Sexual Selection & Existential Fear

Way back in the early years of this blog I wrote a post flipping a common feminist trope on its head. In Women’s Physical Standards I laid out the case that it is women, not men, who hold the most stringent and static standards for ideal male beauty.

…from a purely physical perspective, it is women’s idealized masculine form that hasn’t changed in millennia. While there may have been a Rubenesque period when men loved the fatties of the 1600′s, no such era ever existed for women’s physical preferences. The classic broad chest, wide shoulders, six-pack abs and squared jaws of greco-roman athleticism are still the idealized male form that has graced EVERY romance novel cover in existence. I’m still waiting for someone to post me a link for a dating site that caters exclusively to women’s fetish of BBMs – Big Beautiful Men – average to good looking, fit, women specifically looking overweight men. Executive Introductions caters to women seeking affluent, influential men, but women just looking for overweight men, that site doesn’t exist.

I wrote this essay in a time well before apps like Tinder and Bumble became household names. Since then (September, 2011) the sexual marketplace has fundamentally shifted to exactly the state I saw it going to then, and all it took to prove it was a handful of fuckingdating’ apps to facilitate Hypergamy. In 8 years women have proven they are every bit as viscerally motivated by men’s physical appeal as I spelled out in this post. Back then I was run up the flagpole for suggesting women were the ones with “unrealistic beauty standards”, now it seem matter of fact.

Of course, the double standard has gotten much worse with respect to men having any sexual selection standards. In Maryland we have the instance of high school boys being pilloried on a global stage for daring to rate their female classmates’ looks on a 1 to 10 scale. Ironically, the the same teen girls who took such offense to this will think nothing of swiping left or right on a potentially lover on Tinder in just a few short years. In fact, they’ll think it’s normal for a woman to base her sexual selection on the physical, yet the same is sexual objectification for men to do the same. Certainly, men will never be allowed to voice their physical preferences without the fear of personal destruction in our Global Village.

About 5-6 months ago, Pat Campbell, my co-host on Red Pill 101, linked me to a pair of stories about how offensive some social justice warriors found it that young men were avoiding trans-gender ‘girls‘ as potential dates. The logic was that more evolved heterosexual young men should feel attraction towards a trans-gender, biological male, if he was presenting himself as a female. The natural sexual selection process for those young men, and by extension all men, was being circumvented by the social imperatives of others.

Pat also linked me to a story where a popular, heterosexual, high school quarterback accepted the Homecoming Dance proposal of another homosexual young man. As expected, the story was written as a heartwarming victory for modern progressivism and a young man “secure in his masculinity” praised as a hero for essentially accepting a social control over his sexual selection process. Naturally, the predictable hate to overcome would be from ‘less evolved’ guys alleging the quarterback was really gay.

This is the pre-written script we expect will follow (the clichéd triumph over homophobia), but the real story here is that a young man’s sexual selection process has been removed from his direct control. If the quarterback had refused the proposal the best he could hope for would be that no story would be written about it – but the more likely story would be him having to defend himself against his homophobia. In essence, the threat of a global online mob ruining his future makes accepting the proposal a necessity.

In 2019 men’s control over their sexual selectivity is something women don’t want to hear about. Part of ensuring that Hypergamy is the defining social dynamic today includes exercising as much control over men’s sexual selection process as possible. As fluid as men’s selection naturally is, it’s still out of women’s total control. The method to that control is social pressure. Women’s need to insure against their own Existential Fear of pairing with an unacceptable guy is so obsessive they will resort to social engineering.

Tinder and Bumble are social engineering programs as much as they are facilitators of women’s Hypergamy. Body Positivity / Fat Acceptance (exclusively for women) is equally a social conditioning effort. But for these and more the latent purpose is the same – convincing men to repress their evolved sexual selection proclivities in favor of accepting women’s selection process as the ‘correct’ one. The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies states that for on sex’s strategy to succeed the other’s must be compromised or abandoned. In today’s feminine-primary social order, the Feminine Imperative wants nothing less than complete abandonment from men – and it will use every social and political means available to insure men do.

Men must be raised up and conditioned from the earliest age to accept women’s strategy and their role in it as the only acceptable one. Men’s selection of a mate must be made for him according to women’s standards. Many times I’m asked how to go about “vetting for a wife”. I’m asked what the criteria, what aspects, what traits should a woman possess to make her “marriage material”. From a Red Pill perspective a lot of what I lay out seems highly offensive to the sensibilities of men and women conditioned by the Feminine Imperative. But the qualities, and the reasons I define them being desirable, are nothing any man who is invested in his own sexual strategy wouldn’t find mundane.

It’s not difficult to figure out what attributes in women would make for a good pairing – what’s offensive is that a man would ever have the temerity to require a woman to possess them at all.

It’s offensive to feminized sensibilities for a man to speak aloud the things he wants from a woman. How dare he ever have the presence of mind to create a list of acceptable qualities for a potential long term mate. Who is he to make demands? Has he not learned that Hypergamy and women’s needs now define his existence?

