The War Brides of Europe

(h/t to greyghost for today’s video)

Comment from Kaminsky on Dalrock’s thread:

What I find with that video of the Danish feminist. If there were such a thing as a Master’s Degree in the manosphere, you could show the candidate that video and have him break down all the elements of the female mind displayed. Point by point;

  • Let’s you and him fight
  • Shit-testing
  • Extraordinary lack of accountability
  • Collectivism to the depths of her soul
  • A form of AF/BB…In that men have to be both ends of behavior to meet females’ changing needs. Meek and placid during the forty years of feminist play-acting fun-time, now all of a sudden a different kind of man is needed.
  • Victim/victim convenient duality. Victorious feminists imposed their will and opened borders, now they’re victims and it’s up to men to clean it all up.
  • Equalist/androgynous when it suits whatever need, strong gender roles when it suits whatever need.

So amazing.

“Intractable solipsism” belongs in that list as well.

I apologize in advance if this post comes off as overly dramatic or kicking a hornets’ nest. It’s not my intent to wax poetic, but it will serve a purpose.

I was asked about my take on the current ‘migrant crisis’ in Europe by several Red Pill friends (both online and in person I should add), and how I thought it played into what I’ve written in the past about the War Brides dynamic. As my readers know I never delve into issues of politics, race or religion on this blog unless those issues are directly related to intersexual social and personal dynamics.

So it was with this in mind that I considered connecting the dots between Hypergamy and the War Brides dynamic and what I believe we’re beginning to see now in Europe. However, before I get too deep I thought I’d pick Ms. Thranholm’s interview apart first.

A Schism in the Feminine Imperative

I’ll agree with Kaminsky on his take for the most part; the degree of default entitlement women feel they have to men’s physical protection is glaringly evident, especially coming from ardent feminists, but the side-glance vitriol for European men wearing skirts in protest to the rash of ‘migrants’ raping/harassing European women only highlights feminist duplicity.

Is this rash as widespread as these women are making it? Hard for me to say, but not a day’s gone by since this migration that several ‘incidents’ of these migrant’s sexual assault (assault that would land the average European male in jail or make an American man a sex offender overnight) has been in my Twitter feed. I’ll leave that interpretation up to my readers, however what’s glaringly evident is the duplicity in the reaction strong independent® feminists are having to these assaults.

In the video Thranholm at last drops the feminist boilerplate and makes the concession all feminists (and Red Pill deniers) are loathe to hear – our society has become feminized. I’ve been making this point since the days of my writing on SoSuave; western society has become founded on a feminine social primacy that prioritizes women’s imperatives (Hypergamy) above all other considerations (lead photo NSFW). The fabric of western society from our religions, to our work cultures, to our personal relations, to our educational institutions, to the foundations of our parenting, have been progressively and systematically feminized over the course of 60+ short years.

To have a woman like Thranholm voice this from a visceral, fear based necessity is an indictment of how unignorable this feminization as become. In a similar fashion to how Open Hypergamy and soon Open Cuckoldry are becoming too socially evident to ignore, so too is the fact that an increasing majority of western(ized) men believe that touchy-feely feminized solutions to conflict are their first best alternative to violent, physical, in-your-face conflict resolution.

“This militant feminism that has been going on for decades, now we see the consequences that many men here are brought up to be like women, and to think like women, and be soft-minded.”

Iben explains in no uncertain terms that a lack of conventional, complementary masculine strength is so lacking in Europe that even feminist women are beginning to feel uneasy in the uncertainty that their safety could be insured by average European men. Underneath all of the posturing of strength, feminism still needs “muscle” for its physical defense. When feminism looks to its loyal White Knights for that muscle it finds them dressed in mini-skirts and high heels.

Without missing a beat, scowling feminist interviewer, Anissa Naouai, presents the complete obliviousness of the gravity of the situation women are facing…

“But that is what Europe is about, that is part of the European qualities that the European Union promotes.

[…] “These refugees are coming to Europe, shouldn’t they adapt to that?”

This is a glaring example of the degree of cognitive dissonance that has been cultivated in our feminine-primary social order. The idea that men who wouldn’t recognize that feminine social primacy exist, much less who would entirely ignore it, is so alien a thought that it never enters Anissa’s mind.

An Appeal to Honor

Iben continues and answers Anissa’s question without really realizing it.

“Now we see that these post modern values are just a construction.”

I thought this was interesting when we consider how long we’ve been told the opposite – that the popular concepts of conventional, evolved gender roles are the social construction. However once these ‘post modern values’ are slammed into the harsh conditions of a reality that diametrically contradicts it, then, then it becomes a question of “where have all the cowboys gone?” Now the truth is revealed that it is in fact this post modern, feminized interpretation of gender that is the social construct – and one with potentially disastrous consequences.

