https://twitter.com/BroHumors/status/589900393632690178
I apologize in advance for dropping this now, but I felt it would benefit my college age readers at this time. Your regularly scheduled introspectives will resume shortly.
I had this clip tweeted to me this morning and it reminded me of a very old post I started on SoSuave with regard to the statistical probabilities of a breakup throughout the year. Keep in mind, these stats were from a survey 5 years ago.
I watched a TED talk the other day from David McCandless called “The beauty of data visualizations“. It was quite amazing and included lots of different datasets. One of them was about Facebook and breakups. David and his team scanned over 10 000 status-updates and set out to learn more about when people broke up.
This is what they learned:
- A big peak right before Spring Break
- Most breakups are announced on Mondays
- People like to start the summer being single
- A big peak right before Christmas
- The lowest day throughout the whole year is Christmas Day (thank God)
Back when I first published Wait For It? (it was actually based on a much older post I did on SoSuave) I took a lot of shit for suggesting women in the proper ovulatory disposition were more than open to casual sex with the right guy, in the right place, in the right time:
Iron Rule of Tomassi #3
Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.
When a woman makes you wait for sex you are not her highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It’s sex first, then relationship, not the other way around. A woman who wants to fuck you will find a way to fuck you. She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work – women who want to fuck will find a way to fuck. The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable and wants a relationship first is the same girl who fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break just half an hour after meeting him.
If I have an addendum to this it would be that, in light of the growing pride women are taking in Open Hypergamy today, women in their Party Years actively schedule their “casual” indiscretions. Those mate guarding instincts you feel with your “great girlfriend” around Spring Break? They’re not for nothing. You can choose to ignore your gut, but understand those instincts get triggered for a reason.
Standard caveats apply of course – self-conscious (or not drunk enough) Quality Girlfriend® at 0:11 duly noted.
This may seem like so much red meat for my younger readership, but it does illustrate a point I made about women following the Sandberg Plan in their party years. Young man, remember this clip when your Quality Girlfriend® comes back to campus next week and says “I don’t know what happened. I’m not usually like that. I was drunk, he was cute and well,…one thing led to another.”
Remember this clip when when you’re this side of 30 and the 29 year old woman you’re dating is going through her Epiphany Phase and trying to “do the right thing” tells you, “I used to be a different person back in college” and presses you to ‘Man Up’ with an ultimatum for marriage. It may not be as damning as, I don’t know, finding an amateur porn video of her, but you’ll have a better idea of the context of the time line I detailed in Preventive Medicine.
Remember what I’ve written about proactive cuckoldry.
Remember that even if your great girlfriend / wife would never do such things, her girlfriends likely did and regaled her with all the stories about it during her own party years.
Remember this when you’re helping to pay off your wife’s student loans and the credit card debt she accrued buying the hot little thong she bought just for Spring Break.
So, plan accordingly, respond appropriately and never forget…
Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.
Here’s my go at Futurism. THE GHOST OF RELATIONSHIPS PAST At the age of 30 in 1930 Mr. & Mrs. Average had been married 11 years and their eldest child was 10, the middle kids were 8 and 6, the little ones were 4 and 2, and one more was on the way. At 42 in 1942 they bounced their first grand-baby on their knees. At 50 in 1950 all their children except the very youngest were married and they had a brood of grand-children who gathered ’round the Sunday table. At 75 in 1975 they died, surrounded by children,… Read more »
True Red Pill internalization requires the drive to live his life in a selfish, unapologetic way. That will never be how most men live. Most always require social convention for the predictable “right way”. Hypergamy is just a screen for those
Update on the round table: grabbed audio gear I needed and found a host that should host domain and server anonymously. I hope to have everything up and running by this weekend, maybe do a more informal test Sunday afternoon with a few folks. Shooting for next weekend being the first real run. Anyone interested in participating should make sure they have a good pair of headphones and mic for their computer. I’ll be working to maintain anonymity for all participants and try to come up with an enjoyable format and ground rules. Really starting to look forward to this;… Read more »
@Thoroughbred – Let me be clear about the massage bit. It’s naked and is not an “escalation” – it’s way of creating a high degree of arousal. I also don’t do it all the time. It’s just a nice trick to have up your sleeve, and I just did it last night – I swear – with my young spinner. That’s why I brought it up, lol. She was all wound up and undressed but really chatty and would not keep the focus on sex. When I offered to help her wind down and massage her, she jumped at it.… Read more »
Watching that video, as well as the usual exposure to MSM, internet, music videos, movies etc – it makes me seethe that the FI has managed to brainwash the vast majority of the planet that it is Men and only Men with uncontrollable sex drives fucking women at any given opportunity – when in reality, it’s the women that opportunistically fuck whenever they feel like it.