I’ve written in the past about how women commodify their own sexuality. We’ve pandered to the security needs of women for so long they feel entitled to their being met. We’ve developed a social order that’s prime directive is to insure against women’s Existential Fear of ever having to worry about a bad Hypergamous decision. We ensure that they can voluntarily reproduce at will via sperm banks and frozen eggs. We demand that men find them arousing no matter what their physical condition and in spite of 100,000 years of evolved arousal cues. Gynocentrism demands men be nothing more than willing participants in women’s sexual / life strategies.

A day ago I posted this quote on Twitter:

Women only see men as breeding stock or draft animals.

Women and their ‘allies’ lost their collective minds. Follow that link, see for yourself. It’s a litany of middle school blathering and presumption about my motives for making public what most of these feminists confirmed. All the responses are the predictable boilerplate you’d expect from a generation of women used to parroting back what the Village has taught them to respond with for so long.

But what is my observation revealing here? Nothing that we don’t already know – women define the reproductive process in western culture. And again, most of these feminists proudly agree with the observation. They say, “Yeah, as it should be”, while their oblivious male ‘allies’ seek affirmation.

The boys at the Maryland high school got caught in the gynocratic gears. They weren’t properly conditioned to know their place. They did what most guys in high school do, they compare notes, they make comparisons, because they still believed they might be allowed to have a preference of who they want to date, bang, have for a girlfriend, have for a wife. How dare they!

When the Beta Bucks / provisioning side of the Hypergamous equation is more or less accommodated for by the social order the only thing left is Alpha Fucks. This is Hypergamy on a meta-scale. Why would any woman bother with the notion of Value Added to make herself more ‘marriageable’? Men aren’t allowed to have preferences. They should feel lucky that a woman would date them in the first place. Feminism has taught her that if she is to be the ideal Strong Independent Woman® she is “never to do anything for the express pleasure of a man.” And besides, the exciting guys, the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys who she does swipe right on; those guys don’t care about ‘value added’ – they care about fucking.

The New Polyandry I described is an extension of ensuring women’s Existential Fear is always compensated for on a societal level.

The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality.

Roissy

I’ve quoted this in other essays. Usually I’m asked why this would at all be feminists goal?

“You think feminism is all about controlling your dicks?”

In essence, yes, but really it’s about affording women unilateral control over their Existential Fear and absolving them of any consequences for the bad decisions made in controlling for it. In the last essay I stated that Abortion is Eugenics, but isn’t affording women total control of human reproduction eugenics? Isn’t socially engineering and conditioning men’s behavior to accept women’s sexual strategy as the “correct”, normal one eugenics as well?

I would say yes, except, the Sisterhood doesn’t have a ‘master race’ planned. There is no uniform conscious direction to this eugenics. It’s all driven by women natural, evolved mental firmware and impulses – all facilitated by the power afforded to them by men. We’ve unfettered Hypergamy. We’ve allowed women to do something unprecedented in human history, we’ve given women the reins of the direction of human reproduction.

And we’ve done this at the same time we’ve maximally restricted male sexuality. Dr. Jordan Peterson once predicted that in the future any expression of male sexuality will be illegal. I would amend that: any Beta male expression of sexuality will be deemed offensive or illegal.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Just to tiptoe around the political morass… Suppose that “left” and “right” are not universals. Not just in the sense of who sat where in a building in France for a while in the 1790’s, but in a larger sense. Suppose that liberty itself is not universal, as a variety of writers have assumed for centuries. What effect does the admixture of genes from vanished humans such as the Neanderthals, the Denisovans and others have on modern humans who carry those genes? Suppose that in the argument of “nature” vs. “nurture”, the answer is – both. People come into the… Read more »

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@Sentient

Australia is going full Clown-World. Different version of what NZ is doing, but still full Clown-World.

So’s the US, just in a different way. The cognitive dissonance between SJW’s “ought” and the “is” all around us must be hugely disturbing to them, but since they can’t ever admit they are wrong, we can expect more doubling down. Then tripling down.

Those vidja spots are just begging for someone to play with – new audio and a few titles supered, the SJW’s cant stand to be laughed at.

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“Random questions:”

What if Anonymous Conservative wrote a book examining those questions?:

http://anonymousconservative.com/

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“There can be no political discourse where the language lacks the terms. See 1984.” Geez, I see it all the times in political forums. Leave out the fucking terms of engagement. And then rhetoric on…. Same thing here. EhIntellect has been on a roll (In real life, he packed up his shit and sold it away. Then he started thinking with a clear mind without the cob-webs. And AR has no fucking idea what he is saying. Doesn’t matter. Fucking is still fucking.): https://steemit.com/philosophy/@krnel/the-trivium-method-of-thinking-and-learning Grammar – Input – Knowledge – Ontology/Metaphysics Logic – Processing – Understanding – Epistemology Rhetoric –… Read more »

