I came across another familiar story on the TRP Reddit this week. It’s familiar because this story is becoming increasingly more common as Hypergamy becomes a more open secret that women can no longer keep under wraps.
For the better part of 2014, and in Preventive Medicine, I explored the social trend of Open Hypergamy and the impact it’s beginning to effect on contemporary western(ized) culture. In that exploration I published Saving the Best (another TRP link), a story which revolved around the increasingly more common post-Epiphany Phase “regrets” women have when their Party Years indiscretions are made evident to the Beta men who committed to them in monogamy or marriage.
Have a read of Saving the Best before you continue here, you’ll see the commonalities immediately. I’m going to dissect this “confession” a bit as I go, but bear in mind this woman’s predicament is the direct result of the unintentional Red Pill awareness that Open Hypergamy has brought men to – even uninitiated Beta men.
An update, for those asking for it. Here’s the link to my original post although the text has been deleted? Before I get into the details, I’d just like to say I greatly appreciate the support this community extended me. Believe it or not, I read every response.
As of this morning, we still hadn’t slept in the same bed or spoken more than 10 words to each other in passing. As I was waking up, he was walking in the front door with two coffees. He sat me down at our kitchen table and finally opened up to me.
Basically he feels that he was “conned” (his word) into the marriage, saying that he wouldn’t have even dated me, let alone married me, if he’d known what he knows now. His view of me has been irreparably changed and he no longer sees me “as someone worthy of being [his] wife”. (quoting him here… fucking prick) Beyond the sexual aspect, he says he no longer trusts me because I “kept something this big” from him our whole relationship.
One of the primary disconnects women are conditioned to believe during their Epiphany Phase is that a “good man” will be willing to forgive and forget her past indiscretions. On their journey of self-exploration and discovery women are encouraged to adopt a finely tuned cognitive dissonance with who they conveniently become and what should be the consequences of their pasts. While men are expected to live up to their responsibilities as men, and are expected to own up to the consequences of their failures, at the Epiphany Phase women are encouraged to convince themselves that they become someone else – someone who was “so different” from who she was in her Party Years.
Her husband feels “conned” because he was conned; conned after discovering the dual personality of his pre and post Epiphany Phase wife. What we’re expected to believe here (courtesy of the social conventions emplaced by the Feminine Imperative) is that her husband is some prudish, moralistic throwback unwilling to accept and embrace the “real” her – the one who was trying to “get it right” by turning over a new leaf with him. This is the easy, ready-to-use shame that women have available to them; if a man becomes indignant over a woman’s sexual past it translates into his insecurities as a man. His feeling conned over his bait & switch marriage is redirected to being his problem.
Men aren’t off the hook with that convenient convention either. There’s a moral high ground many men want to claim and cast the actions of a guy in this circumstance as virtuous and a proper revenge for being mislead. While that may feel good, men in this situation aren’t disillusioned with their ‘unworthy’ wives from a moral pretense, but rather that they believed they would be entitled to their wives’ sexual best reserved for him. As I quoted in Saving the Best, they “marry a whore who fucks like a prude.”
Subjectively that may or may not be the case, but it’s the freedom and genuine desire with which their wives had sex with prior (Alpha) lovers; desire that wasn’t based on material provisioning, emotional investment or the logistical hoops women expect their post-Epiphany “good men” to perform to in order to merit their sexual and intimate attentions. That’s the disconnect, that’s the con; Alpha Bad Boys get her 3-Way genuine sexual abandon with no investment expected, while he’s got to maintain ‘multiple businesses’ in order to get a prosaic sexual experience with her. The Bad Boys got her sexual best for free, while he’s expected to accept her as the ‘new’ post-Epiphany her…
Nothing I could do or say could convince him that these were past mistakes and not reflective of who I am today. He wasn’t angry with me, didn’t call me a slut or anything like that. Never once raised his voice. Part of me wishes he did, although I can’t exactly say why right now. It felt like I was being laid off from a job.
As I mentioned, the expectation is for her husband to accept “who she is today”, yet who she was ten years ago had a more genuine desire for less established, but sexually arousing, lovers. I’m going to speculate here, but it’s likely that a man who owns multiple businesses spent more of his time diligently and (I presume) responsibly cultivating those enterprises than the men his wife took as lovers ten years ago. Again, we can see that as a moral virtue on his part, but there’s a root indignation of what her past represents within the context of his (I assume) responsible past.
And like a good business owner he plays the confrontation calmly and collectedly. The part of her that wishes he’d raised his voice is the same part that got excited by the Alpha indifference of her former lovers.
So that’s it. We are getting divorced. My supposed life-partner turning his back on me without a second thought. He didn’t even have the decency to discuss it with me first – apparently he visited his lawyer during the week and “the process is in motion” (his words). Knowing him, there is absolutely no changing his mind.
My husband owns multiple businesses and wouldn’t get married without a prenup. I signed it, honest-to-god thinking we’d never, EVER have to use it. Well, he had the fucking document with him this morning. He said he’d pay off the remainder of my student loans, which he isn’t “legally obligated” to do. While I appreciate that, I am going to meet with my lawyer this week and see if the agreement can be challenged in court. We have built a life together, I gave him 5 of the best years of my life and I’ve been 100% faithful to him – I don’t fucking deserve to be tossed out like a piece of trash.
So that’s it. My life turned upside-down in the span of a week, over something I did 10+ YEARS AGO BEFORE I EVEN KNEW HIM. It’s fucking asinine. The thing is, even as I wrote the original post, in the back of my mind I knew he was through with me. He’s ended friendships and business partnerships over less.
Ghosts of Epiphanies Past
In Preventive Medicine I go into a bit of detail about men in this increasingly common circumstance. There is a subconscious expectation on the part of Beta men who find themselves at or just past women’s Epiphany Phase, that predisposes them to believing that what they’ve become as a result of their perseverance throughout their 20’s has now come to fruition and the women who ignored them then have now matured to a point where he’s the ‘sexy’ one at last.
Unless men have a moment of clarity or a Red Pill initiation of their own prior to this, what they don’t accept is that this expectation is a calculated conditioning of the Feminine Imperative to prepare him for women like this; women who can no longer sexually compete for the Alpha Fucks they enjoyed in their Party Years. The Feminine Imperative teaches him that he can expect a woman’s “real” sexual best from the “real” her – why else would she agree to a lifelong marriage if he weren’t the optimal choice to settle down with? Why wouldn’t she be even more sexual than in her past with the man she’s chosen to spend her life with and have children with?
That is the message the Feminine Imperative used to subtly and indirectly imply to Betas-in-waiting. Now with the comfort of Open Hypergamy this message is published in best selling books by influential women:
“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”
― Sheryl Sandberg, Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead
Not to belabor Sandberg yet again (she has been hocking the tired out Choreplay meme recently), but this is essentially the outline of the script we’re reading in this woman’s lament. She’s essentially followed Sandberg’s advice only to find that her Beta-in-waiting bought into the same script too. The problem for her is that he took the “nothing’s sexier” part to heart only to find that someone else was sexier long before she’d convinced him otherwise.
For what it’s worth, fem-centrism has far less to fear from the manosphere revealing the ugly Red Pill truths about Hypergamy and more to worry about from pridefully self-indulgent women gleefully explaining it to the general populace themselves. Roosh had a tweet this week with what would likely have been the attitude of our subject wife ten odd years ago:
The more common Open Hypergamy becomes and the more proudly it’s embraced by the whole of women the less effective shaming men into acceptance of it will be. However, I thought it was entertaining when the counter-comments on Saving the Best questioned how common this situation really was or else thought it was trolling.
I think it’s much more prevalent than most men would like to admit. Perhaps not as dramatic as this example, but far more common for a majority of men who’ve tacitly accepted that the woman they married (or paired with) gave her best to her prior lovers and are too personally or family invested to extricate themselves from her after they’ve realized it. That investment necessitates them convincing themselves of the pre-planned memes the Feminine Imperative has prepared for them – that they are doing the right thing by forcing that dissonance out of their minds.
A lot of Betas-in-waiting like to claim a personal sense of vindication about their successfully pairing and breeding with women who they believe are (and were) their SMV evaluate equals once those women have “got it out of their system” with regards to self-discovery and Alpha indiscretions. In a sense they’re correct; often enough these are the men who gratefully embrace a woman’s intimate acceptance of him precisely at the point when his SMV has matured to match this woman’s declining SMV. I call this crossover the comparative SMV point in my SMV graph.
Even women on the down-slide of their SMV like to encourage the idea that their post-Epiphany decision to marry the Plan B Beta provider (long term orbiter) is evidence of their newly self-discovered maturity. How could they have been so foolish and not seen how the perfect guy for her had been there all along? That consideration gratifies the ego of a Beta who’s been hammered flat by rejection or mediocre experiences with women up to that point.