@Anonymous – Welcome. Wow, that’s a lot to deal with I’m sure. I can totally get you not wanting to lose your children, but then again, at what cost? Your happiness for the rest of your life? Hard choices, and being a non-custodial Dad myself I’m the last to advise you to divorce. But here’s what I think you need to consider. Your guilt changes none of what you did. It wasn’t a “mistake” – this is the kind of thing women do to mentally erase their past behavior instead of owning it. I mean, you liked fucking this hot,… Read more »
@Sun Wukong
Heh, I’m such an ass. I actually want to encourage this sort of thing, maybe even participate… but the first thing that came to mind reading this is the final shootout scene in “Grosse Pointe Blank” where Cusack’s character asks if there’s going to be “meetings” for the assassins union that Akroyd’s character was starting.
heh..
TBH, I would like to at least listen in, if not participate. Though honestly if you get enough guys I can’t see how order might be maintained.
@Jeremy
Though honestly if you get enough guys I can’t see how order might be maintained.
I have ways. Oh yes, I have ways…
Anonymous, I lean toward not telling your wife just because of how it might, and most likely will, totally ruin your marriage and dissolve your family. Imagine how incredibly hurt she will be, and then times that by 100 billion and imagine how devastating this will be for your kids. Forget about it, move on, and focus on creating a wonderful marriage with your wife and a great life going forward with your kids. Throw yourself completely into your family, especially your innocent, unsuspecting, totally trusting kids. IGNORE Glenn’s advice entirely. “guilt is perhaps the most useless emotion of all.’… Read more »
@MYG, Have you seen the yoga pants women are wearing now? No more revealing then jeans? Seriously? Women coordinate the panties they (may) wear to show off through their yoga pants. They talk about it amongst themselves. They buy shit to sculpt their asses for you to look at in their yoga pants. Spanx. Mostly women are seeming to call these “leggings” though. Men all seem to call them yoga pants. @Glenn, The longest plate I let spin last year I only bothered with because she was a massage therapist. And she would give me “full” body work. She was… Read more »
This is too good not to share here:
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/a30bcg/inside-amy-schumer-last-f–kable-day—uncensored
Men who would rather sneak around on the sly than own their poly-sexuality and openly engage in it without guilt and shame are self-haters.
Mmmm I agree with most of this, but I partially disagree with @Rollo’s idea that “any girl who makes you wait for sex is not worth it”. For the most part yes I agree, except for a couple circumstances: A) if the girl is religious and/or has only had 1 other sex partner in her life. AND probably the biggest exception: B) if you got her into you bed within 1 hour and therefore you hadn’t done info “gaming” (I.e comfort building and DHV’ing) I’ve been with a girl who I got in my bed in college within 1 hr… Read more »
***enough
My bad on that typo
@MYG
The hamster is strong with that pair.
Man with another attractive woman = social proof in another woman’s eyes.
These chicks are projecting that so hard on to guys.
@StringsofCoins Still not surprised, but still sad you couldn’t find a place that really worked for you. I honestly think that for the Christianity-minded Red Piller, the church (whichever one it might be) just ain’t the place to get what you need. Having the spiritual beliefs is cool and all if it works for you, but the church/religion just lays a bunch of social structure on top of that in an attempt to co-opt it for money and pushing social standards on to people. In the modern case, that message is a lot of the standard FI bullshit as you’re… Read more »
@Anonymous You are experiencing the pangs of the 20% beta that is still in you. You are still ashamed of your true nature. A man is sexual and selfish and should not apologize for it. The woman is in his life to serve a purpose and deep down, only wants to do that. That love, attachment and guilt that you are feeling are just idealizations in your head. Neither your wife or mistress has them. Trust me on that one. Until recently, I thought I was just an idealistic Alpha. There is no such thing. There is only an Unapologetic… Read more »
Rollo, over the past 2.5 years you and CH have completely opened my eyes… Everything w/ women is so predictable now and my blood pressure is way down as is my frustration level. I learned about you at 25, I would have gladly paid 10 grand to have read about you 5 years sooner. I would not have destroyed a promising career as I was a top ranked scientist with an impressive resume for my age that was utterly destroyed over a girl… I always suspected some of this stuff and had even read Baumeister’s work long before I ever… Read more »
[…] Spring Break | […]
Red Pill is going “mainstream’ – but it doesn’t matter – the femcentric MSM & white knights will ridicule it regardless.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/peter-lloyd-this-morning-feminist–5558068
Thank God for MadYaleGrad, where would we be without him? @MadYaleGrad – You do realize advertising your Ivy degree in your name identifies you as a bit of a douche, yes? Just checking…As for your blithering commentary, just know many of us find you amusing as you wretch up your personal opinions as though we are supposed to see them as received wisdom (only in your mind). But hey, keep lecturing us all as though you have the standing to correct me and others here – it’s the internet after all. Yawn. You see, you adopt a pseudo-scientific pose, I… Read more »
@Stringofcoins – I’d like a crotch-bangle update, please. Have you tried a crotch bangled crucifix out on the churchladies? Great commentary, btw, thanks.