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I like this blog but I can’t hang with “The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies”. It implies that nature does not want a successful pairing or mate bonding, whereas it seems self evident that the opposite is true. Nature or evolution or whatever you want to call it, wants good genes to find good genes and create, and nurture, optimal offspring. That’s a win-win, not a win-lose or a lose-win. So how can one sex’s success be the other one’s failure? It doesn’t hang together. I think you’ve been done in by your own past experience with a BPD partner… Read more »

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@LEX The cardinal rule has nothing to do with who mates with who. It has to do with who calls the tunes. Try as women might, a man who passes the test passes muster and she’s missing out on him. That’s something hypergamy doesn’t allow her to suffer gladly. That has nothing to do with who is soft or hard. It has to do with who lives. Women actually behave such that both alphas AND betas survive. Both alphas AND betas are born and reproduce because not everyone can win. If it were up to women the losers would never… Read more »

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Men didn’t get softer because life is too easy. It’s easy for some, not for a majority here or anywhere else around the globe. Men got softer because they accepted the training program for the elite wonderbread league. Societal influence betrayed them. Just the constant mentioning of ” tinder ” is an example of accepting Nd trying to play nice by women’s and societies new paradigm, instead of smashing it or ignoring it and carrying on as a man. Society teaches men that it’s better to seek ” easy “.. Easy is enormously profitable for those that offer it. Just… Read more »

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@Blaximus. Haha… good post. So what’s going to eventually happen? You know what is going to have to happen. The discussion among men will eventually have to involve taking away the rights of women to choose, like I said. We all know this and yet some are afraid to admit it or say it’s impossible because they have daughters and those men will have to be CONFRONTED with violence if necessary. And if a battle needs to be fought it will be fought. There is no other alternative unfortunately. The alternative to this is either complete social collapse or a… Read more »

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@Poptarts [@Blaximus. Haha… good post. So what’s going to eventually happen? You know what is going to have to happen. The discussion among men will eventually have to involve taking away the rights of women to choose, like I said. ] It is not about taking away the right of women to choose. It is about men standing up within their own mental point of origin, acknowledging their burden of performance and not falling into any woman’s frame. Women’s innate predisposition is to go into the man’s frame. It is their choice to enter into the man’s frame, it is… Read more »

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There’s more than one way to fight. We got to where we find ourselves today, and not a punch was thrown nor a shot fired. As a boxer, I understood that if I could make my opponent angry, he’d probably fight harder and open himself up to more effective attack in the process. He’d become less efficientefficient, even if he had a reach and strength advantage. What’s going to have to happen is blindingly simple: men will have to be men and not women. At their core, women are influenced. You don’t have to ” take rights ” from them… Read more »

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” . . . have to involve taking away the rights of women to choose . . .”

This is not correct. They will only have to have their privilege to command taken away from them. It’s about balance of social forces

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What you are saying is somewhat illogical. You say that women can be influenced and we got here today without a shot being fired, men have to be men but that doesn’t involve taking women’s rights away? This statement is very problematic. This always leads into a political discussion and discussions about Democracy because women’s choices are and have always been directly related to government policy and not just cultural influences by themselves (which could also be an effect of government policy or whoever is the Patriach of whatever tribe). Women obtained the right to vote without a shot being… Read more »

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Okay.I think I’ve identified the disconnect. You wish to deal with women as ” equals “, as if you’re dealing with men. Grown men aren’t allowed to throw temper tantrums. When it comes to women, men have other, inherent ways of dealing with them. Playing the ” I gave you rights, now I’m pissed so I’m going to take them away ” game is a weak and losing proposition. You’re basically looking to some other ” power ” to come riding in to save you from anguish. As Sentient has alluded to many times, this is a dinner table to… Read more »

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Again I don’t follow your arguments, “men aren’t allowed to throw temper tantrums”. First, who is throwing a temper tantrum by pointing out the facts and second who are you to define what “men” should or should not do? Men are going to do what comes natural to them JUST LIKE WOMEN do. There again, is always this idea on forums like this that everything is the responsibility of men to fix and men at the short end of the stick are “supposed” to be “above” acting on their instincts, and anger might be one of those. This whole idea… Read more »

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“they are just that way because of nature and you can’t expect anything more from them”

If a porcupine fails to complete an assignment of differential equations I do not blame the porcupine.

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Did you read what I wrote after that?

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Women should and do act like women/girls.

Never let a girl put you against any wall unless sex is involved.

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Poptarts I’d submit that many men do not know ” what comes naturally ” anymore. 😂 I get to ” define ” what makes a man because I am a man. I’m not angry at women because I understand women. I don’t want them flogged or have their rights taken away. No fear of the opposite sex as a man. I don’t look to some force to ” do something about these girls “. They aren’t a problem in my estimation. But I don’t deal with them as if they were logical men. I ” expect ” for them to… Read more »

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“Did you read what I wrote after that?”

Yes.

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If yes than you should apply that same standard to men. Or not, you can do whatever you want. It’s just hypocritical.

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““Which man makes more sense?”

My statement is always true.

Rollo’s is generally true.

AR is illiterate.