The primary reason I spent the last year compiling Preventive Medicine was to help men see past the compartmentalization of women’s phases of maturity, but also to help them see past their own immediate interpretations of those phases as they’re experiencing them. Long term sexual and intimate deprivation (i.e. Thirst) will predispose men to convincing themselves of the part they believe they should play in the social conventions of the Feminine Imperative. Their own cognitive dissonance is a small, subliminal price to pay when they believe they’re finally being rewarded with a woman who’s now ready to give him her best.
What inspired me to this post was reading a cutesy photo-meme on Facebook. The syrupy message was “My only regret was not meeting you sooner so we could spend more of our lives together” superimposed over some kids in black & white holding a rose. Then it hit me, this was a message a guy was posting to his girlfriend; the one he’d met after his second divorce was finalized. What he didn’t want to think about was that if he’d met her sooner she’d have been too busy “discovering herself” to have anything to do with him.
March 27th, 2015 at 2:49 am
That last part hits the spot
March 27th, 2015 at 5:05 am
@Rollo
Maybe the next book should be a RP primer illustrated by a children’s book specialist. BUT it should be aimed at boys 12-16–and not women. Young males on the verge of dating would be well served to know some red pill truths sooner than later. Especially effective if wrapped in humor and age appropriate SMP truths. I truly wish I’d had such a resource at that age.
Of course, MSM crucifixion would be a given.
March 27th, 2015 at 6:37 am
@The Diplomat
Great idea! That would change it all for the rest of those boys lives. Think of the legacy they will leave on the whole world.
Your idea is like giving boys height they’ll keep throughout their lives:
One of my doctors has a foundation that provides Human Growth Hormone to height-challenged children that would otherwise not have access to such natural, modern wonders that have no negative side effects.
At present,
MSM has enjoyed the luxury of being silent about the success of ”The Rational Male (Volume 1)” by Rollo Tomassi
and, so far, they’ve ignored that
”The Rational Male – Preventive Medicine (Volume 2)” by Rollo Tomassi hit #8 on the Amazon general best seller list, far outperforming anything by authors we respect like Robert Greene. The new Rollo Tomassi paperback has been at the top next to Tim Ferriss and Tony Robbins!
When the audiobook version of ”The Rational Male (Volume 1)” by Rollo Tomassi sells more units than any other audiobook in the history of audiobooks, it’s going to be fun.
They will squirm… maybe even have out of body experiences live on air.
Why would this happen?
The male suicide epidemic would disappear: (from the AFSP) “males are 4 times more likely than females to die by suicide”
Thousands of men like me have Rollo Tomassi to thank for saving our lives.
So here’s the strategy the MSM will use when they can’t deny the numbers of TRM audiobook units sold.
My friend Lori Gottlieb wrote this into her 2010 book. Basically, women disqualify men that ‘listen’ to books rather than ‘actually read’ books (as if listening to books = he’s an idiot, and therefore not a potential match).
The war on men will continue with duality:
They will make fun of men for listening to _______(insert hateful word) “The Rational Male” by Rollo Tomassi (audiobook) while saying that men do not listen to women.
They’ll question TRM listeners sexuality for listening to a male voice in the audiobook, but ‘of course’ would not listen if a woman read it… and so on.
March 27th, 2015 at 8:09 am
@LiveFearless
I skip and don’t even read your posts anymore, your like a broken record with advertising/promotional spam.
March 27th, 2015 at 9:24 am
@Lucien – “I think it goes under-appreciated that girls are not necessarily getting a lot out of being banged out by players for their entire 20s. Sure, they put a good face on it, especially while they’re in culturally-assisted denial. But subtle realities suggest they are merely going along with a horrible cultural script written by feminists. Feminism is so bad that it doesn’t even serve the interests of (most) women.”
This reminded me of a post on Stingray’s blog where she compared articles by two women – One of whom had just gotten married young to a man she seemed very bonded to, and the other of whom was off ‘finding herself’ traveling and adventuring. The contrast in tone was startling; the first radiated peacefulness and happiness and anticipation, while the second seem to be desperately trying to convince yourself that her choices were laudable and bold. Like a desperate attempt to say, ‘This is supposed to make me happy, right?’
https://verusconditio.wordpress.com/2013/12/31/spot-the-differences/
March 27th, 2015 at 9:45 am
Re: AF:BB being basically mutually exclusive: I’ve talked a bit about this before with my whole ‘women see men as two seperate genders’ concept. And there’s no escaping it, exactly. The only solution is to be as Alpha as you can be, while not being so hard an asshole as to make things unsustainable. I wonder if the best way to balance this in an LTR is to simply be unpredictable; kind of like what Rollo was talking about in his post ‘your friend menstruation.’
I also wonder why we men are called to be expert emotional acrobats just to maintain a simple relationship, while woman hold vanishingly few standards for themselves within a relationship nowadays. It can almost seem like ‘winning’ the relationship game for them entails getting the most out of the man while putting in as little of their own effort and ability as possible. Because any requirement a man might have for her within the relationship is misogyny.
Oh well, burden of performance I guess.
March 27th, 2015 at 10:34 am
Apparently the congresswoman isn’t aware they are doing this to themselves (ie “th wimminz”) already.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/congresswoman-claims-climate-change-will-turn-women-into-prostitutes/
Congresswoman Claims Climate Change Will Turn Women Into Prostitutes
On Wednesday, California Democrat Barbara Lee proposed a resolution in the House of Representatives that claims women will eventually be forced into prostitution in order to obtain life-sustaining food and water for their families.
Pull quote …
“Women will disproportionately face harmful impacts from climate change,” Lee’s resolution reads. It continues claiming, “Food insecure women with limited socioeconomic resources may be vulnerable to situations such as sex work, transactional sex, and early marriage that put them at risk for HIV, STIs, unplanned pregnancy, and poor reproductive health.”
I guess Rollo’s next book should be on how we can expedite “global warming … or … climate change” as soon as practical. /sarcasm off
March 27th, 2015 at 11:07 am
@honeycombe- you underestimate her intention. I doubt she cares one whit about climate change, this is a way to get women the right to food, water and healthcare at the expense of men. Men are all potential johns, didn’t you know?
I can hear it now “we have to pass a bill guaranteeing food/shelter and access to medicine for women, or else they’ll become victims of evil male predators. We cant fix the climate, but we can fix these despicable men who are to blame anyway.”
March 27th, 2015 at 11:10 am
@Forge the Sky
When I went to that page on Stingrays blog and read the happy woman’s post… I couldn’t help but be struck by a number of beta behaviors that she claims her new husband has done for her. I also couldn’t help but notice her nearly outright confess to receiving some emotional neglect from her parents (which means her judgement w.r.t. herself and men should be suspect). While the contrast is interesting… the “happily married” couple on first blush appears to be less solid than I might have hoped for.
March 27th, 2015 at 11:17 am
Women don’t want 1 schizophrenic man -hey I’m Alpha super alpha AND you’re supplicating host slave beta too- fuck no. That’s not going to happen.
Pick one. Be that and nothing else
March 27th, 2015 at 11:29 am
I’d like to note that this post rests on the grand deception of the “past is in the past.” The epiphany girls use this to disarm criticism of past indiscretions obviously, but they also use it to excuse all manner present stupidity. If the “past is in the past” then all previous instances of abuse, and victimization are rendered invalid as excuses.
If the each day starts with a clean slate then all past achievements, failures, rights and wrongs are completely irrelevant to the new day. As well, any learned preferences or distastes would be wiped clean.
If she didn’t like broccoli yesterday that’s no excuse to refuse it today because the past doesn’t matter.
Of course we all know the above is bullshit. The past matters. It matters a lot, and one can’t be allowed to determine which parts are relevant to everyone else.
The next time you’re confronted with “the past is in the past” just remind her that because she didn’t like whatever in college is no reason to refuse it now, after all people change.
March 27th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Every time I get away from passed behavior I think of this guy and read a bit on him Simo Häyhä
http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/simohayha.asp
March 27th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck!
I hate being right all the time:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/566518/Germanwings-co-pilot-recognised-as-top-US-flyer
March 27th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
Jeremy,
A woman who loves and respects her husband with be grateful for those behaviors. When she doesn’t love and respect those behaviors but they are present she speaks like this and this.
I can’t remember word for word what Rollo says but it’s something like, Alpha is a state of mind, not a set of behaviors.
March 27th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
Someone just shared this somewhere
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6714280
March 27th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
@Rollo
Cases like that are why I often say that psychological health can be more important than physical health. Nothing is more dangerous than a human body running out of control.
