One of the results of becoming Red Pill aware is a meta “awareness” of the feminine centric social order we live in today. On this side of the Red Pill it’s almost routine for me now to filter what’s presented to me in popular media, social doctrine or even casual conversation through a Red Pill lens.
Whether it’s the latest pop hit lyrics of a song my daughter is listening to in the bathroom, the latest movie or book, or just listening to someone rattle off an old Blue Pill trope in casual conversation, my sensitivity to how thoroughly immersed in fem-cetrism our society has become is overwhelming.
I’ve had guys in the manosphere joke with me that having this ‘lens’ is like having the special glasses that let you see the alien/zombies and propaganda in the movie They Live. While I get a laugh out of this I also have to think that those glasses never really come off. So when the holiday season comes around this awareness manifests itself more for me since I’m reacquainting myself with family and friends who are immersed in this Matrix and don’t realize they’re mouthing the meme’s and social focus of a feminine centric order.
I think it’s kind of ironic that during the holidays we’re expected to lock horns with our relatives over the latest generational/political/ideological differences, yet these all take place in a common, feminized social narrative. Your uncle may not agree with you politically, but he’ll slap you on the back while you both drink a beer and say, “Women ‘eh? I guess we’ll never figure ’em out” and expect you to have some common agreement with him in spite of those differences.
I bring this up today (and for this weekend’s discussion questions) because it was due to this seasonal Red Pill awareness that I was better prepared to appreciate the holiday classic, It’s a Wonderful Life from a Red Pill perspective.
I’d just returned from a work trip last week and my daughter informed me that the movie was being shown in our local metroplex theater on Christmas eve. I’d seen it before on TV with all the intermittent commercials, and remembered how tedious I thought it was (it’s a pretty long movie for 1946), but she insisted and I wanted to do something with the family. I’ve never watched the movie start to finish, and when I did pick up scenes on TV during Christmas time, it was long before I had any Red Pill inclination.
Needless to say I was shocked (pleasantly) by how thoroughly Red Pill I found it. If you want to see what a pre-sexual revolution gender dynamic is like, this is your movie. Yes, it’s idyllic, but that idealism is founded in a social order, an ‘old books‘ social order, that reveals what our new feminine-primary social order is today. It shows you what we’ve become, but unfortunately the greater whole of our contemporary society lack the special glasses to really appreciate this distinction.
Some notable scenes:
- George Bailey, the cab driver Ernie and the cop Bert ogle the sexy Violet Bick after she flirts with George and just flows down a busy street to be checked out all the more by every man on the street. In modern terms these men are all guilty of sexual harassment, but in 1928 (the film’s beginning) and viewed from a 1946 perspective of that time, there is nothing harassing about it. It’s de rigueur, and she enjoys the attention.
- The family interaction between George, his brother Harry, and their father with Ma Bailey just prior to Harry’s graduation party. There is matronly deference to their mother, but both of the boys are being boys and there is no expectation for them to settle down. Both the brothers are naturally, effortlessly, cocky & funny with the maid and their mother. This isn’t a forced attitude, it comes off as both positively masculine and fun at the same time. Also, their father is the respected head of the household, both by virtue of his social status and integrity as well as his position as ‘father’. Needless to say, he’s never ridiculed as the buffoon he’d be portrayed as on a post-sexual revolution social order, and in fact dispenses a wisdom that benefits George later in life.After the graduation party George and Mary walk home in the odd dry clothes they were able to find after having fallen into the school pool. Mary is in a bathrobe and George in a football outfit. This flirtation and interaction is perhaps one of the best examples I can think of as an old order form of Game. George is cocky, funny, confident, ambitious, playfully teasing and yet still conscious of Mary’s perception of him as he effortlessly delivers a positive, masculine vibe.Again, it’s idyllic, and men being the true romantics will want to believe such receptivity could actually take place without any confusion of signals with an idealized, Quality Woman woman like Mary, but it’s the atmosphere and the attitude of expecting Mary to respond to George’s delivery that belies the era this scene and story was written in. Nothing seems forced at all, and we don’t expect Mary to match George’s masculine Game with one of her own feminine-empowered forms of Game. From a Red Pill perspective, we want a gal like Mary to exist, but you wont find her in 2014.
