is the duplicity in the reaction strong independent® feminists are having to these assaults.
In the video Thranholm at last drops the feminist boilerplate and makes the concession all feminists (and Red Pill deniers) are loathe to hear – our society has become feminized. I’ve been making this point since the days of my writing on SoSuave; western society has become founded on a feminine social primacy that prioritizes women’s imperatives (Hypergamy) above all other considerations (lead photo NSFW). The fabric of western society from our religions, to our work cultures, to our personal relations, to our educational institutions, to the foundations of our parenting, have been progressively and systematically feminized over the course of 60+ short years.
To have a woman like Thranholm voice this from a visceral, fear based necessity is an indictment of how unignorable this feminization as become. In a similar fashion to how Open Hypergamy and soon Open Cuckoldry are becoming too socially evident to ignore, so too is the fact that an increasing majority of western(ized) men believe that touchy-feely feminized solutions to conflict are their first best alternative to violent, physical, in-your-face conflict resolution.
“This militant feminism that has been going on for decades, now we see the consequences that many men here are brought up to be like women, and to think like women, and be soft-minded.”
Iben explains in no uncertain terms that a lack of conventional, complementary masculine strength is so lacking in Europe that even feminist women are beginning to feel uneasy in the uncertainty that their safety could be insured by average European men. Underneath all of the posturing of strength, feminism still needs “muscle” for its physical defense. When feminism looks to its loyal White Knights for that muscle it finds them dressed in mini-skirts and high heels.
Without missing a beat, scowling feminist interviewer, Anissa Naouai, presents the complete obliviousness of the gravity of the situation women are facing…
“But that is what Europe is about, that is part of the European qualities that the European Union promotes.
[…] “These refugees are coming to Europe, shouldn’t they adapt to that?”
This is a glaring example of the degree of cognitive dissonance that has been cultivated in our feminine-primary social order. The idea that men who wouldn’t recognize that feminine social primacy exist, much less who would entirely ignore it, is so alien a thought that it never enters Anissa’s mind.
An Appeal to Honor
Iben continues and answers Anissa’s question without really realizing it.
“Now we see that these post modern values are just a construction.”
I thought this was interesting when we consider how long we’ve been told the opposite – that the popular concepts of conventional, evolved gender roles are the social construction. However once these ‘post modern values’ are slammed into the harsh conditions of a reality that diametrically contradicts it, then, then it becomes a question of “where have all the cowboys gone?” Now the truth is revealed that it is in fact this post modern, feminized interpretation of gender that is the social construct – and one with potentially disastrous consequences.
“…and now we see that we don’t have any male that can stand up, that can fight, who can fight back those male aggressions that we are feeling. So the vacuum that feminism has created means that women are the victims of those male aggressions”
And now we come to the standard appeal to the Male Catch 22 I described in The Honor System many years ago:
Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22
One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.
For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.
Perhaps we haven’t reached it quite yet, but we are approaching a social tipping point where the physical necessity of conventional masculinity will outweigh the liability to women in ceding the power that feminine social primacy represents. The need for ‘Man Up’ will outweigh the need for ‘Shut Up‘.
This need for women’s defense predictably gets couched in men’s Burden of Performance, and now that shit’s gotten real we see this dynamic laid bare in women’s shaming of men for not putting themselves bodily between them and an attacker. This is where Iben’s premise, and the sham of the Feminine Imperative’s social engineering, breaks down. And ironically the very idea of a new “male revolution” or supporting conventional masculinity on a social scale is even more appalling to Anissa than the reality of rising potential sexual assaults on women:
“It means that men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture. Because now this post modern project is dead, it doesn’t work…”
Iben goes on for a bit repeating the same men need to take responsibility for defending women trope in various ways and tries to explain to Anissa in as black and white a way that reality necessitates this. However the real disconnect, the most poignant illustration of feminisms denial of reality comes from Anissa after all of this:
“But the mass rapes shouldn’t be happening in the first place.”
“I’m sorry, uh, what?”
“The mass rape, the violence shouldn’t be happening in the first place. These are guests essentially who Europe has welcomed.
[…] should (women) have to protect themselves against mass rape on their streets at home?”
The utter cognitive dissonance of Anissa with her inability to grasp that these male ‘guests’ (who should be beholden to the Male Catch 22 by default) wouldn’t honor the dictates of feminine primacy is staggering. So much so it even fazes Iben for a moment. However, this disconnect is a textbook example of the sociological and psychological schism that is (or will soon) taking place for European women given their present reality.
I’ll stop here because Iben goes on to reiterate most of her points, and gets in another about the need for complementarity in conventional gender roles, but do watch the whole clip. The point I’m making with this is that there is a coming reckoning that a feminine primary society is beginning to face; post modern feminized gender constructs have fundamentally compromised the security of western culture.
Real Solutions
This then begs the question, what comes as a response to this? As I mention, the typical go-to strategy of the Feminine Imperative is to lean on men’s shame for not taking the masculine responsibility for women’s (and children’s) defense. However the same characteristics that make a conventionally masculine man a good defender are also a liability to women’s sphere of control once all her would-be attackers have been subdued. These are the same characteristic that have been ridiculed, marginalized, denigrated and punished by feminine-centric society for going on 7 decades now.
