Family Integrity

As most of my readers know I have my third book in the Rational Male series coming up soon (very soon, promise). When I began this new book I had an initial working title – The Rational Male, The Red Pill – however, as I progressed I shifted this to Positive Masculinity. I spoke briefly about this in my last two interviews, but there came a point in my compiling, writing and editing where I’d taken a different path in the purpose of the new book. Where I had wanted to explain and / or defend the initial, intersexual, definition of what the term ‘Red Pill‘ has increasingly been distorted away from, I found myself leaning more into expressing ways in which this Red Pill awareness could benefit men’s lives in many ways in and apart from intersexual dynamics.

I’d hit on this in my Red Pill Parenting series from a couple years ago and I knew I wanted to revisit and make that series a prominent part of the book. As it sits now, it accounts for a full quarter of the book’s content, but as I moved into my writing more I decided that the best way to really define ‘The Red Pill” as I know it was to go into the various ways men might benefit from redefining masculinity for themselves in a conventional, Red Pill aware sense.

When I finished the parenting section I realized that I was really laying out general, if not prescriptive, ideas for ways men might better raise their sons and daughters in a feminine-primary social order that’s determined to condition them. My purpose with both the series and section was to equip fathers with Red Pill aware considerations in making their sons and daughters Red Pill aware themselves in order to challenge a world that increasingly wants to convince us that fathers’ influence is superfluous or dangerous.

It was from this point that I’d made a connection; what I was doing was laying out a much-needed reckoning of sorts with regard to what conventional, positive masculinity might mean to future generations of Red Pill aware men. Since my time on the SoSuave forums and the inception of this blog I’ve used the term positive masculinity. I’ve even had a category for it on my side bar since I began too. From the time I began writing I’ve always felt a need to vindicate positive, conventional masculinity and separate it from the deliberately distorted “toxic” masculinity that the Village of the Feminine Imperative would have us believe is endemic today.

In Vulnerability I described this deliberate, but calculated, confusion thusly:

For the greater part of men’s upbringing and socialization they are taught that a conventional masculine identity is in fact a fundamentally male weakness that only women have a unique ‘cure’ for. It’s a widely accepted manosphere fact that over the past 60 or so years, conventional masculinity has become a point of ridicule, an anachronism, and every media form from then to now has made a concerted effort to parody and disqualify that masculinity. Men are portrayed as buffoons for attempting to accomplish female-specific roles, but also as “ridiculous men” for playing the conventional ‘macho’ role of masculinity. In both instances, the problems their inadequate maleness creates are only solved by the application of uniquely female talents and intuition.

Perhaps more damaging though is the effort the Feminine Imperative has made in convincing generations of men that masculinity and its expressions (of any kind) is an act, a front, not the real man behind the mask of masculinity that’s already been predetermined by his feminine-primary upbringing.

Women who lack any living experience of the male condition have the calculated temerity to define for men what they should consider manhood – from a feminine-primary context. This is why men’s preconception of vulnerability being a sign of strength is fundamentally flawed. Their concept of vulnerability stems from a feminine pretext.

Masculinity and vulnerability are defined by a female-correct concept of what should best serve the Feminine Imperative. That feminine defined masculinity (tough-guy ridiculousness) feeds the need for defining vulnerability as a strength – roll over, show your belly and capitulate to that feminine definition of masculinity – and the cycle perpetuates itself.

From my very earliest writing I’ve always seen a need to correct this intentionally distorted perception of masculinity with true, evolved, biologically and psychologically inherited aspects of conventional masculinity.

As you may guess this isn’t an easy an task when a Red Pill man must fight against many different varieties of this masculine distortion. We live in an age where any expression of conventional masculinity is conflated with bullying or ‘hyper-masculinity‘. The Blue Pill teaches that inherent strength ought not to be considered “masculine”, if a boy acts in a conventionally masculine way he’s to be sedated, and boys as young as four can decide their gender to the extent that doctors are chemically altering their physiologies to block hormones and transition them into (binary) girls.

To the Blue Pill Village, a definition of masculinity is either something very obscure, subjective and arbitrary or it’s something extraordinarily dangerous, ridiculous and toxic. As I said, even the most marginal displays of anything conventionally masculine are exaggerated as some barbaric hazing ritual or smacks of hyper, over the top displays of machismo. With so much spite arrayed against masculinity, and with such an arbitrary lack of guidance in whatever might pass for a form of masculinity that feminine-primary society might ever find acceptable, is there anything positive about the masculine at all?

There is only one conclusion we can come to after so much writing on the wall – there is a war on conventional masculinity that’s been going on in progressive western societies for generations now.

I found it very hard to describe what exactly a Positive Masculinity  might mean to Red Pill aware men. One of the more insidious ways that Blue Pill conditioning effectively neuters masculinity is in the recruiting of men to effect their own emasculation. Usually these men themselves have had no real guidance in, or embrace of, conventional masculinity precisely because this Blue Pill conditioning has robbed them of maturing into an understanding of it. Blue Pill fathers raise Blue Pill sons and the process repeats, but in that process is the insurance that Blue Pill sons are denied an education in what it means to be a man.

