One of the parts of our evolved, human mental firmware is a need to see order in the chaotic. Pattern recognition in humans seems likely to have been a selected-for trait that aided in our survival in the past. Thus, we look for consistencies that help us predict what will likely come to be or to help us plan for eventualities. As such we had a need to categorize things in our environments as well as in other people (members of our tribe vs. the members of a competing tribe for instance). Naturally, we apply this need for familiarity and recognition to other people which is how stereotypes emerged. I feel the term ‘creep’ is one such categorization, but this is really a proxy term for a type of person that conveys a certain feeling we get from them.
There is an instinctual, animal-level recognition we get from other people’s behavior, looks, smells, subcoms, voice intonations, etc. Pattern recognition has been a survival adaptation in human being’s for sometime because it saved our conscious mind from having to perform rote memorization of each of these aspects and forming a definite identity for each and every individual we meet. It saves our brains from having to consciously process large amounts of data without being overwhelmed.
From People are People:
Human beings have an amazing capacity to multi-task, but a real trained focus on multiple sources of stimuli was problematic for us in our evolutionary past. Too much constant stimuli leads to sensory overload and a breakdown in functionality, which then proves fatal if we’re distracted from reacting to a lethal threat. Thus, we evolved psychological mechanisms to push less (though still) important information to the peripheries of our conscious awareness, to afford us a mental acuity on information of more importance.
One of my personal, foundational theories about psychology is that people are intimately aware of their own conditions.
This is a good starting point in clarifying why we feel a need to typify others. Humans are creatures of habit with an insatiable need to see familiarity in other people’s actions. So when that predictable behavior changes even marginally, our instinctual perceptions fire off all kinds of warnings. I’m starting off with this today because the last part of the creep story is about men setting off this trigger in women.
I’ve written on several occasions about how women constantly complain about how the stereotypical ‘Nice’ guy can turn into a ‘creep’ when it turns out that all the guy was being nice for was part of his Beta Game of identifying with her in order to get to intimacy. There’s a lot going on in a situation like this, but fundamentally it represents a situation where a woman’s Hypergamous filters are fooled (or not) by a guy misrepresenting himself as one asset to her Hypergamous understanding of him and then his revealing and confirming for her that he expects her to believe he’s something else.
I’ve also written before that nothing is more flattering for a woman to believe that she’s figured out a man by using her mythological feminine intuition. However, there is a flip side to this ego-compliment to women, and that’s when her ‘intuitive’ assessment of a man’s SMV status compared to her (self-perceived) own proves to be false. Nothing is more offensive to a woman than for her to have made an assessment of a guy based on her mythical intuition and then to have it prove inaccurate.
The reason this is so offensive is because women’s Hypergamous optimization with any man is largely dependent on her intuition. Hypergamy and women’s long -term breeding strategy depends on assessing men’s SMV and their utility to her accurately. This is often compounded by women being sold on the infallibility of their feminine intuition – courtesy of a feminine-primary social order – and grossly exaggerated self-perceptions of their own SMV, and the caliber of men they ‘know’ they must deserve. But as with most things human there is also a learned / trained aspect of pattern recognition. Much of this learned side for women is often distorted by our female-important society.
Hypergamy cannot afford to incorrectly assess a man’s status and value. There is only a finite window of optimization while a woman is in her peak desirability in life. So it should come as little surprise that if a man misrepresents himself as something other than what he is – either deliberately or by misunderstanding – women feel an offense on the limbic level. It’s an offense that confirms she’s wasted her very precious time with a Hypergamous dead end. And, needless to say, Game is a form of deliberately tricking a woman’s Hypergamous filtering – at least in the PUA sense, if not an authentic sense – thus, Game is so vehemently disparaged in women and their identifying sympathizers.
When a woman typifies a guy as a creep what she’s responding to is the fallibility of her intuition, but also his efforts to misrepresent himself as something he’s not to her filtering mechanism. I should also add here that concepts like preselection and social proof are extensions of this filtering process. Only in this case it’s women’s collective, social filtering that’s aiding in an individual woman’s selection and optimization process. As such, that collective of women (the Sisterhood Über Alles) needs a type of man to be the representative of the ‘deceiver of Hypergamy’ – enter the Creep.
I’m actually kind of glad I held out for three posts in this series; it allowed for that many more sexual misconduct allegations to come forward in what’s being called a masculine moral panic today. And as I predicted in Male Control, the feminine social narrative has shifted from a type of masculinity being “toxic” to masculinity itself is toxic.
THE FACT IS, IT’S YOU. IT’S MEN. THE SOCIAL ILL THAT WE CAN’T QUITE PUT OUR FINGER ON IS MEN.
This is a quote from a recent article in Esquire. Yes, Esquire, a magazine that used to be an exclusive male space dedicated to men’s higher aspirations and betterment is now a vehicle for this new narrative of male shaming, and gender loathing. That’s to be expected these days – GQ is a similar platform for the Feminine Imperative’s messaging – but what I found interesting in this article was some of the examples of ‘creepiness’ women believe is rampant in American workplace culture. I had thought that with the rise of HR departments’ directives to police male behavior (at the risk of future unemployability) the issues she mentions would be something men would fear – I guess not.