So what’s the proper response here? No doubt there will be the scorched earth factions who’ll quote us the following:
This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll whisper “no.”
– Rorschach, Watchmen 2009
If men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture it needs to come with a reciprocal incentive for men in doing so. Relying on men’s sense of duty to honor only works insofar as women are appreciative and rewarding of it. As it stands now, the average man either blindly believes his honorable action is to be more “soft-minded” in his approach to honor or has absolutely no motivation to risk himself for women who’ve told him they don’t need his “macho bullshit masculinity” for the past 60 years – right up until she’s assaulted or raped in 2016.
For a complementary gender restructuring of society it implies a reciprocal incentive on the part of women; one I don’t see forthcoming even in the desperate tones of Iben and Anissa.
It may be all well and good to let women such as Anissa to burn along with the rest of feminized Europe, however, Iben does make a valid point; if (European) men don’t do something by reassuming conventional masculinity they stand to find themselves in precisely the position I outline in War Brides:
Evolution has largely selected-for human females with a capacity to form psychological schemas that preserve an ego-investment that would otherwise afflict them with debilitating anxiety, guilt, and the stresses that result from being continuously, consciously aware of their own behavioral incongruities. Evolution selects-for solipsistic women who are blissfully unaware of their solipsism.
[…]women’s peripheral environment dictated the need to develop psychological mechanisms to help them survive. It was the women who could make that emotional disconnect when the circumstances necessitated it who survived and lived to breed when their tribe was decimated by a superior force. This is also known as the War Bride dynamic; women develop an empathy with their conquerors by necessity.
Men are the disposable sex, women, the preserved sex. Men would simply die in favor of a superior aggressor, but women would be reserved for breeding. So it served a feminine imperative to evolve an ability to cut former emotional ties more readily (in favor of her new captor) and focus on a more self-important psychology – solipsism.
Now, here is where I’ll step off the diving board and into the theoretical. It’s my purview that a lot of what men would complain are duplicitous acts of indifference towards them are really rooted in this innate feminine solipsism. That’s a bold statement, I realize, but I’d argue that what men take for inconsiderate indifference in a break up or in ruthless shit tests is really a woman tapping into this innate, self-preserving solipsism. Combine hypergamy with the chronically hostile environments of the past and you end up with a modern day feminine solipsism. Add to this an acculturated sense of female entitlement, social conventions that excuse this ‘duplicity’, and a constant misdirection of intent by women themselves, and you come to where we are now. As if that weren’t enough, throw in the element of hypergamy and the countdown in terms of fertility and long term provisioning that a woman must deal with before hitting the imminent Wall, and now you have a fuller picture of the conditions and stresses that necessitate this solipsistic nature.
It seems clear to me that women who align with Anissa’s feminine-primary mindset exhibit exactly this self-preserving solipsism in the subconscious knowledge that the men of their ‘tribe’ have become acculturated into becoming more like women and unable to defend them from a stronger, more conventionally masculine tribe.
Both Iben and Anissa are on either side of this War Brides dynamic, but both also illustrated the other’s solipsistic approach to dealing with it. I don’t claim to have the solution to this circumstance, and perhaps that should be the focus of discussion, but this is exactly the War Brides dynamic I laid out.
My wife just pointed out that Roosh looks like my oldest daughters ex,maybe that’s it? naah.
@Rollo Full version but shitty camera angle…this is probably the most charismatic/energetic I’ve ever seen Roosh lol: https://www.periscope.tv/w/1djxXalZgPBKZ This first one I linked misses the first few min but has a better angle and you get to see more of Roosh waving his arms around: https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlBaYMpoxL http://31.media.tumblr.com/021f3c2c68923d23b944edd2db1286e2/tumblr_mr3zd4IxNx1sdur6co1_400.gif His followers are rallying up as though he destroyed these guys but the comments that pop up through the video disagree lol I’ll give him credit in that he’s at least trying to make specific points and keep on track for his point, but so much of this comes off as whining and… Read more »
“You’d think if I raped someone, at least ONE woman would come forward saying I raped her, but none have come forward…not ONE has come forward to say I raped her”
…oh Roosh.
http://bourbonstreetshots.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/pokeing-bear3-610×400.jpg
The second video clears up nice in parts in the second half of it if you want some full-screen Roosh action.
YaReally’s link is a recording
you really don’t want to hear it
“So if we have to go underground, I’ll go underground…we never had a goal where we have to do everything in PUBLIC.”
lol. Of course you didn’t, Roosh. I am thoroughly entertained by this.