Thus, we get masculine apologists like The Good Man Project who think ‘real’ masculinity can be found in an egalitarian parity between men and women – rather than our evolved, complementary gender roles. This is a manifestation of years of gender-loathing indoctrination. If men would just apologize for their maleness and all the negative aspects that it’s characterized and defined by, all can be made well. These are the Nice Guys who are accused of using their niceness as a ploy to win over women’s sexual favor. These are the male feminists, who never acknowledge that they are, but who still place the “divinity of the feminine” above their own self-loathed gender identity.

Next we get the men who are all made of honorable intent. These are the guys for whom a rational, firm, no-nonsense appeal to a woman’s reason should be enough to not only convince her of his quality, but he expects her attraction to be based on it. These are largely Red Pill aware men who still hope that old books virtue is something they might parlay into some form of attraction with women.

These tend to be the long game kind of men. When a guy is given to aspirations of virtuousness-as-game they’re generally cut from Beta cloth. I’m very familiar with this from my younger days. I too believed in the Boy Scout 12 point law: a scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. In and of themselves these are noble aspirations, and ones that an old books / old social contract rightly endorsed. The problem is that none of them translate into an ounce of arousal for women.

Dean Abbot tweeted this recently:

https://twitter.com/DeanAbbott/status/857236074493603841

I would argue that since the rise of our feminine-primary social order and the dissolution of the family in terms of conventional (and evolved) gender roles, even with a family, men have little idea of the impact their influence makes. As I’ve written before, women fundamentally lack the capacity to ever appreciate the sacrifices men make to facilitate a woman’s reality. Few, if any, women understand just how their lives are made possible by the ceaseless efforts men make directly or indirectly to ensure their safety, provisioning, security, ambitions and support. This is only exacerbated in a social order that entitles, coddles and overemphasizes women as the gender whose imperatives define our social context.

Family isn’t what defines men’s virtue or integrity, ideally it ought to be a result of it. However, I tend not to deal in “what ought to be” on this blog, I deal in what is. The fact remains that Virtue is only valued and estimated by men on an individual basis.

“There is no such thing as moral phenomena, but only a moral interpretation of phenomena.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

A lot of well-meaning Red Pill aware men want the old order, old books noble aspects of men to have a reinvigorated worth today. As we make Red Pill awareness applicable in a broader perspective in men’s lives we get to an impasse over what a ‘legitimate’ use of that knowledge ought to be. I believe we get a couple of extreme positions in this respect. I touched on this in The Bitter Taste of the Red Pill:

Game-aware women – the ones who have been forcibly exhausted of all pretense of maintaining the illusion that Game is a lie – feel as though it’s owed to them, in their concession of Game’s reality, that Men should use Game to women’s benefit. Even to the last effort women still cling to the tools of a feminized acculturation;

“Yeah, OK, you got us, Game is really what women want, hypergamy is the law of womankind, but now it’s your responsibility that you use it for the better benefit of society by molding a new breed of improved Betas to accommodate fem-centric monogamy. You owe us our security for having admitted to the grand illusion that’s kept you in thrall for so long.”

It’s an indictment of Game-aware women, and sympathizing men, that they should feel a need to delineate some aspects of Game into good camps (pro woman, pro feminized monogamy) and bad camps (manipulative, polygynous, male-centered). Even in the admission of the truth that Game has enlightened Men of, the feminine imperative still seeks to categorize the application of Game to its own end. That Men might have some means of access to their own sexual strategy is too terrible a Threat; Game must be colored good or bad as it concerns the imperatives of women and a fem-centric societal norm.

I think it’s important that we not allow ourselves to fall into a similar trap with regards delineating what is appropriate use of the Red Pill advantage we have. This isn’t an endorsement for or against ethics in the Red Pill – I’ve already written that post – but it is to emphasize that I think objectivity should precede any pretense to what may or may not be on or off limits in Game or Red Pill awareness.

The Red Pill Moralist

On one end of the spectrum we get men who’ve accepted Red Pill awareness and the truths it presents as a guiding influence to varying degrees. I think it’s a mistake to think the Red Pill moralists are always an ‘Old Married Guy’ who wants to justify his decision to ‘do the right thing’ (no matter how disastrous his personal outcome may be). There are an increasing number of younger idealists who believe the Red Pill aware man has a civic duty to use that awareness in an ethical way that promotes the reinstitution of the conventional family. That may be a noble cause, but I don’t think it should be a straightjacket for Red Pill objectivity.

