Solipsism II

solipsism_II

A comment from Truman gets us started today:

Rollo, it would be great if you could provide some evidence for female solipsism beyond a few examples. From my own experience I could name a few solipsistic women, but I could do the same for men as well, and I’m far from convinced that the trait is universal in women, or even that it’s more prevalent in women than in men.

I will admit that the main reason I split this post into two was because I anticipated this example-seeking. And to their credit my more vocal female commenters didn’t disappoint me with (sometimes over the top) illustrations. If you haven’t had enough of the hamster spinning goodness yet feel free to sift through the comment thread from part one.

However, to begin to work out Truman’s request Voverk from the TRP forum had this example:

One of the most eye opening of the solipsistic world of females was when a plate of mine was giving me directions on where to pick her up. It went something like this:

Her: “When you come to that traffic light, turn over to me.”

Me: “What do you mean?”

Her: “Just turn here towards me.”

Me: “How the hell am I supposed to know which way is that? Left or right?”

Her: “I don’t know. Just turn my way”

She eventually gave directions, but it amazed me how hard it is for a woman to put herself in someone else’s shoes, even if she wants to.

Women’s mental point of origin (solipsism) presumes the entire world outside of her agrees with her imperative and mutually shares the importance and priorities of it.

Just like The Red Pill Lens, it takes a sensitivity to it, but you will begin to notice instances of that solipsism all around you if you pay attention. An equalists, feminine-primary upbringing and acculturation predisposes men to accept the manifestations of this solipsism as ‘normal’, so we blow it off or nod in agreement without really considering it. Most plugged-in Blue Pill men simply view this as a standard operating condition for women to such a degree that this solipsistic nature is pushed to the peripheries of their awareness.

It’s just how women are and women are more than happy to have men accept their solipsism as intrinsic to their nature. It’s excusable in the same sense that women hold a “woman’s prerogative” – she always reserves the right to change her mind. When your default is to accept this social imperative any greater inconsistencies fall into line behind it.

We are conditioned to accept that what best benefits women’s sexual strategy is necessarily what benefits men. On both a social and personal level women’s solipsistic importance presumes, by default, that what best serves themselves automatically best serves men – even when they refuse to acknowledge it. Remember, nothing outside the female existential imperative has any more significance than an individual women will allow it. So, perceptually to women, if a man suits a purpose in her self-primary requirements he must also mutually share in that awareness of his purpose. Thus, she maintains that his imperatives are the same as her own.

Societal Reinforcement

Social reinforcement of women’s solipsistic nature is a self-perpetuating cycle. A feminine-primary social order reflects in itself, and then sustains, female solipsism. For most Red Pill aware men this cycle is apparent in women’s overblown self-entitlements, but there’s far more to it than this.

When men accept and reinforce this socially, we feed and confirm women’s solipsistic natures. When men are steeped in a Blue Pill acceptance of what they believe should be men’s condition, and defend (or ’empower’) women’s solipsistic behaviors or manifestations of it, thats when the cycle of affirmation of this solipsism comes full circle.

Recently I called commenter InsanityBytes to the carpet about her first priority being to defend the Sisterhood when Dalrock published a post critical of a woman’s abortions and another who’d joined Ashley Madison then rationalized it away because she was in a loveless marriage with a man who was in his last days.

This is another instance of solipsism; that a woman’s first directive is to defend her sex’s imperatives even above considerations of religious conviction, marriage vows or espoused personal ideology. That’s the depth and breadth of feminine solipsism, and again, this reinforces a cycle of affirming it in women.

Communication

One of the easiest ways to identify women’s solipsistic nature is manifested in their communication style, and as fate would have it I received a fresh comment from a new female commenter on my interview with Niko Choski. I wont bore you with the histrionics of most of it, but her ending comments serve a purpose here:

I’m not lonely, I enjoy solitude…
I am a whole person who needs no other for my own completion.No man, no woman. The qualities identified by different cultures as male and female…are all mine.
Your obsession with division….iis absurd.

I’ve dug into women’s communication styles on more occasions than I can account on this blog, and with regard to how women defer to their solipsistic nature there is no better way to identify it than in the priorities they give to communicating with men and other women.

From Duplicity:

It’s endlessly entertaining (and predictable) to see how often women’s (and feminized men’s) default response to anything they disagree with in regards to gender dynamics is met with a personalization to the contrary. It’s always the “not-in-my-case” story about how their personal anecdotal, exceptional experience categorically proves a universal opposite. By order of degrees, women have a natural tendency for solipsism – any dynamic is interpreted in terms of how it applies to themselves first, and then the greater whole of humanity.

Men tend to draw upon the larger, rational, more empirical meta-observations whether they agree or not, but a woman will almost universally rely upon her isolated personal experience and cling to it as gospel. If it’s true for her, it’s true for everyone, and experience and data that contradict her self-estimations? Those have no bearing because ‘she’s’ not like that.

This personalization is the first order of any argument proffered by women just coming into an awareness of long standing conversations and discussion in the manosphere. It is so predictable it’s now cliché, and each woman’s first retort invariably responds with personalized anecdotes they think trumps any objective, observable evidence to the contrary.

It might be entertaining for Red Pill men to count the instances of personalization in a woman’s rebuttal comment, but it’s not about how many “I”s or “me”s a woman brings to any counterargument – it’s that her first inclination for a counterargument is to use her personal experience and expect it to be accepted as a valid, universal truth by whomever she is presenting it to.

