The War Brides of Europe

(h/t to greyghost for today’s video)

Comment from Kaminsky on Dalrock’s thread:

What I find with that video of the Danish feminist. If there were such a thing as a Master’s Degree in the manosphere, you could show the candidate that video and have him break down all the elements of the female mind displayed. Point by point;

  • Let’s you and him fight
  • Shit-testing
  • Extraordinary lack of accountability
  • Collectivism to the depths of her soul
  • A form of AF/BB…In that men have to be both ends of behavior to meet females’ changing needs. Meek and placid during the forty years of feminist play-acting fun-time, now all of a sudden a different kind of man is needed.
  • Victim/victim convenient duality. Victorious feminists imposed their will and opened borders, now they’re victims and it’s up to men to clean it all up.
  • Equalist/androgynous when it suits whatever need, strong gender roles when it suits whatever need.

So amazing.

“Intractable solipsism” belongs in that list as well.

I apologize in advance if this post comes off as overly dramatic or kicking a hornets’ nest. It’s not my intent to wax poetic, but it will serve a purpose.

I was asked about my take on the current ‘migrant crisis’ in Europe by several Red Pill friends (both online and in person I should add), and how I thought it played into what I’ve written in the past about the War Brides dynamic. As my readers know I never delve into issues of politics, race or religion on this blog unless those issues are directly related to intersexual social and personal dynamics.

So it was with this in mind that I considered connecting the dots between Hypergamy and the War Brides dynamic and what I believe we’re beginning to see now in Europe. However, before I get too deep I thought I’d pick Ms. Thranholm’s interview apart first.

A Schism in the Feminine Imperative

I’ll agree with Kaminsky on his take for the most part; the degree of default entitlement women feel they have to men’s physical protection is glaringly evident, especially coming from ardent feminists, but the side-glance vitriol for European men wearing skirts in protest to the rash of ‘migrants’ raping/harassing European women only highlights feminist duplicity.

Is this rash as widespread as these women are making it? Hard for me to say, but not a day’s gone by since this migration that several ‘incidents’ of these migrant’s sexual assault (assault that would land the average European male in jail or make an American man a sex offender overnight) has been in my Twitter feed. I’ll leave that interpretation up to my readers, however what’s glaringly evident is the duplicity in the reaction strong independent® feminists are having to these assaults.

In the video Thranholm at last drops the feminist boilerplate and makes the concession all feminists (and Red Pill deniers) are loathe to hear – our society has become feminized. I’ve been making this point since the days of my writing on SoSuave; western society has become founded on a feminine social primacy that prioritizes women’s imperatives (Hypergamy) above all other considerations (lead photo NSFW). The fabric of western society from our religions, to our work cultures, to our personal relations, to our educational institutions, to the foundations of our parenting, have been progressively and systematically feminized over the course of 60+ short years.

To have a woman like Thranholm voice this from a visceral, fear based necessity is an indictment of how unignorable this feminization as become. In a similar fashion to how Open Hypergamy and soon Open Cuckoldry are becoming too socially evident to ignore, so too is the fact that an increasing majority of western(ized) men believe that touchy-feely feminized solutions to conflict are their first best alternative to violent, physical, in-your-face conflict resolution.

“This militant feminism that has been going on for decades, now we see the consequences that many men here are brought up to be like women, and to think like women, and be soft-minded.”

Iben explains in no uncertain terms that a lack of conventional, complementary masculine strength is so lacking in Europe that even feminist women are beginning to feel uneasy in the uncertainty that their safety could be insured by average European men. Underneath all of the posturing of strength, feminism still needs “muscle” for its physical defense. When feminism looks to its loyal White Knights for that muscle it finds them dressed in mini-skirts and high heels.

Without missing a beat, scowling feminist interviewer, Anissa Naouai, presents the complete obliviousness of the gravity of the situation women are facing…

“But that is what Europe is about, that is part of the European qualities that the European Union promotes.

[…] “These refugees are coming to Europe, shouldn’t they adapt to that?”

This is a glaring example of the degree of cognitive dissonance that has been cultivated in our feminine-primary social order. The idea that men who wouldn’t recognize that feminine social primacy exist, much less who would entirely ignore it, is so alien a thought that it never enters Anissa’s mind.

An Appeal to Honor

Iben continues and answers Anissa’s question without really realizing it.

“Now we see that these post modern values are just a construction.”

I thought this was interesting when we consider how long we’ve been told the opposite – that the popular concepts of conventional, evolved gender roles are the social construction. However once these ‘post modern values’ are slammed into the harsh conditions of a reality that diametrically contradicts it, then, then it becomes a question of “where have all the cowboys gone?” Now the truth is revealed that it is in fact this post modern, feminized interpretation of gender that is the social construct – and one with potentially disastrous consequences.

