State Control

Reader, constrainedlocus had an interesting thought in the Anger Bias essay comment thread:

“The point is that a feminine-primary social order readily makes this nature a useful tool in dismissing what would otherwise be valid, but uncomfortable Red Pill truth. This anger bias mechanism is a tool for message control.”

What I find interesting is that, from my own personal observations of men in both marriage and long-term relationships, is that this dismissal happens readily and frequently at the micro level in sexual relationships as well. It’s impossible for men not to notice the hypocrisy.

A man need not experience the trivialization of his anger from “the sisterhood” response in the media, in the corporate setting, or even while at a party with other couples.

I think it now common for a wife or long-term girlfriend to assume a certain privilege or “authority” to express and direct her own anger, indignation and outrage rather freely and loudly – whenever she wishes – toward her male companion, without much consequence.

But should her male companion ever lose his composure, raise his voice in anger toward here, then this is either considered “verbal abuse”, an uncalled for overreaction, or his complaint is simply trivialized, ridiculed or disqualified by her, much like she would belittle the tantrum of her own young child.

Who has not witnessed wives scold their husbands in public at a restaurant or at a park like little children for his getting angry at her attitude or behavior? “Don’t you EVER raise your voice at me, mister!”.

I realize this is all about a man’s frame in the relationship.
I know that it is a weak man who tolerates this, while a wise man just ignores or nexts it.

Indeed, it is all about control.

But I still find it fascinating the confidence level with which so many women feel they can just scoff and ridicule the anger of men in relationships overtly, while unilaterally assuming the validity and overriding importance of their own anger whenever convenient for them.

It’s seems like an added bolt-on power up of feminist triumphalism.

Even among ourselves, we men are not supposed to show such angry emotions, at risk of verbal abuse or a humiliating well-deserved fucking beat down. Us dudes are to be these rational Vulcans walking around and doing shit, deleting emotion commands from our code. Because the thought is this: allowing someone else’s behavior to determine your feelings and emotional response is regarded as a sign of male weakness.
Anger should be expressed infrequently, and when expressed, done decisively and with brevity and action.

I think a lot of dudes recovering from blue pill conditioning struggle with this immensely, and are not sure what to do when their anger and frustration is openly minimized, trivialized or negated by their wife or LTR.

In a feminine-primary social order men are expected to show exactly this emotional restraint out of fear for being considered a typical, angry bully for any marginal display of aggressiveness. Yet, men are simultaneously conditioned to be emotionally expressive, emotionally available, in order to be ‘fully actualized’ human beings. They’re taught that strength is weakness and weakness is strength, and that vulnerability and emotionalism makes them whole persons.

Then the narrative changes again as per the needs of the Feminine Imperative. Men who are agreeable and show humility are punished with a removal of women’s sexual interest in them, while more conventionally masculine men, more Alpha, potentially more aggressive men who display outward signs of it – the emotions they’re taught to repress – are more commonly rewarded with women’s sexual interests.

When you have a social structure based on a calculated duplicity and confusion of purpose is it any wonder we see a generation of frustrated Betas with a perceived potential for violence? We’re supposed to delete emotional commands, but also to be more emotionally available and in touch (whatever the fuck that means) with our emotions. What it really comes down to is men are socialized to be automatons whose emotional connection should only apply to those emotions that benefit and complement with the Feminine Imperative and repress the emotions that frighten or potentially threaten the Feminine Imperative. In other words, to become more like women is to become a more perfected ‘man’ by today’s metric.

Blank-slate Feminism

We presently live in a feminine-primary social order that wants to convince us that egalitarian equalism is the normative presumption between men and women. The blank-slate idea is that men are the functional equivalents of women, but, for all the social constructivism, men need to train, learn, be conditioned to constrain the aspects of themselves that conflict with their identities becoming more like women in their emotional nature. If boys and men can be conditioned (or medically treated) to repress every evolved aspect of their maleness that conflicts with aligning with the feminine they can be trained to be ostensibly more ‘equal’ beings. In this mindset, for a man to become more ‘equal’ he must be more feminine.

The normative belief is that boys and men are simply unperfected women, but the subtext to this is that men and women, binary genders, are (or ought to be) functional equivalents. This too is based on the (I believe flawed) Jungian theory of anima and animus; that no matter the sex, every ‘person’ has some counterbalancing elements of male and female nature to them. I believe this is a flawed theory for the simple fact that men and women have never been functional equals from an evolutionary standpoint and modern science is disproving Jung’s (often metaphysical) presumptions with neurological and hormonal (and the functional behaviors that derive from either sex’s innate structures) understanding that didn’t exist in Jung’s time.

I’ve dug into why I have a problem with Jung in the past, but the point I’m making is that, in Jung, the Feminine Imperative and 2nd and 3rd wave feminist agendas have had an incestuous affair with his theories and conflating overwhelmingly disproven blank-slate equalism. This conflation of flawed theory has been the foundation for normalizing the social feminization of boys and men for almost a century now.

With this equalist presumption as a point of origin, the first step is to condition boys for emotional control.

State Control

Emotions have an evolutionary purpose in men and women. We can trace the manifested behaviors of emotional response to survival-specific functions. Oxytocin, for instance, predisposes human beings to feelings of trust and nurturing which primarily affects women most. The effects of testosterone, which men produce 12-17 times the amount that women do, are well known and masculinize the human body. These are just some basic hormonal differences, but the function behind the effects of those hormones (as well as men and women neurological structure) is where we run into conflict with the Feminine Imperative.

