Red Pill Parenting – Part II

Father-Son1

What I’m about to detail here will be a revolutionary act; I’m going to give men some prescriptive advice on how I believe they should go about raising their children from a Red Pill perspective. As most of my readers know I do my best to provide observations and connect dots, from there I expect men (and women) to form their own takes on what I’m seeing and either challenge those observations or develop some actionable practice that best suits their own circumstances.

I’ll be breaking that protocol here, but the premise still applies; what I think might be universally applicable to raising and mentoring the next generation may need to be modified for what your experience and circumstances dictate.

That said, the very idea that I would inform or instruct men (and by association women) on how I think a healthier, more durable generation of men might be developed in a Red Pill awareness is tantamount to being a hate crime today. My suggesting that boys and girls would benefit greatly from a Red Pill aware father is a frightening, seditionary act in a feminine-primary social order.

As things stand on a societal level now, just the mention of Red Pill truths in casual conversation will engender either ridicule or hostility. As Red Pill awareness spreads it will be considered subversive, particularly in a social order founded on the Feminine Imperative and feminine-primary social prioritization.

I don’t have too much positive to say about Roosh these days, but one thing I had to agree with was his recent assessment of how it’s necessary for men to meet in secret gatherings and maintain (as best as possible) a state of constant anonymity if they wish to discuss anything counter to feminine-primary social doctrine. Main stream media in feminine-primary society will characterize this need for anonymity as indicative of cowardice or a lack of conviction; bitter men just contenting themselves in their private anger and poisoning the minds of whomever will listen to them.

They need this characterization for now because men have something to lose. They fear having their bread taken away from them – the same bread that feminine-primary society expects men to provide the very women who would use it to extort a desired complacency from men. Cowardice is rooted in the fear of having something to lose. Once men become largely indifferent to that bread being forthcoming, that’s either when they snap, or that’s when they start a revolution.

ScribblerG (a.k.a. Glenn) had a good reminder for men in the last thread:

Being a dad isn’t all that great in many ways these days. At best it’s mostly thankless, but for most men they are fathering into a culture that denigrates them, laughs at them and is hagiographic of motherhood. If you think this won’t effect how your children see you as a father, you are fucking kidding yourself.

I used to ride the train back and forth to the city – leaving my home at 6:30 in the morning and returning at 7:30 or later, wondering if my daughter would ever realize all I sacrificed to provide for her and her mom? I’d wonder if she’d ever get that I sacrificed being as close to her as her mother is to her for her wellbeing? That her closeness with her mom as a result of having a stay at home mom until she was 5 was a consequence of my efforts, not her Mom’s?

Guess what – nobody wants to hear it. Nobody gives a shit what sacrifices you make to be a good father and provider – it’s all about Mom. It’s all about the kids. Dad’s are at best seen as second best Moms most of the time. And even when we are “in charge”, we can be dismissed as superfluous in myriad ways.

Many men adapt by becoming second mothers and wives in the household – and the entire culture encourages this. Try being a traditional male at parent teacher night or at the pre-school or even the Boy Scout troop…Fatherhood and a family is not what it once was either. Trust me, learn from my experience. Your kids will very likely not appreciate all you’ve done for them.

Of course, I excuse all the fundo-christian-demi-god-uber-alpha-ripped-11 inch cock-men of steel™ here from this commentary. For you guys, it’s 1956 and your life is like Wally and the Beav…

Just like men subscribe to two sets of books – old and new social rule sets that contradict the other – I think our ideas of marriage fall into this same contradiction. When marriage was a social contract and not so much a legal one involving the state, the old set of books applied well to that institution. This old set of rules about marriage and what men could expect from that largely socially-enforced institution worked well and in a complementary paradigm. From the Little House on the Prairie days up to the post-war era, the first set of books worked well with regard to marriage and fatherhood.

After the sexual revolution, the second set of books took social preeminence. Optimizing Hypergamy and all of the social and legal paradigms that make it the foundation of our present social order took priority. Yet, both men and women still cling to the old order, the first set of rules when it comes to a man’s role as a husband and a father, and simultaneously expect him to adopt and promote the feminine-primary interests of the new feminine-primary order.

Fathers are expected to follow the edicts of conventional masculinity with regards to their provisioning for a family, but are also expected to adopt, embrace and internalize their popularized role of being superfluous, ridiculous or even angry and abusively resistant to the second set of rules.

In other words, the expectation is that he should  be happy in his sacrificial role of provider, happy in his lack of appreciation for it or his presence, and happy to have the ‘village’ of society raise his children into the next crop of confused, frustrated adults while he’s doing it. He should be happy in his presence being devalued, but be held responsible for his lack of presence that his sacrifices demands.

Oh, and he should also feel a sense of smug pride when he see another man being pilloried for the same lack of his superfluous presence in his family’s life.

Raising Kids

I’m sure all of this sounds like a bridge too far for most men. Yes, the prospect of becoming a father is depressing, and I can see how these truths would make the average man despondent about becoming a new parent. However, I feel it’s incumbent upon me that I’m honest with men about what they’re up against before I advocate how to be a Red Pill aware father.