“…and now we see that we don’t have any male that can stand up, that can fight, who can fight back those male aggressions that we are feeling. So the vacuum that feminism has created means that women are the victims of those male aggressions”

And now we come to the standard appeal to the Male Catch 22 I described in The Honor System many years ago:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Perhaps we haven’t reached it quite yet, but we are approaching a social tipping point where the physical necessity of conventional masculinity will outweigh the liability to women in ceding the power that feminine social primacy represents. The need for ‘Man Up’ will outweigh the need for ‘Shut Up‘.

This need for women’s defense predictably gets couched in men’s Burden of Performance, and now that shit’s gotten real we see this dynamic laid bare in women’s shaming of men for not putting themselves bodily between them and an attacker. This is where Iben’s premise, and the sham of the Feminine Imperative’s social engineering, breaks down. And ironically the very idea of a new “male revolution” or supporting conventional masculinity on a social scale is even more appalling to Anissa than the reality of rising potential sexual assaults on women:

“It means that men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture. Because now this post modern project is dead, it doesn’t work…”

Iben goes on for a bit repeating the same men need to take responsibility for defending women trope in various ways and tries to explain to Anissa in as black and white a way that reality necessitates this. However the real disconnect, the most poignant illustration of feminisms denial of reality comes from Anissa after all of this:

“But the mass rapes shouldn’t be happening in the first place.”

“I’m sorry, uh, what?”

“The mass rape, the violence shouldn’t be happening in the first place. These are guests essentially who Europe has welcomed.

[…] should (women) have to protect themselves against mass rape on their streets at home?”

The utter cognitive dissonance of Anissa with her inability to grasp that these male ‘guests’ (who should be beholden to the Male Catch 22 by default) wouldn’t honor the dictates of feminine primacy is staggering. So much so it even fazes Iben for a moment. However, this disconnect is a textbook example of the sociological and psychological schism that is (or will soon) taking place for European women given their present reality.

I’ll stop here because Iben goes on to reiterate most of her points, and gets in another about the need for complementarity in conventional gender roles, but do watch the whole clip. The point I’m making with this is that there is a coming reckoning that a feminine primary society is beginning to face; post modern feminized gender constructs have fundamentally compromised the security of western culture.

Real Solutions

This then begs the question, what comes as a response to this? As I mention, the typical go-to strategy of the Feminine Imperative is to lean on men’s shame for not taking the masculine responsibility for women’s (and children’s) defense. However the same characteristics that make a conventionally masculine man a good defender are also a liability to women’s sphere of control once all her would-be attackers have been subdued. These are the same characteristic that have been ridiculed, marginalized, denigrated and punished by feminine-centric society for going on 7 decades now.

So what’s the proper response here? No doubt there will be the scorched earth factions who’ll quote us the following:

This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll whisper “no.”
– Rorschach, Watchmen 2009

If men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture it needs to come with a reciprocal incentive for men in doing so. Relying on men’s sense of duty to honor only works insofar as women are appreciative and rewarding of it. As it stands now, the average man either blindly believes his honorable action is to be more “soft-minded” in his approach to honor or has absolutely no motivation to risk himself for women who’ve told him they don’t need his “macho bullshit masculinity” for the past 60 years – right up until she’s assaulted or raped in 2016.

For a complementary gender restructuring of society it implies a reciprocal incentive on the part of women; one I don’t see forthcoming even in the desperate tones of Iben and Anissa.

It may be all well and good to let women such as Anissa to burn along with the rest of feminized Europe, however, Iben does make a valid point; if (European) men don’t do something by reassuming conventional masculinity they stand to find themselves in precisely the position I outline in War Brides:

Evolution has largely selected-for human females with a capacity to form psychological schemas that preserve an ego-investment that would otherwise afflict them with debilitating anxiety, guilt, and the stresses that result from being continuously, consciously aware of their own behavioral incongruities. Evolution selects-for solipsistic women who are blissfully unaware of their solipsism.

[…]women’s peripheral environment dictated the need to develop psychological mechanisms to help them survive. It was the women who could make that emotional disconnect when the circumstances necessitated it who survived and lived to breed when their tribe was decimated by a superior force. This is also known as the War Bride dynamic; women develop an empathy with their conquerors by necessity.

Men are the disposable sex, women, the preserved sex. Men would simply die in favor of a superior aggressor, but women would be reserved for breeding. So it served a feminine imperative to evolve an ability to cut former emotional ties more readily (in favor of her new captor) and focus on a more self-important psychology – solipsism.