A coworker knew I had a date the night before, so he asked me how it went. He said, “So, did he get lucky?”
Don’t ask about her romantic life. Don’t refer to her sex life. Don’t ask about the quality of the sex she’s having. Don’t comment that she seems like she needs to get laid. Don’t tell her to lock down a guy before she gets too old and decrepit. Don’t reassure her that with tits like hers, she’ll find a guy some day. Don’t relay details of your own marriage and past in order to comment on hers. Don’t make knowing eyes when she mentions she’s going on date number three. Don’t tell her how to behave on a date. Don’t tell her what guys like on a date. Don’t tell her to wear a low-cut shirt on a date. Don’t make any reference to getting lucky, like, ever.
What guy does any of this? How does he know when a female coworker had a date to begin with? There’s a lot that goes along with how a woman comes to a list of Don’ts, but I think this list represents a good illustration of the creep dynamic. The primary concern she has in all of these Don’ts can all be distilled down to a guy beneath her Hypergamous attraction floor presuming a familiar intimacy with her. I find it very hard to believe any of these Don’ts would be actual occurrences, but I’m looking at them through a Red Pill Lens – yes, it’s entirely likely that Blue Pill creeps would in fact resort to some of these comments.
Essentially the entire article is an effort in berating the Beta men women really want nothing to do with.
YOU SHOULD BE AFRAID OF SAYING OR DOING A WRONG THING AND HAVING IT BE INTERPRETED IN EXACTLY THE WAY YOU MEANT IT.
Women want lesser men to be afraid to approach, compliment and engage with them, but the message is wrapped in generalities to imply all men do these things. This message has the potential to throw the Alphas out with the bathwater, so I would predict there’ll be a few related articles that will of course shame men for not ‘manning up’ and approaching women like a “real man” should.
Dangerous Times
All that said, I can easily imagine Beta men, confused about sexual zoning, engaging in exactly the behaviors described here. It is a very dangerous time to be a Blue Pill Beta today. In fact, I’d argue it’s never been more potentially hazardous for guy ignorant of Game and the nature of intersexual dynamics. I find it very ironic that the men who actually understand the potential for some real life-damaging accusations in the workplace or any other off-limits social context, who take the open door, have-a-witness, policy for working with women are being shamed for it by women. This is the environment they created, but they created it in response to a want for absolute control of their Hypergamous choices.
A “creep” can pretty much be anyone a woman (or women) want that guy to be – even guys who were previously attractive with whom they had consensual sex with. That Alpha they didn’t mind oversharing their sex life information with can be the “creep” if he decides to break things off with her. Again, this comes back to unfettered control of women’s Hypergamous choices as well as absolving them of any regrets they may have had that resulted from them.
Edelweiss had an excellent comment in last week’s thread:
From my perspective, the guys most often labeled a “creep” are those with poor social awareness and/or men who those women see as offering no real value to them.
Now in my mid 40’s, I can see things that would never have registered for a 20yr old version of me. I often think “how did I miss this before?”. My focus now is almost entirely on body language. A woman can consistently lie with what she says, but she (anyone really) can’t consistently lie with their body language. Any guy not well versed in reading the various signs of interest, or a lack of, needs to spend some time studying the basics. It seems simple now.
One of the major mistakes I see guys make, is escalating too quickly. Touching, and sexualizing around a woman who isn’t into you, or is unsure of your value, is a great way to be labeled a creep. How many times have you seen a guy double down on an approach that isn’t working, and consequently become known as a “creeper”? A good number of men get into “pursuit” mode, and completely fuck up their chances by being overzealous.
I’ve got to repeat this, it’s never been a more dangerous time for men unaware of Red Pill intersexual dynamics and even basic Game principles. Blue Pill Beta men have been conditioned and acculturated to default to a Beta Game that is the perfect storm for so volatile a time. These guys literally have no idea that what their interacting with women is doing is setting them up for. Simple compliments and treating women with a default respect is becoming a liability for men with poor social awareness, but this is exactly the type of men our social order has developed for the past 4 generations. These Beta ‘creeps’ who should just know better than to try to approach the ‘average’ woman are the result of decades of raising and acculturating boys to hate their masculine nature and confuse their good intentions with some form of Game women might appreciate.
Pook once had a great quote back on the SoSuave Forum. He said,
How do I judge a woman’s character? I see how she treats people who can do nothing for her.
This test has never failed me.
At this point in time I think we are seeing how women treat the men who can do nothing for them.
@Blaximus:
Two facts for today:
1) Prince Harry of Britland got engaged to some thot.
2) The current temperature at McMurdo in Antarctica is about 17 degrees F
https://weather.com/weather/today/l/McMurdo+Antarctica+AYXX0010:1:AY
Which fact do you care about the least?
all the legalistic dodges that are used to get around restrictions on “English” technology.
