Kill Your Idols

The Family Alpha had a motivational post about getting over a past lover this week.

https://thefamilyalpha.com/2017/06/09/getting-over-your-relationship-ptsd-pt-ii-give-love-one-more-chance/

I thought this was a reasonably good post. My only reservation (and this is no reflection on TFA) is I’m seeing a lot of “get back on the horse and ride” positivity attempts to replace rational understanding of intersexual dynamics when it comes to men’s bad experiences with women or break ups in the Manosphere these days. I’m not saying that “steel sharpening steel” encouragement or a sharp kick in the ass isn’t helpful for these men. Lord knows I’m apt to do just that myself with what I’ve been writing for over a decade, but it’s my view that understanding the mechanics of why that experience happened, and learning about women and oneself is vital to a man’s personal development.

It’s not enough to say ‘sack up, go lift and get over it’; a man’s got to learn from that pain, go through the process of developing insight from what Red Pill awareness shows him about it and grow from it. Yes, men can dwell on it and let it consume them or they can utilize those feelings to motivate them to understanding how they came to be in these circumstances. I don’t think I’m exaggerating here when I say that the most common way most men come to my blog (or any number of other Red Pill blogs) or the Manosphere proper is as the result of going through a traumatic breakup.

I’ve mentioned this in many prior posts that, unfortunately, the time men are most receptive to Red Pill awareness comes when they’re experiencing the loss of a lover whom they believed was a key goal of their Blue Pill idealism. Their “perfect” Blue Pill world was destroyed for them, but more importantly their ego-investments in that world reached a point that Red Pill reality would no longer sustain for him. It’s at this juncture men seek out the Red Pill community. Some of the most common search terms The Rational Male blog gets linked to are phrases like “How do I get my girlfriend back?” and “How do I get over an Ex?”

While I can empathize with men in such circumstance, I also recognize that men need to Kill the Beta before it kills them. A lot of guys reeling from having the Blue Pill rug pulled out from under them resort to either suicide, self-improvement or a long-term dwelling upon what they believe was a loss they will never be able to replace. And even after the acceptance of that loss becomes normalcy for him, his subconscious still wont allow him to move on – even when he thinks he has.

Studies have shown that while women may take a breakup the hardest (generally, only when they’re the ones being dumped) it is men who suffer more in the long term, and, because of men’s mental firmware and differing sexual strategy, may never truly get over it:

But men are more “competitive” in their approach, meaning the loss of a woman they see as a good catch could be deeply felt for months or even years.

Anyone familiar with my essay War Brides, understands the evolutionary reasoning behind why women have an ability to move on after a breakup so much quicker than men. However, much of men’s inability to let go is dependent upon his investment in his Blue Pill conditioning; that and how his subconscious believes in where he fits in a sexual marketplace founded on Blue Pill idealism:

“The man will likely feel the loss deeply and for a very long period of time as it sinks in that he must start competing all over again to replace what he has lost – or worse still, come to the realization that the loss is irreplaceable,” says Morris.

And because women have more to lose by choosing the wrong partner, they are also more likely to pull the plug on a relationship – with 70% of divorces in the US filed by women.

Kill Your Idols

This only reinforces my stance on Blue Pill men investing themselves in the fallacy of Relational Equity. One reason men have such trouble getting over a previous lover is because Blue Pill conditioning predisposes men to idolize women on whole, while their old books perspective fosters the idea that their investment in the relationship should be what sustains it – rather than accepting the cold, harsh reality of Hypergamy.

TFA writes:

Many men have given the power over their inner-self entirely to the women of their lives. They let their ex-relationships dictate their future relationships, trying to do the opposite of before or they’ll fall into the same routine ultimately leading to a love life filled with redundancy without progress.

You need to break the cycle.

Married men, divorced men, guys coming out of a shitty LTR, and even the men who had a plate cheat on them thus scarring their soul permanently are not acting in accordance with their masculine self if they’re basing decisions off how they can avoid heartache again.

