Presently I’m putting the final touches on my third book, The Rational Male – Positive Masculinity. I’m now going through the final proofing stages of the print version while I await the reformatting for the digital version. As if that weren’t enough, this time of year tends to be my busiest with regard to promo gigs and brand developments stuff for my “real” job. So if my posts for the next couple of weeks seem a bit sporadic that’s why.
In the midst of this, however, I came across a comment by a long time lurker, Logic, that dovetailed so perfectly with the Afterword of the new book so well that I’ve decided to quote parts of it in the book:
I don’t comment a lot in this blog. However, I think it is important to make a comment that many will probably disagree with but is certainly true for me.
If you ask someone what is the greatest benefit he gained by reading Rollo’s articles, I am sure that you will get various responses:
“I finally got laid”
“I managed to successfully spin plates”
“I understood the true nature of women”
“I stopped giving a fuck and focused on myself (and the women came after)”
…etc
I am sure that all of these are true, not the least reason being that I have experienced these benefits myself.
However, if I may suggest an unpopular opinion, the greatest benefit that one gets from reading Rollo’s article is the fact that you are giving yourself a safety net. And the most important thing in my opinion is that you give yourself this safety net EVEN IF you don’t truly believe what Rollo writes.
If I may elaborate briefly, by safety net I mean LITERALLY safety net. The safety net’s purpose is not for you not to fall. It is for you not to DIE after you have fallen. I believe this is an important distinction (and forgive me Rollo if you have touched on this in one of your articles already). At least for me this is HUGE.
There is a nontrivial probability that you ARE going to fall. Unless you really swear to not EVER feel ANY emotional connection with a woman, then it is highly likely that at some point you WILL fall in love with a girl. Sure, I am positive that many guys will consider that this is something that they can control now that they are Red Pill aware, but you MAY at some point fall in love and you WILL lose your “cool” (btw if you don’t want to call it love call it infatuation; there will be a girl whose combination of laughter, looks, mannerisms and personality will produce this to you; if you want to deny it go ahead and you may be right. But as I said this is just MY humble opinion).
So where does the whole “safety net” come into play? Well, it comes into play when things go south. You WILL loose your cool and she might not notice but then again she also may notice. You will think that this girl is different. Again, it is easy to say that AWALT, but you are not dealing with a bunch of 1s and 0s. It is a human being, standing in front of you, with a personality, with a voice, with interests, opinions and the like. So your brain will tell you that THIS one is different.
And when it turns out that she is not, and she goes cold or dumps you, or cheats on you, then my friend you are going to be JUST FINE. Because you have a safety net. I am not saying that you won’t be sad (you will) but you won’t try to throw yourself under a bridge. The safety net is placed there for a simple reason. The reason is that, in the beginning stages of your infatuation, before you started thinking that she is “not like that”, a little voice inside of you said “You have read about this situation in the Rational Male brother. This may be an illusion. Be careful”.
Yes, you muted that voice for a while, but you never killed it. And when the inevitable happened this little voice came back and said ” Oh well. We knew it. Nothing wrong with giving it a shot. Now let’s move on. Hey check out Little Miss Perkytits at the counter.”
I know that many of you will laugh at this but, to me at least this is a big deal. I also think that the analogy of the safety net is pretty accurate. Even if all of Rollo’s writings hadn’t helped me AT ALL with getting laid, improving myself etc and THE ONLY benefit was gaining that safety net, I think that reading Rollo’s articles would have still bee very much worth it.
I thought this metaphor of a safety net was apt. The history that comes after a man has unplugged himself from his old Blue Pill mindset is in some ways more poignant that what a man does while he is still trapped in his old way of thinking. It’s easier to forgive yourself of the decisions you made in Blue Pill ignorance, but when you become Red Pill aware you own those decisions. As Logic points out, you can only read and absorb what I or any other Red Pill author has to relate to you – at some point you’re going to either consciously or not put this new awareness into practice.
As such you’re bound to make mistakes or false starts. No one makes it on their first jump. It takes time and practice along with an educated Red Pill awareness to internalize and transition into a new way of life. One reason I wrote A New Hope was to help newly unplugged men get past the anger and nihilism stages of unplugging, but also to warn them that the want to achieve the old Blue Pill idealistic hopes will be a strong impulse until they come into a new understanding of Red Pill, realistic, hopes for themselves. In that stage, and even after, there will always be mistakes and falls along the way.
The difference now is that you have a new confidence in the knowledge that Red Pill awareness provides for you. Whereas before you struggled with both a lack of understanding intersexual dynamics and the deliberate misdirection of you ever understanding it, now you have the Red Pill Lens. Now you have a perspective that in most ways insulates you from ever thinking your situation is hopeless. Red Pill awareness provides you with a map and a safety net that allows you to make accurate corrections to your Game, to your relationships and to your life no matter if you fall, no matter your temporary setback. Many a disingenuous critic would have men believe the Red Pill is all about anger or fomenting a belief that men are victims of an unfair system, but what they conveniently ignore is the overwhelmingly positive effect Red Pill awareness has in men’s lives. A great source of confidence comes from a man knowing he’s been emancipated from a Blue Pill paradigm that’s conditioned him to blind himself to its influence.
Reader, and long-time friend, Morpheus responded with this:
Exactly right. All of it!
My 2nd marriage recently ended (about 6 weeks ago my wife left me and informed me she was filing for divorce) and to be honest I’ve sort of surprised myself just how emotionally unaffected I’ve been compared to my first marriage ending (which was before Red Pill, Rollo, and Rational Male). I’ve actually had multiple people comment incredulously at just how well I am doing. I’ve recommitted to a much more intense and frequent workout regimen, and am down about 20 pounds in those 6 weeks.