…like kerosene-powered air compressors and keeping a land line phone across the street from the house and a battery-powered radio
Amish have lived in Russia…probably in South America, too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish
https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/935201267348946945
Beta is as Beta does.
@ AR
Lol, well thots are gonna thot.
But Antarctica seems a tad warm for this time of year.
Who’s the bigger tool here?
https://pagesix.com/2017/11/27/gwyneth-paltrow-happily-brunches-with-ex-and-new-beau/
Hey Greg, baby —
What part of
even if it isn’t technically pedophilia
do you not fucking understand, you obtuse cunt?
Go on, come and go as you will, and use this place as your fucking virtual therapy circle for how totally obviously mentally unstable and fundamentally fucked up you are — go on, then. We are all well used to it by now. It’s how addicts are, isn’t that true “scrib”?
Fuck off, you fucked up asshole. Never was there more of a fake, pretend “alpha” ever in the sphere.
I’ve never seen Nova go all –
My home city ( Liverpool, UK) is opening a “coyote ugly” bar 😬.
They are currently holding interviews and I can only imagine the type of attention whore wanna be footballers wives that will attend.
The days of the Beta are truly over! But maybe that’s not a bad thing?
Another creep!
Oh wait… Alphas have very different reference experiences than Betas… lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49qNlv5vuJw
“I’m gonna go snake out on this one!” lol
Novaseeker Well, I thought one of the accusers said that he forced her head down into his lap in the car, but relented when she resisted. That’s sexual assault, if it happened. Pedophilia per se isn’t a crime, it’s the acts with the underaged that are crimes, but a lot of people think a 31 yo man and a 14 yo girl is really wrong, even if it isn’t technically pedophilia. The doubling down continues in the push to make Roy Moore into a “creep”. Yet it still isn’t sticking. There’s over 2 weeks till the special Senate election, I… Read more »
@ AR
But wait, there’s more…
My money is on this scenario if Moore wins a senate seat.
Mitch ” the bitch ” McConnell will block the door to his office like George Wallace, and Paul Ryan will be standing beside him for backup. The senate will not seat him, and the GOP will all be basically in lockstep.
We’ll all see how this plays out, but first Moore has to win.
@IAS – “I wonder to which extent this latest “raising the stakes” is a response to manosphere efforts to disseminate RP/ Game knowledge.” I believe the whole Weinstein affair and domino effect hysteria that’s followed it IS a direct response by feminists and other elitist social engineers against the red pill movement. I have no doubt that they see the manosphere sites and RP knowledge exploding, and with the release of the Red Pill movie (as innocuous and purple pill it may be), they are using Weinstein et al to deliberately create a firestorm that keeps men quiet and subservient… Read more »
“I do not know what the Amish TFR is but it’s probably at least 3 children / woman / lifespan if not more.”
I think its about 5. Which is probably unsustainably high given that they take full advantage of modern medicine and have a very low child mortality rate.
I believe the whole Weinstein affair and domino effect hysteria that’s followed it IS a direct response by feminists and other elitist social engineers against the red pill movement. Nah. I don’t buy that. The androsphere isn’t even a blip on their radar. We are just noise to them. Weinstein is about something else. The FI first, but quite possibly something / someone more disturbing that we aren’t supposed to see at all. Like the real-deal pedos the two Corys had to deal with years back. Look at all the child actresses that have gone through the Disney machine and… Read more »
Blaximus Mitch ” the bitch ” McConnell will block the door to his office like George Wallace, and Paul Ryan will be standing beside him for backup. The senate will not seat him, and the GOP will all be basically in lockstep. That would be big fun. The Senate would have three ways to refuse to seat Moore. A little time with a search engine turned up these: 1. Not qualfied to serve under Article I section 3 of the Constitution (fail) 2. The election returns don’t support his claim (if he wins election this fails) 3. The election was… Read more »
I’m very happy that Roy Moore is standing up to TPTB. 🙂
Look at all the child actresses that have gone through the Disney machine and how messed up they become once they are no longer “children” – what reference experiences did Lindsey Lohan go through back when she was 14, I wonder? How did Miley Cyrus get so messed up? Etc. Etc. I doubt much there would be really surprising there. What I mean is that most people already assume that Cyrus, Spears, Lohan and crew were fucked and chucked by numerous older men when they were underage actresses. I mean there is even footage somewhere of Cyrus being really well… Read more »
O’Keefe’s project Verita may have just gotten busted trying to troll the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic–and-false–tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html
Novaseeker
What I mean is that most people already assume that Cyrus, Spears, Lohan and crew were fucked and chucked by numerous older men when they were underage actresses.
Maybe in the DC area. Out here in flyover that kind of talk is controversial. Especially among the churchgoing set.
The revelation that harassment claims against congressmen have long been secretly paid off with taxpayer hush-money is very damaging to all those now sitting — complicating any potential effort to bar Moore from serving. And then of course you’ve got Franken and Conyers sitting right there.
“Out here in flyover that kind of talk is controversial.”
