Neofemininity

Left: A child shows off his favorite nightgown. Right: Throughout the weekend make-up is applied, removed and reapplied and wardrobe change is constant.

I’ll admit my reluctance to address anything written by Kevin Powell, but as his most recent CNN pandering to the Feminine Imperative was the Twitter topic du jour in the manosphere this week I thought I’d make a perfunctory stab at it. I’m reluctant to do so because in doing a take-down article I’ll only be preaching to the choir and revisiting many well established topics I’ve covered on The Rational Male for years now.

What convinced me was a conversation I had with Mrs. Tomassi while walking my greyhounds this week. She asked me, “What the hell is wrong with boys these days? The all have no balls. It’s like they want to be girls or something.” We’ve had this discussion before. It usually gets brought up after she’s heard some story about the boys at my daughter’s high school or she sees it first-hand at a football game or some other event.

“Pretty soon, everyone is going to be a woman. Look at Bruce Jenner, “Woman of the Year”?! In the next ten years everyone will be a woman.”

I told her I think ten years might be too long.

When I read male-apologetics like Kevin Powell’s tribute to his own feminine ‘transitioning’ and his efforts at identifying and qualifying to be considered a more ‘perfected man’ in the terms set for him by a feminine-primary social order, it’s not hard to believe that social switch is right around the corner.

A Crisis of Manhood

Masculinity in “crisis” is a hot seller for click-bait articles these days. Women embrace the meme because it offers the tacit prospect of wrangling men into a more definitive control by the Feminine Imperative. Like all popular characterization of conventional masculinity, men have a problem and the cure is to become more like women.

Average men, the ones who make it their sexual strategy to better identify with the feminine, get behind the meme because it offers an easy opportunity to present themselves as the ‘evolved’, not-like-other-guys men they’ve been conditioned to believe women will sexually respond to favorably. Embracing this men-as-problem meme also offers them the opportunity to passively compete intrasexually with the conventionally masculine men then would otherwise never engage.

Before I dig into Powell’s article here I think it’s important to revisit my essay about Vulnerability. Powell’s ego is invested in the ‘strength in weakness’ theme his feminine conditioning has taught him is ennobling and as you read through his pleas for a more feminine-perfected social order he’ll return to it often.

From Vulnerability:

For the greater part of men’s upbringing and socialization they are taught that a conventional masculine identity is in fact a fundamentally male weakness that only women have a unique ‘cure’ for. It’s a widely accepted manosphere fact that over the past 60 or so years, conventional masculinity has become a point of ridicule, an anachronism, and every media form from then to now has made a concerted effort to parody and disqualify that masculinity. Men are portrayed as buffoons for attempting to accomplish female-specific roles, but also as “ridiculous men” for playing the conventional ‘macho’ role of masculinity. In both instances, the problems their inadequate maleness creates are only solved by the application of uniquely female talents and intuition.

Perhaps more damaging though is the effort the Feminine Imperative has made in convincing generations of men that masculinity and its expressions (of any kind) is an act, a front, not the real man behind the mask of masculinity that’s already been predetermined by his feminine-primary upbringing.

Women who lack any living experience of the male condition have the calculated temerity to define for men what they should consider manhood – from a feminine-primary context. This is why men’s preconception of vulnerability being a sign of strength is fundamentally flawed. Their concept of vulnerability stems from a feminine pretext.

Masculinity and vulnerability are defined by a female-correct concept of what should best serve the Feminine Imperative. That feminine defined masculinity (tough-guy ridiculousness) feeds the need for defining vulnerability as a strength – roll over, show your belly and capitulate to that feminine definition of masculinity – and the cycle perpetuates itself.

[…]Men are ridiculous posers. Men are socialized to wear masks to hide what the Feminine Imperative has decided is their true natures (they’re really girls wearing boy masks). Men’s problems extend from their inability to properly emote like women, and once they are raised better (by women and men who comply with the Feminine Imperative) they can cease being “tough” and get along better with women. That’s the real strength that comes from men’s feminized concept of vulnerability – compliance with the Feminine Imperative.

[…]It’s indictment of the definers of what masculinity ought to be that they still characterize modern masculinity (based on the ‘feels’) as being problematic when for generations our feminine-primary social order has conditioned men to associate that masculinity in as feminine-beneficial a context as women would want.

They still rely on an outdated formula which presumes the male experience is inferior, a sham, in comparison to the female experience, and then presumes to know what the male experience really is and offers feminine-primary solutions for it.

It’s important to understand the machinations in which the Feminine Imperative will define masculinity for men. In order to maintain social preeminence the Feminine Imperative must keep men perpetually confused about what masculinity really is. This is precisely why the “crisis” of masculinity will, deliberately, never be solved to the satisfaction of the imperative. To solve the ‘crisis’ would be to deny the Feminine Imperative a method of ever changing, fluid control over men.

Tail Chasing

Thus we get inquisitive articles or mandatory gatherings to discuss “what is manhood?” In a state of feminine social primacy men discussing new definitions of masculinity is always a proposition of men chasing their own tails, but the ambiguity of that question is a calculated one.

Men are encouraged to continually attempt to answer “what is manhood?”, but the touchy-feely equalist appropriate answer is never one defined by the men asking it; the answer is always provided to them and this is always “whatever serves women the best”. Their confused state is a deliberate perpetual one.

As I stated in Vulnerability the narrative of the Feminine Imperative about masculinity is one that’s based falsehoods. If men define masculinity for themselves, and that definition serves men’s exclusive interests it is equated with posing or a front men falsely wear to mask the real masculinity that feminine primacy has ordained as legitimate.

So even when men collectively compare notes and prioritize their needs and their sexual strategy in the context of a legitimate definition of masculinity, the social narrative of feminism and feminine primacy readily disqualifies it as a being a macho bravado worn by men to cover their real vulnerable sensitive feminine-corrected egos provided for them by the imperative.

One of the ways of determining whether the propaganda you’ve dropped from the planes is sinking into the general populace is that your language, your narrative and your public relations material is willfully being professed by the people you hope to conquer. To say Powell is a Vichy Male wouldn’t do his obliviousness to being so credit. Powell is a testament to the degree to which feminine-primary, feminine-correct thought has saturated into men confused about their own masculinity, and the feminine correct definitions of it he’s ready to evangelize.