I’s, Me’s and Myself’s are simply the vehicle and manifestation of women’s first directive – a solipsistic mental point of origin; any challenge to that self-importance is invalidated by her personal self-primacy. This mental origin is so automatic and ingrained to such a limbic degree that consideration of it is never an afterthought for her.

This is common to feminine communication preferences (and men who’ve been conditioned to opt into a feminine-primary communication mode). Women focus primarily on the context of the communication (how it makes them feel while communicating), while men focus primarily on the content (the importance of the information being communicated). This isn’t to exclude men from using personal experiences to help illustrate a point, but the intent comes from a different motive. That motive is an attempt to better understand the content and information of that issue, not an exercise in self-affirmation that feminine solipsism requires to preserve a woman’s ego-investments (usually her solipsistic mental point of origin).

The most visible manifestation of women’s rudimentary solipsism is the priority with which they expect their personal, existential, experience to be considered the most valid, legitimate and universal truth apparent in any debate.

Middle of the Story Syndrome

One thing I’ve been frustrated with by virtually every woman I’ve ever known in my life is their tendency to begin a conversation in the middle of a story; all the while expecting men to understand every nuance and be familiar with minute ‘feely’ detail that made up the backstory that’s never forthcoming.

I swear, every woman I’ve known has done this with me at some time. The presumption is that their story is of such importance that bothering with any pretext, or outlining and describing the events and information that led up to that mid-way vitally important element that made them feel a certain way is all that  should matter to a listener.

Women have an uncanny way of accepting this when they relate stories among themselves; gleaning incidental details of the backstory as the teller goes on.

There’s an ironic feminine-operative social convention that complains that “men aren’t good listeners” or “men don’t listen” to what women are telling them. This convention is really another manifestation of a solipsistic mindset with regard to communication.

It isn’t that men don’t listen, it’s that our communication styles focus on content information, not the contextual ‘feel’ of what’s being communicated by women. Women, above all else, hate to repeat themselves. Not because of the inconvenience, but because men ‘not listening’ and requiring a repetition of that information conflicts with her own self-primary solipsism.

The want for a ‘good listener’ is really the want for a man who affirms her self-priority by not needing to be told something that confirms that priority more than once. And this confirmation should never require explanation or and understanding of the backstory of events that made it feel important to her.

Women have an inherent pretext in communication that always begins with themselves. In fact, most are so sure of their solipsistic, personal truth that glaring objectivity never enters their minds; at least not initially. As I mentioned in the first installment, women are entirely capable of applying reason, rationality and pragmatism as well as men, it’s just that this isn’t their first mental order when confronted with a need for it. Just as a girl can be taught to throw an object as well as it comes naturally to a boy, a reasoned transcendence above her solipsism, one that considers the individuated existences of others’ experiences takes a learned effort.

Ladies First

Luxocrat had a great illustration as well:

I asked my ex that last month, if her kids came first or if I did. She paused and said “I really don’t know. That’s a hard one.” I replied “Then it’s your kids.” I recall my ex-wife reading one of those save your marriage books right after I made it clear I was leaving. She read me a line in it and said she sees how she was wrong. The line went something like this: “If you want to have a strong marriage, you need to understand your husband comes first, even before your children. They must be taught by you, their mother, that he is head of the household and respect must be given. The only way they’ll see that is by your demostrating by your actions that this is so.”

I still left though.

The irony in this instance is that for all of the humble deference this seemingly good advice promotes, it still presumes a woman is already the primary source of authority who ‘allows’ her husband to be “the man”. I’ve heard similar advice espoused by evangelical pastors making Pollyanna attempts at ‘granting headship’ to husbands and fathers from their reluctant wives. The inherent flaw is that these men already begin from a perspective that women are in a position of unquestioned primacy and require their permission to be ‘men’.

In a way they are unwittingly acknowledging women’s solipsism (and perpetuating the cycle) as a default source of authority. That a woman would need to be taught to defer authority to her husband belies two things; first, her solipsistic mental point of origin and second, that her man isn’t a man who inspires that deference.

It’s easy to see how a Beta man wouldn’t be someone that would naturally prompt a woman to go against her natural solipsism, but in Luxocrats position (I presume Alpha since he walked) there is a conflict women have to confront in themselves.

In a social order that reinforces the entitlements presumed by women’s solipsism there develops an internal conflict between the need for an optimized Hypergamy and the ego-investments a woman’s solipsism demands to preserve it. As a woman progresses towards the Wall and a lessened capacity to optimize both sides (AF/BB) of Hypergamy this conflict comes to a head. The necessities of long term provisioning war with the self-importance of solipsism at the risk of her losing out on preserving both (and having a guy like Luxocrat simply walk away from her).

 

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Andy
Andy
5 years ago

My daughter just got married (I wasn’t invited)

Ugh. That’s rough.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ scribbler

We have daughter issues in common.

I’ve been separated, but not divorced. Daughters have bought into the “Dad was abusive” meme. I was Blue Pill and didn’t know how to fight Shame and Reframe.

Was ignoring one daughter and she contacted me all friendly after over a year of no contact. “You were right about a lot of things” blah blah blah.

Am still ignoring other 2nd stage feminist churchian daughter.

Marriage is better than ever, lol. My feminist daughter hates it and my wife loves it.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@lh she felt comfortable enough with you to let out some of her stress. All girls do this when they have stress/anxiety. BPD’s much more so than others, since extreme stress and anxiety are a way of life for them. I saw ol’ oneitis once, after she was dating another guy. Was doing some therapy on her. Her relationship was confusing her, and she was running all over the place preparing for a trip, so she had all sorts of background worries. She was anxious and a worrier. After we had settled into each other’s presence, she was looking away… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

I should add, I have no doubt you’re having a great impact on her moods. But remember, you can’t fix BPD. She blows off some stress and feels better, but tomorrow she’ll create more. It’s internally generated. You can create healthier release mechanisms, but you can’t fix the generation mechanism.

