(h/t to greyghost for today’s video)
Comment from Kaminsky on Dalrock’s thread:
What I find with that video of the Danish feminist. If there were such a thing as a Master’s Degree in the manosphere, you could show the candidate that video and have him break down all the elements of the female mind displayed. Point by point;
- Let’s you and him fight
- Extraordinary lack of accountability
- Collectivism to the depths of her soul
- A form of AF/BB…In that men have to be both ends of behavior to meet females’ changing needs. Meek and placid during the forty years of feminist play-acting fun-time, now all of a sudden a different kind of man is needed.
- Victim/victim convenient duality. Victorious feminists imposed their will and opened borders, now they’re victims and it’s up to men to clean it all up.
- Equalist/androgynous when it suits whatever need, strong gender roles when it suits whatever need.
“Intractable solipsism” belongs in that list as well.
I apologize in advance if this post comes off as overly dramatic or kicking a hornets’ nest. It’s not my intent to wax poetic, but it will serve a purpose.
I was asked about my take on the current ‘migrant crisis’ in Europe by several Red Pill friends (both online and in person I should add), and how I thought it played into what I’ve written in the past about the War Brides dynamic. As my readers know I never delve into issues of politics, race or religion on this blog unless those issues are directly related to intersexual social and personal dynamics.
So it was with this in mind that I considered connecting the dots between Hypergamy and the War Brides dynamic and what I believe we’re beginning to see now in Europe. However, before I get too deep I thought I’d pick Ms. Thranholm’s interview apart first.
A Schism in the Feminine Imperative
I’ll agree with Kaminsky on his take for the most part; the degree of default entitlement women feel they have to men’s physical protection is glaringly evident, especially coming from ardent feminists, but the side-glance vitriol for European men wearing skirts in protest to the rash of ‘migrants’ raping/harassing European women only highlights feminist duplicity.
Is this rash as widespread as these women are making it? Hard for me to say, but not a day’s gone by since this migration that several ‘incidents’ of these migrant’s sexual assault (assault that would land the average European male in jail or make an American man a sex offender overnight) has been in my Twitter feed. I’ll leave that interpretation up to my readers, however what’s glaringly evident is the duplicity in the reaction strong independent® feminists are having to these assaults.
In the video Thranholm at last drops the feminist boilerplate and makes the concession all feminists (and Red Pill deniers) are loathe to hear – our society has become feminized. I’ve been making this point since the days of my writing on SoSuave; western society has become founded on a feminine social primacy that prioritizes women’s imperatives (Hypergamy) above all other considerations (lead photo NSFW). The fabric of western society from our religions, to our work cultures, to our personal relations, to our educational institutions, to the foundations of our parenting, have been progressively and systematically feminized over the course of 60+ short years.
To have a woman like Thranholm voice this from a visceral, fear based necessity is an indictment of how unignorable this feminization as become. In a similar fashion to how Open Hypergamy and soon Open Cuckoldry are becoming too socially evident to ignore, so too is the fact that an increasing majority of western(ized) men believe that touchy-feely feminized solutions to conflict are their first best alternative to violent, physical, in-your-face conflict resolution.
“This militant feminism that has been going on for decades, now we see the consequences that many men here are brought up to be like women, and to think like women, and be soft-minded.”
Iben explains in no uncertain terms that a lack of conventional, complementary masculine strength is so lacking in Europe that even feminist women are beginning to feel uneasy in the uncertainty that their safety could be insured by average European men. Underneath all of the posturing of strength, feminism still needs “muscle” for its physical defense. When feminism looks to its loyal White Knights for that muscle it finds them dressed in mini-skirts and high heels.
Without missing a beat, scowling feminist interviewer, Anissa Naouai, presents the complete obliviousness of the gravity of the situation women are facing…
“But that is what Europe is about, that is part of the European qualities that the European Union promotes.
[…] “These refugees are coming to Europe, shouldn’t they adapt to that?”
This is a glaring example of the degree of cognitive dissonance that has been cultivated in our feminine-primary social order. The idea that men who wouldn’t recognize that feminine social primacy exist, much less who would entirely ignore it, is so alien a thought that it never enters Anissa’s mind.
An Appeal to Honor
Iben continues and answers Anissa’s question without really realizing it.
“Now we see that these post modern values are just a construction.”
I thought this was interesting when we consider how long we’ve been told the opposite – that the popular concepts of conventional, evolved gender roles are the social construction. However once these ‘post modern values’ are slammed into the harsh conditions of a reality that diametrically contradicts it, then, then it becomes a question of “where have all the cowboys gone?” Now the truth is revealed that it is in fact this post modern, feminized interpretation of gender that is the social construct – and one with potentially disastrous consequences.
“…and now we see that we don’t have any male that can stand up, that can fight, who can fight back those male aggressions that we are feeling. So the vacuum that feminism has created means that women are the victims of those male aggressions”
And now we come to the standard appeal to the Male Catch 22 I described in The Honor System many years ago:
Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22
One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.
For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.
Perhaps we haven’t reached it quite yet, but we are approaching a social tipping point where the physical necessity of conventional masculinity will outweigh the liability to women in ceding the power that feminine social primacy represents. The need for ‘Man Up’ will outweigh the need for ‘Shut Up‘.