For the Red Pill Moralist, proper application of the Red Pill is to use that knowledge to vet women for a marriage suitability and a prospective family. With full knowledge of the inherent downsides and liability risks of modern marriage, the moralist takes it as his masculine duty now for the future to still assume the “sucker’s bet”. Needless to say this masculine social-sacrificial position seems more like men running back to the plantation of marriage for unresolved Blue Pill rationales, but I would argue that in a post-Red Pill awareness the belief is that a strong, dominant Red Pill aware Frame control can make the difference to offset the overwhelming risks. The core notion is that reestablishing the conventional family as a man’s civic duty warrants the almost certain prospect of a man’s own detriment.

The moralists have a tendency to disdain or moralize any other application of Red Pill awareness that would facilitate a self-serving or hedonistic purpose. Usually this comes after their living their own lives hedonistically, but also because they were “awakened while married” or just post-horrible divorce. This mirrors a Trad-Con position of encouraging men to “Man-Up” and volunteer for their own fleecing and disdaining the trappings of anything that doesn’t serve women’s imperatives for their own lives – but again as a kind of self-imposed noble duty of masculinity.

This is the flip-side of moralist’s position might be the self-serving use of the Red Pill solely for individual pleasure or gain. This is characterized by the PUA, Game-is-all, guy whose only purpose ends with himself. To the moralist, this use of Red Pill awareness is furthering the destruction of a family archetype that seems to be a solution to societal decay. The Rational Male comment threads are no stranger to the debates of PUAs whose pass or fail, Alpha or Beta benchmark for success rides on what would likely be considered sitting poolside while the world burns.

The last hurdle most men still refuse to get over is that they want women to meet them half way because, despite their Red Pill awareness, they still believe in egalitarian equalism. The most intelligent men still think that women use the same operating system that men do. They don’t, and that’s why these otherwise great men fail with regard to their approach to women. They believe women have the functional capacity to understand men’s motives as if they were any rational being’s motives and agree and comply with them. They simply do not, but unlearning the programming that women should have the capacity to reach some mutually acceptable bargain between men and women’s sexual imperatives is something intelligent men can’t seem to factor.

In Moral to the Manosphere I wrote this:

If you choose to derive your personal value from some esoteric sense of what sex ‘should’ mean, more power to you, but I find it’s a much healthier position to accept a balance between our carnal natures and our higher aspirations. It’s not one or the other. It’s OK to want to fuck just for the sake of fucking – it doesn’t have to be some source of existential meaning. If you think it means something more, then that’s your own subjective perspective – even in marriage there’s ‘maintenance sex’ and there’s memorable, significant sex – but it’s a mistake to think that the totality of the physical act must be of some cosmic significance.

It is as equally unhealthy to convince oneself that self-repressions are virtues as it is to think that unfettered indulgences are freedoms. There is a balance.

While I do think that whatever becomes the Red Pill family unit needs to have some structure similar to that of conventional gender roles, I think it’s important to understand that the new Red Pill ‘family’ will live or die by men’s capacity to accept and apply their awareness of intersexual dynamics. This is one very important difference between an idealized, pre-sexual revolution family and what will evolve in a post-feminist social awareness.

Pickup, Game, really the use of any aspect of Red Pill awareness that isn’t bent to the reconstitution of what I assume would be a Red Pill family unit, is an illegitimate use in the moralist perspective. I think this also goes too far in that Red Pill awareness shouldn’t be limited to what anyone might consider a pro-social purpose for it. Much of what I go into in the parenting section of the new book centers strongly on a man, a father, a husband applying his broader understanding of intersexual dynamics to create a better marriage and family for himself; but I think it needs to be said that all of that Red Pill awareness comes to those men courtesy of the hedonists who wanted to simply crack the code of how to get laid. Too much of either will lead to an imbalance.

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DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

label’r

The old man went crazy with this gadget when in came out in the seventies – labeled all the light switches in the house and all the shelves in his locked bank of shelves he had built for his shit. Oddly though, he didn’t label the porn shelf.

I refuse to label anything, which is why I keep loosing my shit

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“A label’r in the right hands can be used properly,you can keep yours.” I’m trying, but I’m losing ground. I was referring to the recent trend to make computer systems “Database Based.” In such systems files are assigned labels of random characters for indexing purposes, so the labels can only be read by the specific program that created them. I have tens of thousands of files and, with their human readable labels (in a file manager program) I know what each one is and where it goes in my personal information hierarchy, because I have this computing device known as… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

“I know what each one is and where it goes in my personal information hierarchy, because I have this computing device known as a “brain,” and some fair capacity in using it.”

