“Men conquer worlds, women conquer men.” – Pook
From the time boys are about five years old, we’re taught self-control. Anyone with a young son understands the challenge in this, but for the most part the control we teach our boys differs from what we teach (or don’t teach) our girls. For the most part, this control is necessary to curb boys’ natural proclivities to take risks, but in a feminine-primary social order this inhibiting risk comes from a need for female security . Our young minds, boys and girls, lack the capacity for abstract thought. In fact, our brains continue to develop to their fullest potential right up to 20-21 years of age.
For millennia, adult men, fathers, mothers, the Village that is our larger social order, understood the need to place limitations on boys innate impulsiveness – usually for their own good. While these restrictions and discipline have always been a needed part of boys’ upbringing, today that self-control is taught in the context of how a young man can be more ‘correct’ by his female teachers. In the time of our old social contract teaching young men self-control and self-discipline was a means to self-mastery as an adult man. In the new social contract our gynocentric education system (and socialization) teaches boys discipline in the hopes that they will provide the security that women need.
And the way this is taught is by embedding a deep sense of shame and self-loathing of the male gender into ever-younger generations of future men. Mental Point of Origin is a constant theme in all of my literary work. I want to stress here that crushing any sense of self-priority or self-importance from boys and young men is the prime directive of a gynocentric education system. Last Saturday we discussed the “worshiping of women” on our new show Rule Zero. In this episode I pointed out that men are taught to place womankind on a pedestal from an early age. This meta-pedestalization of the feminine begins when boys are taught self-abasement as part of self-control. Essentially, all control becomes for boys is reducing themselves while aggrandizing (supporting) girls and later women. This is the main reason why wrapping your head around Mental Point of Origin is so difficult for men later in life. Their Blue Pill conditioning taught them to be servants as a means of proving their self-control.
Most women, certainly all feminists, will do their best to convince us that it’s still little girls who are taught to repress their naturally boyish natures. But it’s a cliché now to believe that little girls would be every bit as ‘curious about how the world works’ if not for a nebulous society that represses their passion for discovery. Since the Sexual Revolution our social order has done its damnedest to reverse gender roles – boys are taught to emulate the feminine, girls emulate the masculine. The Disney corporation has been the most active social agent in western culture in fomenting this reversal. Every story across all genres follows the same plot; a repressed little girl would make an even better boy if not for these Patriarchal rules she must break from. The story of Mulan is a good example. The girl Mulan must impersonate a boy in order to prove herself as a masculine equal – and to get closer to the Alpha male she naturally wants to pair with. Our popular fiction today all follows a similar teaching; girls need to break away from self-control to be more empowered.
The notion that little girls are ever taught to repress their natures is laughable in real life. If little boys are taught like they’re defective girls, then girls today are taught that they can literally do anything – and be free of any lasting consequences. In fact any restrictions, any pretense of a girl/woman requiring a degree of self-control is immediately associated with repression. This old order idea of female repression is a favorite trope for the Fempowerment narrative. The most marginal, well-meaning, criticism of women or the feminine is always steeped in ‘judgmentalism’. Being ‘judged’ is always a concern for women. For the past 3-4 generations of women, being freed from ‘repression’ is also to be free from judgement. They have an entitlement to avoid consequence.
On last week’s Rule Zero episode we asked a question: why is it so many men will abase themselves with women? If you’ve been Red Pill aware for a while it’s easy to just dismiss these guys and think they’re all just low self-esteem losers, but the belief is endemic to the 80% of Beta men. The combination of having been raised to prioritize the concerns of women above his own interest, and the notion that doing so will make him a better romantic catch in the eyes of women (who already feel entitled to him being a useful servant) turns self-abasement into a form of Beta Game.
Why does a man get down on one knee to propose marriage to a woman? Surely this old social contract form of abasement was an expectation of men. It’s in practically every romantic story ever told.
Under the old social contract a man was presumed to be above a woman in status. The old intersexual hierarchy of love followed from the man to the woman and then later to the child(ren). It was a natural, understood, dominance hierarchy prior to the Sexual Revolution. In all the old stories Disney has ever retold the presumption of this hierarchy defines the plot of the story. Of course now we’ve grown accustomed to gender swaps and expectation swaps in these retellings, but when a woman gets down on bended-knee to propose to a man – as her empowering teachers have taught her is acceptable – there’s something awkward when a woman abases herself to a man.
One of the prime directives of feminism is this:
Never do anything for the express pleasure of a man.