This is good advice, but I think one of the mistakes Blue Pill men make when they exit (or are ejected from) a relationship is that they see a relationship as the only legitimate form of intersexual dynamics. Once a man unplugs, for better or worse, that idolization, the giving over power of self to the Feminine has to be dispelled – but not at the expense of a full understanding of the Red Pill awareness that brings him to unplugging in the first place.

Most men, the largely 80% Beta majority, are conditioned to be serial monogamists. They are taught to identify with the feminine to the point that only what he believes women’s (old books) sexual prioritization should be is correct and valid for himself. A lot of well-meaning Red Pill men think monogamy is the only rational decision to break the cycle.

One of the maxims of the Manosphere is that the best way to get over a woman is to go fuck 20 more before you consider monogamy with another one. This advice actually makes, an albeit simplistic, sense in that the best way to avoid ONEitis is to Spin Plates. Usually, that’s what a bad Blue Pill rejection amounts to; a losing of the best thing that Beta has ever had in terms of sexual access. The Blue Pill conditioned mindset predisposes men to a scarcity mentality and it does so by training men to believe that exclusive monogamy is the only meaningful condition in which a sexual, intimate relationship can take place for him.

So, stemming from this scarcity mentality, we get generations of preconditioned Betas latching on to self-induced ONEitis-prone relationships. Thus, you get pitiable Beta men just this side of suicidal over average HB 5-6 women. I would argue that the reason we see such a preponderance of men bemoaning their post-rejection state (suicide or self-pity) is directly attributable to Blue Pill conditioning and then taking it from there.

Telling this post-rejection Beta, who thought he’d had his Blue Pill dreams come true, that he ought to Spin Plates, fuck 20 women and go lift is like speaking a foreign language to him. His Blue Pill mindset can’t comprehend it, at least at first. Getting past this state of shock usually involves despair, anger, disillusionment – he’s as likely to fight you for being misogynist as he is to fall apart in tears – but as I’ve always said, unplugging guys from the Matrix is dirty work.

Now, just for sake of comparison here, it should be noted that if we go by the Pareto Principle and presume 80% of men are Betas and 20% are some shade of Alpha, we’ll see the dynamics for a breakup change accordingly. I would argue that for the 80% of Beta men, they are the ones women are breaking up with. And the logic of women’s sexual strategy would also suggest that if a woman perceives her mate to be 1-2 steps in SMV above herself she would be less (if at all) inclined to initiate a breakup with a guy she sees as Alpha. Thus, the more Alpha a man, the less prone to ONEitis and lingering post-breakup psychosis he’ll be.

Doing the Work – Pre vs. Post Unplugging

Recently there’s been a push to paint Red Pill aware men as bitter guys who get stuck in the anger phase of unplugging. No doubt this can happen, and considering the mass effect of Blue Pill conditioning in men it’s easy to see how it happens for them. For the larger part I concur with what The Family Alpha is suggesting here; for both psychological and personal reasons it can be all too easy for men to get stuck dwelling on an experience with one woman and then transferring that anger and regret to a self-limiting outlook that holds him back from interacting with women. I imagine some of my MGTOW readers see this as being pragmatic, but as with everything for men, isolation is dangerous.

On the other hand, however, I still think we need to guard against falling into the trap of thinking that a man’s holding onto his Blue Pill regrets, or transferring that pain to a real misogyny means that fundamental Red Pill awareness is the source of his self-limitations. The point of Red Pill awareness isn’t to make a man ‘hate’ women, but rather to inform him of women’s nature so he wont hate what he’d never expect from women.

I really think there are two opposing sides that evolved from Red Pill awareness. On one extreme we have hardline MGTOW men wanting to remove themselves wholesale from interacting with women – largely because of their Red Pill awareness. And on the other we’ve got the Positive Mindset brokers believing that Red Pill awareness leads to the anger and resentment that causes men to limit themselves with women.

In the middle of this we have men who’ve found a new balance in their lives because they became Red Pill aware and created a new, healthier paradigm for themselves with it. It becomes a game of exaggerated nihilism vs. exaggerated optimism, but in the middle we have to find a healthy pragmatism in how we will use this awareness to redefine ourselves. It appears to me that at either extreme there comes a limiting of just how much Red Pill awareness either set is willing to embrace.