March 27th, 2015 at 12:55 pm
rugy11jh,
That distrust of women comes from men’s own experiences, and women get mad at men for those experiences rather than the women who lied and/or exaggerated the situations in the first place. We’ve so brainwashed men that they don’t even trust their own experiences any more. What’s more, we make them feel guilty for even having them.
It’s our power and women are going to get pissed when men learn to take it away.
March 27th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Apologies for spelling your handle wrong.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
Hey brother stingray don’t aplogize
My uncle got divorce twice and told me one thing that lead me to Rollo
(Don’t ever lose your male friends)
March 27th, 2015 at 1:08 pm
@ Stingray
Don’t worry about us not trusting our own experiences or being brainwashed. We’ve got coping mechanisms, that develope from that experience:
1. We know “bitches be crazy”
2. We know women feel rather than think.
3. We know y’all are gonna stab us in back at the first opportunity.
4. We know not to let y’all get to close.
5. We know y’all just tingle for jerks and assholes.
Experience gives us this default AWALT knowledge. It’s then up to y’all to prove every single day that NAWALT, and even caution is our watch word. Really we want quite a bit, but don’t expect to get it.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
@rugby
Uh, Stingray would be a sister, sir.
@Badpainter
1. We know “bitches be crazy”
March 27th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
I remember reading Rollo warning about the 7 year mark of marriage, I think there should be 2 marks, one after 7 years and one when a woman crossing her 40s.
Last night I watch a 1955 movie with Vivien Leigh , the deep blue sea.
It’s about perfect is boring , BB/AF.
Rollo, you’ve got to watch it.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
rubgy11jh,
I am quite flattered, but full for full disclosure, I’m a woman.
Badpainter,
I know you all here are well aware of that. Far, far too many men do not trust that gut instinct.
You all should want quite a bit and why this is so hard for so many women to understand after being dumped over and over again is amazing to me.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Thanks Sun for clarifying
Alright sting pleasant to meet you
March 27th, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Stingray.
Feminists would love to have you court Martial -ed on the charges of high treason.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:40 pm
The more Open Hypergamy spreads, the more men are aware of the game, the more men realize the Medium is the Message:
http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/
Women get pissed because men don’t trust them implicitly? Yeah, that follows.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
That brings up a good point. Not only is perfect boring but being real is treason socially.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
rugby11jh,
Likewise.
Mr. T,
I take that as a compliment.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
Is open hypergamy self-defeating?
March 27th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
How many times have you been with a woman who’s “empowered” by being an empathetic, thoughtful, intimate, occasionally logical partner to a man? Who accepts that he has priorities, perhaps contradictory impulses to hers? Who takes pride in his unwillingness to supplicate and “Yes, dear …” his way through life?
I have a GF like this right now. It’s a breath of fresh air after what I went through with my Ex. I keep my distance, while appreciating her when we’re together and she wants to sex me up, too. So refreshing.
March 27th, 2015 at 1:59 pm
The more Open Hypergamy spreads, the more men are aware of the game,
I think hilarity is going to ensue because of this. Women honestly still believe that men should and will just tow the line with this, accept it for what they want and play along. When men don’t and then use this Open Hypergamy against women, that they themselves have made open and they discover that, yet again, men aren’t just going to be there like they expect (where are all the good and chivalrous men?!) it’s going to be interesting. I wonder what kind of restrictions they will want from the fallout of this?
March 27th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
Stingray – “I wonder what kind of restrictions they will want from the fallout of this?”
I’d worry less about that than the creative genius of millions of disgruntled free agents individually, and without an open agenda, subverting the system just by trying survive within it.
March 27th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
@Sun,
If you are interested I was set up with my second woman through church and met her last night. A second fat, post wall, post CC, single mom. At least this one belongs to the church and I’m not being used to try to bring her back to the faith. The level of entitlement that these horrible women have just boggles the mind. I did delight in showing her pictures of me with two of my plates from the past year. Both not fat, ten plus years her junior, and not single moms. She said nothing about it. She did stop talking so much though.
I think I will give this to the end of the year then I am going back to spinning plates. Or perhaps just spin plates in secret and lie about it to the church women while continuing to unicorn hunt.
There are things in place through the church to help men fulfill Briffault’s Law though. I see this as a bonus of church. In the LDS faith only men can get the priesthood (I now have the Aaronic Priesthood) and this gives men special powers that woman can not have. In church last Sunday a woman spoke about how blessed all married women are because they have access to the full power of the priesthood through their husbands.
Something men have that women can not have that can help fulfill Briffault’s Law during marriage.
Hey at least these two women weren’t obese. The very idea that I would be even remotely interested in sex with either of these two low quality women is laughable. And marriage? LMAO!
I think lots of women are in for some lonely older years. I mean yesterday at work I was watching this ass in yoga pants for ten seconds before she turned around. This woman must have been 65 years old. Wearing yoga pants. How pathetic.
March 27th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
@ StringofCoins
Spin plates metaphorically. Meet any and all kinds of women. “Unicorns” are not only in church, and maybe they are extinct…
Anything can be plausible.
March 27th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
@stingray
“Women honestly still believe that men should and will just tow the line with this, accept it for what they want and play along.”
I dunno, I kinda think honing and applying game is sort of going along. Hypergamy — Game are complimentary it seems. I think each one feeds off the other. I know your point is that we men won’t play along with the beta-in-waiting part of it. But I think there are and always will be plenty of hard up desperate suckers left.
Plus, what I think is interesting are the number of post-50 divorces we’re seeing.. These older women seem to like being alone into their golden years. So the hypergamous slut might just shrug her shoulders in the end and just play till she can’t play anymore, and then oh well.
It seems the female species is impervious to any backlash from all of this.
Next up – women who want children will simply get them from the sperm bank, and the only ones left to fuck recreationally will be the sluts. Betas will lose out entirely, which will again cause more desperation and provide a consistent pool of betas-in-waiting for those women who want to go that way.
Men are fucked.
March 27th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
@Jeremy – My point in posting that wasn’t to demonstrate an exemplary RP relationship, just to demonstrate how much of a difference it makes for a woman’s happiness and contentment to just settle down early with a man instead of riding the CC. It’s less relevant for men figuring out how to create a good relationship. I recognize that some of the stuff she’s saying in the article might not be the most helpful for a recovering BP beta.
That said, I cautiously agree with Stingray here that alpha is a mindset, not a set of behaviors. And women will tend to wax eloquent about a (perceived) alpha man’s beta behaviors towards her. You’ll hear more about an alpha’s three monthly ‘beta’ actions from a woman than you will about a beta’s three daily supplications or kindnesses.
March 27th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
Spinning plates is the only way I can keep from developing Oneitis. As well, when one of them fucks with me or flakes I immediately turn my attention to another woman and my hurt or frustration with the offending plate goes away. It also helps me remain cool with the other plates as I’m never desperate. My new favorite word is “Next”.
Even more to the point is that it made me realize women are replaceable. One is just as good as another. Really. I was shocked the first time I realized this and it makes me think that training men to believe in “the one” is really about dampening and shaming male sexuality and agency.
Fyi, I’m pulling out of my emotional tailspin and am ready again to carry the burden of performance gladly and to be the best man I can be for myself.
March 27th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
I also had the same exact thought when I heard about the copilot crashing the Germanwings jet. Fuck, we have to reach more men!! Rollo, you really do save lives.
I’m left asking myself how could a Blue Pill guy not be depressed into today’s clonw-car world?
March 27th, 2015 at 4:46 pm
I grew up Mormon and was beating the hell up for developing any alpha part of myself the women I grew up with massacred me and had fun banging dudes on my bed growing up.
Religion can be the worst place to learn about actual things that apply to life. One thing I did was visit someone with 14 to 16 wife’s out in Colorado city in Utah not sure the exact number because it may have changed but the man of the house was able to keep his harm of women down. Eerie yet fascinating it would be an experience for every beta guy to learn from in dealing with a shit test and seening women fuck past morality.
They each saw the guy from one point of the day to another.
My priesthood was used against me by the way is it just me or do women think male baby’s getting their penis cut is funny because that was something I was made fun of for without having a choice. Just bringing that up because my mother wanted me to be like my beta dad. Who by the way would kick my ass if my mother wasn’t emotional appeased. That made it super hard to build an alpha inside because of the overwhelming emotional incest. My sisters didn’t help either by dehumanizing me in any way while developing game. If you where to go back and ask anyone I grew up with how they know me they couldn’t say a thing. However the alpha bad boys who would bang girls in the shower and talk about it at scout camp everyone remembers And the funny part is that while all this was going on I keepes being told to shut up and deal with it. It’s funny because being nice resulted in chronic habitual suicide.