You will never be appreciated for your sacrifices, and certainly not while you’re making them. Your presence is only as superfluous as you allow it to be. While you will never be appreciated for it in any measurable sense, you will be liable for it, so my advice is to make the most of it in a Red Pill respect. Your reward, your motivation, for being a Red Pill parent and a positively masculine example in your kids’ lives needs to come from inside yourself because it will never be rewarded by a feminine-primary social order. If you don’t think you will ever find being a parent intrinsically rewarding, get a vasectomy now because it will never be extrinsically rewarding.

Understand now, the Feminine Imperative wants you to be despondent about your role.

Understand this, your presence, your influence, will only be as valuable or as appreciated as you are willing to make it to yourself. Your Red Pill aware influence in your kids’ lives needs to matter to you first, because it will never be appreciated in your time, and in fact will be actively, hostilely, be resisted by a world saturated in feminine-primacy.

Being a mother and birthing a child is a constantly lauded position today. By virtue of being a mother, women are rewarded and respected in society. Men must add fatherhood to their burden of performance just to avoid the societal default of being vilified.

The Feminine Imperative wants you to give up and allow the ‘village’ to raise your sons and daughters to perpetuate the cycle of the second set of rules. It wants you to feel superfluous; the Feminine Imperative’s maintenance relies on you feeling worthless. The reason men commit suicide at four times the rate of women is due exactly to this sense of male-worthlessness cultivated by the Feminine Imperative.

In Preventive Medicine I detail part of our present feminine-primary conditioning and how the imperative raises boys to be Betas and girls to be caricatures of Strong Independent Women®. Part of this was based on the essay Teach Your Children Well and the early ages at which this begins. The first, most primary truth you need to accept as a father is that if you don’t teach your children Red Pill truths there is an entire western(izing) world that is already established to raise them in your absence.

‘The Village’ will raise your kids if you don’t. You will be resisted, you will be ridiculed, you will be accused of every thought-crime to the point of being dragged away to jail in your imparting Red Pill awareness (in the future I expect it to be equated with child abuse). The Village will teach your boys from the most impressionable ages (5 years old) to loath their maleness, to feel shame for being less perfect than girls and to want to remake their gender-identity more like girls.

The Village will raise your daughters to perpetuate the same cycle that devalues conventional masculinity, the same cycle that considers men’s presence as superfluous and their sacrifices as granted expectations. It will raise your daughters to over-inflate their sense of worth with unearned confidence at the expense of boys as their foils. It will teach them to openly embrace Hypergamy as their highest authority and to disrespect anything resembling masculinity as more than some silly anachronism.

The good news is that for all of these efforts in social engineering, the Feminine Imperative is still confounded by basic biology and the psychological firmware evolved into us over millennia. That basic root reality is your greatest advantage as a father.

Raising Boys

I’m often asked when I believe would be the best time to introduce a boy to the Red Pill. A lot of guys with teenage sons want to hand them a copy of The Rational Male before they hit 18, or maybe when they’re 15, some even say 12 is really a good time. While it’s flattering for me to hear men tell me how they gave their teenage sons a copy of my book, I have to think that this is too late.

I’ve been a father to a teenage daughter for a while now and in my 20’s I was a mentor (big brother figure) to a young man I watched grow from a 10 year old boy to a 30’s man today. One thing I’ve learned from dealing with kids as I have is that the Feminine Imperative conditions children from the moment they can understand what’s playing on a TV or in a movie. By the time that kid is 10 they already have the ideological conditioning that came from a decade of meme’s and messaging taught to them by schools, Disney, Nickelodeon, popular music, feminine-primary parenting from their friends parents, even your own extended family members.

By the time that kid is 10 they’ve already internalized the stereotypes and social conditioning of the Blue Pill and they will start parroting these memes and behaving and believing in accordance with that conditioning. By the time they are in their tweens and beginning to socially interact with the opposite sex, the Blue Pill feminine-primary conditioning will be evident to any man with a Red Pill lens to hear and see it. That Blue Pill internalized ideology will seem natural and logical to them even though they couldn’t tell you how they came to their formative beliefs.

The time to start exemplifying Red Pill awareness in a parental capacity is before you even have kids. As I detailed in the first of these posts, an internalized Game that results from strong Red Pill awareness and a positive, dominant Frame control are imperative before you even consider monogamy. That Frame becomes the foundation for your parenting when your children come along.

I realize this isn’t exactly helpful for men who came to Red Pill awareness after their kids were in their teens, but it needs to be addressed for men considering becoming a father. Ideally you want to impart that same Red Pill awareness during a boy’s formative years. Children completely lack the capacity for abstract thought until their brains fully form and they learn to develop it. The age of 5 is the time when kids are most impressionable and learn the most, but they do so by watching behavior. So it’s imperative for a Red Pill father to demonstrate positive, conventional masculinity during these years.

Include your son in male-space, where only men are allowed to participate. Even if all he does is sit and play, it’s important for him to understand male tribalism. Eventually, as he gets older, he’ll feel more a part of that collective. In a feminine-primary world that is bent on his devaluation as a male human it’s important for him to feel valued in male-space and to institute his own male-space as he gets older.