“…and now we see that we don’t have any male that can stand up, that can fight, who can fight back those male aggressions that we are feeling. So the vacuum that feminism has created means that women are the victims of those male aggressions”

And now we come to the standard appeal to the Male Catch 22 I described in The Honor System many years ago:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Perhaps we haven’t reached it quite yet, but we are approaching a social tipping point where the physical necessity of conventional masculinity will outweigh the liability to women in ceding the power that feminine social primacy represents. The need for ‘Man Up’ will outweigh the need for ‘Shut Up‘.

This need for women’s defense predictably gets couched in men’s Burden of Performance, and now that shit’s gotten real we see this dynamic laid bare in women’s shaming of men for not putting themselves bodily between them and an attacker. This is where Iben’s premise, and the sham of the Feminine Imperative’s social engineering, breaks down. And ironically the very idea of a new “male revolution” or supporting conventional masculinity on a social scale is even more appalling to Anissa than the reality of rising potential sexual assaults on women:

“It means that men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture. Because now this post modern project is dead, it doesn’t work…”

Iben goes on for a bit repeating the same men need to take responsibility for defending women trope in various ways and tries to explain to Anissa in as black and white a way that reality necessitates this. However the real disconnect, the most poignant illustration of feminisms denial of reality comes from Anissa after all of this:

“But the mass rapes shouldn’t be happening in the first place.”

“I’m sorry, uh, what?”

“The mass rape, the violence shouldn’t be happening in the first place. These are guests essentially who Europe has welcomed.

[…] should (women) have to protect themselves against mass rape on their streets at home?”

The utter cognitive dissonance of Anissa with her inability to grasp that these male ‘guests’ (who should be beholden to the Male Catch 22 by default) wouldn’t honor the dictates of feminine primacy is staggering. So much so it even fazes Iben for a moment. However, this disconnect is a textbook example of the sociological and psychological schism that is (or will soon) taking place for European women given their present reality.

I’ll stop here because Iben goes on to reiterate most of her points, and gets in another about the need for complementarity in conventional gender roles, but do watch the whole clip. The point I’m making with this is that there is a coming reckoning that a feminine primary society is beginning to face; post modern feminized gender constructs have fundamentally compromised the security of western culture.

Real Solutions

This then begs the question, what comes as a response to this? As I mention, the typical go-to strategy of the Feminine Imperative is to lean on men’s shame for not taking the masculine responsibility for women’s (and children’s) defense. However the same characteristics that make a conventionally masculine man a good defender are also a liability to women’s sphere of control once all her would-be attackers have been subdued. These are the same characteristic that have been ridiculed, marginalized, denigrated and punished by feminine-centric society for going on 7 decades now.

So what’s the proper response here? No doubt there will be the scorched earth factions who’ll quote us the following:

This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll whisper “no.”
– Rorschach, Watchmen 2009

If men need to take responsibility to go back to the old male virtues, to defend the women, the children and the culture it needs to come with a reciprocal incentive for men in doing so. Relying on men’s sense of duty to honor only works insofar as women are appreciative and rewarding of it. As it stands now, the average man either blindly believes his honorable action is to be more “soft-minded” in his approach to honor or has absolutely no motivation to risk himself for women who’ve told him they don’t need his “macho bullshit masculinity” for the past 60 years – right up until she’s assaulted or raped in 2016.

For a complementary gender restructuring of society it implies a reciprocal incentive on the part of women; one I don’t see forthcoming even in the desperate tones of Iben and Anissa.

It may be all well and good to let women such as Anissa to burn along with the rest of feminized Europe, however, Iben does make a valid point; if (European) men don’t do something by reassuming conventional masculinity they stand to find themselves in precisely the position I outline in War Brides:

Evolution has largely selected-for human females with a capacity to form psychological schemas that preserve an ego-investment that would otherwise afflict them with debilitating anxiety, guilt, and the stresses that result from being continuously, consciously aware of their own behavioral incongruities. Evolution selects-for solipsistic women who are blissfully unaware of their solipsism.

[…]women’s peripheral environment dictated the need to develop psychological mechanisms to help them survive. It was the women who could make that emotional disconnect when the circumstances necessitated it who survived and lived to breed when their tribe was decimated by a superior force. This is also known as the War Bride dynamic; women develop an empathy with their conquerors by necessity.

Men are the disposable sex, women, the preserved sex. Men would simply die in favor of a superior aggressor, but women would be reserved for breeding. So it served a feminine imperative to evolve an ability to cut former emotional ties more readily (in favor of her new captor) and focus on a more self-important psychology – solipsism.

Now, here is where I’ll step off the diving board and into the theoretical. It’s my purview that a lot of what men would complain are duplicitous acts of indifference towards them are really rooted in this innate feminine solipsism. That’s a bold statement, I realize, but I’d argue that what men take for inconsiderate indifference in a break up or in ruthless shit tests is really a woman tapping into this innate, self-preserving solipsism. Combine hypergamy with the chronically hostile environments of the past and you end up with a modern day feminine solipsism. Add to this an acculturated sense of female entitlement, social conventions that excuse this ‘duplicity’, and a constant misdirection of intent by women themselves, and you come to where we are now. As if that weren’t enough, throw in the element of hypergamy and the countdown in terms of fertility and long term provisioning that a woman must deal with before hitting the imminent Wall, and now you have a fuller picture of the conditions and stresses that necessitate this solipsistic nature.