Now, here is where I’ll step off the diving board and into the theoretical. It’s my purview that a lot of what men would complain are duplicitous acts of indifference towards them are really rooted in this innate feminine solipsism. That’s a bold statement, I realize, but I’d argue that what men take for inconsiderate indifference in a break up or in ruthless shit tests is really a woman tapping into this innate, self-preserving solipsism. Combine hypergamy with the chronically hostile environments of the past and you end up with a modern day feminine solipsism. Add to this an acculturated sense of female entitlement, social conventions that excuse this ‘duplicity’, and a constant misdirection of intent by women themselves, and you come to where we are now. As if that weren’t enough, throw in the element of hypergamy and the countdown in terms of fertility and long term provisioning that a woman must deal with before hitting the imminent Wall, and now you have a fuller picture of the conditions and stresses that necessitate this solipsistic nature.

It seems clear to me that women who align with Anissa’s feminine-primary mindset exhibit exactly this self-preserving solipsism in the subconscious knowledge that the men of their ‘tribe’ have become acculturated into becoming more like women and unable to defend them from a stronger, more conventionally masculine tribe.

Both Iben and Anissa are on either side of this War Brides dynamic, but both also illustrated the other’s solipsistic approach to dealing with it. I don’t claim to have the solution to this circumstance, and perhaps that should be the focus of discussion, but this is exactly the War Brides dynamic I laid out.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Nobody actually CARES about Roosh except us… Feminists… and Canadians… Those adorable Canadians.

For everyone’s sake let’s hope this is the end of Roosh’s public life.

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@Ya Really: ” . . . “this guy makes me uncomfortable”, just like Aurini’s videos.”

My principle issue with Aurini is that he’s such a crappy actor it’s painfully obvious that he’s acting.

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@dragnet The mutual aid societies that Donovan is talking about have historical precedent. According to the anarchist Peter Lambourn Wilson (Hakim Bey) both Russia and China produced sectarian and tong societies respectively. What Donovan is talking about sounds pie-in-the-sky, but I don’t think it is, since people will basically be forced to reinvent the wheel as the dominant system continues to churn out an army of people who increasingly can’t depend on the given system and have no personal stake in its success. The ruling classes in Europe and the United States are now their own in-group. The rest of… Read more »

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Living in his mother’s basement lol amazing. I don’t even know what to say. I feel BAD making jokes…but shit, he WANTED attention and he got it.

On the other hand, it’s not like this should be a surprise to anyone who knows anything about him. He has no well-paying job, in fact no full-time job at all. And he isn’t running any profitable business either. He’s basically a marginal internet celebrity selling his own books online. It’s no wonder he cannot afford to buy or rent a comfy apartment in some “vibrant” city.

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He should do a reality show!

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RooshViral continues to get lots of press But Roosh V is the real thing. He and his followers (who, by the way, have compiled a list on their website of female journalists whose work they find offensive, on which I assume I will soon appear), are not just harmless sad sacks, like the Men’s Rights activists who came to hear Fiamengo speak at U of T. They’re not just lonely and pathetic. These guys are Stone Age and scary. They’re misogynists. So is their fearless leader. And they should all be dealt with as such. So how are Stone Age… Read more »

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I think Roosh’s biggest problem is that he just isn’t charismatic enough to say these things and get away with it and he doesn’t understand that. His vibe is that he’s a creepy autistic weirdo. That wouldn’t be a serious problem if he didn’t have this obvious compulsion to constantly shit all over other men, even those inside the Manosphere. Because that only ensures that he’ll always be left with a small cult without allies. I found this attribute of him off-putting from the moment I’ve found his blog, and I find the same thing irritating about his hangers-on like… Read more »

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So how are Stone Age and scary men dealt with?

You manipulate other Stone Age men into beating and/or killing them. That’s what women are good at.

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“So how are Stone Age and scary men dealt with?”

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I guess if you’re not a hockey fan, you gotta have something to talk about…

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@TR You’re right about clarity of thought, I’m obsessive on that. And as you must have imagined, I disagree with your take that my frame of reference is wrong. But to make this whole exchange productive and on topic (The war brides of Europe), believe me that my example above for liberals and the migrant crisis is 100% the problem. Too many “leaders” can’t swallow the red pill. A good half of the politicians in the EU (maybe less in national governments) don’t even believe that the migrant influx is a problem. Reality will (hopefully) show them the way, and… Read more »

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I kind of feel like Roosh has been playing checkers while everyone else is on to chess and beyond. For a guy who espouses the utility of the 48 laws etc he sure doesn’t seem able to execute tactically on that kind of thinking. Unless he is six steps ahead of me here and I am missing it, getting photographed looking dishevelled and literally living in mom’s basement is a self fulfilling feminist meme and should be the end of any kind of PUA, neo-masculinity career he has been trying to carve out for himself. I mean at this point… Read more »

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@agent p: I understand your point and would only ask: how did the photographer know when to show up?

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” Oh wait, I guess it would have to be Alaska because it’s unlikely Canada would let him stay very long if at all.”

Plenty of old people to talk to up there. lol.