Within this male-space your son needs to learn about his eventual burden of performance.I’d also advise you institute some kind of rite of passage for him from being a boy to being a man. There needs to be a delineation point at which his manhood is marked. This is important because it not only teaches him to value his masculinity, but also to accept the responsibilities of his burden of performance.

Most Beta men are uncomfortable even calling themselves ‘men’, so the earlier a kid understands this the better he is in accepting his manhood. The Feminine Imperative is all too ready to teach him his masculinity is a mask he wears; something he puts on and not the ‘real’ him. He needs to proudly reject this notion that his masculinity is a show.

He needs to learn that men and women are different and only deserving of earned respect, not a default respect granted to the female sex. Eventually he needs to learn to accept his own dominance and mastery in a world that will tell him his sex is a scourge on society.

Your presence in his life is an absolute necessity if you are to thwart the efforts of fem-centrism. I was asked about Red Pill fathering in my last Christian McQueen interview and my first inclination was to say do things with your son. Even if that’s playing chess, being the man, his model for masculinity is vitally important and to impart this to him you need to have a mutual purpose. As I’ve written before, women talk, men do. Men get together socially with a purpose, an action, a hobby, a sport, a creative endeavor, etc. and then they communicate while working towards that purpose.

Your son must learn this from a very early age, particularly when he’s likely to be forced into feminine-primary social structures and conditioned to communicate like girls do in school as well as in popular media. One of the tragedies of our age is a generation of Blue Pill men raising their sons to adopt feminine-primary communication preferences because they themselves had no experience with conventional masculinity. They can’t teach what they don’t understand.

Demonstrate, do not explicate is true of dealing with women, but it is also an imperative of Red Pill parenting. Your son (and daughter) needs to see his mother’s deference to your dominant Frame and beneficent authority. He needs to understand on a rudimentary level that his mother responds to your positively masculine Frame. Again this is imperative since your kids will see a much different narrative being displayed in popular culture and their schooling.

Show him how a man presents himself, how a man reacts to a threat, how a man commands a dog, how a man interacts with, and helps, other men he values. Do not think that you’ll start teaching him Red Pill awareness when he’s old enough to understand it. By then it’s too late, he’s resistant to it and thinks his Beta Game is more appropriate. Your son will follow your lead, but that must start from day one, not age 12. I have a good friend now who’s 16 year old son is literally following the same path his Beta father; he’s moved in with his estranged ex wife because he was closer to his ONEitis girlfriend. Now she’s bailed on him and he’s stuck with his neurotic mother.

The consequences of a Blue Pill conditioned mindset also start early. I’ve seen 10 year old boys despondent over not having a girlfriend. I’ve counseled a girl who’s former teenage boyfriend stabbed and killed her new boyfriend 32 times because she was his ONE. They get ONEitis because they are taught to be predisposed to it.

As your son moves into his teenage years that connection you began in his formative years should strengthen. You can begin to introduce him to Red Pill awareness, but in all likelihood you’ll notice him using his own Red Pill lens when it comes to dealing with girls. His grasping the fundaments of women’s dualistic sexual strategy, Hypergamy and how this will be used against him in the future is something imperative that he learns later.

This is the time to reinforce that Red Pill sensitivity and capitalize on his own awareness by introducing him to Red Pill ideas he wasn’t aware of. Bluntly, overtly declaring Red Pill truths might make sense to you, but plucking out bits of his own Red Pill observations and expanding on them in his teen years will probably be received better and more naturally.

One thing I know about teenage boys and girls is that if you try to tell them something profound they roll their eyes and blow you off, but if you wait for the right moment to let them come to that thing you want them to learn on their own then they’re receptive to it. Your demonstrating Red Pill awareness doesn’t stop when they’re teens.

Raising Girls

Much of what I’ve outlined for raising boys would cross over into raising a daughter, however there are some differences in approach. Exemplifying a Red Pill ideal, and demonstrations of positive, dominantly masculine Frame control are still the highest priority, but more so is the modeled behavior of the girl’s mother toward you and that Frame. If your wife resists, ridicules or mocks your Frame, this is the lesson your daughter will be taught about masculinity. You must model her perceptions of masculinity while your wife models the aspects of femininity – for better or worse.

A lot of how you approach raising a daughter can be based on your Red Pill understanding of how to deal with women, and based on much of the same basic gender-complementary foundations. The same Game principles you would use with women are actually founded on behavior sets that little girls learn and enjoy while they’re growing up. Amused Mastery is a prime example of this.

You will notice that root level Hypergamy manifests itself in girls at a very young age. In Warren Farrell’s book, Why Men Are The Way They Are he notes that girls as young as 7 already have a a definition of the (celebrity) “boys they’d like to kiss and the boys they’d like to marry.” No doubt girls’ acculturation influences their preferences, but the Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks archetypes are part of their mental firmware.

As a father, your primary role will be one of modeling the provider security seeking aspect of the Hypergamous equation. While that comfort and control is necessary it tends to be a trap for most Betas. The challenge most Beta fathers fail at is embracing and owning the very necessary Alpha / Dominant role that makes up the other side of that equation.

