(h/t to greyghost for today’s video)
Comment from Kaminsky on Dalrock’s thread:
What I find with that video of the Danish feminist. If there were such a thing as a Master’s Degree in the manosphere, you could show the candidate that video and have him break down all the elements of the female mind displayed. Point by point;
- Let’s you and him fight
- Extraordinary lack of accountability
- Collectivism to the depths of her soul
- A form of AF/BB…In that men have to be both ends of behavior to meet females’ changing needs. Meek and placid during the forty years of feminist play-acting fun-time, now all of a sudden a different kind of man is needed.
- Victim/victim convenient duality. Victorious feminists imposed their will and opened borders, now they’re victims and it’s up to men to clean it all up.
- Equalist/androgynous when it suits whatever need, strong gender roles when it suits whatever need.
“Intractable solipsism” belongs in that list as well.
I apologize in advance if this post comes off as overly dramatic or kicking a hornets’ nest. It’s not my intent to wax poetic, but it will serve a purpose.
I was asked about my take on the current ‘migrant crisis’ in Europe by several Red Pill friends (both online and in person I should add), and how I thought it played into what I’ve written in the past about the War Brides dynamic. As my readers know I never delve into issues of politics, race or religion on this blog unless those issues are directly related to intersexual social and personal dynamics.
So it was with this in mind that I considered connecting the dots between Hypergamy and the War Brides dynamic and what I believe we’re beginning to see now in Europe. However, before I get too deep I thought I’d pick Ms. Thranholm’s interview apart first.
A Schism in the Feminine Imperative
I’ll agree with Kaminsky on his take for the most part; the degree of default entitlement women feel they have to men’s physical protection is glaringly evident, especially coming from ardent feminists, but the side-glance vitriol for European men wearing skirts in protest to the rash of ‘migrants’ raping/harassing European women only highlights feminist duplicity.
Is this rash as widespread as these women are making it? Hard for me to say, but not a day’s gone by since this migration that several ‘incidents’ of these migrant’s sexual assault (assault that would land the average European male in jail or make an American man a sex offender overnight) has been in my Twitter feed. I’ll leave that interpretation up to my readers, however what’s glaringly evident is the duplicity in the reaction strong independent® feminists are having to these assaults.
In the video Thranholm at last drops the feminist boilerplate and makes the concession all feminists (and Red Pill deniers) are loathe to hear – our society has become feminized. I’ve been making this point since the days of my writing on SoSuave; western society has become founded on a feminine social primacy that prioritizes women’s imperatives (Hypergamy) above all other considerations (lead photo NSFW). The fabric of western society from our religions, to our work cultures, to our personal relations, to our educational institutions, to the foundations of our parenting, have been progressively and systematically feminized over the course of 60+ short years.
To have a woman like Thranholm voice this from a visceral, fear based necessity is an indictment of how unignorable this feminization as become. In a similar fashion to how Open Hypergamy and soon Open Cuckoldry are becoming too socially evident to ignore, so too is the fact that an increasing majority of western(ized) men believe that touchy-feely feminized solutions to conflict are their first best alternative to violent, physical, in-your-face conflict resolution.
“This militant feminism that has been going on for decades, now we see the consequences that many men here are brought up to be like women, and to think like women, and be soft-minded.”
Iben explains in no uncertain terms that a lack of conventional, complementary masculine strength is so lacking in Europe that even feminist women are beginning to feel uneasy in the uncertainty that their safety could be insured by average European men. Underneath all of the posturing of strength, feminism still needs “muscle” for its physical defense. When feminism looks to its loyal White Knights for that muscle it finds them dressed in mini-skirts and high heels.
Without missing a beat, scowling feminist interviewer, Anissa Naouai, presents the complete obliviousness of the gravity of the situation women are facing…
“But that is what Europe is about, that is part of the European qualities that the European Union promotes.
[…] “These refugees are coming to Europe, shouldn’t they adapt to that?”
This is a glaring example of the degree of cognitive dissonance that has been cultivated in our feminine-primary social order. The idea that men who wouldn’t recognize that feminine social primacy exist, much less who would entirely ignore it, is so alien a thought that it never enters Anissa’s mind.
An Appeal to Honor
Iben continues and answers Anissa’s question without really realizing it.
“Now we see that these post modern values are just a construction.”
I thought this was interesting when we consider how long we’ve been told the opposite – that the popular concepts of conventional, evolved gender roles are the social construction. However once these ‘post modern values’ are slammed into the harsh conditions of a reality that diametrically contradicts it, then, then it becomes a question of “where have all the cowboys gone?” Now the truth is revealed that it is in fact this post modern, feminized interpretation of gender that is the social construct – and one with potentially disastrous consequences.
“…and now we see that we don’t have any male that can stand up, that can fight, who can fight back those male aggressions that we are feeling. So the vacuum that feminism has created means that women are the victims of those male aggressions”
And now we come to the standard appeal to the Male Catch 22 I described in The Honor System many years ago:
Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22
One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.
For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.
Perhaps we haven’t reached it quite yet, but we are approaching a social tipping point where the physical necessity of conventional masculinity will outweigh the liability to women in ceding the power that feminine social primacy represents. The need for ‘Man Up’ will outweigh the need for ‘Shut Up‘.
