Peak Hypergamy

Peak_Hypergamy

Commenter Divided Line came on with such a strong take on Our Sisters’ Keeper I had to riff on it:

Hypergamy is a given and it’s not going anywhere. But even if women’s sexuality is biologically rooted, their rationalizations for it aren’t possible without a compliant culture. So long as women are the damsels, the victims who are put upon by the cruel and all powerful patriarchy, so long as men are perceived to be powerful and free in a way that they clearly are not nor have ever been, open hypergamy is possible. After all, any guy who points it out or complains about it is branded an embittered loser, a misogynist, a creep, and so on, but I wonder to what degree this will change as red pill awareness spreads and penetrates the mainstream. I mean, how long do we think that men will go on smiling and nodding when it’s increasingly the case that more and more of us can see what bullshit all of this is?

What it makes me think of is Alana Massey’s Dickonomics article.

If you haven’t already read it, she goes on and on about how male attention is abundant and cheap, proving that women are well aware of what men who bother with online dating realized from the start. She recognizes the extreme degree of power this gives her before hamstering it away with this:

“Some will read my gleeful rejections on the many faces I encounter on Tinder as evidence of a disturbing uptick in malevolent, anti-male sentiments among single straight women. It is not. It is evidence of us arriving nearer to gender equilibrium where men can no longer happily judge the clear and abundant photos and carefully crafted profiles of women but become incensed when they take the opportunity to do the same.”

How many times have you seen this? All venality, cruelty, selfishness, indifference, etc is justified, of course, because men have it so good, women have it so bad, blah blah etc. So she can write something like this and the sisterhood will nod their heads and no doubt be able to ignore doubt or second thoughts in regards to their atrocious, destructive, and cruel treatment of the opposite sex. Women, like people who rationalize generally, tend to think in bogus bumper sticker one liners because they provide excuses not to think for themselves. And men, after all, just saunter about in the patriarchal torture dungeon of a society free and powerful, and pluck women from the trees before discarding them like jizz towels, so naturally, why should she consider their complexity as human beings or ever recognize what a rotten, horrible human being she is? They’re free to retaliate against men for women’s imaginary oppression.

But how long will they be able to keep employing these rationalizations and getting away with it if the public dialog changes? And it has already begun to change. I’ve watched it happen over the last year. You see more and more disclaimers in articles which appeal to the you-go-girl crowd. It really does seem as if there is a growing awareness that they are full of shit, or at the very least, that maybe there are moral complexities and obligations that come with female social power, to the degree that they are even willing to recognize that power.

Hypergamy isn’t going anywhere, but since men increasingly are comparing notes now and voicing their criticism of women’s bullshit (at least online), maybe it really isn’t the case that women are going to be able to continue this bullshit with public sanction. Is this wishful thinking?

I’ve made the case in several other blog comment and forum threads, but it’s getting almost too easy to point out women’s overt embrace of Open Hypergamy. There was a time – only 4 short years ago – that I would be run up the flagpole for publishing my observations on the ins and outs of women’s sexual strategy. Women in the blogosphere hated the fact that I was exposing their Game. They didn’t like the idea that I was informing men about the plan women had for them or the part they played, and by informing them it represented a fundamental threat to the long term success (and essentially their long term security) of that plan.

If you’re feeling nostalgic you can skim through the comments of posts like Wait For It? or The Threat:

Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value to women.

[…]

Race to Awareness

Because of women’s relatively short window of peak sexual viability it is imperative that men be as unaware of their slower, but progressively increasing SMV for as long as possible in order for them to achieve the prime directive of female hypergamy; realize the best genetic options and the best provisioning options she has the capacity to attract in that peak window. If Men become aware of their SMV before a woman can consolidate on her options with monogamous commitment her sexual strategy is defeated.

The mistake (and the binary retort) is to think this need for contrivances was concocted in whole as some grand sisterhood conspiracy. This just proves an ignorance of social constructs. For a social contrivance to be such, it necessitates being repeated by society WITHOUT a formal conception – meaning we learn the contrivance from seeing it, internalizing it and repeating it ourselves without forethought. The best social contrivances are inconspicuous and rarely questioned because they’ve been learned without having been formally taught. This is why I think encouraging men NOT to bother trying to understand women is in itself a social convention. Don’t look at that man behind the curtain, just accept it for what it is, enjoy the show, you’re better off that way, the Mighty Oz has spoken.

This is the threat that Game represents to the feminine imperative. Widely shared, objective assessments of Men’s SMV and how it develops is the antithesis of the female sexual strategy. Women’s greatest fear is that they could become the ‘selected’ instead of the ‘selectors’.

Bear in mind I wrote this years before I published Preventive Medicine. This was also only a few years before I formally identified women’s embrace of openly, proudly, flaunting their sexual strategy. I can remember being soundly rebuked by women denying they adhered to anything so callous as an Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks schedule with regard to men.

There was a certain nervous undertone that accompanied their shaming that revealed how protective they were of keeping the plan as ambiguous and secretive as possible from men in general. For every acknowledgement of the biological influences of Ovulatory Shift behaviors by these women there was always an obligatory, “yes, but, people are people, we’re above all that, it’s what’s on the inside that counts, NAWALT” intended to offset the ugliness of it.

Now, the same women who adamantly denied what their functionally opportunistic concept of love represents; the same women who rejected the idea of an Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks sexual strategy openly and triumphantly boast about it. It’s become a source not only of agency, but a proud admission of perceived power on the part of women.

At some point the social impetus behind Open Hypergamy became so blatantly obvious they could no longer deny the truth of it. The Genie was out and it was more advantageous to not only to welcome it, but to brandish and profit from forcing men to accept it. Thus we have Open Hypergamy both subtly and triumphantly waved in our mainstream advertising, our pop-culture, our social media, our music and even the movies we take our kids to enjoy.