This need for women’s defense predictably gets couched in men’s Burden of Performance, and now that shit’s gotten real we see this dynamic laid bare in women’s shaming of men for not putting themselves bodily between them and an attacker. This is where Iben’s premise, and the sham of the Feminine Imperative’s social engineering, breaks down. And ironically the very idea of a new “male revolution” or supporting conventional masculinity on a social scale is even more appalling to Anissa than the reality of rising potential sexual assaults on women:
“It means that men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture. Because now this post modern project is dead, it doesn’t work…”
Iben goes on for a bit repeating the same men need to take responsibility for defending women trope in various ways and tries to explain to Anissa in as black and white a way that reality necessitates this. However the real disconnect, the most poignant illustration of feminisms denial of reality comes from Anissa after all of this:
“But the mass rapes shouldn’t be happening in the first place.”
“I’m sorry, uh, what?”
“The mass rape, the violence shouldn’t be happening in the first place. These are guests essentially who Europe has welcomed.
[…] should (women) have to protect themselves against mass rape on their streets at home?”
The utter cognitive dissonance of Anissa with her inability to grasp that these male ‘guests’ (who should be beholden to the Male Catch 22 by default) wouldn’t honor the dictates of feminine primacy is staggering. So much so it even fazes Iben for a moment. However, this disconnect is a textbook example of the sociological and psychological schism that is (or will soon) taking place for European women given their present reality.
I’ll stop here because Iben goes on to reiterate most of her points, and gets in another about the need for complementarity in conventional gender roles, but do watch the whole clip. The point I’m making with this is that there is a coming reckoning that a feminine primary society is beginning to face; post modern feminized gender constructs have fundamentally compromised the security of western culture.
This then begs the question, what comes as a response to this? As I mention, the typical go-to strategy of the Feminine Imperative is to lean on men’s shame for not taking the masculine responsibility for women’s (and children’s) defense. However the same characteristics that make a conventionally masculine man a good defender are also a liability to women’s sphere of control once all her would-be attackers have been subdued. These are the same characteristic that have been ridiculed, marginalized, denigrated and punished by feminine-centric society for going on 7 decades now.
So what’s the proper response here? No doubt there will be the scorched earth factions who’ll quote us the following:
This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll whisper “no.”
– Rorschach, Watchmen 2009
If men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture it needs to come with a reciprocal incentive for men in doing so. Relying on men’s sense of duty to honor only works insofar as women are appreciative and rewarding of it. As it stands now, the average man either blindly believes his honorable action is to be more “soft-minded” in his approach to honor or has absolutely no motivation to risk himself for women who’ve told him they don’t need his “macho bullshit masculinity” for the past 60 years – right up until she’s assaulted or raped in 2016.
For a complementary gender restructuring of society it implies a reciprocal incentive on the part of women; one I don’t see forthcoming even in the desperate tones of Iben and Anissa.
It may be all well and good to let women such as Anissa to burn along with the rest of feminized Europe, however, Iben does make a valid point; if (European) men don’t do something by reassuming conventional masculinity they stand to find themselves in precisely the position I outline in War Brides:
Evolution has largely selected-for human females with a capacity to form psychological schemas that preserve an ego-investment that would otherwise afflict them with debilitating anxiety, guilt, and the stresses that result from being continuously, consciously aware of their own behavioral incongruities. Evolution selects-for solipsistic women who are blissfully unaware of their solipsism.
[…]women’s peripheral environment dictated the need to develop psychological mechanisms to help them survive. It was the women who could make that emotional disconnect when the circumstances necessitated it who survived and lived to breed when their tribe was decimated by a superior force. This is also known as the War Bride dynamic; women develop an empathy with their conquerors by necessity.
Men are the disposable sex, women, the preserved sex. Men would simply die in favor of a superior aggressor, but women would be reserved for breeding. So it served a feminine imperative to evolve an ability to cut former emotional ties more readily (in favor of her new captor) and focus on a more self-important psychology – solipsism.
Now, here is where I’ll step off the diving board and into the theoretical. It’s my purview that a lot of what men would complain are duplicitous acts of indifference towards them are really rooted in this innate feminine solipsism. That’s a bold statement, I realize, but I’d argue that what men take for inconsiderate indifference in a break up or in ruthless shit tests is really a woman tapping into this innate, self-preserving solipsism. Combine hypergamy with the chronically hostile environments of the past and you end up with a modern day feminine solipsism. Add to this an acculturated sense of female entitlement, social conventions that excuse this ‘duplicity’, and a constant misdirection of intent by women themselves, and you come to where we are now. As if that weren’t enough, throw in the element of hypergamy and the countdown in terms of fertility and long term provisioning that a woman must deal with before hitting the imminent Wall, and now you have a fuller picture of the conditions and stresses that necessitate this solipsistic nature.
It seems clear to me that women who align with Anissa’s feminine-primary mindset exhibit exactly this self-preserving solipsism in the subconscious knowledge that the men of their ‘tribe’ have become acculturated into becoming more like women and unable to defend them from a stronger, more conventionally masculine tribe.