FRESH OFF A ~46 year old divorced woman’s dating profile: “OK, this might sound harsh but there has to be some sort of physical chemistry. Sorry, but if I don’t want to kiss you what’s the point right? Distance is never an issue when there is a connection! I like confident but not cocky. Romantic but not sappy. Affectionate but not over-bearing. I like my partner to be strong and intelligent but also asks for my opinion if needed. Sexy in my eyes, cheesy at times, but most importantly we have to be able to laugh and have a great… Read more »
kfg Women fight when, for whatever reason, the line of men has failed, to protect the children. There are no rules, there is no honor, they fight from the hindbrain for pure survival. Showing your age? Women for much more trivial reasons. They fight to hurt, to drive off a rival woman, to prove a point, and sometimes just because GrrrlllPOWer. I know of a woman who got mad with her man so she started hitting on him with a hammer. Those were her words to the arresting officers, “I was mad at him, he was boring”. No children involved.… Read more »
Nony reader
” “I was mad at him, he was boring”.”
LOL. this is exactly how a wife feels about her beta hubby… Dutch – are you listening? Welcome the shit tests, because passing the shit test is everything…
Whoops, this might not be good for his income: https://www.change.org/p/amazon-com-amazon-stop-selling-rooshv-daryush-valizadeh-rape-books?recruiter=1520857&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive “So far today, two women who’ve read up about Roosh V (Daryush Valizadeh) and his views on rape, women and ‘dating’ have ended up being physically sick. It’s that repugnant. His books, the ‘Bang’ series, are a thinly veiled guide to getting away with rape. He’s campaigned to end rape — by calling for it to be made legal.” Physically sick?? OMG BURN THE BOOKS!!! PROTECT THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN!! “I’m not going to link his site here; it’s too awful. If you want to read up, I am warning… Read more »
Narwalt
and? this is all women. seriously. All of them, whether 18 28 46 or 70… If they have the opportunity to answer WHAT they are looking for… well you will get some form of Prince Charming or Darth Maul, depending on her psyche…
None of this matters at all though…
^^Her ovaries are past their best before date. Who cares what she, at 46, wants? Only guys lining up to tap her will be like my desperate retarded, syphilitic neighbour. Maybe she’s emily’s aunt?
I’m curious to see when false rape accusations become legislated with mandatory minimums. Until then recording devices and good apres-sex text game are necessary tools in the box.
Something for Iben: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWcASV2sey0
There’s an upside for us in the ‘War Brides’ mind-set.
Leave the fat, tattooed, man-hating European women to their new conquerors. Go grab the feminine, non-feminist, traditional women that the ‘conquerors’ left behind.
Become the conqueror yourself.
@AR: “Showing your age?”
No, the time range of my perspective and the focus of the phenomenon.
” I know of a woman who got mad with her man so she started hitting on him with a hammer. ”
No rules. No honor. She just went berserker.
“I was mad at him, he was boring”.
Because her hindbrain was backed against the wall and fighting for its survival. And the hell there weren’t children involved. It’s babies all the way down.
Change.org…..
Amazon’s gonna cave.
http://www.troll.me/images/mah-nigga/awwww-shiiiiiet.jpg
@AR: “Showing your age?” kfg No, the time range of my perspective and the focus of the phenomenon. In other words, showing your age. ” I know of a woman who got mad with her man so she started hitting on him with a hammer. ” No rules. No honor. She just went berserker. Not exactly. There may have been some chemicals involved…but for sure she didn’t expect to be arrested, probably because GrrlPOWrrr. The rules? The rules are the “Duluth Power Wheel”. Even trailer trash chicks know who gets arrested when 911 is dialed; it won’t be them. Again,… Read more »
@Liz: Why? Is it that hard to believe? @Rollo && Niko Okayso.. you both have a point.I’m not so sure that this was Roosh’s point though, he seemed to be pointing out that women need to more responsible, and was assigning unrealistic expectations of responsibility to women. And even if it what you were saying was his point, it was an awful way to say it. Insensitive, improper, easy to misunderstand etc. In Roosh’s own article many of his readers missed the point and were discussing the merits of legalizing rape on private property. BS like that just gives ammunition… Read more »
@Emily:
http://therationalmale.com/2014/10/19/yes-means-fear/
Read before you make a bigger idiot of yourself.