To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.
– George Orwell

I expect most of the worst aspects of Open Hypergamy (Overt Hypergamy if you prefer) are fairly obvious to my readers. Even the now the subtle influence in the media and advertising becomes not-so-subtle for men accustomed to seeing things with a Red Pill Lens. We can only shake our heads and hope that so blatant a confession of relishing power in Hypergamy on the part of unaware men will come to light for them.

Divided Line raises a very poignant observation – what’s next? What’s the natural progression?

Hypergamy isn’t going anywhere, but since men increasingly are comparing notes now and voicing their criticism of women’s bullshit (at least online), maybe it really isn’t the case that women are going to be able to continue this bullshit with public sanction. Is this wishful thinking?

I think there is a caveat we have to address here first. With Red Pill awareness it gets very easy to slide down the slippery slope and believe that ‘all women’ will have some equal capacity to enforce the worst of Open Hypergamy on men in general. Yes, in a westernizing context, women have an almost unilaterally state-backed influence on enforcing men’s de facto participation in Hypergamy by order of degree. However, it’s important to remember that men’s willing participation or coercion in it is still (as yet) limited by women’s capacity to attract and involve them.

Men want (and yes, need) sex and will find behavioral and psychological adaptations and workarounds to get it. That may be MGTOW, prostitution, porn or an as yet developed alternative of virtual sex. It may be Red Pill awareness and applied Game, it may be a self-aligning push to pander to the most extreme elements of the Alpha Fucks or Beta Bucks ends of Hypergamy, or it may be upping fame or a false social proof (via personality politicking on social media) that makes for men’s future adaptations.

Peak Hypergamy

I’m not a prognosticator about such things, but I can make logical estimates based on observations. One thing is for certain, and I discussed this with Niko in our talk, intersexual politicking and the condition of women will reach a ‘Peak Hypergamy’ state in the not too distant future. There will indeed come a point when even Blue Pill men will be unable to ignore so gross a power imbalance between the sexes.

There’s been some debate as to whether there’s some socially conscious ‘marriage strike’ in the manosphere for some time, and I think marriage statistics being at an all time low bear much of this out. I don’t think this is the result of some nascent MGTOW awakening, but rather a deductive, peripheral, general awareness men have of Open Hypergamy in our current social order at the moment.

Just as a last aside here, let me state that I am aware of the more militant, absolutists of MGTOW belaboring the idea that ‘the juice aint worth the squeeze’ and the dangers of even approaching a woman risk his being accused of sexual harassment, much less having recreational sex with her leaving a man open to post-sex regret-rape allegation. I get that. It’s part of the ascension toward a ‘Peak Hypergamy’ social state. My question is whether these men would find it worth their while to engage with women if their fears were removed in a post Peak State social order? Some may even live long enough to have to figure that out for themselves.

I think Divided Line is correct – there will come a state when Open Hypergamy’s power consolidation becomes too obvious and the social mechanics the Feminine Imperative has used to ensure that consolidation will be too much for women to maintain as a collective. Then what? What will women rationalize for themselves when they realize their monster has become too much?

I’ll reiterate it again; socially, it didn’t take long for women to transition from a secretive Hypergamy to an open display of it. The same women who called AF/BB the imaginings of misogynous men only 4 years ago are now proudly claiming it as truth (they knew all along) and a means to a power they’ve always had and should openly use.

The social, political and personal stress point of Peak Hypergamy is coming. It may take a bit longer, but there will come a point where even women will be forced to recognize the consequences of legislating their hubris.

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keyser Soze
keyser Soze
10 years ago

Ps
Rugby,
You’re really annoying me with replying to 10 people.
Can you just stop it.

Otsnarc
Otsnarc
10 years ago

I just remembered an article i read in the sunday times, one of their supplements, sometime ago. I mean 10 years ago at least. The author was writing about a young woman who essentially didn’t need beta support! and in her own words was sleeping around, obviously with the best genetic stock she could attract! To get pregnant. I was blue pill back then and thought nothing much of it.

Liz
Liz
10 years ago

Gamer: “Liz, you left out a ‘t’.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbihpBjckvk

😛

theasdgamer
10 years ago

Ex post facto rationalization field report: I scheduled a meetup with a broad at a venue; I wanted to discuss the times that she had disrespected me. One of those times involved her being totally unthankful for me spending my time to teach her a move which I had paid money to learn. Her reply was that she felt uncomfortable working on it alone with me. Which we had done twice. And she wanted to work on it a third time. (She was snappy after the second time, likely because she was expecting me to kiss her and I didn’t.)… Read more »

theasdgamer
10 years ago

Liz, send me pics…for the chillldrenn.

theasdgamer
10 years ago

Tits a lurvely song…er, twats lurvely…oh, h311, you got me cussin again.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
10 years ago

@Pwn “[…] being instinctively romantic made me feel disgust towards many girls which resulted in my sex life being unsatisfactory until University. Then I had a string of relationships that lasted only a couple of months each, but they were largely with pretty party sluts I didn’t care for.” There’s nothing wrong with feeling disgust towards skanky / promiscuous women. In fact, I think it’s a natural, hardwired male response to female promiscuity; it’s evolution-based. The PUA / r-selected guys have short-circuited this natural male instinct to favor quantity over quality. To me, it’s like the difference between having an… Read more »

theasdgamer
10 years ago

I like the non-worksafe version better.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
10 years ago