@NewYorker – I’m going to just repost your comment in it’s entirety in case anyone missed it – it’s simply gold. “You are experiencing the pangs of the 20% beta that is still in you. You are still ashamed of your true nature. A man is sexual and selfish and should not apologize for it. The woman is in his life to serve a purpose and deep down, only wants to do that. That love, attachment and guilt that you are feeling are just idealizations in your head. Neither your wife or mistress has them. Trust me on that one.… Read more »
@ Glenn / @ New Yorker Thank you for your comments. I understand what you’re saying, but my guilt is a result of breaking my vow, perhaps the most important vow I’ve ever made. If I promised something to my kids, and didn’t keep my word, I’d feel guilt, albeit not to this degree. I judge people based on their words and deeds. My pool of friends is small and purposefully so. I don’t judge their lifestyles and they range from apex alphas to the devoutly pious, but they all have one thing in common: we speak the unadulterated truth… Read more »
@Anonymous The real contract with a woman is to not divert resources from the family. That is your vow. While it would be great if you could stay sexually monogamous in an authentic way whereby your wife satisfies all those needs, there is no way that it can be held up as the standard. What you should not do is tell her and compromise your home situation because while your nature is your nature, there is no reason to hurt this woman and make your family’s life more difficult. Being a man is pursuing your objectives while being honest with… Read more »
@ Glenn / @ New Yorker Truthfully? There are moments where my life would be different and perhaps I’d change it, but not at the cost of my son and daughter. You make valid points. We will see what the future holds. It’s very difficult to ignore the high I feel at making a beautiful woman laugh. No strings, no emotional investments, just looking a beautiful woman in the eye and making a witty jest in passing. It blows their mind to be looked at without fear or awe or any sort of “need”. When I see women for what… Read more »
There is nothing harder than to see the harshest of the Red Pill in your own woman that you love. Once you internalize it though, everything becomes easy and clear. Confessing a sexual affair is an acknowledgement of betatude and shame of your own sexuality and will strike her at a subconscious level….THIS IS WHAT WILL HURT HER…NOT THE SEX. Do what you do, live your life for you, and she will be happy as can be. Just remember that your whole relationship is governed by her attraction to you…..not your subscription to any equalist notions.
@Anonymous Your story should be considered a blue to red pill case study. It’s almost all in there. I’ll be honest. I like the blue pill fantasy. I would love to be married to an intellectual equal that I could share my deepest thoughts and feelings with. Someone I could stay faithful to, and would in turn stay faithful to me. Of course the sex would stay great forever. Unfortunately, that is all bulshit. Glen makes an important point. She broke the vows first. Your admiration for your wife is all well and good, but all of that stuff you… Read more »
“Your woman will love and respect you for being such a man and has no desire for full disclosure.” For me personally, this was the biggest epiphany of all. I actually overheard my wife say very similar words in a blabfest with a bunch of her friends discussing other men’s infidelities. Her exact words, “I just don’t want to know.” It’s either been written here or at Heartiste (can’t recall which) that women want to know that their men are desired by other women and fully capable of fucking them. They may not actually WANT you to do it, but… Read more »
@Thoroughbred http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/10/the-threat/ @Glenn I think if I ever bothered to marry at this point, the vows would include a line about “… and so help me if this bitch ever thinks she can stop putting out, I’m gone.” Marriage really is about sexual access to men; men trade commitment for sex. How the hell else are we going to produce children that are ours? It really amazes me that so many guys watch the sex disappear (which is the whole thing their commitment was based on) then feel bad if they even think about cheating. Dread works for a reason.… Read more »
@ Rollo
Rollo Tomassi
April 22nd, 2015 at 11:18 am
@Chester,
So, plan accordingly, respond appropriately and never forget…
Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.
Knowing is half the battle. What you choose to do with that knowledge is up to you.
—
That is not not what I asked neither what I was pointing towards; you know it and you are deflecting again
I will leave you to it. No need for me to drag on this any further.
How do you reconcile this post with the previous one where you imply that we have no choice but to practice game and marry them anyway, since men take all the risks? If you think I’m implying you do anything you’re mistaken. You will practice Game in some manner; how effective that Game is is a matter of your awareness of Red Pill truths. I in no way said you “must” marry any woman, but there is an idealistic want for men to do so. So if they do, they should bear in mind those harsh truths. We have to… Read more »
@ Is @ Thorough As I replay everything that’s transpired, I see I was seeking the validation I was denied (not justifying my actions, just stating reality). Funny thing, the first time the paramour threw herself at me, I didn’t take her up on the offer…it was only later. It was never really about the sex. For reasons that are my own, I rarely let anyone get close to me. My charm and wit are skin deep. I let my guard down around my wife and eventually, was punished. I let my guard down again, and was punished with the… Read more »
Anonymous, “Thank you for your comments. I understand what you’re saying, but my guilt is a result of breaking my vow, perhaps the most important vow I’ve ever made. If I promised something to my kids, and didn’t keep my word, I’d feel guilt, albeit not to this degree. I judge people based on their words and deeds. My pool of friends is small and purposefully so. I don’t judge their lifestyles and they range from apex alphas to the devoutly pious, but they all have one thing in common: we speak the unadulterated truth to one another and they… Read more »
@Rollo
It’s pretty clear he’s at the anger phase and just wants to take it out on something/someone. Never pretty.