I credit my Red Pill perspective for enabling me to stay relatively stoic about it all, and refocus on something positive. I think it helps that I realize I haven’t lost my “Soulmate” because that is bullshit to begin with, and that women are fungible at least partly. Don’t get me wrong, I really do feel like I lost by best friend and have times of sadness. It certainly helps to realize that “Little Miss Perktits/Tight Ass/Tighter Wetter Pussy” is out there, and I’ll be fucking her soon enough.
I’d add that my Red Pill perspective also clues me in to what awaits my soon to be ex-wife who is 43 going on 53 in terms of her menopausal stage and very overweight (we started dating when she was 32 with the body of a fitness model). Schadenfreude is probably the wrong term since I don’t actively wish her a horrible experience in the SMP, but I do know she is in for a very rude awakening once she tests the dating waters.
But yeah, you are absolutely right. The fact of the matter is many “Red Pill” guys are going to form strong emotional bonds with women, and it will hurt when those bonds are severed unless you are a psychopath who doesn’t feel emotions like love, affection, etc. But the most powerful thing about the Red Pill perspective is knowing you will be JUST FINE and that truly the world is filled with other female options.
Anyone who’s read my post What’s Your Problem? probably has a good idea of what motivated me to write what I do going on 16 years now, but when I read stories like this and I get emails or Tweets to let me know how what I’ve made men aware of has somehow changed or saved a man’s life it’s always a humbling experience. As I’ve stated in both my books, I’m not in the business of making better men, I’m in the business of helping men become better men themselves. No formulas, no Top Ten Ways to,… lists, just actionable intelligence; but that information still requires a man come to applying it to his own life in a way which works for him.
Even if all Logic gets from my work is the sense of confidence that he has the right intel about how he can better direct his life despite any momentary downside I consider that a success of my intent as a Red Pill writer. When you look at the appalling statistics of male suicide and you understand the correlation of it with the rise of a feminine-primary social order that teaches men to loathe their own gender and accept their superfluousness, knowing that the Red Pill can provide some insulation against it is encouraging. My first reflex when I read a story like that of Morpheus is to presume the man is a suicide risk; his response to his situation is an example of how Red Pill awareness is not just an exercise in warning and preparing men of what to expect, but also a safety net in case a man must deal with the worst.
From the 16 Commandments of Poon
VII. Always keep two in the kitty
Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.
As I get closer to completing whats become a herculean task of finishing this book (it’s now at 340 pages!) I’m taking some time to reflect on what I’ve done not just with this new book, but what I’ve built in the Manosphere for over 15 years now. I may be one of the 3 ‘R’s of the ‘sphere, some might say I’m the godfather of the Red Pill and my work is required reading for the Red Pill Reddit sub, but I’ll never be comfortable with all that so long as there are guys who are still despondent in their Blue Pill paradigm. The Red Pill is ‘open source’ and its strength lies in its decentralized way of openly debating and testing the strength of ideas. I’m humbled that many men have had their lives changed by what I write, but it’s really a testament to their own resolve – all I do is connect dots, remember?
If it’s not too much to ask, for this week’s comment thread I’d like to get some feedback on how the Red Pill has changed your life. Maybe it’s been my work, maybe it’s due to others in the ‘sphere, but as I get closer to finishing book three I wanted to get men’s Red Pill testimonies, so to speak, to help with the summation of the book.
Thanks.
Dogs are like men, cats are like women.
The moment you’re dead, your dog either barks in horror or collapses to the floor with a whimper.
The moment you’re dead, your cat looks at your still-warm corpse like a steak.
“Mark of a duplicitous liar: distract with shame the sins you’re guilty of . . .”
He’s in league with Russia!
Ton
When I was younger I bit a dog once. Does that count?
Was there a headline in the local news “Boy Bites Dog”? Pics or get out!
@SJF here’s the vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S56K5ZI2yWk As Joe K said, Red Pill/Rollo relevant stuff starts at around 0:54. You might disagree with what they say but you can tell that Owen gets the relevance and importance of Red Pill knowledge. He also seems the only one to be aware or able to make a difference between MGTOW, MRA and Red Pill. As for the other Instructors deeming MGTOW, MRA and Red Pill all together as “these angry hating dudes on the internet who will finally fuck themselves in the ass because they want to eliminate all women” – at the risk… Read more »
So, are men supposed to live life in The Club for their entire lives? All I ever hear is going out In The Club… Talk To The Hawt Chick. Shun All Negativity ( what you perceive as negativity through supreme ignorance ). I still say what I’ve said for years – I want to know how many guys attend this stuff and actually progress in Life after attending. I get it, your eyes will be opened to one particular aspect of chicks and sex and whatever, but what else does this accomplish? It’s cool to be a stupid motherfucker that… Read more »
Bold Fail.
I need more Club Time.