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“If yes than you should apply that same standard to men.”

Neither the portion of your OC that I quoted nor my response was sexed. Take a deep breath, chill out and start listening to the people you are communicating with instead of the angry voices in your head.

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Angry voices? That is a weird response. I guess I’m wasting my time trying to communicate with you. That part is true. Keep spinning plates and rehashing the same thing post after post. You clearly have it all figured out and everything is actually fine with women according to Blaximus and if men could just “get it” then they would NEVER be angry or resentful anymore. Yeah, sure.

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Poptarts what’s your objective, to solve the collapse of the western civilization, start a family, bang more chics, other?

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@PopTarts Why did you choose the avatar name PopTarts? This is from The Practicing Stoic: A Philosophical User’s Manual by Ward Farnsworth: Chapter Two EXTERNALS “A great share of Stoicism amounts to the study of externals: what they are, how we misjudge them, and the ways that they tend to enslave us. An “external” can be defined as something outside ourselves or outside our power. Later chapters will talk about specific examples, such as money, fame, and calamity. Before we reach those cases, though, this chapter considers two sets of Stoic teachings about externals as such. First, a principal aim… Read more »

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@poptarts If you get it then you have to act like it. Modern life has given me privacy and peace. Both things I am willing to kill to protect. But what about people? Are they merely tools for my enjoyment? NO! They have feelings and independence and will or wont consent to interacting with me. I have courage, so I engage. People aren’t here to play out your fantasies with you at no mutual payoff. The mutual payoff can only be enjoyed between people who know their role, do it well, and know their own worth. People who bristle at… Read more »

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No reason behind it. It just “popped” into my head. No it isn’t in anyway related to thinking women are “tarts”, although I guess maybe someone could infer something like that now if they think I’m angry at women!!! In answer to the other comment, I have no objective personally. Whatever is going to happen will happen. I just think it is interesting this neutral position this blog takes on politics, while Roosh and Chateau Heartiste have come to a different conclusion on the subject when it comes to women. Mostly this idea that politics can’t be influenced by the… Read more »

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@poptarts

You prevail against it by being the eye of the storm.

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@Rollo. Actually the discussion takes place first and then after the present situation gets so intolerable and things deteriorate so far that at that point and only then is it possible. The revolution might happen anyway by economic conditions created by the irrationality of women and bloodshed might be inevitable. The day after the revolution men should all well understand what happened and why. Right now just mentioning that women having the same rights as men might not be a good idea is the 3rd rail. Everyone is just flabbergasted and offended. But if they really understand the larger issues… Read more »

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“The day after the revolution men should all well understand what happened and why. Right now just mentioning that women having the same rights as men might not be a good idea is the 3rd rail. Everyone is just flabbergasted and offended. But if they really understand the larger issues they might not be, eventually.”

Damn. I thought it was 2019, but it’s actually 1859. I’ve been filling out checks all wrong.

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Rollo / Blax We got to where we find ourselves today, and not a punch was thrown nor a shot fired. erm… not true. The relentless march towards Equalism has left millions of dead. Recall You do realize who they ment the “mort” for right? Do you think it was a coincidence that the vote came to women almost everywhere in the west on the heels of WW1? Any time I hear the “Repeal the 19th” cry of freedom my next thought is “how”? Well the same way it came about of course. Massive loss of life… what happens the… Read more »

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Strapping tinder to the front of Hypergamy really changes it to something else because women are gauging their value on men that will probably never exist in their real world. What is happening should be called something else as those men are not realistic options for those women but the women are acting as though they are. Ergo – The market is distorted. It’s probably just a question of maths how this pans out. Having employed a lot of women I can tell you that they literally tear each other apart if there is no masculinity present. If you’ve got… Read more »

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“Damn. I thought it was 2019, but it’s actually 1859. I’ve been filling out checks all wrong.”

I’m not saying that it will happen. Highly unlikely given the power of modern weapons the government can deploy. As long as they can hold the financial system together and it looks like they can, most likely things will continue the way they are going now. Just the way you like it. smile

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“They don’t need money but are all totally desperate for masculinity; ” This. Women, young ones esp, have no idea what masculinity is, let alone Alpha. Women aren’t able to accurately assess the world they live in. They’ve no idea who they are created to be, let alone who men should be. Blaming the ignorant gets us nowhere. Women exist under false premises. I’ve a belief they know this too…the vague feeling of loss and fear though they’ve sufficient provisioning…the heavy drinking and obesity and other self destruction is overt self-loathing, not a display of liberation. They are adrift as… Read more »

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“Actually, it’s ugly and messy no matter what you do and this is what scares MGTOW. Even if you can force women to give up their rights (they and their allies wont do so without force), what happens the day after the ‘revolution’?

Why, Hypergamy All Over Again, of course. And it would be ugly before it got better again. It wouldn’t be a panacea (a solution or remedy for all difficulties).