For millennia, boys and men have been taught to control their emotive states. This practice in control isn’t something that sprang up a few hundred years ago, we’re talking ancient cultures teaching their young men to resist losing their rational state-control over to an emotionalism that had a potential to get a man into some serious trouble. In some respects this self-control has been a necessary part of men’s upbringing, but also because men and women experience emotional states differently as a result of evolved biological differences. Women tend to process negative emotions differently than men. This processing isn’t due to some socially constructed acculturation, it is the result of the differences in men and women’s mental firmware. This is also a primary reason why making an emotional impact on a woman, positive or negative, is a source of stimulation for them. Men’s arousal may be founded on visual cues, but women are wired for emotional cues.

Likewise, men’s emotive states run a different gamut than that of women. As I mentioned in the Anger Bias essay, men are less predisposed to emotional states that women believe are beneficial in their own experience. In a feminine-correct social state, where women’s experiences define the norm, and in a social constructivist perspective, this amounts to a ‘repression’ of emotions. The idea is that an overly masculine acculturation of boys leads them to holding back the emotions that women tend to build their lives around. The real truth is that men process emotions, and prioritize the expression of those emotions, much more as a result of our own mental firmware than social repression.

That’s not to say there isn’t some social influence over teaching men to learn self-control over those emotions. As I just mentioned, young men have been taught for millennia to have state control by each other, their mentors and their peers, but since the time of the sexual revolution and the rise of a feminine primary social order this state control has been turned into a net negative.

So, in a sense, young men of the last 4-5 generations are caught between pleasing two masters. To be considered the ‘equal’ that feminine-primary egalitarianism would have them be they must first get in touch with their emotions. However, the only emotions they are taught are valid are those that make them more alike and identifying with women; nurturing, crying, expressing vulnerability, etc., essentially anything not characteristic of conventional masculinity. This of course has the effect of women subconsciously perceiving them as they would other women, and not potential intimates. Essentially, this aligning with women’s experience of emotion desexualizes men.

Yet, on the other hand, men are expected to repress their emotions in terms of having a state control that appeals to women’s Hypergamous need for security. Thus, the emotions that might better serve men in a survivalist utility are exactly those which feminine-correct society considers negative or ‘toxic’ and therefore must be controlled. The problem inherent in all of this is that it is feminine-primacy that is defining what men’s experience of emotion is acceptable despite it being the cause of so much of women’s frustration with men.

As the saying goes, women get the men they deserve and the emotive, masculine-confused men of today are simply the result of a social order that’s standardized the female experience as the definition of what blank-slate equalism should be for both sexes – but really as a means of social control for women whose experience is defined by an unsolvable need for certain security.

None of this is to say men ought not to express themselves emotionally or avoid being artists and poets or whatever in favor of some uninspired stoicism, but it is to say that Red Pill aware men should also be aware of the feminine-primary influences informing their expectations of expressing any or no emotion. That may seem like a drawn out way of saying ‘own your emotions’, but it’s my belief that for men to reclaim conventional masculinity it will require them to honestly assess why and how they choose to express or control their emotional states based on their own definition of what is correct from a male perspective, not the female perspective.

371 comments

  1. “Don’t you EVER raise your voice at me, mister!”.

    “Have a good evening.” [smile and backturn]

    that’s what I would do if Mrs. Gamer said that to me in public…I’d leave her stranded…how much more if some other broad told me that

  2. A great explanation of why “Agree and Amplify” are such powerful responses to a woman’s shit-tests and bitchiness.

    “k” is a text response that gets her hamster exploding because it’s so vague, accommodating and dismissive all at the same time.

  3. In the last year I’ve been dealing with death and suicide. I’ve been angry each time I found out. What’s interesting is how raw the rage comes out. The anger of defending women being women on a sexual context that destroys the notion of church and morality. Suicide and anger have a lot in common with the aspects of unplugging. Not expressing anger I’ve found is more toxic and internally damaging. Their is a way to express anger that may make women comfortable. But that isn’t part of expressing that anger honesty and in a state of pimal openness. Two weeks ago my mother told me a story of memory’s that I adored in my childhood. She expressed the the story in a state of disarming calm and it was in france. She ended it with me learning that she hanged herself. It brought great frustration. Because this happened often last year however this year the person is my aunt. That anger came out and it had to. I would self imploded if it didn’t.

  4. In a feminine-correct social state, where women’s experiences define the norm, and in a social constructivist perspective, this amounts to a ‘repression’ of emotions.

    @Rollo

    I assume by your statement that you are pointing out that men are expected to process their emotions to please women by our social expectations…you are not saying that men ought to let their emotions run wild and control men’s behavior, especially when that is counter to men’s interests in pursuing their mission.

    As Robert Greene points out, self-control is the beginning of true power. It feels good to just express your emotions at your pleasure, but that frequently is socially awkward and points at immaturity. That is not to say that emotions aren’t to be enjoyed or used to fuel our focus and drive to pursue our mission.

    I speak as someone who discovered the value of controlling my emotions and not being subject to others triggering my emotions. Again, Greene points out how people with little control over their emotions can be used effectively.

  5. Did Jung actually wrote about men and women being equal? He said that to be “possessed” by anima (aka feminine side of you) is a very unhealthy thing as you become more and more alike to woman – overly emotional and irritable. Ideally you should make truce with that archetype and show emotions in healthy manner as a man.

  6. If you don’t control your emotions, being the man, how is she supposed to maintain the idea of you as being the leader in her life? She will readily accept your emotions if you posit traits which complement being emotional only when she sees it hasn’t broken you but made you stronger. A broken man is worse than a woman in respect to emotional leakage.

  7. Is there a game technique that can make a meltdown look masculine no matter how many people laugh or start looking around awkwardly?

    Maybe pulling out a gun and firing rounds into the ceiling?