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Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Feminist warning signs – funhouse mirror of Alpha

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/feminist-woman-on-a-first-date/

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
4 years ago

@AR Priceless. This is my favorite: “2. Would He Change His Name When He Gets Married? This is an intentional curveball. Most conversations about name changing center on women deciding to conform to gender norms around marriage or pushing against them. A question about him changing names omits that focus on women altogether, pushing him to consider not only how important those traditions are to him, but how much he’s willing to defy them. Call this the “ally versus accomplice” test. And watch his response carefully. If he scoffs at the idea or explicitly says he would never marry a woman who wouldn’t… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“2. Would He Change His Name When He Gets Married?”

Oh man, would I? With a name like Harvey Moosebreath I think it’s pretty obvious I’d jump at the chance.

I’d go with George.

John the Miner
John the Miner
4 years ago

“I’d go with George”

Hugh Mungus. That name makes feminists go insane.

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
4 years ago

So does Mike Hock.

Or, for her benefit per the discussion, the more formal S. Mike Hock.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

If he scoffs at the idea or explicitly says he would never marry a woman who wouldn’t take his name, you might have a problem on your hands. In particular, a guy who tells you that he has strict rules about traditional gender roles is telling you exactly who he’ll be in your relationship. one night at my then GFs apartment she was talking to her roomate and they were discussing whether they would keep their names or not when married and I overheard this and just burst out laughing. She was feigning indignation at my chortle… I just said… Read more »

anon
anon
4 years ago

“I’d go with George.”

I hope you aren’t set on that one.
‘Cause Bernie Moosebreath has a nice ring to it.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . Bernie Moosebreath has a nice ring to it.”

That’s grandaddy Moosebreath, so middle name. Gee Bernie, Moosebreath has a nice exclamative ring to it though.

anon
anon
4 years ago

😀
I did know someone who changed his name to Harold, and his last name was pronounced “toe”. Making him Harry Toe.
He was Asian. He didn’t and he wanted a more American sounding name, so he asked for suggestions.
I’ve always felt a little bad about that one.
(just kidding, it wasn’t my suggestion…but the name is real)

anon01
anon01
4 years ago

“Why I Can’t Say Yes To Sex” https://aellagirl.com/2016/08/20/342/

Interesting view on ASD from a chick’s perspective.

anon
anon
4 years ago

Interesting view on ASD from a chick who wants men to Skype her so she can make money perspective.
FIFY
(100 bucks for 15 minutes? Holy crap)

Blaximus
4 years ago

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Blaximus
4 years ago

Lmfao –

Real Life Date!
3 hours 30 minutes @ $2000.00

Meet up with me for 3-4 hours of dinner, drinks, and any other romantic activity – a walk through the park, seeing a movie, or going to a museum.
This is a seriously, strictly, no-sex activity.
Please book at least 1 week in advance. I will only meet in the general Boston area.

anon
anon
4 years ago

She’s horny and waiting…so horny she’s masturbating with household objects!
She REALLY wants to fuck.
If it wasn’t for that deeply ingrained ASD keeping her dissatisfied and her “pussy empty”.

CSI
CSI
4 years ago

‘“Why I Can’t Say Yes To Sex” https://aellagirl.com/2016/08/20/342/ Interesting view on ASD from a chick’s perspective.’ What is “ASD”? What I’m seeing here is choice paralysis, as I think its called. This is messed up. I’m sure this woman is an extreme example, but is this sort of thinking common among women? This is messed up. I see how traditional marriage might actually be better than current egalitarian marriage in a way. If she feels she should have sex with her husband because society/god/the pope says she has to, that reduces the feeling of choice and the subsequent anxiety. “(100… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
anon01
anon01
4 years ago

LOL tbh I only read her post. Didn’t even notice the rest of the blog. FWIW saying “no-sex activity” is making it legal. If she “just happened” to fuck a dude who gave her money for no-sex companion, it’s not prostitution. At least, that’s how those ads work in my country. Not that I would be surprised if some people actually paid major buck for not having sex with an average chick. As Blaximus wrote… “THIRST.” Leaving the beta bucks side of her hypergamy aside, the guys who are “good at triggering the primal side” of her(alpha impression), will have… Read more »