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@Blaximus “Okay.I think I’ve identified the disconnect. You wish to deal with women as ” equals “, as if you’re dealing with men. Grown men aren’t allowed to throw temper tantrums. When it comes to women, men have other, inherent ways of dealing with them. Playing the ” I gave you rights, now I’m pissed so I’m going to take them away ” game is a weak and losing proposition. You’re basically looking to some other ” power ” to come riding in to save you from anguish. As Sentient has alluded to many times, this is a dinner table… Read more »

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I just think it is interesting this neutral position this blog takes on politics, while Roosh and Chateau Heartiste have come to a different conclusion on the subject when it comes to women. Mostly this idea that politics can’t be influenced by the average man, like somehow we stand outside this situation and just have to adapt to it by spinning plates or going mgtow. That just doesn’t sound very alpha to me. Doesn’t sound very alpha to you? And Roosh does? Men often don’t understand the concept of “babies all the way down” even when men and women aren’t… Read more »

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I have no idea what you are trying to say. “Babies all the way down” then makes old song references. I have noticed with all these types of blogs this shorthand writing bullshit that only the commenter seems to understand. Everyone else is lost dude. I guarantee you that it’s not just me reading your comment. Wtf are you saying and how is it relevant to what I wrote? I guess you are the gods of ultimate knowledge and people like Roosh and Chateau are just fools? Maybe if we could all just refine our game spinning plates and be… Read more »

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@SJF “And Roosh does?” Roosh has certainly got the driest sense of humour in the Mano sphere. In the fullness of time we will find out if what he is actually doing is recruiting for Islam by using the west’s sickness (unrestrained Hypergamy) against itself. On a personal level he’s paid a high price. He’s basically in the position now where he can’t pair bond with a woman because he understands them so well. He’s said this between the lines in his book. Cut to the end of my last Saturday night clip and she confirmed that her biggest dilemma… Read more »

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Observation today from the WalMart checkout line: I’m waiting in line with my son who is 7 years old, who has two bicycle tubes in his hands, he is paying for it out of his own hands for a pedal car he has, just finished washing one of our cars and vacuuming it in the driveway and watered plants. In front of us is this single mom in her 20s with two kids in the cart, maybe even more kids, the mom looks ok , wearing Yoga pants, I would hit it sans kids. She is giving me sly looks… Read more »

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“If this what #Winning for women looks like, they can keep this shit, living like some animals without any codes/standards and basic self imposed slavery.”

That’s why they need masculinity and basically tear each other to pieces when there isn’t any.

I’m almost totally convinced that aggressive lesbians are their next best Hypergamous choice by the way but still meditating on this I am.

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Tearing into each other may be them establishing a hierarchy of the fittest amongst them to fulfil the Male role absent an actual man.

It does descend faster and with (comparatively) worse fighting than I’ve seen with men.

But then perhaps the historic circumstances upon which a woman would have to fulfil a Male role (all the men in the tribe being killed) would have been a lot more urgent.

Thoughts not concluded yet though.

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“That’s why they need masculinity and basically tear each other Tom pieces when there isn’t any.” Masculinity has been outlawed. But don’t worry, being your own mental point of origin and spinning plates will solve that problem. Once men wake to the fact that they are 100% responsible for it all by not being Real Men™ in the first place and it’s their job to change it, they will be motivated in mass to be Real Men™ again and risk sexual harrasment charges, imprisonment or death in order to change it. Of course they will. I mean who wouldn’t want… Read more »

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@Poptarts:

Do you have anything to offer but complaints?

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😂😂

The more he types, the clearer the picture becomes.

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“That’s why they need masculinity and basically tear each other Tom pieces when there isn’t any.”

Masculinity has been outlawed. But don’t worry, being your own mental point of origin and spinning plates will solve that problem. Once men wake to the fact that they are responsible for it all by not being Real Men™ in first place and it’s their job to change it, they will be motivated in mass to be Real Men™ again and risk sexual harrastment charges, imprisonment or death in order to change it. Of course they will.

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“risk sexual harrastment charges, imprisonment or death in order to change it. Of course they will.”

Sarcasm much? Hyperbolize much?

Look man, everyone knows what’s up with you. Guys like you frustratedly, self-rightiously posture for global liberation at the same time offer nothing as you really prefer to sit in your masochism.

Weak.

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No complaints. Criticism of the shaming language that people like the fat and happy Blaximus actually have for the situation that men are in. You do understand that a huge majority of men were raised by single mothers without fathers can never be the Real Men in the way that you define it. A 21 Convention will not correct this. Ultimately they will stop listening to you and the message if you refuse to actually level any criticism and have at least some kind of expectation for women. This I guarantee you will be the response more often than not.… Read more »

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“I like this blog but I can’t hang with “The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies”. It implies that nature does not want a successful pairing or mate bonding” @LEX Here’s Rollo’s rule: “The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies: For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.” Rollo’s evo-bio take on sexual strategies works well enough for quadripeds and fish and apes but stops there. That’s why you can’t hang with the cardinal rule as men and women engage the fixed-pie sexual environment only partially. There more to it than that. TRM-style evo-bio… Read more »

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Does this blog make me look fat?😁 I am happy though, I won’t deny that. So, are you one of those guys that when you’re corrected or called out for some weak feminine shit you write, immediately levels charges of ” shaming “? We had a few of those recently. I think Roosh blog is still up. It’s that way ——> Bottom line = do and think whatever you want. Whine and complain and ” incel ” until the proverbial cows come home. Live in anger and fear of women until you take your last breathe. It’s up to you.… Read more »

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” . . . sure play word games about Left and Right . . .”