There’s nothing to reconcile.
If anything viscerally coming to terms with the way women are, especially in their Party Years on Spring Break, should only reinforce men’s managing their expectations of women.
“There’s nothing to reconcile.
If anything viscerally coming to terms with the way women are, especially in their Party Years on Spring Break, should only reinforce men’s managing their expectations of women.”
– Precisely. And that’s why the hot Latina wife encourages her hubby to leave home for a few days, Thoroughbred. 😉
@MYG I’ve been reading this blog for a few years now and only at this moment has the bafoonery of your comments prompted me to post a reply. Normally I’m content to just read along in the comment section. Usually any idea or comment I’d have here will normally be covered and discussed before I get around to posting. I take offense to your calling commenters here ” the peanut gallery “. After reading your spouting off repeatedly ( evidently you just like to see your thoughts in print…) I will suggest, as nicely as possible, that you backdafucup and… Read more »
“Damn Rollo… Thoroughly depressing. ”
While a good mentor may save a few good men, a mentor is not a saviour of all men. The moment he begins to think so he ceases to be a good mentor.
Abandon all hope of egalitarianism, ye who enter here.
Here you find the keys to becoming something that used to be a matter of pride, but has been dragged through the dirt of late:
Elite.
@Blaximus
I’ve been content to just sit back and let him provide the rope by which he’ll later be hung. Announcing Ivy League cred while spewing shit that’s just wrong makes that rope particularly… high quality.
@Sun
Yup.
My Dad used to say that a person can be so educated that it makes them stupid.
” spewing shit that’s just wrong ” Wrong? Are you saying that polyamory and open marriage will not be more accepted, perhaps even almost common, 60 or so years from now? Do you envision a return to the pre-industrial, subsistence farming model of family formation? A brief study of history shows that monogamy was never, is not now, and most likely will never be, the only relationship model for humans. It has always existed alongside various types of polygamy. I’m a family-oriented traditionalist at heart but I’m under no illusion that monogamy has ever been or will ever be the… Read more »
Most eyes reading this won’t be here in 60 years. Zero fucks given.
If society would impose restrictions on hypergamy, you would witness a monumental shift. No, we wouldn’t return to pre-industrial mindset. Your talking about apples and oranges with that b.s..
You can be a trad family oriented guy, but I’d wager that a better understanding of the FI and hypergamt unleashed would save most men a world of hurt.
…. and in the end, that’s what’s important here.
As I stated yesterday, I don’t envision any kind of open marriage evolution in the future. If anything, equalism and a hardline enforcement of the Feminine Imperative will only further separate and isolate the sexes. There wont be any “open marriages” because there wont be any marriage between functional equals who are presumed to be independent, self-sufficient and autonomous from each other. Men will fuck women. Women will raise the children and the fathers (if they can be determined) will provide materiel support with only marginal personal interests in the child. There will be a functional independence between father and… Read more »
This is the utopia feminism envisions.
Remove the Man
@ Rollo
Well…..even Nazi Germany fell.
The scenarios you outline above are apparent right now, to a great extent.
Something so evil may just collapse under it’s own weight when enough of it’s victims ( us ) become self aware.
That scenario would be possible because men became self-aware.
“You can be a trad family oriented guy, but I’d wager that a better understanding of the FI and hypergamt unleashed would save most men a world of hurt.” That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Humans by nature are not monogamous. Hypergamous, polygamous, yeah. But strict rules and “wedding VOWS” had to be enforced to make the majority of us lifelong monogamists. Men can be saved from “a world of hurt” by not expecting or trying to enforce a lifelong monogamous model onto women (and vice versa). I’m not saying we are not inclined to pair-bond, even for life. We… Read more »
“Well…..even Nazi Germany fell.”
It was first allowed to rise by coddling it. It did not fall by its own weight, it was pushed, but it was only pushed after it became necessary for tens of millions of men to die in order to topple it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPpsI8mWKmg
The pinnacle.
Ah, just noticed someone else already posted this.
@Rollo
Women will raise the children and the fathers (if they can be determined) will provide materiel support with only marginal personal interests in the child.
The fathers will provide even if they can’t be determined. France has already shown us the future there.