Neofemininity

Powell’s ego-investment in his feminine-defined masculinity is glaringly apparent.  To attack his belief is to attack his personality, but it’s important to note that his evangelizing reveals his obliviousness to his Blue Pill conditioning. Powell isn’t making a case for a ‘healthier masculinity’; he’s advocating for men adopting a neo-femininity in place of conventional masculinity. Powell is essentially advocating men become more perfected women and renaming that state “masculinity”.

I knew the guys were not comfortable with these mandatory gatherings, so I started each with a simple question:
What is a man?

Sighs of relief and phrases such as “leader,” “protector,” “caretaker,” “responsible,” “head of the house” fell from their mouths. Each session, I told them that they had just described my single mother and most women I’ve encountered in my life. These young men would grow quiet.

Powell kicks things off here with the blank-slate “men and women are functional equals” I described in Hypergamy Knows Best. This is the same “women are just as good at fathering as any man could be” rationale that reinforces men’s superfluousness with women. However, in doing so he sets the stage for defining masculinity in neo-feminine terms.

I grew up as most heterosexual boys did: I played every sport possible. I learned early on the rite-of-passage of seeing girls as sexual objects, as playthings, as anything except my equal. I fought because boys were taught to fight, be rough, antagonistic, to never show weakness, not even to cry, at least not in public. I digested every kind of pop cultural icon one could name, on television, in movies, in books, in my beloved hip-hop culture, who represented the mighty male figure that armies of us were instructed we must become.

This behavior led to catastrophic results for me. I had no clue how to express a balance of emotions for many years: It was either thunderous silence or raw explosions of rage. I did not know how to give love to myself or women and girls, and by the time I got to college, I merely did what other young males on my campus did: I had sex as casually as I slipped on my jeans and sneakers, and often did not give much thought to the woman on the receiving end. And I eventually pushed a girlfriend, post-college, into a bathroom door as we were arguing, the culmination of years of backward and very warped definitions of manhood imprisoned in pain and trauma.

Powell attempts to frame his case for a neo-feminine definition of masculinity in what are now very clichéd, very expected personal vignettes. It follows the Script.

We have the ostensibly ‘tough’ boy who grew up to be so thanks to a comically stereotypically male acculturation that taught him how to adapt and survive in his environment, but all of which stunted his capacity to balance his emotions. Emotional expression and an overemphasis on understanding emotion (in favor of reason) in men is the hallmark of a social narrative that prioritizes the feminine as the correct social context.

The story continues as expected. The kid who had no positive model of masculinity presented to him has an epiphany, renounces his unhealthy masculinity and adopts a non-toxic feminine-defined ‘healthy masculinity’ that prioritizes women under the auspices of “equality”. Most of his corrupted upbringing of course being the fallout from not having his superfluous father around to instruct him. My guess is Mom wasn’t quite the ‘equal’ of being the man he hoped to equate her with earlier.

Just as the feminist movement in America has challenged male domination in every form, a men’s movement is needed now more than ever before. The movement must be inclusive of males of all ages and backgrounds, rooted in peace, love and healthy definitions of manhood that include viewing women and girls as our equals. It should be a movement that is not in opposition to women, not trying to return to the days of “the rugged man,” but one that makes room for every kind of man possible (including men on the LGBTQ spectrum), where we can be vulnerable, emotionally available, truly free.

This is the crux of Powell’s misinformation. The ideal ‘masculinity’ in Powell’s estimate isn’t one of rugged individualism, but rather one that is more feminine-corrected; one in which a believes that society has progressed to a point where his personal vulnerabilities and emotionalism will not only be appreciated, but a source of intersexual attraction. His ideal simply amounts to a common plea for men to identify with women so thoroughly that they answer the question “what is a man?” with “a better woman.”

That Powell subscribes to egalitarian equalism is a given here, but what he needs to truly grasp is that men and women are not, and never have been functional equals. It’s ironic that he should describe his single mother ‘as a man’ and then go on to tell the story of his misspent masculine youth – he makes the case for necessary complentarianism without even realizing it. While I do agree about the necessity of understanding individuals other than ourselves, Powell never makes the connection that it is men upon whom the onus of understanding women always falls. You will never read deep soul searching testimonials like this from women who look to redefine femininity in ways that better accommodate the emotional health of men.

Caricatures of Masculinity

I undertook this post today because of a story I heard on NPR recently. It was about a tribe of Native Americans (I believe in Montana) who were struggling to preserve their indigenous language. The problem was that most of its native speakers were dying out and there were less than six tribe members who still used the language.

During the late 1800s there was a program instituted by the government that made great, often cruel, efforts to assimilate these Indian children into western society. That meant forbidding them from speaking their native tongue and adopting an American social identity. Being young, the kids had little choice and not the same sense of ethnic belonging to really understand why their parents would resist this assimilation.

I think a similar dynamic has been in effect in western culture with regard to masculinity for over sixty years. It’s come full circle now to the point where ‘men’ like Powell only know the caricatured, ridiculous portrayals of conventional masculinity when they need a convenient straw man to blow down. It’s like Indian children seeing the grotesque cartoon parodies of people of their ethnicity in the movies or media; after the laughter and denigration they come to a point of self-loathing where they gladly embrace the new racial identity that’s prepared for them.

The point of Powell’s article was a plea to more thoroughly assimilate young men into a neo-feminine definition of masculinity. He believes that a re-education of boys would help avert more mass shootings by these same young men.  So invested is he in this narrative that the question of whether doubling-down on the re-education in feminine primacy already in place might in fact be the associative cause of these shootings, men’s 4-times higher rate of suicide or PTSD. This isn’t even an afterthought for him.

To Powell the only cure resides with women. To become more like women is masculinity to him. We will denigrate and admonish the overt sexualization of young girls, but when young boys wish to ‘transition’ into being girls themselves we praise them for it, we celebrate it. Feminine primacy consolidates power by replicating itself in men.