Nothing you don’t know, but I’ve been there, rationalized that 😉

longgone
longgone
5 years ago

theasdgamer, rugby,

I discovered that there is a fairly popular dance venue, w/WCS lessons in my town, but in a shitty area. However there’s also a dance club at a hall not far from my work, with lessons in ECS. Maybe I’ll see if I’ve got the aptitude for it, with minimum embarrassment.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
5 years ago
Reply to  longgone

@Longgone “However there’s also a dance club at a hall not far from my work, with lessons in ECS. Maybe I’ll see if I’ve got the aptitude for it, with minimum embarrassment.” http://www.swingdancecouncil.com/ Don’t think of embarrassment. It’s like Game you work at it and make mistakes. You remove the buffers and accept what’s their this guy puts on a ton of dances In my area you can view some of the YouTube videos to get some ideals. https://m.youtube.com/user/davemoldover? What helps me is learning about ways to ask really good dancers to dance. It’s a way to get rid of… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Let’s ask the late Frank Zappa how much men care about women’s educational achievements, or about other oh so important aspects of grrlpower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5IZobXdJyE

I’ll ignore your cheap aroma

And your little-bo-peep diploma

I’ll just put you in a coma

With some dirty love…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Rollo
Wow, it’s amazing how clueless IB’s commenters are about her participation here. She actively deletes anything that will give her bullshit away to them:

Golly, just like $usan Wal$h, who could have seen that coming?

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Insanitybytes “If you cared one bit about any of these men, you would speak the truth to them, not work so hard to try to tell them what you think they want to hear. Are you truly that ignorant as to the nature of your own self or do you do it on purpose?” This is what Insanitybytes really meant : “are you truly that ignorant as to the NATURE of women “. 1,the Attic comment. 2,her admittance of the no tingle nice guy (just look at the nerd photos of her male commentators). 3,her wanting dominant men. 4,who needs… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Rollo, “Wow, it’s amazing how clueless IB’s commenters are about her participation here. ”

What’s more shocking is :

SHE doesn’t care(she knows how stupid her commentators are), either she is too stupid or she IS Mr. Hyde.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

Cruel, coldly methodical perhaps, but that is what life is outside of faith.

I wonder how praying for tingles is working out for her.

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

From Insanity’s blog (linked by Rollo above) – “The cultians need to toss out the older women before the fog of estrogen leaves us and we stop loving ugly dogs and bad men. Or perhaps that’s ugly men and bad dogs? Whatever. Anyway, that biological bubble of bliss that helps to make women so young and foolish, definitely dissipates as one grows older and wiser.” I now understand why witches tend to be old women, and why they were once burned. I do believe Insanity’s notions pose an existential threat men generally, she’s a lesbian affair away from being full… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@SJF – Thanks buddy. Yeah, I’m getting clarity these days. It’s nowhere near perfect or 100% consistent but in general I’m happier, more energized and purposeful than I’ve been in a while. Most of all? Less angry and hurt, which is just so huge. It’s more like that with the anger and hurt removed or subsided, my natural energy and love of life has re-emerged. Everyone notices it, everyone. Whenever I see people now the first thing they say is, “You look great, Glenn.” Not just the weight loss either. My entire demeanor is more relaxed and happy. You might… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

Bad feelz about proposed campus rape law that, get this, requires notification of law enforcement and due process protections: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/15/why-the-new-campus-rape-bill-is-awful.html “Kevin Kruger, the president of NASPA (Student Affairs Professionals in Higher Education), said requiring alleged victims to report a sexual assault would create a ‘chilling effect’ for thousands of women, the majority of whom already don’t report their sexual assault to anyone. ‘We strongly believe that victims should have the rights to pursue the course of action that’s right for them,’ Kruger told The Daily Beast. ‘They want and need support.'” Above offered as proof that “rape culture” has nothing… Read more »

lh
lh
5 years ago

Thanks Forge and SJF.

Rollo? Have you ever thought about some “recent comments” widget?

lh
lh
5 years ago

“I wonder how praying for tingles is working out for her.”

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Rollo – This is getting ridiculous with IB. I went over to her blog to see what you were talking about. For fuck’s sake, the denigration and bullshit over there makes what she does here seem like a Sunday picnic.

Fucking get rid of her. She adds zero value and if she isn’t the epitome of a troll, who is? She derails us every time – did you notice how nice this dialog was until she showed up?

Euphemistically, flush her down the toilet. Enough is enough already.

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

@IB….”What has me so entertained is that you seem to believe I’m disagreeing with you”

“I’m so entertained by my inability to understand what I accused you to misunderstand about I thought you disagreed with my perceived thoughts about myself concerning what I think about you thinking about me and what I think about you disagreed with about what I want to accuse you of not knowing about yourself concerning what I want you to think about me.”

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Fucking get rid of her. ”

This isn’t her first rodeo. She’s already been banned at Dalrock and Vox Day’s sites. Some of us have already been dealing with her for years, which is why I reacted as I did when she showed up here. She had already used up her minimum default respect.

Seraph
5 years ago

“Fucking get rid of her. She adds zero value and if she isn’t the epitome of a troll, who is? She derails us every time – did you notice how nice this dialog was until she showed up?” She can be disruptive, but I also noticed how the conversation continues when she wanders away after being slapped down. Kind of like telling the kids to keep it down so the adults can talk. To be fair, I don’t think she has zero value. As I said before, she neatly and effectively illustrates a lot of what we talk about here.… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ longgone

There should be some dance meetups in some close urban area. Check out meetup.com. Also, join dance groups on facebook.