Anything a woman might do just to please a man is abasement. It smacks of the repressiveness little girls are told still holds them back in spite all the world’s attempts to advantage them. Doing something, wearing something, being something or behaving in a way that might intentionally please a man is the antithesis of the Strong Independent Woman® ideal. But yet, women are taught that they should expect to live in Sadie Hawkins’ World where they should feel empowered to ask the man on a date and ask him to marry her if he merits it. Again, it’s all part of the gender reversal we’re expected to embrace.
But when you see it, when a woman is doing the proposing, it doesn’t feel empowering. It feels awkward, backwards. Social constructionism says that awkwardness is the result of society teaching you stereotypical gender norms; but those norms haven’t been the standard for at least 4 generations. Disney’s taught us different for some time now. But it still looks weird. The man is supposed to initiate. The man is supposed display and she is supposed to choose. The man is supposed to abase himself, right?
Male abasement is a sign of submission in an age that expected him to be an Alpha already. There used to be a time when men were expected to be the masters of their lives. Men understood their Burden of Performance and built a life around creating (conquering) their own worlds. Certainly this achievement was motivated by finding a wife, but more so because of his innate sense of idealism.
The Ideal Man
The old social order expectations of men are still what women feel entitled to in the new order:
- Superior Physicality: He must be more than her equal in height and strength. Muscularity is an ideal in men. Women hold far more strict and static ideals of male beauty than men have ever held for women.
- Superior Dominance: He is respected, deferred to and sometimes feared by his peers. He holds status, power (in the traditional sense) and honor that is confirmed and reinforced by others – but only insofar as it can be useful to a woman. Women tend to have an immature understanding of the nature of power.
- Superior Confidence/Competence: He must be more innovative and competent than herself. Competence is directly tied to the Hypergamous doubt – “Is he the best I can do?” If she is more competent (or she believes she is) than he is it upsets the natural intersexual dominance hierarchy and ultimately his Frame control. Confident competence is the foundation of a woman’s need for long term security.
- Superior Mastery: He must be a master of himself and the world he directs. Again, this is tied to a woman’s need for security which he must ensure in the long term; even into his old age. He must “Just Get It” with her and understand women in general – this is derived from experience and being supremely desired by other women.
For all of this mastery the ideal man is expected to possess, the fantasy is that he must abase himself to her due to her uniqueness. The power of love is what he must defer to. Even today, in a post Sexual Revolution era, this chivalric ideal is still an unspoken expectation. That ideal is a superior man who abases himself to her, and only to her. This is the Beauty and the Beast archetypal story. The fantasy ideal man is only beholden to her particular charms. Men conquer worlds, women conquer men.
A few years ago (2012-13) I did a series of posts about the chivalric ideal. In those essays I proposed that the western concepts of chivalry, bastardized by the influence of ‘courtly love’, were an extension of power by the feminine. Essentially chivalry was feminism 1.0 in that it leveraged men’s obligations of honor to benefit the Feminine Imperative. Chivalry was a Male Space into which women inserted themselves (via courtly love), assimilated the principles and rewrote the rules to better fit themselves. We still see vestiges of this today when women post something on Facebook or Twitter stating that “only a ‘real’ man does the things that benefit me, my sexual strategy and my ensured survival and happiness.”
Male sacrifice now extends to a man abasing himself for an entitled benefit of womankind. It’s no longer just an expectation of undying love and commitment, it’s a surrendering of his evolved imperatives.
” Seem to …”
This would be social circle/community dependent.
Try to hold onto your last two meals.
And 90% of men have abdicated their individual conscience.for a social conscience to sound authoritative in a social group.
Wrath-man isn’t making bold and courageous pronouncements. He’s telling us what many here already believe and contentiously so. He isn’t interested in living better. He’s realizes he isn’t and apes the manner of an insult comic to show his macho-cred. His ego can’t take the hit..so he preemptively attacks.
After all said he’s yet a banal clown.
Coolie You are a johnny come lately here. Scribbler has been here for four years. He figured himself out. And he carved out an insular life. Just because he throws up Strawman Argument Fallacies doesn’t mean he isn’t insular. He’s smart, unlike you. He can read guys. He can read life. He just chooses to seal his life scars and wounds in a certain fashion and come here to make up shit about others not doing well. Always with the talking down. He’s a great guy. When he is. I have a lot of respect for him. He’s doing the… Read more »
You deserve merit among a group of men here? Why?
Because? What, where and who are you as a man?
It’s about you. Not who you see us as.