It seems clear to me that women who align with Anissa’s feminine-primary mindset exhibit exactly this self-preserving solipsism in the subconscious knowledge that the men of their ‘tribe’ have become acculturated into becoming more like women and unable to defend them from a stronger, more conventionally masculine tribe.

Both Iben and Anissa are on either side of this War Brides dynamic, but both also illustrated the other’s solipsistic approach to dealing with it. I don’t claim to have the solution to this circumstance, and perhaps that should be the focus of discussion, but this is exactly the War Brides dynamic I laid out.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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People rent hotel conference rooms for Super Bowl parties? Am I totally ignorant of this trend?

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OT: just saw this:

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/02/04/millennials-dying-hair-gray-as-part-of-new-fashion-trend/21308183/

Looks like pure male make-up to me, attempts to signal mastery and maturity while retaining a youthful body by young millenial men.

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@Rollo: A pre-arranged site? An ally? Fortuna? Don’t know; it is a curious riddle.

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@NBTM
The comedy network…

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Roosh is from a Shia background. Martydom is a strong theme in Shia Twelver culture-Hussain and.the Battle of Karbala, etc. He may not be a genius strategy wise, he may be an opportunist, he may be angry and.misogynistic; he is one of us, however. I could write a.book about what guys like Roosh have gone through growing up in a dominant white culture in the 70’s-80’s in the West. His family hails from an ancient, sophisticated civilization that has contributed much to world culture: Persia. People learn farsi just to read Omar Khayam in its original language. I saw guys… Read more »

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@ Jeremy,

I’ve seen the gray haired thing on girls/women when I go into Manhattan for around a year now, but I’m speechless about the men(?) following suit.

W.T.F.

But hey, maybe this means that there will be more interest from women towards me…that I can’t benefit from at this time.

I got my grays the old fashioned way…

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One thing I haven’t seen mentioned in the comments about Roosh is how he has a political agenda that is moderately thought-out. I do not mean perfect. And the political agenda of Roosh means that if someone in the ruling elite, the people who own the media will ask one of their many high paid consultants: could this be a problem?? The consultant/adviser will say yes and explain why. The media owner will then make it clear his papers are to destroy Roosh by murder through lies when the opportunity arises. Which is exactly what we have seen. Roosh is… Read more »

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@ Rollo

I’m trying to imagine when this is all over if it’s going to be like this:

https://youtu.be/PqGxI7QIYu4?t=5m3s

At this point nothing would surprise me.

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@One

“By contrast, Rollo and others are hanging back and hoping… what? The Collapse? Enough time to pass? Something is magically going to change?”

They got careers outside of the Red Pill and families to take care for.

“Start playing as a team, even rudimentarily. That’s the only way to win.”

Roosh can demonstrate this spirit by unblocking Rollo on his social media, if he hasn’t already – especially after Rollo gave them a heads-up about trouble in San Fransicko for the meetups.

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@One One thing I haven’t seen mentioned in the comments about Roosh is how he has a political agenda that is moderately thought-out. …and evidently involves lies about his contributions to the community he purports to lead, and mischaracterizations of it’s members for his own benefit. The media owner will then make it clear his papers are to destroy Roosh by murder through lies when the opportunity arises. Which is exactly what we have seen. They have noticed the gnat. They have taken action to destroy him. This should tell you that what he is doing matters. Trump is someone… Read more »

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@One

What are you doing personally?

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@DeNihilist: On the article:https://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2016/02/01/do-men-really-prefer-intelligence-to-big-breasts/

Of course we do!!!!

I mean how could we not after we’ve been raised and conditioned all these 3-5 decades to lean in and respect women! Anything to the contrary is patriarchal ego investment clinging onto old discarded evo-psych privilege….right?

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/60316395.jpg

wink

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” . . . attempts to signal mastery and maturity while retaining a youthful body by young millenial men.”

The kids are always turning my personal style into a fashion trend. I hate when that happens.

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This will show you how fast something can go viral A week ago xojane had an article about 8 interesting Instagram accounts, one being a woman wearing 40 jumpsuits at turning 40 HuffingtonPost then did an article/pictures on this woman: Creative director Catherine Gray’s “40years40jumpsuits” Instagram proves that there’s no reason to give into the cultural idea that with age, comes irrelevance. “In my mid- to late 30s,” Gray explained over email, “I hated the idea of turning 40, because of thoughts about the biological clock. That’s obviously a real thing, but I realize, looking back, that it was more… Read more »

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@Rollo: Cargo cultists gonna cult cargo.