  8. “A broken man is worse than a woman in respect to emotional leakage.”
    True with me

  9. @theasdgamer

    Don’t you EVER raise your voice at me, mister!”.

    “Have a good evening.” [smile and backturn]

    Exactly! What led to find redpill just over 2 years ago- via a frantic google search- was the first ever comment that was demeaning in public to me. One thing was very clear after I wasted my time and (more respect unfortunately) arguing with her afterwards, I was going to fix that lack of respect completely or I was going to carefully and ruthlessly plan my exit from the relationship, period! No possible way would I live with that. None!

  10. I have always looked at this new trend as drama, like the tv show the big bang theory,shut that shit off. Drama is state control,when a younger man acts femotional it could be socially steeped into him and a natural state of dislocation,learned response.
    When an older man that was raised in a time when this was gay acts gay and obviously isn’t this is theatrics,a form of social game for acceptance into a fem primary social order.

    Either way get me out of here now and fast or I will fopah WTF? This is where I lose state control,i am not easily impressed,I am easily disgusted by femotional men.

    Strange enough I haven’t noticed any strange reaction to this behavior by women, but they will take notice if I curse the rain on my fresh concrete,or the unexpected stripped bolt.go figger.

  11. “Is there a game technique that can make a meltdown look masculine no matter how many people laugh or start looking around awkwardly?”

    Normal operating procedure of the feminine is to get a Beta male to melt down. To crush a Beta man’s State Control.

    Normal operating procedure of the Alpha Masculine is to not take the bait. To have State Control.

    https://illimitablemen.com/2014/03/09/how-women-argue/

  12. ” . . . be more emotionally available and in touch (whatever the fuck that means)”

    As I understand it, it has to do with synchronizing your quantum state to a higher vibrational level.

    When I figure out whatever the fuck “synchronizing your quantum state” and “higher vibrational level” mean I’ll get back to you.

  13. “When I figure out whatever the fuck “synchronizing your quantum state” and “higher vibrational level” mean I’ll get back to you.”

    The way I understand this is you wash colors alike and the move them all to one side for the spin cycle.

  14. ” . . . move them all to one side for the spin cycle.”

    Probably best not to do that when someone is trying to sleep.

  15. I stopped in the bar one day to visit with Mrs.Box. l like to sit next to the server station,free olives and good company as gamblers don’t generally socialize. There is this cute young cocktail talking to me while Mrs. box makes up her order, then this guy comes over he’s erratic waving his hands and gesturing,I do a quick check,he is wearing the company name tag,vest black slacks so he belongs ,ok. The guy blurts out ” Oh my god,nobody has served the pit in so long” then leaves in the same erratic fashion.

    I asked who was that?everybody is like who was who,I say that guy,does he want drinks in the pit? Oh he’s the beverage manager,WTF? Why doesn’t he just come over and say we need a server in the pit? does he think they won’t understand? Doesn’t anyone else think this is strange? Get me out of here!

  16. women get the men they deserve

    Which is why they have to get what the want and need on the down-low. The man “they deserve” is what I’ve come to term as “man-things” – i.e., not really a man in any way, They are an ATM – women seek out the men they want on the sly. I learned that long ago, catch a woman’s eye when she’s at a table with bf/hubby and you’ll find her at some point next to you without bf around. Enjoy what is offered and let the bf deal with the consequences. As long as there are man-things that accept this, it will continue. Fine by me – I enjoy the youth and attractiveness of the young one, the man-things get the dreggs.

    As to anger, I arch an eye-brow. If one of the women that are part of my core annoy me, they know the arch of the eyebrow is not what they want and move to assuage the situation immediately. If not, no problem – we have no contracts, and just as they are free to leave, so am I, and I will avail myself of that prerogative if they annoy me to that point. If any of them get to that point, their days are numbered. No need to get angry – enjoy them as they will be gone soon enough. Also, I get quiet – as one said when she saw me angry – she used the term “deadly quiet”. She saw it, but it wasn’t directed at her – that was enough for her. She been with me the longest of my core-women, she knows me best.

    Women are all replaceable – even if she is perfect in every way – time will remove that all too soon… So enjoy that moment, but don’t hang around till you see it slip away and the sad thing that is left trying to get back what they have lost. All of the women in my core group are young, but that isn’t their primary attribute, they also have a very low N-count, the better to not have to deal with bad habits, and they have a willingness to please, and a major submissive streak – that’s it… I’m not looking for someone to “grow old with” – I’m already much older than they are, I’m looking for a woman to enjoy in all ways. That is her job to please me – angering me doesn’t please me and she would have failed.

    So don’t put up with the the BS the media pushes – you’re a man worthy of nothing less than what you want. Kick them to the curb and get a replacement. If you find that difficult – you need to work on yourself first. Right now you put up with unacceptable behavior because you do not believe you are worthy of more. It is that simple – work on yourself..

    I think that is why the media and establishment in DC hate Trump – he’s a man (they are all man-things). So they are like hyena’s trying to tear down a mighty Lion. But they haven’t yet realized that he is the lion at the center – there are much worse things circling them and if they aren’t careful, they will fall victim one by one before they realize they never really had the power they thought they did… The 2nd amendment ensured the power lay in the hands of the people, and for the last 8 years, people have been stocking up. Preparing…

    Trump is their last peaceful emissary. If necessary we’ll defend our Lion that has their attention for the moment, till it’s too late for them to do anything but pass-on… This past election was the last time a lot of us will vote from a booth.. They are like the antifa in their dark masks, hiding – come at me, I’ll put you in the ground, and hold my head high while doing it. I won’t hide, and I won’t stop till you are a thing of the past… You’ll see exactly what angry men are capable of – that is what created this country 250 years ago, maybe it’s time for like minded ANGRY men to put it back on the course the Founding Father’s set for it…

  17. When you have a social structure based on a calculated duplicity and confusion of purpose is it any wonder we see a generation of frustrated Betas with a perceived potential for violence? We’re supposed to delete emotional commands, but also to be more emotionally available and in touch (whatever the fuck that means) with our emotions. What it really comes down to is men are socialized to be automatons whose emotional connection should only apply to those emotions that benefit and complement with the Feminine Imperative and repress the emotions that frighten or potentially threaten the Feminine Imperative. In other words, to become more like women is to become a more perfected ‘man’ by today’s metric.