Blaximus
4 years ago

ASD = Anti-Slut Defense. Don’t want ya to think they’re just a random slut. When I was a young teen, I didn’t give much of a shit that chicks would use my nature against me. Then after a while, I was incensed by the fact that some would indeed try to use my nature against me, as if they saw it as a weakness. A soft spot to take advantage of me. Then after a while, I went back to not giving a shit again. It is what it is. Been reading a little bit of this Aella Girl’s shit… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

lol when I was a kid I wasn’t allowed to hit girls so when they pissed me off I would monkey stomp their nearest male kin. Sometimes that required force multipliers like the lunch tray and chairs at the school’s mess hall but round about 6th garde girls stopped trying to pull bullshit on me and none of them held agisnt me as we got older

CSI
CSI
4 years ago

Of course “ASD” is anti-slut defense. I accidentally pasted “this is messed up” twice, but it is when she has to engage in rape roleplay to break through her choice paralysis and have sex.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Porsche wins 2017 Le Mans this past weekend…

https://www.videodetective.com/embed/video/?publishedid=426903

A guy who loved it…

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“…a man’s got to learn from that pain, go through the process of developing insight from what Red Pill awareness shows him about it and grow from it.” IMO “Go fuck another women” is facile, as the troubled man hasn’t learned a pathway to light. “Most men, the largely 80% Beta majority, are conditioned to be serial monogamists.” Autodidactically monogamous, but since my time here, Mrs. Eh’s #1 comfort test is this: “I don’t trust you/If you leave you’re never coming back/I see how you talk to other women.” I don’t have to cheat, she just has to think I… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“…when I was a kid I wasn’t allowed to hit girls”

I was the youngest of 5, three sisters, 5+ years my senior…one would kneel on my arms and spit on my face. I don’t recall ever hitting them, but I would push them around, once I was old enough, and did slap a girl down as a young teen. Not proud of it, just poor coping mechanisms, no game.

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
4 years ago

Good JP video Rugby.

“Insistence that the highest moral virtue for a modern man is harmlessness. Women don’t even like harmless men, they hate them.”

The five most desirable categories of male entity used most broadly in female pornography (internet study by google engineers):

– Vampire
– Werewolf
– Billionaire
– Surgeon
– Pirate

Agent P
Agent P
4 years ago

Jordan Peterson just keeps hitting it out of the park. The other day I gave his latest interview with Joe Rogan two full viewings. Even at 3 hours long it was an easy listen. It’s like he found a whole factory of red pills and swam in them at length. His command of history, sociology, sexual dynamics, the whole lot of it is remarkable. I just love how he can lay waste to SJW antics and thought silos with his broad and commanding knowledge. I would love to hear him for an hour with Rollo on a call. The guy… Read more »

pinelero
pinelero
4 years ago

The blog cover photo is the same statue that the cardinals lusted after in the HBO series “The Young Pope”. My idolatry of pussy ended with my first marriage.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Rugby

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVeOgzBAtzG/?taken-by=gal_gadot

Shots fired… man about to go down….

Ratio of her pics on his site to his pics on her site? Not favorable…

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Sentient:

I showed that movie to my ex-footballer friend, who didn’t give a crap about auto racing, and he was blown away at the simple beauty of it.

For those who haven’t seen it yet, it is a fictionalized account of Porsche’s first overall win at Le Mans (which goes a bit toward explaining the only line in the movie that rings a bit oddly).

And you should probably see it, it isn’t your typical sports movie, it’s a “film.”