March 27th, 2015 at 4:59 pm
@StringsofCoins
In my experience, church is where fat women find more acceptance than anywhere else, largely due to “you should have unconditional love for me just as God does” style shaming. Honestly not surprised to hear them chucking their hambeasts at the new guy. Sorry to hear it’s not working out that great for you so far; I pretty much root for guys on here to succeed with whatever plan they come up with, but in my experience the church is about the same or worse than the rest of the world for quality of women. It’s unfortunate you’re getting more or less the same results.
Good to hear that you’re keeping your chin up and ready to move on if it doesn’t work though. Men don’t wait for the world to bring success to them then pout when it doesn’t happen. They evaluate failures, adjust, and move forward with the next attempt.
I mean yesterday at work I was watching this ass in yoga pants for ten seconds before she turned around. This woman must have been 65 years old. Wearing yoga pants. How pathetic.
Ugh. Yoga pants, much like other stretchy material, are a privilege of the young and hot. Got a butterfaced chick with a great ass and rack in my kung fu class that wears them and has a massive crush on me. When I’m working with her, she always takes a moment to bend over legs spread and stretch with her ass toward me. Really, couldn’t be more obvious what she’s up to. Each time I keep hoping a chick with a cute face will come back up. Each time I’m disappointed.
Was discussing it with the instructor last night. He feels my pain.
March 27th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
“However the alpha bad boys who would bang girls in the shower and talk about it at scout camp everyone remembers…”
and what that scout told us after sneaking back to our tent and getting our ratings on her was “you don’t fuck the face”
which I pointed out was an option
March 27th, 2015 at 5:42 pm
Badpainter: And no one is worse at this “past is the past” shit than White Knight/Betas…they are the FIRST online and in person who do the whole “holy shit grow up dude, she has a past, so do you, etc etc”.
First, they almost ONLY say or do that when they are in front of women, a prime rule for White Knightedry, you have to be SEEN putting on your defense. They know in reality they won’t be getting laid by these female onlookers, but it makes them feel a sense or righteousness and one-ups-manship that they could never get in an armwrestle, deadlift contest or hoops.
Secondly, not one of these chumps would be cool with it if you told them THEIR special snowflake sucked 10 black cocks the night before his first date with him. And if 10 is ok, then why not 50? Why not double anal, plus heaving fisting with an entire NBA team, and their opponents, sent around the web?…because “look, man, that was in the past..grow up dude”…the buckets of cum she swallowed the night before her Appleby’s date with you, was a full 16 hours before she pushed the check your way–chump. LOL, you must have a small dick and live in your mom’s basement to care about such things.
Face it, as my analogies illustrated earlier in the posts (and Rollo has basically led us to, via his eloquence), we DO care. Sexual availability and exclusivity for a man who has a woman as “his”– is the same as financial and resource provisioning a woman has with her “man”. It’s what the genders traditionally brought to the table. You pay for pussy, long-term, make a family, keep society stable. She gives up her pussy (exclusively) for provisioning, gives you a family, etc. Check out Lincoln’s wife, Mary Todd and the shit she honestly revealed about him.
[[NOTE: the Hilary/Bill thing still seems counter-intuitive, he allowed an ugly parasite to latch onto him, for HER benefit, not his. It’s like a weird double inverse of the usual strategy…which only makes sense if you are sodomizing chubby, lonely, 21 year old interns with cigars later in life…I guess]]
If I woman is a prude once she decides to settle down, she can’t be any more upset that he is mad/resentful about her past, than the “cheap, money-conscious” man she married who splurged on other chicks before he met her. It is what it is.
When a woman sleeps around, she is, in a market sense, saying…my pussy doesn’t have a lot of value…lots of people have access…and then when she wants you to marry her, its like saying, here, buy this Honda with 200k miles, and pretend the shit is new.
And then she breaks down on you anyhow.
March 27th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
To expand a bit – Women generally don’t understand what it is about a man that makes her feel happy – she just feels happy, and sometimes gushes about it. It’s like a magic trick to her. And as a man, she expects you to ‘just get’ how to perform it.
It’s part of the business of the RP to teach men who don’t naturally ‘get it’ how to pull this off. Not so much in order to make women happy, but to create relationships which are more satisfying and productive for the man – indeed, as soon as you focus on the woman’s happiness as anything you need to control or worry about, it vanishes. A woman’s happiness can only be observed from a distance. You can’t take it in your hands, or it’s gone, like trying to hold a reflection in the water.
A woman’s happiness is a pleasant side-effect of the presence of a man who’s primary concern with self or mission transcends the need to make her happy.
Recently (the past 6 weeks or so) I’ve been able to really hold a masculine, positive, driven frame much more than I have for a while, and somewhat more than I ever have. I’ve thought about chasing women seldom, but have allowed myself to experience the physical pull of attraction when it happens – not trying to control, just to experience. And I’ve observed how (sub-40) female co-workers react to this; they crave my attention and presence in small ways, and their days seem lit up when I take a bit of time to interact with them. And the one or two that are pretty and feminine tend to make me feel a bit happier and more cheerful/driven after interacting with them as well.
The girl I had one-itis for just a few months back is a co-worker also. She drove me away. Now, though moods vary a bit of course, she tends to be red-faced and shy/submissive around me. Now that I think of her affectionately but distantly, as not a serious concern.
It’s not even about sex or potential sex; it’s just a healthy thing, to interact as a woman with a man or as a man with a woman. And yes, add a bit of isolation and escalation into the mix and sexual tension develops on top of that, and that’s good for a man to know, but know that frame comes first.
This has been a bit off-topic, but I think it’s a good topic – to look a bit at the strange counterintuitive balance a man strikes in creating a relationship that tends to create happiness as well as sex. The takeaway is applicable to more than relationships – happiness is always transient and uncertain, so pursue congruent goals instead. Happiness may result.
And, of course, all this should only be contemplated if you’ve internalized a RP perspective well. Otherwise you’ll use any thought whatsoever about a woman’s ‘happiness’ to start rationalizing BP thoughts and behaviors.
March 27th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
“you should have unconditional love for me just as God does”
Right, and you should do as I command you or be turned into a pillar of salt, as God would.
Funny how they always forget that part.
March 27th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
“what I think is interesting are the number of post-50 divorces we’re seeing.. These older women seem to like being alone into their golden years.”
This is one thing that puzzles me still . . . given everything we’re saying about women’s decline in sexual value over time, why would post-35 yo women be divorcing at all? How could they possibly expect to get any male attention? And why are they doing it if they’re not going to get any; if they’re going to come out so much worse than the man?
“Even more to the point is that it made me realize women are replaceable. One is just as good as another. Really. I was shocked the first time I realized this and it makes me think that training men to believe in “the one” is really about dampening and shaming male sexuality and agency. “
I’m increasingly thinking this way, and at the moment I’m actually a little disturbed by it, as someone formerly prone to oneitis. At the end of the day the bottom line with a girl is really, what does she think of me? How much value do I have to her? Which is really not about her, but about how much she perceives my value. That plus sexual attractiveness plus feminine personality: really the only variables that matter. Am I missing something?
March 27th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
…copilot crashing the Germanwings jet. Fuck, we have to reach more men!!
Rollo, you really do save lives.
~Glenn
It’s only preventive medicine if you can pass along the warning…
I wanted a book for the ‘everyman’ – one that a guy working in a garage might find accessible, or one a soldier deployed in a very unfamiliar, inhospitable place might take along with him…
It’s preventive medicine, not a cure for any particular disease
~Rollo Tomassi
“The Rational Male – Preventive Medicine” (Volume 2)
March 27th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
Lucien: I find myself wondering why the bottom line isn’t, “What do I think about her? What value is she to me?”
Which is really not about her, but about how you percieve your own value.
March 27th, 2015 at 6:42 pm
Fuck, we have to reach more men!! Rollo, you really do save lives.
~Glenn
Jaquie said, “I
wish you had a book out
with all of this stuff in it
so I could give it to him.
He’s very
Beta and whipped,
but if I had a book
to put in his hands
he would read it.”
So it is
for the sons
of Jaquie’s
that I decided
to put this book out…
There’s a certain
power
and
legitimacy
that the printed word has
that a blog or some
online article lacks
~Rollo Tomassi
“The Rational Male” (Volume 1)
March 27th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Lena Dunham at it again:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/03/30/dog-or-jewish-boyfriend-a-quiz
Relevant text:
,i>17. When I get home from the business trip, he ignores me for hours, sometimes days, forcing me to wonder whether he would be better off with a woman who has a less demanding career. “Why don’t you find some catalogue model who just sits around all day and rubs your back? I bet you’d like that,” I hiss. “I apologize for my many accomplishments. I’m sorry they mean nothing to you.”
Modern woman can’t understand why things that attract her to a man are different from what might attract a man to her. Because her feminist programming won’t allow for any difference between men and women beyond “innie” vs. “outie”. Not to mention the reeking stench of entitled snowflake throughout the entire rather badly written thumbsucker.