Now this capacity doesn’t come naturally,it takes work and practice to learn the proper use of this brain device thingy. Even doing simple math is most uncomfortable for many.

anon
anon
4 years ago

The human brain is very adept at pattern recognition.
Pattern recognition is why people form quick conclusions based on limited data. Those conclusions are generally right (if they weren’t right more often than not we wouldn’t have survived as a species).
But they are not always right.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Those conclusions are generally right (if they weren’t right more often than not we wouldn’t have survived as a species).” It isn’t that they are generally right (in specific instances they are generally wrong), but that they are generally right in regards to the potential consequences. A bump in the night that startles you, but isn’t actually a leopard is rarely a fatal error. A bump in the night that doesn’t startle you, but is actually a leopard tends to be a fatal error. We can survive a gazillion and one stupid ideas of no consequence, but just one stupid… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Blax We have different life experiences. Yeah, I’m sure you weren’t surprised like I was at my first job by how much was taken out of my paycheck in taxes. But fundamentally, understanding left-right is not about life experiences…it’s about paying attention. There are intellectual forces (aka “ideas”) that impact society and have a profound effect on it. I look for fucked up behavior that’s detrimental without regard to political and ideological affiliation. That’s how you don’t get snookered by having allegiance to men’s machinations. Fuck, you think I’m ego-invested in conservatism? Guess again. I do know enough to follow… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

The “canary in the coal mine” died in the 80s it’s mutated children voted for trump or mainly against hillary .

If you can’t get oxygen,helium will do till the mine caves in.

The fact remains none will save what they believe is not needed,and what better way to eliminate men than to have them kill each other of in the name of ( right,left,umc,blue collar working class,skilled,unskilled,marine,navy, or elite) basically all just men.

Fuck the labels.,

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Good thing they label jolly ranchers blue raspberry is my fave.

anon
anon
4 years ago

“It isn’t that they are generally right (in specific instances they are generally wrong), but that they are generally right in regards to the potential consequences. A bump in the night that startles you, but isn’t actually a leopard is rarely a fatal error. A bump in the night that doesn’t startle you, but is actually a leopard tends to be a fatal error. We can survive a gazillion and one stupid ideas of no consequence, but just one stupid idea of consequence spells curtains. The warfare of life is asymmetrical by nature.” Good points. And risk assessment is determined… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Suicide and The Beta

Rockstar happiness
Flow
Higher purpose

Destroy it ruthlessly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy-2GS3pz1k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts9kHoHjIRc

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
4 years ago

Yusuf Cat Stevens – To Hell With Him Good ol’ Yusuf became persona non grata with me when he advocated for the killing of Rushdie for upsetting the peace of Islam (Yusuf’s new religion and last name no less) by writing a book. I had heard that he was trying to play off his former success. If this is any indication of his new stuff, he’s a blue pill old fart singing drivel. 2:22 “Find a girl, settle down, if you want, you can marry, look at me, I am old, but I’m happy” Good for you Yusuf! It’s time… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

“here comes Stupid” warning signs…disses virtue, disses the family, disses nationalism, disses religion, is a keyboard jockey about marriage, is an anarchist

the folks in Barcelona tried anarchism for a bit…it was an especially nasty time during the Spanish Civil War

ollieoxenfree1
4 years ago

The red pill moralist is characterised by his lack of conviction. His need for simple answers to complex questions. Little to no introspection or work ethic. The unappointed custodians of this site is where you’ll find them. The most damning aspect of them is their conduct. Which, if a man of 60 years ago, were to judge, wouldn’t recognise as coming from his own gender.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Ollie

Which, if a man of 60 years ago, were to judge, wouldn’t recognise as coming from his own gender.

Cuz you were an adult 60 years ago. You’re boring.

Sorcerygod
4 years ago

If you refuse to take shit, the “Feminine Primacy” fades away quickly. I see this is hard for some men. Staring a woman in the eyes and saying the f-word is alien to their upbringing. There is nothing better than practicing this, starting with females who have no power over you and moving on to the chicks you’re dating. Hell, drop the F-bomb on a girl just for the hell of it. I urge every doubting man to try a taste of the strong bitter brew you’ll be giving them girls. You’ll thank me for encouraging it. Feminine Imperative only… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Gosh. I’m terribly confused here. Why was the title of the essay Family Integrity? Why was the image (a picture tells a thousand words) of a loser wife that the husband will defend (as a moralist) to support. What about those of us MRP guys that don’t have a melted, loser wife? I don’t disagree with the original post, and I have learned a lot from it. I learned a lot from “debating with the PUA crowd” the last two years. I acknowledge the value of the PUA crowd. Never have I doubted that Game and Red Pill is great.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

I don’t know if my last two links sync-ed up properly with WordPress.

They were to link to these two posts in this comment thread.

theasdgamer
May 13, 2017 at 4:46 am

theasdgamer
May 13, 2017 at 4:37 am

Is there a problem with Old Married Guys moralizing here?

Does that do harm to the Red Pill Brand?

I’d be the first one to accept how not to do that. But i’m not sure I want to chip away at my happy family to do that. Am I missing something?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

The problem is that none of them translate into an ounce of arousal for women.

Arousal is not for barter. You don’t care about virtue in order to trade it for women’s arousal. You care about virtue for its own sake.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Is there a problem with Old Married Guys moralizing here?

I have not seen it here. Dalrock wants to encourage marriage and I told him recently that I couldn’t do that. I don’t know if our exchange prompted the OP.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Some YSGs continue to push the idea that you can’t be Red Pill and married (or Red Pill and religious, etc.). That’s really the only thing close to moralizing that I’ve seen–that marriage and the family and religion are against reality, which, of course, is ludicrous, since all exist (there may be some controversy about metaphysical reality, of course, but religious systems exist).

cheupez
4 years ago

“You care about virtue for it’s own sake.”