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

IB – Get rid of her?

Isn’t it hilarious when women attempt to think rationally and reason with men. The best they can do is exactly what you see IB doing. They get started with some distorted ridiculously over simplified self perception of external realities and start spinning their web. Pretty soon they’ve spun themselves into such a frizzy they become insane with irrationality tangled in their own yarns them blame reality for being wrong.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Seraph – There will always be negative powers of example for us to use to show guys here what’s what. But this cunt IB is a cancer and thrives off the attention she gets from us. She dining out on her blog on what goes on over here, and frankly, it fucking pisses me off. Enough of her shitting on us non-stop, I’ve had it. Today, half smart white bitches from hell have free run of the entire world, and I’m merely suggesting we not put up with it here. Did you go to her blog and see what she’s… Read more »

Omar
Omar
5 years ago

@Fleezer: Fleezer is definitely onto something which is worthy of consideration. I have seen women (young and hot) respect and admire men who are unaccomplised and essentially unrespectable. I understand the burden of performance, but again, women appraise different traits in a man at different stages in her life. I’m reminded by this image: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ct0sXM2tkM0/VQE9rXFavpI/AAAAAAAAAKo/1HNYHvrZtWQ/s1600/Cartoon14.jpg When she is young, care free, and at her prime in hotness, she doesn’t really give a fuck about how you well you perform (to an extent). You simply have to look good and not be some social retard. And if you think not being… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Keep Insanitybytes.
She represents the true anatomy of women.
If Insanity didn’t exist I would’ve manufactured her.

Ps,
Kids, this is what women are like.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

On the next Men on demand conference, you should pay her to come on stage to show the students the true nature of women.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

… 5% of all the women I’ve met in my life should seek psychiatric help.

Just sayin’.

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

@Scribbleberg: “It’s actually much worse than we think. Consider this from a game theory perspective. The “opponents” have different strategies. Men are making choices based on merit/utility but women are making decisions based on what benefits individual women and women as a group. They will be able to win more contests by always optimizing that way. We will get a sample across sexes, they will skew their sample to their advantage by ignoring merit. ” I stumbled upon this: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsy6vp_sex-lies-and-rinsing-guys_shortfilms The F.I. is all dogs bollocks about open hypergamy…betas in the UK, (and everywhere else) suffering from the scarcity mentality… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

Omar, Cheating. Yeah, she probably already has. Thought long and hard about it she has at the very least. I know this because she told me. Oh, and there is a guy from her old work that got embarrassed when I rudely introduced myself to him a few days ago, because she actively avoided introducing us. So yeah. Would explain a lot. He seems beta as fuck though…and got her name wrong. She was very eager to correct him on his “error” FML She’s so awkward socially and introverted though, that maybe not. She’s very unapproachable and not just to… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
5 years ago
Reply to  CaveClown

@Omar “You simply have to look good and not be some social retard. And if you think not being a social retard is a performance, then you don’t quite get just what a normal, socially adjusted human is.” On point when Rollo brings up performance I am reminded how much I don’t really understand because I have a lot social skills to develop I’m far behind at 27. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkCE8XNm4k0 At dances I usually meet red pill lens truths but the way I carry myself requires much improvement. My situational awareness could use a lot of work. Forgiving myself and moving… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

Also, the smell of her pussy has changed recently. Either strange dick or not taking BC pills…or both.

Or maybe nothing.

Whatever.

I once was blind, but now I see.

I’ll be honest though. Deep, deep dark depression right now. Holy fuck.

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

@Keyser: “I agree.
Feminists are women who hates the biological fact of NEEDING To be dominated.”

Boom!

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago

IB doesn’t represent true women, but she does represent the true woman that sane women would *never reveal* to the world. Her value here is in her utter lack of any sense of “men are not supposed to see behind the curtain” that most women instinctively realize when it comes to their motivations. Most women are smart enough to keep quiet and let the conversation die when it seems their motivations are about to be revealed. IB leaks them out intentionally and unintentionally like she’s an ex-pat spy on truth serum. http://www.askexmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Despair-Mistakes-Poster.png What is irritating is the open duplicity and… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

Omar – “And if you think not being a social retard is a performance, then you don’t quite get just what a normal, socially adjusted human is.”

And who is the judge of that? I’m gonna guess that if left to women to judge then “normal” only describes the top 20%.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

CaveClown, hang in there man. It’s a consistent pattern to fall into depression each time you realize more of what’s going on around you. And that shit is being shoved right into your eye sockets right now. It takes some time to make peace with all of it. In my experience, each time I fell into a strong depression because of what I was seeing (a girl I loved idealistically pushing me away and taking other men in front of my eyes), I eventually fought my way out of it and found myself inured to what I had suffered from… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Rollo, This is what every woman believe in, it is the first part of Insanity’s comment. The first part, ” you either make yourself useful to some woman or she’ll up grade to a better model “. Insanity is telling the truth and agreeing with you.(she even said it) And this the 99% of women. The second part : “or simply off you and dispose of the body in her attic.” What is so crazy about the second part is, her brazen acknowledgement of the truth , men ARE disposal. Women don’t give a shit about men. Ps, I still… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