It shouldn’t be. In 1969’s The Godfather [the book] there was a sub plot involving producers and 12 year old actresses…
It shouldn’t be. In 1969’s The Godfather [the book] there was a sub plot involving producers and 12 year old actresses…
So?
Suppose you unpack all the assumptions that you made in that sentence, then get back to me.
There are preachers who took their kids to Frozen out here, because “It’s Disney!”. They have no clue. None.
Lol. Suppose I don’t? You mad at Scribb still?
I concur with AR and disagree with IAS and The Ghost about the FI motives are there to push back against The Red Pill. The Red Pill and it’s complementary brother, Game is totally the smallest blip on the radar screen ever. Not quite as small as “The Secret Society”, but small indeed. I for one would like to keep it that way and not talk about fight club unless in male only spaces with red pill guys only. Rollo has stayed under the radar so much for this reason. (partly from unassailable inductive reasoning and partly because the FI… Read more »
… somebody should check on scrib. Nova body slammed the fuck out of him.
Fiction? http://godfather.wikia.com/wiki/Jack_Woltz “Woltz was a Jewish movie producer who had achieved mild success in the film industry, having come up from nothing, rolling barrels with his father in Hell’s Kitchen during the early 1900s. He eventually went on to found Woltz International Pictures, which grew into one of the biggest studios in Hollywood. During World War II he became the White House’s propaganda adviser, obtaining a large government contract as well as political contacts in the process, as well as an acquaintance with J. Edgar Hoover. It is also revealed that he had become a pedophile in his old age… Read more »
“Jack Woltz is believed to be based on Harry Cohn, the president and founder of Columbia Pictures who had cast Sinatra in From Here to Eternity.[3][4] Moe Howard of the Three Stooges recalled that Cohn was “a real Jekyll-and-Hyde-type of guy, socially, he could be very charming”. Cohn had ties to organized crime. New Jersey mob boss Longy Zwillman, a longtime friend, lent Cohn the money to buy complete control of Columbia.”
@ AR Looking over the link you provided, I’m starting to doubt that any attempts to stop Moore, if elected, from taking his seat couldn’t stand, and even after being seated, if the senate goes after him for conduct unbecoming or some such, no judge(s) worth their salt would uphold that as Moore hasn’t been charged with any crime, much less convicted of one. Yup, this will be good. What are the odds that there will be a pussy hat revival on the mall? This is an opportunity to find out what the FI is made of. Can they over-rule… Read more »
“… somebody should check on scrib. Nova body slammed the fuck out of him.” Not Really. Blaximus’ Statement: We call that Baiting in the deer hunting community. You gotta be shitting me. He’s fine. And he will always be as fine as he wants to be. And sometimes he doesn’t want to be fine. He’s a lover, not a fighter. But he’s also a fighter, so don’t get any ideas. Nova saying that shit just makes him more Anti-fragile. Which is what he needs. Scribbler is one of my Red Pill heroes. Partly, though because he made me better. Mostly… Read more »
“Cohn expected, or at least asked for, sex from female stars in exchange for employment (although similar stories were connected to many producers in Hollywood at the time).[6] Harry Cohn’s relationship with Rita Hayworth was fraught with aggravation. Hayworth’s biography If This Was Happiness, describes how she refused to sleep with Cohn and how this angered him.[7] However, because Hayworth was such a valuable property Cohn kept her under contract because she made him money. During the years they worked together, each did their best to irritate the other despite their lengthy work relationship which produced good results. Cohn wanted… Read more »
@ sjf Did you see the last response from scrib to me? ( and I wasn’t even addressing him ) “Scribbler has had a crushing weight of demons on his psyche and he is embracing his shadow self in order to climb out of the hole (via Red Pill) that ignorance past dug him. And that from a guy that is anything other than ignorant in General. One of the smartest guys ever that got blindsided by the Blue-Pill-Buy-In. Because of that he is an exemplar (a person or thing serving as a typical example or excellent model). Even if… Read more »
Scribblerg “Think about what would be possible in a shit storm if a bunch of trad-con men banded together.” Trad-cons already banded together. From, say, 1935-1965. All chafing at the bit to be overburdened, overheroic and way overly self-sacrificial for their culture and pedestalized maidens. Yeah it was culture but we’re still animals. If you prop yourself up for predators then they’re going to be there. If you lay down your life for others happiness, then a whole lot of them will just say; “Yeah, okay,” while giggling to themselves. That’s all that trad-cons got in return and it continues… Read more »
@Blaximus “Did you see the last response from scrib to me? ( and I wasn’t even addressing him ) No I did not, I looked back but did not find. Show the comment link by linking on the time of the post and copy and pasting it for me. The guy is a rogue. Because that fits his profile and he needs to be a rogue. That’s where he redeems himself. To each his own. And I’m a Trad-Conn. It serves me well. Sitting in a niche, not well designed for others. I’m not unsatisfied. As to the latest comment… Read more »
@ sjf I’ll withhold any comments about scrib. Lets just say he crossed a line with me by the shit he was spewing without any provocation from me. Irl, I’d slap the skin off of his face for the bullshit he was blowing out of his pie hole… but, this is the internet. Lol. I know you like him a lot ( I did too, but he beat that out of me ) and that you have a lot of ” understanding ” concerning his arrogantly ignorant and stupid assed mannerisms, but I have zero use for that guy. Why… Read more »
Novaseeker I actually really enjoyed scribblerg’s post but parts of it reminded me of neo-feminism’s attempt to conflate unattractiveness in males with every negative quality imaginable. Essentially the nice guy TM nonsense. It’s amazing just how tiny the amount of Game knowledge needed to correct beta behaviour. Smh29 Well-before I knew there existed workable strategies to increase attraction I said to my clueless father “How come women say they hate chauvinism yet chauvinists do much better with women?” He laughed and shrugged and of course if he’d done his job properly I’d have never had to ask. There was only… Read more »
Sentient on unpacking his assumptions:
Lol. Suppose I don’t?