Virtuous is boring to women. Women offer their best to crooks. Men in the west will have to rediscover the mean bone in them. This will spell disaster for the rest of the world but is vital for the return of the westerner. The way to get back on track with their women is through abandonment, adultery, neglect, a bit of violence, being stingy, even being quite low minded (at times) and so on. If you choose to be virtuous, expect and accept the cuckold that will likely follow.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@cheupez

If you choose to be virtuous, expect and accept the cuckold that will likely follow.

Uh, no. It ain’t necessarily so.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Yareally, we’ve been all thru this @cheupez…we know what tingles the gina…DHV and play with a woman’s fantasies and emotions…

…the man can be a drug-dealing, whore-pimping, nun-raping, murderous gangster or…

…a chaste, virtuous, church-going husband…

…makes no diff as long as he DHVs (use Preselection and show social skills) and plays with a girl’s emotions…

…if you want loyalty, the woman has to be trained to be loyal…either pre-trained by father/religious upbringing, including being trained in how to mateguard herself or…

…you train your own girl…

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Notice that there’s nothing in my comment saying what a man should do, just what works.

Peter
Peter
4 years ago

@rollo

The list of moralising, right/altl-right/far-right conservatives who claim to be “Red Pill” but in fact are preaching virtue, PC, purity fantasy, pro-Feminine Imperative ideas is growing by the day:

* Mark Baxter
* Jordan Peterson
* Nick Krauser
* Stefan Molyneux
* Gavin McInnes
* Mike Cernovich

This is confusing a whole generation of guys into thinking biology is about the good of the family, the good of society, the good of your soul. Red Pill is the complete opposite of this.

Peter
Peter
4 years ago

Let us remind ourselves of Chad. Chad, although we hate him, IS everything the Red Pill tries to define. He’s the jackpot of sexual appeal to girls:

* An asshole
* Selfish
* Narcissistic
* Leader of men
* Fun
* Free, uninhibited
* Sleeps around, not tied down
* Loud
* Non PC
* Rugged, rough, dangerous
* Physical

…You get the idea. Rollo’s written post after post on this. And yet guys on this forum still cling to the idea that Chad is a father, a family man, a church goer and a conservative. Sigh.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Peter

The list of moralising, right/altl-right/far-right conservatives

So?

And yet guys on this forum still cling to the idea that Chad is a father, a family man, a church goer and a conservative. Sigh.

Can you point to some individuals, or are you painting with a spray can?

Really not sure who you are trying to communicate with.

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
4 years ago

Great post Rollo. In an amoral universe what is moral is up to the individual, even Jesus didn’t condemn the woman married 5 times at the well. What is good for the individual and the group is something altogether different, respect and sacrifice is reciprocal, you don’t get it you don’t give it. Re Egyptian women, I think it was Hesiod that mentioned something interesting, that pregnant Egyptian (matriarchal) women tilled the fields while Greek (by then northern white and patriarchal) women stayed at home. It’s interesting that the more matriarchal a society becomes the more work women have to… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Peter sounds like the kind of guy that would shoot John Lennon to impress a girl.

Justin Beiber better watch his back.

Limitless
Limitless
4 years ago

I do not agree with Rollo on this one, I believe The Principles of Game by Beige Phillip https://illimitablemen.com/archives/understanding-the-red-pill/game/ are much more applicable to real life, starting with first principle #01 – We are at war. Nothing you want to do gets in the way of your relationship, it is innately part of who you are and why the bitch fell in love with you in the first place. We are at war. You’re in situations when you think you’re in a relationship but you’re not in a relationship, you’re in battle. If you give in you’ll never get what… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

@Blax You got these red pill puritans that lack real life experience and find parts of the praxeology that jive with their beliefs,while reading the comments they mistake commentors attitudes for the blogs,and either get on board or fight it. The trouble is real life isn’t that cut and dried,there isn’t that one thing it is a myriad of things so complex nobody really ever has nailed it down. You know this shit I know this and little peices fall into place every day. Like the most likely guy to get married is “Chad” with an N count 15-30, while… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

This isn’t to say that there is no need for a man to master and internalize certain aspects that were foreign or unclear to him prior to unplugging. What i am proposing is that once you drill a hole in the red pill and attempt to nail it down,it is at this point that not it but you become part of the matrix.

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
4 years ago

I sometimes just love reading the comments section of a post as much as the post. The input or perspectives are always awesome.

anon
anon
4 years ago

“You got these red pill puritans that lack real life experience and find parts of the praxeology that jive with their beliefs…”

The more I read the more TRP reminds me of libertarianism.
To include the “purists” (who are generally anarchists/nihilists).
And, yes, it’s lack of real life experience because anyone who has had any success in life and paid attention has met many people like the “Chad” of description at every stage of development, and knows exactly how that ends.

ollieoxenfree1
4 years ago

@asdgamer

You betray yourself, so easily. A clear symptom of a deficit in character.