Emily Okayso.. you both have a point.I’m not so sure that this was Roosh’s point though, he seemed to be pointing out that women need to more responsible, and was assigning unrealistic expectations of responsibility to women. I don’t understand. Aren’t women equal to men? Can’t they handle the responsibility of protecting their own womb from men with criminal intent? I mean, men are asked to “keep it in the pants”, and often do so, when they believe they might be confronted with a crazy chick who just wants free income. They don’t always succeed in avoiding intercourse with women… Read more »
Yes sir, will do
@AR: “In other words, showing your age.” I remember fewer than 50 states. I don’t remember proto-lemurs, which is the time span I am considering. If you mean something like “Millennials think all of history happened in the past 20 years,” then I guess being able to think in that sort of timespan is “showing my age.” “Shifting the goalposts like this is rather beneath you, kfg.” “He’s boring, ” doesn’t mean “He’s boring.” The medium is the message. The medium was hitting him with a hammer. Hence “He’s boring” means something that deserves flipping out and swinging a hammer… Read more »
@ Rollo In the similar vein as your previous comment about women’s ability to make rape accusations against men, here’s a comment I posted on Roissy’s site that I thought was more pertinent here. Nevermind whether or not Rooh’s sarcastic “pro-rape” article was done in good taste or even prudent considering how socially autistic SWJs (and most people) are today who were bound to take it literally. The larger point he was trying illustrate is that women have some culpability when they recklessly put themselves in situations that are high-risk or dangerous. Almost implied by the article is that women… Read more »
@Sentient “If they have the opportunity to answer WHAT they are looking for… well you will get some form of Prince Charming OR Darth Maul, depending on her psyche…” Don’t you mean ‘and’ instead of ‘or’? The above list or fried ice requirements from that forty plusser is quite top-shelf. My buddies and I used to goof around and come up with fried ice ideal males, like a guy who is the Hell’s Angels travelling financial advisor. A guy who is securely employed but who’s also done some time in the past, maybe for stealing cars for the unfortunate. He… Read more »
“I’m curious to see when false rape accusations become legislated with mandatory minimums.” Yeah. Already universities are under pressure to keep their sexual harassment numbers UP, not DOWN in order to maintain their Title IX compliance. Non-compliance being more or less fatal to University’s finances due to the withdrawal of funding for non-compliance, as far as I understand it. So a University with low ‘rape numbers’ apparently has to spike some spodi’s with viagra and Spanish fly in order to ramp up their rape numbers so the gov’t checks come through. Or they can just unleash hordes of women’s studies… Read more »
@Kaminsky:
Back in the day of the American federally imposed 55mph speed limit, Vermont was denied its federal highway funds.
When, rather puzzled about it, they inquired why, they were told that a survey team had determined that they hadn’t posted the quota of 55 mph signs.
To which Vermont responded, “Well duh! We don’t want people driving that fast.”
The state speed limit was already 50 mph.
If any of you have watched – South Park Naughty Ninjas episode – they have actually predicted just that.
In case you didn’t see it – In the beginning of the episode, all the town shames the cops, and tries to paint all of them as oppressors. Then homeless people become a problem, so the maier comes to visit the police and finds them standing in dresses, in preparation for some festival.
@Emily Woman… it seriously shows what you consider justice in your head to be quite a flawed concept. The most important thing in any justice system and any laws that are being passed is to actually make sure that no innocent person gets to serve prison time. You know reasonable doubt etc is a necessity, if there is doubt a person shouldn’t have to serve 12 – 15 years however much it is in prison. You know there are rape kits that can be used to collect evidence… There are also body examinations that can be used to collect further… Read more »
With regards the interview, the Copenhagen journalist talks about European culture and the means by which that culture protected itself in the past. By standing up for our values, by fighting, by war. She mentioned the lack of respect these immigrant men have for our way of life and culture. This is correct, this is an invasion, this is a war. Our ‘weak’ politicians who talk about inclusion and the embracing of different cultures haven’t got the skill set to deal with this, especially German politicians who are still dealing with their nations recent war mongering past. She talks of… Read more »
It’s coming.
An accusation of penetrative rape in a half-second as two commuters bypass each other in a crowd without either of them stopping. It actually made it to court. In fifteen years, how insane will the judges be and how acute will the pressure for conviction quotas be?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435317/Tried-sex-crime-brushed-past-film-star-rush-hour.html
Imagine if the cameras hadn’t caught things so clearly.
“@Liz: Why? Is it that hard to believe?”
I understand this might be confusing to a philosophy major, but I’m asking you to site a source because your unbacked claim conflicts with the facts I am familiar with.
I understand this might be confusing to an old SAHM, but there is something called Google. Use it.
“Anyway… I aint a lawyer, or a police officer, but i think that zero evidence aint actionable in Texas. As for the burden of proof… Well, let’s assume that I actually do get raped. There is a significant chance that I will have little to no proof of it. Let’s say the burden of proof was on me, in that case the rapist would get away, which is just as bad as someone being falsely accused of rape. Stats show about 4% of rapes are found to be false, and about 36% are proven. The gray line in between could… Read more »
I’ll take this to mean you can’t find it. You sure are a moron, Emily.
The first google search, RAINN, indicates that 44 percent of rape victims are under age 18. So, big shocker, you are wrong.
I know what a rape kit is. It doesn’t offer too many definitive answers over the question of consent.
And I do have the source. But I wouldn’t want you to question the facts you are familiar with.
I said the most likely year for a girl to be raped is 13, not the average. There is a difference.
Do you really go to an Ivy league school?
From RAINN:
“Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault.”
I live in Texas, as I’ve stated several times. So no, I don’t go to an Ivy League school nor did I ever claim to.
From the Bureau of Justice Statistics:
“The detailed age distribution of the victims of sexual assault
emphasizes the high proportion of juvenile victims. The
single age with the greatest proportion of sexual assault
victims reported to law enforcement was age 14”
Is this a different Emily?
Naa, I’m the Emily you know and love.
My apologies if you are a different Emily.
I thought I was talking to the Ivy League philosophy major troll.
no no.. I’m the philosophy major. I go to Rice University, fyi.
Not a troll though. I’m not going offtopic or being impolite. You are though.
Y’all are still debating with this dumb bitch? Do I gotta break this shit out?