Lena Doughgirl is truly a role model for the modern, millennial, feminista.
March 27th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
Imagine the havoc if you could get her boyfriend to read RM.
March 27th, 2015 at 6:58 pm
http://realchristianmcqueen.com/2015/03/27/interview-with-amazon-top-10-best-selling-author-rollo-tomassi-what-are-your-questions/
March 27th, 2015 at 7:01 pm
Bill Clinton was and is a huge mangina. Raised by a single mom and during his presidency he championed the Bradley amendment. He clearly hates men so Hillary is a great fit for him.
@rugby,
Sorry to hear that. This church does seem to desire to raise a horde of betas. I’m not interested in that. I’ll see how it continues to go. I did have an interesting conversation last week with three other men. One guy clearly gets TRP and we steered the conversation to how to make sure your (future) wife doesn’t get fat and isn’t a feminist. Another blue piller was shocked and had to comment several times about how much we “hate” women. Poor guy. The fourth guy was married to a woman ten years his elder and will never be having children. He just sat there. Dejected and emasculated. Never said a word.
The guy who had some truth to talk about tried to get the blue pill schlub to accept reality. I no longer bother with such things. It was amusing to hear about how it was this guys mother who taught him the red pill truths.
The only man in RL I’ve been able to wake up is my own father. And the biggest thing that got us both on the same page was Rollo’s first book. I bought him a copy.
@Sun,
I’m actually kind of offended that these people would think that I am stupid and blue enough to desire any interaction at all with these horrible low value women.
Sometimes I wonder how women can not realize that being fat makes you into an androgynous blob. That you are not only a non sexual being, not only gross and disgusting to look at, but that you are no longer even a woman to me.
Don’t fat women realize that in private they are relentlessly made fun of? Don’t they know that they aren’t even women anymore?
No feminist brainwashing campaign or cajoling from any religious leader is going to change this. No matter how many times you tell a man that a horrid beast is truly a woman (and an attractive one) it does not make it so. I feel so bad for the men who marry only to have their wives get fat. They are married to things that are no longer women and their only choice becomes divorce raping themselves or cheating on their beasts.
How can women, with so much power, have such an incredibly poor understanding of men?
Perhaps one day women will realize that feminism has lied to them. That they have almost all the power. That they need to grow up and start using that power in a remotely intelligent way. If things continue us men will have to use our power to fix things. And our power is violence. Nobody wants that.
March 27th, 2015 at 7:20 pm
Stringsofcoins – “If things continue us men will have to use our power to fix things. And our power is violence. Nobody wants that.”
“You can’t always get what you want, but if you try real hard you might find you get what you need.” – Mick and the boys
Violence is a bit like starvation, if you don’t experience it in extremis you start to mistake other things for it. Violent language is not assault, hunger pangs are not starvation.
One aspect of masculine violence that is under appreciated is the psychological trick of defining us vs. them. And then being completely and utterly indifferent to them, while simultaneously offering them the chance to surrender and join us. This us and them aspect writ small is the essence of plate theory. We don’t need actual violence to solve this, just cold hard indifference to those not part our individual us.
March 27th, 2015 at 7:25 pm
“This is one thing that puzzles me still . . . given everything we’re saying about women’s decline in sexual value over time, why would post-35 yo women be divorcing at all?”
They don’t listen to a word we say. They listen to experts like Robin Korth and expect to be dating Richard Gere who will fly them to Paris or Italy for love and romance (date a 20 year old and you can meet for coffee and pay for your own, date 50 year old pussy and they want extensive travel on your dime, so cute). Articles and books on 50+ divorce show many of the women hope to find love under their endless list of conditions, while ignoring the 5 to 1 odds of finding any guy, and that can be calculated by demographics.
March 27th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
“Modern woman can’t understand why things that attract her to a man are different from what might attract a man to her.”
It’s incredible how much young women are oblivious to what makes them attractive to men.
I’ve had young women boast to me that they are admittedly bitches and when in the company of men, the men forget that she is a woman and treat and talk to her like she is “one of the boys”, thinking like it’s a positive attribute to have for being attractive to men. Clueless. Being a bitch and having a bad attitude is not something a man wants to deal with, no matter how attractive the woman (but maybe for a meaningless one-night stand though).
I’ve had women proudly and gleefully state: “I’m definitely high-maintenance” on a date. Yeah, sure, sign me up for that. Not. And this is supposed to make her more appealing to men? What are they thinking?
Women are just not being taught proper social skills, having a pleasant and agreeable personality for relationships with men.
Also, a woman having an MA degree never gave a man a chubby. So many woman think that accumulating degrees is a sure thing for getting a man, despite what the woman looks like. A woman’s education and accomplishments will not make up for her age and deficient appearance. So many woman say they are going to wait until they are in their 30’s to start looking for a husband, and all of her accomplishments, graduate degrees, and high job status are going to make her so appealing to men, so they think. These women forget about their own hypergamy as well. The more education they get, the higher job status they get, the more income they have, in addition to her increasing age, all act to reduce the size of the pool of men that she will find acceptable for marriage. Women are their own worst enemy. Genuine chemistry and attraction cannot be negotiated or bought. Men will not wife up a woman that does not pass his boner test and that they have no chemistry with.
March 27th, 2015 at 7:42 pm
you know what this women wrote a book on being a women that many young women could benefit from its about she reaches close to death yet understood her hypergamy and how weird the world was in the time she wrote it around 1970 I may be mistaken (side note) great book on accepting death as a gift in being alive and fighting a culture that kills you.
March 27th, 2015 at 7:45 pm
We’ll that’s funny it’s called the measure of my days http://www.amazon.com/The-Measure-Days-Florida-Scott-Maxwell/dp/0140051643
March 27th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
” . . . like it’s a positive attribute to have for being attractive to men. Clueless.”
Note my first response to Newgal: “I am not sexually attracted to men.”
You can say this right their faces and look deep into their eyes as they don’t “just get it.”
March 27th, 2015 at 8:55 pm
Rollo can you top this.
meat not milk. The end to the diagnosis and the new transcendent level.
new wine in new wineskins
March 27th, 2015 at 9:35 pm
Re: Women in their 50s getting divorced. From what I’ve seen here in the DC area, where there are “power couples” and even second-tier power couples (both have grad degrees, making good cash), it is the MEN that are dumping their wives, because at that point, the kids are grown, alimony won’t be too much of an issue (either in VA or MD), given the near equal pay/jobs, and getting rid of her and out of your life isn’t as hard as a 30 year old guy with two screaming kids at home and a mortgage.
I keep running into guys who filed once the youngest kid hit or just got out of college. They did the math and realized freedom was worth the last 20 years of life or so. The women are left miserable (met them too, and hear their “versions” of events). This area is PACKED with 45 year old+ women who’ve been dumped and are back on Match.com trying to repackage the goods.
March 27th, 2015 at 9:35 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/13/experience-i-slept-with-3000-men-sex-swingers
March 27th, 2015 at 10:23 pm
@Excalibur
I’ve had women proudly and gleefully state: “I’m definitely high-maintenance” on a date.
“Good thing I’m not paying tonight,” said the man in response to the shit test.
March 27th, 2015 at 10:32 pm
Scotty those very women in this area give amazing shit test
It’s why I do my best to keep to myself
March 27th, 2015 at 11:21 pm
@rugby
No shit test is “amazing” once you realize they’re all (as in 100% of them) coming from the mentality of a 16 year old girl.
March 27th, 2015 at 11:28 pm
Sun I realize that but it’s so freaking overwhelming in the dc md va area.
By the way this is a great video showing male alpha behavior that my environment raped and beating out of me. No excuses no blame just hard work. That goes with any shit test as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jaLfxfpsmtY
March 28th, 2015 at 12:14 am
@Rollo (from previous post): “Why does it still feel ‘wrong’ to be an asshole to women when that’s what women directly or indirectly reward men for? Most Blue Pill guys will still cling to that Nice Guy script even after it’s been proven to them that women love Jerks. It feels wrong to act like the Jerk. Why?”
Upon studying the wild horse herds in the federal lands of Nevada, one will come to realize that the greatest threat to a young colt, other than predation, is being cast from the herd by the matriarch. She does this by staring at him directly with binocular vision, as opposed to monocular vision from the side. In the language of equines, binocular engagement = extreme aggression. (I suppose the human equivalent would be corrupt family courts : ) ).
To that young colt that is trying to develop into a stallion, being cast out by the matriarch at such a young age is the most fearful thing he can experience at that young age (other than predation). Why? Because he is a social creature. Period. Full stop. It is programmed deep inside his DNA that a very significant sense of his identity is his place in the herd. To be cast out of the herd, for that colt, is psychologically a death sentence. Hence, he quickly gets his behavior under control so that the matriarch will allow him back into the herd, into safety.