These were just a few scenes I thought stood out, but this film is an essay in the old order social structure a lot of well meaning Red Pill advocates would like to believe is still a possibility.
In the last thread commenter Xsplat asked the question whether an Alpha man could also be a provider. His criticism of the manosphere is that Alpha men are being painted as caricatures of cads, assholes and bad boy players women want to bang as part of their Hypergamous mating protocol. Betas are the opposite of this; good for provisioning only – cuckolds to be used for parental investment with only a perfunctory servicing of mediocre ‘duty’ sex as an intermittent reward to keep him pulling the cart.
If there are caricatures of Alpha and Beta being drawn I’d suggest this is due more to women and their comfort with Open Hypergamy and men deductively modeling their gender expectations as a result. That said, Xsplat’s not wrong. It is entirely possible for an archetypal Alpha Man to be an upstanding member of society, provide for his family and be well respected both by his peers and his wife. The character of George Bailey is an old order example of exactly this kind of man.
In our era women have an unprecedented facility for providing for their own security need, but that doesn’t eliminate the root level, emotional need for optimizing Hypergamy with a man who is an Alpha provider. For the most part women simply don’t expect to find this optimization in the same man. There are men they want to fuck and men they want to consolidate monogamy with, and finding this satisfaction in the same man is so rare, so unexpected, that his character becomes unbelievable. The George Bailey of 1928 is an unbelievable character in 2014.
As I’ve illustrated in many a prior post, Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic. Just because the Alpha energy of a kid like Corey Worthington will get him laid without trying doesn’t preempt a woman from being aroused by, and attracted to a George Bailey. Context is king of course, but what matters is that self-interested Alpha mindset. While many a convicted felon possesses this mindset, and receives women’s sexual interests as a result of it, I’d still encourage men to use that Alpha energy to a positive, self-benefiting effect.
So the questions for this weekend are:
What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society? It’s dangerous to attempt to make others aware of this perception, but do you try anyway?
Do you see examples of the old order as I have in It’s a Wonderful Life? Understanding the idealisms inherent in it, what other examples of this old order to you know?
Alpha providers, while being an idealistic character, can exist, but are they realistic? I’d propose that embodying this role has become one of being seen too readily as a Beta by women due to the unbelievability of it. Does men’s romantic nature predispose them to thinking they can adequately fulfill this role? Does that romanticism expect women to be receptive and appreciative of it? Is that expectation on of investing in Relational Equity?
jf, this is from the classical definition of Alpha, not the hijacked PUA definition of alphalpha. Pay attention to what you are reading, and maybe turn off your “jf12” goggles before reading.
@Badpainter >All that aside the most critical, IMO, factor is the nations behind the iron curtain didn’t, or haven’t yet been fully corrupted by the strain of western feminism that insists women become men. Whether true or not, or to what degree, the ‘sphere holds the notion, that in Russia for example, men can still be men and are expected to be, whist women are still women. I can tell you this is somewhat correct. The key word is “fully”. The countries are getting more and more liberal by the year. The women here and not as bad as those… Read more »
And the “that’s not really alpah” chorus shows up.
I know nothing about Jimmy Stewart or any other actor, but they are actors and I think it is likely folks confuse their stage persona with the real man.
re: No True Alpha etc. The “classical” Alpha evidently is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent. None of which work with women. I know, being all classical an’ all myownself. The road to betahood is paved with good intentions, especially intentions to be good. Alpha also has NOTHING to do with a man “being a man” or “a man among men”, or a leader of men, or anything to do with his relating to men. I, and too too many other men, are fine leaders of men but women are awful towards us.… Read more »
George – “They end up extremely insecure bitter hags in short order.” This seems to be the case amongst all women who hold to the feminist notion of equalitarian relationships. And I think generates similar results amongst women who don’t actively subscribe to feminism but willingly accept the benefits of feminism. And I think it’s the career track reality that does it. A woman working outside the home must submit to the hierarchy of the work place. The workplace is the Alpha of her existance because it can and will dispose of her as soon as she is unwanted/not needed.… Read more »
To my thinking, in the man o sphere etc alpah has a particular meaning so we should go with it as a common reference for discussion which doesn’t imply it’s universally agreed to.