This is why I enjoy women, and really don’t care about what happens to them after I’m done with them. They get what they want – I get what I want. Plain and simple. Of course any guy that ever forgets women are to f**k and enjoy, and move on to the next one, deserves everything he gets. So use them, and move on, if you don’t, you’ll be the guy that has a girlfriend out f**king other guys. So take your choice – be the guy that f**ks all the hot chicks, or the guy that gets f**ked over… Read more »
@Just Saying
Why censor the word fuck if you’re thinking it and implying enough to put that word in our heads? That’s fucking stupid.
Re: Rollo’s prognostication We are already there in very large ways. I was played for a long time so I would keep believing that I was the father figure in my daughter’s life when in fact I was being undermined non-stop. My daughter played along after a while too as I guess it was just easier to treat me like I was Dad when I was around. You see, this kept the cash flowing. I paid for her entire upbringing. My ex and the stepdad didn’t spend a dime raising her. Just to say it again, cuz nobody seems to… Read more »
@Yale You are advocating an honesty that very few women and men are ready for. Almost nobody wants full disclosure. Citizens don’t want to know whom their governments are killing to ensure their safety and wives don’t want to know whom their men are fucking. Deep down, they know it is nature…..but they don’t want to talk about it. Men who want to protect their families know that. Honesty is necessary on crucial points. Whom a man wants to fuck to satisfy his lust….not a big deal in the grand scheme of things….is not one of those things. A woman… Read more »
For a woman, honesty means whether a man is still dominant…not whether he tells her everything. If you want to be honest with a woman, stay as authentic as you were when you met her. This has nothing to do with whom you choose to fuck. A woman will be proud to be with a man who can have a harem….and won’t want to know the details.
@SunWukong, AWALT (Asians). Yeah, I wouldn’t glorify marriage with an Asian. I wouldn’t want to be in the 12th year of marriage to a Korean for example and have her –insist my 6 year old take 4 hours of violin lessons a day –start to bitch at me when her fellow Korean friends’ husbands start to come into the earning phase of their opthalmology careers –have her racist parents constantly try to lure her back to the homeland –be mystified why I want sex even though she’s birthed the two kids we planned on. Marriage to Asians is often a… Read more »
@Glen, I have read every comment you have made. I am feeling your pain with my own children. I have tried to talk to people about how my fatherhood has been murdered and my only response has been to murder my own fatherhood instincts. Not because I want to do such a thing. Simply so I can remain alive. Yet they all just want to make sure I’m giving enough money to the worthless cunt who cheated on me for my entire “marriage”. Your pain has not been for nothing. I have felt your pain many times. I feel your… Read more »
@Bromeo,
Loved the vid. Watch as the previously undefeated Hamster gets its first bitch slapping from the realities of nature. For the first time in their lives, these ladies can no longer simply dictate that they will feel however they want to feel and that the world will simply shape-shift in accommodation of whatever feeling they want. Not this time; not with aging.
@Glenn
I may have wet tee shirt contests on my front lawn to see who gets to eat dinner with me that night, lol.
Fuckin’ hell, bbq at Glenn’s place. I’ll bring the beer.
StringsofCoins – Here’s a website you might want to look at:
https://wimminz.wordpress.com/
@StringofCrotchBangles – So what, no bangle update? Yeah, I murdered fatherhood too and yeah, almost nobody can be with that. Fuck that too, ya know? Only someone who’s been fucked for decades and played and used and then discarded can really get it. Let me try to put it simply. The loss of my daughter was killing me. I literally could not figure out how to go on. I could not conceive of having lost her and of being a father. After a year of agony, and many suicidal thoughts, I realized I had to stand up for myself first,… Read more »
String of Coins, “I’m not going to waste my life paying lawyers and judges (and their friends) so that I can visit with my own children four times a month. ” – I don’t blame you man. Can’t you just visit them without paying anyone? They are your kids too. You don’t need permission from some judge to visit your uncle so why do you need it to see your own kids? Rollo, “I don’t envision any kind of open marriage evolution in the future. If anything, equalism and a hardline enforcement of the Feminine Imperative will only further separate… Read more »
@Signor Having dated two relatively average/poor country chick FOBs from China, I can say they act pretty much the same. Don’t get me wrong, they were both pretty cute, dreaded getting fat, and unlike the chicks from here knew how to cook (the one from Sichuan quite well in fact). But their behavior? One gave me my first experience with leaving for my best friend. The other turned out to have a box of crazy lying in wait for me to discover and boot her after a year and a half together. AWALT. Only reason to date Asian chicks is… Read more »
@MYG, They don’t enforce visitation. I see my kids whenever I can but without an endless transfer of money from me to lawyers, judges, and their friends, they will not enforce my visiting from the prison of fatherhood. My lovely ex, and lovely is a strong word for me, a painful one, knows what she can do and she does it on purpose. Feminism is child abuse. I’ve written about it before and I stand by that statement. Feminism is child abuse. I keep a private blog for my children. Full of videos, proof, real facts, and the reality of… Read more »
@MYG, you write like you’ve never been stuck in the married hell some of us have. I hope that is true, but please stop with the morality lectures. The guys you are referring to as only caring about themselves are doing so after decades of “doing” and “being” for everyone but themselves. It got them nowhere. Regarding caring about the children, I speak only about male children. The last thing a caring father could do, having taken the red pill far too late in life, is to pass his betatude on to his son. I don’t think this is your… Read more »
@All – The best thing about the mouse I use is that it has a scroll wheel so every time I see some more pseudo-intellectual, pompous, ignorant dreck being puked by this fucking punk, MadYaleGrad, I can just roll by. Am I the only one who gets a whiff of entitlement from him? He barges in here with his sophomoric personal-pan-philosophical take on this subject matter, as though we have been the worse for his absence all this time, but most of what he says reveals that he’s got nothing new to say, and has a very superficial take on… Read more »
Glenn,
“His…”?