We interrupt this hockey game for an important News Bulletin. Sorry!
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@SJB, Does it matter? I mean in what universe does being a LARPing living your mom’s basement internet warrior do his campaign any favours? Yeah, I get it, you are implying he tipped off the photographer, so your suggesting he self doxxed, set himself up to fulfill every feminist’s meme dream ever? I would ask, what possible strategic benefit could this move EVER offer him if he called it in to the “press”? If he wants press, he knows how to get that without appearing like the text book version of a loser douche nozzle. This is closer to public… Read more »

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Edit, sure it would be funny if three days later he showed us video from his penthouse apartment in Miami that he actually owns outright and he is dripping in poosy in his roof top Jacuzzi. If he also owned his “mom’s house” outright, that would help because he love’s his mom and he lets her keep the upstairs and lets her live there for free. Then that would be a good move, because you know, he was just having them all on with a bit of fun playing to their mean feminist tropes and memes. If he did that,… Read more »

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@agent p: I’m thinking of Law #21 (play the sucker to catch the sucker); #22 (use the surrender tactic); and #37 (create compelling spectacles). However I’ve been known to misread situations. My guessing game is just an idle Friday pastime.

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Look if Roosh does indeed live in a basement and still got as many pulls as he did, then that only shows the veracity of the “game” approaches in his books. I’m not a follower of his ROK site, but I am reading ‘Bang” right now. Good stuff – nothing about rape. Just how to be confident and meet women. I already have a SO, but their take-away value in the book, such as “being the prize” , a good vibe, and push-pull that is applicable to men in Marriage 2.0.

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@Dutchman “lol When I got home I just said “hey” to her and she now she’s playing this game where she has a hurt look on her face but goes about doing normal stuff anyway (like she’s so committed to our family that she’s fighting through it even though it’s killing her inside or some BS) all because I didn’t come in and go “Okay, I’m sooooo sorry I ignored your texts all day and I’m here now and ready to supplicate!” This is a familiar shit test that she does when I try to hold frame for extended periods… Read more »

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he doesn’t live in a basement, it’s a neo-masculinity cave

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“It’s kind of sad and disturbing how we’ve been able to anticipate events that have happened in our culture in the world so I assume that that will continue to happen but you can never predict the future and how distressful it might be, so as much as I think we have the ability to capture that, I hope that we don’t, but that would be naïve,” actor Elliot Alderson (Rami Malek) on the show Mr. Robot. (a show about internet hacking. He is commenting on the show’s narrative).”When something has such a massive effect on our culture, you can’t… Read more »

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Roosh got death threats. Media: ‘PUA loser lives in mom’s basement’ Ann Coulter gets death threats (theoretical). Media: ‘Screeching racist bitch deserved it.’ Never gonna happen. Women: 1 Men:0 It’s half-time. We are losing. Part of the reason: we are divided and in the process of being conquered. What is our response? We continue NOT to play as a team. Until we blindly back each other’s plays we will continue to lose. Instead, the response is to compete to shit on the guy. No one here seems to get that until we close ranks we are fucked, will continue to… Read more »

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@ Rollo Tomassi

A conversation that Roosh should have had with someone before embarking on this endeavor, and probably didn’t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E

Luke 14:31 also comes to mind.

“Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand?”

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@TR …though I think it’s ignorant to claim race has “nothing” to do with it. South America is still racist, and it’s the same hierarchy as everywhere in the world. And I don’t think anybody taught me to hate anyone. I think it’s genetic. It’s not though. I’m informed from years of dealing technically with people of all races in very complicated engineering topics. My professor in college was a Korean woman. In the lab in college we had a Black girl masters student who once worked for Raytheon, a Chinese girl, and a very large Hispanic dude. My boss’s… Read more »

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The Guardian continues to advance the feminist cause with “Are selfies empowering for women?” article, it starts with

It’s claimed that the average 16-25-year-old woman spends more than five hours a week taking photos of themselves. So does this reinforce the idea that a woman’s value lies in her looks?

I’m not linking to the article as it will turn you into a zombie. As we speak, RooshViral is fleeing DC after the zombies overran it, anybody got a basement for him?

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@Hollen – Exactly, you spit on the values which gave you the very liberty you enjoy, and make a virtue of it, lol. @TR – I’m intolerant or racism, one wonders how fucked in the head you must be to even form such a thought? You see, I think about my amazing, mixed race niece when I hear you. My bros mixed race family by marriage and realize you are simply soft pedaling hateful rhetoric. In a real way you are much worse than say an out and out Aryan Nations type as you cloak your vile ideology in dulcet… Read more »

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Interesting that the pix in the Brit paper were taken as Roosh came to the door to talk to cops that arrived in response to a 911 call. Wonder if this was an attempt at SWATting him?