Thanks forge and rugby. “It’s really tough in your case. You live with her, you have kids together, and (you say) she never really desired you. Perhaps she didn’t, but I thought the same a lot of the time when I was going through my dark periods, and now with clearer eyes I see that she did. Somewhat. Not as much as she should have. But it wasn’t fake.” She’s a conundrum. On one hand she turns down many men in her youth and then I come steal her from her boyfriend and take her virginity. But then she shows… Read more »

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

IB: “Actually Tomassi, the men around here did those things because they respected themselves as men, because being gentleman was a way of setting themselves apart from others, it was a way of displaying their honor and integrity, acknowledging a sense of responsibility towards those smaller and weaker than them. It was never really about women at all, although we certainly benefited.”

http://img.memecdn.com/whos-laughing-not-me_fb_993284.jpg

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

@Scribbleberg: ” As I told a woman the other day, “If we were on a sinking boat, and there was only one seat left on the lifeboat and it were between you and me? I’d punch you in the face and throw you overboard and take your seat. I might even push a 7 year old over the side to take her seat.” She looked at me shocked and I asked her, “Why is my life worth any less than either of their’s?” I had this conversation with some chic like 2 weeks ago; there was a show on TV… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Rollo, take a look at this site which links feminism and socialism in the 18th century: https://www.marxists.org/subject/women/authors/rowbotham-sheila/hidden-history.htm “Like William Thompson the Owenites opposed the existing system of sexual morality with its different standard for men and women. With the Saint-Simonians they were against Christian marriage which they believed would have to be ended before the ‘New Moral World’ could come about. It was this emphasis on consciousness and cultural change before the coming of the new society which meant they stressed the significance of relations in the family and the rituals of old forms of personal life. Christian morality prevented… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Cave, Okay man, take several deeeeeepppp breaths. Stay with me brah, let’s break this shit down to a molecular level. Women are/can be sneaky. This is historically correct. This fact goes for all women, mine, yours, my Mom and my sisters…. It’s just a feature. I could say ” Cave, don’t be down and depressed”, but that’s like saying don’t be sleepy or hungry. You’re allowed to feel down. It’s your right. But what is also true is that you’re not allowed to STAY there. Every eyeball reading these comments has been downed by the fucked-up-ness of life sometimes.… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

“Also, the smell of her pussy has changed recently. Either strange dick or not taking BC pills…or both.”

If it starts smelling like fish, she is rawdogging two men. It can also come from douching, but no reason to do that if she isn’t rawdogging two men.

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

“Now, I want you to chew on something ( if you don’t want to chew on anything right now, that’s cool, but keep this in mind for when you feel like chewing on some shit )..”

Man, the only thing getting chewed on tonight is this cigar. (2002 Gran Habano)

Good shit right there.

Thanks for taking the time to write that long reply. You’re right man, you’re right.

Good job with the asian chick.

Know why a wife is like a grenade? Pull the ring and your house is gone! Boom!

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Blaximus – Epic. A tour de force. Wow, I want to fuck you now, lol… @Cave – My guess is you aren’t “depressed”. Depression is a pathology, a sickness and one gets down no matter what is going on. If you do have a history of clinical depression, then I would watch out for this and go see your doc so you don’t spiral but let’s assume this isn’t so. I bet you are angry. So angry it scares you. So angry you are afraid to let it out. I bet you are sad too. Watching your family disintegrate? All… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Scribblerg Lol. Know what? Women use us every day to hype up their egos and sense of self worth and desirability. That’s one thing I’ve taken from them that I’ve not been so keen to give back. Every so often I go for some validation from outside sources. I don’t have any immediate plans on fucking another chick that isn’t my wife, but I need to know I could if I wanted to. So I flirt. I push and probe. Then I stop. Some times I get called ” creepy ” because I’m direct as hell. Some times, I’m… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Kobayashi – I don’t know that I’d leave a sick lover. Depends on the nature of the relationship. If I was married, I wouldn’t. I would fuck other women though, but I’ll always be fucking other women so that’s nothing special.

But the point is that I don’t do chivalry. My life is more important than others. I’m not here to sacrifice myself for anyone. Not this country, and not some woman.

CaveClown
CaveClown
5 years ago

Scribblerg,

Wow man. Read my mind.

No, no clinical depression.

Angry, sad, and ashamed. Not depressed. You’re right.

I fully expect to lose at least 50% of time with my kids, a lot of my empire, most my wealth, and my family of origin with this divorce.

But mostly I am angry and sad for my kids. Their mom is fucking insane.

Your story pisses me off man. Parental alienation. Fuck that bitch. I’m sorry that happened man. Fucking shit pisses me off.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Blax – I learned about how women see men very well about a month ago. Glenn 3.0 is leaner, better looking, calmer and happier. It’s a notable change. I told the story of my sister’s b-day party and playing music there. She was so happy to show me off to her friends and to be proud of me. I was status for her. But don’t get it wrong, her affection was real and she was really loving to me that night. And has become increasingly so. This is just how it is. Women value men for status. Women are status… Read more »

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

@Scribbleberg – I hear you bruv. At that time I guess I was trying to show , rather reinforce, that It’s all about player #1…I may not leave, depends, as I’m not into conventional marriage…but I am going to have other women…used to be that guy that offered reassurance…not any more, even for the mother(s) of my children…I would only go so far, that security is saved for my kids.

And yes, no chivalry.