MYD is a womyn troll poser. Can’t everyone see it?
Meant MYG…..
RE: open marriages. Great for women. Not for men. The entire point of opening up a marriage is to let the participants have sex outside the marriage. Great for women because it is much, much easier for the average woman to get sex than it is for the average man. If Mrs. deti ever even so much as suggested opening up our marriage, I’d reply “you can have sex with anyone you want. You’ll be doing it as a divorced woman.” And the divorce papers would be on file the next day. You see, if a wife ever suggests opening… Read more »
@Glenn
I think that mentally, we are always alone. However, there are good people with whom we can share our lives, including women. That’s what happiness means to me at its most fundamental level. Enjoying your experience and bringing other like-minded being along for the ride. I feel for your situation with your daughter. My identity used to be that of a dad. I love parenting my little guy but it is now on my terms and it feels so much more authentic and better. I wish you all the luck in reclaiming your life for you.
@ Rollo: “As I stated yesterday, I don’t envision any kind of open marriage evolution in the future. If anything, equalism and a hardline enforcement of the Feminine Imperative will only further separate and isolate the sexes. “There wont be any “open marriages” because there wont be any marriage between functional equals who are presumed to be independent, self-sufficient and autonomous from each other. “Men will fuck women. Women will raise the children and the fathers (if they can be determined) will provide materiel support with only marginal personal interests in the child. “There will be a functional independence between… Read more »
@thedeti RE: open marriages. Great for women. Not for men. This. So so fucking much this. Even as a Blue Pill I could see this shit really clearly. If she’s suggesting open marriage, she realizes exactly this, is telling you sex with you is boring, and is looking to truly optimize her hypergamy by keeping simultaneous AF/BB even during her greatest provisioning needs. If Mrs. deti ever even so much as suggested opening up our marriage, I’d reply “you can have sex with anyone you want. You’ll be doing it as a divorced woman.” And the divorce papers would be… Read more »
@thedeti The least attractive men (the bottom 70 to 80%) will retreat into a world of subsistence work, earning just enough to support themselves. They spend their copious leisure time with beer, weed, online porn, and video games. They live alone, or with roommates in apartments or houses. They have no incentive to be or do anything else. They aren’t attractive enough to attract a woman or keep her interest. Even if they improve themselves by the one or two SMV points they could by working out, getting better jobs and becoming more interesting men, they still can’t compete with… Read more »
Would supplement deti’s prophecies just a little bit. UMC divorces, when they do happen, are the most frustrating to witness or adjudicate because both sides have money to throw in to destroy the other spouse, all supposedly “for good of the children.” At least until they run out. The tells: repeated pile-high motions over who pays for special high-end schools, various therapies, vacations, trust funds, relocations to foreign countries or states, post-emancipation child support, and such. But the UMC is where marriage as we know it will still be a thing. One other side effect of gay marriage: those in… Read more »
A further add-on: the top 30% of men will do the fucking and be the baby daddies for society, yes. They may or may not try to “Do The Best I Can” for some or all of their offspring, who will be raised by the mothers will the help of the mother’s family. See: Teen Mom. But also add this: the Strong Indie Woman who can’t (or can no longer) crack the top 30% of men to father her Aryan Superbaby will still have the sperm bank from which to choose their GMO designer Gattaca (TM) model kids. I do… Read more »
“Men are garbage in today’s society”
@glenn
and specifically fathers are disposable in today’s society
Father’s Day cancelled to promote a diverse society
and even if you get to raise your daughters they still get all that the FI sells them as you pay for their education, and the respect vanishes, replaced by having to pay and pay in various ways if you want to maintain contact
Fred Flange: Yep. UMC and UC divorces, when they happen, are all out war. That will continue. Gay men who “marry” have open marriages for the most part; that’s been my experience with gay friends and acquaintances. They are very honest about their mutual desire to have two-way open marriages where the “marriage” is the primary relationship and the two men are free to have sex on the side with other men. As for Lesbians, it’s not been my experience that they have open “marriages”. And lesbian bed death results usually from the “femme” partner losing attraction; or the “butch”… Read more »
@MYG, this is the end game of your open marriage utopia:
http://therationalmale.com/2015/03/16/making-up-for-missing-out/
@Deti, have a read of this:
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/white_working_class_women_should_stay_single_mothers_argue_the_authors_of.html
@ Rollo- “No one seizes power with the intent to relinquish it. Assuming men have the balls to fight the Feminine Imperative for a male form of birth control that is as unilaterally controlled as women’s is now, this might return some influence in men’s part in Hypergamy, but only insofar as women can afford to be autonomous from men’s provisioning.” If we must rely on something else other than ourselves such as unilaterally male controlled birth control to facilitate exercising our power and control over the FI, then male power without such support is too weak to overcome the… Read more »
You and I will be long gone before this plays all the way out. And it is going to get much, much, MUCH worse before it gets better. We haven’t seen anything yet. From a political, economic, social, military, and cultural standpoint, this country is going to take it up the ass, unlubed, with a spike-studded baseball bat. Oh, yes, it will. One noticeable rule throughout history is that societies in decline tend to accelerate that very process, usually as a result of measures intended to mitigate it. So yes, I also expect that all current negative trends discussed in… Read more »
Correction: History has to run its course.