The challenge is exemplifying Amused Mastery with your daughter, but in such a way that it balances Alpha dominance and control with rapport, security and comfort. In my post Myth of the Good Guy I make the case that adult women don’t really look for this balance in the same man. Alphas are for fucking, Betas are for long term security, and men who think they can embody both are neither sought after nor really believable. The root of this AF/BB mental separation of Hypergamous purpose-specific men can be traced back to the impression of masculinity that woman’s father set for her in her formative years.

Lean too far toward Alpha dominance and you become the asshole abuser who domineered poor mom while she was growing up. Lean too far to the Beta, permissive, passive and feminine side of the spectrum and the future men in her life will be colored by your deferring to the feminine as authority – thus placing her in the role of having to create the security she never expects men to have a real command of.

The challenge of raising a boy is modeling and exemplifying the positive, dominant masculine role you want him to boldly embrace in spite of the same fem-centric world arrayed against yourself. The challenge of raising a girl is embodying the dominant masculine man you will eventually be proud to call your son in law. Your daughter needs to be able to identify that guy by comparing him to the masculine role you set for her.

Most contemporary men (that is to say 80%+ Beta men) are very uncomfortable in asserting dominance with their daughters for fear of being perceived as misogynists according to their feminine-centric acculturation. The zeitgeist of this era’s approach to fathers parenting girls is one of walking on eggshells around their little princesses. The fear is one of avoiding instilling a crushing of their independence or limiting their future opportunities by being more permissive with girls. The gender-correct hope is that in doing so they’ll all go on to be the future doctors and scientists society needs, but that permissiveness and coddling does them no favors in the long run.

If you were uncomfortable experimenting with Red Pill concepts while you were single, you’ll be even more so in raising a daughter. The most important impression you need to leave her with is that men and women are different, but complementary to the other. She needs to know that your masculine dominance is beneficial to both her and her mother, and your personal mastery of you conditions and environment as an aid to her and the family. She needs to understand that girls and women are, sometimes, excluded from male-spaces, particularly if you also have a son. In fact it’s boon if you have a son to teach while you bring up a daughter as she’ll see his upbringing as a model for positive masculinity.

 

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Jeremy
6 years ago

Yes, but if you wait for the royal flush to bet big, you’ll loose all you have in antes.

YaReally
6 years ago

@teddj4g “Oh, and you only need 1 four leaf clover to get good luck. ;)” That’s a cute sentiment. Tell it to these guys: https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/search?q=virgin&restrict_sr=on And: https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/comments/2xk74e/rtheredpill_was_right_im_a_beta_and_a_loser/ “I’m very short, think bottom 10% statistically. I used to be fat and now have massive ugly scars running through my body making my skin look like patched-up fabric.” “The only thing going for me is a passion for art and a 6-figure career. But it doesn’t matter. I sit here alone with my paycheck and bitter memories of trying to be witty/engaging/interesting, asking out tons of girls and getting rejected each time.”… Read more »

agent p
agent p
6 years ago

@rollo, So per above, my message to my son, this is a parenting thread after all, is to put in the work if they want the good outcome. The lesson to my son is all the basics, get in shape, have some style, approach like there’s no tomorrow and adopt a mindset for success. The little guy is only eleven, but he’s overcome some big challenges in his life already in the educational environment, he has attained quantifiable success that is demonstrable simply through hard work and some good coaching by his school. so I am lucky because I’ll always… Read more »

Dragonfly
6 years ago

Wow! It’s like the PUA is giving out philosophical life advice! But it would actually really help many of the Christian young single men that are conditioned their whole life to be a certain way… and then to be happy they got a girl (finally) on her time table. And then they live so many years with sex issues 🙁 Imagine the impact of a PUA like that one in that last video telling a group of single Christian men who were ready to hear the message about why they mess up so much with women. Especially that part about… Read more »

Dragonfly
6 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

It’s amazing to me, that in realizing the problem, one can also shut out the possibility of any solutions outside of what makes them comfortable.

Luxocrat
Luxocrat
6 years ago

Just came across this tidbit via Twitter (tagged you in it, Rollo): https://youtu.be/PRY-6Sv9H94

REPORT: WHY MEN ARE GIVING UP ON MARRIAGE
Marriages in U.S. now at record low – and it’s by design!

by KIT DANIELS | INFOWARS.COM | OCTOBER 17, 2015

More and more men are giving up on marriage.

A Catholic pastor recently revealed he’s only performing five marriages a year, down from 35 over 25 years ago.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Y’all tearing this comment section up!!! Great conversations. YaReally – that reddit is horrifying. ” Lemme know how the whole “guys should just have high standards and not be desperate enough to bang girls that can’t quote the encyclopaedia like my unicorn wife” advice pans out for these guys. PUA can help these guys get past this shit if they decide they want to put in the work and can work on letting go of the victim mindset and quit listening to people telling them that shit they’ll never have is what they need to get a girlfriend instead of… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

YaReally – thank you man. Really.

Rollo – You already know brother.