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Oh yeah, and it’s very Red Pill.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

T-shirt beta tell. She doesn’t need any more flattery. “Idealization of Gender – This is the myth of the “Quality Woman.” The buffer operates in perceived self-limitations based on a search for an ideal mate. Thus a tendency to fixate on one woman (ONEitis) or one type of woman (a gender Archetype) develops. By limiting to, and/or fixating on one woman (or type) the potential for rejection decreases, while insuring that any real rejection will come only from what will later be deemed non-qualified women. Rejection = ‘Low Quality Woman’ and is thus disqualified. This works in a similar fashion… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

kfg

The movie about the movie is pretty good too.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Rollo You really didn’t answer Limitless’ point about Red Pill men being hamstrung by oxytocin addiction to a particular woman’s face. @Limitless I think that there are strategies to deal with that addiction, including: 1. Nexting a woman (if her face is your drug and you want to kick the addiction, avoid her face) 2. Spinning several plates…I know from experience that this is very helpful since multiple women will occupy your thoughts rather than just one 3. Automatically ending all relationships after a predefined period of time 4. Realizing that your feelings for a woman are due to your… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
4 years ago

“You really didn’t answer Limitless’ point about Red Pill men being hamstrung by oxytocin addiction to a particular woman’s face.”

you’re not looking at the mantle piece when you’re poking the fire!

HowlingManTodd
HowlingManTodd
4 years ago
theasdgamer
4 years ago

lol, I delusionally screwed up Mencken’s quotation

@Agent P

nice play on words…won’t you want to hang around and enjoy the fire’s warmth and the beauty of the room after you’ve poked the fire?

Keith
Keith
4 years ago

Happy belated Father’s Day to all y’all that didn’t wear a rubber or didn’t pull out fast enough ! All us bastards thank you ! And all them baby’s moms thanks you for the extra income. As far as the OP give love a chance I ant falling for that shit again.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Killing your idols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yByPrBmbOzk

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
4 years ago

I saw a documentary about the carved figurine used as the blog photo. I forget why it had no face, but the idea was that early man was excited by super exaggerated breast, hips, buttocks, waist, thighs, and mons. It is kind of ironic that this figure is now pretty standard in the US with rampant obesity.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Rollo I think that the PUA definition of ASD is a real thing and that ASD as defined by PUA is an involuntary reaction to fast spiking of BT through direct game which is accompanied by high levels of cortisol…giving comfort reduces those levels of cortisol and indirect game typically doesn’t have a problem with cortisol production as a result of spiking the BT since the woman perceives herself as the sexual aggressor instead of prey. So, direct game requires careful management of comfort and BT spikes. It seems that you define ASD as a voluntary–cortex-mediated mechanism since you see… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Agent P

you’re not looking at the mantle piece when you’re poking the fire!

I’m not sure everyone understood that you were making a joke rather than formulating an answer to the problem I set.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“I forget why it had no face . . .” Because nobody knows, or why it has no feet either (they aren’t just broken off), or what it was for. But most of all, why the type of figurine it is merely one example of persisted in culture for tens of thousands of years, across an ice age, and spread across the northern Eurasian plain. And there are both fat and skinny types from the same area (and a few with faces to add to the puzzle), something you aren’t going to hear from the fat positive feminists: http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/SCIENCE/Siberian-Venuses/inside_two.jpg The… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Far be it from me to speculate on anthropology with KFG, but back in the paleolithic era, life was short and brutal for women. Lots of trying to get fat because of the hunter gatherer shortage of provisions and cold climate. In addition to a short life expectancy, prehistoric women seemed to have suffered an increased risk of death during their 20s. This finding may reflect mortality associated with pregnancy and childbirth. It takes little imagination to see the similarities (albeit exaggerated) between the Venus and a pregnant woman. Although admittedly speculation, the Venus of Willendorf may have been used… Read more »

cheupez
4 years ago

Why I Can’t Say Yes To Sex” https://aellagirl.com/2016/08/20/342/
A girl talking about “Chad McMuscles” and “sexually superior movie star type”? Sounds to me like a girl who has been spending too much time on the redpill reddit.

Which brings up the question: If women are truly naturals, that they know not why they do what they do but know how to do it anyway; what becomes of men when enough of the women have been to the redpill locker room mirror?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“that they know not why they do what they do but know how to do it anyway”

They don’t know how to hack-proof their internal processor though. They rely too much on instinct. Not caring how things work, just wanting it to work makes them the lesser creature. “Honey, the toilet’s leaking!”