This need for women’s defense predictably gets couched in men’s Burden of Performance, and now that shit’s gotten real we see this dynamic laid bare in women’s shaming of men for not putting themselves bodily between them and an attacker. This is where Iben’s premise, and the sham of the Feminine Imperative’s social engineering, breaks down. And ironically the very idea of a new “male revolution” or supporting conventional masculinity on a social scale is even more appalling to Anissa than the reality of rising potential sexual assaults on women:
“It means that men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture. Because now this post modern project is dead, it doesn’t work…”
Iben goes on for a bit repeating the same men need to take responsibility for defending women trope in various ways and tries to explain to Anissa in as black and white a way that reality necessitates this. However the real disconnect, the most poignant illustration of feminisms denial of reality comes from Anissa after all of this:
“But the mass rapes shouldn’t be happening in the first place.”
“I’m sorry, uh, what?”
“The mass rape, the violence shouldn’t be happening in the first place. These are guests essentially who Europe has welcomed.
[…] should (women) have to protect themselves against mass rape on their streets at home?”
The utter cognitive dissonance of Anissa with her inability to grasp that these male ‘guests’ (who should be beholden to the Male Catch 22 by default) wouldn’t honor the dictates of feminine primacy is staggering. So much so it even fazes Iben for a moment. However, this disconnect is a textbook example of the sociological and psychological schism that is (or will soon) taking place for European women given their present reality.
I’ll stop here because Iben goes on to reiterate most of her points, and gets in another about the need for complementarity in conventional gender roles, but do watch the whole clip. The point I’m making with this is that there is a coming reckoning that a feminine primary society is beginning to face; post modern feminized gender constructs have fundamentally compromised the security of western culture.
This then begs the question, what comes as a response to this? As I mention, the typical go-to strategy of the Feminine Imperative is to lean on men’s shame for not taking the masculine responsibility for women’s (and children’s) defense. However the same characteristics that make a conventionally masculine man a good defender are also a liability to women’s sphere of control once all her would-be attackers have been subdued. These are the same characteristic that have been ridiculed, marginalized, denigrated and punished by feminine-centric society for going on 7 decades now.
So what’s the proper response here? No doubt there will be the scorched earth factions who’ll quote us the following:
This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll whisper “no.”
– Rorschach, Watchmen 2009
If men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture it needs to come with a reciprocal incentive for men in doing so. Relying on men’s sense of duty to honor only works insofar as women are appreciative and rewarding of it. As it stands now, the average man either blindly believes his honorable action is to be more “soft-minded” in his approach to honor or has absolutely no motivation to risk himself for women who’ve told him they don’t need his “macho bullshit masculinity” for the past 60 years – right up until she’s assaulted or raped in 2016.
For a complementary gender restructuring of society it implies a reciprocal incentive on the part of women; one I don’t see forthcoming even in the desperate tones of Iben and Anissa.
It may be all well and good to let women such as Anissa to burn along with the rest of feminized Europe, however, Iben does make a valid point; if (European) men don’t do something by reassuming conventional masculinity they stand to find themselves in precisely the position I outline in War Brides:
Evolution has largely selected-for human females with a capacity to form psychological schemas that preserve an ego-investment that would otherwise afflict them with debilitating anxiety, guilt, and the stresses that result from being continuously, consciously aware of their own behavioral incongruities. Evolution selects-for solipsistic women who are blissfully unaware of their solipsism.
[…]women’s peripheral environment dictated the need to develop psychological mechanisms to help them survive. It was the women who could make that emotional disconnect when the circumstances necessitated it who survived and lived to breed when their tribe was decimated by a superior force. This is also known as the War Bride dynamic; women develop an empathy with their conquerors by necessity.
Men are the disposable sex, women, the preserved sex. Men would simply die in favor of a superior aggressor, but women would be reserved for breeding. So it served a feminine imperative to evolve an ability to cut former emotional ties more readily (in favor of her new captor) and focus on a more self-important psychology – solipsism.
Now, here is where I’ll step off the diving board and into the theoretical. It’s my purview that a lot of what men would complain are duplicitous acts of indifference towards them are really rooted in this innate feminine solipsism. That’s a bold statement, I realize, but I’d argue that what men take for inconsiderate indifference in a break up or in ruthless shit tests is really a woman tapping into this innate, self-preserving solipsism. Combine hypergamy with the chronically hostile environments of the past and you end up with a modern day feminine solipsism. Add to this an acculturated sense of female entitlement, social conventions that excuse this ‘duplicity’, and a constant misdirection of intent by women themselves, and you come to where we are now. As if that weren’t enough, throw in the element of hypergamy and the countdown in terms of fertility and long term provisioning that a woman must deal with before hitting the imminent Wall, and now you have a fuller picture of the conditions and stresses that necessitate this solipsistic nature.
It seems clear to me that women who align with Anissa’s feminine-primary mindset exhibit exactly this self-preserving solipsism in the subconscious knowledge that the men of their ‘tribe’ have become acculturated into becoming more like women and unable to defend them from a stronger, more conventionally masculine tribe.
