Sexual Selection & Existential Fear

Way back in the early years of this blog I wrote a post flipping a common feminist trope on its head. In Women’s Physical Standards I laid out the case that it is women, not men, who hold the most stringent and static standards for ideal male beauty.

…from a purely physical perspective, it is women’s idealized masculine form that hasn’t changed in millennia. While there may have been a Rubenesque period when men loved the fatties of the 1600′s, no such era ever existed for women’s physical preferences. The classic broad chest, wide shoulders, six-pack abs and squared jaws of greco-roman athleticism are still the idealized male form that has graced EVERY romance novel cover in existence. I’m still waiting for someone to post me a link for a dating site that caters exclusively to women’s fetish of BBMs – Big Beautiful Men – average to good looking, fit, women specifically looking overweight men. Executive Introductions caters to women seeking affluent, influential men, but women just looking for overweight men, that site doesn’t exist.

I wrote this essay in a time well before apps like Tinder and Bumble became household names. Since then (September, 2011) the sexual marketplace has fundamentally shifted to exactly the state I saw it going to then, and all it took to prove it was a handful of fuckingdating’ apps to facilitate Hypergamy. In 8 years women have proven they are every bit as viscerally motivated by men’s physical appeal as I spelled out in this post. Back then I was run up the flagpole for suggesting women were the ones with “unrealistic beauty standards”, now it seem matter of fact.

Of course, the double standard has gotten much worse with respect to men having any sexual selection standards. In Maryland we have the instance of high school boys being pilloried on a global stage for daring to rate their female classmates’ looks on a 1 to 10 scale. Ironically, the the same teen girls who took such offense to this will think nothing of swiping left or right on a potentially lover on Tinder in just a few short years. In fact, they’ll think it’s normal for a woman to base her sexual selection on the physical, yet the same is sexual objectification for men to do the same. Certainly, men will never be allowed to voice their physical preferences without the fear of personal destruction in our Global Village.

About 5-6 months ago, Pat Campbell, my co-host on Red Pill 101, linked me to a pair of stories about how offensive some social justice warriors found it that young men were avoiding trans-gender ‘girls‘ as potential dates. The logic was that more evolved heterosexual young men should feel attraction towards a trans-gender, biological male, if he was presenting himself as a female. The natural sexual selection process for those young men, and by extension all men, was being circumvented by the social imperatives of others.

Pat also linked me to a story where a popular, heterosexual, high school quarterback accepted the Homecoming Dance proposal of another homosexual young man. As expected, the story was written as a heartwarming victory for modern progressivism and a young man “secure in his masculinity” praised as a hero for essentially accepting a social control over his sexual selection process. Naturally, the predictable hate to overcome would be from ‘less evolved’ guys alleging the quarterback was really gay.

This is the pre-written script we expect will follow (the clichéd triumph over homophobia), but the real story here is that a young man’s sexual selection process has been removed from his direct control. If the quarterback had refused the proposal the best he could hope for would be that no story would be written about it – but the more likely story would be him having to defend himself against his homophobia. In essence, the threat of a global online mob ruining his future makes accepting the proposal a necessity.

In 2019 men’s control over their sexual selectivity is something women don’t want to hear about. Part of ensuring that Hypergamy is the defining social dynamic today includes exercising as much control over men’s sexual selection process as possible. As fluid as men’s selection naturally is, it’s still out of women’s total control. The method to that control is social pressure. Women’s need to insure against their own Existential Fear of pairing with an unacceptable guy is so obsessive they will resort to social engineering.

Tinder and Bumble are social engineering programs as much as they are facilitators of women’s Hypergamy. Body Positivity / Fat Acceptance (exclusively for women) is equally a social conditioning effort. But for these and more the latent purpose is the same – convincing men to repress their evolved sexual selection proclivities in favor of accepting women’s selection process as the ‘correct’ one. The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies states that for on sex’s strategy to succeed the other’s must be compromised or abandoned. In today’s feminine-primary social order, the Feminine Imperative wants nothing less than complete abandonment from men – and it will use every social and political means available to insure men do.