RP women is an oxymoron. With an open playbook at TRM, women readers here often look to dissemble, don’t understand male consciousness as we do theirs. We’re better analysts. Alphas act on this knowledge with confidence.

walawala
walawala
4 years ago

This whole section is worth a post on its own. Has anyone watched the entire 4 hours of Oliver Stone’s The Putin Interviews?

He is a solid alpha. He never gets rattled, he’s always under control, even though he’s very accommodating and gracious he’s never self-effacing.

In the briefings with his commanders via video conference he’s respectful and clear.

As an alpha he makes running a country look easy…

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
Oscar C.
4 years ago

Yeah, Putin does come across as alpha, but didn’t his wife leave him anyways? I don’t know the details, maybe somebody else can expand on that.

I think Putin was a more agreeable figure in the early 2000s, but has hardened over time. In a country like Russia you have to be strong to stay in power, that’s for sure. A more extreme example is the Chechen ruler, Ramzan Kadyrov.

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

When I’m poking the fire I am also looking at the mantle. Sex God Method encourages this and it does work, but with unintended consequences. I too fall under her spell… Re: RP Women – the 19yo coed who’s fire I’m currently poking is spewing RP truths. Men her age “are pussies”. She wants me to control most everything and make the decisions, etc. etc. Always a revelation. Her n-count was 2 before be (I tend to believe her on this, but ya never know) and she’s seriously reconsidering the ‘career’ track. Most of her same-aged friends also see the… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

but didn’t his wife leave him anyways?
If I remember correctly he dumped her and hooked up with a young hottie

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ cheupez Women aren’t *naturals* per se, but they are extremely reactive to their environment from a very young age. That’s how they figure shit out and they learn to act accordingly. They observe how men and boys, and even other women interact with them and others. Some are better at this than others, just like anything in life. The blog hoe does sound like she’s been exposed to some form of formal red pill thought, but it only informs her about aspects of her thought and behavior. It doesn’t serve to change it. As always the bottom line remains… Read more »

Oscar C.
4 years ago

@Disgruntled ok, I suspected something of the sort. A while ago there was a popular song in Russia whose lyrics included “I want a man like Putin”, so you kinda get the idea. @Blaximus I am 27 and in Europe, and I see what you describe in myself and others. But this alleged lack of masculinity in young men is simply an adaptation to the environment. There are little or no rewards in being an adult anymore. As I said in the ‘older comments’ section of this article, as a teenager I already did not see the point of contemporary… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@SJF: “Far be it from me to speculate on anthropology with KFG . . .” And far be it from me to make any sort of complaint about it. “It would certainly make sense to carve limestone with flint in the form of a fat pregnant woman . . .” It certainly seems unlikely to me that they don’t have a fertility association. I note that in every primitive (relatively speaking) culture that has been studied in the modern era there are “sacred” foods that are fed to pregnant women and infants, to insure strong, healthy children and they will… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Oscar C: “There are little or no rewards in being an adult anymore.”

What if the problem isn’t that there aren’t any rewards anymore, but that you have a misconception of what the rewards are?

Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Oscar Hey man. Nice to see you here giving input. The calculation younger men may make to forgo efforts to develop their masculinity because of a lack of reward or appreciation is a misguided and false assumption. You always do things for yourself first. You develop and challenge yourself to gain a true assessment of who you are. Then you strive for self improvement and understanding. The trick when living in any * system * that is detrimental to your best self interest, is to find ways to minimize the impact. Waiting for it to change isn’t the greatest… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Oscar

But this alleged lack of masculinity in young men is simply an adaptation to the environment.

Masculinity is still out there… you have to look for the pockets.

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As for women and their complicity in the situation… that’s all coming around too…

http://urbantimes.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tumblr_lhv61gqrBp1qbjuneo1_400.gif

sloooowly. But coming.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

This song is a lie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPYNL5ioo8E

The real reason Jimmy isn’t a pirate is because he doesn’t really want to be. That’s why he doesn’t see that all he has to do is hoist the black flag, and mean it.