The primary reason I went to the effort of writing the Red Pill Parenting series was to help men stave off the total, ethnocidal-like destruction of any semblance of conventional masculinity by men like Powell bent on replacing it with ‘perfected’, male-embodied femininity. The problem isn’t one of boys adopting toxic masculinity, it’s the institutionalized gender-loathing re-education that Powell so desperately endorses. Neofemininity will be the realm of boys and men in tomorrow’s idealism.

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The Tingler
6 years ago

“Heh, I dare you to click on this post’s picture.”

Couldn’t help noticing all the people at that camp had the same skin color.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@HopelessHypergamy

Assuming troll:

Fuck outta here. No chick I’ve ever met would actually take that level of responsibility without eventually rationalizing her way out.

Assuming not troll:

You fucked up. You can’t ever undo that or get those years back. Do what anyone in that position should do: accept those facts about yourself and go forward with the lessons learned. It’s what everyone here has to learn, regardless of sex.

HopelessHypergamy
HopelessHypergamy
6 years ago

I am real, and this is a real request for advice. Though I am not a troll, I won’t publicly do anything to prove my ‘realness’ based on my identity, because I have heard horror stories about personal information being posted and used for harassment. Since I have written myself in an honest but very negative light, I am worried about exposing myself to that kind of personal attack. @SJF In response to your suggestion, I looked at Dr. Schleshinger. It looks, at a glance, like you might be referring to her writings on building “harmonious blended families”… is this… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

HaplessHypergamy gone out of control,

I won’t judge you for marrying 5 times, but I would judge you on your 9th marriage.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Zsa Zsa gabor is ALIVE,

You go gurrrrl

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

I’ve never read her books. I have been listening to her occasionally on XM radio (Starz channel) on my long drives to my farm or driving to my kids college . And when I have a long drive with my wife we can actually listen together when Howard Stern isn’t doing an interesting interview. She is sex neutral (male/female) with her advice. She always defaults to no matter how you fucked up your relationship with a man/men, take care of the children. Do what is best for their upbringing. She’s simple and straightforward in her advice. And despite her past… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

,
Laura Schlessinger would take an early retirement if hopelessly Hypergamy called her show.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

With Sun’s caveats assumed, Hopeless, the guys here are right that you can’t definitively ‘fix’ this. You dun goofed. You can’t go back to your ex. The frame in that relationship is damaged irreparably; you’ve demonstrated through dramatic action that he’s not your best option. I think the best you can do is take care of your children, and try your best to wrest your rebellious instinct into control, so that you can relax into your current man’s frame as much as possible. Every day you get to choose what sort of person to be. Start choosing differently. Men here… Read more »

HopelessHypergamy
HopelessHypergamy
6 years ago
Reply to  Forge the Sky

@Sun thank you for taking the time to legitimately answer. I have made a mess and will need to deal with that as all adults if both genders must sometimes do. @forgethesky thank you, sincerely, to you. Your response was exactly the kind of clarity to how to ethically forge forward. I am in a weak point of not trusting my thought process which I feel is understandable considering this year’s worth of self realization and self awareness. Suffice to say I have made some exceptionally bad decisions based on “feelings” and I want off the merry-go-round of hypergamy. My… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago

@Forge the sky
“Men here de prioritize themselves, and so need to be taught to prioritize themselves and their goals and desires.”

It’s being here that reminds me of the importance if self care.

“Think about man and woman, the world as it appears before you. Think about the actual people as they present themselves to you.”
https://m.soundcloud.com/jkluis/nirvana-come-as-you-are

@HopelessHypergamy
Hang in their check this out.
https://m.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Hey @WildMan, I like the sorts of questions you’re asking. That you’ve spent so much time and grief, and (I suspect) so much blood and so many tears, for them lays lie to the vindictive finger-pointing of many a woman. It lays their claims that men don’t care bald, renders toothless cries of misogyny and oppression, till all their rhetoric is as the weakness of age. But, you know. You’ve spent years trying to learn how to please and elevate women. What have you learned? That you cannot. Leave your mind open. But open it first to this: do you… Read more »

bo jangles
bo jangles
6 years ago

Speaking of Indians, I think their ideal man is very different from our own. Energetic, fearless, humorous, agreeable is more their ideal(whereas ours tends to be more stoic, unemotional, reserved). Something like the Irish ideal(who actually have a saying you should never give a sword to a man who doesn’t know how to dance). I knew a guy of Irish descent like this. Its the only funeral I’ve ever been to where everyone was laughing. It was hard to think about him or his exploits without cracking a smile(I had gone on a hunting trip with him even though he… Read more »

Kaminsky
Kaminsky
6 years ago

Otherworldly writing Rollo and it almost gets bizarre how well you recognize and express these things. My take is that recognizing the pervasiveness of the FI is like peeling an onion. I am still amazed at how deeply it goes and how deeply my own psyche has been pervaded by it. Here’s a quick flyer. -Stage 1 We all have the red pill awakening and look back with regret on our behavior; the oneitis, loss of frame etc and you go into a “I’d like to do it all over again and I would have negged. I wouldn’t have pedestalized,”… Read more »

leopard
leopard
6 years ago

OK guys, totally off topic, so please ignore if you are just following the thread. Just for context, and only because it is relevant, I am a 40 year old virgin. Never kissed a woman on the lips. Not even a prostitute. I am not MGTOW or gay. Didn’t grow up in USA, its not that unusual where I grew up. In fact, it is common if you are shy and don’t want to get married.I am not miserable so I don’t want sympathy. I just need some practical feedback. Let’s just say I am thirsty. Otherwise, I have an… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
6 years ago

Sorry to say that @ leopard

You are 40 and still virgin?
Damn !!

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Leopard: It’s best not to shit where you eat and there are lots of other women you will feel the same way about if you allow yourself.

lh
lh
6 years ago

@Leopard: You should probably get a plan on how to do the logistics, where to go if something happens. You should develop it anyway and keep it for the next time. But your other worries sound like buffers to me. Your gut says something is wrong (and it’s probably right) but it doesn’t point to the right issue. In fact a betrayed husband has nothing to gain from harming you. “Mate guarding” is one of the worst things to do if he want’s to keep his wife. Husbands being cheated on are in a very weak position actually, that’s why… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

HopelessHypergamy October 25th, 2015 at 12:45 am

I agree with Sun Wukong first take. No woman except Amazing Amy Dunne ever had that much introspection.

leopard October 25th, 2015 at 6:02 am

No 40 y.o. virgin ever was that clear-headed. Nice try though.