@theasdgamer “Her reply was that she felt uncomfortable working on it alone with me. Which we had done twice. And she wanted to work on it a third time.” Not sure what kind of ‘moves’ you’re referring to, but I’m going to assume it’s dance moves for this: It would be great if you scheduled a third session with her in the same venue, but brought along a buddy. The look on her face alone when she sees you walk in with him would be priceless… When you introduce her to him, you say, “This is [X]. I thought it… Read more »

theasdgamer
10 years ago

Kid, nice try, but… 1) it would be catering to her terms and her frame and she would just come up with another excuse to keep the game going so that she can continue to get my attention, Women want: 1) to be desired, 2) to be admired, and 3) attention, in that order of importance. I haven’t complimented her much, but have asked her out to my truck in the distant past as a test of compliance and to calibrate her interest, so she perceived 1) even though it was just a test. This broad wants a repeat of… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
10 years ago

@asd

You’ve already catered to her frame by expressing your displeasure with her ingratitude. Demonstrate, don’t explicate, remember? You’re not manifesting outcome independence, either – you have an expectation of gratitude from her, among other expectations. You’re manifesting neediness, not aloofness.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  Kid Jupiter

Forget the term “aloof”:

http://therationalmale.com/2012/09/14/amused-mastery/

SGT Ted
10 years ago

Softek, The most I went 5 years without so much as a touch, much less getting laid, but I didn’t really care. The most success I’ve had with women was when I wasn’t focusing on meeting women and getting laid, but when I was focused on myself. Obsessing over meeting girls and all that follows isn’t going to make it better. It makes it worse. It’s not that I don’t feel for you, or don’t appreciate your frustration. It’s that I think your obsessed focus on having sex as the be-all end-all is the wrong mental frame in which to… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago

@SGT Ted
“The most success I’ve had with women was when I wasn’t focusing on meeting women and getting laid, but when I was focused on myself.”

You are the prize…

scribblerg
scribblerg
10 years ago

So much great stuff here. I’m still in monk mode and am loving it. Entirely focused on my life and making great progress in all fronts particularly fitness which just improves everything. The logical response for men is to refuse to marry or provision. Use prostitutes if u can’t find what u want without paying. We should take it a step further and also favor men in every way possible in our business dealings. Sadly most men haven’t digested that women have intense in group preferences in all their dealings, especially business. They will action for their collective good while… Read more »

kobayashii1681
10 years ago

@Blaximus:

“Do not get hung up on the HB9 or 10 that won’t fuck you ( right now..). It’s been said time and time again, PUSSY is just PUSSY. It’s never worth anguish or pain. Quality pussy is the pussy you get, that you like. You don’t know quality pussy until you are balls deep in it. Then act and fuck accordingly.”

A-FUCKING-MEN!!!!!

kobayashii1681
10 years ago

@Softek – In the beginning awareness can be a burden….a heavy one. But trust me, and the men on this site, the pain will pass, you will be stronger for it… When I found RM and basically red pill dialogue, I was bitter, and I used to call women out…but then I calmed down, and realised as sensei said, there’s no good or bad, even though the effects leave us scarred and are fucking painful, it is what it fucking is bruv…trust women to be women. As Rollo says, play with them and play WITH them…. But first work on… Read more »

theasdgamer
10 years ago

@ Softek I just don’t understand how to do it. Get from Point A to Point B. As in, what do you do to get a girl isolated? Do you just ask for her number? Do you ask her if she wants to go out sometime? What do you do? I’m completely lost over here. Background: I met a broad (B) through a dance class. We danced together some. Finally danced exclusively with her last Thursday night during a practice time. I was instructing her about dance. Me dominant, her submissive–and her extremely compliant and positive throughout. She has high… Read more »

kobayashii1681
10 years ago

@Softek – Also, and especially, ‘Medium is the message’.
Very important.

And as for going out there, or taking the next step….I remember watching something where a guy said, with regards to banging chics – ‘Isolate, inebriate, penetrate’…so maybe drinks over at their place or urs, escalate, bang….dates can be tricky, and from what I’ve realised after the RP, they aren’t really necessary….

Keep working on it, but don’t obsess…

theasdgamer
10 years ago

@ Jupiter You’ve already catered to her frame by expressing your displeasure with her ingratitude. Demonstrate, don’t explicate, remember? Glad you let me explain. No, my rules, my frame. Let her get away with ingratitude? Her frame. We needed the chat so that she understood my frame’s rules. She said, “You’re not like other men.” My frame. Subtext: “You’re higher value than other men.” Her frame is that other men pu$$y out and let her get away with 5h1t. The broad needed the chat so that she understood why I was ignoring her. Sometimes you have to explicate. If I… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
10 years ago

Like one of the commenters here said it before….The questions is not really, if or when hypergamy will reach its peak. The real question is rather if we have (hopefully) reached peak Beta-ism !!!!! As you Rollo have written it precisely, hypergamy was always there and always will be there. Men in western world have allowed the women to play their hypergamy game free and undisturbed….with the help of beta’s, white knights and Manginas. But i would also add the so called Alphas to that list, too ! And this situation won’t change that quick, because: 1) We Men have… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
10 years ago

The Lord knows it……a lot of women needs a good face slap nowadays. LOL 😉

redlight
redlight
10 years ago

The Ashley Madison mess is a lot worse than I thought

Using a site like search.ashleymadison.sucks, that allows zipcodes/postal codes, or names, or email domains I found
a) people I know on my street
b) people on nearby streets
c) people I know at work

This is going to put a lot of houses on the market, reducing value.

Predictably the FI is calling for no forgiveness for men caught out, and total forgiveness for women.