He can’t let himself see, because that would reveal that the one he is lying to is himself.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@KFG “Trying to reverse engineer culture is a common (especially if you’ve got an agenda running), but fundamental error. The trick is to reengineer from the original base of culture and environment. What, from where they were, would result in where they ended up?” Are you trying to say that those that have an agenda want to explain why? instead of sticking to describing the how it came to happen? I remember Yuval Harari talked about The Hindsight Fallacy in his book Sapiens. http://erenow.com/common/sapiensbriefhistory/66.html Every point in history is a crossroads. A single travelled road leads from the past to… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/kateyrich/status/877196375427092480

Interesting to see whether the authro will be fired… strange things are popping up all over the place these days… The Narrative is breaking down. Law of Unintended Consequences is striking…

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Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Rugby

I don’t know or follow those Spartun Up guys, so I’m not informed on them. My experience with X Fitter’s though has been they are 90% Blue Pillers and 95% Beta. They enjoy a simulacrum of masculinity – the grind, the work, the effort – the sacrificial aspects – but are uncomfortable with dominance and victory. Hence they always seem to lack authenticity. In my experience.

Oscar C.
4 years ago

@kfg By “rewards” I meant meaningful relationships that no longer exist. A wedding is just an expensive party nowadays, and marriage can also be easily terminated on a whim. Service sector jobs are often devoid of the camaraderie of the old industrial ones. Immigration and demographic change also erodes the social fabric, as Robert Putnam has shown. I am not surprised that nerdy hobbies are on the rise; they are basically escapism from the new reality. @Blaximus Thanks for the reply. I fully get your point. Personally it applies to me in the sense that I was never really satisfied… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

SJW: “Are you trying to say that those that have an agenda want to explain why?” I’m saying they fit their conclusions to their agenda. They have a hypothesis and their interest is in supporting it, not in discovery. Taking an extreme example from another field you have the Seven Countries Study of Ancel Keys, where he had data from 21 countries and simply discarded the three quarters of the data that didn’t fit the curve he had constructed a priori to the study. The new phenomenon of the Consensus Conference isn’t to determine the consensus. It’s to create the… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Oscar C: “By “rewards” I meant meaningful relationships that no longer exist.”

Q.E.D.

So let me ask again: what if what you mean is wrong. What if the problem of the apparent lack of rewards is because you have defined “rewards” all retarded?

I certainly agree with what you have said, but ask this further question:

“Service sector jobs are often devoid of the camaraderie of the old industrial ones.”

Why the fuck would you want either one?

Oscar C.
4 years ago
Reply to  kfg

@kfg I see what you mean. But when I was describing all that I was not really talking about myself, but rather how the average joe might see things. I have been a bit of an oddball my entire life, often interested in things people my age did not care about, and really I never pictured myself having a conventional family. For me never marrying or not having kids was the default option. However I can see how painful it must be to have to forgo those things when you really wanted them (incidentally, the closest a chick might come… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Seven Countries included.
21 countries available.
“discarded three quarters of the data”

Protip to Self: Always have your math peer reviewed before publication.

constrainedlocus
4 years ago

@SFC Ton “Women do not really have more power……The first step is to realize that this is indeed the case. Men cede power. Men are taught to cede power. Men look for opportunities to cede power. Women just take advantage of men’s largess. A man does not have to be full on Alpha to get this, or to use it to his best advantage in life.” Your comment struck a chord with me. I ceded a lot of power away unnecessarily, often without realizing it. Doing so undermined and deleted the respect and genuine adoration and desire away from the… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Sentient
Its the root of self improvement and using anger as creative aggression. Gym work approach anxiety and overall accepting the red pill for what it is completely.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“But when I was describing all that I was not really talking about myself, but rather how the average joe might see things.”

And I was asking questions of anyone who might happen upon this thread, not just you specifically. And of course the people who find their way here are not typically average Joes. They’re at least enough above average to be looking for another way.

The tricky part is getting them to be able to see it.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Rugby

Its the root of self improvement

Expand on this, what do you mean?

As to those guys, they start off the video commenting on their abundant “military envy”… then on to X Fit. Most of the military guys I know, as well as the X Fitters, are solid blue inside their physique.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

I took near about 150 millennials down range for roughly 6 years of life in the suck.

They did their duty like men. And when shit went from bad to worse they butched the fuck up and Charlie Mike’ed.