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From the Bureau of Justice Statistics (I guess I won’t do you the courtesy of citing this one either, as you do not seem so inclined) “Slightly more than a fifth of all rape/sexual assault victims were age 18 to 21. The average age for victims was 27.” Your claim: “The age girls are most likely to be raped is 13” My quote from the same source disputes your claim. Furthermore, your quote does not back your claim. 14 is not 13, reported rapes do not equal actual rapes, and assaults are not rapes. For some reason I thought you… Read more »
My bad, SW.
Ugh. I hate it when i can’t sleep. Anyway Liz, as I said before ‘most likely age of being raped’ is not the same as ‘average age of rape.’ Why? Average is adding all the ages (times the number of rapes) and then dividing by the total number. You get 27. Median is the center number in your set. It’s probably lower than 27. Mode is the value that appears the most in the data (the number most common.) That was 14 in this case. I learnt this in elementary. As for the source, just google U.S. Bureau of Justice… Read more »
@yareally
This might entertain you, if you haven’t seen it already. Roosh met a fan of his who had actual game and was blown away by what was possible:
http://www.rooshv.com/the-king-of-warsaw
http://www.rooshv.com/the-king-of-warsaw-part-2-of-2
@Sun W. LOL!
Don’t fire until you see the bloodshot white eyes of the entitlement trolls.
@Blax
I’m kinda stupid. Ok REALLY FUCKING stupid. But that was a good song I think.
“The detailed age distribution of the victims of sexual assault
emphasizes the high proportion of juvenile victims.”
Juvenile victims are oranges. Adult victims are apples.
Given a randomly selected orange one would expect it to have a higher citric acid content than a randomly selected apple.
Back in the old days when I was a wee pup I had 3 jobs.At first light out in the woods to log,block and load 3cords of green ponderosa.Then back to town suit and tie maitre d’,bad neighborhood nice restaurant bar combo.Then to the college bar till 3.We always protected our women,the server was responsible to collect and we backed their play.Sometimes this was physical,If a woman was manhandled or property was damaged the offender was taken down incapcitated and given what I call the old soft shoe,meaning that they were kicked from about a foot away over the entire… Read more »
Roosh had no coverage of his press conference until this Washington Times article: “If a woman got raped, that is a sad thing. It’s a bad thing. But whose fault is it? Is it the woman’s fault? No, I’m not saying that,” he told reporters. “If I get a BWM car right now and I leave the key inside and park it in a bad area and it gets robbed, whose fault is that?” Continuing on the topic, the writer said he thought the rape allegations against comedian Bill Cosby were “weird,” and said of his accusers: “I don’t think… Read more »
@The Question Very good stuff, this is more or less what I was gonna say about Roosh’s infamous article: “Almost implied by the article is that women should associate with men based on that litmus test: if rape were legal on his property, would she still trust him not to harm her? Is he the type of man who would do the right thing even though the law allows him to do otherwise? If the answer is no, then they shouldn’t.” Right, the thought experiment isn’t ‘what would be the societal ramifications of legalizing rape’ or ‘you should never be… Read more »
RapeResponsibility for Women …http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rapes-linked-to-online-dating-up-by-more-than-450-in-five-years-a6858826.html
So, women go to a website that is synonymous with a hook-up and then they get upset if it wasn’t up to last or most recent hook-up ?!?!?! Or, you thought it was okay to meet strange men for the first time with sexy photo’s distributed and you thought all you were going to do is talk ?!?!?!
You women are so right … it’s not your fault. (#SarcasmAlert)
Re: emily Still don’t quite get the hostility. Has no one here had a little sister that thrived off of baiting you for attention, creating convos designed to create genuine emotions? My sisters (and other girls) do that all that time bc they enjoy my attention and bouncing off my emotions. There’s nothing malicious to it. It’s a healthy way for men and women to interact. IRL, girls only really trust you/listen to you if you can do that with them. Otherwise they don’t feel ‘connected’ to you. Emily comes here because it’s fun for her to spar, get reactions,… Read more »
@Emily “Ugh. I hate it when i can’t sleep.” Most people on here don’t like it when you can’t sleep. Some of us wish you were really really busy and had no time to post online. 🙂 About common sense and avoiding danger. This reminds of the comment Blax wrote about seeing so many young women out late all hotted up and solo. Imagine if you had a wheel barrow full of cash and you decided to push that load of cash through a ghetto or known thug area late at night all by yourself. You get then get robbed,… Read more »
The answer to this is simply a Meta Operation Valkyrie: I reverted to Islam about 20 years ago, and I haven’t been touched by SJWs ever since, none of them, of any stripe. I’m bulletproof in my industry/chosen field. Now, I do not support all these Muslim nutjobs, to be sure, but since my fellow Whites were once Warrior Pagans, who adopted a Middle Eastern Religion, and then became Warrior Christians, the answer to all this hype is simple-it’s been done before. If the White men of Europe converted to Islam en masse, they would simply take over all the… Read more »
When European men were pagan they conquered the whole of the Mediterranean basin, including the Middle East. When they adopted the Abrahamic religion of their backwater Asian province their Empire crumbled.