Both Iben and Anissa are on either side of this War Brides dynamic, but both also illustrated the other’s solipsistic approach to dealing with it. I don’t claim to have the solution to this circumstance, and perhaps that should be the focus of discussion, but this is exactly the War Brides dynamic I laid out.
They want us to man up, huh? Funny. Feminists just got the SecDef to order the integration of women into infantry, armor and field artillery units in the Army and Marines and the talk has already turned to setting acceptable levels of participation – how many women do you need per platoon to end this generation’s long, baseless discrimination against women in close combat? And now the feminists are telling us to man up because the migrant rapists are scary? No, sorry ladies. You just fought your way into the infantry. If you are strong enough to do that, and… Read more »
Modular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment: MOLLE.
@Dorian Thoughtful, well put comment. I have never read either book you mentioned, but I will give them a shot. Have you ever read Race and Culture by Thomas Sowell and Carnage and Culture by Victor Davis Hanson? The first argues for the importance of culture over race using historical examples, while Hanson’s book apparently argues against what Diamond asserts in much of his book, i.e., Western pre-eminence, particularly in warfare, was due to cultural differences in how it was waged and approached, rather than environmental assets or limitations. For example, he asserts that the reason the Spanish were not… Read more »
@Dorian: There is a good documentary called Hjernevask (Brainwash) which has an episode on Race. The most interesting episodes of the documentary for Red Pill purposes are about Gender Equality / Sex but I think all of it is worth watching. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjernevask One of the interviewees in the Race episode advanced the idea is that Ashkenazi jews have on average a little of an higher IQ because they had several generations of selective pressure for higher IQ. As I understand it, they were segregated and with a fair amount of inbreeding in Europe, almost exclusively doing jobs where performance rewards… Read more »
“Hanson, BTW, also has a good book on the lack of assimilation in modern California, called Mexifornia, of which he has had personal experience having lived there most of his life.”
How might his view change if he had lived there for four lives?
There is a certain myopia of the generations. Hence Santayana’s famous quip about history.
” . . . there is a disproportionate amount of world class 100m sprinters from Jamaica.”
And very few Aka basketball players.
props on holding frame…everybody makes mistakes, just shake it off…
got a game plan for you in the last thread, if you want to try it… (page 9!!! holy shit, this place is busy!!!…lol)
peer review on aisle 3…lol…if you have some time…
I don’t think anyone will care much if all the feminists and their whiteknight champions get swallowed up by products of their idiocacy such as waves of unruly immigrants and welfare/warfare totalitarianism. Too bad about Western Culture, but it hasn’t served its own men well for about a century. Shrugs.
@scribberg: Consider how anti-miscegenation memes buttress the overt manifestation of the FI: i.e. a woman’s absolute right to choose regardless of precedents or consequences. Strange, isn’t it, how the two are intertwined in recent history.
@IAS: Well put; Stoicism is the path—work on what you can.
“Too bad about Western Culture, but it hasn’t served its own men well for about a century.”
They told me to cheer up, things could be worse. So I cheered up and, sure enough, things got worse.
@Seraph… Yeah, Diamond is not without controversy either for sure. But at least for me, his theories seem the most logical. “Western pre-eminence, particularly in warfare, was due to cultural differences in how it was waged and approached, rather than environmental assets or limitations.” And I would just push back a bit on this and argue that culture is a byproduct of environment — again over millennia, not in the short term. Harsh environment = harsh culture/Superior environment = superior culture. Ultimately, it all comes down to the classic nature vs. nurture debate I suppose. I believe that nature has… Read more »
round about 4:47ish the cougar states: ” Men need to go back to blah blah blah blah” my oh my, was that a note of fear I heard in the strong independent woman. Men is skirts = mainstream media attention. Men rioting and chasing down gimmegrant rapists = “oh no! The far right are on the rise!!!!”. As far as I’m concerned I have a solemn and sacred duty to defend my homeland. But what Rollo states here is true. Very very true. Pandora is out of her box. Her biology no longer restrains her, It is our duty as… Read more »
http://therationalmale.com/2015/06/09/in-defense-of-evo-psych/ 6) Yes, but…that is only true in the United States. Americans happen to live in a culture with conspicuous gender stereotypes about mate preferences that the rest of the world does not share. If you look at more gender egalitarian cultures, in Scandinavia for instance, sex differences in preferences for status-related attributes “disappear” (as claimed by Marks). Actually, no, they do not. Numerous studies have found sex differences in mate preferences for status-related attributes are prevalent across cultures  . Lippa conducted an internet sampling of 53 nations and Zentner and Mitura conducted an internet sampling across 10 nations… Read more »
“For nursery days are gone, nightmare is
real and there are no good Fairies.
The fox’s teeth are in the bunny
and nothing can remove them, honey.”
“The more ‘egalitarian’ the country ascribes to be, the more pronounced the desire for conventional sex differences.”
i.e., people don’t actually like egalitarianism and push back against it. There is also the issue the desire does not necessarily equate to ability.
There are an awful lot of people living on the Island of Misfit Toys.
I just read the post in the other thread… WOW. I’m going to try the fuck out of that. I’ve always been wayyyyyy too touchy.