Men must be raised up and conditioned from the earliest age to accept women’s strategy and their role in it as the only acceptable one. Men’s selection of a mate must be made for him according to women’s standards. Many times I’m asked how to go about “vetting for a wife”. I’m asked what the criteria, what aspects, what traits should a woman possess to make her “marriage material”. From a Red Pill perspective a lot of what I lay out seems highly offensive to the sensibilities of men and women conditioned by the Feminine Imperative. But the qualities, and the reasons I define them being desirable, are nothing any man who is invested in his own sexual strategy wouldn’t find mundane.

It’s not difficult to figure out what attributes in women would make for a good pairing – what’s offensive is that a man would ever have the temerity to require a woman to possess them at all.

It’s offensive to feminized sensibilities for a man to speak aloud the things he wants from a woman. How dare he ever have the presence of mind to create a list of acceptable qualities for a potential long term mate. Who is he to make demands? Has he not learned that Hypergamy and women’s needs now define his existence?

I’ve written in the past about how women commodify their own sexuality. We’ve pandered to the security needs of women for so long they feel entitled to their being met. We’ve developed a social order that’s prime directive is to insure against women’s Existential Fear of ever having to worry about a bad Hypergamous decision. We ensure that they can voluntarily reproduce at will via sperm banks and frozen eggs. We demand that men find them arousing no matter what their physical condition and in spite of 100,000 years of evolved arousal cues. Gynocentrism demands men be nothing more than willing participants in women’s sexual / life strategies.

A day ago I posted this quote on Twitter:

Women only see men as breeding stock or draft animals.

Women and their ‘allies’ lost their collective minds. Follow that link, see for yourself. It’s a litany of middle school blathering and presumption about my motives for making public what most of these feminists confirmed. All the responses are the predictable boilerplate you’d expect from a generation of women used to parroting back what the Village has taught them to respond with for so long.

But what is my observation revealing here? Nothing that we don’t already know – women define the reproductive process in western culture. And again, most of these feminists proudly agree with the observation. They say, “Yeah, as it should be”, while their oblivious male ‘allies’ seek affirmation.

The boys at the Maryland high school got caught in the gynocratic gears. They weren’t properly conditioned to know their place. They did what most guys in high school do, they compare notes, they make comparisons, because they still believed they might be allowed to have a preference of who they want to date, bang, have for a girlfriend, have for a wife. How dare they!

When the Beta Bucks / provisioning side of the Hypergamous equation is more or less accommodated for by the social order the only thing left is Alpha Fucks. This is Hypergamy on a meta-scale. Why would any woman bother with the notion of Value Added to make herself more ‘marriageable’? Men aren’t allowed to have preferences. They should feel lucky that a woman would date them in the first place. Feminism has taught her that if she is to be the ideal Strong Independent Woman® she is “never to do anything for the express pleasure of a man.” And besides, the exciting guys, the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys who she does swipe right on; those guys don’t care about ‘value added’ – they care about fucking.

The New Polyandry I described is an extension of ensuring women’s Existential Fear is always compensated for on a societal level.

The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality.

Roissy

I’ve quoted this in other essays. Usually I’m asked why this would at all be feminists goal?

“You think feminism is all about controlling your dicks?”

In essence, yes, but really it’s about affording women unilateral control over their Existential Fear and absolving them of any consequences for the bad decisions made in controlling for it. In the last essay I stated that Abortion is Eugenics, but isn’t affording women total control of human reproduction eugenics? Isn’t socially engineering and conditioning men’s behavior to accept women’s sexual strategy as the “correct”, normal one eugenics as well?

I would say yes, except, the Sisterhood doesn’t have a ‘master race’ planned. There is no uniform conscious direction to this eugenics. It’s all driven by women natural, evolved mental firmware and impulses – all facilitated by the power afforded to them by men. We’ve unfettered Hypergamy. We’ve allowed women to do something unprecedented in human history, we’ve given women the reins of the direction of human reproduction.