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

Never kissed a woman on the lips

hire PR and hold a press conference

Liz
Liz
6 years ago

I smell the spicey curry scent of PJ in the room.

Mike
Mike
6 years ago

Betas in transition – that’s what these guys are. If only I could become a lesbian then girls would love me. I must say, having read a bit about what is going on with gender education in younger grade levels, it really appears like much of it is becoming an evil, societal-level shit test of the highest order. The doctors want the kids as young as possible in order to have the best looking transitioned outcome, which unfortunately is the same time when the kids are the most confused. The question then becomes – is 8 year old Johnny beta… Read more »

Omega Man
Omega Man
6 years ago

Do young boys still read the warrior poetry of the past? Young boys want to do daring deeds. Whether it be Horatius holding off the Etruscan army or the brave explorers travelling into distant and unknown lands, they want to accomplish the impossible. Young boys want to be builders, explorers and yes even great warriors. We are not touchy feely and we do not emote. We do! Here is an excerpt of the poem “Horatius” which every young boy should read: He smiled on those bold Romans, A smile serene and high; He eyed the flinching Tuscans, And scorn was… Read more »

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

SJF,

You must admit Helplessly Hoping had you going …but lh is even more invested in leopard….

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Yes. No big deal.

23
23
6 years ago

@thelastcoyote “Many commenters are pointing out – correctly – that it’s difficult for even more masculine, red pill guys to find & make such friends in this day and age.” 100% true. Males now-a-days are so knee deep in hating on any guy with balls, you better hope you’ve made some friends in HS or have have some RP aware guys, or friends that at least get laid, or you’re screwed now. “They hate us because they can’t be us”. You’d think the ignorant cunts who dislike guys who get pussy or are RP aware, would realize they’re no more… Read more »

A Definite Beta Guy
A Definite Beta Guy
6 years ago

Anything to get my brother-in-law out of a dress, please.

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
6 years ago

Nowadays it’s difficult to find real friends, not to mention red pill aware friends.
The questions is where to find these typ of men ?!
Not many male spaces left with the exception of the internet and especially this forum.

A man need other men more than a woman. A man needs a woman just for fucking and for childbirth, nothing more.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Fair Warning – I’m going long, sorry, but this topic needs it. If it makes you crazy, please just scroll on by. Re: Transexualism – Bottom line up front? There is no such thing, it’s complete hokum. I became curious about this a few years back and attempted to understand the science and literature on the topic and I was shocked to find out how utterly weak and superficial it is. Then I ran into J. Michael Bailey Ph.D., a research psychologist at Northwestern who has dedicated his academic life to studying homosexuality and transsexualism. He had very different ideas… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Hopelessly – If you are sincere, its interesting to see the other side of the coin. I can tell you I went through a phase were I despised myself for being so clueless that my first marriage crumbled. I’ve said here and elsewhere that I’m fairly certain I could have turned my first marriage around, but from where I’m standing today I’m glad I didn’t find the sphere until after we were separated. A damaged relationship can often be salvaged, but a great deal of the success depends on the type of damage, and how deep it goes. In most… Read more »

HopelessHypergamy
HopelessHypergamy
6 years ago

@SJF Ok, since you took the time to write me about Dr. Schleshinger, I will engage for this debate… I am either authentic OR A bored person trolling others on the Internet Apply Occam’s Razor to the competing theories. If men don’t think women are actually capable of coming to the realizations I have, would a troll (presumably a man) write one in such a way? I’ve been lurk reading for a year, and though a lot of the men have very negative opinions of women, I didn’t realize the current paradigm has us as actually *incapable* of learning, working… Read more »

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

teddj,
Please don’t feed the troll. First it was desperate for help, now it wants to “debate”.

Marc
Marc
6 years ago

Hello Rollo and fellow men (Men?), I feel compelled writing this down, I’d rather have sent it to you personally but I couldn’t find an email-address or equivalent so I’m just going to post here and see what comes of it. Why do I feel compelled to write? Because I’ve just had the best night out in my life. I did not get layed, I did not talk to any women, I just have some blisters on my feet. About two weeks ago a colleague from work gave me your book, the Rational Male, and I’ve been chewing my way… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

I should be accounted for as a variable even if the percentage is small

what’s to account, one more in the zillion cases of hypergamy? Assuming you’re real, your current husband married a post-wall woman who had four previous husbands and a child, so is beta. There is no submitting to frame, and you just have to nurture your beta and two children (bake them cookies, vacation at Disney). If you want your beta to change, buy him Rollo’s books and wait for the fireworks.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

@scribblerg- Did the same thing for a couple years, studied reports on analysis done, data collected and statistics computed. Like you perhaps, I was looking for answers concerning nature vs nurture. I came to the opposite conclusion as you. There is no objectively identified physiological cause. Research on the research always debunks the findings. Yet the research continues in relentless pursuit of desired results. The researchers who “discover” natural physiological cause, universally and without exception are throwing a dart at the wall, then painting a bullseye around it. The variables are so complicated, little understood and numerous that no real… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” I will engage for this debate…”

This phrase sets every alarm off at once.

“Apply Occam’s Razor to the competing theories.”

In order to do so, one must not make presumptions on which theories are acceptable. No false dichotomies or excluded middles.

“I thought the going theory was that we’re really socialized not to, not that we’re actually incapable of such.”

I’m not sure where you would have gotten such an idea. The Tabula Rasa hypothesis of the social “progressives” is not held in high regard around these parts.

Liz
Liz
6 years ago

PJ: “Apply Occam’s Razor to the competing theories.”
Occam’s chainsaw would suffice.