Funny thing about the military. When I was a commander, regulation stated that women on their moon where allowed back to cantonment area once each day for a hygienic reasons. I was in a Combat Service Support company, so we had lots of vehicles. It was still a pain in the ass. Also, it was amazing how many women happened to be on their moon every time we had a field training exercise. Of course when they claimed they were on their moon, it was true. If you had suspicion they might be faking it, we were not allowed to… Read more »
In case any of you wanted to feel bad about being a man, that “evil” Superbowl is on Sunday. Besides a few million people, who would want to watch such a barbaric event? I will be watching my “Sex in The City” dvds..lol… Men are women right now, they are “soft minded” and we need them to step up and be men in Europe/USA and everywhere dammit!!…well except if it’s a violent football game enjoyed by the majority of men, played by elite athletes that might suffer injuries called the Super Bowl. The fact this article can be printed in… Read more »
@Ollie – Good response there on the War Brides concept. Nothing like finding yourself kicked to the curb after making huge sacrifices to change your worldview, right? At that point, it’s almost inevitable that a guy will find himself here to find answers to what went wrong. As for the “toxic masculinity” thing, I read Manliness by Harvey C. Mansfield a while back, and the central tenet of his book is the belief that that the feminist view is that masculinity absolutely cannot be trusted to men. Instead, it needs to be co-opted and the social reward of manliness taken… Read more »
I’m not one to jump on a bandwagon of hate just because it’s the latest fad. But I don’t think the issue here is one of race; rather, it is one of ideologies. I see no redeemable qualities in any religion that condones the sort of shit that, for example, comes out of the Muslim world. The problem isn’t with Islamic extremists – these people are simply the ones who follow the letter of the Quran. The problem is the religion itself; it’s a nest of regressive and barbaric ideas that are completely incompatible with Western values. Not too unlike… Read more »
@ SJF “Goes back to my question of if Dragnet owns an unruly, undisciplined pitbull. (Only of man (or woman) of no means would own one. (What with the criminal, legal and financial losses incurred when it tears apart the neighbor child in a fit of intracranial fury that is just “its nature”). Only a man of no means would burn down the current society. And this enforces the ideal that for a man who has swallowed the Red Pill (or reads about Red Pill) to succeed a bottoms up approach is called for. You can literally wait forever for… Read more »
Update from earlier… I’ve been ignoring her texts for most of the day. She called me at lunch to ask me about something mundane and then was like “I really need you to talk to me for like 10 minutes when you have time.”
“I don’t know, I’m super busy.”
She’s fucking relentless with this shit.
@Dutch, Extinction Burst:
Your attention is the reinforcing reward she’s looking to reestablish.
@Dutchman, good work on this, but watch your own internal language:
1. I don’t know, I’m super busy. (or)
2. Can’t. Swamped today.
“I don’t know” = indecision = beta.
“I’m super busy” = stop using the word “super” with ANYTHING. lol. That’s a female word. Plus see how your version uses complete sentences, yet option two is choppy and abrupt and more certain? It conveys the feeling of “Bitch, I’m so busy that I can’t even answer you in complete sentences, damn!”
I’m sure Sentient will have some gold to weight in on with too.
Damn scribbler, I apologize for assuming you were mixed race. You made a mention and your ideology is exactly the same as a person who was so I put 2 and 2 together, and was wrong. You’ve also got a great analysis on why the left is kicking ass, and has been for some time. It’s nothing new to me, but it’s refreshing to know you’re not an idiot, despite your outrageously intolerant tone. Your hatred of racists is baffling though, and while I respect that you understand the alt-right ideology, you still don’t get it. You’ve got to accept… Read more »
For the record: I don’t espouse any sort of liberalism or egalitarianism, I don’t espouse any religion, and have no desire to co-opt the ideals of liberty and freedom. I don’t espouse the tenets of the Enlightenment.
@Blaximus: Exactly brother…
” My stance is that racial hatred is bad, and I also do not tolerate it, but understanding is not. It’s actually the opposite of ignorance.” The problem is in your understanding. It’s not the opposite of ignorance either. I’ve gone round and round for a great part of my life with too many guys that think as you do, while posing to be ” open ” to being corrected or convinced through argument, while fully rejecting everything outside of their own narrative. For instance, you said ” Damn scribbler, I apologize for assuming you were mixed race. You made… Read more »
It turns out RooshV’s plan wasn’t completely stupid. He gets worldwide publicity (google him). It seems men (tribes of them) will meet everywhere. Then he cancels as not safe for men (rape culture not safe for men). He will attract more followers and can sell them RooshV decoder rings so they can read secret messages about secret meetings to discuss secret thoughts. All for a fee of course, to support the cause, which is RooshV.