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Oh god, I just found time to watch the video at the top of this post…lol This video should be required watching for anyone studying the FI. My god, these women are literally like hens clucking louder in the henhouse, convinced they’re making rational arguments in response to the fox attacking them. Both of them absolutely do not grasp the reality of which they speak. But they’re trying, so desperately trying, to speak intelligently on what it takes to protect a society. They have no concept of real masculinity and it’s complement, all they know is they are under attack… Read more »

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@All – Just to reiterate, Roosh’s biggest problem is that he publicly mused and suggested that rape be legalized on private property as a disincentive for women to engage in sexually provocative and risky behavior as an idea worth considering. Why many of you here cannot see how vile this is to any civilized human being reveals something very ugly about you. It’s not hard to grasp. Many PUAs go about their lives unmolested, as do many Red Pillers and MRAs. Sure, the RedFems and SJWs are insane but Roosh crossed a standard that every civil human being should adhere… Read more »

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It’s half-time. We are losing. Part of the reason: we are divided and in the process of being conquered. What is our response? We continue NOT to play as a team. Until we blindly back each other’s plays we will continue to lose.
Instead, the response is to compete to shit on the guy.

Roosh should have thought about that a couple of years ago. He has been shitting on MGTOWs and MRAs many times. He should take it all back and apologize if he wants beta cannon fodder to back him.

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@ Rollo Tomassi The only possibility I can think of is that he is trying to make himself such a martyr and arouse so much resentment against the current Establishment that he becomes a rallying cry for anyone opposed to feminism and is offered help rather than begging for it. Rather than slowly financially dying out as he lives with his parents, he’s going supernova to make it seem like things have fallen apart due to this incredible persecution. He’s already been offered a place to stay in LA as a result. How long before someone offers him a job… Read more »

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“I understand SJF thinking he’s crazy like a fox or he’s using a few laws of power, but has he planned all the way to the end?”

SJB that suggested that.

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@Rollo: I’m also wondering if law 29 is in play.

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You can argue the bell curve on this one all you want, but if people of all races are capable of understanding the same complicated topics and working in this field

Yes, there are people from all races capable of understanding the same complicated topics and working in this field. The bell curve never stated otherwise.

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Roosh is attacking the Left without a well considered philosophy. He is not a principled libertarian or a Constitutional Conservative, nor is he a member of the alt-right which is a pro-white racial nationalist movement. Roosh is a mushy mix of various ideas who hates feminism for reasons of his own. He’s a PUA who got tired of the sexual nihilism inherent in the player lifestyle and is now looking for meaning in his life. He doesn’t realize that we are heading to a Left singularity which will either end up as a full blown leftist tyranny, a fascist reaction,… Read more »

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@hoellenhund2 The bell curve never stated otherwise. I was referring to the typical bell-curve-supported argument. It goes something like this: Controlling for as much as possible, Group A has a median IQ of X Controlling for as much as possible, Group B has a median IQ of X-|Y| …Therefore, Group B clearly has a genetic difference that should be considered when discussing their place in culture. The problem with that argument, is that it presumes that the controlled-for-variables should be controlled. A person who grows up with a father and mother who are subsistence farmers in the middle of Africa… Read more »

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@ 10×10

“He doesn’t realize that we are heading to a Left singularity which will either end up as a full blown leftist tyranny, a fascist reaction, or civilizational collapse.”

Yes. Honestly if things don’t change, I see a Spanish-style civil war on the horizon at some point, and by 2020 there will very likely be an out-and-out “fashist” movement taking center stage in the political arena.

The scariest part of it, is that we might see all three scenarios play out before this is done.

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Idiotic shitheads like you have to account for why black and white working class families, who had high rates of marriage, work, civic engagement, and relatively much lower criminality with all the “needles” headed in the right direction in the first half of the 20th century suddenly go into a reverse trend beginning in the ’60s? If it’s about race, why did the white working class fall apart in exactly the same way? Murray didn’t argue that it’s falling apart “in exactly the same way”. He was discussing the future possibility of a white underclass in 1993, when that reverse… Read more »

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Scribblerg, this may not be the best time and place for you to post fantasies about murdering people.

Just saying.

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Rollo I agree with Agent P, I fail to see how serving himself and all his ‘followers’ up on a platter in so grand a fashion turns out to be a win for him or them Haven’t read ROK much due to the whole “neo-masculinity” artifice that I find phony and frankly another version of TradCon “manUP” bellowing. So I don’t know all the logistics of how the meetups were set up. But one thought occurs to me: perhaps Roosh and his associates were attempting to recreate the Toronto fracas on a much larger scale in order to bait the… Read more »

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One other possibility is that Roosh sues for libel and collects damages for some of the statements made in these stories. Roosh already explained in his BBC interview that his “pro-rape on private property” story was satire, so they can’t say they didn’t know before they published their stories. My knowledge of foreign countries’ libel laws is admittedly limited. But that theory also wouldn’t hold up because it would assume he knew they would go this extreme in the coverage. @Anonymous Reader “Right now it appears to me that Roosh and those associated with him neglected to read Sun Tzu,… Read more »