“All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”
Worst part of this? All you fucking pussies who play ball with women’s delusional sense of their own worth and power make it much harder for the rest of us who don’t put up with any of that bullshit. Worst of the worst? The white knights who undermine actual independent men who know their own worth. Saddest? None of this gets the pussy boy or the white knight laid, but he does get the satisfaction of being seen as a “good guy”. And if he does happen to get laid, it’s sympathy sex. Like even if he does try to… Read more »
Good to see Scribs chiming in. I’m not here anywhere near as often as I was in the past. Been getting my head together, quit booze & gunja, focusing on my goals, getting fitter and more focused. Meditating, rocking a more spiritual, non religious practice… Anyways, on the topic at hand, it’s been a fun journey with the new girl, one who i was keen on for a while. She was keen too, but just needed some time to trust getting involved with a man after a very bad abusive experience a few years ago. It’s been a confirmation of… Read more »
Chill Deadmau5 sets also create the right mood for women to chill and feel sexy when in your domain. There is a ton of his electronica on YouTube… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXQ5923S8ws This is also good for a relaxing nite with your babe ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnRB7-zipw Try them & explore the abundance of good electronica with your girl/s if you haven’t before, and tell me how it goes… Enjoy, gentlemen. May the girls be with you!
Do you encounter many young 8’s and 9’s? I don’t see a lot of them up close and personal . I currently have 2 friends with benefits 1 23 and the other 30. I would say that they are 6 and 7 which I think is well above average . They’re very pretty girls with great bodies. But I’d say I’ve never saw an honest to goodness 9 anywhere. Best bet is a college town/campus. In the post-college age set, 9+s are typically not in the general circulation. So you will generally go a long time before seeing an actual… Read more »
” . . . generally go a long time before seeing an actual 9 in general circulation who is older than 23.”
Because the general age range is 16-22. Nearly all top models who are able to persist in the game past 24 had established themselves as a saleable commodity at a younger age and are “coasting.”
Hyo Silver, Now I want to hear about your next dirt bike adventure with the boys.
“Your six-pack is meaningless if you behave like an asshole.”
“Your six-pack is meaningless if you behave like a sweet guy.”
“Who’s them alls?”
Whoever pays attention to scribbs’ crud, lol. (I’m on a firetrucking machine that screens language.)
I quite like Scribbs. He has conviction although it is misguided. He is more part of this community than me. He’s like the naughty boy of the group. At times he will write something and I will nod and agree but then a few sentences later he will hit the self destruct button. My palm will then hit my face. I am personly tired of hearing the narrative ‘Get ripped, get the money and then get the wamen’. It is a very rudimentary, self serving platitude. Only if life were that easy. It is a very Tony Robbins approach in… Read more »
Unis won’t have concentrations though. For that best bet is be in the industry. Photographer, Booker etc. DPA HoFamer Peter Tunney formed an agency as a side venture just for access… https://www.instagram.com/p/ByB9ZoLF8qc https://www.instagram.com/p/BxxquAOAnPv/ Next best is be where they are. Parts of LA, NYC, South Beach in season, fashion weeks, etc. I’ve mentioned Union Square Park. There are half a dozen agencies around there. See models going to and fro. The Whole Foods on Houston is reliable… Cool spots in LA and NYC, just before the public at large heard about them. 5 star hotel lobby bars… Wherever there is… Read more »
I was out late last night getting milk and prescriptions for grandbaby Gamer. At one place, ten people, both women and men, were oohing and ahhing over her. Got a fist bump to “grandpa” from a hispanic immigrant over the baby. Also people were making to do over the baby at Walgreens. However, one early 30s woman, who was about a 7-8, didn’t. I suspect that she didn’t like the competition and reminder that she was aging.
Facebook is down the hall and to the left.
” Hispanic immigrant… “. 😂
For that best bet is be in the industry. Photographer, Booker etc.
Without question. If you can access that “non-general-circulation” world, you’ll find them there and in numbers.
@ Hammersmith, Novaseeker I’m in top ten US metro area, with 2 large universities. I cant ever remember seeing 9s or 10s in real life. The 7s and 8s are rarely sighted like endangered species. I occasionally three at my gym in suburbia, but two of those are married and work out with their husbands who are mate guarding. Same situation for day game / night game / online game. Women who are overweight get overwhelmed with male attention and pedestalized by beta male orbiters on instagram, tinder, IRL, who tell them that thicc is the new sexy. Fat acceptance… Read more »
Wildside I quite like Scribbs. He has conviction although it is misguided. He is more part of this community than me. He’s like the naughty boy of the group The good: He quit the whole Sugar Baby scene a couple of years back. He provided links to the very useful book Biology of Desire, introducing some men to the concept of neuroplasticity. The bad: His driveby comments are all pretty much the same; foaming rage, sweeping generalzations, rarely bothers to read replies. He’s arguing with some imaginary “alt right manosphere” inside his head, but pointing his flamethrower at men on… Read more »
Zoe Quinn tries to make herself relevant again and we lose another one:
She wasn’t ever relevant in the first place.