    This is whatever the fuck that means:

    Stage II of Female Stages of Manipulation. Calculated duplicity and confusion. Female manipulation to get men more emotionally available and in touch is merely an attempt to get that man to open up his playbook to the woman in her Frame and her Game. The Beta Blue pill Playbook reveal is a killer for desire. The Alpha Playbook is by definition held secret.

    More emotionally available = communicate with me. Give me your Game Plan and let me read your Play Book.

    Female Stages of Manipulation as defined by the book Practical Female Psychology by South, Franco, et. al.

    1. Testing the Male (Shit testing)
    2. Seeking Communication
    3. Putting him to Work (Putting in him in a double bind, in total disregard for the man’s
    psychological and material interests
    4. Evolutionary Selfishness * (see footnote, she’s making exit plans)
    5. Self-Determination (Eat, Pray, Love)

    Seeking Communication “Open up to me, please.”

    Once a woman has tested the male, and is relatively sure that he is strong enough to serve her purposes, her concern begins to revolve around making the man serve her exclusively. Many men who are relatively strong and pass the tests of the first stage, fail to understand the meaning of this second stage. This stage is extremely difficult for the average man to detect. It is instinctually and often unconsciously masked by the woman as a purely innocent attempt to “communicate” with the male.

    It is a feature of the feminine psyche to appreciate communication above all else, but from an evolutionary point of view what the female of our species is really doing at this stage is using language to befuddle her partner, which will hopefully cause him to serve her and her purposes.
    This stage is extremely important to the success or failure of couple relationships. Couple therapy fails so frequently because it tends to disregard the real, evolutionary meaning of this stage. A very common pitfall for couples is when the woman starts to feel that the man is displaying an inability or unwillingness to “communicate properly” with the woman. Modem couples therapy almost invariably places the blame for this supposed lack of communication squarely on the man’s shoulders.

    In the first stage, the woman has screened out the weaker males; the man was specifically chosen by the woman for a relationship. In this second stage, the woman acts as if she is seeking deeper communication with the man. A strong man will start to sense that an attempt is being made to weaken him, and he will then usually react with certain predictable behavior patterns. He may get angry or he may withdraw. Arguments that seem to the man to be based on nothing logical at all will often occur at this stage.

    *Footnote:

    Female Evolutionary Selfishness

    “I am never satisfied no matter what you do or how hard you try.” This stage begins once the woman has succeeded in having her formerly-strong male open up to her emotionally. In this stage, any communication with her male partner is only for the purpose of deriving something useful for her and her children. At this stage she will exhibit a total disregard for the man’s psychological and material interests. The man will be put under the power of a strong and constant psychological double bind, along the lines of: “If you don’t open up to me I am not satisfied. You don’t communicate with me.”

    simultaneous with

    “As soon as you open up to me I will use the information you provide in a totally selfish way for my own needs.” Either way, the end result for the male is usually guilt, shame, or confusion, finally giving way to resentment and anger. Assuming he takes her seriously — and most men do — he will get caught into an ongoing psychological mechanism, which will make him weaker and weaker, with terribly-negative results for her sexual attraction towards him. At this stage, he is no longer the strong male she admired at the beginning.–Practical Female Psychology,
    Female Stages of Manipulation

  18. Agree and amplify. Especially if delivered with a little comedic timing. Takes the edge off everyone.

    If for some reason I’m really pissed, I’ve been known to look away from her for an awkward minute . . . then order her to go to her room (or the car, or whatever). I don’t yell. I just tell her to do it and she complies. She always reappears 5 minutes later, and when she does, it’s like there’s catnip tied around my neck. Complete change of attitude.

    This was one scenario I struggled with early in my marriage. Had a couple experiences at corporate outings where she misbehaved. Since then, it seems like I’ve hit upon a good behavioral ratio, where she experiences just enough dread to stay in line like a pussy cat.

    It’s like they say, your woman is the oldest teenager in the house.

  19. “Normal operating procedure of the feminine is to get a Beta male to melt down. To crush a Beta man’s State Control.”

    “…social control for women whose experience is defined by an unsolvable need for certain security.”

    ——————

    Just talked with girlfriend.

    She told me (paraphrasing): “I thought when I had sex with you it would mean enough to you that you would never want any other girls. I thought that it meant something to you, that it was special to you, and that I would be enough for you. It’s insulting and degrading to me that you would want to have sex with other girls after I had sex with you.”

    ….

    “It’s insulting and degrading to me that you would want to have sex with other girls after I had sex with you.”

  20. I never understood the “agree and amplify” thing, until I recently used it, as an instinctive response to a shit test. Now I get it: The subcommunication is that I see this as completely nonthreatening. A little absurdist comic timing helps with this. It is a “speak little, say a lot” tactic.

    And it sure helps to know, thanks to TRP, that it is in some way a sign that I am doing things right. I used to be the proverbial nice guy who would never get shit tested.

  21. @Softek

    You can swap out the “I thought” (rationally) for “I felt” (emotionally).