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@Rollo So lets not talk solidarity and uniting the tribes under anyone’s flag until we understand the genuineness of their motives. Let’s just not talk about it. Ever. Look, if there’s one thing that happens when you claim “solidarity” within a group centered around a message or idea, it’s that the idea takes a back seat to the politics and jockeying for power within the group. Yes there’s a few guys here that I’d get their back, but for the most of the group they’re my competition. Period. I never want the message and ideas through TRP community to become… Read more »

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@Rollo: I don’t think there is a right side or a wrong side in all this. I do know that the tribes of the Seven Hills managed to build a forum–those ideas and practices hammered out there still are with us today albeit seemingly on the wane. Was there solidarity? Were motives clear? I don’t know a cogent answer to either question.

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Posting this for Rollo in case he finds it useful for a future article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/02/05/an-italian-woman-may-go-to-jail-for-not-doing-enough-housework/

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The attention brought forward with stunts like Roosh’s towards the manosphere have shined a light at all of us. However, that light is coming with prejudice that we, since we are all part of this ‘manosphere’ that the sole speaker of it seems to be Roosh V, we are all portrayed in the same light. While that shouldn’t bother us too much, because we will continue going as pretty much we were going, it puts pressure on public platforms such as: Youtube, WordPress and Facebook to blindly silence anyone that is ‘manosphere’ adjacent. The idiot should be allowed to talk.… Read more »

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I’m making a valiant effort to not be biased in my assessments of Roosh’s predicament. * gritting teeth ala Clint Eastwood * I think that Roosh is not brilliant or all that intelligent ( told him as much..), but he has to understand that The Work is vital, and if he, with that understanding, became selfish and overly self centered, that makes him a traitor. I will regard him as such until facts prove otherwise. I had no clue that he lived in his mom’s basement ( lmfao ), but a real man of intelligence could’ve written openly from that… Read more »

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Roosh may be a double agent signed on under cover w/FICIA in an attempt to discredit or take down the entire manosphere.Just look at the timing of this fiasco 30 days after cologne.Who would be so stupid to set up meetings publicly at this time except a sellout?
Super bowl weekend and hardly any male viewers of the press conference don’t mismisunderstand Roosh or the damage he can cause by accident or otherwise.And now off to think about my next football conspiracy theory.

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@Dutchman:
I just responded with “yeah.”
her: That’s all you have to say??
me: Are you serious with this shit? We can talk when you can act like an adultYeah, I’m at work.
her: I’m serious.. it’s a really big deal for me and i’m surprised you were casual about it.
me: I’m busyAgain, we’ll chat more about after work when I get home.

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A false flag? With how long he’s been running? Against a group that was definitely not on anybody’s radar when he started?

I sorely doubt it. Occam’s Razor and my Magic 8-Ball both say “Very Doubtful”.

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@Seraph

> “ISIS doesn’t actually eat the flesh of their victims (not yet, anyway)”

What do you mean ‘not yet’?!!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23190533

http://www.radixnews.com/2015/03/04/isis-cannibals-feed-mother-her-own-son/

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Between 0:56 to 1:10 I picked up her covert demand of “man up and protect us” just as Rollo pointed out. I experienced a sadistic pleasure seeing this “Strong & Independent” woman crying out for protection in a subdued panic. There’s no better time for her to witness men enjoying their “feminine side” as her dense leg hairs stand from the terror. This time is perfect for: “but….but you’re strong & independent while I’m a mere man child “just being my peaceful self.” There is no better time to taunt her with an endless list of “but you saids” (insert… Read more »

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Considering that you put it to the razor and consulted the 8ball you have spent more time considering the possibility than I have.But Niko is correct on the collateral damage aspect possibility.

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Just think of all the 30yos living in their moms basement who are now suspect.This could help the unemployment ratings more than QE.

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@apostaticus

I experienced a sadistic pleasure seeing this “Strong & Independent” woman crying out for putin in a subdued panic

as noted before, this is a Russian propaganda piece that quite effectively triggers emotional response, such as your sadistic pleasure

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@ Rollo Tomassi Far be it from me to try to predict what the future will hold, but I have a strong gut feeling the manosphere and the Red Pill, if they are going to survive, will need to remain underground so to speak. Trying to bring it into the mainstream will be a disaster. The reason is because being underground is precisely what made it what it was. It was ignored or unknown, and so men were able to debate and discuss ideas that were not allowed on MSM sites. However, I’m comparatively late to the party and so… Read more »

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“I have a strong gut feeling the manosphere and the Red Pill, if they are going to survive, will need to remain underground so to speak” Quoting from r/TheRedPill …we wanted a platform that allowed members to interact on a more casual level and connect in an environment that was more socially driven and less topic driven. We also wanted the ability to connect with individuals instead of the entire community. We have created this platform and we’re excited to unveil it soon. We wanted a way to elevate positive contributions based on merit rather than social standing. Not everybody… Read more »

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Hmm….so what will the new Niko/Rollo Red Pill monthly installment probably feature?

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@ redlight

Whoever wrote that, it was a great post, and I’m very glad to see something like that moving forward.