A ton of my buddies are minorities lol most of them are 2nd gen or whatever it’s called (I don’t even care enough to learn the lingo) where their parents are from elsewhere and they’re born & raised here. They have the same general “good for society” values beliefs etc that we all have (hell if anything a lot of the ones with really strict traditional parents are more Blue Pill than I was and some of them joke with me that they’re whiter than I am) whether some of them have bigger dicks or are better at basketball or… Read more »
On Roosh: I agree that this is a pretty big hit for him…that’s why I think he HAS to have a victory video planned and act like oh all the meetings went off without a hitch cancelling was just a ruse, like he CAN’T have just simply cancelled everything and now he goes back to business as usual because the ENTIRE FOUNDATION of neomasculinity is that we’re the Braveheart manly army who doesn’t back down from anyone no matter what because we’re LARP’ing and don’t understand real world consequences. Like if Roosh DOES basically just fold up and post emo… Read more »
Here are some comments onTRP: 1) the “redpill” thing There’s your answer right there. To put if frankly, he’s poisoned his mind with a philosophy that treats you like an animal to be trained. It warps his sensibilities into thinking any and all sexual activities should be his on demand and makes no apologies for using manipulation and the threat of “somebody else will….” to push you into a position where you acquiesce. It’s referred to as “dread game”. There’s a very good reason advocating or linking to their info is banned in this sub. It’s heinous….no other word for… Read more »
“I really need to talk to you for 10 minutes”
You: is it life threatening?
Her: blah blah blah no.
You: k. Talk later.
@YaReally: my thought on Roosh’s cancelled meetups is that he’s been reading Lind’s 4GW treatises (moral victory) as well as following Adam’s 3D chess posts (negging by not showing).
You’re right Blaximus, I am very race invested and give 0 fucks about it. But you project too much hatred and close-mindedness on my end, I agree on many of the points you’ve made (though I admit I haven’t communicated it very well) and am indeed far more intelligent than you give me credit for. While it’s probably true that no amount of debate will change my mind, I think the root of it is that my beliefs are in my self-interest. I extend that to include my children and the overall well-being of my family, and in my narrow… Read more »
EuropeRome cannot be conquered by some ragtag band of bandits from the SandDunopiabarbarian lands”
@ScribblerG There are Blacks Racists to Whites too, you know? I want to tell them to eat my shit, but I don’t, because I want to be polite. But Now I wont. Thank you for that. But if they’ve “won”, wont being principled get it back for us? I AM doing that too. I’m a work in progress. I don’t want TR to be a racist because I’m racist. My brother in law is Black, and I don’t hate him though he is a Black Supremacist. Though he has friends who think they’re smarter than me because they’re black. I… Read more »
There was a silver lining with all this ROK/neomasculine meetup affair. It showed just how entrenched feminism and white knighting is in the Western world. The FI literally has would-be Red Guards and stormtroopers that will, when prompted by the media, voluntarily and violently prevent Red Pill men from meeting. Even so called “conservatives” started spouting SJW rhetoric in response to the absurd claims of “legal rape meetups.”
@ Rollo Tomassi This is completely unrelated to the OP but I came across this story about how online dating has become a part-time job for people and thought it was worth passing along as a possible Red Pill analysis.
@Yollo ‘Intractable’ Comanche
lol When I got home I just said “hey” to her and she now she’s playing this game where she has a hurt look on her face but goes about doing normal stuff anyway (like she’s so committed to our family that she’s fighting through it even though it’s killing her inside or some BS) all because I didn’t come in and go “Okay, I’m sooooo sorry I ignored your texts all day and I’m here now and ready to supplicate!” This is a familiar shit test that she does when I try to hold frame for extended periods of… Read more »
No, you’ve got it wrong. Cultural balkanization with zero assimilation undermines a united people, race has nothing to do with it. What you’ve been taught to hate is a red herring designed to keep the masses disunited and confused as to what the real sources of their problems are.
Basically, if you’re racist as you are, you’re a tool.
Roosh “canceling” the meet up is part of the schtick. It gives him plausible deniability if (when) some side resorts to violence at one of the 165(?) worldwide meetups. Should that happen, the first thing any MSM interviewer (at the interview he won’t be able to resist meeting) will accuse him of is inciting violence. A public cancellation is worth the SJW humiliation if it gives him an out from being held personally responsible for that violence when the camera does another close-up on him. My guess is that if even half of these meet ups take place after the… Read more »
@ Rollo Tomassi
“But most telling, perhaps, is a Wednesday tweet sent by the prominent manosphere blogger behind “The Rational Male”: “ ‘Tribe’ meetings are more about inciting the protests for Roosh’s notoriety,” he complained, “than any real connections among men.”
@Question, I saw it. That author had to dig pretty deep or already know about me; it was an RT to Dagonet FFS.
@Rollo: I’m sure your prediction on Roosh is the likeliest—you’ve observed him far longer. Yet there might be something new . . . or maybe just an idealize hope on my part. Time will tell.
You’d have to have been there. It was glorious to meager little ol’ me at the time. I’m sure I broke a ton of social rules, but fuck it, I wont have my own home infiltrated by manipulative people, even if my parents beat the shit out of her and manipulated me in order to “keep us safe”.
This discussion concerning race/colour makes no sense to me/many other Europeans. You Americans are all mixed race, different European “White Nations” do not consider themselves to be the same. Plus I would consider many Hispanics, who are descendents of Spanish immigrants white.
Totally agree with the article as always. I’d just like to add it’s interesting to note the feminists’ response to Roosh, with respect to the migrant influx of predominantly young males from real patriarchal societies. Who is likely to be more dangerous?