Whoosh!

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The majority of black men are being raised by single mothers and the numbers have increased with whites but maybe not a majority as yet. And even among those fathers I’m quite sure many are not teaching their sons enough to qualify as a Real Man by your definition.

And yes your comments do make you look fat and happy. The status quo is not so bad. So why do you bother with this blog? Just an amusing intellectual pursuit on the side?

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“So why do you bother with this blog?”

Ooooooooooooh, the irony!

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” Conservatives in the U.S. seek to preserve and protect tradition, the classical liberal order and the values of the Age of Reason.”

@ LEX

Note ScribblerG’s appeals to reason without defining reason. The Age of Reason was predicated on destroying faith, which btw is predicated on reason. All hail the Temple of Reason!

Some reason the sun rises in the east and call it sophisticated..

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Your comments are the most insightful. I learn alot everytime.

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@ Poptarts

Thanks…nice to get to know you too.

I’m a little slow on the uptake. Tell me a little about yourself. Nothing too defined of course. Age, size of city you live in, notch count, BMI. I ask this as we help each other best by knowing ourselves and each other accurately.

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Poptarts First thanks for some of the most stimulating discussion I have seen in some time. Womens voices were heard and they had a good shake prior to giving them the public vote. All the 19th did was to create more voters and vociferous women. This changed the power structure of the family,by taking power away from women and giving it to men as in instead of women telling their men how to vote now the men were telling their women how to vote. This doesn’t change the final out come. Masculinity isn’t outlawed,what is being outlawed is the fifth… Read more »

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I won’t debate the numbers you’ve read somewhere. If you’re smart enough, you’ll figure it out….but it’s not looking good. Your definition of ” status quo ” is the polar opposite of mine. Your mindset ( and by extention, ability) is opposite as well. Hence, your views and results will not mirror. I read TRM because I enjoy the content. It’s illuminating and refreshing because Rollo understands the importance of masculinity at the core. I comment because I enjoy interactions with 90% of the men commenting here. I’m bubble resistant. It’s not an exercise. I have a basement full of… Read more »

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@wahoo. Thanks for the insightful and respectful reply. Honestly I have come to the conclusion through the course of this thread that you may in fact have the better more effective attack than being overtly political and instead just focus on the basics. I’m not entirely sure that politics should be off totally off the table, but you make a convincing argument as why maybe it should be. There are many ways to pull men to the message and one insight can lead to another. I am capable of changing my mind though. I do see how political talk can… Read more »

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I like this blog but I can’t hang with “The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies”. The thing is this: this place is really two very different and distinct places. One place is the blog itself, what Rollo writes. That stands on its own, and is its own thing. Another place is the comments community, which is a very different thing from what Rollo writes. I think many of the commenters also disagree with some (a lot?) of what is in the blog part, but have taken this or that of value from it here and there and found it useful,… Read more »

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“@foxguy “If this what #Winning for women looks like, they can keep this shit, living like some animals without any codes/standards and basic self imposed slavery.” That’s why they need masculinity and basically tear each other to pieces when there isn’t any. I’m almost totally convinced that aggressive lesbians are their next best Hypergamous choice by the way but still meditating on this I am.” Yeah clearly they need it and want it but have been conditioned not to accept it, it’s fucked up beyond measure, it’s like some mass hunger strike for no fucking reason, it’s a big fucking… Read more »

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“Sexual matters have evolved to be private as perversions don’t evolve. Intersexual dynamics out in the open are illuminated with a gas light that distorts the vision of the truth.”

Nice.

Hence, we prolly shouldn’t bang our girlfriends in the front yard like dogs or think of sex as strict evo-bio.

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Hence, we prolly shouldn’t bang our girlfriends in the front yard like dogs or think of sex as strict evo-bio.

Fine, I’ll take her inside. But I’m still going to bang her hard doggie style.