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more hamster from the Ghomeshi trial, about emails two years after the alleged assault: “If there is an itch you need… um… scratching.” On the witness stand: “Another example of me using sexual innuendo to be funny. It is my particular brand of humour and parlance. I have no interest in scratching anything.” “I’m in town and am gonna call your cellphone and ask you to play with me… in a manner of speaking… so you have fair warning.” On the witness stand: “This is platonic, I guarantee it.” “If I don’t get to hang with you while we are… Read more »

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I also seem to recall Roosh releasing periodic articles on RoK and elsewhere where he would “predict” how much and what kind of mainstream attention the manosphere would get each year… evidence of planning ahead?

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@Dutchman Would you like some analysis of where you *really* fell apart in your interaction from p.2? > “She started giving me shit about chatting up the kids when they were supposed to be getting ready for the day. The difference between my behavior in the following exchange and the past few days was that I was in my head for this one, and my tonality went back to normal/shitty. her: This is what I mean when I say they don’t have time to be distracted in the morning. We’re already running late blah blah me: That’s gay. I’ll talk… Read more »

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I guess Roosh is gonna Roosh. Who knows what his plan is? But he is putting himself right in the middle of the culture war, going collective-style and really isn’t he contradicting ‘neo-masculinity’ in every way? I guess it’s no big deal if he is, because he is in a different, leadership role and he’s going to be doing things differently than the guys he’s trying to reach. So it’s a conundrum of sorts. If he was truly neomasculine then you’d hardly know who he is. Right? Or not necessarily? But what drew me to the manosphere is the exact… Read more »

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@redlight “She now has 484 followers!” And they are all bots… Seriously bots. My 12 YO and a friend were fooling around last month, put up an instagram account. They were taking pictures of the floor. A glass. A duck. and they started getting followers. They were freaking out “Dad we have 126 followers1” Then they just started posting some gifs and clip art… teddy bear, another duck, a turtle. By the end of the day they had over 500 followers for nothing… I bet you could post a “blank” picture, just a black rectangle and you would have a… Read more »

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@Hoellenhund, The whole MGTOW bash-a-thon was so disappointing to me as well. Roosh, Forney, Clarey, maybe Aurini, really went to town on that and it was an all around contradiction of what they’d been espousing. They turned on MGTOW hard and quite senselessly. Maybe Roosh’s rebrand to ‘Neo-Masculinity’ was the (organized) impetus there. Or maybe they found girlfriends and couldn’t resist a bit of status signalling or something. It was a stupid middle finger to their audience. It was also stupid because “MGTOW” is way too diverse an idea to be flipped off like that. The very name implies all-encompassing… Read more »

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” . . . the Red Pill, if they are going to survive, will need to remain underground so to speak”. . .”

You DON’T. TALK. about. fight club.

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Isn’t all of this unite the tribes stuff a bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic? At this point the ship (western civilization) is going down. A few men are unplugging and handling their affairs in one of a handful of ways. What do we have for a list? MGTOW PUA TRP MRM Probably a few more I’m missing. In any event, there aren’t enough of us to patch the hole in the ships superstructure. Arguing about which lifeboat to get in is kind of pointless. Get in one. Make the best of it. The least we can… Read more »

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Thought people might find this interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IURDfBgbMi8#t=126

A MEP from Hungary makes like the kid who wouldn’t shut up and stop saying the Emperor has no clothes.

The elitist Brit shuts her down, as you would expect, but make no mistake: the natives are getting restless.

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You sort of have to take this video with a grain of salt. RT is a Russian government outlet, and Russians like nothing more than to think Western Europeans are pussies who can be ridiculed by real men.

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And no, Roosh isn’t an Arab.

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I don’t mind RT trolling the feminists. Perfectly reasonable questions, it’s just triggering to have to answer them.

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I have my strong opinions on the whole situation in Europe, but I’ll leave them for elsewhere. This is a safe space, right, lol? The proper answer to feminists who demand that you protect them is “of course I’ll call the police if I see you getting assaulted”. Let their FI society handle their FI problems. This will of course be triggering too. I recall another article, possibly at CH, from a year or so ago, where drunken women stumbling around outside ghetto clubs were getting in trouble and were triggered that men nearby weren’t throwing themselves in front of… Read more »

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The “Manosphere” has always been a crab bucket. LOOK LADIES, I’M NOT A LOSER LIKE THESE GUYS RIGHT NEXT TO ME

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I’ve been saying this for years, European women will flock to the men raping them.

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Looks like several others responded appropriately to @TR. there’s still hope lol! I didn’t read all the comments before I responded. @TR, Africa is not a country.. How can you claim not to be an idiot? So.. IMHO @Rollo intent with this video was not to highlight the invading Muslim hordes, y’all got way side tracked on that. It’s about women’s innate solipsism, period. Glad others pointed out that RT is propaganda, not news, much like Faux News (TRs favorite source of information..) @Rollo, you mentioned in other posts about dating a BPD girl early on.. Can you write something… Read more »

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To all who are not tired mentioning that RT should be Russian Propaganda.

So what?

That’s a great antidot.

All the western media ar US- resp. NATO-Propaganda.

Audiatur et altera pars.

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Whew, at least I’m not reading propaganda. (Opens New York Times, turns on MSNBC.)