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

I made the mistake of clicking on that reddit link. Fuck me. I was in a mindset like that for a long time. Long time. Short, ugly, worthless. Oh yeah, been there. Still can feel it at the edge of my brain, haunting me, teasing me. For awhile the red pill teachings made it worse. I couldn’t handle it. Sometimes it comes back. Just a few minutes at a time. Sometimes for whole days. Oneitis is hard with that mindset too. What if this is the only girl I could ever have sex with, ever? What if I get out… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” It’s like the PUA is giving out philosophical life advice! ”

A good one ought to be able to. Life is game.

“It’s amazing to me, that in realizing the problem, one can also shut out the possibility of any solutions outside of what makes them comfortable.”

No discomfort, no gain. Pity it doesn’t rhyme.
With practice, the discomfort becomes a pleasure.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

kfg

” With practice, the discomfort becomes a pleasure.”

It would appear that this sentiment is becoming the new gospel.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Cave

Yeah. That reddit is some raw stuff.

I close it, then re-open the link. I can’t grasp what I’m reading there.

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

Oh, I grasp it.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@Rollo – That GIF tho’….There’s nothing that’s more pleasing than seeing a woman get thirsty…

Luxocrat
Luxocrat
6 years ago

Whoops! Posted in wrong thread.

And now the appeal for men to marry to “help the community/State”: https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/656571501857120256

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
6 years ago
Reply to  Luxocrat

Now now, you better “man up” and marry those Crow’s feet sluts. After all, it’s for the greater good. LOL

fleezer
fleezer
6 years ago

“Even a lot of the ones that turn to a hermit life of xbox and porn are still depressed and CRAVING the feeling of a girl legitimately liking them. Sometimes not even fucking them, just HOLDING HANDS and shit.” guys will have a tough time with pua if they can’t swallow trp. you’re talking about totally rewiring guys. that is a tall order. first they need to understand that girls won’t ever really like them because girls don’t really like anyone but themselves. they like the traits the guy has. wanting to be liked/loved for the person you are is… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Blaximus “I told him he could do the same thing if he would just TRY. I’m older than him, I’m greyer than him, and I have a wife and kids at home. He’s single, not older and grey, and he’s smart. But he would not even try. Even watching me, he believed that he could NEVER do those things.” Welcome to knowing me circa my pre-PUA days, and most guys who get into pickup, before they get into it and baby step their way into success. Most of us don’t think we can do it. It’s fucking magical. You believe… Read more »

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kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@Blaximus & Caveclown: Yeah man….I’ve just gone through some of the reddit stuff…Wow! Fuck, fuck, fuck!!!! Rollo, I think this is especially why your series on red pill parenting is NECESSARY, IMPERATIVE, INEXORABLE & DE RIGEUR especially for boys…for us and our sons, & brothers!!! Over the last half century, the FI, through strong propaganda, education, etc has broken the structures that aid in raising men who at the very least do not doubt their masculinity. Now, due to raising men in an egalitarian way, to see things through the FI myopic dystopia, we have many soldiers out there who… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Blaximus: “It would appear that this sentiment is becoming the new gospel.”

Is it? It’s simply my experience, as well as that of many others.

A Definite Beta Guy
6 years ago

YaReally, Men deal with “imaginary rules” all the time. Are you familiar at all with a little something called “History”? You might find a great deal of men preoccupied with imaginary rules, and even imaginary debates such as the number of angels dancing on a pinhead. The male mind concerns itself greatly with “what ought” in addition to “what is.” These two are intertwined in human evolution and are not divorceable, particularly for a social species, particularly when “what ought” so greatly affects “what is.” You are pathologizing this mindset along with a great deal else of rational male behavior:… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

ADBG- I’ve never considered myself a PUA proponent, but I can see no argument against most of what YaReally’s been saying here. It seems you are exaggerating what his position actually is. If a man has a mindset that is giving him negative results ( consistently ), then what would you call that if not a ” negative mindset “? ” The male mind concerns itself greatly with “what ought” in addition to “what is.” These two are intertwined in human evolution and are not divorceable, particularly for a social species, particularly when “what ought” so greatly affects “what is.””… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

… that are fundamentally no different from any third wave feminist.
Fundamentally, the only difference …

that failed, the pretend quotes from him were weak, and total silly was:

Are you familiar at all with a little something called “History”

continue with the “push-back”

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
6 years ago

This thread is getting old, so this may not be seen, but just in case it does…

Words simply fail me.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/living/mens-movement-kevin-powell-feat/index.html?sr=fbCNN102015mens-movement-kevin-powell-feat1031PMStoryLink&linkId=18107556

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Aw FUCK Kevin Powell. He’s a washed up has-been looking for attention. IDGAF about him or his opinions, and neither should anyone else.

Selling out, he likes that shit.

At least he’ll get some interviews and face time on CNN now.