Both Iben and Anissa are on either side of this War Brides dynamic, but both also illustrated the other’s solipsistic approach to dealing with it. I don’t claim to have the solution to this circumstance, and perhaps that should be the focus of discussion, but this is exactly the War Brides dynamic I laid out.
Roosh’s ISP has thrown up the anti-DoS wall again. The bees appear to be buzzing.
“Isn’t Roosh Arab?”
On his father’s side Persian, on his mother’s Armenian, but it wouldn’t surprise me if a Turkic War Husband had snuck into the line along the way.
Fuck TR and his statement. Full stop.
I’ve said this before but today I finally wrote a blog post about it. The new year’s attack in Cologne was in reality an attack on European men. The illegals were demonstrating that European men can’t protect their own women. It was very sophisticated and very meta.
Looks like neomasculinity was unable to take on the entire world: http://www.rooshv.com/announcement-the-meetup-on-february-6-is-cancelled RVF is invisible now, probably still there but just hidden unless you’re logged in. Anonymous was looking to hack them and expose all their E-Mail addresses and PMs etc But hey maybe it’s just a troll bluff to throw the hate mobs off. Or maybe there were no meetups planned to begin with and the whole thing was a PR stunt from day one. Either way, they attracted some pretty serious mobs like the Antifa who probably aren’t real deep into “Swiftian satire” lol http://i41.tinypic.com/2qalpuf.jpg I don’t think… Read more »
@ Yollo “Intractable” Comanche He’s Armenian/Iranian, but American born. He wrote a Johnathan Swift-style satire article a while ago about legalizing rape that every autistic SJW takes literally, so they call him a pro-rape advocate or whatever. It just makes you wonder what else the MSM lies about that we aren’t aware of. @ dragnet I like the idea too. Posting the locations, times, and password publicly, like you said, was guaranteed to get the response it did, and I don’t understand how he thought it would turn out differently. With this sort of thing you can’t be ready, fire,… Read more »
Persian? Even better.
“The new year’s attack in Cologne was in reality an attack on European men.”
What if they started WWIII and almost nobody noticed?
Holy ****, I didn’t know “you’re an asshole, go die” was an effective way to challenge somebody’s opinions and win an argument. I thought that crap was only for dictators like Hitler and Stalin.
By the way, I’m not playing favorites for anybody, this “shit I wrote” applies equally for everybody. It’s just an observation on human nature. Nothing is made up, but it’s all bare. Grow a thicker skin – you might be able to understand it – then If you have a problem pick it apart and suggest your own ideas, thanks.
ISIS??? Ha ha he heee…
@The Question “Posting the locations, times, and password publicly, like you said, was guaranteed to get the response it did, and I don’t understand how he thought it would turn out differently. With this sort of thing you can’t be ready, fire, aim.” I come here for Rollo’s take on Roosh’s actions because I don’t know enough about marketing and branding and stuff to really get why he’d do what he’s doing, but at the same time I don’t think Roosh is DUMB and just oblivious like “oh I didn’t expect the MSM to call us rape groups AGAIN, oh… Read more »
I think Anonymous might have actually gotten conscripted by the Fem Imperative….
Hey I know it would blow your cover but would you ever release any “Rational Ale” for your readers?
Your second point is wrong. Your subpoint is not a contradiction to my point, in any case. But the prehistory women did NOT have a say in breeding. And this is the crux of the issue with your first point. It actually doesn’t negatively affect gene reproduction. Look it up if you have to.
See… I can link retarded video examples of non-arguments too.
@ YaReally “I come here for Rollo’s take on Roosh’s actions because I don’t know enough about marketing and branding and stuff to really get why he’d do what he’s doing,” 100 percent agree. My guess is he’s probably corresponded in private with him in the past and knows more of what’s going on. Or he’s been around longer than us and has seen this before. IDK. I’ve been privy to enough backroom conversations to know that what gets out there in public is rarely even half of what is actually happening. All I know is that something is rotten… Read more »
The scary part isn’t how many share an idea but how many share the exact same genes.Minds can be changed but not pure bred stupidity.
@ Yollo “Intractable” Comanche
Rollo has not spoken fondly of beer in the past, so my guess is no.
@Blax “full stop” got it
Stupid can be cured, but the gene that supports it must be bred out or the stupid just comes back. But the stupid gene and the reproduction gene overlap so I’ll take the good with the bad regarding paranoid people.
….Fuck. The Red Pill would probably buy it’s own brand if Youtube is any indicator. That’s all I’m saying.
@ Yollo “Intractable” Comanche
Yeah, I know. I was actually about to go into the micro-brewery business a few years back and was trying to come up with beer names. That’s an awesome one.
Paraphrasing Machiavelli in his Discourses, “When a society becomes so successful that it faces no external threats it becomes “feminized” (exact word he used) and eventually succumbs to an external enemy that was (should be) much weaker or fails internally due to factionalization. (exact word used)”
The original point is that a woman that is raped gets pregnant and develops stockholm syndrome is more likely to go full term and raise a reproductive child than one who remains at odds with with her captors.Thereby over the course of 400milion generations women have a proclivity to these genetics.It would take awhile to look this up so don’t bother.