Once again, I am fair certain Rollo has addressed the tendency of men wanting to define alpha in such a way that it describes himself
I would sound ridiculous if I defined alpha as squats 700+; overhead presses 300+ etc etc.
@sfcton re: “the tendency of men wanting to define alpha in such a way that it describes himself”
For some men. For others, including a LOT of men here at Rollo’s, we define alpha as contrary to our natural nice guy beta tendencies. For example, anything I would tend to do reflexively with a woman is beta.
Reminder that I asked a question that nobody touched: Who are the teen girl pinups of today? In other words, who are the celebrity young girls that teen boys feel permitted to put up on their bedroom walls? Redpill question #1) Why aren’t there any teen girl pinups? Bonus redpill observation: A teen boy’s crushes are the ordinary girls-next-door, the girl sitting next to him in history class, the sister of his best friend, etc. Redpill question #2) Why haven’t you noticed? Why haven’t you thought it weird that there aren’t and *never* have been, “lad rags” actually marketed to… Read more »
@ jf12 “On the subject of why more men don’t naturally act alpha, remember that until recently acting alpha was very physically dangerous. You were likely to get in lots of fights and experience leadership conflict. Sleeping with women without committing to them would on the average make her father and brothers [and suitors or husband] want to kill you. “Just acting like an alpha wouldn’t be enough. You would need the actual skills, status, and resources to survive and thrive in these situations. This more precisely explains why pre-selection is so powerful. When a woman knows that other women… Read more »
@ Ares
Bring back dueling. Pistols at dawn might not change women but it would sure as hell change men, and clearly distinguish the poseurs from the rest.
Bring back dueling? I’m in
@Ares, I agree with that comment. That’s why I say alpha (bad boy) is the peacock tail: an attractive handicap.
Sfcton and others, if we cannot have a defined definition of words, which by the way is masculine, if we allow words to be co-opted to mean anything we want them to mean, which by the way is feminine, then like the Tower of Babble, we fall into a confusing choir of non-sense. By taking the classical meaning of Alpha, and perverting it to cover anything that leads to banging sluts, then we are following the female. I have no problem with guys banging sluts, please, fill your boots, I did. My problem is watching the masculine energy of the… Read more »
Bonecracker wants a Lawful Good Superman to be the Alpha who women adore for his character, but it’s the Chaotic Neutral Batman who gets women wet and makes Alpha Widows of while occasionally brining a bad guy to justice.
Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic. You can use that fire to warm your house and cook your food, or you can burn the house down and your neighbor’s along with it.
Women will spread their legs for the fire either way.
I think George and Badpainter bring forward an interesting hypothesis above: the idea that women are pursuing an AF/BB strategy so relentlessly not only because a man to exemplify both sides are so rare (though they are unusual), but because women would generally avoid such a man – because she would have no power over him, he would command all spheres. And modern women fear submission greatly, they’ve been trained to. And they’ve often enough never experienced it positively, with so many absent and beta father’s around. Just like how I, as a teenager who had never seen so much… Read more »
From http://no-maam.blogspot.ca/2012/06/keynesian-sexual-marketplace.html : “The Bonecrcker is different from much of the game-o-sphere in one key way: His definitions of Alpha, Beta & Omega are entirely different from the conventional definitions we are using today. I still believe that he is closer to the underlying “Truth” with his ordering of these definitions because he goes beyond merely “scoring” and a high partner count in his definitions, for he includes social status and the ability to co-operate with other men – in order to create power – as part of his definition of ‘alpha’. “Here are the definitions I learned it under,… Read more »
Alpha is a defined term for the top dog. It was never a defined term for getting woman wet only. That was a subset of being Alpha. Unfortunately, many in the sphere want to shrink the definition to a small particle of what it really means.
Why is that?
Re: jf12’s Redpill question #2
Ummmm…. Because unlike girls/women boys/men have no need of such carefully packaged images. We have actual porn, and don’t need a sterilized fully clothed version to create ambiguity as to whether or not we’re thinking about sex. We’re thinking about sex. Women aren’t generally capable of that sort of honesty, and neither are fathers when it comes to their daughters. I suspect open hypergamy in conjunction with internet porn will change that.