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I think ppl are over analyzing here. Roosh just got a shit load of media hype for his stuff and most likely more men gonna wake up. Even here in Finland the cops went to streets because of the “tribe meeting”. Which raises me a tinfoil hat question; Are women controlling the police force also? The media is under their control, thats for sure now.

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NB, @Sun – I said what Roosh was doing was “suggesting” – cuz I read the article too. His article was suggestive, not prescriptive. Language matters – his and mine, bunky. And being “suggestive” about such a thing is disgusting. I’m disgusted that men here can’t see this prima facie. Perhaps I misunderstand this community. Sun, go to a woman you work with and “suggest” as a “thought” experiment that she be rapeable on private property. I dare you. Figures you can’t get this as you are still so angry at women. Take a deep look inside at that, for… Read more »

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“Are women controlling the police force also?”

The police are by definition beta white knights.

You can tell how deep a culture is in the FI by how the issue of self defence is handled. The MI assumes that you defend yourself. The FI assumes that you will be “championed.”

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Roosh even got covered in the biggest news paper of Finland. Jesus, I hate globalization xD.

http://nyt.fi/a1454649790691

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@none,

Are you saying Western European men aren’t pussies who can be ridiculed by real men?

Propaganda or not, western men are making it easy for RT.

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The hamster never lies. Check out this vid of Gronkowski giving a Fox sports reporter a lap dance. She’s supposedly being playful when she invites him to do so, but she quickly licks her lips while asking him, she can’t help herself. Hindbrain fully activated. I see these kinds of tells everywhere now, it’s absolutely fucking nuts. Matrix fully revealed. I may live in a society in decline but I’m going to get laid like crazy while it happens…

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqznKoZWyKA&w=560&h=315%5D

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I found Rollo’s blog a few weeks ago, and have been veraciously reading everything I can. The feminization of the west is an interesting topic. I’ve been thinking about the causes, which I think include 1) loss of male authority in families, 2) loss of male role models in families and schools, 3) feminist indoctrination of guilt using false narratives, and 4) beta men attempting to shift competition for women from good genes (alpha traits) to provisions. Rollo’s review of Star Wars got me thinking about how Han Solo / Indiana Jones (essentially same character) changed over time. Through Raiders… Read more »

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The whole MGTOW bash-a-thon was so disappointing to me as well. Roosh, Forney, Clarey, maybe Aurini, really went to town on that and it was an all around contradiction of what they’d been espousing. They turned on MGTOW hard and quite senselessly. What else did you expect them to do? As soon as you start thinking of yourself as a head figure of a new movement that needs beta cannon fodder, you’ll obviously reject anyone who specifically says he won’t become cannon fodder for anything or anyone, and you brand them as traitors. The thing I find somewhat comical about… Read more »

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” . . . the only tools men had to control female nature was provisions and protection.”

This is, itself, an FI approved and promoted point of view.

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Isn’t all of this unite the tribes stuff a bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic? At this point the ship (western civilization) is going down. A few men are unplugging and handling their affairs in one of a handful of ways.

Well…duh.

On a different note, I’ve read Aurini’s LARPing post that YaReally linked to. It’s typical that he speaks about “third-world savages raping our women” without realizing that there are lots of potential future PUAs, MGTOWs, MRAs and even rightists among the hundreds of thousands of migrants arriving to Europe.

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Isn’t this what Plato’s Republic was grappling with when discussing the balancing of military necessity to control resources vs social cohesion within a given group? Basically, “we need soldiers to protect us and secure resources, but we need to make sure they don’t become warlike against US (because we have nurtured in them the warlike necessity for our groups needs).” In this situation you must give the protectors/resource grantors rewards from the group to form loyalty or they will just be individuals using their strength to survive and gain their own resources. We have lost this narrative somewhere… Yes we… Read more »

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@Yollo

The new installment will definitely feature the state of affairs so as far as the Red Pill is concerned with Roosh V, PC, MSM involvement with Red PIll affairs etc.

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Brilliant work Rollo.

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@scribblerg lol Roosh’s piece is blatantly sarcastic/satire. I read it back when he first posted it and thought it was a clever way of pointing out a flaw in the whole “you go grrrl” lack of responsibility/accountability feminism has pushed. It makes it VERY clear that it’s just exposing a flaw in people’s logic and isn’t ACTUALLY a suggestion or push for anything. The reason we aren’t flipping out like chickens with our head cut off about it is because we actually read it and understand that Swift didn’t REALLY want babies to be eaten. Calm your tits dude lol… Read more »

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Also lol at the young dudes dying their hair grey thing. It’s exactly what the poster said, they’re trying to signal that they have maturity, wisdom, oak tree solid internals, etc that us older guys have. It’s hilarious to me because when I was in my 20s I thought I would be fucked when I hit 30 like oh no I’ll be OLD old guys can’t get young hot girls!! Now I’m mid-30s and getting more solid attraction than in my 20s because now I have my subcomms and internals down that were shaky in my 20s and compared to… Read more »

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@hoellenhund2 ” The thing I find somewhat comical about them is that they don’t even bother appealing to the self-interest of their potential recruits. All they can say is that “you betray Western civilization if you go your own way”, “you betray our race if you don’t marry and breed”. It’s the same old shit. ” That is exactly the problem that I have with the so called factions of the manosphere and within MGTOW as well. In order to facilitate the kind of message that portrays you as the savior for those men, then you must push those men… Read more »

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YaReally – thanks dude. I haven’t even read the biggest part of that post – will sit down and go through carefully after I watch the video tomorrow.