Roosh is getting raked over the coals on Twitter for canceling the meet ups.
Looks like he bit off more than he was ready to chew. This might really do more damage to him than the publicity would ever benefit him.
Brilliant…best article I’ve read on this so far.
Ever notice how cupid rhymes with stupid?
@Yhufir: “… I can link retarded video examples of non-arguments too.”
There is no tower in Paris.
@ Rollo Tomassi That will definitely be interesting to see. At least the lesson was learned before anyone got hurt or things got uglier. The lesson of course is that this is how entrenched the FI is, how it permeates the entire Western civilization. They do not care about migrants from Third World countries where women have no rights coming in and assaulting women, but they go absolutely ape over the thought of a few Western men meeting up and talking. This is why the Red Pill has to spread individually and from the bottom up. Trying to do something… Read more »
What I never see addressed is how this crisis began and who should take responsibility for it’s creation. Defence & military coteries combined with hegemony of western policy, & geopolitical expediency is what led to this crisis. This constant push to export so called “democracy” draped or festooned with western exceptionalism has led to this “export of feminism/’softness’/FI/fascism” which only serves to create an imbalance between our 2 inexorably complimentary natures, i.e. man-woman. It serves those who control society to keep men soft and malleable by first controlling our women, and then, taking advantage of our idealism. Nature abhors a… Read more »
Roosh is the Father of The Red Pill. IDK why he gets so little disrespect.
He’s just trying to expand the consciousness of all men everywhere. Besides, he’s run out of book subjects and the rent is due.
I liked Roosh at one time, but he’s apparently lost what was left of his mind. Happens sometimes.
@KFG – There hasn’t been a country called Persia in a very long time. Roosh’s father being an Iranian Muslim makes him born a muslim, just as if his mother had been a jew he’d be born a Jew.
Hey you all know Roosh & Rollo are no longer allies, right? I was actually considering attending a local meet-up; would’ve been great to meet some like-minded RP men in my area (norcal). Can’t say I blame Roosh for the cancellation.
Anyways, thanks for finally addressing this issue. I’ve been saying since last summer that this is an assimilation war, these muslims are gonna out-breed us out of our homes & countries. While I’m non-religious, I’ll be god-damned if I’m gonna sit back and watch my country become a muslim shithole. They are not immigrants, they are fucking INVADERS
I guess manospherian myopia is a real thing – ROOSH IS GETTING PILLORIED BECAUSE SUGGESTED THAT MAKING RAPE LEGAL ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE FOR WOMEN TO BE MORE CAREFUL. Not because he’s Red Pill or even a PUA. For fuck’s sake, he’s a scumbag. @TR – Funniest? You preening your ignorant ass around as intelligent, really, it’s just too much. As someone who has biracial parts of my family I can only laugh at “the dangers of mixing the races” – I can see you shaking your jowls and in a white suit and hat, wagging your… Read more »
Kobayashi – In my teens I learned of The Willie Lynch Letter. Since that time it’s authenticity has been called into question, but it makes sense to me because the tactic(s) were so widely practiced as to point to instruction being given. The gist of the letter was to instruct slave holders how to better control their slaves. One of the key instructions was to control the female. If you control the female she will automatically instruct her offspring, and the instruction will become automatic from that point on. In part “.. I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER… Read more »
@Michael, Damn, that was a good post. sums up the situation pretty well, and lol at those bald French whores. **What can we do as redpill aware man to fight back against this tidal wave and end this madness and take back our culture?** I wish I knew Honestly, I think only a military coup will do the trick. The entire system is so rigged against a successful outcome that if you were to explain this to a parliament they would just laugh at you and tell you to get lost. Those people are the problem, and they have to… Read more »
@TR – After your military coup, would you outlaw miscengenation?
@Scribbler: ” . . . just as if his mother had been a jew he’d be born a Jew.”
When the country called Judea fell, the country called Persia still stood.
But if you wanna go to the land of the Aryans and tell a Persian he’s an Arab, be my guest.
Myself, I was born an atheist. What religion does that make me?
@scribblerg Yeah, you’ve got a point. I realize now I came off the wrong way and didn’t expect people to take it like that and am sorry that you and others did. My intention was to speak of it like a farmer speaks about selecting his crops and breeding his animals. There are no emotions involved, just what’s best for the farm and what’s not. Period. But like you say, we are all individuals first and foremost, and good genes are good genes. And you’re right, America is not a single race country, and it never was. I didn’t say… Read more »
Rollo thanks for the post. The War Brides phenomenon has always fascinated me, and I remember posting on here several times about it and asking you to discuss it more. A really amazing psychological adaptation.
@scribb, Didn’t see your last post. No, it’s a good policy, but I don’t think I would do it. If I were to be interested in doing this I’d just want to restore order. I don’t mind cramming 1M Syrian refugees in a cargo ship but I would never want to kill someone, except for maybe Merkel. Treason is the worst crime. Miscegenation sorts itself out in the long run, usually in the form of genocide. Genocide only happens because there’s too much diversity, and allowing miscegenation just accelerates the process. Once a genocide actually happens miscegenation should be banned,… Read more »
“Let’s not forget what the Germans are capable of once you piss them off.”