But, truth be told, I don’t play games or whatever, so I tended to ignore drama in the gamer world.
Fuck that hoe.
Great video, like blax said Who the Fuck is Zoe Quinn? my kids had a dog named Zoe. He makes some good points on bringing shit up ten years after and being both the victim and the perpetrator at the same time.
We lost another one to the gender war.
Remember when #MeToo was just getting going and you wondered how far it would go?
It’s still going, so we aren’t “there” yet, wherever “there” is.
There may have been other suicides, I cannot say. But this obviously depressed man pretty much was bullied to death by a Twatter mob, led by an insecure, attention whoring drama queen.
Strong, independent Feminists fightin’ Teh Patriarchy! Yeah!
AR https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide.shtml https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/ #MeToo is not responsible for the majority of male suicides There has been something very wrong in American society for quite a while now. And since it’s left unaddressed, it will only continue and get worse. I’m more concerned about mass shooters than #metoo at this point. 2019 US Mass Shooting Statistics By Month Month Mass Shootings Total number killed Total number wounded Occurred at a school Occurred at a place of worship January 28 48 86 0 0 February 22 38 68 0 0 March 21 13 89 0 0 April 34 23 136 1 1… Read more »
.. fucking formatting
Blaximus #MeToo is not responsible for the majority of male suicides Where did I write anything like that? You hanging out with the voices in Scribs head or something? There has been something very wrong in American society for quite a while now. Yeah, I know. Pointed that out here aback in 2015 if I remember right. And since it’s left unaddressed, it will only continue and get worse. Yup. Some might even call it a “gender war”. I’m more concerned about mass shooters than #metoo at this point. THere’s this word “and”, might consider it. In any event, this… Read more »
The MSM shares your view BLAX
“There has been something very wrong in American society for quite a while now. And since it’s left unaddressed, it will only continue and get worse.” When asked here a while ago what I thought of the long term prospects, I offered the opinion that we are not quite past the point of no return where nothing can be done, but are past the point of no return where anything will be done. I note that Peter Hitchens no longer considers himself a political activist, but is rather now the obituarist of Britain. He no longer writes about what must… Read more »
Interesting. I agree. I had a headache inducing conversation yesterday with a man about the state of the country and what lies ahead. I made the point about ” tipping point ” and that eventually we will go the way of Rome as history is more than a collection of words. I agree that we could do a lot to stave off and possibly reverse the situation we find ourselves in, but the odds that we will do so are slim to none. Looks like we’ll just devolve into Spain. The man I was conversing with was ex military. His… Read more »
@Anonymous Reader I’ve always enjoyed Peterson’s response to the idea of the Patriarchy. It mirrors Rollo’s complementary history of intersex relations. I know Peterson is not considered red-pill, yet I find much of his take very helpful. What ties the bow for me on so many levels is this piece http://www.denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm I think Rollo did a post on it 7 years ago. The conclusion is worth a re-read. I’ll cut and paste it if anyone has problems with the link. So, I’ve been reading some stories by Alistair Macleod, a collection which focuses on the culture of Cape Breton. Printed… Read more »
The American Nerd is actually a very important cultural figure that warrants analysis from the Red Pill. Nerds grew up hating bullies and being dismissed as sexual prospects for lack of social clout(lack of looks notwithstanding). Probably as an outgrowth of that wierd shit that happened in the 60s where the sensitive man was being glorified and since then nerds got divvied up into further subcategories culminating in super-thin, perm-hair, revolutionary lumbersexual, and fat smelly Yu-gi-oh player. And everything else in between. Where Muscledicks and Gymfags backed off and buy a pickup truck, the Gamers told Zoe Quimm that she… Read more »
Looks like we’ll just devolve into Spain. Possible, although I don’t think a civil war like happened in Spain in the 30s is likely here. The military would have to, in effect, divide against itself and fight a war with itself — that seems very unlikely given today’s military. Personally I would guess we end up slowly and lazily slouching into a kind of Brasil Norte. The elite class stays more or less intact, but also more or less out of general circulation, and separate from the mass population. The mass population becomes poorer, less ethnically differentiated, more politically radical… Read more »
” . . . it seems to me that the nuclear family itself is too isolated to really function well without other similar group members for support in the mix.” Historically the majority of nuclear families lived within hailing distance of the nuclear families of their kin and only a minority ever traveled more than 10 miles (half a day’s walk) from where they were born. Even in colonial times hundreds of millions stayed where they were born and only thousands of the most adventurous and most desperate went west. And even those found a place to plant their flag… Read more »
“— that seems very unlikely given today’s military.”