Incidentally, a quick glance of that clip suggests it’s from the new Hot Seat – the thing that I’ve signed up for to do in a few months..should be fun to see those interactions broken down and explained….

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@Culum Had to share it, this shit is gold. I don’t think guys learning game now even realize how much us oldschool guys would’ve KILLED for infield footage like this. We had to figure this shit out based on text descriptions and go field-test everything to try to see the various reactions to different shit in person because we didn’t have this kind of footage to learn from. I remember looking at potato-quality videos in like 160p trying to decipher what was going on or listening to brutal quality audio with loud club music booming and parts cutting out and… Read more »

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Also part of why Tyler’s “he’s a rape-monster loooook raaaapeeee!!!” stuff didn’t stick during the Julien fiasco is that anyone can look at Tyler’s infield vids and see preselection aka girls loving him and having fun in their interactions with him (whereas Julien’s footage is a little harder to see the girls are having fun because he’s doing more hardcore polarizing stuff in the snippets he shows to gain infamy). There’s zero footage of Roosh interacting with women, let alone them LOVING interacting with him, all we have is a few old pics of him with girls that don’t really… Read more »

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@scribblerg Gonna call me “rape advocate” next too? C’mon man, if we’re about seeking out truth here then we’re gonna find ourselves occasionally considering ideas that are uncomfortable. Does it mean we condone them? No. It just means we can consider the objective reality of the situation, and Roosh’s point in that case was valid: women have been overly assured of their invincibility by assuming all men will take all the responsibility for rape prevention. It’s like believing that a stop light is a brake pedal. You still should be checking for cars running red lights as you go through… Read more »

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Rape on private property being legal… So basically if I’m hanging out at a male friend’s house, and he, God forbid, rapes me. That would be legal because it’s my fault for being such a slut?

” women have been overly assured of their invincibility by assuming all men will take all the responsibility for rape prevention.”

The only responsibility we expect them to take is to not rape >.>

There is something that should be done to decrease false rape claims. Buuut, this aint it.

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there is nothing better than arguing with Emily about RooshV

now is that real, satire, or irony, I’m so confused

(ps I just bought popcorn)

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@Emily “Rape on private property being legal… So basically if I’m hanging out at a male friend’s house, and he, God forbid, rapes me. That would be legal because it’s my fault for being such a slut?” That would make you think twice about voluntarily buying and downing 20 shots of tequila at the bar after popping a bunch of molly and then Tindering a dozen random guys you don’t know to come to your place while you’re shitfaced barely able to stand, or hopping in a random car with guys you don’t know to go back to their place… Read more »

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No one advocates for rape.

…except rapists.

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@redlight “there is nothing better than arguing with Emily about RooshV” lol got sucked into it, should’ve reloaded before hitting Post and deleted mine. I just hate ignorance…it’s painful to read. Anyone can just go read his article for themselves, but they don’t because if they did and they still don’t get that it’s satire/irony/a thought experiment/whatever, then they’re just dumb lol I want the world to be smarter but it seems like the world is getting dumber. Swift today would be hate-mobbed while people like Emily yap about how “you know I really don’t think legalizing eating babies is… Read more »

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@Glengarry:- “I recall another article, possibly at CH, from a year or so ago, where drunken women stumbling around outside ghetto clubs were getting in trouble” mm I reckon that was on Welmer’s The Spearhead (and therefore vanished) and it was to do with handbags, and some sketchy lo-rise venue in a Northern riverside ghetto (where I for one am amazed that the primary fashion fabric isn’t Kevlar. There was a “French Connection” type overhead railroad thingy in the immediate vicinity IIRC). One sort of chavette was whingeing that her fellow chavs were coming off as less than gallant, despite… Read more »

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Ya,

It’s to late for the world to get collectively smarter.

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBwKm8u8Rc4?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360%5D

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@Glengarry:- “I recall another article, possibly at CH, from a year or so ago, where drunken women stumbling around outside ghetto clubs were getting in trouble” mm I reckon that was on Welmer’s The Spearhead (and therefore vanished) and it was to do with handbags, and some sketchy lo-rise venue in a Northern riverside ghetto I reckon the Spearhead already folded by the time that incident happened. There was a long article about it on Just Four Guys, but sadly that folded as well. The internet is a transient place. Some black woman was complaining that no chivalrous black betas… Read more »

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@YeReally

On a different note, let’s not forget that there was a time when the legal concept of “marital rape” didn’t exist. You know, that horrific dark age of barbarism and all that.