Once all the Germans, where warlike, and mean,
but that couldn’t happen again.
We taught them a lesson, in 1918,
and they’ve hardly bothered us since then.
I am only a quarter way through the comment section and I just have to comment. While it is true that women don’t accept responsibility. I am also noticing the same thing with men in these comment sections with comments like “I’m not fighting for women any more bla bla” but the fact is whatever power and influence Western women have today is because men gave it to them or let them have it. So, yea while women are exhibiting a lot of this bs we men are equally responsible.
@KFG – Don’t be a dick – atheism isn’t a religion. And it has no inheritance code – but Islam does, it’s passed down by the father. Why does that fact bother you? And didn’t call anyone an Arab, so I have no idea what you are on about. Once again, you are trying way too hard.
@TR – So it will result in genocide because you say so, got it.Shut the fuck up now. You are an absurd human being. The U.S. is a nation where our ethnicity is quite mixed and unified by culture. We can be multi-racial and monocultural.. I know this is a bit too complex for your tiny, feral mind. And oh yeah, stop with the friendly, breezy tone when you are discussing the most hateful shit imaginable, you insufferable cunt.
And no, I’m not tolerant of racists. Not for a second. You are scum, truly.
@Jafyk, I believe the problem is conflating the response of individual men with the response of manhood in general. You are 100% correct that “men” are responsible for giving women the power they have. Unfortunately the plurality of men are blue-pill drones. Who knows how long it has been that way. I hear stories of a past patriarchy, but have never seen it. There are even quotes from the founding fathers of the USA that make me wonder if it ever was that way. In any event, an individual man can certainly disavow responsibility for this mess without absolving all… Read more »
Haven’t read comments yet, so sorry for any non-sequitors. Good breakdown, Rollo. Amazing how threats of violence bring us back down to brass tacks. Re: the solution – there isn’t any good incentive for European men to stand up and fight at this point. Not until they feel the pinch of threat themselves, and are forced to fight for their own survival – cultural if not physical. The way this should work given a less crazy balance between the MI and the FI is that the men would develop a strong sense of possessiveness towards their women. Not in a… Read more »
The influx of males into Europe is mainly a Cuckoo Alpha problem.
Wow glancing back that comment was kinda a preen-fest lol. Don’t mind me my thing is biology.
But maybe mind me a bit I’m told I’m a perceptive man 😉
Scribb “The U.S. is a nation where our ethnicity is quite mixed and unified by culture. We can be multi-racial and monocultural..” Thanks for contributing something. Same is more or less true with Latin America, even though it was forced on them. I just don’t see why a single-race country would want the mixing, it’s not in their interest and is not necessary at all. I’m friendly and breezy with you because contrary to my fucked up beliefs, I’m not an asshole. But whatever man, you believe what you believe not just because it’s the PC narrative but because it… Read more »
@Scribbler: “– atheism isn’t a religion. And it has no inheritance code – but Islam does . . .” I can show you the genes that make me a biped (or to put it another way, not a quadruped), with brown, silver and blonde hair. Show me the genes that make me a Christian and a Jew, then explain why I was born an atheist which has no genetic component despite my genes. Explain why all Christians were once Jews, but now most Christians are not Jews, but some Jews are Christians. And explain to me how there can be… Read more »
“We can be multi-racial and monocultural.”
Tell the French (Louisiana), Spanish (New Mexico) and English (New Hampshire) that they have the same culture.
Women, you’re on your own.
Goodnight & good luck.
@Yollo “Intractable” Comanche February 3rd, 2016 at 3:51 pm In regards to The Way of Men (is the way of the gang), you will not be wasting your time. Whereas The Rational Male blog, through red pill awareness of women’s way via evolutionary psychology (think of how the War Brides dynamic came about–it was evo-psych) and how their hindbrains explain Hypergamy and why Game works, this book explains the complementary way men work. (hows that for a run on sentence?) It is an expose of how and why men need to do the first part of Red Pill (masculine self… Read more »
Upthread I proposed what I called a “Fireteam Militia.” A band of four brothers. I just came across this:
Man, I suck at writing. Just proof-read that and here is a correction:
The punchline is irrelevant to the value that unadulterated masculinity holds for Society. Unadulterated masculinity has intrinsic value to societies and that is why we have the debacle that is the message of the original post by Rollo. (Europeans are good at suppressing their natives masculinity?)