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…. lol
LOL I bit it on the nose when it bit me, just like my grandmaw told me. When my Lady Pit bit me last Christmas I did the same thing
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I am at this charity gala bidness deal tonight. Pretend rich folks are fucking high-larious
@Trent Lane Thanks for the lecture, young man. “So as we said here earlier at times, it’s fucking great that the two spheres, PUA and Red Pill finally recognize each other. It can only be beneficial for all men. You NEED both. The butthurt arrogance and unwilligness to acknowledge the other will be there on both sides. Where do you see that the two spheres finally recognize each other? Just because Tyler/Owen is turning into a defacto OMG with having built wealth, have children, have a semblance of LTR and has knowledge and wisdom, no where is it evident that… Read more »
@ SJF At least in the video it’s clear that Owen.. or Todd… or whoever he is, is smart enough to at least feign some kind of grasp and understanding, however rudimentary, of TRP. That’s in contrast to the other giggling school girls occupying the stage with him. Never trust a man that finds everything funny, nor a full grown man that giggles. These knukleheads should just stick to their cash cow of hotseats and infield videos. They are not serious or mature enough to talk about anything else…. or at least they come off that way to the target… Read more »
Ton LOL I bit it on the nose when it bit me, just like my grandmaw told me. Old school Southron grandmaw for the win. When my Lady Pit bit me last Christmas I did the same thing She won’t forget, that’s for sure. Not ever. One dog and one human is a pack. Any pack requires a leader. If the human won’t be the pack leader, the dog will try to be. The dog is happiest when there’s an obvious leader. In this regard women are like dogs; if they perceive no one is in charge, they’ll try to… Read more »
Blaximus
I need more Club Time.
Sure, just keep your standards up.
“I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member” – Groucho Marx
LOL at everything in RSD free videos being taken seriously at face value. It’s like having a conversation on the taste and nutritional content of coca cola, and for some reason we are talking about polar bears. These videos are LEADS for their bootcamps and/or paid products. Everything valuable in there is simply colateral. – – – – – – – – – – – – – @Trent Lane “He[rsdyler] also seems the only one to be aware or able to make a difference between MGTOW, MRA and Red Pill.” Please. Each and every one of those motherfuckers have read… Read more »
Hypergamy doesn’t care is a negative energy poem? Heheheee… That women are attracted to the big boy is a fact, an ugly fact. Stating the ugly fact is NOT negative energy. Maybe that they do not like the ugliness of truth is probably what they are unconciously processing as negative energy? Aich. Heheheee. It never occurred to me that rsd has become THIS. WTF?One can massage themselves to sleep on “all-is-good-ethereal-positive-energy” but trash is ugly and if it is in our yard and someone has to point at it so we can see and shovel it to the trashdump/ landfill… Read more »
@cheupez “I liked a lot of what yareally said and what rsd seemed to be about. In fact I used to wonder what Rollo was going on about when he started harping on about the sins of rsd.” One thing about the videos YaReally was posting is that, unless it was a short clip, he would usually write something like “look from x moment to y moment and notice z.” The thing about rsd free tour youtube videos is that there is 60%(I’m being generous) bullshit in there, and 40% actual game content. Add to that the fact that everything… Read more »
@ Blaximus PUA hammers on going out as much as possible because by definition that‘s what PUA does, it‘s the only way to learn and it‘s the hardest fucking thing to do and nobody does it. Guys will lift weights, cut down to 8% bodyfat, make money, dress sharp, get a haircut, study law, become a doctor, go to fight in wars, land on the moon … all and everything instead of stepping in front of a woman and say „Hi!“ Yes, you should not be in the club 24/7 and let the rest of your life go to shit.… Read more »
@Trent Lane “[rsd]…but as of yet appears unaware of larger encompassing Red Pill principles like Hypergamy, War Brides, AF/BB correlating with the menstrual cycle, The lifelong Burden of Performance for men … and so on.” Where do you get that from? Let’s say I am tyler or max. Then read all of the posts here, then become aware of the mra/mgtow topics(divorce, paternity etc). What of what they DO isn’t red pill? Can you give me a specific example? Not what they say. What they DO. Collaborating with the rest of the manosphere in a kumbaya hug isn’t a requirement.… Read more »
“The OMG’s actually did their time. And they made their mistakes. And most times their comments are based on knowledge and wisdom.
Alot of OMG’s just got divorce raped ,followed the plan and expect young men to do the same while pretending to have some secret life knowledge
“Where do you get that from? Let’s say I am tyler or max. Then read all of the posts here, then become aware of the mra/mgtow topics(divorce, paternity etc). What of what they DO isn’t red pill? Can you give me a specific example? Not what they say. What they DO.”
Does anyone here have access to what’s going on in their personal lives?
If not, how could anyone answer this?
Worrying about what rsd does seems pretty bitch like to me.
Exception being if they are going after Rollo to hurt his brand and income. That’s businesses and would have to dealt with. Plywood, liquid nail and some gasoline does wonders
Otherwise I don’t give a flying fuck if them dudes shove potatoes up their ass to shit out french fires. Nothing them faggy hiv carrying looking fuckwads impacts my money or quality of life so 0fgs
“Alot of OMG’s just got divorce raped ,followed the plan and expect young men to do the same while pretending to have some secret life knowledge…” What’s this? The start of a half-assed syllogism? No it’s not secret knowledge, it’s straight up masculine knowledge that uncles and grandfathers and elder men used to dispense to 7 to 14 year old boys-to-men. And which got lost in a time of feminism. Just because feminism screwed the femininity out of women, doesn’t mean boys can’t grow up to be masculine men good at being men. Those RSD guys on the video dismissing… Read more »
“Worrying about what rsd does seems pretty bitch like to me.” Old Married Guys worrying that there son’s don’t grow up to be Puerarchs or weak-minded non-knowledgeable PUA’s (notice I didn’t say having PUA skills), or having a bunch of little PUA’s without strength courage mastery and honor among men marrying their daughters doesn’t seem bitch like to me. (With the disclaimer that Tyler from RSD, I believe from his teachings, does preach some semblance of these masculine tactical virtues for the sake of mimicking proper PUA form. And if men do actually learn from him, they will adopt masculine… Read more »
One of these days you’ll respond to comment instead of ranting about who knows what thats not related to my comment
lol Nothing those rsd fags say will impact The Ton Spawn.