Any man who directs other men to be more vulnerable can eat a steaming hot bowl of dicks.

gregg
gregg
6 years ago

@yareally Looks vs Game. WE can see what results can be achieved by both – for example Paul Janka. His whole “GAME” consists of walking in the street and askng pretty chicks in clear terms if they want to fuck him. Short, clear, to the point. Without any preselection, social proof, anything. His only value is his looks. He fucked how many of them? 200, 300…I do not know. We are talkinh about different leagues here when you compare guys with looks with guys with game and without looks. When you HAVE looks, good loooks, WOMEN pursue you. You are… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@gregg everyone seems to misunderstand YaReally on this point. He’s not saying looks don’t work; in fact, he stresses that they can work just fine practically every other comment. He’s stressing that it’s not a good plan to bank on them; as you experienced, they can fade with time, and then without game you’re left high and dry. Didn´t need anything just the willingness to go out, be near girls and TAKE/FUCK those that pursued me. Surely you see how much game that all includes? A lot of guys don’t have a fucking clue what to do even if a… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“I’m in love. This is the one, I just know it. I confess…it’s me.” @Cave Welcome to Team Awesome brother. “You will only continue to get increasing push-back the more you describe all alternative mindsets as “negative” and attempt to psychoanalyze as them engaging in some sort of masochistic self-punishment cycle.” This dude has his own blog and people are calling me a n00b? “To us this is simply amusing because you imagine you will gain some tremendous following when you clearly have no idea what moves men souls” @ADBG Speak for yourself man. @yaReally has single-handedly helped me to… Read more »

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

fleezer,

“yareally is giving away the keys to the kingdom and all people can do is whine and complain. he’ll fucking go through FRs with dudes for free and they still complain. what the fuck?”

Amazing. And then they want to argue about some silly detail….

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

they’re saying “I need to get fucked, my hubby just doesn’t do it” “I know babe don’t worry about it getting a sugar daddy on the side was the best thing I ever did for my marriage you go grrrl”. Like, they’ll often drop the whole “lying about it” thing with their super close girlfriends. So how is their covert lying men’s fault? Well if we accept that to their BFFs they’ll be blatantly red pill honest, then we have to accept that they’re not INCAPABLE of being honest, it’s just that with their BFF cirumstances are such that they’re… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

As that is the only paragraph in that link that refers to men as clowns, I repeat my claim that that is Roosh’s assessment of himself and game-practiced men. That is not what he thinks women feel of the men who do these things.

Read the two paragraphs preceding that. He says it specifically that game-practiced men act like that because they’s the behavior that women positively respond to, which they do because they only view men as life accessories, completely optional sources of entertainment, amusement and distraction, akin to glittery skirts, soap opera writers and clowns.

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

As that is the only paragraph in that link that refers to men as clowns, I repeat my claim that that is Roosh’s assessment of himself and game-practiced men. That is not what he thinks women feel of the men who do these things.

Read the two paragraphs preceding that. He says it specifically that game-practiced men act like that because they’s the behavior that women positively respond to, which they do because they only view men as life accessories, completely optional sources of entertainment, amusement and distraction, akin to glittery skirts, soap opera writers and clowns.

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

I was the same when I found Heartiste, and YaReally. I thought I was just reading a bunch of “asshole tactics used by pick-up artists to bang unworthy sluts.” Cool story, except that’s not what I’m reading. What I’m reading are increasingly shrill exhortations directed at average betas by PUA promoters, encouragements to pretty much re-order their lives and invest their energy to play a game that has constantly diminishing returns due to the drop in average female quality, a game that is becoming increasingly harder due to various social factors like the popularity of smartphones among women, devices that… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

I was the same when I found Heartiste, and YaReally. I thought I was just reading a bunch of “asshole tactics used by pick-up artists to bang unworthy sluts.” Cool story, except that’s not what I’m reading. What I’m reading are increasingly shrill exhortations directed at average betas by PUA promoters, encouragements to pretty much re-order their lives and invest their energy to play a game that has constantly diminishing returns due to the drop in average female quality, a game that is becoming increasingly harder due to various social factors like the popularity of smartphones among women, devices that… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

Yep.

What’re you gonna do about it?

I’m pretty sure the minimum we can do is not lending further legitimacy to the overarching idea that got society in the current mess in the first place, namely that men, especially young men, cause all problems on a social and individual level as well. Opposing this ideology while accepting its central tenet is pure nonsense.

Roosh is a marketeer, not a visionary.

Marketeers can’t afford to be depressing and negative, can they?

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

My social circle consists mostly of relatively Beta guys that do not have the capacity or wherewithal to invest their weekday nights in sarging and do not have an interest sleeping on blow-up mattresses in people’s closets. If that’s the price of Good Game, the price is too high, and if Good Game has become a requirement for decent treatment from women, then women have too much social, economic, and political power. You are suggesting to my Beta comrades that they simply have negative mindsets that women treat them like disposable shit. The price is actually even higher, at least… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

I highly doubt PUA can help those poor guys from YaReally’s post. I mean, you have to have hope and the will to improve before anything can start to work. And as HH pointed out above, those guys need to learn basic social skills before they have any hope of improving. They are probably going to try, fail spectacularly, and be worse off in the long run. Their issue isn’t a lack of knowledge about women, its a lack of knowledge about life in general. I honestly don’t have much advice for them. If PUA can help they should fucking… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

Exactly what are you talking about? Who said this? I was talking about introverts, I made no mention of anything pathological. Your words: These are men who stick to themselves, burned and/or conditioned to keep to themselves to the point that they now self-condition themselves into isolation. Most of the time, introverts disqualify a conversation with someone before it has ever begun. Worse, when they make attempts to be social, and find failure, they’ll often blame everything but themselves. Worse, these same men have self-convinced that every tiny failure is worth quitting over. These are antisocial pathologies that you accuse… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

That’s the final, fatal flaw of MGTOW, imo. MGTOW offers nothing to the ladies as a new standard of behavior, it simply says, “No, I won’t interact with you.”