A similar paradigm exists for *native* primates.
In most mammalian species, females serve the very beneficial role (to the species, not the individual) of being the social glue of the clan/herd/troop. Love it or hate it, it exists just the same.
The difference between humans and other mammals, for those who subscribe to such things, is that humans have the ability to direct their own evolution, within the bounds of far more powerful universal laws. However, we are well within our bounds to impose discipline upon our trajectory, which is what “patriarchy” is really all about—rising from the muck.
I think, Rollo, that here has been posited one of many potential answers to your “why?”, while simultaneously leaving plenty of room for individual interpretation. I submit that everything one needs understand about the “feminine imperative” is right there. The good, the bad, and the ugly… all of them together.
Readers, let the implications sink in, as re the depth of your responsibility to your own reality, lest you bitch and moan *too much* and thereby abrogate it to “matriarchs.”
Good luck, all, and good night.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:46 am
I am slightly paranoid, no need to deny it. This makes me entirely unwilling to accept the “dumped boyfriend crashed his airliner” story from the MSM. I’ve never heard of a pilot being thrown under the bus that fast after a crash. It reeks like a manufactured explanation.
Not that the story is unbelievable… just the timing. Accident investigators are true professionals. They have to be, loved ones and lawsuits hinge on them getting it right, and telling those who lost people the truth of what happened the first time (you do not get a second chance at telling someone how their family member died). They rarely open their mouths and do things like this unless they’ve got a lot of data backing it up.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:59 am
@ Jeremy
The Elliot Rodger explanation works because it satisfies the need to blame the co-pilot without getting all defensive about shaming the mentally ill, or exciting paranoia about converts to Islam, or focusing on bureaucratic failures. It’s the Ockam’s Razor of explanations that also serves the goals of the FI. It might also be true. We’ll never know for sure in this PC environment.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:05 am
I don’t think the manosphere would be advocating spinning plates if it wasn’t a viable option. Today’s women help make that viable by being so fucking loose. In days of yore, monogamy and wifing up “quality” women (i.e., young virgins) worked, and a ruling (Alpha) hand in marriage made monogamy mostly viable. Those days have changed. Many of us aren’t actually that happy with spinning plates, but have bitterly come to the conclusion we may as well because the love we always thought we were getting from women is illusory/reflective of that unconditional love we quest for since birth.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:15 am
@StringsofCoins
I’m guessing female duality is what makes it so hard. Women live in a world where they are physically weaker, and they have a sexual strategy that requires guile and covert behavior to even work correctly. As a result of these conditions, their entire mindset is one of attempting to get what they want as smoothly and stealthily as possible, using misdirection and temptation. They also either want to, or outright default to thinking that men are worthy of their respect. Whether that’s really the case or not, the perspective of regarding someone else as higher-up-the-food-chain than you brings with it a certain prejudice towards that persons abilities and ability to comprehend the world around them. Women want to respect men, so they put male intelligence and social function on a bit of an FI-influenced pedestal.
This likely causes no end of confusion within women when the pure simplicity and straightforwardness of men displays itself. If you’re the spy of the group, and you presume that other people behave like you do (we’re all equals right?), and you believe those people are higher in the heirarchy than you (because women want to look up to their man); Then it makes no sense that men should behave with a straight-up earnestness.
Women can’t comprehend the simplicity of men because they both *want* to respect men, and they themselves are forced to operate in a world of covert and duplicitous behavior. From this they see male communication as clearly being only half the story because they naturally presume there’s a covert message as well. When no covert message ever makes itself known to them, it causes no end of confusion. It’s like being the CIA and being absolutely sure that you have tapped your enemies secret communications, but all you ever see on the channel are two buddies talking about sports. Unfortunately for those younger women, men really are communicating the whole story with words. The brain cycles they spend attempting to search for the hidden meaning is just wasted energy.
Older women get it. Grandma gets it. She’s been around long enough that she knows that men are generally just straight-up frank with her, and she’s likely had decades of protection/provisioning from a man who loved her. Her perspective is likely as close to true female appreciation for masculinity as it gets. Younger women, who still feel the pull of hypergamy strongly, and have not had decades of LTR to experience men from an intimate perspective, just don’t get it. They can’t really conceive of male nature, because they’re always interpreting it through female nature.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:33 am
@jeremy&bp
Had that nut beta pilot (seen his phoro?)was loved by a mother or a girl friend, I doubt he’d crash his plane.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:51 am
Try this on for size. You are the male. Your reality is what you make it. You literally have the ability to SPEAK it into existence… literally, through your words. Please be responsible with this, for your own wellbeing (and the rest of us).
I know that is mind bending.
But think about it. There is a reason I don’t share more. But you are clearly right on the cusp. Take it to its edge… but, responsibly, yo, for all of us, ok.
With great power, comes great responsibility.
March 28th, 2015 at 2:09 am
@Jeremy
With how slow reasons usually are to come out, it makes me more certain that was actually the reason the plane when down. A lot of times trying to analyze some sort of failure or another, there’s a few possible interpretations of telemetry data that was captured. If some dude was having a major emotional break down alone in the cockpit, and telemetry + audio confirm that’s what went wrong, then it’s pretty open and shut. Far more clear cut than mechanical failures or vague circumstances of pilot error.
The speed of publicizing the cause on this one actually leads me to believe they have a higher level of confidence than normal. I’m betting it’s true.
March 28th, 2015 at 3:17 am
@StringsofCoins
I’m actually kind of offended that these people would think that I am stupid and blue enough to desire any interaction at all with these horrible low value women.
Actually I can tell you exactly why you shouldn’t be at all: remember we live in a femcentric society. It affects everywhere as you’re finding. When you look at it that way it becomes really apparent they’re considering you at all except as an opportunity for her. They’re looking 100% from the point of view of a woman they’ve known for a while.
They’ve given exactly zero thought to if you’re stupid or blue or awesome or anything. There’s no need to take it personal because you’re not a person to them. The women are. It’s femcentric thinking.
March 28th, 2015 at 3:19 am
^
When you look at it that way it becomes really apparent they’re not considering you
Sorry for the typo.
March 28th, 2015 at 7:03 am
What a great gilft
Try this on for size. You are the male. Your reality is what you make it. You literally have the ability to SPEAK it into existence… literally, through your words. Please be responsible with this, for your own wellbeing (and the rest of us).
I know that is mind bending.
But think about it. There is a reason I don’t share more. But you are clearly right on the cusp. Take it to its edge… but, responsibly, yo, for all of us, ok.
With great power, comes great responsibility.
March 28th, 2015 at 7:23 am
Gentlemen, please keep the mystical, obtuse shit talk to a minimum. This is, after all, the “RATIONAL” male. Thank you for your rationality.
March 28th, 2015 at 7:27 am
@‘’c’h’okmah
Talk sensibly, logically, and in quantifiable and cohesive terms or STFU. Thank you.
March 28th, 2015 at 7:59 am
@Bromeo,
Were you serious about ‘Live Fearless’ or is there some humor going on there?
If you were serious, then you should check out the name of this website, then check out the name of the book, then check the release date. You’ve got those three bits of information, put your mind to it and see what you can come up with.
March 28th, 2015 at 8:17 am
@C’h’okmah,
Nice horse story. What happens when the ‘matriarch’ horse gets so fat that she can barely walk? Do the colts start to explore other options or behave differently? What happens in horseland when the females spend too much time at the trough?
@Badpainter
“It’s the Ockam’s Razor of explanations that also serves the goals of the FI.”
–Great line and very astute.
March 28th, 2015 at 8:19 am
Fuck that reads so well. Having a hard time not laughing in public. Back to rationality
March 28th, 2015 at 8:51 am
@Badpainter,
I’d worry less about that than the creative genius of millions of disgruntled free agents individually, and without an open agenda, subverting the system just by trying survive within it.
I do worry about this, too. However, if this system was simply left alone, it would eventually work itself out. When the system is artificially forced, which is what the feminists count on, it only gets worse and worse.
@TuffLuv
I kinda think honing and applying game is sort of going along. Hypergamy — Game are complimentary it seems. I think each one feeds off the other. I know your point is that we men won’t play along with the beta-in-waiting part of it. But I think there are and always will be plenty of hard up desperate suckers left.
I get your point, but I disagree. Game isn’t going along. Rather, game has morphed into men improving themselves solely for themselves. Not to try to give women our fried ice. What women are demanding, is literally impossible.
Plus, what I think is interesting are the number of post-50 divorces we’re seeing.. These older women seem to like being alone into their golden years. So the hypergamous slut might just shrug her shoulders in the end and just play till she can’t play anymore, and then oh well.