And we’ve done this at the same time we’ve maximally restricted male sexuality. Dr. Jordan Peterson once predicted that in the future any expression of male sexuality will be illegal. I would amend that: any Beta male expression of sexuality will be deemed offensive or illegal.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Sentient Shots fired in the war over a “woman’s right to choose”… Her hairstyle. That…thing….at brainsharper is really badly written. It’s like an Instagram post that got out of control. Who did what to whom when where and how? Sorry, too busy being chatty to let out details except by dribble. Random facts in no order: The 13 year old looks closer to 16, which is not a surprise in the “surrounded by strong women” mode. The aunt’s duckface is a big tell regarding her personality. The father’s new wife is zero improvement over the previous woman. Likely she snagged… Read more »

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Video of Bob Kraft, 77 year old owner of the Boston Patriots, is apparently being shopped around. Not just “walking into the day spa lobby” vid, but “massage table” vid.

https://www.biblio.com/cart.php?bid=498345009&country=1&currency=1&aid=bkfndr&add=1&refresh=1

Wow, there’s cameras hidden in Asian massage parlors ? No doubt for security purposes only, except maybe for a little blackmail on the side or some such.

Zowie, who could have seen that coming?

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Meanwhile in libertarian news a couple who decided to engage in “sea-steading” off the coast of Thailand are now on the run and in hiding from that government. The Thai position is they were attempting to violate the national sovereignty of Thailand in terms of drawing borders.

The official punishments are: life in prison, or death by execution.

Ooops.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/michigan-man-on-the-run-from-thai-gov-for-seasteading-in-international-waters

https://nationalpost.com/news/the-first-seasteaders-in-rough-waters-after-thai-navy-swoops-in

Always know the rules of the game before putting up an ante.
Although maybe he did make enough Bitcoin somehow to be independent, if he can get far away from Phuket…

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The primal fear of men in a long term relationship is his partner retiring from the act of sex. Both are aware it will happen, but men seek to delay this moment for as long as (and by any means) possible. A woman who has met her hypergamous ideal and wants to keep him out of the arms of another, finds herself having to leave a sexual impression unlike any he could hope to experience. A man could stay with her in retirement, knowing they once enjoyed something he could never recreate with someone else. The Bachman Turner Overdrive hit… Read more »

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Ollie “The primal fear of men in a long term relationship is his partner retiring from the act of sex. Both are aware it will happen, but men seek to delay this moment for as long as (and by any means) possible.” Would you care to expand on this? And while you’re at it…. “How can you make it work, for one? Can that moment where she gave herself so completely to you, be enough? Lobotomising yourself with drink for the times when it’s not.” Shit sounds depressing as hell, but I’m curious why/how you came to this idea. I’ve… Read more »

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@Ollie The primal fear or primary fear of most people is the fear of abandonment,this stems from infant parent dependence. What Rollo is referring to is existential fear , this is survival fear as in the survival of your genealogy continuing in this world. Will you continue to exist in some form after death? The BTO song is a groupie mentality,as in she (big brown eyes,devil woman) is on the cock carousel and talking to alpha rockstar “heres some lovin you won’t forget”. The Mel E song is proof that dread works better than promises of fidelity,she is turned on… Read more »

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@Rollo,Top of the mountain to you!

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@ wahoo Good Morning. fear of abandonment = existential fear = fear of nothingness = dread I guess you could apply all those differences to specific situations and call them unique. IMO human fear is about meaninglessness in all it’s varied forms. Which brings me to Blax…. “I think a lot of guys love ejaculating, but they don’t enjoy ” sex and intimacy ” very much at all.” Which is to say, when sex walks further and further away from it’s primary meaning “dudes (then) ponder what the future holds for them”. Ollie ponders existential questions as he and a… Read more »

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Wow, there’s cameras hidden in Asian massage parlors ?

Actually the cops put them in, after phoning in a fake bomb threat to evacuate the place…

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@Wahoo McDaniels “What Rollo is referring to is existential fear , this is survival fear as in the survival of your genealogy continuing in this world. Will you continue to exist in some form after death?” Which is why I stipulated ‘long term relationships’ in the first sentence. It still falls within the remit of intersexual dynamics. “The BTO song is a groupie mentality,as in she (big brown eyes,devil woman) is on the cock carousel and talking to alpha rockstar “heres some lovin you won’t forget”.” The groupie still wants to land the rockstar and has to offer something he… Read more »

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More entertainment in the Bob Kraft case. Kraft’s attorneys go after the cops for allegedly leaking the massage-table-tape: https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04/19/attorneys-accuse-police-prosecutors-of-leaking-kraft-video/ Plus that tape is “pornography” and so should not be, uh, released… https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04/19/attorneys-accuse-police-prosecutors-of-leaking-kraft-video/ Other men are copping a plea deal https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04/12/5-men-accept-state-attorneys-deal-in-florida-day-spa-case/ Do men get legit massage at these places? Maybe so, there’s an “invasion of privacy” suit https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04/17/man-filmed-getting-massage-at-florida-spa-files-lawsuit/ The big reason for all these cameras was something about “human trafficking”. I’m totally against that sort of thing. But why is it that nobody has been charged with that crime in all these months? Should be a slam dunk, right? But so… Read more »