@Jeremy That’s the most profound reply I’ve seen, I’m going to look into it. Living and traveling around South America, I see your point has a ton of merit, though I think it’s ignorant to claim race has “nothing” to do with it. South America is still racist, and it’s the same hierarchy as everywhere in the world. And I don’t think anybody taught me to hate anyone. I think it’s genetic. I’ve matured and articulated my views now that I’m older, but I’ve held them since I was 13. My 11yr old brother holds the same views I do,… Read more »
Racism isn’t genetic, but protecting the tribe is. Racism gets thrown around as a sort of ill when it’s actually just a charged word that attempts to ascribe certain values to certain people who exhibit certain behavior and to do so without their express consent.
…oh. okay. I see what the problem is here.
Rollo – *sigh* I’m not a fan of Roosh but jeeezus, I hope all of this doesn’t turn bad and splash back on us innocent bystanders in the ( probably ) ensuing manhunt that the media may just execute. Already the choruses of Roosh ” inciting violence ” and the whole rapey thing is slowly whipping the MSM into a quasi frenzy. I hope you’re correct in that people will see ( or see through ) his game and blow him off rather than going on a seek and destroy mission against him. And if he can escape this mess,… Read more »
I’m actually very surprised AVfM hasn’t denounced Roosh publicly yet. I have no doubt Elam will disown him and any association to those “rape enthusiast” factions of TRP by week’s end.
Roosh is gonna make life really hard for Elam/Esmay when their Red Pill movie drops in fall of this year.
@ Rollo Tomassi
I think you’re right about this whole thing. The meet-ups were initially announced Jan. 4. The locations and times were posted Jan. 19. In Internet years, that’s a long time, and I’m sure trolls and anti-RPers go to the site. Why did it suddenly, without any buildup, just explode in the last 48 hours across the Western world and transform from meeting up for drinks to being reported by virtually every media outlet as “legal rape meetups?” It’s one of the most surreal things I’ve ever witnessed in media.
Yollo, yeah, that’s a better way of putting it.
Sort of like positive masculinity vs beat your wife masculinity
Lol @ Charlie. Think it’s true he took it in the ass and got HIV?
@ The Question
You know how these things take off. Remember Ray Rice? The media got hold of the video to what was essentially a non story at that point, and it went nuclear for a solid week. It was everywhere.
That’s why I refer to it as seek and destroy. The media is judge, jury and executioner when they get in a tizzy like that. The onslaught did not cease until Rice was unemployed ( unemployed still ) because every SJW on the planet climbed aboard the assassination train.
I’m hoping that won’t be the case for Roosh.
…. Lol. I can’t believe I’m defending Roosh. Holy shit.
@ Rollo Tomassi
Didn’t take long.
Damn. That list of MSM articles is fierce.
Search for “rapist is beaten by” or something similar on YouTube. Nothing gets more righteous clicks like beating up a perceived rapist.
Once you brand a guy a rapist all bets are off and you can kill the guy on video and every viewer will endorse it and cheer you on.
Roosh knows this.
@Dutchman Props dude, you’re doing good with this even if it feels like two steps forward one step back. Gotta understand that this is your first rodeo ride, so you’re GOING to fuck it up a few times. That’s why ideally a guy has a few LTRs under his belt where he understands the red pill and can make all these mistakes safely without the loom of legal action or losing his kids etc, but you gotta play the cards you’re dealt so fuck it lol “lol When I got home I just said “hey” to her and she now… Read more »
He’s depressed or something. I always thought he was a little ” off ” and I thought a lot of his exploits were dubious at best, but his behavior as of late is truly mentally bizarre.
“Race” is simply another word for “kinship,” denoting a wider relationship than family or perhaps tribe. There is no formal definition of where race begins or ends. Everyone has their own ideas about it, which may shift markedly with context.
If you translate the names that a people call themselves it almost universally comes out as “The People, ” or, less formally, “Us.”
As opposed to “them.”
@Rollo “Roosh “canceling” the meet up is part of the schtick. It gives him plausible deniability if (when) some side resorts to violence at one of the 165(?) worldwide meetups.” Solid read. Get the troops riled up then disavow any responsibility. He knows some meetups will still happen and some mobs will still happen (I’d bet a handful of mobs will still hit the meeting places just incase because for them it’s just a night out drinking so why not keep an eye out for some LARP’ers). “My guess is that if even half of these meet ups take place… Read more »
Did you notice that she never quite says – men need to start protecting women – although that is clearly what she means.
The first time she says:
“men need to start protecting women…and children”.
The second time, she says:
“men need to start protecting people”.
Does the fact that she knows to disguise her demands. suggest that on some level at least, she knows exactly what she is doing, and moreover, that it is unfair?
“men need to start protecting people”.
Women and children are “The People.” Men are “Them.”
I’m still processing the whole ” men wearing skirts ” thing.