Not my problem.
Sentient posts a bunch of stuff about some dead guy named Harry Cohn. Sheesh, I could ask 1,000 people in all walks of life about that guy and I doubt anyone would have heard of him. History book stuff. People yawn at that. Might as well bring up Judy Garland, or Thelma Todd, or Fatty Arbuckle…old news, all of it. Nobody now cares, and they would not even connect the dots to current events – even with Weinstein’s picture held up in front of them. Maybe some ordinary people would have some sort of vague idea about the “casting couch”… Read more »
I’ll withhold any comments about scrib. Lets just say he crossed a line with me by the shit he was spewing without any provocation from me. Irl, I’d slap the skin off of his face for the bullshit he was blowing out of his pie hole… Because he has some super dark demons lurking in his soul that he never let surface. Until he could. Why the fuck pop in every few weeks only to tell everybody how ( happy, sad, rich, struggling, only use women hb8 and higher for sex, now I’m in love, I choked a bitch, I… Read more »
Blaximus This is an opportunity to find out what the FI is made of. Can they over-rule the law? Do an end run around the United States Senate? Yep. And given what we’ve witnessed so far, is there any chance that Roy will just throw his hands up and say ” Aw, fuck it. Y’all win “??? LOL there was some opposition group that tried during the Republican primary to claim he was “soft on the right to bear arms”, so at the next press conference he hauled a .38 revolver out of his pants pocket for show & tell… Read more »
Impudence
A noun
The quality of being impudent; impertinence.
“his arrogance and impudence had offended many”
synonyms: impertinence, insolence, effrontery, audacity, cheek, cheekiness, cockiness, brazenness, brass, boldness; presumption, presumptuousness, disrespect, flippancy, bumptiousness, brashness; rudeness, impoliteness, ill manners, gall. nerve, sauce, sass, sassiness
Trad-con subservience/gullibility was so egregious that it became the foundation of our culture.
Someone that doesn’t know history is blowing smoke out their ass. You’ve obviously never heard of Eagle Forum.
http://eagleforum.org/
Some tradcons are still fighting feminism. Far from all tradcons were gullible or subservient, but the feminists used women, minorities, and young fools (the commies’ traditional voting blocks) to bulldoze their agenda through. People like you. Tradcons tend to be old, male or married females, and white.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRJKwDfDbco&feature=push-u&attr_tag=KQDqB91WINKyHyHu-6
NFSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP1QxI1hAz4
Trad-Cons don’t want the Red Pill, they want a time machine.
“The reason this is so offensive is because women’s Hypergamous optimization with any man is largely dependent on her intuition. Hypergamy and women’s long -term breeding strategy depends on assessing men’s SMV and their utility to her accurately. This is often compounded by women being sold on the infallibility of their feminine intuition – courtesy of a feminine-primary social order – and grossly exaggerated self-perceptions of their own SMV, and the caliber of men they ‘know’ they must deserve. But as with most things human there is also a learned / trained aspect of pattern recognition. Much of this learned… Read more »
Nope, never heard of the Eagle Forum. Got me on that one. And I’m a commie now? Okay, bruh. What an incoherent lashout there. I hate tradcons more than feminists at the moment. Feminists have become somewhat inspiring in that they are in a state of completely imposing their will on the world, as contradictory and thoughtless as their will might be. Trad-con males are cowards. They have to know on some level that they got worked hard, and their only response has been to lure others into their same way of life (unheeded subservience) to minimize their regrets through… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC4nC17VghM “I’ve got to repeat this, it’s never been a more dangerous time for men unaware of Red Pill intersexual dynamics and even basic Game principles. Blue Pill Beta men have been conditioned and acculturated to default to a Beta Game that is the perfect storm for so volatile a time. These guys literally have no idea that what their interacting with women is doing is setting them up for. Simple compliments and treating women with a default respect is becoming a liability for men with poor social awareness, but this is exactly the type of men our social order… Read more »
Little shift here, but not really: Last week in “The Creep – Part 2” comments section @Sentient was asking @Blaximus to give his “standard” definition of what “is” Alpha since @Blaximus had referenced it in a previous comment. @Blaximus gave a quick summary of it and offered to maybe add some more later…I’d still be interested in reading it if that time comes… Since I already happened to be working on the same thing here’s where my definition of it currently sits: Alpha vs. Beta We all know each of these upon experiencing them but to give a definitive definition… Read more »
lendhispeaks “Your growth. Your improvement. Your evolution. Your development. Your enlightenment. Your anything you believe in. Start the cycle again. Next prospects. Rinse and repeat…” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9NVQr1r9nw “The elusive real Alphas, where are they? Fucking girls of course lol. I’d put the real Alphas at less than 5% of the male population and probably closer to 1% than said 5%. Most real raw Alphas don’t exist anymore. Now if you want to include the poser Alphas referenced above I’d say the number jumps significantly to the more accepted 15-20% range. But I’m really only interested in the less than 5% of… Read more »
@ lendhispeaks
I haven’t forgotten, but it’s harder to define than I though without just rambling on and on and not really defining. ” mindsets ” are like that.