M Simon
10 years ago

theasdgamer August 23rd, 2015 at 11:27 am Likely what is behind her refusal to apologize is some sort of “girl world” crap about not apologizing for bad behavior. Funny. My first GF, who taught me the rudiments of game, advised me to never apologize. I took it to heart. I will apologize and rectify my behavior if I don’t keep a promise. It is a very powerful attractant (for some women) if you keep your word. Why? Because they can’t do it. She (all of them) will adopt what ever position she feels advantages her. No matter what she said… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

ChocDoc August 23rd, 2015 at 3:37 pm Well there are other ways. I don’t like hitting women. I just don’t. Call it a developmental defect. So what do I do? I violate them verbally. During a f*: “I don’t love you (women get this because they know they are incapable of anything but situational love). But I do enjoy f*ing you. I also greatly enjoy denigrating you. I enjoy wanting other women openly while I’m in you.” Her(later-after several hours of INTENSE post f* cuddling): “That was a HOT f*. But do you have to treat me so bad?” Me.… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Let me add that if a woman is into you she will do things that would totally disgust her under other circumstances. She will still have limits, but they will be fewer if she wants you.

What you have to watch out for is the delayed “rape” story.

Avoid college chicks if you are in college. If you want college chicks don’t go to college.

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“You can make all the appeals to morality you’d like, but just know that our very learned, very conditioned understanding of morality is based on a societal imperative that prioritizes women above all else.”

Complete crap, Tomassi. Read the fruits of this thread, look me in the eye and tell me these are happy men. They pour women into the abyss of their souls like empty calories…and speak of great pain and wanting to kill themselves.

How we perceive the opposite gender really reveals how we perceive our own selves.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago

@redligth
That’s a whole new good insight

@M simon
“Avoid college chicks if you are in college. If you want college chicks don’t go to college.”

Learned the hard way.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago

@insanity, my comment had nothing to do with men being happy about anything. However it’s quite telling that this is your presumption; that men MUST associate their individual happiness with how they interact with women. Once again, and like I explained in your thread about the woman in Dalrock’s thread, your default point of mental origin is to automatically associate morality, happiness, religion, contentment, legitimacy and responsibility with what serves the Feminine Imperative best. The idea that a man could be happy or content without, or with minimal, feminine influence is utterly alien to you. I could get every member… Read more »

insanitybytes22
10 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

“I could get every member of SoSuave, MGTOW, the MRA, RVF, TRP and every commenter on every manosphere blog to explain their various levels of happiness to you …”

Would you mind terribly doing just that, Tomassi? Rugby claims he’s soothed, well that’s something anyway.

This will probably sail right over your ideology driven head, Tomassi, but my imperative is actually happy, contented men and I sure don’t see much evidence of that in these threads.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago

Keep dodging IB. Your concept of contentment is created by your ego-investment in a feminine primary context.

There is no such thing as contentment, and happiness isn’t durable. Men know this and grow from it.

Men are raised to expect things to be hard and are grateful when they’re easy. Women expect things to be easy and complain when they’re difficult.

You are a shining example of women’s solipsistic nature. There is literally no existential possibility of happiness or contentment without a woman being part of that equation.

insanitybytes22
10 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

“There is no such thing as contentment, and happiness isn’t durable.”

I am content and I suffer from “durable happiness” Tomassi, and life has never been easy for me.

So, I now know you don’t believe in love,contentment,or happiness? That’s really sad. I’m so sorry.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago

I can see you still suffer from making your necessity a virtue, here’s why you’re wrong:

http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/31/perfecting-the-fantasy/

insanitybytes22
10 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

“I can see you still suffer from making your necessity a virtue, here’s why you’re wrong”

Not at all, Tomassi. If some men find contentment without women, than more power to them. There are quite a few lovely MGTOW’s in the world…. and a few total wankers, too.

I read your piece on contentment and you are not entirely wrong, it is just semantics here. I truly am “durably happy,” but than again I know that all the angst and misery is often the best part of all. That is where all our great poetry and romance lives.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago

@Rollo
“There is no such thing as contentment, and happiness isn’t durable. Men know this and grow from it.”

That’s really a huge part of the joy of it all.

@dexteranddeedee
I would find work and try to leave on the best terms possible.

theasdgamer
10 years ago

Oh, look, it’s the FI trollbot again.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
10 years ago

I’d love to see M Simon and insanity22 living together in Bora Bora.

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

Inanity – “Read the fruits of this thread, look me in the eye and tell me these are happy men.”

Sometimes men just break. Men do that sometimes, we break, especially when all the women in our lives fail us.

theasdgamer
10 years ago

Rollo, please plug us back in to the Matrix. We are so unhaaaappy.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  theasdgamer

@Badpainter “Sometimes men just break. Men do that sometimes, we break, especially when all the women in our lives fail us.” I noticed the biggest impact with learning the red pill for me was being ok with how women are and not how I always wanted them to be. I wasn’t disappointed or emotionally vulnerable anymore in all my own issues. I never had a place but here to debrief about the most shit I’ve been through. Their is sosuave and the private male as well as Goldman. But this site has a couple more gems that combines them all.… Read more »

23
23
10 years ago

@Pwn So, So, So true. Being a Man and being an Alpha is fucking awesome. Being a beta is hard, I’d known because I was one in my late teens and early 20s – always asking permission and deferring to the women. My god, that shit is exhausting!! As Tyler said in.. The Truth of Women.. maybe, I don’t remember, the damn article is 10 years old now (!!!), but believe your own bullshit and the women will too!! One of the craziest, if not craziest truths of women I learned is they don’t give a FUCK about the truth!… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

@ rugby11ljh

I wasn’t serious with that. I was just throwing inanity’s own nonsense back at her. The whole line about men breaking because women fail them is a gender reversal of something she said on her blog in defense of a baby killing whore. Inanity has oodles of empathy for a woman who kills her own children and not single drop for the average man. Hypocrite doesn’t doesn’t even begin to describe her. She’s feels nothing but hate for men generally despite her professed faith.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  Badpainter

@Badpainter

Always makes me think of my mothers hardship with her miscarriage and my sister calling me about her abortion at 16. Women rarely seem to wanna talk about how the male feels about the whole thing sounds rhetorical saying that here but I never had a say in my household when women demanded the right to choose it that regard. Weird now how today it doesn’t hurt as much to think about.