So MGTOW is flawed because it doesn’t benefit women?

YaReally
6 years ago

@Forge the Sky “He’s not saying looks don’t work; in fact, he stresses that they can work just fine practically every other comment. He’s stressing that it’s not a good plan to bank on them” The reason I stress it in practically every other comment is because I know even DOING THAT, nobody will read it and will still blindly miss my point because it’s such a personal hot-button issue to guys that they’re so emotionally invested in that the SECOND they read “looks don’t matter” they go haywire like a bull surrounded by red flags and it’s like “WELL… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

This thread is getting old, so this may not be seen, but just in case it does…

Words simply fail me.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/living/mens-movement-kevin-powell-feat/index.html?sr=fbCNN102015mens-movement-kevin-powell-feat1031PMStoryLink&linkId=18107556

Lol, what a fucking shithead. On the other hand, completely predictable nonsense. Stuff like this is why the only reason I occiasionally watch mainstream TV and read mainstream news sites is to amuse myself by taking another look at the pile of shit this culture has become.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  hoellenhund2

@Rollo Tommasi “real change takes time and investment. Forever Alones of any stripe generally lack the social intelligence and the mental maturity to put in the kind of effort necessary to change their lives.” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1V6pe2GFFsc Working on change learning new tactics to change others. http://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G3L1C2K/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1445447094&sr=8-1 Men holding each other accountable is priceless. “but good Game isn’t about numbers, it’s about consistency.” I’m consistent in being uncomfortable. Growing in the darkness… Breaking through with light. @DragonFly “It’s amazing to me, that in realizing the problem, one can also shut out the possibility of any solutions outside of what makes them comfortable.”… Read more »

Dragonfly
6 years ago

@Rugby… I was reflecting on IB’s ability to see there’s a problem, but her inability to entertain any solution that would be uncomfortable for her to admit would work. But I get what you’re saying…

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Cave Clown http://therationalmale.com/2015/10/14/red-pill-parenting-part-ii/comment-page-5/#comment-123589 Those are all elements of Game, except looks. You can change your clothing, so that’s Game. I go to non-country places wearing boots and jeans, because it works for me. Boots are great for dancing and jeans always work. It’s also peacocking and that is Game, too. You can AMOG anybody, even ripped body builders. Me: “Awesome body, but you have to wonder…” She: “What?” Me: “Is he compensating for insecurity?” Me: “Is he compensating for a lack of confidence?” Me: “Does he play on an all boys’ team?” Me: “Is he a switch hitter?” You… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Rollo on DeadBedrooms Fool me once, your fault. Fool me twice, my fault. And ironically most of the men in the DB forum still adamantly reject Red Pill truths. Yeah, it’s the old “is” vs. “ought”. She “ought” to be willing to give enthused pornstar quality action to a man who has been seriously betaized, because he’s still willing to try to sex her up even if she’s put on the pounds. Because equalitarian / sameness, most likely. A lot of men don’t want to give up the equalitarian myth, maybe because it has been drilled into them from a… Read more »

Luxocrat
Luxocrat
6 years ago

@Blaximus I say fvck Kevin Powell, too, based on knowing him from Queens College days up until now. He’s always been a pen hustler and whatever gets him the most notice he’ll write about. Might explain his failed political run: not enough true face time to pull that one off.

Matt
Matt
5 years ago

Halfway through reading this I was thinking about my kids, and how they will (and already do) view their stay at home mother, in contrast to how they’ll view me. I was angry, kind of sad, but mostly angry. Then I felt guilt. I felt guilty for never acknowledging my own father’s sacrifice for me and my brothers and Mom. In fact until I had kids, I always did almost the opposite. So I texted him and thanked him and let him know I understand now. So thank you.. I needed to acknowledge his hard work and sacrifice, but I… Read more »

Brian Jinks
Brian Jinks
5 years ago

@Rollo I really appreciate this post its opened my eyes to a lot. I have an odd situation. I’m a 26 year old father to a 7 year old boy, a college student majoring in audiology with a minor in music theory. I’ve maintained the same full time job for 7 years and I’d like to think I have a pretty good head on my shoulders. My sons mother is the same age, a stay at home mom, hasn’t been officially “employed” since our son was a year old, no college education (no diploma but a GED) & still lives… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian Jinks

@Brian Jinks “Any advice on how to not be affected by her actions? I’m pretty stern but when it comes to my child there’s a vulnerability that surfaces.” How often do you see your child Brian anyway you could spend time with him and create a sense of dread for your wife? Or create a male place for you and some buddies? Have you heard of The way of men by Jack Donavan? I play rugby to expose all the worst parts of myself an attempt to mold new better ways on dealing with uncomfortable situations. I don’t know yet… Read more »

Brian Jinks
Brian Jinks
5 years ago

@rugby11ljh we aren’t married. We were two young sex driven kids that slipped up at the age of 18. I have my son every other weekend so twice a month. Summer and holidays I have him more because he’s in school. I have him every other weekend because her new boyfriend has kids of his own and my son spends time with them when I don’t have him. But for some reason it’s a problem & I don’t do enough? It’s confusing & frustrating. I have a copy of rational male just started reading.