These women would have you believe this, because their pride demands it. But the vast majority of these women are lonely creatures who can’t understand what has happened to them. Who’s husbands have left them and can’t comprehend why (when many of them likely treated their husbands like money making machines and housemaids) or they left their husbands looking to EPL their way into happiness and can’t figure out what went wrong.
It seems the female species is impervious to any backlash from all of this.
Never, ever let a woman convince you of this. This is where you watch what she does. The more she seeks out the alpha for the ONS hoping to turn it into more, the more she goes the cougar route, the more it is evidence of that backlash. She needs that validation and if ONS are the only way she can get it, she will do that. When she can’t anymore, cats.
The myth of Samantha (Sex and the City) is only a that, a myth.
March 28th, 2015 at 9:53 am
@Stingray
Actually, it is possible. Again Rollo’s most repeated line, “For one side’s sexual strategy to succeed, the other sides sexual strategy must be compromised or abandoned.” The beta’s in waiting scenario is a mass delusion put upon men to convince them that the ideal world would have them abandon their own sexual strategy. Men appreciate idealism, so this is a seductive delusion for them. For the natural alpha’s, there is no compromise, they get all the hot sex with the younger girls they want. So yes, what women are demanding is *possible*, but only through the deceptive subjugation of large masses of men. They nearly succeeded, imho. I’m no biochemist but I’m guessing that if the brain chemistry of men were only slightly different than today, you might see a world of persistent and civilizationally-stable open hypergamy.
Fortunately for myself, that’s not the case.
March 28th, 2015 at 9:54 am
Haha this is hilarious and telling…
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/mar/27/lena-dunham-new-yorker-article-jews-dogs
“Others on social media questioned the magazine’s editorial judgement. “Did no New Yorker editor ponder the wisdom of literally comparing Jews to dogs?””
Well, they didn’t think of it that way…they thought of it as comparing men</i? to dogs, which is of course perfectly acceptable and even insightful.
March 28th, 2015 at 10:01 am
@Jeremy,
I think you are correct. It would explain my interactions with women to a great degree. Especially with my ex wife. It’s critically important to me to teach my son that women are natural dissemblers and it is best to never believe anything they say. Indeed they even do seen to dissemble to themselves. I suppose to function in such a mental state, where duplicity is paramount to survival, that there would be advantage to be gained by fully believing your own lies.
With women operating in such a state naturally I really have trouble seeing how any women could possibly lead, directly lead, at all. I wonder, with enough study and a proper upbringing, if women could become self aware of their own dissembling and duplicitous nature and hence function with a rational mind. And if any man would find such a masculine minded woman attractive?
In Buddhism women can not become a Buddha without becoming a man. So I suppose it may be possible for a woman to overcome her natural deceitfulness. But would such a person still be a woman?
And do you suppose that men’s naturally logical and rational minds evolved in response to women’s duplicity and dissembling? As a way to combat the advantage women gain from their deceit?
And if women do have such minds, and I believe that they do, then how is any woman ever going to be able to replicate a man in fields of logic and reason? They are not because their minds are built for deception not for reason.
I think it could be great fun to interact and have relationships with women. Much as I enjoy relationships with children and teens. But children and teenagers don’t have the power to destroy my life or enslave me with their white knights and proxy violence when they throw a temper tantrum.
March 28th, 2015 at 10:08 am
This is all I have to say for now:
Rattlesnake Shake from Fleetwood Mac, back in the day with Peter Green:
“Now, I know this guy
His name is Mick
Now he don’t care
When he ain’t go no chick
He do the shake
The rattlesnake shake
Yes, he do the shake
And jerks away the blues”
March 28th, 2015 at 10:16 am
Jeremy,
I get what you are saying and, on the surface, I agree. However, the AF/BB dichotomy that women are demanding, while women are getting this, they are still utterly confused as to why they aren’t happy. Why they aren’t attracted to the nice man they married and still long for the Alpha she spent a short time with years ago. What I argue women want, that is impossible, is the nice, good man whom they will be highly sexually attracted to. A man who will do their bidding, “respect” them, do the chores, wait on her, paint her toes and still be a man whom she will want to have sex with every night. They honestly believe that such a man exists. That she can hold the power and have all the beta feels combined with the alpha feels. It’s not possible.
March 28th, 2015 at 10:25 am
@Lucien,
Why do you care what this Dunham person thinks or states about anything at all? She seems like a harpy and is ugly to boot. I really have no idea why anyone cares one whit about this woman. She seems to be a woman who has cast aside the best parts of femininity to make room to poorly mimic the worst parts of masculinity. A person to be pitied, perhaps, but taken seriously?
March 28th, 2015 at 10:43 am
@StringsofCoins
Well, women don’t generally lead like men do, for one. However, that’s not satisfying because there clearly are some women who can be good leaders of men (though exceedingly rare they are). For that I would simply appeal to the greatest human attribute… adaptability. Humans are nothing if not capable of adaptation.
I don’t think of it as, “women have such minds,” I think in terms of, “women, by their own physical and social circumstances, must think in such ways in order for their genetics to succeed.” They’re forced into that situation. I couldn’t say if female genetics have predisposed them to being “good spies”, but it makes sense for some female evolution to have gone down that path since their sexual strategy has depended on it for a long time.
Also, the capability for deception says nothing about the ability to reason. If deceitful people were unable to see reason, politicians would be honest.
March 28th, 2015 at 10:44 am
@Stingray,
What I’ve seen women do to fulfill this strategy is polyandry. They will get married to their beta and cheat on him with their alphas until they get caught. They then divorce rape their beta and take away his children.
Other then absolutely refusing to be a beta supporter what do you suggest we do? Even refusing to be a beta supporter isn’t feasible as the government will take our money by threat of violence and transfer it to the women, forcing us to be beta providers for all women. I guess the only answer is spinning plates or celibacy. Also black knighting has become one of my favorite sports, though I risk my job to do so. It’s not even black knighting. It’s simply refusing to white knight. I guess I could work only enough to support myself while evading taxes to the highest degree possible. Perhaps move to one of these countries where men are not faced with such a terrible dilemma.
March 28th, 2015 at 11:15 am
Other then absolutely refusing to be a beta supporter what do you suggest we do?
I suggest that you decide what is important to you and set goals and work towards whatever that is. Yes, the FI makes that more difficult today, but not impossible.
March 28th, 2015 at 11:26 am
@Stingray,
Well now that you’ve painted specifics, yes, I’d say that man is impossible. Is this a case of NAWALT? Your picture is fairly specific, not that it’s wrong.
Keep in mind, that it is not entirely clear that women understand their own capacity to love. It’s quite possible that women also subject themselves to the belief that they can love men idealistically. This likely explains part of the distortion of women’s thinking when they’re young. When women are young, all men want them, period. Male biology dictates this to be the case, it’s just a happy accident thrown on women early in their life cycle. Since these women are getting all kinds of male attention, it must seem like just a matter of course that these young women are actually “falling in love” in an idealistic manner with one of these alphas they get attention from. It may never (rarely?) occur to them that their life cycle has a downside that requires significant pragmatism. I’m guessing the epiphany phase is quite a jarring experience considering the false premise that women start from, that of their own supposed capacity to love idealistically when in fact they were simply young and beautiful and alphas were throwing them all kinds of attention. They weren’t loving idealistically, their life cycle was simply throwing them a fantasy solution to their sexual strategy. In that situation, all feelings must feel like “true love”.
Later, when they’re saddled with BB hubby, it must all feel like a horrendous let-down, as if they “never really loved” BB. Sadly, this is probably the truth. What they’re not understanding is their own incapacity to love idealistically. Young women believe they love as men do, but they don’t. This reality doesn’t hit them until their ovaries start to shrivel and they have to capitalize ASAP or lose out entirely on their sexual strategy.
Yep, feminism was a disaster for women. Nothing but lies, packaged with lies, and bargained for with lies.
March 28th, 2015 at 11:26 am
What I’ve seen women do to fulfill this strategy is polyandry.
Secondly, while women will do this to fulfill this strategy, I think women are happier not getting everything they want. They are happier not having the beta feels at the same time as the alpha feels. When we are somewhat off kilter, when we are uneasy with the alpha, and we have to work for him, this is when we are at our happiest. We’re not bored, we get to do what we are good at in a fashion that is actually healthy by working to keep a man we want around.
This is where many of Roissy’s 16 commandments of poon come it. Keeping a woman off kilter. If wanting a woman around is one of any particular man’s goals, then finding that balance of keeping his woman happily off kilter is something he would want to learn how to do if it doesn’t come natural to him.
March 28th, 2015 at 11:28 am
A little more Lena for your viewing pleasure.