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Ollie Never have heard of a woman’s sexual retirement, from my experience 80yo widows are still on the hunt for whatever male companionship they can get. Your whole premise is false. There is some advice in the bible; Proverbs 5:18-19 ESV “Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, a lovely deer, a graceful doe. Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight; be intoxicated always in her love.” This is the proper way to think of the LTR in the golden years. Remember her in her youth. Sexual retirement LOL Your whole… Read more »

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OT. Okay, so those of you who pay attention to me may have noticed my critique of the manosphere’s use of “alpha”. I see it as being applied too generally and without proper context. I note that alpha comes from the animal kingdom, with much simpler social structures. The alpha pack leader in wolves and other species can be female too. And that what this has been reduced to is “social dominance hierarchies”. And when transferring alpha to human social order, I believe we are being far to reductionist and simplistic to analyze human social groups and interactions into dominance… Read more »

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@Robert – My experience with PUA was exactly the opposite of what you stated. In fact, it was PUA that made me understand intersexual dynamics for realz versus yacking about it on blogs and shit. It helped me with female clients, my sisters, my daughter and I’m sure someday will help me with my granddaughter who is now just over 1yo. But I also think all PUA is not equal. I dabbled with Krauser and street game, RSD and even some of Roosh’s advice. But in the end, the method I studied and internalized was Mystery Method cuz everyone else… Read more »

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@Scribbler, My point is that this is good news. Men can learn social intelligence without having to be the top dog, and demonstrate it to generate interest from women. Yes, and when you’re relaxed you don’t have to try so damn hard and make a spectacle of it. Are you seeking validation from women when you are working at generating interest? I’m interested in a bullet list of what you consider alpha. That was good what you started there with the SMV aspect. Take it a step further to spark the convo here. IMO SMV has a very limited scope,… Read more »

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How was your experience different? My own recent experience was to finally move past getting validation from women. Not saying I still won’t get an ego stroke from it strolling through a bar, but it’s not a driving force in my ego. Once you realize seeking validation from women is weak you will look inward. When you’ve conquered that you can then measure yourself up against others as a true yardstick. That is when N counts no longer matter. I can strut through any bar with my 6’3′ athletic frame and throw my dick around and don’t have a problem… Read more »

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“Long ago SJF and I here clashed over his love of the utterly debunked Myers-Briggs personality types – INTJSUCKMYCOCK – or whatever. Hahaha. You cited debunking as it’s misapplication for judging roles of employees in the workforce and for judging outcomes. There’s no question that that is bullshit from a top down judging aspect. Yes, and The Big Five Personality test is the only one that can do that, blah, blah, blah….. And there is no question personality profiles can change. And they should change if things aren’t what you really prefer or function well with. Change if you want… Read more »

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“The Turks pay me a golden treasure and yet I am poor, because I am a river to my people.”

Social dominance doesn’t mean strong arming everybody in your path and being alpha doesn’t mean being a jerk. And alpha is a heuristic, not an engineering spec.

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I think it’s no use explaining anymore.

Let’s just call alpha jerks, Assholes, thugs and certified ass kickers and call it a day. Social dominance= ruling over others via force or the threat thereof.

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“And alpha is a heuristic, not an engineering spec.” There ya go. The same can be said of Know Thyself (and your wives and girlfriends) regarding Myers-Briggs. Damn right, I liked it sped up The Process. And it worked very very well. A heuristic technique, often called simply a heuristic, is any approach to problem solving or self-discovery that employs a practical method, not guaranteed to be optimal, perfect, logical, or rational, but instead sufficient for reaching an immediate goal. Where finding an optimal solution is impossible or impractical, heuristic methods can be used to speed up the process of… Read more »

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Back in the previous century i took a course in basic probability / statistics. The department assigned a Chinese grad stoodnt to teach it. It took a while to get my ear tuned up to his speech pattern, but eventually I knew plenty about not just Beta, Dehta but also Arfa.