I started a couple of times, read what I was writing and saw it was lacking.
But I will get to it. It’s probably not wise as it will get picked apart, and probably rightfully so.
At the very least it should be interesting discussion
I am gonna leave this piece of genius that was written by RedPill Doctor, at RedPillRoctor.com Sadly, the website is no longer available, but it was a GOLDMINE, much like The Rational Male! The maestro behind the website also makes a mention of you, Mr. Tomassi! This ties in very well into the creep label that women attach to the inferior men. RedPillDoctor writes the following: Unlike a tangible space, the internet is a place where a ‘provider male’ can easily access ‘top-secret’ information for long periods of time without a woman’s knowledge where her vagina has zero influence because… Read more »
@ Lendhispeaks @Blaximus @All I don’ comment much on here because I feel other commenters offer more intelligent input, and I can rarely think of anything to add. I am also painfully aware of my awkwardness in socialising online, which is something I guess I have to work on. But today I think I may have something of value for everyone, with regards to the definition of alpha. I tend to simplify things as defining alpha as a man who has himself as his mental point of origin (as written about by Rollo), which is a prerequisite for holding frame.… Read more »
Also I’m in a different timezone (it’s early afternoon over here), so I tend to post during periods of low traffic.
>What guy does any of this? Those things would be weird or even rude if they came out of the blue from a random co-worker, but may not be weird at all if there was any familiarity & friendship between the two parties, a past history of talking about things sexual or personal. One thing that will be hurt by the #MeToo crowd are friendships. The workplace environment, at least between men and women, will become a lot colder, soulless, and more corporate. The irony, of course, is that this is a lot harder on women than men. Friendly talk… Read more »
Free thinking Alpha mindset, captured with words?
westray, you shoot a blanket salvo at TradCons and are hurt when one of us old timers shoots back? Don’t you think that maybe expecting no return salvo is just a little foolish? Ever heard of the “Equal Rights Amendment?” Nope? Eagle Forum led the fight against it. And won. Lost the fight against VAWA. Clinton and the dems won. They were elected by women, minorities, and young fools like you. Today’s Eagle Forum isn’t the same one that fought the ERA and won. Phyllis Schlafly isn’t leading it any more. Today’s TradCons aren’t the TradCons who fought against the… Read more »
Thanks Garnet. I will take a crack at it too. Here’s how I quickly define “frame” — extend it outward if you will to point of origin and general alphatude: Are you just this week’s guest star in HER ongoing TV series, or is she the guest star in YOUR TV series. Captain Kirk had to deal with one crazy/hot female after another from week to week. Some memorable and compelling actresses — but in the end it was always about him, his mission and his command. Defining alpha is difficult but it’s like that judge’s famous line about pornography:… Read more »
“How do I judge a woman’s character? I see how she treats people who can do nothing for her.
This test has never failed me.
At this point in time I think we are seeing how women treat the men who can do nothing for them.”
This goes for both men and women by the way.
Great post Rollo!
@boulder We can only try. 🤔 @Asd I’m no history buff, but isn’t that because post-Vietnam generations bought into the “Free Love” fallacy, and gave up on the First Set of Books, with the (misguided) expectation of sexual reciprocation? That’s the equivalent of converting your opponents’ soldiers to your cause. Most people don’t want to be unplugged, and aren’t going to rock the boat by speaking out against feminism. When the vast majority of men remain silent out of a very real fear of backlash from the FI I can fully understand why Rollo prefers a bottoms up approach to… Read more »
@AR
“His own party was just fine with Dennis Hastert for years”
His Ephebeoplila and older homo predation on young guys is status quo. They get a social pass.
Hamsters was busted on transferring large amounts (just under the 10k reportable limit) of cash not abuse.
@Rollo Great post as usual. This passage stuck out for me: “Hypergamy cannot afford to incorrectly assess a man’s status and value. There is only a finite window of optimization while a woman is in her peak desirability in life. So it should come as little surprise that if a man misrepresents himself as something other than what he is – either deliberately or by misunderstanding – women feel an offense on the limbic level. It’s an offense that confirms she’s wasted her very precious time with a Hypergamous dead end.” Women are definitely harder on men who previously passed… Read more »
@Garnet
Seeking validation is generally Beta. Impudence defines Alpha.