The obvious solution is for Europeans to return to their NATIVE religions, which are progressive approved, put on the manly skirts of the hoplite and centurion, and take over.
@ Forge the Sky
I’m surprised Roosh hasn’t written a post at his site or ROK making the same point (maybe it’s in the works?). Eventually they are going to have to go on the offensive by throwing the “pro-rape” accusations back at their critics.
Hey @Blaximus (et al),
If you’ve got the time, I would love to hear any thoughts you have about helping guide and raise girls. I’m finding myself in that role increasingly w/ my teenaged sisters. I engage them emotionally and give them no-nonsense guidance/perspective, so that’s probably why.
I don’t have any specific questions or concerns, so sorry if that’s too open-ended to do anything with. I’m just wondering if you had any general insights or pitfalls to avoid.
@Rollo: in addition to a rape allegation there are least two other scenarios where an accusation is as good as a conviction: domestic violence and child abuse.
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To a woman there is no such concept as exonerated by sentence served: they prefer hell on earth–endless torment.
@enrique
“CONVERT and take over.”The most absurd thing I have heard yet.What will happen is martial law a thorough house cleaning and reeducation camps for the survivors,at a great expediture to the EU.And the only reason they haven’t or won’t exterminate is because of feminism.
YaReally, HABD, Sentient, Forge and gang. I’m still in Work Mode but quick FR. Am in my home town this weekend and was at a family event. Slim pickings overall in terms of girls at the event (and town) but a distant cousin brought his new gf. Early 20s, HB7.5, professional ballet dancer. Pretty much the only vaguely attractive girl..lots of kids and families at event. I should add I haven’t shaved in over a week and was wearing some ancient t-shirt and jeans that has seen way better days. No way was I going to mess around or take… Read more »
At this current rate, and yes, things COULD change, but the way things are going, the Brown Muslims are going to outbreed and take over Europe anyhow. Europe will drown in it’s blood, with governments essentially backing the hoards of third worlders. Just as always happens, the “state” will kill its own people first and foremost while the third world’ers look on in amazement and readiness to take over. Conducting what is essentially an Operation Valkyrie posture is the best way to complete take control back and slowly undo the brainwashing. That’s why the very intelligent (if unsuccessful) Nazis who… Read more »
Enrique, that does seem to be it on the surface. I’ve been thinking about that too. Europeans will make Islam ours and then that’s it. The skirt boys aren’t the ones who are going to matter with mass conversion. Skirt boys don’t think in terms of taking over. I think the vestiges of Christ are on a few people’s minds, the type of people who would matter in a religious takeover; and beliefs that liberal secular enlightenment were going to lead to a distinctly European better world are dying slowly. No matter how practically necessary, or even spiritually necessary, the… Read more »
“And the only reason they haven’t or won’t exterminate is because of feminism”
Exterminate who? Muslims?
Or the ‘leaders’ (traitors) who brought this onto Europe?
As Iben Thranholm and more than few commenter allude, European muscle is more than a bit thin on the ground. What is encouraging, if only slightly, is the acknowledgement that the feminization of Western society has gone too far and that if German and Swedish men don’t learn how to fight back, then the freedom that women, and the rest of us, currently enjoy will be extinguished like a candle in the wind. I fear, however, that it is already too late. Does a man who was raised as a “woman” and has not raised in fist in anger, know… Read more »
Oh and PS, HABD – I had a text on Friday from “epiphany chick” about how she had a bath and masturbated thinking about me and really enjoyed it (that was the last thing I told her saying goodbye last week – I kissed her, told her to think about how my hands felt on.. her when she next had a bath, and pushed her away).
I figure it’s just more beta bait to keep the drip going so I haven’t replied yet..gonna reply tomorrow just with “Yes” and no more.
“The obvious solution is for Europeans to return to their NATIVE religions, which are progressive approved”
Islam is progressive approved too. Or at least progressives won’t stand against it any way.
I don’t mind the return idea but it appears there is not the power there, no offense to Thor and Odin. By all means prove me wrong, ye old gods.
I’ll take what works. I’m being massively, ahem, *triggered* by the invasion of Europe.
SB Sunday, you guys would suck as coaches.. Opening drive of the game, First play and Dutch pulls a bonehead move and jumps offside. Now first and 15, no big deal. But wait Coach RM calls timeout and calls Dutch over to explain to him what he just did. Ref has to come over and tell them to get back on the field. Dutch is now explaining what he did to some teammates on the bench. Crowd is booing. Another coach runs over, brings his tablet and start showing Dutch some game film from two years ago. He explains to… Read more »
“Islam is progressive approved . . .”
. . . was the first premise.
“I’ll take what works.”
A rifle behind every blade of grass.
@Forge
Well.. I’m also here for good reasons. I actually found the rape topic with Roosh interesting (esp given the media attention over it) and wanted to discuss it. I came here to discuss it cause you guys were already mentioning Roosh. I don’t think I went off topic or trolled here. Plus I know y’all, and yall know me. We’re practically family 😀
“She comes here because it’s a place where men’s real emotions are actually on display”
THIS may actually be true.