    And you can move toward Alpha. (see above @8:35 pm Re: Stage 4 Female Evolutionary Selfishness)

    You do realize you already have a mother so your girlfriend doesn’t have to treat you like her son right?

    From Alanis Morissette’s Perfect (which is a mother talking to her children, but Morrisette meant more about the pressures of society, which will love you as long as you’re perfect. By pressures of Society, also implicit is the Feminine Correct society. And Morissette was more of a logical masculine type.)

    Sometimes is never quite enough
    If you’re flawless, then you’ll win my love
    Don’t forget to win first place
    Don’t forget to keep that smile on your face

    Be a good boy
    Try a little harder
    You’ve got to measure up
    And make me prouder

    How long before you screw it up
    How many times do I have to tell you to hurry up
    With everything I do for you
    The least you can do is keep quiet….

    P.S. Any late night songs I quote are stuff I happen to listen to while attempting to fall asleep (which I readily do, except when I have a peak experience day).

  22. Shit Softek, Here’s another in my playlist that just came up:

    Worried About
    Lissie

    I’m too worried ’bout what you’re doing
    Are you worried ’bout what I’m doing too
    What ya doin’ to me
    Why can’t you see
    I’m too worried ’bout what you’re doing
    Are you worried ’bout what I’m doing too
    What ya doing to me
    Wanna be free
    And who could blame you
    I made it so complicated
    If I just drain you
    ‘Til working it out
    It’ss over rated
    But why are we so blind to see
    That truth and love
    They could overcome
    Come, come, come, come
    I’m too worried ’bout what you’re doing
    You’re not worried ’bout what I’m doing too
    What you’re doing to me
    Wanna be free
    I’m too worried ’bout what you’re doin’ doin’
    You’re not worried ’bout what I’m doing too
    What you’re doing to me
    Why can’t you see?
    That I can’t change you
    Nor was that my intention
    Please explain
    Your earnest words
    Are just shucking and jiving
    You like to see your thumb on me
    Just checking in
    To make it begin again
    ‘Gain ‘gain ‘gain and gain ‘gain ‘gain and again
    ‘Gain ‘gain ‘gain and gain ‘gain ‘gain and again
    And for the last four years of my life I’ve thought about you pretty much
    Every fifteen seconds
    Last four years of my life I’ve thought about you pretty much
    Every fifteen seconds
    Last four years of my life I’ve thought about you
    What are you thinkin’ what you reckon?
    Last four years of my life I’ve thought about you pretty much
    Every fifteen seconds
    Last four years of my life
    Last four years of my life
    Last four years of my life
    Pretty much every fifteen seconds
    Oh my heart, my heart’s gonna break again
    Oh my god my god won’t forsake again
    Oh mercy I want to be taken in
    Oh mercy
    Oh my heart, my heart’s gonna break again
    Oh my god my god won’t forsake again
    Oh mercy I want to be taken in
    Oh
    I’m too worried ’bout what you’re doing
    You’re not worried about what I’m doing too
    What you’re doing to me
    Honey why can’t you see
    I’ll stop worrying ’bout what you’re doin’ doin’
    Cause you’re not worried bout what I’m doing too
    And then you will see
    What it was like to be me
    Oh my heart, my heart’s gonna break again
    Oh my god my god won’t forsake again
    Oh mercy I want to be taken in
    Oh mercy
    Oh my heart, my heart’s gonna break again
    Oh my god my god won’t forsake again
    Oh mercy I want to be taken in
    Taken in

    End Lyrics

    This is a woman decrying that you are not setting limits on her.

    Red Pill truths with Blue Pill Ideals in play.

  23. “Did Jung actually wrote about men and women being equal? He said that to be “possessed” by anima (aka feminine side of you) is a very unhealthy thing as you become more and more alike to woman – overly emotional and irritable.”

    That is correct Rich. When Jung was in a bad or unstable mood he would say he was in the anima. He also stated that when men fall in love they become possessed by the anima.

    The thing is that Jung was all about dreams, and in any males dreams you will find alot of female characters. Jung took it that these female representations in a mans unconscious represent his emotional side. Its not that a guy have one single concrete female inside him, its a cluster of emotional tendencies and traits, which he named anima. He came to this theory from studying his patients dreams, and thats where the concept originates.
    He talked alot about the negative mother complex in men etc.
    I never got the impression that he promoted equality between the sexes, and Ive read a good bit of his work.
    So Rollo if you are reading this, please read up on Jung or stop bashing him, he was just as reasonable and intelligent as yourself.

  24. Never understood where you take the idea that the problem comes from Jung. The Animus & Anima thing doesn´t in the least mean that men should be/are equal to women. It´s like claiming that a black car with a white roof is the same as a white car with a black roof.

  25. It’s fun to fuck with my wife’s emotions.

    In public, if she is being disrespectful, a simple “how DARE you speak to me like that?!” will often suffice. She doesn’t want witnesses to her being unreasonable to me.

    At home, if she is overly emotional, I tell her that if she wants to speak to me, she needs to calm down and stop acting like an adult, not a child. I am willing to discuss things rationally, not emotionally.

    On the occasions where she is trying to get a rise out of me I will blunt her attack by stating in a low voice that I am too angry to speak right now.

    Unfortunately, I revealed some red pill truth to her inadvertently. When she asked why I don’t “communicate” with her and express my emotions I told her that I’m done doing that – it seems to be a one way thing where only I share things, only to be browbeaten as to why my feelings are “wrong”. I suppose the upside is that she has never asked since.

    “Of course I have feelings. I just don’t let them control me.”

  26. @SJF

    If we’re looking for appropriate songs for the theme of this essay I would submit U2’s “Numb” as a worthy candidate.