In this case I think the example given might be a bit of a stretch. I get that the wartime brides slept and were knocked up by other guys, but they weren’t being knocked up by the enemy. They were being knocked up by the guys left behind, the George Baileys (heh.) Meanwhile, the guys in the Army were nailing whatever local women they could find, sometimes impregnating them. I get that those guys were being shot at, but it’s a bit of a double standard here I think. Absence is absence. I think in reality women’s reactions have been… Read more »
I’m too old to change, and I enjoy women too much to ever stand by and let some snot-nosed kid abuse one. I’ve killed many rag-heads in the middle-east when they were trying to kill our men. Never knew what hit them as their bowels blew out their back when I reached out and touched them. Always made me smile watching another one sent to meet his maker. Don’t really care anymore if it’s over there – or over here. If they start over here, I’ll bury them without orders and be happy for it. So the “men” over here… Read more »
As Rollo correctly identifies, this is “Let’s you and him fight” on a bigger scale. To pass that classic shit test, you can’t go and fight. Regular men shouldn’t get involved in militia and if they want to protect their family or friends it makes sense to avoid the situation rather than be beaten up by superior numbers that on top of that probably have more real life experience with brawls. I agree with whoever said the situation in Cologne was a massive failure by the police. I think in extreme circumstances if there are riots the government should call… Read more »
“There hasn’t been a country called Persia in a very long time.”
Persia = Iran
My Iranian friends call themselves Persian. It’s the same thing. And they are very different from Arabs.
Roosh probably isn’t a muslim. Though I found it funny that he played the ‘oppressed minority’ card when he was in Canada, claiming that they were racist against him because he was a muslim. Only to turn around a few months later and say how evil how muslims were.
Coward, liar, hypocrite.
The Beta Uprising need not consist of an uprising. All it will require is inaction.
Interesting and very relevant post, Rollo. I think we are seeing much of what is discussed here being played out in real time before as Europe suffers the consequences. First, whoever it was who pointed out that this is Russian TV, and thus certainly has a propagandistic tilt to it, I think you are right. It certainly smacked of that, and I certainly can see how it plays out for Putin for home consumption. “I am strong. I do not allow such things to happen, unlike those weak, feckless fools in the West…” So, point well taken. However, I don’t… Read more »
@Michael, All excellent points, and yes Children of Men is an absolutely brilliant film on so many levels. I think it’s an accurate psychological portrayal of how a society (or a global society in the case of CoM) can descend into collective madness when there is no hope for the future. The brief scene where they are in an old abandoned school and (IIRC), he’s imagining the happy voices and laughter of children from the past is simply gut wrenching. I couldn’t get this movie out of my mind for weeks. With several kids of my own, it was viscerally… Read more »
A couple of weeks ago I was hanging out with a bunch of friends. We were chatting at the table, and the subject of the Cologne rapes was raised. One woman argued that the reason German media was slow to report the incident and German police failed to do its job is because Germany is a patriarchal society where women are treated as less important as men. If the immigrants and nonwhite German citizens raped and assaulted men instead of women in Cologne, it’d be treated as a huge problem and the police would respond immediately with massive force. I’m… Read more »
Tell the French (Louisiana), Spanish (New Mexico) and English (New Hampshire) that they have the same culture.
I’d say they indeed have roughly the same culture until, say, 1960 or 1970.
Persia = Iran
My Iranian friends call themselves Persian. It’s the same thing. And they are very different from Arabs.
Iran was called Persia before 1935. Persians are an Asian people with their own peculiar language who form the ethnic majority in Iran, and they are predominantly Shia.
If men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture it needs to come with a reciprocal incentive for men in doing so. Relying on men’s sense of duty to honor only works insofar as women are appreciative and rewarding of it. I don’t think the average woman, even the average educated woman, realizes that. It just doesn’t occur to her, because she doesn’t think in those terms. When Iben says “men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the… Read more »
“”I don’t think the average woman, even the average educated woman, realizes that.””
Living in Great Britain and watching with horror the huge wave of immigrants that are engulfing Europe, I can only blame the touch feely feminisation of our society which thinks we can and should save everybody. A generation of British young men look girly, wear skinny jeans and have most probably never been involved in a punch up. We are brainwashed by the political system and media to only think one way. Everything else is racist, fascist, homophobic, inappropriate and unacceptable if you say anything to the contrary . The weakness of our politicians like David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn etc… Read more »
@Just Saying, good to see you posting again. Do more FRs, man! They’re always fascinating reading.
That’s nice to be worthy of discussion here. The video almost seems staged to prove the manosphere’s tenets.
One thing I want to say is that in my post I had mis-typed;
I meant to type;
Because it’s something you can see quite often. ‘Victim’ when satisfying, ‘victor’ when satisfying. Duality is a recurring habit for sure.
Can someone just come out with the punchline for “The Way of Men”?