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Yep come to think of it Obsidian was all over the comms on that one, so you’re right, JFG it was.
Oh dearie me I’m gettin’ o-old …

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@redlight

There’s no debate to be had with a daft, duplicitous cunt like her. You’ll probably want to save the popcorn for another time.

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@ hoellenhund2

I remember… That was a time when women were held responsible for the “lifelong” decisions.

But nowadays – naah. Who are we to overload the best-human-being-ever-lived with such minor decisions. FREEEDUMMM!

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@YaReally

Not exactly FR, but I’ve made a bunch of new contacts this week in trying to push out around town more. Made a run through a few places in uptown that a bartender suggested, came up dry. However, got a lot more phone numbers, a lot more names, and a lot more people calling me up and saying “Dude, get over here and fucking party with us.”

Feels like I’m on the right track at this point, seeing as I’ve got folks in 4 different parts of town wanting me around.

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I always find it curious how many women I see out, alone, at all hours of the night. Now, I understand that currently, women have the ” right” to go out just like men do ( although I never made it a habit to roam around at all hours of the night ), and I agree that does not mean that they should be accosted, but what ” should ” be has nothing to do with the facts on the ground. And contrary to popular belief, the neighborhood doesn’t have that much to do with it ( a majority of… Read more »

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@Blaximus What we do know is that no matter how crazy the whole drunken, half-naked women in public thing is, if you mention the possibility that something rapey might occur, the torches and pitchforks come out with a vengeance. Exactly this. It’s like a super fucked up version of guilt by association. The mere suggestion that maybe her actions are a bad idea gets you called out as a rapist. I won’t say “labeled” as one, because you already have that by virtue of owning a penis. You just become proof of the “problem” instead of a guy saying “Ladies,… Read more »

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@sun

“You’ll probably want to save the popcorn for another time”

It was for the Super Bowl party

About 2016 Super Bowl commercials, here’s the one that YaReally wrote for Axe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuFPVAGLelc

There’s no men-hating commercials (but a few following the strong woman meme), and there is this commercial for the manosphere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzLfPx-8OuM

(okay, it’s for TVs, but we will expropriate it)

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But why be out late at night alone? Why be half naked in public in the middle of the night? Why be intoxicated, alone and half naked in public in the middle of the night?

To get hit on by alphas.

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@ Sun

Yes indeed.

I always tell my daughters that in most cases, the Law is enforced after the fact.

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The duty of a police officer is to compel appearance in court before a judge, who is the actual law enforcement officer.

Anything else the police do is corollary to that, or, extra-legal.

They overtly have no duty to protect, and providing protection may, in some cases, actually be contrary to law.

They’re not your private army. They’re the judicial system’s private army.

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“You old chicks” This is still going on? I know it was a thought experiment. My argument is that it’s ridiculous. The rape itself is the deterrent, not whether the perpetrator is charged guilty or not. But y’know, let’s use an analogy. Rich people often flaunt their wealth unnecessarily right? And they often get robbed. To teach them humility, let’s legalize robbery for a while. After some time, we’ll see rich people not show up outside with fancy cars and products from expensive brands. But that whole ‘thought experiment’ is ridiculous. For one, it forces the victim to accept an… Read more »

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“After some time, we’ll see rich people not show up outside with fancy cars and products from expensive brands. But that whole ‘thought experiment’ is . . .”

Traditional southern European culture. It is also a strong current in traditional New England culture, where the difference between the mill workers shacks and that of the mill owner is the age of the tar paper.

” . . . 13, and at that age she’s unlikely to take 20 tequila shots before jumping into a car w some stranger.”

You don’t know 13 year olds very good.

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@ kfg Correct. A long time ago a burglar broke into my home in the middle of the night ( bad shit happens in the middle of the night..lol ). I woke up because, like the Beatles song, he came in through the bathroom window. He fell and made a racket that woke me. I came out of my bedroom with 9mm in hand but the burglar scrambled to the door and made a hasty retreat sans bullets. I called the police and when they arrived they took a report. They were more interested in my legal firearm than the… Read more »

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“…YaKnow, if you were nice to me I could have told you nice places in Dallas to meet young’uns.
But nvm >:P”

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Emily: “@Sun
‘Cunt’? Woahh now. I’m being nice and friendly and you say that to me? sad
YaKnow, if you were nice to me I could have told you nice places in Dallas to meet young’uns.
But nvm >:P”

Just l-o-fucking-l.

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@blax, don’t you live in NJ/NY? Cops there are pretty much the most hostile to gun ownership in the country.

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@ Dutch ” @blax, don’t you live in NJ/NY? Cops there are pretty much the most hostile to gun ownership in the country.” Don’t I know it. A long time ago I had to go to a police precinct to apply for a gun permit. I had to play ” 20 questions ” with a desk sergeant before I could get the paperwork. ” What do you need a gun for? ” he asked. I replied with the same question to him, which went over like a fart in church. We also have laws about how and what kind of… Read more »

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