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A person who grows up with a father and mother who are subsistence farmers in the middle of Africa is probably never going to manufacture his own spaceship and colonize mars with his wife, unlike Elon Musk who is actually trying to do that. You specifically brought up engineering as an example, where IQ differences do matter more than in culture. Having said that, nobody argued that Africans or Hispanics cannot become engineers. Different cultures, different bodies of experience == different potentials. So if the cultural signal is a stronger signal by far, then arguing that racial genetic differences make… Read more »

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@TR it’s a fact that genetic diversity is an advantage. Comments like yours and others here about killin kebabs and whotnot detract from the essence of red pill thinking, because they are racist and miss the point. That they aren’t challenged more makes me think a far number of folks here harbor the same misguided prejudice and that’s a shame. I see a lot of useful commentary here though, which is why I’ll continue reading, props to those that actually think through they’re shit before hitting that post comment button. Find you a hb10 of any color and propagate (or… Read more »

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Re: Roosh and meet ups. He was absolutely trolling for a very public shit show. Here in Toronto his meet up point was a statue at Queen’s Park, the grounds of the provincial legislature. The specific point is in the middle of a big open space in front of the legislature. It has been the site of many civil disobedience actions and all manner of SJW dust ups. Late in the day it is literally in the shadow of the University of Toronto. It is exactly 700 meters from where big red had her fire alarm pulling demonstration outside of… Read more »

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@hoellenhund2 You specifically brought up engineering as an example, where IQ differences do matter more than in culture. Having said that, nobody argued that Africans or Hispanics cannot become engineers. I used an example where people from similar cultures, but different races, end up with similar professions. Is this not a great example of the fact that culture matters more than genetic differences and IQ bell curves? If it’s not a great example, please explain why. Also, what difference other than IQ would matter to enabling one person vs the other to accept a particular culture as their own? The… Read more »

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The parent’s basement thing does seem almost too “good” to be true…

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Oh I forgot some more context to the Toronto scene currently. The Jian Ghomeshi sexual assault trial started at the beginning of this week. He was a nationally known radio host who was extremely popular country wide, he was a darling of the SJW set all things hip and cool. A number of women came forward making allegations of non-consensual rough sex with him. They however all came forward though the provocation of a left leaning newspaper who dug up a bunch of shit and cobbled together their stories. There was much pearl clutching when the story broke. This week… Read more »

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@TR: On dem Race mixin bastards out there….

Two words: “Hybrid Vigor”

Trump 2016: The Rape-fugees will be going home.

Look at that diversity in a single post (pats self on back).

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@agent p This week however Jian’s defence lawyer is skewering the women on the stand for the hamstering and their totally faulty memories. I won’t say it was a UVA but it’s been a week of a whole lot of stuff not adding up. Those stories are running right alongside Roosh’s mug on the front page of the same paper that “broke” the story, The Toronto Star. can you explain how the media can use the term Rusty Trombone, but not explain what that is? As to hamsters, here we go: DeCoutere has testified that the 48-year-old CBC Radio host… Read more »

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@Dutchman: “She texted me on the way and asked if I really thought it was okay that I just made her feel worthless.”

Wait, game works? Really? It works on wives?

Read up on Dalrock’s recent posts on whether you are supposed to “listen” to your wife (meaning listen attentively and do what is correct) or whether you are supposed to LISTEN to your wife (meaning OBEY). Women start out demanding the first, then switch to the second meaning before you can even understand what they are doing.

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Somebody should write a book on using game on wives.

I would call it:

Saving a low sex marriage: A man’s guide to Dread, Seduction and the long game.

https://bluepillprofessor.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/hello-world/

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@Bluepillprofessor

Thanks for posting that link for Dutchman. I was just going to do that and you beat me to it. That looks like some good stuff.

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Wife just texted me saying I should do something (don’t want to reveal any details) that I’ve been wanting to do that she was dead set against. First time I’ve heard from her today lol.

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“Wait, game works? Really? It works on wives?

Read up on Dalrock’s recent posts on whether you are supposed to “listen” to your wife (meaning listen attentively and do what is correct) or whether you are supposed to LISTEN to your wife (meaning OBEY). Women start out demanding the first, then switch to the second meaning before you can even understand what they are doing.”

I saw that post, outstanding stuff. I’m checking out your link now.