In France the masculine defensive behaviour is even more repressed. There are countless stories like this: an arab or a black enters a house, shop or any other property; the white owner is present, mans up and beats the burglar or threatens him with a gun; police comes and carries away the intruder; police comes back, arrests the owner and charges him while the burglar is usually let go after one day. A non-white owner will not be put through this. So the message sent by the state is crystal clear: white men are not allowed to behave in a… Read more »
I’ve been crushing the wife’s shit tests for the last three days until this morning. I’ve been using tonality and body language that conveys “lazy bedroom behavior” pretty consistently and gotten good results. She’s been more feminine and bubbly and tried to engage me in conversation more. This morning though, I definitely failed one. She started giving me shit about chatting up the kids when they were supposed to be getting ready for the day. The difference between my behavior in the following exchange and the past few days was that I was in my head for this one, and… Read more »
@TR – Your fucked up beliefs are what make you an asshole, your faux civil demeanor is merely a cover for what a vicious cunt you are. Fuck off now, racists get no quarter here from me and a few others. And oh yeah, I’m not mixed race, i have family members who have married another race – again, you just presume so much with your subpar intellect. But tell me, while we’re at it, how have white and Asian (mongoloid) matings worked out? Why is there so little social tension from that intermixing if miscegenation “leads to genocide”? You… Read more »
@Dutchman, have you ever seen a boxing match where one fighter doesn’t get hit once? Does the boxer lower his gloves in frustration when that hit occurs and question whether to continue the fight? Being the oak is great, but I also believe you can be the oak and calmly tell your wife to grow the fuck up. Dutch wife: This is what I mean when I say they don’t have time to be distracted in the morning. We’re already running late. Dutch: I’m not late. I’m gonna bond with my kids. Set your alarm earlier. Seriously, are you apologizing… Read more »
@KFG – In this real, occurring world, a child born to a Muslim man is considered a Muslim. He doesn’t have to “convert” – same as the child of a Jewish mother. Example, Barack Obama is considered a Muslim by many Muslims because his father was a Muslim, even though his father abandoned his faith. I never said it was a genetic trait, it’s just the custom of those religions. You are just making stuff up to defend some bizarre ego investment you have in this topic – you are mentally masturbating for the crowd. Get a grip…
“As Rollo correctly identifies, this is “Let’s you and him fight” on a bigger scale. To pass that classic shit test, you can’t go and fight. Regular men shouldn’t get involved in militia and if they want to protect their family or friends it makes sense to avoid the situation rather than be beaten up by superior numbers that on top of that probably have more real life experience with brawls.”
It’s still pretty amazing to me that women are willing to just burn down their entire civilization out of boredom. WTF lol
Yeah, I’ve told her that in the past. I feel bad doing that in front of the kids. I also fail the fuck out of the shaming shit test that comes afterwards, typically.
Just sent her a text to cut the shit.
@Ergo Slug Interesting you bring up The Walking Dead. If one wants to understand the popularity of the Walking Dead, it really has little to do with zombies. The zombie fad has mostly died down, but WD still runs strong. Why? Because, it is really a post-apocalyptic drama that digs at the subconscious pressure points of fear every human being has regarding the lack of civilization; not a zombie series. Zombie infection is really just the vehicle to explore, as your point out, what happens when that thin veneer is removed. Even the most pie in the sky, unicorn loving,… Read more »
So I’ll assume the punch line is that Jack turns out to be gay. Weird though, I watched a video of him and he is definitely more masculine that the foppish hipsters I see prancing around today. I’m trying to discern at what age the masculine inversion happened. Does anyone have thoughts on that?
I was disappointed to see that Roosh has felt the need to cave-in, and even more disappointed to see that SJW’s appear (a victory dance?) to be stamping with their muddy boots all over the comments section of ROK. How ironic then that the very people who are the open-borders crowd and who have welcomed the immivading rapefugees should seek to ban from entering their countries a man who asks, merely, that women become more careful in their sexual behaviour. That is, I reflect, the intellectual level of our opponents and of their media and government supporters and facilitators. I… Read more »
I think feminism didn’t really free women. It freed men. It showed us the true nature of women, that cold and brutal beast. I don’t know if all men will ever see it, or if they will choose to stay in their blue pill haze. At least now, some of us see it though.
@Dutch, I’ve had these exact exchanges. My wife SIMPLY CANNOT get the kids off on time. They go to a private school and when kids are late, they get infractions that we have to pay fines for. My wife caused 14 infractions last period. I’ve told her to admit that she needs the drama of running late like a drug. It gets her off in some perverse way. I told her to stop yelling at the kids in the morning as this is her fault. I usually leave before anybody gets up, when when I do go in later, I… Read more »
@hoellenhund2: “I’d say they indeed have roughly the same culture until, say, 1960 or 1970.” You have it the wrong way ’round. Cultural convergence didn’t really begin until the 60’s and 70’s. The agent of convergence was shopping malls and McDonald’s, which are now essentially the same world wide. And most of all, television. The standard American persona was invented for television. Louisiana is still unique in the USA by not having English common law as the foundation of its legal system. English was a minority language in Florida until the Miami swamps were drained and air conditioning installed in… Read more »
Reading about these types of ideas on civilization collapse makes me wonder if matriarchy (i.e FI) is a sign of an apex civilization. Men have achieved an ideal state to live in and lessen their burden of performance but in doing so unsatisfied hypergamy is allowed to ruin it.
With nuclear weapons and smart weapons a violent conquest of a 1st world feminized state is highly unlikely, so such an FI state could last forever assuming adequate resources. The Greek economic collapse and the EU immigration pressures will be interesting to see how they are dealt with.
@Scribbler: ” . . . a child born to a Muslim man is considered a Muslim.” Stop conflating what “is considered” with what is an empirical fact. Your assertion that being a Muslim is genetically coded is silly prima facie, but when taken in conjunction with your assertion that there is no such thing as race we truly enter the theatre of the absurd. How did a single man claiming that he had afternoon tea with an angel generate a gene? How did that gene get from that man, an Arab, into a Malay with no Arab in his genetic… Read more »
@Pinelero: ” . . . the EU immigration pressures will be interesting to see how they are dealt with.”