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

*Scribblerg (sorry bout that)

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ scribblerg, ” This is just how it is. Women value men for status. Women are status seeking creatures. Men don’t seek status, we seek power – two entirely different things. Perhaps we seek power so women can gain status through us – I don’t give a shit. I just know that being high value is better than being low value. Being powerful is better than being weak. Being courageous is better than being scare. Having integrity is better than being dishonest. Developing skills is better than fucking about. ” Amen. Spot on. Women are status seeking and I’m cool… Read more »

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

@Scribblerg: “I’ve been thinking that a huge part of the problem is that provisioning has become so much easier than just 200 years ago that many men who wouldn’t ever make it to that status back then are now making it to the point where they can provide, and they are sitting ducks for women.” Sad and true…can’t fault F.I. planning for their epiphany-post wall-wild oats project beta insurance policies. Which is why women are so brazen nowadays to expect gifts, money, resources…and offer ‘their company’, but, especially, NO SEX, for their company….?!?!?!? The Matrix is everywhere….and cuntery is rife!… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Blaxi – It’s easier to borrow another’s status than building your own status. Just look at that cunt Hillary Clinton – drafted off her husband and his juice in the Dem party. He puts her on 3rd base in life and now we are supposed to take her seriously as an accomplished person. As though should wouldn’t be a nobody without Bill. It’s just amazing the crap we are putting up with.

Forge the Sky
5 years ago

I…wow. Excellent, Scribblerg, Blaximus. Scribblerg, your comment reminded me of a point that Elliott Hulse had once (he’s a strength trainer that became popular on YouTube for talking about masculine issues and giving advice to men). He posited that the ‘opposite of depression is EXPRESSION’ and had a video (taken down now, sadly) of working himself out of a depressive state. He was brilliant, a sight to behold – vividly expressing the rage, anger, sadness, and sexuality he had been repressing, tearing, yelling, crying. I used to go into the woods where I grew up when down spirited, and as… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Any questions that feminism is just another arm of socialism?”

Sure: which way the arrow of causality points.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
5 years ago
Reply to  kfg

@scribblerg “Expressing emotions is the path to release from their torture in my experience.” I barely got their without ever being a threat. “But the point is that I don’t do chivalry. My life is more important than others. I’m not here to sacrifice myself for anyone. Not this country, and not some woman.” You know after 27 yrs I’m just starting to realized how important I am. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pD4HJk-HZY “Having integrity is better than being dishonest. Developing skills is better than fucking about.” Every mistake I learned from I increase in doing things different. It’s being honest around vile violent… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Owen preceded the Owenites. The Owenites were entryists and attempted to appeal to women because equality.

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago

@theasdgamer Any questions that feminism is just another arm of socialism? I believe it’s more basic than that. Women ultimately have no interest in protecting property rights, hypergamy doesn’t care about that. Women do not need to earn position, power, or property through hard work and merit. Such effort is meaningless to a hypergamous individual who can literally move up in the world simply by offering physical charms to another person, or socially manipulating their way there. Property rights and meritocracy ultimately only matter to men, because it is men who must invest their sweat, and body to build anything… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

@ Jeremy

Brilliant summation.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Jeremy

Interesting. So the dissolution of individual economic power is an attack on the predominantly masculine gift of production. What’s left in a system without individual economic power is the predominantly feminine power of social maneuvering. So the FI and socialism are natural bedfellows.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Rugby He took it down because he was afraid his young daughters might get mocked at school for having a crazy dad. He’s not crazy, but he has a powerful, practiced ability to allow himself to become unhinged in a carefully selected environment and circumstance, so he looks kinda crazy in the video. BTW, do you get out and interact with people much? You bounce a lot off of people’s comments here, and you talk a lot about past interactions with your family, but I don’t hear much about what you’re doing to engage with social circumstances, women, and the… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
5 years ago
Reply to  Forge the Sky

@Jeremy “Men convinced of surrendering their economic freedom are essentially surrendering the very thing that makes them men, their choice of what to spend their life doing.” What a hell of a real insight. @Forge the sky “BTW, do you get out and interact with people much? You bounce a lot off of people’s comments here, and you talk a lot about past interactions with your family, but I don’t hear much about what you’re doing to engage with social circumstances, women, and the world now. Talking with men on the internet is an awesome idea frankly, but it only… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Jeremy, the link I posted showed that, historically, feminism followed socialism. You responded theoretically–“Feminism can’t have followed socialism”. However, we know that feminism in fact did follow socialism because history. In the not so distant past, women could be corraled by their fathers and husbands. Women couldn’t divorce ad hoc or withhold sex without fear of being beaten. Women were generally expected to marry and take care of the home rather than earn an income. Hence, women were dependent on men, historically. Only with the advent of socialism and feminism has this dependency been removed piecemeal. Hypergamy can be restrained… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago

You responded theoretically–“Feminism can’t have followed socialism”.

I said no such thing.

Only with the advent of socialism and feminism has this dependency been removed piecemeal.

Indeed, but it does not follow that one is the cause of the other. It seems more likely to me that both are tools that the FI uses to rob men of their place.

Hypergamy can be restrained as we have seen in the past. It’s not a force without limits.

I never said it was.

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

@ theasdgamer In the history of ideas you’re correct feminism follows socialism. However, women are by nature collectivist, and driven to seek social concensus, and they are very much interested in playing games with the equitable distribution of material resources. So socialism is by default an acceptable idea. When men decide to go the collectivist route the FI loses it’s unique power because as we know anything a woman can do a man can do best (except give live birth). Feminism is a reaction to a male driven political/economic socialism that ensures the position of woman in an overt system… Read more »

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
5 years ago

@Rugby Still waiting on those emails you said you sent on Saturday.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
5 years ago

@Badpainter
“The FI is always one step ahead of men, always there to provide a distraction, or offer a complaint.

Manwin (I think porn as a huge tool in the hands of the FI) jack Donovan brought that up in the way of men.