@One
Exterminate the invaders of course.If the refugees were open to learning the ways languages and cultures of the EU welcoming savior countries then they would not be invaders.The EU has held back martial law for some time now as it would hurt the struggling economy.Now they are left with no choice but to act or suffer the consequences.
This boils down to nothing more than power. An “alpha” can be a cuckold just as easily as a “beta”. Men who aspire to attain “alpha” status in the feminine context are playing into and are manipulated by the feminine scam just as ignorantly as the white knight “beta”. This is proven by the fact that “alphas” are commonly described by women as “boy toys”. To overcome this, It is imperative that a man understand his life originates from himself. He should not merely consider himself to be his “own mental point of origin”. That alone suggests he must find… Read more »
Culum
“I figure it’s just more beta bait to keep the drip going so I haven’t replied yet..gonna reply tomorrow just with “Yes” and no more.”
Gonna reply tomorrow with “who is this?” FTFY
@enrique
Or, you know, we could just return to actually practicing OUR religion – Christianity. The religion that brought us this far. The religion that teaches the perfect values. The religion that produced the civilizations that rule the modern world.
@Tom,
Well, I stand corrected. Those ISIS fuckers really are the Uruk Hai…
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkElUE8c_ng&w=560&h=315%5D
Sentient – hahaha. I totally would, except on Whatsapp she can see I haven’t deleted her number (my profile picture would have gone blank if I’d deleted her and her message wouldn’t have reached me).
But point taken about the underlying attitude. Perhaps “good for you” is an alternative..
@Culum Struan: ” I totally would, except on Whatsapp she can see I haven’t deleted her number . . .”
Dude, that’s logic.
“The religion that teaches the perfect values.”
I have been really good about not letting people get to me lately… But this chick is just plain irksome.
@Blaximus lol it’s more that they’re figuring out the way to hurt Roosh is to fuck with him being able to sell his books, whether the petition works or not. Like shaming him, mobbing him, lying about him, etc doesn’t really matter, but if he can’t sell his books and/or his websites go down so he can’t make ad revenue, he’s in trouble ’cause he can’t go get a normal job now. @Niko A chick can false accuse you of stuff even if you don’t go near her or even know her so my view is like well I might… Read more »
@Rollo Tomassi > If I were to walk into Emily’s apartment or she come to mine and we alone sat, had coffee and talked for 30 minutes, the moment either of us left that place she could accuse me of raping her and I would be arrested. I would be considered guilty based on her allegations alone and would by default have the burden of proof laid on me, not her. And even if all of it were proven false I would still be left with the accusation on my reputation and legal record, which I would be expected to… Read more »
stuff, “Exterminate the invaders of course” They aren’t the real problem. If not them it would be something else. If Slovakia and Hungary can keep them out then France and Germany can do better. The real enemy lies within Europe. “If the refugees were open to learning the ways languages and cultures of the EU welcoming savior countries then they would not be invaders” Sounds very American capitalist integrationist. This isn’t about integration or languages. This is about culture, yes, but real culture and old blood that goes back millennia. It seems many people don’t understand this anymore, not viscerally.… Read more »
@One
Just watch and learn.
@Rollo
I don’t have Twitter, you wanna send this to Roosh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1saDRJ0sgUk
Looks like some of his cult members almost got shot & brass-knuckled (hoodie guy looks pretty serious about shooting them). Much as I don’t like Roosh, these guys seem to have been planning some illegal shit and his followers should probably be careful.
I don’t really know what the Roosh thing was all about, or what was/wasn’t satire, but if this group of men had been Muslim, not only would there have been a gang of other Muslim men with them, they could have done whatever they wanted to whomever was stalking them around, and the cops would have done nothing. Oh well, I guess Tough White Guys can keep fighting/posturing with Tough White Guys, while white women let it play out. It’s not like any guy who is out trying to rough up Roosh or his followers, ISN’T just as likely to… Read more »
“The answer to this is simply a Meta Operation Valkyrie: I reverted to Islam about 20 years ago … If the White men of Europe converted to Islam en masse, they would simply take over all the Institutions, implement soft Sharia (like other moderate Islamic nations have), and get the women and society back under control. I’ve been thinking of this for a while, then Michel Houellebecq basically wrote a novel about it. Just as with Christianity, Whites will basically be “running” Islam, from stations in Europe. There will be no White Knights to save all the secular White Females… Read more »
“The only half decent country is the Sultanate of Oman(note that its not a democracy) and it will go down the drain once the era of current Sultan ends. Another is Abu Dhabi, but its too small, almost a city state.”
To top it all, these countries even exist today is because of West.
Otherwise they would have been gobbled up by neighboring state, the same as what Saddam did to Kuwait.
Its exactly what Sauds are doing to Yemen, notwithstanding their incompetence.