@Sorcerygod

A little industrial language is what has been missing from too many relationships, for far too long.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Johnny

even Jesus didn’t condemn the woman married 5 times at the well.

He flirted with her. I wrote a post about this or some such.

https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2014/09/26/jesus-flirted/

Yeah, Jesus flirted but wasn’t trying to bang even tho the girl was up for it. “Give me some of this water.” DTF

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@stuff

You got these red pill puritans that lack real life experience

yeah, but they’ll moralize the hell out of you, lol

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Peter

* An asshole
* Selfish
* Narcissistic
* Leader of men
* Fun
* Free, uninhibited
* Sleeps around, not tied down
* Loud
* Non PC
* Rugged, rough, dangerous
* Physical

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Ollie

You betray yourself, so easily. A clear symptom of a deficit in character.

I think there’s a glory hole in stall 3 waiting for your ass.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Limitless (love ur name)

#01 – We are at war.

That’s why the saying goes, “Everything’s fair in love and war.” Lots of similarities. Full of passion and strategies and ruses and…games.

The beloved opponent. Part of love is grappling and wrestling and shit tests. You shouldn’t get angry over shit tests. They come from love.

If you give in you’ll never get what you lost back, it’s very hard to get what you’ve lost back if you’re not a “master pimp.”

Is it really that hard to be a “master pimp?”

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Peter 1 more thing before I go have a delicious breakfast. ” hate ” at it’s core, and in the way you allude to it in the comment above, is a feminine emotion/emotional response. Envy isn’t a good look for a man. It points to a disastrous frame that’s heavy on the FI influence. Also, you seem to point to extremes concerning red pill. That’s becoming a common theme lately. If you honestly believe being a husband and father is at odds with being red pill, you don’t have a clear understanding of red pill. Misunderstanding and personal bias… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Lol @ pimps. They benefit greatly from the romanticization of their chosen profession. The average Joe could never, ever come close to being a true pimp ( including myself ). The tendency to focus solely on the interaction between pimp and whore bypasses a metric ton of understanding regarding the full spectrum. It is indeed hard to pimp, lol. The closer one is to being a psychopath, the more #success he will have. # success is a relative description, as the overwhelming majority of ” pimps ” die ( violently ) broke, or in prison. Again, psychopathy being highly determinative… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Peter He’s the jackpot of sexual appeal to girls: * An asshole * Selfish * Narcissistic * Leader of men * Fun * Free, uninhibited * Sleeps around, not tied down * Loud * Non PC * Rugged, rough, dangerous * Physical He’s A jackpot, but not the ONLY jackpot. All non-feminine men nowadays are automatically labeled “narcissistic” if we’re self-reliant, confident, and seem a little arrogant. Donald Trump tingles the gina wherever he goes: * not an asshole…oops * narcissistic…he’s a man, sooo * leader of men…nah, Trump’s no leader * fun…no, by all accounts Trump is boring *… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Blax

If you honestly believe being a husband and father is at odds with being red pill, you don’t have a clear understanding of red pill.

Think he knows what being a husband and father are, either?

anon
anon
4 years ago

Part of this disconnect is just semantics.
What does “asshole” mean?
Someone cuts you off on the round and purposely side-swipes you, do you say to yourself, “Wow, that guy sure is an asshole! He must gets lots of pussy…wish he were my leader….”
No one refers to a person they respect and admire as an asshole.
That’s the person who is blacklisted from a party because no one will show up if he does.

dr zipper
dr zipper
4 years ago

@anon – “Wow, that guy sure is an asshole! He must gets lots of pussy…wish he were my leader….”

lol, that’s exactly the type of sarcastic assholery that will get you laid

then there’s another vernacular nuance to the word in which it means “the guy doesn’t seem to follow social norms and constraints; I’m envious and must disparage him to virtue signal *my* compliance”

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Anon

“No one refers to a person they respect and admire as an asshole.”

But they sure do fuck ’em… at least 50% of the time i hear something like “you really are an asshole” to which the best response has been… “oh, you have no idea, we’re just getting started”…

stuffinbox
4 years ago

“lol, that’s exactly the type of sarcastic assholery that will get you laid”

Unless you are a woman.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Peter”

* An asshole
* Selfish
* Narcissistic
* Leader of men
* Fun
* Free, uninhibited
* Sleeps around, not tied down
* Loud
* Non PC
* Rugged, rough, dangerous
* Physical

…You get the idea. Rollo’s written post after post on this. And yet guys on this forum still cling to the idea that Chad is a father, a family man, a church goer and a conservative.