Yareally, Ya, I’ve had mostly positive experiences with all sorts of people and don’t hate anyone, it’s a sham that some people seem to assume a stranger hates everyone. The “hate” I hold is just a meta-awareness that I don’t recommend anyone applies to individuals they meet in daily life. I’ve also had many friends and lovers of all backgrounds, I just have my own beliefs on where to best commit my chips. Kudos for keeping an open mind and seeing the positivity in everything. Genes supposedly influence half of who we are and nature v nurture never gets old,… Read more »
Man these guys wanna give you AIDS bruh.
“Man these guys wanna give you AIDS bruh.”
WTF? Yollo. This blog comments section has its decorum.
TR walked, new, into the dinner party where certain of us have a sense of who is sitting at the table. He didn’t.
And he hasn’t qualified himself adequately to the group.
Won’t be the last time someone tries the same.
“I’m still processing the whole ” men wearing skirts ” thing.”
It used to be the sign of a civilized man – only barbarians wore pants.
Thing is, they didn’t wear girly skirts.
“I’m trying to get off this blog but keep getting reeled back in”
I’m not surprised.
You value clarity of thought.
But your eyes hurt because you have the wrong frame of reference.
And your virtue signaling isn’t working here.
“men need to start protecting women…and children”. Strategically Self-infanilising? No. From a gynocentric point of view, it makes perfect sense. Children need to be protected because they are, in effect, women’s property. Their mothers and teachers, almost all of whom are women, have sole authority over them. Fathers and men in general have authority and influence over children only to the extent that women decide to permit. Moreover, the mother gets to decide whether the child is aborted or not. On the other hand, it’s clear that she wishes for something that’s impossible. She fancies a world where a bunch… Read more »
I’m working on my ignore game for such situations. As you can see, I still have work to do.
” Thing is, they didn’t wear girly skirts ”
Call me Conan.
Damn. Anonymous just doxxed Roosh’s parents.
Shit just got real.
… and the reaming begins.
Anonymous is on the wrong side of the fight. Maybe they should’ve just sat this one out. I hope this doxxing thing goes pretty much unnoticed.
SJF Most people who write in the manosphere (especially commenters) don’t qualify themselves anyhow – they write their thoughts and trust in the audience’s offering respect through merit of content. Perhaps some lay reports/video helps too, if that’s their topic. Thing is, on some topics, qualifying yourself to the group is like writing “The RM – Preventative Medicine” and trying to get it approved for publishing before a council of militant Feminists. They will never approve of it, but that doesn’t take away from the fact it’s a great book. It’s more – no matter what evidence/journals/studies you share, they… Read more »
Roosh should …
1) take a quick vacation
2) shut down his sites, including ROK
3) let shit blow over.
American media will go back to the Kardashians soon enough and Superbowl 50 will distract everyone over the weekend…maybe…
@Is This Thing On “A lot of you guys recommend banding together with other like minded men. I’ll let you know if I ever meet another one in real life. Perhaps it’s just where I live, but I have yet to meet a red pill aware man in person.” Same here. A few friends will give a tepid, “Yeah, no kidding,” agreement with a RP principle here or there but I always feel like I’m on thin ice before they go binary on me and start to exchange glances with each other about their buddy (me), the prepper-type, tin foil… Read more »
Wow, I love how they mentioned he lived in his mother’s basement a solid 3 times Lol. Brutal.
@ Rollo and everybody
We basically got the same problems as USA on gender dynamics in Scandinavia.
Open question: What are the main societal changes we should do?
I’ve been following Roosh V adventures a bit also but basically I think carousel riding (sometimes fun thou) is the most idiotic life purpose anyone can make.
Shit’s getting real. Keep yourself out of the crossfire, bro. What a mess.
It’s getting to the point where I’m not sure if this is exceptionally well orchestrated or if it’s snowballed so far away from Roosh that he’s in over his head now.
@Rollo lol holy shit. But he pretty much taunted Anonymous (if you don’t respect Anonymous’ abilities you’re an idiot lol) AND initiated the rule that “doxxing is okay” escalating the fight with doxxing feminists and journalists etc, so if he went into this expecting NOT to end up doxx’ed, that’s pretty naive. Maybe Julien’s “lay low and let it blow over” strategy makes more sense now to the Cernovich types that were going on about “just stand up to them bro, double-down on the offense!!” lol You can’t take the entire world head-on like that. Living in his mother’s basement… Read more »
Re: Roosh article. The article mentions his mother’s house over 5 times. The word basement and mother’s house is uses at least 5 or 6 times. They had to have been staking his house out to get all the pics. Clearly it’s a hatchet job. ‘PUA who advocates rape lives in Mom’s Basement! Loser alert!!!!’ I’m not a fan but I’ve seen this before: Tiger Woods and any male who won’t behave. Je suis Charlie mais je ne suis pas Roosh. IOW, free-speech is sacrosanct but only the kind we like. I wouldn’t put it past Shrillary to put him… Read more »
@ Rollo Tomassi
I see nothing positive about the DM story for Roosh; it was clearly intended to destroy his credibility with his readers/followers. This is the worst possible outcome I could imagine right now for him.
Forget your Jared Diamond! Guns, Germs, and Steel is just-so stories for those who don’t know the difference between being credentialed and being educated. It’s nonsense.
It’s a much better use of your time to read the recommended titles by Thomas Sowell and Victor Davis Hanson.