I have never much worried about outside influences becuase my influence is stronger. That and I have never bought into that unconditional parental love bullshit.
“That and I have never bought into that unconditional parental love bullshit.” Nor should you. That’s the province of Mothers, not Fathers. A father’s job is to toughen up and engender discipline in his children. A mother’s job is to unconditionally love and nurture her children (but not without discipline). Without the Father, sons become feminized bonobos. Without the Father’s masculine guidance, daughters become masculinized because the Mom toughens her heart with that mom’s faux masculine discipline, so much as to never want to submit to men. These parenting roles are complimentary to each other and not at all similar.… Read more »
@Anon01 „Where do you get that from? Let’s say I am tyler or max. Then read all of the posts here, then become aware of the mra/mgtow topics(divorce, paternity etc). What of what they DO isn’t red pill?“ PUA in general is 100% Red Pill in the Alpha Fucks side of the coin. They know that 99% percent of AFCs out there are blue pill conditioned with the disney dream for their whole life, which fucks them (not in a way that is fun). They know that you have to transcend and overcome this through painfully unplugging and changing everything… Read more »
“PUA hacked the AF-side of things and thrives with getting sex” 90%+ fool’s mates. I’ve been reading the old boards that I can find. never heard of fool’s mate before. can’t believe it isn’t talked about more. take away alcohol and 90%+ of all SNLs never happen learning how to bed drunk women in under 7 hours will help a man to bed drunk women in under 7 hours. basically everything else he learns from that training will be fucking useless everywhere else in life. except maybe building a pua business as the fool, she hates herself. and as her… Read more »
You give women/ mothers way to much importance
“Suddenly dread-game, which was smoothly practiced using Jealousy Plotlines in the club and Spinning Plates reaches a whole new dimension, having to keep Hypergamy in check” 4-hour club “dread” has nothing to do with ltr dread. and in many ways, club game has nothing to do with relationship game. take away the alcohol, music, time constraints, etc and you’re left with two human beings. this is why early puas didn’t add fool’s mate lays to their count. because they don’t fucking count. people seem to think that the club is intimidating. “you gotta be baller alpha to approach those club… Read more »
“You give women/ mothers way to much importance”
yeah. that whole uterus/continuation of the species thing is totally overrated.
Agree with Trent Lane here. Why is everyone getting so defensive about what the RSD guys say about RP? They obviously don’t know much about it and are mouthing off (except maybe Tyler). If anything having Tyler recommend Rollos book on video will increase TRM visibility. As far as I can tell the end result was mostly that they all agreed that there were some valuable insights in RP but they were put off by some of the negativity and unpleasant energy around it. While the TRM comments are blessedly free of that for the most part, you only have… Read more »
@Ton “You give women/ mothers way to much importance” Perhaps in general. Not specifically with Anna Karenina Principled happy families. (Sorry for my solipsism. I’m surrounded by happy families including my opinion of my own.) Sentient made a prescient observation upstream. He stated something to the effect that his wife and children were possessions of his. In effect assets. Assets with something of value to him. Take more politically (feminine) correctly if were weren’t talking in a solely male space, it could also be said that my relationship with my wife is a valuable asset. To both me and to… Read more »
@CS ” – since when does charging for a service mean that the service provided isn’t valuable?” Since never. However, since when does providing a service for money mean that the service is actually valuable? There is a question of focus, what are they actually providing and why? Money inevitably shifts focus away from providing the actual service to collecting the money. That can be taken to the extreme of providing a false service to collect the money. The RSD guys attend a lot of “hot seats” and “boot camps” themselves. None of them have anything to do with pick… Read more »
@Ton You give women/ mothers way to much importance Mothers (and I had a very good mother) can really fuck up their kids. Otoh, my dad divorced my mom for another woman and lived overseas. Never around after the divorce. Before the divorce, he was always gone on trips. Hardly around before the divorce. Mom was always at home with us kids before the divorce. No other men prowling around. Dad owned that the divorce was all on him and he even implied that he made a big mistake divorcing Mom. So, I give Mom all the credit for rearing… Read more »
“Yes of course the free videos are leads to the paid products and services – so what?”
If the videos are leads to paid products and services that makes them: advertisements. So, for example, Downy might really be the best fabric softener on the market (I buy it),
but that doesn’t mean the following is a legitimate social interaction:
“But as soon as you leave the Alpha Fucks side of the coin…” …you are entering a lose/lose frame. The moment you focus on the other shit WRT relating to women in any sexual capacity, you begin to cede your freedom. You move from expansive energy to contracting energy. That is the dictionary definition of anti-masculine. I get that y’all will say, “But leadership tho, but having kids tho…”. But the cat’s out of the bag in 2017+. She won’t be faithful to you. We needed these constraints on feral female conduct. Now they’re *incentivized*. So you’re left raising children… Read more »
@kfg – c’mon man, you’re usually better than this. Of course a service isn’t automatically valuable just because it’s paid for. But I’m not saying that. I’m saying the inverse of that – that a service can be valuable and worth the money *even if* it is paid for (it isn’t *automatically* so, but it can be). In the case of RSD then, the question is: is the (paid for) service valuable? As noted previously I paid for a $200 Hotseat and found it valuable and worth the money. A decade ago I took a 3 day bootcamp (from Mystery… Read more »
And just to add – I’m a satisfied RSD customer, but I’m not blind to the fact that they are a business, and the profit motive (obviously) affects the overall mission of helping men. I totally see that they have to – because of business realities – cloak some red pill truths in blue pill soothing pablum (to avoid another scandal worse than the old Julien one), and that they are plainly expanding out of the PUA/Game market into the broader self-help market. These are constraints that Rollo – with his anonymity/pseudonymity and lack of profit motive obviously doesn’t have… Read more »
“@anon – actually “infomercials” is a better word, because most RSD videos are a mix of informational and promotional content. But in any event, the rest of your analogy makes no sense – unless you are suggesting the RSD infield content is fake….” The question isn’t whether or not it is “fake”….the question is, why wouldn’t it be fake? Or more likely a selected combination. It is in their interest to promote their product and it is AGAINST their interest to show something that doesn’t work. It’s also in their interest to save time (time is money) taking ten hours… Read more »
@CS: “But I’m not saying that. I’m saying the inverse of that –”
I understand perfectly. What I’m saying is that the inverse of what you are saying is both a relevant and necessary question in the same context. You cannot determine the personal and monetary value of a service by looking only at one end of the spectrum.