A patriarchal system doesn’t stop that, but a socialist system exacerbates it.”
http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/
As humans the population is rather small and I wonder why China would fall on the list.

@sambotta
Resent let me know if you don’t have them. That means no one else has them. So damn
Damn technology

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

rugby11ljh – “…I wonder why China would fall on the list.”

I wonder why Germany wasn’t on the list. Of course they left off the workers and peasants paradises of North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, and Zimbabwe.

On the other hand it’s good list of very feminist, equalitarian societies, with China being the outlier.

lh
lh
5 years ago

@CaveClown: Why don’t you go and get another chick – now? It seems your marriage is done anyway. I don’t know US divorce laws, but other than that, in your situation, I would try to increase my power, value and fun with everything I could get. You start seeing these things now. So stop following values that betrayed you. Go full on enlightened self interest and do what you enjoy. Getting some other chick will increase her perception of your value and I believe if she sees you as high value she will want you seeing the kids and stay… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Re: Socialism and feminism. This is a complex topic that requires some subtlety. First things first, don’t play semantic games when discussing the topic. That said, let me present a precis timeline to give you a sense of how i see it: – Socialism arises after The Enlightenment(s), as classical liberal ideas from the Greeks and Romans are revived after the Dark Ages in Europe. As an aside, something never taught directly in Western schools these days is how big a part the Islamic marauders in Europe had in causing the Dark Ages. – Classical liberal ideas are “taken to… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Re: Classical liberal ideas and feminism – For those of you who wish to press the idea that the FI gives rise to classical liberal ideas, you need to take us back to the Greeks and Romans and show how these ideas were shaped by the FI. All I have to say to you if you want to play this silly game is, good luck. There are other forces at work in this world besides the FI and classical liberalism arises from those forces much more than the FI. Have a great day guys, I’m stacked up all day long… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ scribbler

Great comment! How did Mary Wollstonecraft get noticed? Did any socialist philosophers correspond with her from the outset of her writing? Or did she get standing first among the Owenites? Entryism is important here.

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago

@scribblerg

1) Classical liberalism was created by male philosophers, not women. The tenets of this thinking are masculine, free thought, free expression, etc.. Those are things that benefit men and are bedrock principles of the manosphere itself.
2) Classical liberalism =/= socialism
3) Classical liberalism would never give rise to feminism.

Bechelorocles
Bechelorocles
5 years ago

The question is: to what extent is female solipsism (and it’s concomitant narcissism) natural or man made? I’ve been a bachelor for a long time and every American woman who comes my way has thousands and thousands of American male lip prints covering her ass. These women have entourages of orbiters and female friends who forever validate and feed the monstrous ego. These women are very privileged and expect to have the option of not working in life. They receive hundreds of Facebook likes for every self-indulgent selfie posted, scores of text messages per day, stares, compliments by the hour… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Becherlorocles Women definitely are led into a narcissistic, entitled state nowadays. But that’s different from the solipsism we’re talking about. It’s not the manipulation, the entitlement, the high self-image or self-centeredness. It’s the way that everything is processed only with regards to how it impacts them personally. In a less ass-kissing culture, women would still be solipsistic, they just would express it by still doing what’s in their own best interests, and what they can get away with, under that specific cultural background. A 50’s housewife wasn’t dominant or narcissistic or entitled, but she adapted to the role that, back… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“A 50’s housewife wasn’t dominant or narcissistic or entitled . . .”

Watch less Father Knows Best and more The Honeymooners. And then there’s the the olde, “Ricky, I waaaaant to be in the shoooow!”

Bechelorocles
Bechelorocles
5 years ago

@Forge the Sky I agree it’s the “way that everything is processed only with regards to how it impacts them personally.” That is how children (female and male children) see the world and process thoughts. That gives rise to the narcissism and “the manipulation, the entitlement, the high self-image or self-centeredness.” And that is how children will remain as adults unless they receive a proper upbringing, an upbringing which molds children into moral beings possessing empathy and a realistic assessment of one’s small, insignificant place in the universe. I know of no scientific study addressing this issue. I know some… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@kfg lol. I suppose I was attempting to conjure the stereotype rather than the reality, which I’m sure was less consistent and less rosy than many suppose. @Bechelorocles I agree that this is an area of the red pill that doesn’t really have scientific evidence on its side. Or against its side. It just hasn’t been studied. That’s likely because it’s one of the more original of the manosphere’s ideas, whereas many of its other tenants are polished and repackaged understandings from days of yore. And as such have been studied to some degree, if only in an attempt to… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Jeremy – If you cannot see how the idea of equality born of classical liberalism was taken to an extreme, giving rise to socialism I don’t know what so to say. Take a breath, this isn’t even a stretch.

Not saying that classical liberalism necessarily gives rise to socialism. But the idea that “all men are created equal” certainly gives rise to socialism.

Bachelorcles
Bachelorcles
5 years ago

Then lets go with anecdotal examples and common sense. Could you send a million men to their deaths for no real good reason other than your pride and still live with yourself? I couldn’t. Kraise Welhelm II, Czar Nicholas, and King George V were spoiled brats who grew up with everything and never worked for their possessions and never achieved their social status. Like women? Growing up, their asses were kissed every day. As adults they were impulsive, child-like, prone to temper tantrums, whiney, manipulative, self-centered, fickle, and believed the word was their own little sandbox. Sound like any women… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Bacherlorcles I have no doubt that you can create solipsism in men, given the (un)proper upbringing. That doesn’t mean they have it as a default, as Rollo posits women do. “Women in Saudi Arabia or Syria don’t think of themselves as belonging to a special protected class which stands above most men.” No, but that just mitigates them having a self-oriented set of actions, not their having a self-oriented mindset. A woman can be very selfless in her actions, and still be solipsistic. It’s just, she’ll be very uninterested in things that don’t impact her personally, will tend to interpret… Read more »

Bachelorocles
Bachelorocles
5 years ago

So it’s your position:

that women will always be solipsistic to the same degree and no upbringing can shake them from it?

that pampering them, pedestalizing them, kissing their ass, treating them as if they are of a special class at the top of society, as we do in the West, does not deepen their solipsism?