Roused
Roused
5 years ago

@Brian, Yo are lucky your kids are young. The older they get the less positive influence you can exert with children. It’s VERY difficult once they hit their teens. @SJF and others suggested to me reading The Way of Men by Jack Donovan. I am halfway through it, highly suggested and good reading. @SJF has sent me some nuggets that I copied into my journal notes which I refer to now and then when it’s needed. I’ve also gone back to some Rollo’s early blog posts to get more foundational info. DAMN GOOD STUFF! Find Rollo’s post from two weeks… Read more »

Brian Jinks
Brian Jinks
5 years ago

@Roused thanks I’ll be sure to search the book & read more post. I’ve just recently discovered the red pill a few months back I suppose now is the digesting process

ella
ella
5 years ago

A whole lot of whinging and are you on the drugs? There is no feminine conspiracy and if my father had been more around and kinder/beta when I was younger I would be better adjusted and more sane! I’d probably date more/better. You are so divorced from reality and enjoy your self pity.

MT
MT
5 years ago

I am a mother to 4 boys, soon to be 5. This was very informative, thank you. I have always encouraged “guy time” between my husband and boys. Your writing only affirms my position.

Knot
5 years ago

Rollo, good posts. Like many Beta males, late to the party and deciding what to do next. Could default to Game – will have to learn Game; yet, at my age Amused Mastery might be a good, safe place to begin. Could join men going their own way. Having gone through fatherhood, divorce and the workplace, I’m leery of women and children. It seems like women and children have been “weaponized” like potential mines waiting to go off. Just an accusation from a woman or child can make a man’s life miserable. You seem to deal with the threat with… Read more »

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rugby11
4 years ago

Lead the emotion
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rW4aaREf-NU

October
October
3 years ago

This is some cult-like shit. You men who define yourselves by your perceived “masculinity” are just as bad as those crazy women who “embrace femininity” and paint with period blood and shit. Two sides, same exact damn coin. Instead of indoctrinating your kid to be stereotypically masculine or feminine, how about you just, I don’t know, allow them to grow into a personality themselves? If you don’t want “the village” raising your kid, fine, make it clear from an early age how important it is to be an individual rather than following the trends of the culture. But you don’t… Read more »

Someone Quiet
Someone Quiet
1 year ago

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of red pill truth and the first of your articles I’ve read, but so far it sounds like you believe that in a relationship one person must be dominant over the other. I figure that you probably grew up in such a household and that dom-sub relationship affected you much in the way you describe in the article. I’ve found that such is not true, and that the relationship between equals is the hardest relationship to maintain, but also the most rewarding, depending on your value system. And value system is… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 year ago
Reply to  Someone Quiet

“But really, my biggest concern here is associating traits.” Fortunately the Red Pill is not about associating trivial, fluid traits of social construct, but rather about traits of inherent psychology to the organism. Like beavers reacting to the sound of running water. ” . . . a few centuries ago pink would denote male and blue for female . . .” That change actually happened within the last century. It also used to be men associated with carrying purses. It is also natural to associate long hair with health, the associated strength and even virility, because, well, ya know, it… Read more »

stuffinbox
1 year ago
Reply to  Someone Quiet

Someone Quiet, You seem to be well educated and worth some consideration. How did you come to find Rollo’s body of work? “Personally, I’m a true believer in equality. People should be judged on merit, not on whether they’ve dangling bits or not.” The concept of equality is an ideal that looks like the road to peace and happiness with little to no effort. Sort of a why can’t we all be friends ideal. This has never occurred at any time in recorded history although it is alluded to. In reality it is the single most destructive ideal to family… Read more »

Pamasailor
Pamasailor
1 year ago

@Someone Quiet

“those that do are just as capable of mastering combat as men”

I very much doubt it. We’re not the same. They don’t have the testosterone, and have a different attitude to risk which is hardwired.

I’m sure a medic will chime in and give us the figures… Shame @ SJF isn’t around when we we need him.

kfg
kfg
1 year ago
Reply to  Pamasailor

“They don’t have the testosterone, and have a different attitude to risk which is hardwired.” Before we even get in to that, pound for pound and at equal fitness levels, men are innately stronger than women. Not by social construct, innately, by metabolic function (although testosterone is an agent in this). Men are also mechanically advantaged in running, because their pelvis and hips don’t have to be advantaged for giving live birth, so they aren’t. I’ll note that what disadvantages women in strength advantages them in ocean swimming and that the greatest ocean swimmer of all time was a woman.… Read more »

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