Not with the Germans dropping a nuke on Cologne.
The “get the kids to school” thing is funny. The only times my son has ever been late to school has been when she takes him. She always finds a way that I hindered her getting him there though. The thing is, I don’t think this is a shit test. It’s a subtlety I’ve been working on lately. Some of her unreasonable behavior really is just unreasonable behavior. She has a way of convincing herself of things and then genuinely believing them. When I handle a shit test, the response is different. You can see her actually take comfort in… Read more »
I don’t get why so many of you Red Pill aware guys are so worried with “Western civilization”. I think I still have Oneitis for my wife but at least I don’t have a Oneitis for a civilization or “culture”. Live your lives and be more outcome independent. You can’t do anything, so why are you worrying about it? If you can do something, do it instead of worrying about it. For those of you that already have kids (or plan on having them), it is still not really your problem. Raise them to the best of your abilities. If… Read more »
The movie Seven Samurai has some good examples of war brides. This is shit that men used to just KNOW.
@Hollen – Your description of how that average “non-feminist” woman pitched the Cologne sexual assaults captured so perfectly how little we can do about all this. We are a tiny minority of men, who control no social institutions. We have to remain anonymous out fear for our ability to make a living – and some here believe we are the vanguard of a revolution? Talk about LARPing. @All – Re:SITREP (situation report) on the Western World – The left has won, swept the field, overtaken us and is now simply consolidating its gains after a 100 year, hard fought struggle.… Read more »
@dutchman “Just sent her a text to cut the shit.” this is why you fail.. this is in her frame yet… “Not sure if I should just go radio silence. ” Yes – go radio silent. You are a man with things to do, get about doing them. Force her into your frame by handling shit on your terms. You: [crickets] Her:(on your return home) WTF!!!!!! You never replied!!!! HAMSTERHAMSTERHAMSTER You: Lolz. I’m busy working – at work. what is it? Her:blah blah blah You: You still on that? I’ve moved on. what’s for dinner? Her: blah blah blah…. You:… Read more »
“I don’t get why so many of you Red Pill aware guys are so worried with “Western civilization”. I think I still have Oneitis for my wife but at least I don’t have a Oneitis for a civilization or “culture”. Live your lives and be more outcome independent . You can’t do anything, so why are you worrying about it? If you can do something, do it instead of worrying about it. For those of you that already have kids (or plan on having them), it is still not really your problem. Raise them to the best of your abilities.”… Read more »
@Seraph: I won’t enjoy the decline if it happens, but I can’t do anything about it now, so I avoid worrying about it now. If it happens, I will do the best I can. If it doesn’t happen, I will do the best I can (which includes not worrying about it right now). I don’t even think preparing is going to do a lot of good, as you say if there is an acute disintegration I’m likely to be swallowed up. That is what I mean by being outcome independent. It is not what happens to you (which you can’t… Read more »
@IAS, “Stoicism may not work well for everyone, but it certainly seems to give me more peace of mind. It is a simple concept, but I understand it isn’t easy to achieve that kind of mentality. I don’t master it myself, but I want to.” Look, I hear you, and I truly understand the virtues of that mentality, but with kids in the picture, trust me, it is hard to be Stoic. I don’t give a shit about myself too much anymore, in that I mean I can accept most things for myself, good and bad. Even if I were… Read more »
REGARDING RACE/CULTURE Here’s my take, because this is an issue which will rear it’s head much in the coming years as conflicts arise. I am open to debate, because I prefer that to accepting anything because I WANT to believe it, but I think race and culture are often, and sometimes, deliberately conflated, often with horrible results. The defining issue is CULTURE, not RACE. Much of what is labeled ‘racial’ issues are actually cultural ones, but because race and culture are often aligned due to history and geography, they get treated the same. Do I think race is the real… Read more »
The race discussion is always inherently dangerous, and I respect Rollo for avoiding it. The causes of racial and ethnic strife in the U.S. — even globally — are extraordinarily complex and there are no easy answers. Part of our racial differences are cultural, part are based on genetics, part are based on environment and part are just plain luck. I read two great books, one called “Guns, Germs and Steel” and the other “Africa’ some time back that for me put all of this in a bit more perspective. The gist of Guns, Germs and Steel is that those… Read more »
@SJF “Is Forbidden Planet actually worth watching? Or is just reading the plotline on Wikipedia sufficient to get the idea of modern society is worse off having killed the “id”? I actually had seen a reference to this movie the other day and was wondering if it was worth the time investment to see the drama and the actors.” If you’re a fan of SF, Forbidden Planet is absolutely worth it. Hearkens back to the old ‘pulp’ space opera… good stuff. And, an all-star cast. No doubt you would recognize most, if not all. Actually, the story is about the… Read more »
“Much of what is labeled ‘racial’ issues are actually cultural ones, but because race and culture are often aligned due to history and geography, they get treated the same.”
There ya go.