Anonymous “I won’t tell her, I’ve lied flatly to her face. She was never vicious, but what was between us in the beginning had died. It’s now resurrected to an extent and I’m hopeful that between the two of us putting a renewed effort into the relationship, that it’ll be fine. I didn’t lie to protect my wealth or even to protect her feelings, but purely out of protecting my children. Even if she knew and decided to stay with me, the tension in the home would’ve been unbearable. So I’ll do what’s necessary and use the experience to better… Read more »
@Dragonfly
“And even then… your fixing something you deliberately broke.”
Shame him, shame him, shame him
You go gurl!
Like the article that Rollo posted about single white women staying single and rejecting men… if they saw their parent’s marriage as a failure (even in feeling), then like the article insinuated, they won’t find any men worth making that commitment to.
And the sexes will grow further apart, with the top tier men rejecting marriage because they ultimately choose their freedom. It’d be like if Anonymous had decided to just stay single (never been married), he would have been able to enjoy his freedom and not contribute to the cycle of degradation.
@Dragonfly, women don’t like to confront questions like this because of the default presumption of female-correctness, but how much blame can we assign of all that family fallout to this guy’s wife for incentivizing him to cheat on her by keeping him sexless? How much admonition will a woman receive for not considering all of what you wrote for essentially pushing her husband to look for sexual options outside their marriage? If I asked these questions of a Blue Pill man or women in mainstream society I’d be shamed for “blaming the victim”, but cheating only occurs when two factors… Read more »
“And even then… your fixing something you deliberately broke.”
Typically predictable shallow self serving “self preserving” we tend to frame everything in terms of our personal little bubble of self constructed awareness and ignore all other possibilities. Just cannot seem to escape ourselves and our prejudices can we? Solipsistic are we?
“Children know when couples love each other, and since you said that whatever was there at the beginning died, they pick up on that kind of thing. So affair or not, having a bad marriage (unfulfilling.. whatever you want to call it, it was bad enough for you to cheat) was already affecting your children.” – Not sure about that. Studies have shown that as long as there is no abuse or blatant hostility between the parents, kids think everything is fine and are often extremely surprised and hurt to hear something’s amiss and mom and dad are separating. Anonymous,… Read more »
It’d be like if Anonymous had decided to just stay single (never been married), he would have been able to enjoy his freedom and not contribute to the cycle of degradation.
Please explain how remaining single would have prevented “the cycle of degradation”.
lol NBTM…. anyone, at anytime practically (if their SMV is high enough) can choose to have an affair. It’s easy. I could do it. I could reject my vows to my husband and family. I could keep my amazing, wonderful, hot husband in the dark (bc I know he would leave and have lots LOTS of women after him if he knew). I could be like Anonymous and rationalize that decision to try to keep it secret. Keep him in the dark so that my boys never know I chose to be a slut, so that “it doesn’t affect them.”… Read more »
Dread is a helluva drug, but it’s interesting that this is a motivator of your fidelity.
Kind of a scorched earth policy marriage.
Not my motivator just the comparison of why he’s not telling her… he’s not telling her bc he knows what would happen would ultimately not benefit him.
@Yale Grad
“Not sure about that. Studies have shown that as long as there is no abuse or blatant hostility between the parents, kids think everything is fine and are often extremely surprised and hurt to hear something’s amiss and mom and dad are separating.”
Dragonfly is exactly correct about that one. Wait until you have kids to make your judgment. I can tell you from experience, they know.
@Dragonfly
“And even then… your fixing something you deliberately broke.”
Your statement directly holds anonymous responsible and at least implies he is exclusively the cause of “the damage” when you have almost no idea of the entire dynamic or history. You prejudge and him and cast exclusive blame upon him then claim you are “just speaking the truth”.