But they needed my…. I don’t know…. “permission” to roll up to Raleigh and sling cock into college girls like a boss. Its what brought me to the man o sphere

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Cross fit is for fags

SFC Ton
4 years ago

constrainedlocus, pretty sure that was from Blax

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
4 years ago

@constrainedlocus But that anger, I need to do something about. You are doing something about it. Your entire comment to Ton shows you are already regaining ceded power, exercising control in social situations where before you didn’t by emulating men you respect, channeling anger into useful pursuits, etc. Blaximus has a way of putting things that makes them clear to me: “The calculation younger men may make to forgo efforts to develop their masculinity because of a lack of reward or appreciation is a misguided and false assumption. You always do things for yourself first. You develop and challenge yourself… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
4 years ago

Most of the military guys I know…are solid blue inside their physique. This is a sad state of affairs and it isn’t supposed to be like this, but it is. I’ve known hundreds, all services, all branches, dozens of internationals. Most of them are standard blue pill men with essentially civilian jobs that they do while wearing a uniform and maybe living in an austere environment. But some of them really are stone cold killers when the situation calls for it, and hard as a coffin nail. Either way, they almost all go home when it’s over and serve women.… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
4 years ago

I took near about 150 millennials down range for roughly 6 years of life in the suck.

I’ve long suspected Ton is actually Hoot.

Boxcar
Boxcar
4 years ago

“As your confidence and presence increase the anger decreases.” This is true even on the hormonal level. Ie., irritability and anger are symptoms of LOW testosterone. But the smooth dude who is calm, cool and collected is demonstrating traits that are associated with high androgen levels. When women say they like a nice guy, this is what they really mean — a guy who is pleasant and sociable, but has solid frame, confidence and the ability to pass shit tests with a flick of the wrist (not through angry confrontation). If you are doing things right (easier said than done,… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

If you have to ask the question you’d never understand my answer and truth be told not sure I 100% understand myself.

I can tell you it ain’t for mom, baseball apple pie, America, democracy or such horsehit. I do love apple pie but not a fan of them other 4

Dionysus
Dionysus
4 years ago

Rollo I have always seen you as the middle way. Initially I visualized the choices available to a man post-RP as a spectrum running from complete dis-engagement (mgtow) to complete engagement (pua) with TRM in the middle. However the more I think about it I realize the dis-engagement exists on both extremes, one by cutting off all interactions and the other by overloading through lots of shallows interactions. While each man begins his journey at a different point on the spectrum and I believe personally one should explore the spectrum in its entirety, dwelling too much at either extreme seems… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

The question for the MGTOW chaps is – where are you going? Avoidance is not direction.

Oscar C.
4 years ago

@Sentient That is a good question. I am not MGTOW, so I can not really answer. From my own experience, the advice of “concentrate on your hobbies and interests, live your life, etc” is not really helpful if you want to get laid. In my late teens and early twenties I did just that to no avail: I was really into college and learning, and expected relationships to just “happen” while socializing. They did not. You still have to be a proactive and do a noticeable effort. Now, if you deliberately forgo sex, that is a whole new ball game.… Read more »

PaulProteus
PaulProteus
4 years ago

@kfg

Thanks for the nod, I’ve been in the background reading for a long time now.

The Male Frame
The Male Frame
4 years ago

I have had countless friends, who as you say, become aware of TRP after a break up or once their SO has cheated on them. But in that moment of anger or resentment, they are more susceptible to accept the ideas conveyed by TRP. Then as soon as another or the same woman gives them the slightest bit of attention, they go crawling back to their Blue Pill tendencies. It’s important that men take some time off after they’ve gone through a heartbreak (if they’re coming from a Blue Pill background). Go through some introspection and embrace the Red Pill… Read more »

lucienrubempre
4 years ago

The title of this post is excellent. Women are what men worship today, in place of God. This is the inevitable result of living in a hedonistic society. We live by desire alone; women are what we desire most; therefore we worship women.

The only escape is a complete and total rejection of hedonism, which is a direct path to weakness and despair.

Anthony DiValentin
Anthony DiValentin
4 years ago

I think you have a typo

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