DeNihilist – “Why is that?”
Because in terms of solving the problem of how to be more successful and satisfied in relationships with women being a leader of men, being George Bailey, dosen’t generate results any better than having money, being “nice”, or just being yourself. As Rollo would say hypergamy doesn’t care about any of that.
Really?
http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/29/the-origin-of-alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/03/05/the-contextual-alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/21/defining-alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/20/the-warrior-gene-is-alpha-genetic/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/01/flashes-of-alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2014/11/02/alpha-tells/
Shall I go on expanding?
If anyone’s shrinking the definition of the term it’s men who insist that ‘Alpha’ be defined to serve their own self-image or whatever heroic character they’d idealize it for.
Ares, thanks, that is one hell of a read. Bookmarked.
I think you are missing my argument. Banging chicks is part of the Alpha experience, but just because you bang a lot of chicks, it does make you an Alpha. I agree with Bonecrcker here, nowadays, most guys who are getting high notch counts display more Omega tendencies in their general life then Alpha tendencies. So the Omegas want to confiscate the term to cover themselves in respectability. Very feminine. I think it is called rationalization. Alpha is not just who fucks more chicks. And if you really believe that women won’t fuck Omegas, only Alphas, then maybe peruse Ares… Read more »
Rollo, one more parable.
On my slow pitch team, I am the star. Even at 56 I can still hit em outta the park, turn the double play, etc. Yet I have never ever been approached by a Major League scout.
LOL – “does not make you”
@Badpainter re: “Because unlike girls/women boys/men have no need of such carefully packaged images.” The phenomenon of iconolatry is at least as male as female, even outside porn; starving men plaster their rooms with pictures/drawings of food at least as much as imprisoned men cover their walls with pictures/drawings of women, not all naked. I don’t think it comes down to girls needing idol fetishes more than boys, but that it is socially unacceptable for an adolescent boy to be permitted constant visual reminders of an unobtainable adolescent girl. He isn’t permitted to “moon”, neither over a starlet nor over… Read more »
@Badpainter Those are communist nations you cite. Those nations were totalitarian not because of redistribution or socialist economies. They were tyrannies because too much power was vested in one person or party or entity – typically the executive, police, and military – and, not incidentally, the people of those nations had been rendered submissive and passive by religion. Marxist regimes are nearly always tyrannical because power is concentrated in one entity and is not federated, checked, separated, and balanced. Too much government power concentrated into one part of government will result in tyranny. Additionally, Marxism tends to engender religious like… Read more »
@JF12 – Stewart wasn’t a “nice guy.” Don’t kid yourself. He roomed with Henry Fonda and the two had a bad reputation as party boys. Over the course of three or four pre-war years, Stewart banged Ginger Rogers, Norma Shearer, Margaret Sullivan, and the wild bisexual sex symbol, Marlene Dietrich. Those are the famous ones we know about. Pretty solid bedpost notches. His on-screen character wasn’t particularly butch, you’re correct about that, but he obviously packed sufficient gear to pull topnotch talent when he wanted to. Your comments highlight the difference between a milquetoast screen persona, the non-John Wayne, and… Read more »
@ Bachelorocles I would agree there is something unique about America, and I’d love to discuss it with you over a bottle of good scotch. But let’s leave that be for a moment as too far Off Topic. On the issue of socialism I think all roads lead to oppressive tyrannies, the difference between communism and the decaying social democracies of Western Europe and North America is in how flexible or rigid the socialist orthadoxy. The degree of flexibility being a measure economic power, and wealth, when the money runs out those systems will become sclerotic and unbending as TPTB… Read more »
@Badpainter If all socialist roads lead to tyranny, why are the people so much more free in the socialist nations in Europe? The US is much less socialist and yet Americans have less freedom and most Americans do little more in life than work. Americans on average get maybe ten days off per year. That’s it. Know how much vacation Europeans get? In Europe, freedom is much more concrete, as in: how much free time to you really have? Do you have time to read books, take month-long vacations, develop your brain and body, develop your life, spend time with… Read more »
@ Bachelorocles America is unique, neither better nor worse than anywhere else, but unique. We have different priorities. Culturally the drive to work seems to me a result of both necessity, and opportunity and a lingering cultural artifact. Give it 20 years we’ll be like Europe. My Dad’s parents grew up on the ranch. My Grandmother in a house with a dirt floor, and her family owned the ranch. Horses weren’t entirely replaced with trucks and tractors in that area until about 1950. Work was survival. My Mom’s family were city folk. Her father’s father was from a holler in… Read more »
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America is less free then Europe….. that’s no where near what I observe or what my friends from over there report. Germany tells you how long you can let your car warm up. France will.fine you for saying the truth about hajjis, or queers. My far right political views would get me arrested in most of Europe, two of my dogs are illegal in a number of Eurpean nations. They are micro managed to an incredible degree. While some places in Europe have decent gun laws, my arsenal would never be allowed; my car would never be allowed because of… Read more »
@Joe Blow ,
Your observations on Jimmy Stewart are so true.