Apparently you are actually the God you claim to worship!
“Please explain how remaining single would have prevented “the cycle of degradation”.” He would not have broken his monogamous marriage vows. If he practiced safe sex he would not have had any children so there would be no affected children. Again it comes back to my original premise that maybe we should not be taking lifelong monogamous vows in the first place. Maybe humans should go into marriage understanding that we are not monogamous by nature, own that fact without shame, and commit to building a life with our partner where he or she doesn’t have to fear being totally… Read more »
@ Dragonfly Should everything ever come to light, perhaps I would be forgiven, perhaps not. If the guilt destroys me, so be it, but it will not be until my children have been raised lovingly and with a hand guided by the awful lessons I’ve learned. As if I wasn’t selfish enough, letting the guilt consume me before it’s time is only taking my selfishness one step further. To me, that is despicably weak. I was weak and selfish enough already, yes? Some men can do what must be done, regardless of the cost to themselves. Some men can compartmentalize… Read more »
@Dragonfly
Something isn’t making sense.
Your posts are filled with a lot of blather about how hot your husband is, how hot you are, how great your relationship is and you present yourself as quite the hot mother goddess type.
Since you seem to be so magnanimous and living such a wonderful and sexually magnanimous life, why the fuck are you even bothering to read this stuff here or write comments here.
It REALLY perplexes me.
“lol NBTM…. anyone, at anytime practically (if their SMV is high enough) can choose to have an affair. It’s easy. I could do it. I could reject my vows to my husband and family. I could keep my amazing, wonderful, hot husband in the dark (bc I know he would leave and have lots LOTS of women after him if he knew). I could be like Anonymous and rationalize that decision to try to keep it secret. Keep him in the dark so that my boys never know I chose to be a slut, so that “it doesn’t affect them.”… Read more »
@Yale Grad
He would not have broken his monogamous marriage vows.
….And you really believe THAT would have stopped or prevented the cycle of degradation?
Marriage is a legal contract first and foremost. Everything else that people pretend about it is less consequential in reality; but perhaps not so inconsequential in their imaginations.
Remaining “faithful” to refrain from adultery is no hedge against his frustration and his suffering or hers. The marriage vow is not a guarantee of self fulfillment, sexual nirvana, or personal growth and certainly no guarantee that either party will be happy.
Anonymous, “The chances are very high that what you’ve described would occur in my family should I confess everything. Better that I be consumed than they.”
Yes! That’s my point exactly. No need to risk hurting them and breaking up a family just because we humans are not monogamous by nature but we’ve collectively swallowed the kook aid that somehow we are.
I wish you and your family all the love and happiness in the world, Anonymous.
@ MYG
I think I’m going to take you up on the offer. I’m not an overly religious man, but I do have a friend or two in the clergy. Airing my dirty laundry here has helped immensely; not in blurting it out but in reading the responses. A conscience can be a damnable thing, but the inverse is to ghastly for me to contemplate. Reminds me of Pacino’s speech in the Devil’s Advocate regarding it being like a bag of bricks.
@Yale Grad
“…….and won’t do again.” Please tell me my fortune.
“…..feels like shit over….” Will he continue or will he resume feeling like shit about his marriage enough to seek intimacy elsewhere? Please tell us his fortune concerning this also.
NBTM, “….And you really believe THAT would have stopped or prevented the cycle of degradation? Marriage is a legal contract first and foremost. Everything else that people pretend about it is less consequential in reality; but perhaps not so inconsequential in their imaginations. Remaining “faithful” to refrain from adultery is no hedge against his frustration and his suffering or hers. The marriage vow is not a guarantee of self fulfillment, sexual nirvana, or personal growth and certainly no guarantee that either party will be happy.” – Well that’s my point. Had he never taken monogamous marriage vows then “cheating” would… Read more »
“….all the love and happiness in the world” and other fluffy meaningless self aggrandizing words like that will not lead to self understanding and reconciliation any more than, chanting prayers, counting rosary beads, or dancing around wearing ju ju beads. Those things hide the truth.
So what do you suggest for him NBTM? That he confess to his wife, hurt her and their innocent children perhaps beyond repair, demolish his family, get divorced, lose custody, pay child support?
Anonymous, about it just not being the same anymore…
Donald Duck: “I began to notice a change in Daisy. What happened to this beautiful thing between us? Was this the wedded bliss I’d dreamed of? I was losing my identity. I had become a robot!”
Dragonfly: The guilt is going to destroy him? Really? You would like that, wouldn’t you. It would serve to reinforce to men that they better submit their inborn instincts to their wife’s ego… OR ELSE. Guilt is a conditioned feeling, like all are. Teach someone that something is wrong, and he will feel guilty for doing it. Clue him in that the moral system at the basis of that condemnation is fluid- never mind the judgement on the act itself- and the feelings of guilt will subside. Anonymous- what you did is done. And it wasn’t all that bad to… Read more »