Sadly, he never did tell us what the True Arfa is…thus I cannot share that here and now.
Sincere apologies for that.

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“Many social situations require me to not dominate in order to be successful.”

RP translation: I sometimes don’t argue the contentiousness of “Paper or plastic, sir?”

“If there was a potential for violence, did I escalate and get in a fist fight, or did I diffuse it? Or did I just exit?”

RP translation: I don’t look at explosions.

https://youtu.be/Sqz5dbs5zmo

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I think it’s no use explaining anymore.

Well, apparently it’s easier than discussing the original essay.

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Wahoo McDaniels Never have heard of a woman’s sexual retirement, from my experience 80yo widows are still on the hunt for whatever male companionship they can get. C’mon, “sompanionship” and “sex” are not necessarily the same thing. Sheesh. Not all old ladies are Betty White. Hormone decline in women leads to a lot of things, from osteoporosis to thinning of epithelial tissues all over the body. Other medical issues can be a real problem. But ultimately we both know what the real issue is with any deadbedroom. You wrote: While it takes two to tango, don’t marry your teacher. Rather… Read more »

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@AR

Before friday!

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Alpha=Brains + Brawn + Plate theory

Beta=Brains + Brawn – Plate theory

Gamma=What the Blue Pills call Beta+Dunning Kruger. Typically both.

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Wahoo

Before friday!

Whose frame is she in? That makes the diff…

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Lets all hold hands and think happy thoughts. This is the way it should be. If anyone interferes, we’ll label them. Thereby denigrating their opinions without ever having to engage their merit. Making it easier for us to brush them aside and go back to thinking our happy thoughts.

Isn’t that how we got here in the first place?

I would rather stare into the abyss and gauge the effect it will have on me in years to come, than pretend it wasn’t there. Not that anyone really could.

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@Roused – I think SMV is an idea that helps one think about the sum total of who they are in a sexual context when women are selecting a mate for short or long term. It helps us understand that we are in competition for sexual partners and that we are in a “tournament mating” environment. As with many species in which females exercise sexual selection in the majority of situations this has been an engine of human development and progress so it’s nothing to lament. But sadly, I see many in the manosphere who still don’t really understand it.… Read more »

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@Roused – Why on earth do you equate getting laid and having good game as “seeking validation from women”? The exact opposite is true. When pussy was hard to get and a mystery, getting laid and a hotties attention was very validating and meaningful. This is a Blue Pilled mindset. Now? I enjoy it, of course. Flirting, in particular, is fun. But you seem to reduce that to “seeking validation”. You are projecting I think as that simply isn’t my reality. None of it is anywhere near as meaningful as it once was to me. Maybe that’s not your Red… Read more »

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Re: @Ehintellect – What a fucking mess he is. His comments are mostly incoherent bitter drivel at this point. Look at his last “RP translation” of my comments – juvenile idiocy. Guys, do you need @Eh interpreting me for you? Do you see how desperate he is to dominate me? And how pathetically he fails? Lol, he’s the perfect Purple Pilling, manospherian fraud. Comments like crazy but has so little to say. And then he pops in a field report which demonstrates he has ZERO GAME. In his own report, it’s clear he actually hasn’t internalized a shred of the… Read more »

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Why on earth do you equate getting laid and having good game as “seeking validation from women”? The exact opposite is true. When pussy was hard to get and a mystery, getting laid and a hotties attention was very validating and meaningful. This is a Blue Pilled mindset. Now? I enjoy it, of course. Flirting, in particular, is fun. But you seem to reduce that to “seeking validation”. @Scribbler, Being great at Game and getting laid doesn’t remove a shred of validation seeking. It does in a fashion mean your just better at it. What is your intent with seeking… Read more »

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“Re: @Ehintellect….blah blah blah….I pity him.”

RP translation: ScribblerG is intellectually insecure.

“Me? Not angry at him at all…”

RP translation: ScribblerG is angry and to prove it to you rubes he write paragraphs explaining why he’s not.

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This:

Funnily – this make women like me better, lol.”

You seek to make them like you better. You crave their attention. You want them to flirt with you. You’re grasping for the super hotties to see Scribbler as some hot guy they can fuck. Come on Scribbler, you’re old enough and wise enough to shuck aside the veil your covering your eyes with to not realize what’s going on here.