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Not quite, no. It’s my position (provisional, of course; as I noted before this is an area where no real evidence exists one way or the other) that women have a greater innate tendency towards solipsism – a hardwiring that tends to continuously draw them towards a state of solipsism. A certain upbringing and environment could conceivably compensate for this tendency, and greatly reduce or even eliminate that solipsism. The current pandering system you could exacerbate it in many cases, but the chief effect it has is to create a sense of entitlement and self-aggrandizement, and allow for very self-centered… Read more »

bluepillprofessor
5 years ago

A real Perry Mason moment for Rollo on Insanity Bytes in the early part of this thread.

A++

Luxocrat
Luxocrat
5 years ago

@ Badpainter Regarding the parents coming first model: that was exactly the correct point being made. I have no clue as to where he thinks the children must come first. To Mike Hawk: seems like we experienced the same thing around the same time (length of marriage, off by one year in age). Getting my lenses changed to Red hit me like a ton of bricks but was oh so worth it. I was lucky in that I knew something was off a few years back (that glitch where in the Matrix Neo saw the same black cat twitch it’s… Read more »

Bachelorocles
Bachelorocles
5 years ago

@Forge the Sky

I agree with a lot of what you say.

However, I would say solipsism gives rise to selfishness and narcissism. When one is the center of her universe, she is (in her mind) the measure of all things.

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Ponce du Lion
Ponce du Lion
5 years ago

Dear blogger “women are entirely capable of applying reason, rationality and pragmatism as well as men” even this is not true for intelligent women. You are still in the matrix. You know as well as men that this is shit. Men are more intellligent and pragmatic and women emotional and childish. You know it. You know the evolution on the cold badlands and about the standardized sex IQ made to show the littlest difference possible in IQ which is still great 2 point. And very wider SD. Please get out of the matrix with intelligence and egalitarianism cultural expectations approved… Read more »

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BC Man
BC Man
3 years ago

Great post. I’m in a 28 year long LTR and started the unplugging process last year. I recently experienced an excellent example of female solipsism and hypergamy, rolled into one. My wife and I were reflecting on our marital history. At two different points in the same conversation: Me: During the past two years, I developed the internal strength to face my demons, conquer my demons and worked damn hard to become a better man for myself, our marriage and our kids. She: At times during our marriage, I wish I had possessed the internal strength to take the kids… Read more »

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timrean2444
timrean2444
2 years ago

You are such a gifted communicator. You write down my thoughts better than I can think them. Married for 26 years never really saw it coming although I knew the marriage sucked and in that time I was so angry I couldn’t give a crap if she left me. But I have seen far worse marriages recover if both are committed to it. I just figured most marriages sucked because I know many of my friends whose marriages suck. But marriage is just not all pure Bliss it’s a lot of hard work. I sat in my office and worked… Read more »

Maria Kouloglou
2 years ago

Once again, you don’t provide any evidence except for a handful of anecdotes. I have noticed that this is common in this blog: most ideas are based on anecdotes. You would be taken more seriously if you could provide hard evidence for the things you claim.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Maria-

Reading is fundamental.

SJF
SJF
2 years ago

100,000s of guys getting together to talk about observed behavior is fundamental.

It’s not like were all Spergs and clinically retarded. Not like a collaborative alliance can’t put dedictive reasoning to a useful end.

If you don’t want males to figure things out in your world, just say so.
Go ahead, use your mom words.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

I have yet another solipsistic anecdote about women. The other day, I commented that baby Gamer and Mrs. Gamer share a similar personality trait where they are both persistent about getting something that they believe that they have a right to. I attribute this to a tendency towards Meyers-Briggs judgmentalism and it’s not a negative thing. Daughter Gamer took this as insulting Mrs. Gamer and Mrs. Gamer blew up at me. There’s an emotional backstory to this, of course. Daughter Gamer and Mrs. Gamer had been discussing the negative behavior of Son in law. Both were upset. Then they started… Read more »

SJF
SJF
2 years ago

Nice anecdotal story. But raise your right hand and admit that you are looking at micro details.

What is the big picture? Where are all the players going in the big picture and the long game.

And don’t you know that Myers-Briggs is persona-non-grata in the red pill manosphere?

It serves absolutely no purpose at all in a Know Thyself paradigm and it’s nothing other than woo-woo chick crack. It can’t possibly be used to understand individual preferences in personality functions in your own self or in relationships with wives, daughters and other family members.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

@SJF When it comes to the manosphere, I keep the baby, not the bathwater. Your words are better than any upvote. I’m continually amazed watching the baby develop. Her nonverbal skills have been first rate since about 6 months. Probably a girl thing. The cognitive centers developed before the speech centers.. The baby can say several words, but they aren’t clear like an adult. (She’ll call me “Da-da” or “Gan-da.”) And sometimes she will say a string of things, but we can’t understand her message. She can wave byebye and blow kisses and imitate the slow ceiling fans and make… Read more »

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