“Please don’t feed the troll.”
That’s my last feeding.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

I met a woman like @HypergamyRunAmok the other night while out. I AMOGged her date, just for the fuck of it. I guessed she was on her third divorce before she announced it and treated her like the broken, pathetic woman she was all night. She was picking my napkin up off the floor for me by the end of the night, and I mostly ignored her. I destroyed her date, but the guy couldn’t help but like me and be cool with me cuz I just kept complimenting him on his betaness, lol. Women was like 39, might have… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  scribblerg


“endless parade Buffers to avoid becoming better at being a masculine male?”

Dealing with a lot of that today.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

HopelessHypergamy
October 25th, 2015 at 11:57 am

Not interested. State your biases or gtfo.

“I didn’t realize the current paradigm has us as actually *incapable* of learning, working of self awareness, taking accountability, or seeing reason.

I thought the going theory was that we’re really socialized not to, not that we’re actually incapable of such.”

Childish.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@NBTM – Notice you didn’t even bother to debunk a single fact I cited. Clearly you see some advantage in the “it’s all a mystery” argument. Sadly, the LGBT like to do this too as it allows them to sell a plausible but radical view which has no merit either. I’m not going to argue homosexuality with a bunch of Christians though, that’s for sure. Just like I wouldn’t argue particle physics with a 4 year old… The fetal hormonal exposure view is aggravating to both LGBTers and Christian fundos because it makes clear that being gay isn’t genetic but… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Essentially, what I do is concentrate on the teasing and high value and don’t escalate, then instead of number closing, I just give them my card and tell them to text me or email me if I can’t isolate.”

Now you’re getting the hang of silverhead game.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Scribblerg

You cited no facts.

You only parroted LGTB propaganda.

Do more research.

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

LongGone – lol I know, I know… I’m just a hopeless idealist. Still waiting for a woman to step up for a solid debate. 😛

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Scribblerg,

You are using LGTB propaganda to attack Christian fundamentalism. I’m not sure why and don’t care. You are fighting shit with shit. All form of chicanery have their use.

For the record, I’m not a Christian or any other form of stupidstitioner.

Really do more research and throughly examine that which you have already done.

Rocket
Rocket
6 years ago

Glenn, I had an interesting convo with my primary care physician a few years back. I had an artificial knee replacement … been an athlete all my life but it catches up to you. I had a bleeder in my knee IN the hospital that the surgeon got called in to oversee and since I’d lost a lot of blood I was anemic. He wanted a blood test to determine how bad it was and might recommend I stay and extra day or two in the hospital. I asked him if he could do a Testosterone test since they were… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Rocket What about men taking on their own blame for former blue pill tendencies and their own low testosterone? What about not being content with being a couch potato with endless parade Buffers to avoid becoming better at being a masculine male? Why not live your adult life not becoming obese, eating a good diet, lifting weights or being strong from physical exertion, not over-indulging in alcohol, not being stressed out and lacking control over your circumstances and outcomes in life and living a blue pill existence? Having courage, adventure and mastery over something/everything? Having Real Power? I’m not criticizing… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Rocket – Great stuff, and I’ve looked at some of the T research and was tempted. I’ve since decided to ride along as hard as I can on better diet and lifting and it seems to be working. One of the things that did concern me were some of the longer term effects as it seems to suppress natural T generation. I think you may be generalizing a bit too much to see this as related to gestational hormonal exposure. I don’t recall seeing any research showing that the rate of homosexual male births was increasing, and that would be… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Consider the TRANSFORMATIVE CONTEXTUAL presentation of homosexuality. HOMOsexual is defined primarily (by definition of the word) as same sex sexual behavior. Yet it is also defined by personal sexual “identity”. If HOMOsexuals desire sex with the same sex, then why do they feign characteristics of the opposite sex? If HOMOsexuality is based on same sex mutual attraction and consummation, then why theatricalize heterosexuality? Why must the manifestation of HOMOsexuality concern itself with heterosexual distinctions? Today LGTB promoters claim personal “identity” with opposite gender sexuality; a man who identify so as a woman. Is this not primarily based upon hetrosexual gender… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Why are atheists trolling their 5h1t on the site owned by a Christian? Bad manners. Cease and desist.

Blaximus
6 years ago

The Tingler said: ” Here’s why race is important: misogyny is rampant in black culture, far more so than in ours. At the same time, black families are all matriarchal, matrilineal, led by single mothers, and black girls are the most promiscuous in our society. Is it a coincidence that, with this background, black male culture is so misogynist? Of course not. Families led by single moms = more misogyny. Their boys seek their masculine upbringing from older boys, as opposed to their fathers.” Wrong direction. Misogyny is not rampant in black culture. That is a hold out descriptive. It… Read more »

Andrew
6 years ago

“I merely did what other young males on my campus did: I had sex as casually as I slipped on my jeans and sneakers, and often did not give much thought to the woman on the receiving end.” This is a lie. He never did this. If he did actually do this, he would have never ended up at the mercy of a woman controlling his emotions, and consequently chucking her into a door. The more girls I sleep with, the more the red pill sinks in. Guys who do have a variety of sexual experiences understand this kind of… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Rocket: “… LIFTING increases T Level naturally.” So does hitting a heavy bag, shooting big guns and eating what you killed. It’s the physical manifestation of “fake it till you make it.” Make yourself: http://www.bobbiecarlyle.com/images/Carlyle_SMM_sky.jpg @Scribbler: “Whereas if you treat the young woman like she’s exceptional in being appropriate for an older guy it’s like conferring status on her . . .” We haaaaave a winner! I’ll repeat myself, but there is one neg that not only works, but turns her response up to 11: Remove age from your language. She is conditioned to view age difference as a disqualifier.… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

And the church crowd goes wild, lol. Listen, you are welcome to your own mythology, just not your own facts. Fyi, religion reflects social mores much more than they create them. They reinforce things for sure, but to believe that a reversion to regressive Christianity is necessary for our society to be whole again is to miss how fucked up Christianity was and is. I’m sure many of you believe that our classical liberal republic would not have arisen were it not for Christianity, but that’s just because you mostly listen to too many fucktards like Glenn Beck and David… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Rocket

BROUGHT UP THE T-Test. I asked what my level was and he said 130. And looked at me. I said, is that good/bad or what … cause I had no idea. He said the normal range is like 300-500.

The normal range depends on the lab from what I have read on WebMD.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Babbler

IDGAF about your leftist propaganda about Christianity. You’re boring.