    “Don’t Project, (masculinity?)
    Don’t Connect (male bonding)
    Protect (nurture)
    Don’t Expect (don’t be assertive)
    Suggest” (seek permission)

    All the while you have Bono delivering the line.

    “Too much is not enough.”

  27. Awesome post Rollo. A big thing I’ve noticed on this topic is how this type of “emotional conditioning” not only affects intersexual relationships, but also male-to-male friendships as well. I’ve outlined it in more detail in this post (https://alphajedi.com/2017/05/18/friends-like-these/) but since I don’t want to eat up a whole page in the comments section, I’ll get more to the point: When you socialize men to relate like women, they relate to other women like women and also to other men. How this affects friendship with men is that suddenly men find themselves having less “genuine” male friends who tend to be more catty and involved in drama…or essentially female friends that happen to be in male bodies. Also these “friends” tend to be quick to attempt to “correct” any traditional masculine behaviors.

    Women socialize by complimenting each other and not really meaning it, while men socialize by insulting each other and not really meaning it. But coming from a fem-centric view, it’s easy to see why the male form of socialization is “wrong” because insulting each other is not being sensitive to feelings. But for men it’s essential, it’s the male shit test: will you be pushed around or will you give me a run for my money? It’s how men socialize, figure out the pecking order, but also it’s a way we push each other and show a degree of care.

  28. @Rollo:

    “Oxytocin, for instance, predisposes human beings to feelings of trust and nurturing which primarily affects women most.”

    It also apparently predisposes human beings to in-group favoritism (among which one would include women as the in-group with men out)… Any thoughts about that?

  29. own your emotions

    This is so important for men to do. The betafication that happens to a man in an LTR will drain the young boy’s emotions and replace them with an old man’s resignation. These days, it seems the only venue for a young man to express aggression and deep emotions is thru extreme sports, like rock climbing and mountain biking. These are the equivalent of hunting and war – conqueror your fear. Kill or be killed.

    But we do this in isolation, mostly away from the women-folk, so when we come back home at the end of the day scarred, bleeding, and battered it looks to her as if the boys have been playing and need to be scolded and told to clean up. She missed our brave defending against the hoards that would overtaken our tribe. She still sees boys.

    There’s got to be a way to not just express ourselves in isolation amongst men (although that is a good thin in itself). Out primal emotions need to be out in public for all to experience and benift from.

  30. Wife has sometimes accused me of not having much emotion. My response is usually something like this:

    I’m a man. Men are powerful and dangerous. If men didn’t control our emotions there’d be dead bodies everywhere. We don’t have the luxury of being out of control.

  31. Yeah, my wife is on her way to being my ex partly because of stuff like this. We were dealing with a serious situation last week, she just kept bitching, provoking, etc. in the course of dealing with it, and I finally blew my stack and yelled at her. Of course, she was not at all open to the suggestion that the way she was talking to me may have been a problem, said I was being too “sensitive.”

    She was following the same MO her parents use. They run their big fucking mouths, provoke people in the process, and if you react in any way, they distort what actually happened and somehow the whole situation is your fault. Gaslighting 101.

    Although there was some catharsis in getting it out my system in the one situation (it had been building for a while), I don’t want it to happen again. Divorce attorneys live for that kind of thing. In future similar situations, my strategy with be either agree & amplify or to say nothing. Catharsis will have to come from getting rid of crap or getting the house ready for eventual sale, so if the day comes I say fuck it and file for divorce, I’m pretty much ready to hit the road.

  32. O/T

    R.I.P. Chris Cornell.

    Damn.

    The Reaper has been lifting heavy guys. Don’t count the days, make the days count.

  33. I forgot to add on my post on expressing emotions rock-climbing and mountain biking – to often I hear young men yelling and screaming like girls in the woods on the hard sections of trails, thus ruining it for others. This seems to be increasing in the past 10 years or so.

  34. Somebody That I Used To Know
    Fuck I hate that blue pill song. It is a good one though.

  35. @Softek

    “It’s insulting and degrading to me that you would want to have sex with other girls after I had sex with you.”

    “So, it’s Ok for you to have sex with lots of men, but not Ok for me to have sex with lots of women?”

    Her response will be to attempt to redirect the conversation and to try to shame you for your sex drive. Laugh at that and redirect the convo back to your point.

    “Lol, like I’m gonna buy that. So, it’s clear that your position is that you can do whatever the hell you want, but you want me closeted. Lol, naaah, I’m not down with that.” [you must not get angry…just stay cool and laugh at her like she’s a silly kid sister]

    Next, she will attempt to bargain and try to find out what she needs to do for you to be exclusive to her…you can use this to train her to mateguard herself.

    She: “What if I don’t do GNO?”

    You: “That’s a start.”

    She: “What else do you want?”

    You: “Think about how to remove other men from your life. How would you do that?”

    She: …

    Take a break from the discussion whenever you feel like you need to think about the negotiation.

    Your girl is gonna accuse you of stifling her social access to her male “friends” (orbiters or alphas). You tell her that she can be around other men whenever you’re at the event with her.

    Remember the Reagan Rule of Trust: “Trust, but verify.” She should have no objection to you checking her cell, fb page, etc. If she does, that’s a red flag.

  36. @TheLastCoyote
    A&A is the way to go, along with some serious dread, like just getting up and leaving for the night. Coming in a 4:00am. I wished I did some of that active dread when in my LTR instead of blowing it up.

    Expect some serious shit-storm afterwords though.

  37. What John Locke meant by “blank slate” was not that people are a blob of formless protoplasm that could be molded in to anything. “Blank slate” was a term used to describe the empty intellectual state of the mind before it had any data stored in it, called “experience.” John Locke was trying to argue against the notion that people were born knowing particular things, not that men could be women and women could be men. The male brain and the female brain don’t know anything until the data of experience is input to it, and then the male processes it the way a male does and a female processes the data in her own unique illogical way.