Enjoy fucking those hotties. Man, it is fun gaming them and getting laid. But dude, don’t think you’re fooling anybody on here.

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A couple of thoughts re: Game vs pua defined game ( as I believe pua game is centered on the woman instead of the man practicing ” game “) It’s never about trying ( key word – trying) to get a woman to like you better. Frame issue. Understand that there is as much ” pussy ” on the planet as there is water. Seduction itself is multi faceted. Women can be seduced using very few words ( or none at all ). They’re all pretty much the same and seeing ” hotties ” as in any way special, requiring… Read more »

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“There’s no validation at all ever found between any female’s legs. Seeking such is a never ending search in the feminine frame. Turning sex into an intellectual external-validation exercise can be confusing and mind fucking.” There is a subtle distinction there. There is validation in having good sex with a girl whether a ONS, or in a LTR. Hence: https://therationalmale.com/2018/03/07/transactional-vs-validational-sex/ A distinction comes when there are problems of a guy that is Dependent on getting a positive reflected sense of self from others. E.g., I fucked a girl so look at me self, I’m something. I need the fuck to… Read more »

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I would rather stare into the abyss and gauge the effect it will have on me in years to come, than pretend it wasn’t there.

Ok. Go ahead, no one’s stopping you.

Stare into the abyss. It will stare back.

Now what?

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“Game vs pua defined game” PUAs use game to get attractive girls (getting them to do what we want). Game can be used outside of that pursuit. “( as I believe pua game is centered on the woman)” No shit. Cause we (seducers) are trying to seduce…..wait for it…women lol. She’s not gonna try to seduce me (not immediately upon me (a complete stranger) approaching her at least. First I show her I have value (DHV, emotional spikes), I make her invest (tells me about herself, and why she likes and does the things she likes to do and we… Read more »

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I talked to a “Stepford Husband” today.

Nice guy fully immersed in the F.I. with his wife calling the shots.

He asked me why I never married.

I told him I haven’t met a woman yet who met my standards.

The look in his face when I said I have standards, it was like he had no concept of what I was talking about.

I might as well have asked him what the color blue tastes like, no clue.

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Lmao

Shut up @ j.

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“If you stop thinking of “alpha” as a measure of high SMV, then you’ll get what I mean. This is subtle but was crucial to my development.”

Think of alpha as not SMV and not a dominance hierarchy. Think of Alpha as something that is universally attractive to women.

Then you can begin to figure out what that is. And my own investigation had surprising conclusions. The irreducible Alpha traits… The Triad – dynamic, passionate, authentic.

SMV analysis alone results in the better Beta phenomenon.

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Okay, where was I? ” PUAs use game to get attractive girls (getting them to do what we want). Game can be used outside of that pursuit.” Very seldom have I heard much at all about ” game” being used outside of getting ( obsessed with) attractive girls. Very seldom. “( as I believe pua game is centered on the woman)” ” No shit. Cause we (seducers) are trying to seduce…..wait for it…women lol. She’s not gonna try to seduce me (not immediately upon me (a complete stranger) approaching her at least. First I show her I have value (DHV,… Read more »

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@blax “Very seldom have I heard much at all about ” game” being used outside of getting ( obsessed with) attractive girls. Very seldom”. Because this is a blog about male and female intersexual dynamics. So when we talk about “game”, we will mainly be using the term, in the context of getting (ONS) and maintaining (LTR) women. “Prove that 80% of all women on the planet are shit”. 80% of women you come across on a day-to-day basis will look like girls on the 1-7 scale: http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/pictorialscale.jpg 20% of women you meet will be 8s and 9s. but that… Read more »

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and how do YOU know that 99% of men on this planet have ZERO (your words) game (not a smidge of game, ZERO) and have never watched a PUA video in their life (PUA isn’t underground anymore (sadly). It’s out in the open. Mainstream now).

Continuum of experience.

” RSDTyler alone has 91.5K followers on Instagram (inB4 “they’re all just bought bots!!!”)

15–24 years: 13.12% (male 22,213,952/female 21,137,826)
25–54 years: 39.29% (male 64,528,673/female 64,334,499)

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RSDTyler ALONE has more than 90,000 followers on Instagram (there are also thousands of people who’ve watched their videos at one point, but don’t have instagram accounts or they do, but don’t follow them because of social pressure (“lol dude why are you following a fucking pickup artist on instagram?”).