Prima: Are you sure this car is worth $100k?
Secundus: Well, Madam, who says it isn’t?
Prima: Oh, yeah, you’ve got a point. Here’s my money.
Does that look right to you?
The question isn’t whether or not it is “fake”….the question is, why wouldn’t it be fake? Yeah, all companies are trying to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge. Assuming that companies creating a product attempt to improve it and, at the same time, present it in the best light, I would expect to examine claims, but not assume that the product is “fake.” It’s also in their interest to save time (time is money) taking ten hours of work for 15 minutes of footage would seem kind of a waste of time. 1. People won’t want to sit watching ten hours… Read more »
A while back I wrote that men seem to be always looking for excuses to cede to outside forces/ideals/women in some fashion. A form of victimhood. Full on surrender in one direction or another. Joe’s comment above illustrates some of what I mean by men ceding masculine power because the big bad wimminz have fucked everything up by all being insatiable whores, and there’s nothing that can be done about that except to bang. I pose the question: are you a male or a female? Is there biology informing the majority of sexual interaction or not? If not, pua would… Read more »
@ fleezer The fools mate thing is very interesting. Personally I was never big on gaming chicks in bars and clubs under influence of music and alcohol. That’s like shooting fish in a barrel imo. I’ve witnessed hundreds of times, chicks getting ready to ” go out ” on weekends with the plan to get laid by accident. It just happened. I prefer they be in full control of their faculties so that I can get the most ” value ” out of my time with them. But if the endgame is only my penis in a hole, lol, it… Read more »
On the RP/manosphere industry…. Any topic/subject/industry that becomes a new business market goes thru the same cycles…. Pioneers create and introduce something of value. This is usually measured on the ability to monetize it and if successful, the new industry will begin its growth phase. The marketing creates awareness of their existence and also tries to establish some sort of differentiation and dominance with regards to any competitors. There is also going to be an in-rush of hucksters looking to cash in on an expanding market while consumers are still relatively ignorant. This is about where I see things right… Read more »
yeah. that whole uterus/continuation of the species thing is totally overrated
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You forgot great a feeding but that pretty much sums up their whole biological purpose. Most mothers are utter shit at the job of raising kids. I think that has always been true but can’t say for certain
The greatest abdication of masculine power is surrendering your sexual freedom to one woman. Not only does biology not preclude nurture/culture/peer group influences, biology itself compels women to fuck other men after a year or three. You can fall back on your ‘big bad wimminz boo hoo’ mockery, but it’s obviously a defense mechanism. There is no time but now. There’s a damn valid reason Rollo explicitly advises against marriage. See also: Chapter 11 of “Practical Female Psychology”. Update that to account for modern social media, modern judicial system, etc. You think you’re fighting the good fight, I just disagree.… Read more »
geez Joe, I’d be a nihilist too if I thought I had no say on my own destiny and happiness ceding power to women is a bad thing, and I’m totally on board with your thoughts there; but I would say learning the game and playing it well is isn’t the abdication of power, but the manifestation of it so that it works for you in a certain context engaging in any human social system could be tagged as ceding power, since you’re likely to restrain yourself from murdering the fry cook for an underdone patty or bitch slapping the… Read more »
Safety and security
@ Joe Lol. Do you actually believe that you lose your freedom because ‘ women ‘, or do you lose freedom because you decide to surrender? And are those the only 2 possible ways? No other alternative ever? Fuck marriage. Don’t start with that go to red herring. I’m talking about red pill knowledge and understanding and actions period.no defense mechanism strawmen needed. Facts are really stubborn things. You can’t have this both ways. I’d tell men that are deathly afraid of heights to 1) never try to scale Everest, and 2) it’s not Everest’s fault. Either learn how mountaineers… Read more »
@Trent Lane “Like the now 26 year old PUA instructor who wants to „settle down“ some day and „have children“ with his quality girl … he might be in for some rough realizations.” If you look what they ALL DO, which they are pretty transparent with, which one of them has done something like that? None of them? “Red Pill isn‘t (yet)[an industry]” It has already monetized a lot of its content, so technically it is. (nothing wrong with that btw, I don’t post from Cuba) – – – – – – – – – – – – – –… Read more »
“If you look what they ALL DO, which they are pretty transparent with, which one of them has done something like that? None of them?”
Correction: I meant the rsd dudes thus far, not every pua ever. lol
@ Dr Z
There are different levels in Game. One of the problems I’ve always detected in ‘ teaching ‘ game, is that men seem to have a harder time developing beyond whatever biases or bad feelz they start with.
They cannot learn about gray areas and can’t grasp natural opportunity not all guys mind you, but many seem to follow this pattern.
That’s not true game at all. It almost seems like it needs a different descriptor.