@The Question @Rollo “I see nothing positive about the DM story for Roosh; it was clearly intended to destroy his credibility with his readers/followers. This is the worst possible outcome I could imagine right now for him.” Right. From a strategic perspective, discrediting him is the best thing that could happen for the MSM and the worst thing for him, that’s why they’re jumping on the mommy basement dweller stuff so hard. Like beating him up or killing him would just make him a martyr, but embarrass him (or allow him to embarrass himself) and his followers or potential followers… Read more »
Always a Gavin fan: http://www.therebel.media/roosh_v_pro_rape_sexist_racist_homophobe_or I think Roosh’s biggest problem is that he just isn’t charismatic enough to say these things and get away with it and he doesn’t understand that. His vibe is that he’s a creepy autistic weirdo. No one looks at Gavin and thinks “that guy is gonna rape someone” when he supports Roosh’s idea, but you watch Roosh’s videos and unless you’re a die-hard follower of theirs, it’s like “this guy makes me uncomfortable”, just like Aurini’s videos. Tyler is a little off here and there but for the most part him and Julien etc are… Read more »
Good points, but keep in mind McInnes got canned from his company for writing an article about trans-gendered people. http://takimag.com/article/how_to_be_fired_gavin_mcinnes
Regardless of how this turns out, it is definitely some sort of major turning point in the manosphere.
omg it’s better than I could have ever hoped for:
There aren’t enough facepalms in the WORLD for this.
Nobody actually CARES about Roosh except us… Feminists… and Canadians… Those adorable Canadians.
For everyone’s sake let’s hope this is the end of Roosh’s public life.
@Ya Really: ” . . . “this guy makes me uncomfortable”, just like Aurini’s videos.”
My principle issue with Aurini is that he’s such a crappy actor it’s painfully obvious that he’s acting.
@dragnet The mutual aid societies that Donovan is talking about have historical precedent. According to the anarchist Peter Lambourn Wilson (Hakim Bey) both Russia and China produced sectarian and tong societies respectively. What Donovan is talking about sounds pie-in-the-sky, but I don’t think it is, since people will basically be forced to reinvent the wheel as the dominant system continues to churn out an army of people who increasingly can’t depend on the given system and have no personal stake in its success. The ruling classes in Europe and the United States are now their own in-group. The rest of… Read more »
Living in his mother’s basement lol amazing. I don’t even know what to say. I feel BAD making jokes…but shit, he WANTED attention and he got it.
On the other hand, it’s not like this should be a surprise to anyone who knows anything about him. He has no well-paying job, in fact no full-time job at all. And he isn’t running any profitable business either. He’s basically a marginal internet celebrity selling his own books online. It’s no wonder he cannot afford to buy or rent a comfy apartment in some “vibrant” city.
He should do a reality show!
RooshViral continues to get lots of press But Roosh V is the real thing. He and his followers (who, by the way, have compiled a list on their website of female journalists whose work they find offensive, on which I assume I will soon appear), are not just harmless sad sacks, like the Men’s Rights activists who came to hear Fiamengo speak at U of T. They’re not just lonely and pathetic. These guys are Stone Age and scary. They’re misogynists. So is their fearless leader. And they should all be dealt with as such. So how are Stone Age… Read more »
I think Roosh’s biggest problem is that he just isn’t charismatic enough to say these things and get away with it and he doesn’t understand that. His vibe is that he’s a creepy autistic weirdo. That wouldn’t be a serious problem if he didn’t have this obvious compulsion to constantly shit all over other men, even those inside the Manosphere. Because that only ensures that he’ll always be left with a small cult without allies. I found this attribute of him off-putting from the moment I’ve found his blog, and I find the same thing irritating about his hangers-on like… Read more »
So how are Stone Age and scary men dealt with?
You manipulate other Stone Age men into beating and/or killing them. That’s what women are good at.
“So how are Stone Age and scary men dealt with?”
I guess if you’re not a hockey fan, you gotta have something to talk about…
@TR You’re right about clarity of thought, I’m obsessive on that. And as you must have imagined, I disagree with your take that my frame of reference is wrong. But to make this whole exchange productive and on topic (The war brides of Europe), believe me that my example above for liberals and the migrant crisis is 100% the problem. Too many “leaders” can’t swallow the red pill. A good half of the politicians in the EU (maybe less in national governments) don’t even believe that the migrant influx is a problem. Reality will (hopefully) show them the way, and… Read more »
I kind of feel like Roosh has been playing checkers while everyone else is on to chess and beyond. For a guy who espouses the utility of the 48 laws etc he sure doesn’t seem able to execute tactically on that kind of thinking. Unless he is six steps ahead of me here and I am missing it, getting photographed looking dishevelled and literally living in mom’s basement is a self fulfilling feminist meme and should be the end of any kind of PUA, neo-masculinity career he has been trying to carve out for himself. I mean at this point… Read more »
@agent p: I understand your point and would only ask: how did the photographer know when to show up?
” Oh wait, I guess it would have to be Alaska because it’s unlikely Canada would let him stay very long if at all.”
Plenty of old people to talk to up there. lol.
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