Today’s military will be history. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that future conflicts will be reenactments of past conflicts.
If respect for Federal authority deteriorates, the Federal military will deteriorate. Its own members will go home to fight for their own interests there.
“A page back I mentioned Dunbar’s number, and it makes me want to ask what the OMGs here have done or think is best to bridge that gap between the nuclear/extended family to the bigger band/village/tribe.” Well, then, Just Beers that really depends on what you are trying to solve for in your own circumstances. Doesn’t it? And it is always recursive to that pesky The Anna Karenina Principle. What’s best is to leverage your strengths and minimize your weaknesses. For example: Avoid the unhappy and the unlucky. “You can die from someone else’s misery—emotional states are as infectious as… Read more »
I just left a post for Just Beers, about integrating with the world, that got filtered.
I think you have filters set to weed out *aren with a capital k. And I like to mention the anna *arenina principle in every other post.
Can you see if you can let my post go through?
@SJF you mean this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina_principle, right? you have it above, too. Looking forward to your post in the meantime,thank you for responding. @kfg yes, re: families used to being so close together. When I had my son, we did not lack for help monetarily (the source of which became a very big issue in our relationship, one of many destructive seeds) but we lacked FAMILY. All the money in the world cannot replace family or an equivalent extended network of great, like-minded friends… @Blaximus Re: family, do you feel that maybe that this lack of closely knit to extended family… Read more »
Relative to Tradition and religion
Culture and Men (Northwestern university)
My last post didn’t go through either. What gives?
This at (SJF)
That was a sweet video. I really enjoyed it. Thanks.
I never get depressed. I think it’s 90% genetic and the other half is mental frame.
Some people have an extremely hard existence. That can cause unrelenting stress, leading to depression. In that case, it is more or less a mental frame issue, but not many people can endure constant stress without some form of mental consequence. That’s why torture works. Others have a genetic component that lends more to becoming depressed. The dreaded ” chemical imbalance ” thing. Most people won’t become depressed if they’ve never been tested by being stressed beyond their personal limitations consistently. That’s why some men will kill themselves over ” loss ” of something, and others just keep going. The… Read more »
OK help with this…
Our “psychopath ninja bodybuilding biker” pins this tweet – from Transylvania mind you…
“The War Room is NOT for those who simply masturbate and fantasize.’
and then follows it up with this one:
“With the Master of Spells and Shadows:
The one and only @Iggy_Semmelweis.
WHAT DREAMS MAY COME?
In the dark of night,
Where men fear to tread unarmored,
Iggy is the socereror unbound.”
We are reaching historic levels of LARP here with these clowns in Romania…
Our guide to the “Dark World” the worldly Ivan Throne, gets taken in the most basic of tourist scams… and doesn’t realize it… lolz
The taxi driver in Transylvania had navigation but claimed to get lost or “confused” which restaurant we wanted and thus kept driving around then charged us more than twice the quote given at the hotel.
Sentient quotes Ivan Throne The taxi driver in Transylvania had navigation… Lol, whut? Always have a local along for the ride in Eastern Europe, amirite Palma? Shucks, I’m nowhere near as Manly™ as Ivan, yet I came close to pay-n-bail in a taxi on the East coast earlier this year, when the driver was having trouble finding our hotel. It began to look like he was circling the target in an older X-Y / chessboard street grid. But it turned out that he wasn’t scamming, I could see his screen, he was just not totally up to speed on the… Read more »
“@SJF you mean this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina_principle, right? you have it above, too.
Looking forward to your post in the meantime,thank you for responding.
There was a spam bot last year and Rollo filtered out the name *aren with a K.
He re-established, allowed through our posts. Also an earlier reply I had to the prince name Coolio.
“Why does a man get down on one knee to propose marriage to a woman?”
Will never do this. My dad didn’t and I won’t.😎
Again, attempting to change language to fit a feminine agenda:
“Men conquer worlds, women conquer men.” This reminded me…. Some of the first redpill slaps in the head for me came from Ayn Rand’s book Atlas Shrugged. Hank Reardon’s wife Lillian to Dagny Taggart about her brother Jim Taggert’s new hot young simple wife: “Well, consider your sister-in-law, Miss Taggart. What chance did she have to rise in the world? None— by your exacting standards. She could not have made a successful career in business. She does not possess your unusual mind. Besides, men would have made it impossible for her. They would have found her too attractive. So she… Read more »