One suggestion though:
Stewart’s biggest accomplishment with women wasn’t “he stayed faithful to a single woman for 40 years”
Here’s the real accomplishment:
“He kept a woman happily married to him for 40 years”
FWIW also. Fairbanks Jr. kept his wife Mary Lee happily married to him for 49 years from 1939 until she died in 1988.
No hypergamous straying on the part of those chicas . . .
@TAnom
“Maybe I’m underestimating how bad the situation in the west is but I personally wouldn’t say it’s worth coming here for just for the women.”
I’ve been living in East Europe for 5 years. Believe me, it worths.
@sfcton “America is less free then Europe….. that’s no where near what I observe or what my friends from over there report.” I think neither of them are more free, they have differents ways to curb people from expressing radical freedom. In Europe people have the impression that they are more free because government normally doesn’t need to curb anybody. The tradition of “political correctness” make people curb themselves. In US people are mostly curbed by government. Europe (specially within weaker countries) doesn’t have NSA’s and stuff like that. IMO Europeans will have trouble to adapt to the US. The… Read more »
What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society? I coach sport here in the UK. There is no question in my mind that young boys are softer mentally than they were 10 yrs ago(not to mention worse behaved, shorter attention spans and less co-ordinated). I am certain this is connected to parental influences, particularly fathers who are more concerned with protecting their boys from any pain rather than letting them toughen up by their experiences. One boy I consider to be the most difficult child I have dealt with, completely rejects any male authority. When I requested… Read more »
the usa has a huge problem with one demographic group, pretty big issue with a second which impacts a lot of things, meaning our govt tries to control them but has rules that affect everyone. Most European nations don’t have that liability, though many are starting to
the usa will never again have the same liberties as it did before as long as we have those two demographic groups.
I notice so many things now, especially when is see couples. I see the AF/BB dynamics.
Exemple : bibi jones retired, got with a man who can be a man who is old enough to be her father and had a child :
http://instagram.com/p/xA14TZvIIQ/?modal=true
Is it because:
1- she loves him so much or
2- beta bucks?
That man will probably die from old age by the time the kid is 21.
I just came to this thread to do a slow clap for this comment by Buena Vista a couple of days ago: ”What’s unignorable in my experience is the absolute taboo that exists in identifying, and disclosing, to a woman her own AFBB/open hypergamy life model. “It’s social suicide to tell a woman or her enablers that you have a copy of her playbook. If you want to see some truly atavistic behavior, make a woman your AF alpha widow, and point out that you are not migrating the relationship into BB/drafthorse provider territory.” That is exactly steel on target.… Read more »
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Rollo, You suggest that 2021 (or 2014) woman laughs at George Bailey, in “It’s a Wonderful Life”, as an Alpha character. You are spot on; increasing Open Hypergamy, since 1965 (advent of the pill), has changed everything. I saw examples of the old order in my Mother and still in my Father. Going to Catholic Church every Sunday they were very much less exposed to the multitiude of societal changes, regards relationships, and so were we as a family. Mum and Dad were together, happliy, forever, until Mum passed away in 2018. This lack of exposure to the world outside… Read more »
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