@23
Hey Thanks a lot brother.

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

“…my imperative is actually happy, contented men and I sure don’t see much evidence of that in these threads.”

Willing slaves and bootlicks are scarce around here.

dexteranddeedee
10 years ago

Question,how does one deal with abusive feminist moms when you depend on them economically?
What about the abandonment that ‘the lost boys’ go through.I realised I hate mother extremely. That’s what has driven me to the red pill.But since I’m economically dependent,I feel trapped.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
10 years ago

Insanity,
“Tomassi, but my imperative is actually happy, contented men and I sure don’t see much evidence of that in these threads.”

And could you please tell us about the high divorce rate? And who initiates the divorce?
Or that is not in your imperative where men are content? Wait till you discover your husband’s IP addresses on Ashley Madison .
Personally, I ain’t have a problem with beautiful women, I have a problem with ugly women thinking they are beautiful.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
10 years ago

@dexter

“Question,how does one deal with abusive feminist moms when you depend on them economically?”

First of all, by learning to not depend on them emotionally. Then you sort out that anger of yours by reading from TRM best of year one and keep reading until you start to see the light or you’ll be doomed to repeat this same (or a similar) relationship over and over with almost every woman you hook up with.

It sucks…but it can’t suck worse for you than it does now, right?

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
10 years ago

I’ll ask again: Doesn’t this chick have her own blog to write? It wasn’t a rhetorical question.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
10 years ago

If you’re contentment is so durable, then why are you posting here? Be content with your position and write your blog. I don’t see Tomassi trolling your blog trying to convince and convert your readers to his position. He’s content concentrating on his own blog. And we’re content having a discussion about the topics Tomassi writes about that are unique to our experiences as men. If we found value or relevance in your positions as a woman on our male experience we’d come comment on your blog. Get it?

dexteranddeedee
10 years ago

@diplomat @rugby

It really sucks.You loose faith in everything,even turn suicidal.But I guess the red pill has made it easier.Still,power flows from above,hence the resentment of being bullied by your own mum.People cry of breakups and divorce.No one talks about hurt boys.I’m going to college in a few weeks time,and certainly this knowledge gives me an edge.But to think of all the time I’ve waisted.To see all my friends naturally confident while I feel shitty…DAMN.
It hurts more that you have to fight for yourself and nobody really cares.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

” . . . my imperative is actually happy, contented men . . .”

Go away.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
10 years ago

Insanity, “That is where all our great poetry and romance lives.”

Our? You mean men and women made the world’s best poetry and romance?

It was MEN, just men.

women/ girls typed romantic words and dreamed about the wedding dress.

theasdgamer
10 years ago

What you don’t grasp is the constant effort you have to make in order to force fit what every man in the sphere is showing into a faith that was co-opted by the feminine imperative and feminist influences for almost 4 decades now.

Maybe Victorian ideas about chivalry as well? So the FI could have had cultural influences even before it penetrated the Christian faith.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  theasdgamer

@dexteranddeedee “It hurts more that you have to fight for yourself and nobody really cares.” Dude breath deep and journal your ideals of what gives you purpose create a mission for yourself that doesn’t have to be financial. Do things to build your confidence every day. For me I built a tree house even thought it was on public land because I needed an outlet from the control I know so much about at this point I use rugby as my main course of action. But for bonding find folks who relate to your goals. Be patient with yourself. I’ve… Read more »

theasdgamer
10 years ago

You are a shining example of women’s solipsistic nature. There is literally no existential possibility of happiness or contentment without a woman being part of that equation.

When Mrs. Gamer briefly moved out of our home for three weeks, I was quite contented, lol. Of course, she asked me later if I missed her and I had to lie.

theasdgamer
10 years ago

It hurts more that you have to fight for yourself and nobody really cares.

You have been programmed to rely upon women caring about you. That programming is hostile to your mental health. It is an enemy program. Fight it.

redlight
redlight
10 years ago

“When Mrs. Gamer briefly moved out of our home for three weeks, I was quite contented, lol. Of course, she asked me later if I missed her and I had to lie.”

My wife said today to me “I think you would be very happy to live on your own instead of stuck with me”. This was true, but I replied with another truth “I’m quite happy with everything we have here”.

scribblerg
scribblerg
10 years ago

@Softie – You are closing for dates too quickly. The text follow up a couple of days later goes like this. “Hey”. You wait till she sends you a text back and then you start with the goofy teasing crap. You try to have her send more texts than you do. She asks, “What you doing?” You “I’m grooming my pet alligator, his claws are just out of control.” You have to activate her fantasy, thinking you are daring or adventurous or at least that your frame is interesting and fun. When closing for the date, keep to the following:… Read more »

Okami
Okami
10 years ago

When I personally experience the ruthlessness with which women exercise their options and choices (Hypergamy) I am surprised that any man including me ever agrees to any sort of commitment to them. When they are attractive and have options, they spin plates without a care in the world; even plates they don’t sexually care about. Time and time again women have performed crazy stunts to get my attention and as soon as they feel that if they wanted me, they could get me, they cut me off. As soon as I decide to move on they come back again. Rinse.… Read more »

Softek
Softek
10 years ago

@ scribblerg It must be the apocalypse: I finally got laid tonight. I am no longer a virgin. Not that that means much, as in sex is still as much of a need as ever, and I’m not off the hook yet. I have to stay sharp now. But now I know that I can do it. Thought I was going to have premature ejaculation. Ended up being fine. The girl said I was great. We went at it for a long time. I did have a couple close moments of premature ejaculation, but I focused on kissing her and… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  Softek

Pours out some bourbon for Softek.