Its like the difference between a 10 HP go kart race and formula one. Levels. Mastery. Understanding.
Hey Joe “The greatest abdication of masculine power is surrendering your sexual freedom to one woman.” LOL That depends on your narrow definition of masculine power and doesn’t reflect what every man’s purpose and mission for himself is. Self discipline is not necessarily self suppression. Suppression is when you resist and fight against your desires, keeping them buried and unexpressed as possible. Self discipline is when your highest desires rule your lesser desires, and not necessarily through resistance. No one’s arguing for you to be monogamous. And you shouldn’t be making blanket statements for men that don’t have motive for… Read more »
Fucking drunk girls is fun. Esp if they are not in for LTR. Not so much like shooting fish in a barrel, more like putting lube on for anal… If lube is good for attacking the rear, etOH is great lube for the mind. The timid girl who couldnt get the guts to say hi to you will get the guts of a porn star, strip dancing and spreading her ass in front of your/her phone camera. I think most girls were told by their mothers not to be so friendly with strangers. They need the etOH. I did not… Read more »
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/6p1yvs/97_yearold_canadian_veteran_and_his_thoughts/?ref=share&ref_source=link
@Blaximus Lol. Do you actually believe that you lose your freedom because ‘ women ‘, or do you lose freedom because you decide to surrender? And are those the only 2 possible ways? No other alternative ever? One of the problems I’ve always detected in ‘ teaching ‘ game, is that men seem to have a harder time developing beyond whatever biases or bad feelz they start with. Levels. Mastery. Understanding. Related to what you are saying, in Reality Transurfing, there is a concept of holding too much importance to pedulums. Pendulums in this reference are like the code (or… Read more »
blax – I should not have used the word ‘game’ and had second thoughts on it; by ‘learning/playing the game’ I meant it more like you described (not specifically RP/PUA/etc) and if I may re-state…. in getting what you want as a man, learning the ins-and-outs of whatever it is you’re trying to master is part, but not all of a winning approach; call it learning the rules or understanding what the fuck is going on, but don’t call it caving in and ceding power; to this hard set of realities you must add whatever you can personally bring to… Read more »
The great thing about being a nihilist is that you get to create your own meanings and motivations behind the how, what, and why of your life. If you consider having no-strings sex and non-exclusive relationships with women to be ‘hiding’ or ‘surrendering’, I call bullshit. You’re denying your true nature, fellas. The moment you agree to monogamy is the moment her attraction level for you goes the way of a dotcom bubble stock. Women are psychopaths (AKA following their basest evolutionary impulses with no consequences in today’s world), but even in spite of this they’re great for no-strings sex… Read more »
“The great thing about being a nihilist is that you get to create your own meanings and motivations behind the how, what, and why of your life.”
You and Andy should get a room.
Yareally was excellent at talking about pua stuff and rsd videos. Other facets eluded him because he was terrified of getting hurtz. ‘ all women are psychopaths ‘????? That makes sense. Sure. Any man that thinks any woman can affect and/or determine a Man’s masculinity… Well… I don’t know what to tell ya that isn’t already apparent. Big. Bad. Wimminz. Its not them… So before I jettison this standard convo, I’ll just remind men that there’s more to understanding masculinity and sexual natures than getting pussy and then running for your life like a male black widow spider or praying… Read more »
@Joe
If you consider having no-strings sex and non-exclusive relationships with women to be ‘hiding’ or ‘surrendering’, I call bullshit.
But SJF wasn’t saying that and you are pulling a YaReally by putting your own words in SJF’s mouth. Really bad behavior. That pisses people off. Don’t be an ass.
Hey Joe Now you are just trolling the blog. This blog is about Red Pill Awareness. Do you actually read Rollo? What are you selling? Nihilism? Good luck with that! How much do you charge for your seminars? The great thing about being a nihilist is that you get to create your own meanings and motivations behind the how, what, and why of your life. This just in: You don’t need to be a nihilist to do that. When you got nothing to lose you can also borrow a poorly behaving pit bull canine and harbor it. YGBFSM! If you… Read more »
@Joe If you consider having no-strings sex and non-exclusive relationships with women to be ‘hiding’ or ‘surrendering’, I call bullshit. But SJF wasn’t saying that and you are pulling a YaReally by putting your own words in SJF’s mouth. Really bad behavior. That pisses people off. Don’t be an ass. Hey Joe, You forgot about the part that the only pursuit and passion a man should only ever have is to spin plates with HB8+ <25 y.o. club women, with hot sex on the regular. Everything else does not matter. When you got nothing else in your nihilism paradigm, you… Read more »
@SJF
Let me get this straight,you don’t ride a motorcycle because you are getting to much sex already, right?
A motorcycle enthusiast needs a bike and no mater what she says her desire will go up when you ride your scooter.
he sang like an angel
he screamed like an demon
he died a legend
http://chester.linkinpark.com/
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/22/opinions/chester-bennington-sex-abuse-opinion-cook/index.html
he sang like an angel
he screamed like an demon
he died a legend
http://cnn.it/2um5ITh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQLCjD8fj9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7QcpCzsDB4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feo24cVzV_0I'm looking at you through the glass Don’t know how much time has passed Oh God, it feels like forever But no one ever tells you that forever feels like home Sitting all alone inside your head ‘Cause I’m looking at you through the glass Don’t know how much time has passed All I know is that it feels like forever When no one ever tells you that forever feels like home Sitting all alone inside your head How do you feel? That is the question But I forget, you don’t expect an easy answer When something like… Read more »
What is single best book in manosphere on amused mastery? I was searching google hoping to find 250 page book with “Amused Mastery” as title by Rollo. But only found lots of blog posts from various writers of questionable quality.