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90/10 AFBB is only rational in today’s world. 70% of US men are out of shape fuglies, that alone leaves just 30% of f$$kable men. You take out the short, weak, mediocre financially… And yeah, you end up with about 10% of the top crop. And honestly, if you have shit genetics, are a slob and don’t take care of yourself… What makes you think that women would want to bang you? Just like in anything in life, if you are good at something you will be in high demand… If you are not good, you are out of consideration.… Read more »

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Palmasailor says: I’m almost totally convinced that aggressive lesbians are their next best Hypergamous choice… Agree with Foxguy that this is an interesting angle. At least a curiosity. Danger – broad generalities ahead. We’re swamped with girly-men. Yes, some young studs are still on hand and thank God for that, but visit a random college campus, church singles group, or vegan cafe, etc. in “the current year”. Bull dyke and butched up lesbos by comparison can look and act more like real men than many of the male personnel actually on hand at such venues. To a red pilled normal… Read more »

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And honestly, if you have shit genetics, are a slob and don’t take care of yourself… What makes you think that women would want to bang you? Just like in anything in life, if you are good at something you will be in high demand… If you are not good, you are out of consideration. Top athletes get best deals, smartest engineers/bankers get top salaries. Hottest men, get all the women. Seems about right. Precisely. The world has become much more zero-sum in more and more areas of life. The winners don’t take quite “all”, but the winners take “most”.… Read more »

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@ Foxguy & LostPatrol So it’s an infant theory that I have not properly thought through and I’ll give you a bit of history: In the same way I mentor some young men in business I have a mentor who is now 90 and had owned a global sales business which was sold to a Chinese bank for a couple of hundred £M. They promptly put 3 Harvard grads on it who dropped it and its now worth about £50. He had built it before modern communications and so had to manage the people. So he knew what he was… Read more »

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@Palma, FoxGuy, Lost Patrol: on the lesbian thing, very interesting remark about the bull dyke being able to display “toxic masculinity” when such would not be allowed if a man does it. Just last week I witnessed this. 10 min before a public talk (at a University no less), there were only standing places left at the back. I’m there standing in the back, a pair of lesbians arrive. They stand next to me. They were both unattractive and middle age, but one was more clearly the bull dyke. I overheard that the bull was going out to smoke and… Read more »

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“Young women, who as has been pointed out up thread don’t necessarily know masculinity when they see it, due to seeing so little of it, might be subliminally attracted to perceived masculinity in butch lesbians.” Consider this…. Put all women on a reproduction advantage scale (not fucking advantage scale or orgasm scale or notch count scale) from 1-100. The most reproductive women are all piling into a smaller and smaller percentage range to the right. All the women behind them whose chance at ACTUAL reproduction are to the left. Feminine women who are in lesbian relationships have a better chance… Read more »

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“An off duty cop can just flash his badge and show the top of his back up piece to any average citizen to end any potential confrontational event (in most cases). Can you? Didn’t think so. If you were a woman who would you feel would make the most ideal protector in a lawless (for your average man) borderless country that restricts firearms and the use of firearms for self defense? Exactly.”
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hypergamy doesn’t care if you’re a cop

https://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/grading-the-newest-sex-scandal-teacher-297

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“A few years back I had a problem with sales staff and he was obsessed with the idea that I should replace the men with women. He had done this globally and found that they performed better than men, but only because they would follow a scripted process if it was proven; whereas men would seek to prove to everyone that they were cleverer than the owner and ‘prove’ this by ‘doing it their way’.” I’ve heard this in different circles , especially from corporate America, agreed they will follow the script but you will have zero innovation and eventually… Read more »

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“he was obsessed with the idea that I should replace the men with women. He had done this globally and found that they performed better than men”

https://twitter.com/thefaceberg/status/1087077210890989568

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It was so beautiful

So well put together men as momument’s women as chemelons

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@Foxguy “agreed they will follow the script but you will have zero innovation” You illustrate exactly the point. It was not an innovation business it was a sales business, but you are sitting there thinking you know better and it needs into innovate. It might, but that’s my job not yours. Yours is to sell the bloody stuff and if you do it my way you will sell enough that I have a business. I sacked a salesman yesterday for thinking exactly that yet again because his sales sucked. If you think you’re an innovator go start your own business… Read more »

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^^ actually I’ve sacked two. One last Monday as well.

Both of them got highly snotty / in tears and said the same thing at the sacking : “they had even been trying to help the others sell”

Fucking brilliant now I’ve got two arseholes trying to fuck with team.

What a fucking joke as neither could sell for toffee.

The previous venture by the way did not de evolve, I got it wrong with an unnatural artificial gender balance so I had to correct it. it made a lot of money.

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@J So grasshopper, learning you are. “If this isn’t an option, form a team of young 20-something women and train them to giggle like Japanese schoolgirls on the phone. Most B2B clients are older men who want to believe they “still got it”. Have your girls get the demo/meeting, then send in your Brit for the kill.” Yes. But read it : “Have your girls” = “Train your girls” aka “script them”. For the purposes of our debate her they may not actually know they are being scripted but that’s what is actually happening. You would need men in the… Read more »

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OT?

Pay for play…

https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/15/valerie-jarrett-book-tucker/

Awakening continues…

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“I sacked a salesman yesterday for thinking exactly that yet again because his sales sucked.”

For some, the gut check that comes with sacking is what’s needed to get them motivated and innovate their own lives.

Sometimes it takes a couple sackings….