Well done.

Softek
Softek
10 years ago

@ scribblerg

Thanks for the advice too. I may have had one success now but spinning plates is the name of the game. I still have a LONG way to go before I can think of myself as an actual Alpha. A long, long way.

But we’re making progress.

Softek
Softek
10 years ago

@ Rollo

Thanks, I’m still trying to process that this actually happened. I owe a lot to the guys here and of course all the writing you’ve done.

I know it’s not all said and done now but I’m going to go to bed for at least tonight with a mood of celebration. Thanks for everything so far, guys.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  Softek

@Softek
Holy hell
Nice thing to rest on. Congratulation not the apocalypse and you only are gonna get that much more amazing.

redlight
redlight
10 years ago

sadly that leaves insanitybytes as the only virgin left here

(assuming cocksucking, anal, and artificial insemination doesn’t count)

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
10 years ago

Happy birthday day Softek.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
10 years ago

an advice to Softek.
With fucking, comes responsibility, I want you to fuck the sluts, fuck the whores, fuck the cougars, fuck the virgins, fuck the single mom’s, fuck the Milfs, fuck the feminists, fuck anything with two holes. And when it comes to settling, start all over again and get a Dog.

Mean Mr. Mustard
Mean Mr. Mustard
10 years ago

So, they just can’t help it.
Upon being caught out, they will cry out …the devil (hypergamy) made them do it.

lh
lh
10 years ago

Wow, great, Softek! Well done. And now forget she was the first as soon as possible. No women should ever know how much you had already and best is you don’t know either.

Otsnarc
Otsnarc
10 years ago

Being a man in this day and age is like walking across a tight-rope without a balance beam, no safety net and a cross wind with a massive drop below.

For women, there is a massive safety net and society has been conditioned to make their life easy. It needs to be addressed. To be honest it just annoys me.

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

Earlier I had said something about there being a positive side of marriage. I do think there is a certain appeal to in a real good alpha frame. King of your Castle, Minions, etc. I’m getting pretty good at it. She tells me that she’s “the luckiest girl in the world.” I don’t know if she realizes that she only says it after sex… lol. Yesterday she bought me a pillow with her allowance money because: “I shouldn’t have a nicer pillow than the head of the household.” Anyway, I have set an ultimate goal of getting her to bring… Read more »

SJF
SJF
10 years ago

Congratulations Softek. Your mindset as judged by your comments has certainly brightened up over the last couple weeks. A strong contrast to six months ago when we didn’t think you were going to make it through triage. (And I think a Grand Thank You! is due to ScribblerG for helping you off-line this past year.) Please keep to your red pill/game script. Do yourself a favor (and us readers for gods sake). Go back and read and follow Roissy’s Sixteen Commandments in regards to this plate you got up and spinning. And remember Law #4 of the 48 Laws of… Read more »

longgone
longgone
10 years ago

Softek,

Outstanding!

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
10 years ago

I’m just waiting for insanitybytes to come ridicule and shame Softek as an evil misogynist….

Other than that, congrats buddy.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

“Tomassi, but my imperative is actually happy, contented men

“Happy, contented” steers more likely. In the usual female solipsistic fashion, IB / gg / yttik wants men to be “happy” like women are supposed to be happy, because her feminist hindbrain refuses to accept that men are not defective women.

Now run along, girl, the men are talking.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

Softek – good, well done, don’t overthink and watch out for oneitis.

SJF
SJF
10 years ago

“I’m just waiting for insanitybytes to come ridicule and shame Softek as an evil misogynist….”

I have a sixth sense that one of Insaneittybitty’s great joys in life is Schadenfreude.

Softek just gave her Gluckschmertz (…to take pain in someone else’s pleasure…) which he snatched from the jaws of her Schadenfreude.

theasdgamer
10 years ago

Softek, work on your general approach to people. Be warm, fun, and engaging. With retail clerks, friends, men, women, dogs, etc. Make it part of your life. Options will happen.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  theasdgamer

@Softek, at this point it’s important that you bear in mind that you will always learn more from your failures than you will from your successes. The human mind is wired to imprint negative, painful experiences more readily than pleasant ones. It’s the hot stove principle – the memory of that pain and the introspection you had after you burned your hand served to keep you alive when something similar occurred in your environment. You’ll contemplate and mentally dissect the reason why you had that failure or painful experience far more intently than when you enjoy the pleasures of success.… Read more »

The Burninator
The Burninator
10 years ago

@Rollo Alpha is as Alpha does: http://www.newser.com/story/211659/this-woman-left-her-family-to-marry-man-on-death-row.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=earthlink&utm_campaign=rss_topnews I watched this in real life. Neighbor down the road, dude is Captain Fuckin’ America on steroids. Red white and blue all the way through, owns his own construction business, can fix anything and everything that is made of wood and metal, is in fantastic shape and women say out loud what a great looking guy he is, he had a *knockout* wife and had four kids by her. Even after the kids she stayed in amazing shape and you’d not know (with clothes on) that she’d ever birthed one child. Ok, good… Read more »

The Burninator
The Burninator
10 years ago

Technically not shack up, I meant more along the lines of “live in an apartment and hope to get visitation with him”. As far as I understood it anyway.