Pretty well describes my dad, 80% right…

dr zipper
dr zipper
4 years ago

@stuffinbox – maybe, but I like a little sass in a woman, then I fuck it outta her

anon
anon
4 years ago

Guess I’m living in a sheltered bubble of successful non-assholes never seen in nature except…my sheltered bubble. So…do you like working for assholes? They make good leaders?

stuffinbox
4 years ago

“Pretty well describes my dad, 80% right…”

This is my Dad 100% you gotta love the guy.

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Dr Zipper

I like spirited women,sarcastic asshole women not so much.

Totaly can be fucked out of them,or gamed if the initial attraction is strong enough.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Plenty of non assholes around Anon… they tend to work for assholes… 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_aDNj0dS8E

“What I consider to be control, nome sayin’, is the SOUL”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgN1sLcAQnw

“steel is strong boy… FLESH is stronger.”

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

This thread has produced armies of straw men on the march. One hardly even knows where to begin.

anon
anon
4 years ago

“… they tend to work for assholes…”

Sometimes. Not always.
The reason I blacklisted a boss from one of our parties. No one would’ve shown up otherwise.

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Dr Zipper

Just so anon doesn’t get the idea this will work with her husband.

stuffinbox
4 years ago

kfg

Grab a pitch fork and I’ll check back later.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Sometimes. Not always.”

oh shit… not always… OK then. How about how often?

Fill in the blank “My Boss is an _____________.”

anon
anon
4 years ago

Depends on the year. Right now, I can’t think of a single asshole boss.
Years past…the number goes up the lower in the pecking order one is.
Assholes do not inspire loyalty.

anon
anon
4 years ago

An of the “asshole leader” versus “good leader” example (IMO) can be found in the movie Gladiator. Yes, it’s fiction. But no more so than The Matrix.
Commodus was an asshole. Maximus wasn’t. I’ve seen both types of leaders.

dr zipper
dr zipper
4 years ago

@stuffin – it just might work for her husband, if she gives him permission first

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Grab a pitch fork . . .” Straw men burn well, but I have no Iolaus at my side. @Cheupez: You seem to be working from the weeping, hippie Jesus model of virtue. While this model holds sway in some quarters, it is not the only model of virtue (and not even the only Christian model) and certainly isn’t Virtue. You will be better off referring to the pagan Classical Greeks for a grip on Virtue. And Heroism. Robin Hood was a crook. He was also a heroic model of virtue. @AR: “Peter . . . Really not sure who… Read more »

xxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxx
4 years ago

Men here seem fixated with the idea that marriage and any kind of social contract with women is complying with the female imperative. A social contract of any kind has, as it’s basis, a means to enable people to get along to the extent that survivial and even properity becomes viable. And since men have had to get along to get any sort of society of civilisation going, naturally marriage was something to bind men together through blood relationships or at the very least, to ensure men do not compete disastrously witih each other, or even use women as a… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-SrRCGjc_k

You had to know how to control… and how to operate a stable. How to dazzle, befuddle, bewitch, entrance and hypnotize a woman. And not only one woman – eight, nine. And to keep them.”

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
4 years ago

@Blax

I’d Shoot Don Lemon to impress a girl.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

anon
“No one refers to a person they respect and admire as an asshole.
That’s the person who is blacklisted from a party because no one will show up if he does.”

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Blax

Lol @ pimps.

A true ghetto pimp and a PUA “pimp” vary somewhat. I have never known a true pimp. Figure he’s always having to shakedown women and protect his business from other pimps.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
4 years ago

@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The problem with marriage is women have the power to rip our wallets out through our scrotum and get the benefit of neutering us socially for years and years while we muscle up and take the second-place prize of banging worthless sluts, IF we’re good enough to bang the hot ones. All on a whim. Red Pill is adapting to the times. And right now all that whore can do is massage the bullet till she decides to fire it. That’s all. It’s not like it’s pointed anywhere. THAT’S the reason social contracts are seen as capitulation to the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKNenduP9Z4

Green and gold malt liquor can and roller… “Green for the money Gold for the honey”

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Yollo

Your pimp hand needs fixin’.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

ASD

There were a few pimps around in my youth. The glamatorization is not warranted. Poverty is a great motivator to do something to change one’s circumstances, or at least it used to be. This is why some looked up to pimps – clothes ( clown attire…lol ), money and women. For a small minority of men this signalled the meaning of life.

But for the majority, it was something odd and funny and tragic.

Yet pimps and other negative types get undying and constant exposure, making the problem generational and unsolvable.

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Dr zipper

LOL permission is a bitch.

kfg

Never tried burning straw men,straw houses don’t burn worth a damn,everything but the stra goes up.

Two heads to one decapitation is bad odds indeed, who opened this can of snakes?

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“There were a few pimps around in my youth. The glamatorization is not warranted . . .Yet pimps and other negative types get undying and constant exposure, making the problem generational and unsolvable. ” Traditional(tm) Japanese culture is actually a social engineering product of the 1920s. As the engineers were themselves egalitarian (within the cultural context of the time and place) militarists, they built the new “traditions” from a grunt’s point of view. The New High Class Man was modelled on the upper class of pimps and Johns. The New High Class Woman was modelled on the upper class of… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Seems like most of the old school pimps went by the wayside with the crack epidemic,then the new wave of stds didn’t help much and the final straw was the net.