Blaximus
6 years ago

Re: Kevin Powell He was first seen on MTV’s Real World in the 90’s. From what I recall, he was a very emotional dickhead in the show, brooding and sulking and routinely flying off the handle. Hallmarks of a boy raised by a single mother., He grew up in my state of New Jersey, a mere 20 miles or so from where I spent my developmental years, in Jersey City. Sections of Jersey City were hardscrabble in those days. Project towers and welfare/section 8 acceptance made these areas bastions of single mother households. This is the scoop on what makes… Read more »

Rocket
Rocket
6 years ago

@SJF Not sure what the attack was about. You didn’t like that fact that there may actually be a biological component to blue pillers, white knights acting the way they do ? Its a fact known by medical professionals that T Levels in men have been declining at the same time 2nd and 3rd wave feminism has been taking over (since the 1970s). Coincidence ? As I said I don’t know why or if its even known why. But it is … that much is a true. It could be as simple as adding something to drinking water, widespread use… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@Rollo – thank-you for the reply (and the link). I have already read most of your articles but it is good to go back and re-read some of topics for which I have difficulty. For me the difficulty is: – When I was a very young guy I did have quite a bit of interest from girls that would tend to gush over me. I mostly just couldn’t bring myself to hook-up with them. This gushing would turn me off. I would think to myself – “where is your self-respect?”. This “training” (family upbringing) I got for seeking the egalitarian… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Rocket, No attack on my part. On the other hand I don’t claim to not understand. My bias is that yes there are exogenous and environmental factors that may play a role, but there are also endogenous factors that can be controlled. I simply don’t subscribe to a mindset that it is all exogenous. Nor that because diet and exercise components are not easy, that they are not controllable. Nor that it is a conspiracy. (No doubt it is a chicken and egg conundrum.) I don’t doubt for a minute that male shaming and societal attempts at masculinity shaming is… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . 5-10, 195lbs . . .” Which says pretty much nothing. I have a friend. 58 years old. Played league football seriously until he was 50. Broad and rugged frame. Runs 5k twice a week. Bangs out up to a thousand push ups a day. Benches 1 1/2 times his body weight no problem. His body weight for reps. He doesn’t have low T. He also hasn’t seen his belt buckle for years. Neither has anyone else. He wears it underneath a fold of his “stomach” so he can pretend that he still has the same pant… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@theasdgamer Why are atheists trolling their 5h1t on the site owned by a Christian? Bad manners. Cease and desist. Last I checked, the site was owned by a guy who wants an open forum for all ideas, regardless of their origin. That will in many cases include gnostic and agnostic atheism. Not quite sure why this is upsetting you now seeing as there are a lot of openly non-Christian commenters like myself here and have been for a while. We’re obviously able to overlook the religious beliefs of someone and instead consider their ideas on intellectual merit. You should try… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

Addendum:

Somehow I left out a relevant fact: my friend weighs . . . 195.

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
6 years ago

You certainly don’t have to convince me that you yourself won’t have horrible acne or uncontrolled aggression

Testosterone has a calming effect on males.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago

@Blaximus http://www.dorislessing.org/thecleft.html Being a male in society seems like a threat from birth. I’ve always craved learning how as a child growing up and was caught with the wrath of women’s demands and imperatives. for a time before I found The rationale male I think I perpetrated the same hate and disgust for my own species and gender. I got seriously abused in many levels by women and girls and observed game but never “played”. Had a large amount of mix messages for every social convention known to modern society. To get over that it took a lot of work… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Blaximus on Kevin Powell
He was first seen on MTV’s Real World in the 90’s.

That dude? THAT dude? Well, that explains pretty much everything. Thanks for clearing away the smoke and fog, making things clear.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Rugby: I didn’t directly address the issue of fitness. Indirectly I illustrated that medically it is a separate issue from weight, which was the subject.

And I’ll further note that “health & fitness” have become a single term, although they are actually separate, fitness often coming at the expense of health.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  kfg

@kfg
I stand corrected.

Roused
Roused
6 years ago

From SJF: “@KFG and Roused: “You sound like a perfect candidate for reading Jack Donovan’s The Way of Men.” Good pickup KFG. I would be disappointed in Roused if he didn’t read that book ASAP. In its chapters he will find a way for him to relate to and redeem his son even if he never speaks of it’s contents to him, but leads him with it’s descriptive format. It does not contain much of a prescription, but he can easily format one for his son’s circumstances. Roused, do you foresee your son developing the four tactical virtues to be… Read more »

Just Saying
Just Saying
6 years ago

Masculinity in “crisis” Masculinity isn’t in crisis – it’s what the Feminazi’s are trying to pass off as “masculine” that is a crime. I learned long ago to be everything that you hear a man shouldn’t be. As a guy that started banging older women, I saw their husbands trying to be Alan Alda, and I swore I would never be like that limp-wristed idiot. As I’ve gotten older I have become everything men are told they shouldn’t be – women are for my pleasure, I hunt, fish, camp – take women when I want to wake with a bang… Read more »

Vitriol
Vitriol
6 years ago

@Just Saying “I’ll enjoy women till I’m dead, then the world can burn for all I care.” Troof right there. I don’t give a shit about guys who say there’s a “right” way to get pussy. They can keep their mortgage payments and blueballs the 80% of the time the girl isn’t down to fuck. I wish everyone the best of luck and would prescribe that getting as much pussy as possible will cure your depression and anxiety. Read the fucking mystery method, bang escorts, hang out at strip clubs, whatever. I don’t want to be the 80 year old… Read more »

Kaminsky
Kaminsky
6 years ago

@Andrew, I picked up on Powell’s (paraphrased) “I was typical. Having my way with beautiful women for years…” Whatever he said elicited the same response in me; “Really?” So the guy’s crisis grew more acute the more he got what he wanted from women? Yeah, right. No guy swimming in good tail goes headlong up his own ass in introspection. It’s just the opposite. His whole write-up is a fraud. The beginning especially is a straw man (I think someone’s already made that observation, I’m sure). Now that I know it’s that insufferable dude from MTV all bets are off… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@Forge the Sky Thanks for your comments. When with a non-bitchy or non-cunty woman, the lays really haven’t been a problem or costly (but I can’t say that about the bitches and the cunts – with them there is a direct relationship between the lays and everything else. It is best to cease such a relationship as quickly as possible and learn, so as to avoid this type of woman). But with a more normal woman – no – the sex is the sex, to be enjoyed by both, and not directly tied to anything else but perhaps indirectly tied… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Sun

We’re obviously able to overlook the religious beliefs of someone and instead consider their ideas on intellectual merit. You should try it.