  38. “The male brain and the female brain don’t know anything until the data of experience is input to it, and then the male processes it the way a male does and a female processes the data in her own unique illogical way.”

    Are you actually going to try to sneak that one by Rollo Tomassi? Do you even read Rollo, bro?

  39. ” . . . the male processes it the way a male does and a female processes the data in her own unique illogical way.”

    And how do they know how to do this processing?

    One of the things a newborn knows is how to learn a language from scratch. The interesting bit is that this innate knowledge goes away at 12 years of age. Linguistic skills that are not learned by then are not learned.

  40. >>>>One of the things a newborn knows is how to learn a language from scratch. The interesting bit is that this innate knowledge goes away at 12 years of age. Linguistic skills that are not learned by then are not learned.<<<

    The ability to process language is not the same as the language itself. A person can grow up learning English by experience but needs to learn how to speak French by additional experience. A computer is a "blank slate" that is ready and able to process the data input to it. A computer is not a formless blob that can be programmed to do things it was not designed and built and enabled to do. I can play games and surf the interwebs with my computer, but it cannot make me a sandwich unless I hook it up to a robot system that is capable of doing so and then programming it with algorithms to facilitate it.

    The question of "how do they know how to do the processing" is a very complex one which is what makes the issue so interesting. I'm not a frigging genius that knows all about this, all I'm saying is that "blank slate" was not considered to be what it has become as an idea. Which would prove my point and John Locke's point: We are not born knowing what "blank slate" means, we have to learn what it means or in this case make up a new meaning for it.

    How do we know how to do the processing? Maybe we don't. Maybe we are idiots who never learned simple logic because we slept through philosophy class.

  41. >>>>Are you actually going to try to sneak that one by Rollo Tomassi? Do you even read Rollo, bro?<<<<

    I love Rollo Tomassi. I love "The Rational Male." I thank God every day for sending men like him in to this fuct up stupid world to make it a better place. I take what Rollo writes very seriously, I am obviously drawn to what he has to say or else I wouldn't be here.

    But I still have a compulsion to think for my self. I still take responsibility for what I actually believe, and stand ready to give an explanation for why I believe it, as best as I am able. And I'm eager to refine my opinions based on new information and superior reasoning as the case may be. I don't think I've reached an end point to my wisdom. Maybe it's because I still feel so much like an ignorant blank slate intellectually who is hungry and thirsty for more knowledge and more understand and more wisdom that I am comfortable with calling the human intellectual condition "blank slatism."

  42. Boxcar
    I never understood the “agree and amplify” thing, until I recently used it, as an instinctive response to a shit test. Now I get

    It is like having a cheat code in a game, or a root password, isn’t it? Further proof is that you do not have to believe in A&A for it to work. Sure, it works better if you do it with utter confidence, but unlike some “magic” you don’t have to bahLEEVE to make it work.

    The proof of Game is found in the doing. Like some other things.

  43. I look at blank slateism as cookie cutter education.

    Think of a ginger bread cookie,now you can frost on a bikini and a cowboy hat,a gun in one hand and a doll in the other.

    The falicy lies in people aren’t cookies,most are born with sex organs and the acompanying endocrin systems,brain functions and predispositions to the inherent sexuality.

    The blank slateists believe that you can paint it on with icing like a bikini with muscles or a gun with tits,and this is all gender really amounts to.

  44. jsolobakken
    The male brain and the female brain don’t know anything until the data of experience is input to it

    Are the hormones testosterone or estrogen “data of experience”?

  45. Blaximus
    The Reaper has been lifting heavy guys.

    You mean Roger Ailes, amirite?

    Don’t count the days, make the days count.

    Truth.

  46. stuffinbox
    The blank slateists believe that you can paint it on with icing like a bikini with muscles or a gun with tits,and this is all gender sex really amounts to.

    FIFY.
    “Gender” is a linguistic term. German has three genders: masculine, feminine and neuter. Spanish, French, Italian etc. have two masculine and feminine. They are constructs. That’s why the feministas like to use “gender” because it plays right into their blank slate politics.

    Sex is what we are, male or female. XY or XX.

  47. ” A person can grow up learning English by experience but needs to learn how to speak French by additional experience.”

    That must be pretty awkward for the French kids.

  48. The blank slatism of which John Locke and I speak is not about gender or sex. Do you deny the principle of “Garbage in, garbage out?” If people are taught bullshit, such as that surgery and hormone therapy can make a man a woman and a woman a man, then they will have bullshit in their heads, and if they don’t know how logic and reason and common sense work, they are going to believe the bullshit they have been programmed to believe. So, you’re wrong saying that blank slateists believe a coat of paint can turn a man in to a woman and vice versa. You’re misunderstanding what the guy who is associated with inventing blank slatism was getting at. It’s like a straw man argument. Let me repeat: Blank slate is not “infinitely malleable.” Blank slate means specific data must be absorbed after the construction of the slate in order for the slate to know something. One example Locke used to express his idea was how baby birds learn their songs. The baby bird hears the song, and practices singing it, imperfectly at first, and then eventually the baby bird is able to sing the song he learned from his elder bird brethren perfectly. The baby bird is born with the ability to learn songs and sing them, he is not born with the actual song itself in his little bird brain. Does that help explain at all? The terms “blank slate” and “infinitely malleable” have been confused. I didn’t understand that was the problem before, but now I do know and I’ll use the idea to make my point about this in the future. My mind was very much blank and empty before but now it has something useful in it. Thanks.