This old pimp used to come by the garage to get his ride fixed,and singin charlie brown. He would change the words to his name instead of charlie. The dude was on malt liqueur 24-7s. He would threaten to blackmail the boss about some of the old girls and the boss would pick up a ball peen hammer and tell him shut up and go away.

anon
anon
4 years ago

Always wanted to work for a pimp.
Some girls have all the luck.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Always wanted to work for a pimp.”

Q.E.D.

anon
anon
4 years ago

You got me.
Competition is super steep.
Only the best, most beautiful and brightest little snowflakes can make that cut.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Only the best, most beautiful and brightest little snowflakes can make that cut.

and the female will fight to get in the Alpha harem… because the Pimp is god to her…

anon
anon
4 years ago

Doesn’t always work.
Ma man was stole by a ho with big fake titties and a Brazilian wax job!
He took one look at dat piece a ass dancing’ roun’ the pole and…
Dat big fake tittied bug-eyed bitch stole my pimpin’ man!

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9GppbuStzo

The Bishop discusses “suited and booted” and Roller Game…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yLfgXS8O28

Just for Liz… The Bishop discusses fear, respect and setting boundaries “Maybe you left the stroll… an i toll you NOT to…. Nowuhimean?”

anon
anon
4 years ago

Oh, the pimp that got away…
I have a thigh tattoo to remind me of him always.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
4 years ago

Has this exercise in masturbatory futility finally crossed into male on male role-play territory??

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

finally

Is that a come on????

anon
anon
4 years ago

It depends.
Do you have a grill?
I mean, not an ordinary grill but one with, like….diamonds and roobeez and stuff?

(I’ll have to check out at this point…I’m becoming…too much like myself)

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
4 years ago

@Sentient

Hahaha

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Sentient

Jeezzz…. can you spare me the 21st century minstrel show?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Come on Blax… it’s a fascinating sub culture. So many great Game themes playing out.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” Come on Blax… it’s a fascinating sub culture. So many great Game themes playing out.”

No, it’s a handful of dumb assed, weak dudes. They don’t represent ” game ” at all, they represent half witted morons using Game. But regardless to what they say in front of a camera, many of them beat the shit out of, or kill women. What part of game is that?

Nothing about them is fascinating… well, maybe like going to the zoo is fascinating.

Not Born This Morning
4 years ago

This need for optimal balance could easily become another form of enslavement because it is primarily born out of a need for predictability and a sense of security due to insecurity. The inability or unwillingness to fully accept inevitable change stems from fear of that which is unpredictable. It is this fear, this feeling of being intimidated by life’s inevitable and potential disappointments that paralyzes timid males from experiencing the greatest pleasures life offers. The need for “balance” ostensibly to facilitate “family integrity” is a sign of weakness, another Achilles heel. Your need for “balance” will only be used against… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

… I keep a bullet with a diamond embedded in the tip, just for pimps. Lol.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

” many of them beat the shit out of, or kill women. What part of game is that?”

Well those War Brides didn’t just fall for a clever opener, for starters…

ollieoxenfree1
4 years ago

@Not Born This Morning

“The man who lives his life to maximize his own fulfillment does not subscribe to any such ideal “balance”.”

We can’t exceed the bounds of our reach. We’ve got to accept, all that we desire, isn’t possible.
Hence the compromise and balance referred to.

There are innate and man made desires. Going down the rabbit hole and chasing these cravings to the extent it becomes your life, will lead you on a journey to profound misery.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Without thinking

dr zipper
dr zipper
4 years ago

@blax – the pimps… raw, uncut RP truths being played out: amoral and Platinum rule implementations unfettered by society-at-large pressures (FI) the devotion, loyalty, adoration and possibly *love* given by these women to men not fitting the FI narrative of being nice, egalitarian, non-asshole types is quite disturbing to those men struggling to understand and escape the BP/FI indoctrinations I failed to keep just one woman while doing all the *right* things (as specified by the FI); imagine what these videos can be to the eyes of someone like me; once we get over the feeling of having our noses… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“What better balance is there for you other than your own satisfaction . . .”

What if I am satisfied with mains, broadband, smooth asphalt and public libraries?

“what makes you think your satisfaction is necessarily possible at the dissatisfaction of others?”

How many young boys grow up dreaming of rolling hot asphalt in July?

dr zipper
dr zipper
4 years ago

@nbtm – although your whole last post is excellent, “…you have been brainwashed from infancy to automatically question and govern yourselves by an authority other than yourselves…” really stands out to me as a way to help figuring out our own MPO

btw, you don’t seem as cranky today, but it’s still early 😉

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . really stands out to me as a way to help figuring out our own MPO”

The catch is that everybody has their own.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@kfg

The catch is that everybody has their own.

I like yours better. Think I’m gonna mug you and just take it for my own. P

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