Lol

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
6 years ago

@Rocket

Has your doctor used a calculator the one at this link?

https://www.nebido.com/tools/index.php/en/default/index/free-calculator

There are three separate levels from blood tests that determine the true normal.

If “normal” is based on the range of one level, please ask your doctor, “How is it that you still have a license to practice?”

leopard
leopard
6 years ago

When I searched for replies to my post, I was genuinely terrified about possibility of the, not uncommon, reaction on TRM comments to incels that they are pussies, losers etc. I no realize that the 40 year old virgin fact may have seemed like a troll. It’s just a coincidence that they made a movie with that name. In a sense, I am somewhat relieved because skepticism is better than ego bruising, if ostensibly beneficial, derision. As to being clear headed, well you need to understand that although porn and the occasional lap dance may be cheap substitutes for sex,… Read more »

IAS
IAS
6 years ago

@ leopard : the average male indeed has almost nothing to offer to the reasonably attractive female. That is a consequence of hypergamy. Become above average. And do it for yourself, not to offer anything to anyone (deities, females, parents – offer your self-improvement to yourself). If you aren’t sufficiently motivated for that, at least if you internalize RP knowledge you are better informed and can investigate alternatives. Even if it is impossible for you to become above average with a lot of effort, if you focus on self-improvement you will be better off. I do think it will be… Read more »

Inkwell
6 years ago

Very good points above about Powell’s father being completely absent from his “understandings”. How about this? http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/oct/10/neil-strauss-the-game-book-truth Came across that on a female friend’s fb post recently.. I wonder if Strauss has fully understood the true nature of his problems either. I would be surprised if the really has turned beta, yet he doesn’t seem to discuss the reasons that caused his inner emptiness, lack of strength, outward seeking and the resulting addiction in the first place. Female readers (my friend included) are undoubtedly quick to jump into the conclusion that it was “twisted masculinity” that caused the problem, and… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Vitriol – Sadly, I’m with you now. I was a “nice guy” in my own way for 50 years (natural with Blue Pill conditioning) and it ripped my heart out, leaving me a self-loathing, broken wreck. Playing by the old set of rules will ruin a man in today’s world.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Sun

Because most people probably missed your reframing and shaming, I guess I need to point it out. I also lol’d at your acceptance of leftist anti-Christian propaganda, as if they are atheist ideas worthy of serious consideration and on topic. trollololol

InsanityBytes doesn’t need to do anything to distract with your lot’s anti-Christian trolling.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

And IDGAF about MGTOW incels. If you have nothing to offer women, then you will be incel. Having something to offer women doesn’t mean that you are necessarily operating in the frame of women. Sex is transactional–men give something and women give something. It’s Red Pill to offer women something if you are getting something of value in return. You offer women something and they enter your frame. Win-win.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Leopard – With respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. You wouldn’t know game if it jumped in your lap and started humping you. Consider that you are rejecting what would help you become much more successful with women just because you like feeling like you are right – a pathetic, self-defeating exercise in mental masturbation with no real payoff. Do these four things and I guarantee you mindset will change: – Go to the top of this page and read Rollo’s “Best of …” posts from start to finish. – Read Jack Donovan’s “The Way of… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Sun – Notice the infantile, hysterical quality of the response. “You have no facts” lol. This is standard Christian defensive rhetoric these days, to claim everything is a theory and nothing is knowable precisely, so their ideas are just as possibly true as anything else. It’s anti-intellectual in the extreme. But here’s what’s also true. There is no “debate” to be had with such folks about homosexuality or transsexualism (which I state is “hokum”). They see the world through the lens of sin and their mythological worldview. Funnily, they have much in common with the leftists they claim to hate… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . under the age of majority teens is nothing like pedophilia. It’s a social stricture that is relatively new in human history . . .”

Little more than a century, originally only applied to girls and had nothing to do with contemporary ideas about consent.

Then the feminists drove out the white knight moralists who had started the campaign to raise the age of consent and converted it to their own agenda; creating weapons against men.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Following on my last comment, it’s Red Pill to change yourself so that you have something to offer women if you don’t want to be incel. That isn’t entering the frame of women. You aren’t giving women control of your life (i.e., submitting to the frame of women). I think that the confusion comes from ambiguity because of poor phrasing of the argument. We make changes to ourselves because we want to be more attractive to women. So some say that we make changes “for” women. If men think that removing the Blue Pill blinders and realizing how to act… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

“the average male indeed has almost nothing to offer to the reasonably attractive female. That is a consequence of hypergamy. Become above average. And do it for yourself, not to offer anything to anyone (deities, females, parents – offer your self-improvement to yourself).” My definition of above-average: My own mental point of origin. Pride and self-confidence. Acceptance of yourself. Sexual options. (whatever they may be for the individual man) Self sustaining debt only. V-shaped torso. Under 12% body fat. (goes with the v shape) Gang of male friends. Personal style. Income options. (either transferable skills with high demand or income… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Scrib – “Me? I’m a “conservatarian” in that I..”

I don’t known if you penned conservatarian, but I’m adopting it. I’ve always said I was a fiscal conservative but a libertarian on individual rights and government intrusion. Your summation is perfect.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Whew, a lot of reading this morning. @HopelessHypergamy Just on the off chance you or others like you might actually exist. Here’s some advice. Don’t go back to #4 because you’ll lose respect for him for taking you back. Quit your job, let your husband take over your finances, stay home with the kids. Never say no to sex (from husband), give the guy a blow job every once in a while and make him a sandwich. That will most likely cure the Provider side of your hypergamy. As for the fucks side of hypergamy… Take some responsibility for yourself… Read more »

HopelessHypergamy
HopelessHypergamy
6 years ago
Reply to  Andy

@Andy Thanks for your thoughts and advice. I had already “retired” from my successful career with husband number 4 when I had my first child. Anecdotally, I enjoy sex for my own reasons (a lot) and pretty much never say no already. I attribute loving sex to the reason for one of my failed marriages (number 3 had too low a sex drive. We only had sex once every 14 days or once a month and I eventually hypergamied my way to number 4.) I certainly didn’t need better financial support at the time, so that one was all about… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“Thoughts on being above average guys?”