Giving validation in a leadership role is useful, when deserved and spartanly offered. Alpha manipulates his environment, avoids manipulation. External validation isn’t required for Alpha integrity.
To look at Alpha you have to look at what is attractive to women, because universally women are attracted to Alpha [sperg warning – for these discussions assume that words have meanings commonly ascribed to them and that they do matter]. Blax Good to see you are overcoming the technological challenges posed by your massive alpha thumbs. Look forward to your definitions. Lendhispeak Fame, status and money are not Alpha, though they can be the result of Alpha. An Alpha takes charge and goes directly for what he wants. Close… an Alpha goes for what he wants true, he has… Read more »
@EhIntellect
Thanks for the correction. I guess that would mean the alpha validates himself (consciously or not), while the beta seeks validation. Definitely each man should be ‘full on his own.’
@
Sentient
Oh shit, I thought it was SJF who came up with DPA. Time to get my reading glasses on…lol
Rugby11
Her:”why can’t you ever give me a straight fucking answer!”
Him:”That’s what I thought i was doing…?”
That eyes Wide Shut clip, the first one, is required viewing… worthy of a 3,000 word FR break down. Cruise is the UberBeta in that movie, so perfect.
asdgamer,
Clowns like you got routed by the feminists and women in general because you were soooo slow on the draw. Don’t try to rewrite it. You guys had your head’s so far up your asses in self-congratulation that you didn’t even see the enemy coming. Now the next generations have to find ways to navigate the culture that you left in shambles with your subservience. Going to fight in Vietnam had to be the pinnacle of blind subservience. Your generation made the words ‘dupe’ and ‘hero’ into synonyms.
Alpha-up does benefit a man wholly, sex comes part in parcel. Alpha understands when he wants female company he can have it. Honey badger. IMO one trick pony Alpha’s spend more time, treasure and talent shoring up their Beta failures than needed. i.e. suicidal PUA’s, weeping tech giants.
The bolder one races to alpha the faster the gain. All Alpha, all the time.
Bedroom Scene Full – that one
Garnet, chick porn has been around a long time and it has contributed heavily to releasing Hypergamy. The Pill and No Fault Divorce (NFD) also contributed heavily. Second Wave Feminism came into its own when women started working in the factories because so many men were off fighting a war. Once society started relying on women for labor, the genie was out of the bottle because women could enter the work force in droves without fear of social sanctions. They no longer had to stay home and take care of their family. Now they could use babysitters for childcare and… Read more »
Westray
Now the next generations have to find ways to navigate the culture that you left in shambles with your subservience.
http://www.brynmawr.edu/library/exhibits/suffrage/MensLeague2.jpg
Which generation?
“I guess that would mean the alpha validates himself (consciously or not), while the beta seeks validation. Definitely each man should be ‘full on his own.’”
“Close… an Alpha goes for what he wants true, he has a bias for acting. But he doesn’t need to lead or be a leader.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTAE7voGvkw
” Alpha manipulates his environment, avoids manipulation. External validation isn’t required for Alpha integrity.”
Westray,
Women are historically dissatisfied. FI hasn’t done much for them, they are useful fools. Feminism is part of a greater yoking of freewill for the benefit of key holders. Imposing subservience is the goal of the cultural elite, not of TRM.
@RPI
November 28, 2017 at 2:08 am
There’s this thing that archives old blogs called the internet archive wayback machine.
https://archive.org/web/
for example:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170106161543/http://www.redpilldoctor.com:80/what-is-the-red-pill/
@Sentient
Great pics. When I’m Supreme dictator my first action will revoke all Wilson-era amendments.
“During Wilson’s eight years as president, Congress passed two constitutional amendments: prohibition (18th); and women’s suffrage (19th). Wilson vetoed the Volstead Act (the 18th amendment), believing it to be unenforceable, but the law, designed to enforce Prohibition, was passed over his veto.
Two other amendments were ratified while Wilson was President: income tax (16th) was ratified in February 1913; and direct election of Senators (17th) was ratified on April 8, 1913.”
Ehintellect It’s a fascinating time… where across the West, suffrage took hold by 1920. What madness… Many say the result of WWI, I’m not so sure… dark forces have been bubbling up for a looooong time. Someone mentioned “free love” upthread… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_love It wasn’t about 1967… A number of utopian social movements throughout history have shared a vision of free love. The all-male Essenes, who lived in the Middle East from the 1st century BC to the 1st century AD apparently shunned sex, marriage, and slavery.[12] They also renounced wealth, lived communally, and were pacifist[13] vegetarians. An Early Christian sect… Read more »
It’s a gift.