RSDTyler isn’t the ONLY dude on this planet teaching pickup.

Your Claim: 99% of men fucking regularly have no exposure to pua at all”

nah.

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“removing the secrets“

Said from a not-laid PUA shill.

There are no secrets.

Beware those who offer you magic beans.

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ah there’s the @eh that I know <3

@blax

from your link:

“Game terms and the idea of pick-up artists have become public and everyone is aware of what (they think) a “pick up artist” is and what they do, which publicly means going around “negging” people, which they think means insulting women and being very pushy/creepy. Terms like “opener”, “neg”, “pick-up artist” are pretty global now – you’ll see all kinds of clueless guys/girls using these terms”.

Like everyone who reads Red Pill material is aware/has been exposed to PUA

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outside of online, I have never met any man that’s read ” red pill ” sites, or even know what pua is. But online…….. That’s why it’s called a ” community “. •163,520,208 males as of 31 December 2018 ( you can keep ignoring these numbers and talk about tyler’s thousands and thousands of IG followers though ) ” The number of unionized U.S. workers edged lower to 16.4 million in 2018 …..” ” It is unclear how many rats currently live in New York City. Past estimates have put the rat population at anywhere from 250,000 to tens of… Read more »

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really stupid debate but…. “But online……” “Cristiano Ronaldo is the most followed individual on Instagram, with more than 161 million followers.” What would you say is the % of men, globally, if you were to ask, if they know who Cristiano Ronaldo is? instantly know what your talking about? about 50% right? Soccer is a pretty universal sport. Now what % of men if you were to ask, if they know what a “pick up artist” (or if, say you were in a Spanish country, ask if they know what is an “experto de seducción”?) is? Not if they have… Read more »

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Reading is still fundamental. 163,000,000 males in the United States of America. I happen to live here, so I have a fairly good idea of what’s going on. Ask every random dude ( not online ) you can if they know what ” pua ” or RSD or _________ is, and see the responses. ( don’t ask guys in clubs…for obvious reasons ) But you’re right. This is a stupid debate because you’re a ” believer “. Like a cult follower or something. All men are suffering for lack of vagina, or can’t get the hottest / vagina they want.… Read more »

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…. did he really believe that there are only 163,000,000 men worldwide?

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@Palmasailor This article is behind a paywall but there’s ways around that: https://www.latimes.com/style/laaffairs/la-hm-la-affairs-robin-rapaport-20190420-story.html Relevant excerpt: I burst out of the chute of a bad 15-year relationship and raced forward into dating as if in a sprint. It was a race against time; I wasn’t 30 anymore. I aspired to make up for lost time spent being so unhappy. So I set out to find him. I believed that I would. Fantasies of how we would meet and the courtship accompanied me on my drive to work and were replayed daily over and over, like a favorite movie. I starred in… Read more »

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@blax lol I only took your “163,520,208 males as of 31 December 2018” stat. should have looked it up. that’s on me. But like, all I can see you doing is putting words in my mouth. straw man fallacy or some shit “pua’s are banging only the ” hottest ” chicks in clubs for ONS/SNL” like broski. When the fuck did I say this? All I said PUAs do is break down seduction (the whys and hows) for guys who don’t know what the fuck they doing (spergs, anti social dudes). Guys who grew up with sisters, talked to women… Read more »

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@Roused – Finally, a real conversation here. Define your terms. What is “validation seeking”? To me, it’s where my identity, my view of myself in the world is based on some external event/comment. Good enough for our discussion? Okay. First off, ask yourself a simple question. Do you base your identity based solely on what you dream up in your head? LOL – of course not. So to some degree, we all base our sense of ourselves based on the results/outcomes in the real world. The problem I think you are trying to get at is using this as some… Read more »

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“Certainly, men will never be allowed to voice their physical preferences without the fear of personal destruction in our Global Village.”

Which is why they must do so, without apology.

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“With most girls, if you press beyond the surface there is no there there.”

ScribblerG presses in dog language so he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know about women.

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“Any Beta male expression of [HETEROSEXUAL] sexuality will be deemed offensive or illegal.”
So long as the Betas aren’t trying to have a sexual relationship with them women can pretend that all the good men are taken and complain about the ones that they let through the gate.

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