Softek
Softek
10 years ago

@ Rollo I tried to capture how I did it in my comment. Will write more if I remember. She came over and made a comment that we were ‘just friends,’ but it was a shit test. She gave me a massage, and then I gave her one, and she said “A lot of guys expect to get laid after stuff like this, but this isn’t like that. I trust you, I don’t ever let anyone else do this.” I got very discouraged, and thought that was it, but deep down I knew it was a shit test. I knew… Read more »

Softek
Softek
10 years ago

@ Rollo Revised Field Report: She mentioned later she couldn’t believe it happened. She said she always felt some kind of attraction to me and knew I was awesome, but she thought that when she came over it was just going to be kind of a stalemate. She wasn’t expecting it. Translation: she wanted to hook up with me, she was attracted to me, and she was in her hindbrain expecting/desiring me to Alpha up and make it happen. And that’s what I did, and that’s why it worked so well. Re-capped report: -Escalated with text beforehand when she wanted… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  Softek

@Softek, I think if you pick the behaviors and physical cues apart you’ll find she was likely in her proliferative phase too.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
10 years ago

@Softek

Glad you got your first notch. Call it that. Stop using the words “virgin” and “virginity.” Women who haven’t ever had sex are “virgins.” Men who haven’t ever had sex are just that: men who haven’t ever had sex. They’re not “virgins.” The use of the word virgin interchangeably for men and women is yet another example of equalism and the feminization of men.

SJF
SJF
10 years ago

“…I actually asked her if she saw my hard on.” “…..I asked her if she had a good time.” Softek, please realize what you are doing. Please fake it till you make it. Act like you have done this tens of times. Going forward, it makes no difference to her whether you haven’t had PIV sex in the past. Don’t ask those juvenile questions. You are better than that. Please use Law #4. And Rollo is being taciturn here: “I think if you pick the behaviors and physical cues apart you’ll find she was likely in her proliferative phase too.… Read more »

Softek
Softek
10 years ago

@ SJF

I don’t know what you’re referring to. I’ve read the menstruation article Rollo wrote but I’m having a hard time processing all of this. If you want to give me some advice, I’m all ears.

SJF
SJF
10 years ago

Keep in mind that is she is on the pill, it blunts her ovulatory craving for dick so you need to calibrate. 5 to 7 days after the start of her period until 14 days and beyond she is going to be more down to fuck. After that she needs more nurturing (in an LTR moreso, much, much less so for your current circumstance). Frankly if I were you I would disappear during her luteal phase this month and pop back up in her proliferative phase. In short if you can decipher the peak of her proliferative phase you are… Read more »

theasdgamer
10 years ago

I didn’t know HOW to respond, and I didn’t see a point, because I was interested in her, so I just ignored it/kind of went along with it, Naturals do this, too. Kind of like you hear a broad saying, “Blah, blah, blah.” Nothing that is in line with your agenda so it gets ignored. If she gets boring (i.e., says “no” emphatically too often), you move on. Drop her and find something else to do. With this broad you probably started as uncertain beta and hit enough alpha pings to get her to reassess your SMV. Doubt was your… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
10 years ago

@ Softek:

CONGRATS!!!

But i don’t want you to get oneitis now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

😉

theasdgamer
10 years ago

Had a rough Saturday and Sunday. Mrs. Gamer was doing Dread-B behavior. That’s Cluster-B because of Dread. She doesn’t want to go out with me when I’m working on my book because she doesn’t want to see me dancing with other women. So she stays home, then whines about how she always has to stay home. Mrs. Gamer has some decent girlfriends with whom she can do things, so she just needs to schedule going out to do stuff with them on the weekends. So, the problem is her high blood pressure. And her Dread-B behavior. How did I deal… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

“I trust you, I don’t ever let anyone else do this.”

Softek, when a woman says that she does trust you at that moment, and she’s done whatever it is before more than once. Her anti-slut defense is dialing back while her hamster revs up, and yes, it’s a signal for you to escalate.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
10 years ago

Softek.
I advise you to move on, if I were you I’d find a reason to dump her.
She opened the door for you and she knows you owe her, that is why you should move on .
You will never be her Alpha.
Just move on as soon as possible.
Find another woman and don’t let her know she is your second fuck.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  keyser Soze

Attachment in men is always perceived as weakness by women.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7918699/Women-view-modesty-as-sign-of-weakness.html

Keep this in mind Softek.

theasdgamer
10 years ago

The best case: She initiates during her fertile period if you don’t. She gets cravings for your D.

Got one better than this. Mrs. Gamer is post-menopausal and initiates several times a month. No testosterone boost in her system. Must be the 18 inch…oh, wait, I had my hamstermagnifier on, never mind.

theasdgamer
10 years ago

Consider what I have written to be a Master Class in Dread/Relationship Game.

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

I asked her if she had a good time. I feel like a douche, but I have to say it. I would make this the first and last time you ask that question. Chicks hate it when you fish for validation. I wouldn’t worry about it though, I did it for like 10 years… lol. I started to notice that even when you try to get validation with a cocky/funny attack they can still sniff out the insecurity. Even if they don’t say anything just assume it’s awesome. Because honestly, she’s hooking up with a red pill guy that “get’s… Read more »

theasdgamer
10 years ago

I ask Mrs. Gamer about the quality and quantity of her O’s. She doesn’t like it either. I do it just to bug her.

If a broad bangs you, that’s enough validation.

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
10 years ago

A man never should look for validation…especially not from a woman.

She should look for your validation. That’s the natural way!!