“To top it all, these countries even exist today is because of West. Otherwise they would have been gobbled up by neighboring state, the same as what Saddam did to Kuwait.” All you have to do is look at a map and you should know that Iraq was bound to try to annex Kuwait. Whoever drew the maps mandated that particular war. And mandated that only way Kuwait could continue to exist was by defense from the West. Kuwait is a geographic atrocity to Iraq that only exists as a result of the British needing control of the bay during… Read more »
Heh, wacokid February 7th, 2016 at 10:52 am What’s with the mockery from the He Man H(usband)GTOW club? At least Dutch and the (us) commenters are trying and even if the comments and the advice are fitful at best, Dutch has a chance of realizing advancement on his goal. I hold you in contempt for not being on the same team trying to advance the red-pill/game football. You prefer to play on a different team? Why is that? If you prefer, perhaps, that his team win despite the inept coaching, then how about some positive suggestions or encouragement? The guy’s… Read more »
” . . . how about some positive suggestions or encouragement?”
Have divorce papers already drawn up.
Have a go bag.
Have a safe house.
Have cash stashed away.
Have your assets shielded as well as possible.
Have a frame of mind that will allow you to walk at a moments notice.
Then you will be ready to take the field and play the game to the best of your ability.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
kfg, you are showing your age. Go to any roadhouse on dollar beer night and you can confirm by observation that when it comes to physical altercations men and women fight differently. “Roadhouse”? “Dollar beer night?” Hey, 23 skiddoo, Harold! How about you give me a Field Report from this century that involves a physical altercation, ok? Because there’s been a few social changes in the last 20 years that affect such things. If you are reluctant to listen to cops, then ask a bouncer. But you’ve got to get out of the house to do that. You’ve got your… Read more »
Mr Valizadeh is quite the talk of the back court these days, so it came as no surprise to hear him anathematised as “Professional Woman-hater Roosh V” not once but twice tonight (once as an editorially-chosen headline in summary) on BBC radio. On an alleged sports and news channel, therefore with an imaginary all-bloke audience going on about Leicester City, Bournemouth and what the Arsenal were up to, the rugby postmortems, and of course your very own Superbowl. Much as I distrust almost everything about the guy, I’d never in my sourest moments imagined that he hated women. Quite the… Read more »
Maybe it is just me but Roosh doesn’t seem to be in charge of that presser, letting all of 6 reporters lead him around far too much. It’s not quite at the level of “bad Hamlet”, but it sure wasn’t the he-manly, command-presence event one would expect from a practitioner of Neo Masculinity.
@KFG Good point you make there. As some one else put it on a reddit married red pill post, there is also this about dead bedroom married man game: https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/44djow/response_to_askmrp_17year_oneitis_marriage_you/ The first thing you need to internalize, from this point forward, is I am a married man who is now practicing to be single. As this path continues forward, as you improve, as you become more physically, emotionally, and psychologically attractive, you may find that she likes this improved version of you and wishes to hang around you more often. Or you may find that she is still a sexually-withholding… Read more »
@AR: “Roadhouse”? “Dollar beer night?” Hey, 23 skiddoo, Harold! How about you give me a Field Report from this century . . .” You are showing your parochialism. “Because there’s been a few social changes in the last 20 years . . .” Show me that primal human psychology has changed in the past 20 years. I think you will find that the lizard brain is still lizard and that the monkey brain layered on top of that is still monkey. If it were not so, none of The Rational Male would make any sense. Evolution does not happen in… Read more »
RE: Roosh. I cannot say the hypothesis that several of the laws were in play is proven. I do think he was overtaken by events which does indicate a lack of planning to the end. Yet I don’t know if I’d have thought “this path leads to my mother and father being doxxed.”
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I agree the press conference was a bit loose: the statement might have been tighter and a limit of two questions per journalist along with a prudent use of “no comment.”
That “press conference” was just Roosh sounding like a whiny little kid that didn’t realize there’s gonna be real consequences to playing the role of Bad Guy ™ to get publicity. If I was any of the press in that room, I’d plan to continue exactly the same way with no changes whatsoever. Whether they lied or not is not the issue; they just wanted to know if he would file a lawsuit or give them more material to work with. He started with a press conference, so clearly its the latter. TL;DR: Roosh and the press just started a… Read more »
” . . . just Roosh sounding like a whiny little kid . . .”
He wasn’t exactly Ol’ Blood & Guts, was he? Five minutes was about all I could take before the Nails on a Blackboard Effect got to me.
And I had to take a break to get in the five minutes.
@Dutchman: Don’t take all of this ‘ignore your wife’ advice to literally bro. I always say if she wants to talk let her talk. Just don’t get sucked into her emotional maelstrom. The trick is when her hamster starts going in circles to redirect her to a better place. Don’t be schizophrenic with your withdrawing- you should only be withdrawing your time and attention at this point- NOT your affection and “presence.”
@bluepillprofessor Give me your best “trick” for me to get my wife to read Laura Doyle’s book. This would be added value to my already successful 2/3rds up the learning curve of married man red pill/game. I already know to use Law #4, and Law #13. But I was thinking about bribing her with: If you read the book I’ll install a new wifi garage door opener. I was going to do this anyway. And the money I’ll save by doing the garage door opener myself can also pay for a new wifi furnace thermostat. (Admittedly this is total negotiating… Read more »