@fact_comment, you don’t need a book:
https://therationalmale.com/2012/09/14/amused-mastery/
@ Stuff It’s not self supression on my part. It’s self discipline. I’ve had a lot to lose in a motorcyle injury every since I had a thrill riding one in 1979. I almost bought one then. I had no money then and saw a Honda 550 Four for sale at the Salvation Army store for $500. Too bad my student loan college check didn’t come in for another week. By the time I high-tailed it back, it was gone. I chose not to get a motorcyle for the last 37 years. Consciously, while having plenty of other life and… Read more »
@SJF
My sentiments would be otherwise if I started riding 37 years ago. It never happened that way.
The Road Not Taken, by Robert Frost, middle stanza
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMdvFgNgwSU “Death is always on the way, but the fact that you don’t know when it will arrive seems to take away from the finiteness of life. It’s that terrible precision that we hate so much. But because we don’t know, we get to think of life as an inexhaustible well. Yet everything happens a certain number of times, and a very small number, really. How many more times will you remember a certain afternoon of your childhood, some afternoon that’s so deeply a part of your being that you can’t even conceive of your life without it? Perhaps four… Read more »
Good one ASDGamer,
The fact that I had an infinite number of choices to choose from, from the actions I got to take, leads me to not even fucking need to tell that with a sigh.
Life is beautiful for those old Antifragile guys that didn’t take the nihilist road.
Can’t imagine you have anymore on your plate then I have yet I ride nearly every day
It’s a choice. Own the choice and don’t try to justify it
Back in November of last year I explained in no uncertain terms that RSD had made a large scale paradigm shift away from their core material of infield PUA education and toward a new ‘power of positive thinking’ Tony Robbins profit model. I got run up the flagpole for suggesting that in order for RSD to successfully pull this messaging change of they would need to paint TRP as negative and anger-ridden. Since then I have been proven correct in that assertion in at least 5 separate RSD videos. Over this time I have had personal emails with Owen stating… Read more »
@SJ I started late at 12yo riding dirtbikes and trick bmx. When my son was born I had an old 900 custom hard tail chopper twisted crome 1/2 moon springer,coffin tank from the drag bars to the solo seat,she was 11ft long tread to tread. I did what you are doing and sold it ,didn’t own another bike till my youngest got independent.Now it’s just the wife and I and I ride when I feel like it she will come along sometimes. My oldest daughter bought us tickets to the pikes peak bike week at ppir for fathers day,got to… Read more »
“It’s a choice. Own the choice and don’t try to justify it” The exact fucking point I have been making for two years here, including in the great debates of 2016. Fork in the road anyone? No justification for taking it? Bueller? Bueller? I have gotten my dopamine without having rode. It’s an option. And a choice. It’s sitting right out there in the infinite space of variations. (the justification was an inside joke on how the wife is a good lay, and my professional success, and the great cash flow that brings as well as the fact that I’m… Read more »
@Rollo
Never watched the gigler vid,IMO either one can read and listen to learn or find out the hard way.
Can’t use the contempt prior to investigation as they are conducting an investigation of sorts and the waters are already charted. Reminds me of kids turning off the lights so they can bump into each other in the dark.
You called it.
“if you change your mind ride responsible” Precisely why I haven’t jumped on a bike yet. Circumstances haven’t dictated that responsibleness yet. You know the one thing that never bothered me ever was responsibility or Burden of Performance. And, shit. No one ever sent me the memo that there were uncomfortable truths in TRP. Perhaps one of these days I’ll ride when I’m either less responsible (not that you pro-riders are) or more nihilistic, or seeking an overdose of dopamine. I’m joking, of course. I’m jealous and respect guys who bike. Big time. Bucket list fantasy for me. But no… Read more »
@Rollo
RSD isn’t concerned with validating TRP or some cooperative co-branding because they know that the truths TRP and TRM reveal run counter to their positivity mindset profit model.
I agree. RSD doesn’t get my endorsement for their woo-woo nonsense. In my opinion, their woo-woo profit model has hurt their brand. They have turned anti-RP, as you pointed out. Some of their infield vids can be quite helpful, of course. Baby and bathwater.
There’s far more money to be made in their ignorance and selling them on being able to make their BP Disney idealisms a reality via PUA and Game without any regard for the discomforting truths the Red Pill would make them aware of.
Except teaching PUA is itself a Red Pill act based on Red Pill truths. Very discordant. Approaching a woman, demostrating high value, and watching the dominos fall is as redpill as it gets. The end result of PUA activity is p in v.
@cheupez
The end result of PUA activity is p in v.
No, the end result is having to Next the girl because your game sucks. PUAs think that game ends with p in v. Not so.
@theasdgamer
Yes teach them how to dance circles around the girls and go home with the bluest of balls
“RSD cannot affirm or validate TRP because its profit model is dependent on Blue Pill chumps staying ignorant of RP awareness” I cannot find a single clip where they decry monogamy, because (ostensibly) they believe that would hurt their profit model – by dissuading blue pill leads that their fantasies are false from the get-go. So yeah, Rollo – you’re definitely speaking the truth there. But if you read between the lines, particularly with Julien’s stuff – it’s pretty fuckin’ clear that he would never consent to monogamy with any chick, ever. As an objective observer, you always have to… Read more »
@mersonia
go troll somewhere else
@Joe K the illogical nihilist
It’s actually bullshit for anyone here to bash him, bc he’s put himself out there publicly, been the ‘most hated man in the world’, dealt with death threats etc, and come out stronger despite the metaphorical ‘face tattoos’ following him around for the rest of his fuckin’ life. Who among you has put yourself through that kind of trial-by-fire?