“33. One spring afternoon, we walked to Dumbo to check out a new artisanal-Popsicle stand, when we ran into my friend Jill. Jill is actually more of an acquaintance—I don’t know her well, but I really like her; she curates high-end terrariums and she’s a clog designer on the side. She’s really slim and well dressed, in an all-American, J. Crew-model sort of way. He was immediately all over her, panting and making a fool of himself. It was humiliating. Because here’s the thing: I am not a Jill. I will never be a Jill. And if that’s what he is looking for—some anorexic hipster with a glossy braid and freaking Swedish clog boots she sewed by hand—he should never have set his sights on me in the first place.”
Okay, before we get to the meat, I just have to highlight this line: “she curates high-end terrariums and she’s a clog designer on the side”. I mean, is that a line form an Austin Powers movie?This is the kind of tagline I would run into living down there when I would meet people. And it often meant that sh’s living off of Daddy’s money or her boyfriend’s – or both. Notice how Lena puts this right up front cuz she knows this projects real status in her world meaning that he can’t just bowl her over with her fame, so she’s left competing on looks and oh well, she is a dumpy bag of shit. I mean, I would never fuck her, ever. I could not get it up. I’m not exaggerating when I say that the various pics of her I’ve seen semi-naked or otherwise actually made me feel queasy.
This is item 33 out of a 35 bullet pointed girl-tantrum posing as an article. http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/mar/27/lena-dunham-new-yorker-article-jews-dogs It reveals a very nasty streak in Ms. Dunham indeed, and if this article was written by a man about his girlfriend, that man would be fired/banned by mainstream media, in a heartbeat. But I think it’s also what this article is all about – her rage at the SMP and her inability to escape it. Imagine if he was a CEO, or an author or actor? But of course, it would never get published in the first place.
I’m not shocked. It’s quite clear to me now that certain women need to preen their perceived superiority about, and the beta-tude on 11 vibe her boyfriend emits is as common as peas in the East Village where I used to live, although Brooklyn is it’s own hipster universe in real ways. Regardless, up close and personal contact with the hipsters due to my playing around the music scene down there convinced me that hipster men are mostly gaping manginas, so utterly feminized and progressively politicized by the FI that it’s gross.
Last. On the plane back home last night I was sandwiched between two women, a 39, italian Bostonian who was drunk and a 44 yr old, post wall, nurse, former hottie who had been raising a kid for the past 15 years. The drunk chick started talking, and before I knew it, it became a 3-way chatfest for a long time on the plane. Fyi, I never talk on planes, but she kind of sucked me i. I also enjoyed it actually, after a long week of pitching like mad.
They continuously demonstrated hypergamous and FI informed behavior and ideas, I won’t recount it all here but suffice it to say I know about the drunk’s mastectomy and the former-dime’s pre-menopausal suffering, and their relationships, and how they make more money than the men they date and how they offer to pay, but still want the man to pay for sometimes etc But I didn’t care, in fact I had a good time with them. I automatically do amused mastery now and was provocative, teasing them and alternately dominating and directing the conversation, and then letting them pull. I actually enjoy women more now as I see them for who they are, and I also enjoy being a man that they respond to.
I wasn’t interested in either, well, I actually might have taken a shot at the former-dime, but the logistics didn’t permit it. I do enjoy actually being comfortable being a man. A few times I scolded them and poked holes in their silliness, but I also regaled them with a couple of stories. I felt like a cat with a ball (or two). It’s nice not to be angry at women any more.
Isn’t that crazy? When I was BP, I was so much angrier at women, but in the real world now? I’m far less troubled by them. I do have some righteous anger at a few women who’ve actually harmed me intentionally, anger that I never really permitted myself to fully own before, so it’s a double-edged thing. But in general I enjoy women more than ever.
March 28th, 2015 at 11:41 am
Jeremy,
AWALT. The only time NAWALT applies is in a woman’s behavior. Never in her nature. Lest someone reading gets the idea of lesbains and asexuals or whatever else, these women are irrelevant to this discussion.
I do believe that women think they love the same as men do. Women hold men to the ideal and want to reach that ideal. But since we cannot inherently understand the ideal, we bastardize it. We take the worst of the male nature and combine it with the worst of our own nature and run with that claiming that it is somehow superior. Women hold onto this for dear life.
It may never (rarely?) occur to them that their life cycle has a downside that requires significant pragmatism.
I believe that is the case for today. I do not think this was the case in the past. My point being, women when taught the truth, women will be incredibly pragmatic about this and marry young as we used to do. The Epiphany phase is a product of never being taught the reality that men aren’t going to be nearly as interested in us as we age. So we must change our sexual strategy to get a man, the “good man” that women claim they want.
In that situation, all feelings must feel like “true love”.
Later, when they’re saddled with BB hubby, it must all feel like a horrendous let-down, as if they “never really loved” BB. Sadly, this is probably the truth. What they’re not understanding is their own incapacity to love idealistically.
Yes. I agree.
This reality doesn’t hit them until their ovaries start to shrivel and they have to capitalize ASAP or lose out entirely on their sexual strategy.
I don’t think reality ever hits most women, because most would find the idea that we don’t love idealistically shameful. It would mean that we are not capable of the same thing as men and that our love is less.
Yep, feminism was a disaster for women. Nothing but lies, packaged with lies, and bargained for with lies.
Yes. Sweet, sweet lies that are so incredibly easy to believe because being men seems to us to be the ideal.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Could someone please explain what black knighting is because I may have done it once.
March 28th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
Why do you care what this Dunham person thinks or states about anything at all? She seems like a harpy and is ugly to boot. I really have no idea why anyone cares one whit about this woman. She seems to be a woman who has cast aside the best parts of femininity to make room to poorly mimic the worst parts of masculinity. A person to be pitied, perhaps, but taken seriously?
Lena Doughgirl is a very clear and obvious example of the modern woman, that’s why it’s worth paying attention to her. But only in the form of “point and laugh”, or “look at the bad example”, or “how has Lena messed up this week?”, not as a serious person worthy of dialectic.
Plenty of Millennial women look to Lena in a similar way that plenty of X’r women looked to the women on “Sex & The City”. It behooves us to pay attention to the crap being foisted off on women. If nothing else, PUA’s need to know what templates are out there for single women to fit into.
The rest of us just need to be aware of the poison…
March 28th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
I care about Dunham because she’s a minstrel of propaganda who reflects the ideology which our elite, prog-marxist overlords subscribe to. Cloistered in “super-zips” in which their politics prodminate (in super zips over 70% identify as progressive or liberal, 11% as conservative with the rest being moonbat leftist communists and anarchists and such), they really live inside an echo chamber. Culture, particularly the cheesy, tawdry, cheap pop-culture posing as edgy, is easy for them to grasp. It takes no effort, no deep reflection, no instead it smashes you in the head and is easy to get as a fart.
I’m interested because of what she represents in our culture. I ask you others here, where do you think this goes? I mean, it just gets more and more vicious all the time, openly. This is a piece of radfem porn, fetishizing and preening about female power and dominance. What does that say about our society and where it’s headed?
March 28th, 2015 at 1:13 pm
Hey Glenn: Correct.
Dunham affects behavior.
March 28th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
@Stingray
Rollo has written time and again (and I’m inclined to agree) that women don’t actually believe their impossible standard for a man is possible. It’s the entire reason AFBB is so prevalent. What’s worse though is that between the extreme entitlement of the modern Princess complex and the fact that they blame men for not being able to make the standard real (instead of learning to have realistic standards), they pretty much consider us lower than dirt.
@Glenn
“Regardless, up close and personal contact with the hipsters due to my playing around the music scene down there convinced me that hipster men are mostly gaping manginas, so utterly feminized and progressively politicized by the FI that it’s gross.”
I had never been to NYC, so a couple years back when work shipped me up there for training I took a week to rent a loft in Brooklyn and hang out with a buddy that lives there. He was not from that area, so at the time he was starting to really absorb the culture. I had an absolute blast the whole time, but even though it was pretty Red Pill for me I spent a lot of time observing managing behaviors out of him and his friends.
Fast forward to now. The guy is routinely snubbed by chicks yet whenever we have discussions is super fast to veer in to “That’s sexist/misogynist/insensitive” when it comes to women. It honestly saddens me. I even suggested reading RM when he last complained about problems with dating, but he did a quick Google and promptly said anything linked from TRP on reddit was “probably misogynist and abusive”.
My personal experience ever time I meet the hipster type has been that they carry themselves in as feminized a manner as possible. Watching a long time friend fall in to it has been saddening, as while I do agree with some of the views he and I still share, I don’t agree with men supplicating and flogging themselves on the altar of female needs.
Merely espousing Enlightened Self Interest to these guys triggers a self-righteous dismissal and almost female passive-aggressive cattiness on the matter. Very disheartening, as I want to help my friends.
I know we have to live by example, but when the guys you want to help are being taught your example is “misogynist” No matter how wonderful it is, it’s incredibly frustrating.