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@scribblerg …Roosh’s biggest problem is that he publicly mused and suggested that rape be legalized on private property as a disincentive for women to engage in sexually provocative and risky behavior as an idea worth considering. I remember quite vividly Roosh being called out on that article before, and very openly admitting that that article was non-serious satire. What exactly happened to that argument? Was it shouted down? Did he contradict or abandon it? Roosh certainly isn’t the brightest human who ever lived, but I don’t believe he’s dumb enough to seriously believe such a legalization is a good idea.… Read more »

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@ Jeremy Roosh suggested making rape legal on private property the same way Jonathan Swift advocated eating babies. The inability of people to recognize satire is just a sign of the social autism gripping our society. These same people would need a disclaimer at the beginning of Monty Python and the Holy Grail stating it is not meant to be a historically accurate depiction of the time period in case they think knights went around knocking coconut shells together instead of riding horses. There’s a reason comedians won’t perform on colleges campuses anymore. The new generation coming of age can’t… Read more »

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@redlight
cognitive dissonance is set to “maximum” this week in Toronto.

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@Dutchman: “Wife just texted me saying I should do something (don’t want to reveal any details) that I’ve been wanting to do that she was dead set against. First time I’ve heard from her today lol.” Well, I can read that as a victory in that she saw the light on something and is being feminine and agreeing. OR, I could read this as her being the event planner agreeing to let you do something you wanted to do anyhow. You’d know better than me though. If this were me, I’d respond with, “I’m glad you said that, cause actually… Read more »

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Regarding Roosh, I would be VERY surprised if he had a master plan, and this is all part of it. I’ve read the manosphere for a long time and even before Roosh went all crazy, I never really enjoyed his stuff. While some of the articles are good, his posts about big pictures issues ALWAYS seemed off the mark to me, like he flat out wasn’t intelligent enough to analyze the dynamics properly. I just don’t think he’s smart enough to realize what he’s gotten himself into here.

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@ Rollo Tomassi My bad. I was thinking of sarcasm when I wrote satire.

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lol at the fucking high drama.

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I just responded with “yeah.”

her: That’s all you have to say??

me: Are you serious with this shit? We can talk when you can act like an adult

her: I’m serious.. it’s a really big deal for me and i’m surprised you were casual about it

me: I’m busy

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She’s still just going through her rolodex.

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I wonder if he’s actually thinking of himself as a Jesus figure for the manosphere at this point.

That press conference might as well be a group of Sanhedrin in front of a Roman magistrate. It cannot possibly turn out well for him.

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Roosh suggested making rape legal on private property the same way Jonathan Swift advocated eating babies. The inability of people to recognize satire is just a sign of the social autism gripping our society.

Don’t tell Scribblerg that, you’d ruin his day.

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I said satire, not you, and I was wrong. Roosh did not intend humor, so it isn’t satire.

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@Rollo: you predicted it — a victory video (in a sense).

I’m sure it will be recorded; it will be instructive to compare his recording with the media reports: a two variable problem.

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Press conference? Really?

That should go well…

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@Rollo. Translated Roosh text:

“Media, why are you being so mean and cruel to me, Stop walking away from me; let’s just work this out. How about we just get a hotel room and make up.”

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Dutchman: LOL @ her Rolodex…

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@Rollo – “It seems clear to me that women who align with Anissa’s feminine-primary mindset exhibit exactly this self-preserving solipsism in the subconscious knowledge that the men of their ‘tribe’ have become acculturated into becoming more like women and unable to defend them from a stronger, more conventionally masculine tribe. Both Iben and Anissa are on either side of this War Brides dynamic, but both also illustrated the other’s solipsistic approach to dealing with it. I don’t claim to have the solution to this circumstance, and perhaps that should be the focus of discussion, but this is exactly the War… Read more »

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The hostess is too dumb for words; so oblivious and so naïve. The old woman at least has enough sense to know that masculinity is valuable, but only in the context of what’s best for women of course.

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When boys are raised to be like women, they cannot suddenly reconstitute themselves into masculine men. There is no going back. Maybe the governments police and military can mitigate some rapes, etc., but it is too late to prevent the fox from getting into the hen house. The fox was already let in.

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@NBTM The impression I got from Rollo’s writing here is that western men actually should defend these women, but not for free. They shouldn’t do this to “save” their culture, or preserve anything specific. That’s the women’s job. They should be doing this because it’s pragmatic from their own DNA replication standpoint. The best part of that video is right at the beginning, when the anchor just gets done showing the “male reaction” of “wearing skirts in protest” and concludes that video segment with, “..But will it solve the problem…” She’s literally throwing the culturally-acceptable feminized-male reaction to this threat… Read more »

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I never took Roosh’s infamous “rape advocate” article seriously because I actually… you know… read it. It was clearly a thought experiment thinking “What would happen if…?” in an attempt to put some responsibility for women’s safety back on women. That idea is not entirely wrong-headed and indeed is largely absent from the feminist outcry over “rape culture”. That being said Roosh is now playing a dangerous game and playing it poorly; he’s taking all his pages straight from Anita Sarkeesian’s playbook, not realizing it doesn’t work if you’re not one of the currently recognized and accepted victim groups. Currently… Read more »

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In reality, it doesn’t matter one fucking bit what women think about the migrant invasion or anything else for that matter. As long as the ‘men’ of Europe continue behaving like cucks, fags, and trannies they will continue being replaced by more virile men. There is a vacuum in Europe that exists due to a lack of masculinity, and it’s being filled by third world hordes. The women, admittedly or not, crave and desire it. If this is the beginning of the end for Europe and the native men do nothing to stop it, I’d say the deserve whatever the… Read more »

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That being said Roosh is now playing a dangerous game and playing it poorly; he’s taking all his pages straight from Anita Sarkeesian’s playbook, not realizing it doesn’t work if you’re not one of the currently recognized and accepted victim groups.