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

Indeed. Let me rephrase the question to make it more obvious: “Was I a good boy?” Do you now see how that is inherently the supplication of an inferior? Women will react to that as a man does to “Do these pants make my ass look fat?” It totally kills whatever good feels there actually were up to that point. And it’s an entirely needless question, nor should you pay any attention to her if she says something about it of her own volition. It’s just noise, it doesn’t mean anything. If she enjoyed herself she will show you with… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

Softek,

Well done dude! Damn, I just got a fucking kiss this weekend lol. Bad logistics.

Was gonna talk to ya a bit about your logistic/socialization stuff, but Glenn hit it good already and you’ve got shit to process now.

Brofist

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

@Rugby: “Still making a hell of a lot of progress than was thinking about @Forge the sky said awhile ago. About slipping back into a blue pill mindset or even routine. It’s a hell of day out here grateful to be here.” Old habits die hard. But they do die. And your killer’s knife gets keener with use. Let no tyrants live in your own head. Root the fuckers out. On that note, I’d like to thank everyone for your advice a few weeks back, to not get involved with the old one-itis chasing the manager. I disengaged entirely. Talk… Read more »

MikePhil
MikePhil
10 years ago

Softek – Good for you! I think we can all collectively go “WHEW” knowing you finally made it to the other side. Glad you made it. And know that this site is visited by men who will have nothing but advice, suggestions and their hard-won experience with women to share with you. I suggest you listen to ALL of it (and I mean ALL of it) and know that’s delivered to you with a lot of compassion and brotherly concern. Experience is the most valuable thing in the world, especially regarding women; if it’s given to you for free, BANK… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  MikePhil

@Andy
Validation equates me to the blue pill. I learned from my own demons that it’s counter intuitive.

@Forge the sky
High five from the east the sky’s raining out here good day for a run.

Been journaling gets me away from those familiar demons. Those lips I still remember her lips…

@Mikephil
“I don’t know you, and don’t know where you are in the world, but I’ll have a pint in your honor tonight for a job well done.”
Here here!!

teddj4g
teddj4g
10 years ago

Softek – Virtual fist bump!

and yeah, lay off any of that “how was it?” stuff. I get it. I spent most of my life far too concerned with how it was for her, and barely any time making it more fun for me. Sad part is? Making it more fun for me makes it more fun for her by default. I was fighting a win-win situation! (I’ve always exceeded at being my own worst enemy.)

Gratz on the score. Now do it again. 😉

fartofseduction
10 years ago

@Softek, Read about your success this morning, well fucking done. You are getting a lot of advice so I won’t bother going too deep. Avoid oneitis, use basic text/phone game for setting up more one on one time, find more plates. Never tell a girl the details of your sexual history. I understand your inclination, but game is game, never do this again. She might want to stick around for more sex, or even some kind of relationship, maybe she won’t. Depends, you did not give many details about her and how you ended up at your place. My first… Read more »

Lucien
Lucien
10 years ago

@ keyserSoze “And when it comes to settling, start all over again and get a Dog.” Over time, nothing is sexier. “Time and time again women have performed crazy stunts to get my attention and as soon as they feel that if they wanted me, they could get me, they cut me off” Yeah, I dealt with a lot of that sh*t man. All they want is attention and validation. They don’t need sex like we do. I just wanna be like, b*tch, this isn’t a f*cking game to me! Haha. And then I think about how, if we were… Read more »

Softek
Softek
10 years ago

Can I have some clarification on why you never discuss your sexual history with women? I’m not arguing against it, I just want clarification on why exactly this is such a bad idea. I’ve done that a lot in the past and I’m wondering how and why it could’ve fucked up my chances so much and/or completely ruined something. As for the rest, I have a lot to process. But I love this. The support and the critique. It reminds me of my mentor. The harshest of criticism is nothing compared to what it can protect you from. I’d rather… Read more »

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
10 years ago

Softek, that’s the beauty of this community of men. It’s a male space and it’s supportive. Together, we figure this shit out and the FI-imposed scales fall from our eyes. We win as a team, albeit a loosely connected, electronically connected one. If you win, I and everyone else wins, too. Enlightened self-interest. It works.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

“Can I have some clarification on why you never discuss your sexual history with women?”

1) the fantasy is typically better than the reality. Especially for incels. Her imagination is the biggest tool in your toolbox.
2) she doesn’t want some dude blabbing her sexual exploits all around. So be discreet.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

Oh, also:

3) sex isn’t some huge deal to you. It just happens sometimes, crazy huh? Like magic.

Blaximus
Blaximus
10 years ago

Also, I’ve learned that ” sharing ” too much of what you think, what you feel, and how you see things is in general, a bad move. Let women discuss things with each other. They like that. But once you get in the habit of sharing too much with a woman you’re in an LTR or just banging, they start to see you differently. Eventually your overt communication will lead to your ultimate downfall and failure. There are always exceptions to this line of thought, but you can’t tell right away. Believe it or not, men understand feelings , male… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
10 years ago

If you want her to know something, show her. Demonstrate..etc. etc. etc.

Luxocrat
Luxocrat
10 years ago

Check out the twisted hypergamy here in NY (on Long Island, a hot bed of older, lonely housewives)

51 year-old teacher w/vice-chairmanship sexually harrasses male staffers, calls them FILFs –

http://nypost.com/2015/08/24/male-staff-claim-sex-obsessed-teacher-sexually-harasses-them/

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
10 years ago

@Luxocrat

I get that shit a lot from cougars lately. Trying to qualify themselves to a younger man. Recently, one asked me, “I don’t look bad for 55. You would do me, right?” I replied, “Nope. Time to retire, grandma.” She didn’t like that.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

“51 year-old teacher . . .”

. . . who doesn’t look a day over 70.

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