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EhIntellect His Ephebeoplila and older homo predation on young guys is status quo. They get a social pass. Looks that way. Makes me wonder what other Congressional denizens have similar habits that are still under cover. I’m only half joking when I suggest that 70 year old Roy Moore with his 56 year old wife and 4 children is too heterosexual for the inside-DC GOP or DNC. Hamsters was busted on transferring large amounts (just under the 10k reportable limit) of cash not abuse. Well, the statute of limitations ran out on the abuse so no prosecution possible. The money… Read more »
https://youtu.be/JQc9L2RbQkw
Westray came to play… With an oak axe handle. Lol.
westray, are people now speaking Russian in daily life in the United States? So much you know just ain’t so. You read bullshit about the past. I was there. Young idiots don’t get it that the Cold War was a war for survival, just like WW2. There were a lot of socialist Fifth Columnists (academia and the media and the democratic party) undermining the U.S. in so many ways…including unleashing Hypergamy. Vietnam was a military victory, but the democratic Congress gave it away because of communist propaganda in the news. Vietnam was important because, for the first time, the Progressives… Read more »
@AR – We’ll have to disagree. Notice that no one is naming names when it comes to the leading pedophiles of Hollywood. Not even Cory Feldman has done it (he says he will in a documentary, but don’t hold your breath). The pedophiles are deep, and that darkness is being protected. Even when directly asked actors who have alluded to knowing things will change the subject now. Ttue, Charlie Sheen has been accused with a 13 year old, and Spacey with a 17 year old, but if those happened they still don’t touch the long whispered about pedos behind the… Read more »
Blax, take your communism tripe elsewhere.
Rollo Trad-Cons don’t want the Red Pill, they want a time machine. Maybe. Although that might be more of a Baby Boomer thing. “Going back to the 50’s” isn’t as attractive to the people who grew up in the 70’s and 80’s. For sure there is an intense selectiveness to the Trad-con nostalgia. Definitely TradCons want their women (wives, girlfriends, daughters, mothers, etc.) to be haaaapy. How that plays out depends on the Tradcon frame of reference. Serious religious tradcons may still want their daughters to marry and become mothers. Others will want their girls to be strong, independent, kick-ass… Read more »
Free Love! 1848 style…from Wikipedia Complex marriage The Oneida community believed strongly in a system of free love (a term Noyes is credited with coining) known as complex marriage,[5] where any member was free to have sex with any other who consented.[6] Possessiveness and exclusive relationships were frowned upon.[7] Unlike 20th-century social movements such as the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s, the Oneidans did not seek consequence-free sex for pleasure, but believed that, because the natural outcome of intercourse was pregnancy, raising children should be a communal responsibility. Women over the age of 40 were to act as sexual “mentors”… Read more »
Lol. I give zero fucks about communism outside of historical relevance. Yin and yang, 2 sides, always
But just for the hell of it, why do you believe Cuba went communist? Right off our shore? Show me how thick your historical blinders are ASD.
Damn, is it a bit 1950’s in here, or is it me?
Lmao.
TheGhostOfSteveMcQueen @AR – We’ll have to disagree. Notice that no one is naming names when it comes to the leading pedophiles of Hollywood. Not even Cory Feldman has done it (he says he will in a documentary, but don’t hold your breath). I’ve noticed. Although there has been a lot of media focus on Weinstein. The pedophiles are deep, and that darkness is being protected. Even when directly asked actors who have alluded to knowing things will change the subject now. Ttue, Charlie Sheen has been accused with a 13 year old, and Spacey with a 17 year old, but… Read more »
@ AR
Cosign fully.
From my perspective, I’d never ever want to go ” back ” to the 50’s ( or prior ). No one alive in my family at that time looks back with ” fondness ” or teary eyed nostalgia
Tunnel vision is a motherfucker.
… ” communism ” wasn’t the only evil.
And I haven’t even started with history… The U.S. attempt to land Cuban anti communists was a failure back in 1961 at the Bay of Pigs…the Russians successfully detonated an atomic bomb…then the Chinese…North Korea impounded an American military ship…the threat of devastating nuclear war was constant…there were spy scandals where Soviet moles were discovered…the American economy under Carter had skyrocketing interest rates (16%) and unemployment…communist influence was high…then Reagan happened…interest rates dropped and people could buy houses and builders stimulated the economy and people invested in business and there were jobs…and Eastern Europe threw off their communist shackles and… Read more »
Having read the shit Scrib has gone through and come out swinging I doubt anything Nova says (or anyone else for that matter ) can shake the mathafaka.
“Was “Eyes Wide Shut” not so much fiction after all?”
Just like The Godfather…
The canard of prudish 50’s. The most fecund generation ever. Our parents were fucking in unprecedented numbers.
On Wilson, Men, Socialism:
“The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible. By the time a man has grown old enough to have a son in college he has specialized. The university should generalize the treatment of its undergraduates, should struggle to put them in touch with every force of life.”
And today we can’t pay kids enough to be welders.
Sentient
“Was “Eyes Wide Shut” not so much fiction after all?”
Just like The Godfather…
One of these things is not quite like the other. Mario Puzo’s books are not the same as the book Eyes Wide Shut is based on, for a start.