If that’s the case then he’s not nearly as intelligent, or as red pill, as people have been claiming.

Perhaps he can clear all that up at the press conference. Maybe he should prep for it by viewing as many episodes of The Apprentice as possible?

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Maybe he should prep for it by viewing as many episodes of The Apprentice as possible?

That or he should have a sex change operation. He’ll go from bastardly to “brave” overnight.

All joking aside, he should keep his head down and let the SJWs claim a win. Once their goldfish-like memory of him fades, he’ll be free to go back to living a normal life.

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Dear Roosh,

http://imgur.com/CHmBhqM.gif

Signed,

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@ Divide Line ” The ruling classes in Europe and the United States are now their own in-group. The rest of us are the out-group and we can expect to be treated as such. Even academic feminism – the politics of ruling class women – is beginning to resemble the moral paternalism common to any imperial or colonial system. It’s as if they think they’re civilizing the natives. If capital is truly transnational now, then the whole world can be become one big, miserable, festering colony for them. When the dominant system fails and we can no longer hang on… Read more »

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@Jeremy – “They should be doing this because it’s pragmatic from their own DNA replication standpoint.”

Should they? Could they? Maybe their DNA does not support their replication in the face of such invasion. Perhaps their DNA has been culled by several generations of feminine control. Alphas fuck and Betas buck, but birth control insures mostly beta replication; most fathers are beta providers.

“Nature” ultimately continues to rule regardless of our pontifications and mental & physiological distortions.

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does anyone know what network will air Roosh if any?

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@Dutchman I just responded with “yeah.” her: That’s all you have to say?? me: Are you serious with this shit? We can talk when you can act like an adult her: I’m serious.. it’s a really big deal for me and i’m surprised you were casual about it me: I’m busy How would you grade yourself (A to F) on your shit test response in the two bolded lines? To me this sounds like you were being your old self in an asshole costume. Not as an alpha self-improved man. So she came back in line 4 with another shit… Read more »

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@Blaximus – “What’s even more interesting has been the masses reaction. Nothing.”

Seems unexpected to those of us who look “outside the box” or “connect dots”…. until history reveals that people in mass are not proactive and never take action against oppressors until they are desperate and lead into coalition.

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@ Rollo Tomassi “If a woman had written, verbatim, what Roosh had, the irony wouldn’t have been intentionally missed.” The word “intentionally” really gets at what is so unsettling. It’s not that people didn’t get the point. They all know what he meant, and that’s the rub. They hate him for pointing out what he did. This entire Western media blowup was predicated on them intentionally missing the irony in that article, along with intentionally lying about the purpose of the meetups. Look at how far they took this, and all based on a false premise. With what else could… Read more »

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@Blaximus

What’s even more interesting has been the masses reaction.
Nothing.

That’s not surprising. Why just in this thread we had someone who was convinced that racism is an evolved trait. It never occurred to him that his racism makes him a tool for keeping the masses at each others throats, blind to all the elites are doing.

Tap, Tap, Swipe Left, Tap Tap, Swipe Right…

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@ Jeremy ” That’s not surprising. Why just in this thread we had someone who was convinced that racism is an evolved trait. It never occurred to him that his racism makes him a tool for keeping the masses at each others throats, blind to all the elites are doing.” Agreed. We are being manipulated daily by race, class , religion and the ever present ” social issues “. It’s all emotion based distraction that people take to heart. I truly hoped that after the financial meltdown, there would be an awakening. The nation was literally robbed in a brazen… Read more »

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You gotta leave the couch before you can look behind the curtain.

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@Jeremy

Nonsense! I could check it from the couch if this selfie stick was just… a bit… longer! HHNNNNGH!

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@ Jeremy

” You gotta leave the couch before you can look behind the curtain.”

Lol… this is correct.

*disclaimer* But I did learn about Credit Default Swaps while sitting in my livingroom.

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1) Does he actually have a conference room?
2) DC Is likely much less-active during election cycles where the president is lame-duck.

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@ Rollo,

” So, riddle me this Batman, how does Roosh reserve a conference room at a hotel in DC to hold a “press conference” on 1 day’s notice? ‘

Because Roosh is an international man of mystery.

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