Ad hominem fallacy. Has he been married? No? Then he doesn’t know shit. (Just illustrating the ad hominem fallacy from a married perspective.)
@theasdgamer “PUAs think that game ends with p in v.” If only there was a search machine that you could use on the internet. – – – – – – – – @Joe K (AKA the nihilist) “I cannot find a single clip where they decry monogamy…” //s.imgur.com/min/embed.js There are a lot of rsd youtube videos on relationships. Although I’ve watched only one, I assume the rest of them have the same suggestions with their paid content. In there, they pretty much say the same stuff you are going to read here, without using terms like dread, burden of performance… Read more »
Correction:
@Joe K (AKA the nihilist)
“I cannot find a single clip where they decry monogamy…”
http://imgur.com/ySZN5FM
“Who among you has put yourself through that kind of trial-by-fire?”
Swiss pick up artist who likes to live dangerously.
Seems like a punchline.
Pretty sure there are folks here who have seen more action than that.
Q: What’s more boring that a Swiss pickup artist?
A: A nihilist
Q: What’s more irritating than a bedbug enema?
A: A nihilist
“if you change your mind ride responsible” “Precisely why I haven’t jumped on a bike yet.” Hehe, I did this this year at 58, after years and years of swearing I’d never do it. It’s both exhilarating and fucking scary at the same time. It was never a bucket list thing – just my mind changing as I swallowed the RP. But honestly, i don’t know how long I’ll continue riding. I personally think if you haven’t been bitten to ride at an early age then the rush of riding is never fully developed. So starting riding at a late… Read more »
Lots of feminine (distraction or emotional) argumentation from the YSGs. Is there material here for a post from Rollo? Does one’s argumentation style show a lack of masculinity and game? Why does feminine-style argumentation work–especially with YSGs? It shouldn’t work with men. Is that due to the FI’s influence or is it biological?
Hmm…
@anon01
“PUAs think that game ends with p in v.”
If only there was a search machine that you could use on the internet.
You might have considered the audience…mersonia, Joe K, and the like…of course RSD is catering to Blue Pill fantasies. There are other RSD vids besides the one you linked. At best, you could say that RSD is purple pill. Like Aunt Susan or the like.
Why doesn’t Rollo want to cash in on the RP? Think it might get diluted by investors like RSD and other manospherian sites have?
@theasdgamer
You are one google search away from discovering that your “PUAs think that game ends with p in v.” claim is retarded. Unfortunatelly, google searches must be feminine, too.
@Anon01
Work on your reading comprehension.
@Rollo Another post idea…I’ve been pondering what type of relationship works best with a woman…treat her like one of the children?…lord/vassal relationship?…captain/1st mate? Should a woman be expected to stay at home to give hypergamy less freedom to roam? Should a woman provide resources? Vassals provide resources to their lords in exchange for protection. Should women be in charge of the home and the men in charge of the women? That’s kind of captain/1st mate. And what about social media? Should we view young women who are addicted to social media as junkies? How do men in LTRs handle that?… Read more »
“Life is beautiful for those old Antifragile guys that didn’t take the nihilist road.”
@SJF
You’re not a nihilist, so what gives you meaning and purpose? Please answer without quoting anyone. Also, please don’t try and convince me of anything. I just want to hear what gives you meaning and purpose.
@Joe K “It took me working through a lot of denial and resistance myself since a year ago when I hit rock bottom, but around February I was ready to listen and half a year later I have to say he’s changed my life for the better. It’s actually bullshit for anyone here to bash him, bc he’s put himself out there publicly, been the ‘most hated man in the world’, dealt with death threats etc, and come out stronger despite the metaphorical ‘face tattoos’ following him around for the rest of his fuckin’ life. Who among you has put… Read more »
@Andy As you know by my former ramblings over Myers-Briggs that I’m an idealist. I have high aspirations and a purpose and a mission in my pursuits in life. I was brought up in a balanced (no crazy) family with a good mother and father and three brothers. We were UMC and went to good schools, played competitive sports. Despite my autistic traits I was very good at sports and very good at socializing with girls in high school and college. I was knowledge hound. I read and learned tons of things on my own including a huge number of… Read more »
@SJF
Good. thanks. So basically improving the relationship to it’s best possible state? What’s next?
I just don’t get the allure. I still wouldn’t mind certain experiences.. but I know that the end result is, like you say… Dopamine release followed by… meh.
That being said I wouldn’t say I’m a nihilist right now… Right now my purpose is killing my ego/spiritual growth/being who I really am.
“Good. thanks. So basically improving the relationship to it’s best possible state? What’s next? I just don’t get the allure. I still wouldn’t mind certain experiences.. but I know that the end result is, like you say… Dopamine release followed by… meh.” If you say Dopamine release followed by….meh, then that is analogous to the addiction study of how the brain works normally. (The Marc Lewis stuff). The answer to that is the nine other things that bring dopamine rather than the just one. If you wanted to kick cocaine, you would do a workaround to have nine other dopamine… Read more »
Just responding to Rollo’s requests for Red Pill awakening experiences. I agree with using Rollo’s words as a “safety net”. I took the Red Pill before it was even known as the Red Pill when my best friend and I signed up to So Suave in about 2009. That’s where I first got introduced to Rollo’s work (and scores of others). I couldn’t believe what I was reading and rejected Game until my more assertive mate showed me that it works. Since then, I’ve rarely gone longer than three or four months without a new woman to bang (when I… Read more »