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The lesbian thing for the ones who aren’t total bull-dykes (i.e., the ones who are actually bi instead of being total lesbians like the bulls are) usually has to do with some failure with men — either they don’t like the men on offer, or they’ve been burned too many times, or they aren’t attractive enough to get the men they want, or some combination thereof. A large percentage of women (perhaps all) are at least latently bisexual in that it can be tripped/triggered given the right circumstances. We can see this is phenomena such as “lesbian until graduation”, or… Read more »

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So among the younger crowd, a majority has at least messed around with another woman once or twice Heh. Go out late and the young ones are making out between tequila shots… They aren’t lesbians… Just in the moment. Women, ruled by feelz, are sexual creatures… Men, women, animals… all can get their attention in the right circumstances. “Depravity” is a male only construct. Aggrandizing “depravity” in a women’s acts with you is an appeal to your ego. Fair enough… women don’t do everything with everyone, but they all have the capacity to. It’s not their being depraved. Loading...

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Time for a mini FR I’m drinking a beer at a college bar nearby campus after a long walk .I’m bored thus decide to work on my game. There are three college girls, books out, studying, I guess. I opened ealier with chit chat and after my beer returned for an instant date or number close for coffee. The girl I open head pops up as she’s surprised I’m addressing her. She declines claiming a LTR. I’m lightly sarcastic….oh eternal love…she says no but she can’t….I say how about I text you once a month for 3 months, reply or… Read more »

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Maybe buy a round of shots Eh…

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“You illustrate exactly the point. It was not an innovation business it was a sales business, but you are sitting there thinking you know better and it needs into innovate. It might, but that’s my job not yours.”

Nova, I see your point you are essentially a pimp, but one that gets them to do sales, understood. Agree that this will work, so my hat is off to you. I was thinking from my male point of view,

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Re: Eh Intellect – ‘bruh, ya can’t use the word reason without defining it’. LMFAO. @Anonymous – Already believe it’s nurture and nature – no news in your comment as most folks who study these things already are there. And no, not all those cultural and social traits you mention are heritable. Wanna take this to an even more absurd extreme? What if JS Mills was born 100 years earlier and lived in Madagascar? What I think you are missing is that while Locke attempted to create a set of universal “natural rights” that always and everywhere applied to people,… Read more »

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Scribblerg

About what percentage of your life has been spent reading and giggling?

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Re: Eh’s little field report, now I’m really laughing. I’m gonna tear it apart as an example for men here to learn from. Did he note any IOIs from the 3 girls he approached? He claimed he opened them already, any pro will then wait for IOIs before approaching again. Instead of doing this, he should have opened some other people – male or female actually works in this setting. He should have demonstrated high value by doing so and awaited an IOI. They he goes in an re-opens and asks for numbers, lol. Like do you have any game… Read more »

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“@Eh provided a negative example of how to suck at pickup. Do everything the opposite of what he’s done in this situation and you might make progress.”

ScribblerG is sore as he doesn’t see much future in ScribblerG. Butthurt.

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There’s a lot of monsters under ScribblerG’s bed. He’s gotta fight against something grand but beyond his direct control to find value in himself today. That way his battle never ends and it’s not really his fault that the battle rages on or if one side wins or another loses. He has unearned indignation, a phony personal cause and plenty of targets for his self-loathing. He can’t relax as then he’d be left with himself. He needs antagonists. It’s existential for him. No different than men commenting that women are on pedestals and need knocking off not realizing that asserting… Read more »

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@Foxguy I think you’re referring to me not Nova. I’ll take another stab at this as I wasn’t actually having a dig at you though it may have seemed like it. We believe in here that men and women are different. Amongst other things we have different skills, process information differently and have a different attitude to risk. Jordan Peterson handles this in his discussions about the (supposed) wage gap. Women are basically more agreeable than men, and more risk averse. This affects performance. “Nova, I see your point you are essentially a pimp, but one that gets them to… Read more »

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@Eh “I work my offer around the table to which the other one was her gf prolly and the last was straight and freaked out obviously from her almost fearful lean away…” Might want to re thing this a bit.. Getting a hard no and working a set after that is a difficult thing to recover from.. Sometimes if my sense of humour lands wrong they think I’m a mental escapee from a high security institution and this never ends well. Might be a better idea to have a crack at the ugliest grateful one and make her laugh and… Read more »

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“If you don’t want to be a Whore (protected by a pimp), go be a pimp together with the risks that come with the territory.” I’m 1099 income. I’m both. It is a different life and I don’t worry about the little shit no more. Status? IDC about that. Money? I do a good job and it’ll provide. Paid benefits? Overrated. I do my own now. Not sure what the future will bring but that’s the point. I can only be successful right now by being aware of my usefulness to the situation ATM. The future is made one successful… Read more »

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@Eh

“I’m going to take a walk and hit on some lesbians.”

Go to it.. They’re only lesbians because they don’t understand what they’re missing!

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““@Eh provided a negative example of how to suck at pickup. ”

Which grammatically is a positive example at pickup. Just sayin’

First no-chops AR, now ScribblerG sucking at figurative grammar. No wonder they’re scared of opening up to higher-order thought.

Weak.

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