Anyone reading this.
Anyone that tries to improve themselves.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

And anyone who believes that homosexuality is a choice at this stage of the game is announcing they are fucking morons. Truly.

Yeah, I just don’t understand this thinking unless there’s some sort of percentage of gay, and I happen to be 100% straight. I don’t want to be anywhere near some dude’s stank hairy asshole. I just don’t understand how anyone could think that’s a choice.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Adsgamer – We are better off if we just leave religion aside because you are good on many other fronts. We disagree and I don’t argue religion or God. You can call what I say propaganda until your head explodes, it only shows your ignorance. But let’s move on… What’s missing from the MGTOW/Incel “don’t give the power to women” shrieking is an acknowledgment of the power imbalance that is innate in human intersexual dynamics. Women choose and men compete for that choice. Men have much higher drives and appetites, we are bio-programmed to enjoy and crave sex much more… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Andy – Hypergamy’s journey is a one way trip, there is no undoing her mindset – she’s ruined. What she’s doing now is freaking out because she realizes it. But self-knowledge without actual change is not worth much. Many psychopaths have moments of lucidity and self-awareness – this means almost nothing.

So many women like her out there, wrecking families and men and children and the social fabric around them. What she really needs is to be massively shamed for the harm she’s done via her irresponsibility. But where will that come from?

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@ Scribbler G In light of the thoughts you just wrote, go back and read the article that Inkwell October 26th, 2015 at 6:59 am referred to about Neil Strauss’ latest book. I hold Strauss in high regard as a writer. He is really good at it. A discriminating reader can recognize excellent writing. (I have high esteem for ScribblerG, Rollo and Ian Ironwood as writers, they are simply excellent at putting words on paper. And have fantastically good content) Even though the FI will try to write their own narrative about Strauss, he is actually quite congruent and an… Read more »

Softek
Softek
6 years ago

@ scribblerg My friend summarized it really well the other day through some sarcasm. He started talking in a funny voice and said something like this: “Hey guys, I’m MGTOW. Are you looking? Do you see how MGTOW I am? What do you mean you don’t care? Look at me going my own way. Are you looking? What do you mean you don’t care that I’m going my own way? How am I supposed to be MGTOW if no one recognizes me as MGTOW? Where’d all of you go? Hello? Are you listening to my MGTOW podcast? Hello?” Lol. Meanwhile… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Hypergamy’s journey is a one way trip, there is no undoing her mindset – she’s ruined.

I agree that it’s highly unlikely she’ll ever be happy. But at least maybe she can prevent herself from fucking up again and making the best of the situation.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Softek

Hey, it’s nice to hear that you are trying hard to be better at being a man.

Good Luck.

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@kfg – Thank-you for the link. The link you provided, for the article in the MasculinePrinciple blogspot, really nicely sums up everything I eluded to in my above posts, which I have garnered from reading Rational Male (mostly), and Chateau Heartiste (a more cynical take), applied to my own experiences. So for me I guess the take away has to be – don’t view it as cynical, view it as what is, is. It is the social conditioning (and the signalling of women in general), that paint it as cynical. I have to shut that influence off completely somehow (because… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Re: 40 year old virgin

Granted it’s unlikely that this guy is telling the truth. However when you hear a person extolling the virtues of abstinence it would make sense that that person had never had sex before. lol.

For the record Mr. Virgin. Sex is worth it. Go fuck that yoga chick.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Also I noticed that on the MasculinePrinciple blogspot that you linked me to (which I see is extensive and I am going to undertake to read all of it now), that the yin/yang symbol was shown, implying I suppose, that it would still be incorrect to put “man” in the superior position, in the final analysis? @Wild I like you. About this quote I would say that what is or is not “superior” is subjective. Staying home, raising children and supporting a husband is not necessarily inferior. But I do agree in the sense that I believe very very few… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Scribblerg In one of Owen Cook’s recent videos, he was talking about the film ‘The Grey.’ I haven’t seen it, but (spoilers alert) it’s about a group of men who crash deep in the Alaskan wilds and find themselves in a hopeless quest for safety as they are pursued by a pack of wolves. He said that the interesting thing about the film was that it was a reflection of the human condition – none of us are ultimately going to ‘make it;’ there’s no hollywood ending. In the end, all of us are going to die. But each of… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Wild Man It’s tempting just to let you write on. Putting all this down is catalyzing a lot of things for you. But there’s two things I think I can contribute, since I went through a similar struggle myself. First, my parents have a highly functional relationship that certainly appears to be egalitarian to any bluepill analysis. But I’ve had the benefit of still having them around after taking the redpill. And what I observe is interesting – they act egalitarian in normal, everyday interactions. But if a real issue hits, there is no question who is really in charge.… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ scribbler We are better off if we just leave religion aside Pray don’t stop the atheist circlejerk. I have faith that many found it damned droll. Ok, I jest. because you are good on many other fronts. Bear with me. I’m not good in the slightest, but I appreciate the sentiment and acknowledge our agreement. What’s missing from the MGTOW/Incel “don’t give the power to women” shrieking is an acknowledgment of the power imbalance that is innate in human intersexual dynamics. Women choose and men compete for that choice. Men have much higher drives and appetites, we are bio-programmed… Read more »

lh
lh
6 years ago

Those that contemplate are not weak, but they live less vividly.

I think they are weak, because they are afraid of diving in the fight that is life.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“I wonder, though, if *I* concoct and scheme plans for him to build a strong frame for me to come into, am I still holding the power?”

Yes. Even if he’d read them, I wouldn’t even buy him Rollo’s books. Because then his newfound frame would always seem to be something you did to him for your benefit.

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