  49. I want Jung and Freud to be brought back as zombies so they can AMOG eachother at a dive bar.

  50. >>>>kfg

    May 18, 2017 at 8:48 am ” A person can grow up learning English by experience but needs to learn how to speak French by additional experience.” That must be pretty awkward for the French kids.

    That’s pretty funny, unless you’re serious, which means you don’t get that the French kids have to learn English if they want to speak it. Shirley you don’t mean to say that French kids are born knowing how to speak French just because they are born in France with French genetics? And yes, I just called you Shirley.

  51. I am too busy and probably too lazy to go trawl the web starting with Medline, but neuroplasticity plus my own experience tells me that how a man uses his brain will in time affect the structure of his brain. Take a liberal arts major who works mainly with words, move him to some technical field where he works mainly with numbers / equations and see if his brain changes. We’d need fine grain MRI’s before, during and after.

    We are constantly rewiring. That’s called “learning”. It happens on top of the existing structure of the brain created by genetics AND experience AND exogenous forces such as hormones.

    Looking at “state” as a sub part of “frame”, I spy with my little eye that a man can either be in his own frame, or in someone else’s frame. Whose frame should I be in?

  52. @SJF

    You know I never realized something, that my main complaint with game has been about what people call “AMOGing”. It’s embarrassing but I’ve never been able to make the brain to fist connection before.

    So, dumb little cocks/rivals AMOG not because they actually think they’re better than me, but as a play to get me to reveal my hand.

    I would always just brush this phenomenon off as something “Those stupid chimps” do when they don’t get enough bananas.

    I……man I REALLY didn’t get that all the subtle shit guys do, it’s plays to get me to reveal my hand. It’s AMOGing.

    FUCK!!

  53. “That’s why the feministas like to use “gender” because it plays right into their blank slate politics.”

    And using their language of art puts you on their rhetorical home court. After more than 50 years of injecting that crap into the cultural zeitgeist that shit runs deep, but it is necessary to spend the time and effort to root it out, or you will find yourself unconsciously thinking in their terms.

  54. >>>>Are the hormones testosterone or estrogen “data of experience”?<<<

    Hormones and emotion are not information, they effect how we feel about the information, and how we feel about our understanding of the information. Men and women live in the same environment, and therefore are exposed to the same raw facts about it, but how men and women feel about it all and how they see themselves as fitting in to the world and what they would like to do in the world is very much a matter of the context in which they see and interpret the raw facts. I just read somewhere that women will readily wake up to the sound of a crying baby but men are more likely to sleep right through the noise. Just because the slate is blank does not mean that the slate has no feelings or innate inclinations and disinclinations. Also, I'm inclined to believe that blank slates have agency and can embrace one purpose over another. But the slate still needs specific information in order to know the difference between one purpose and another.

  55. >>>>Mind if I ask? What is your point again?<<<<

    The honorable term "Blank Slate" associated with John Locke has been confused with the wicked and deceitful idea of "infinite malleability." I only just realized this is the concise way to express the point, so I apologize for not starting off clean and clear about it. I was still a very blank slate, you see. I had to figure it out, and with the help of the intelligent and insightful comments in response to me I feel I'm a lot smarter now than I was a few moments ago.

  56. “I just read somewhere that women will readily wake up to the sound of a crying baby but men are more likely to sleep right through the noise.”

    This is a load of crap,the one who is sleeping lighter will wake up first.The woman is more likely to push the responsibility over to the man,see solipsistic.

  57. “Shirley you don’t mean to say that French kids are born knowing how to speak French just because they are born in France with French genetics?”

    Shirley I mean to say that there is a language “instinct.” With the addendum that it has a shelf life. No language “instinct,” no language, no matter the experience.

  58. The blank slatism of which John Locke and I speak is not about gender or sex.

    John Locke lived centuries ago, so he did not know that the brain literally is shaped by testosterone or estrogen. You have the huge advantage of living now with a world of information at your fingertips.

    Men tend to have better spatial visualization because of their brain structure. Their brain structure is affected by testosterone. Testosterone is not “experience” in the Lockean sense, although thanks to the criminally stupid SJW’s who are allowing 4 year old boys to decide to be “girls” we will be finding out what long term effects of estrogen on boys brains are. It will be ugly.

    Girls develop earlier, and are more verbal, because of estrogen and its effects on their brains. Again, this is not the external effect Locke is referring to, he would probably have laughed at anyone who claimed a man could become a woman just by putting on a dress. But that is the modern blank slatist viewpoint.

    The modern world is full of blank slatism. Feminism is all about it: “Women and men are just the same except women can have baybees”, which leads to women cluttering up fire stations and cop shops and combat units. It’s false. It’s risible.

    Do you deny the principle of “Garbage in, garbage out?”

    That’s not a principle. If you want to discuss finite state automata, abstract algebras, languages and error handling that’s interesting but not relevant. Humans are not computers.

    If people are taught bullshit, such as that surgery and hormone therapy can make a man a woman and a woman a man, then they will have bullshit in their heads, and if they don’t know how logic and reason and common sense work, they are going to believe the bullshit they have been programmed to believe.

    Welcome to Rational Male 001, that’s a good first step.

    So, you’re wrong saying that blank slateists believe a coat of paint can turn a man in to a woman and vice versa.

    That is exactly what the modern blank slatists believe. It’s why referring to Bruce Jenner as “Bruce” is now hatespeech to many people. Because of the blank slate, self-idenification is more important than boring old genetics.

    You’re misunderstanding what the guy who is associated with inventing blank slatism was getting at. It’s like a straw man argument. Let me repeat: Blank slate is not “infinitely malleable.” Blank slate means specific data must be absorbed after the construction of the slate in order for the slate to know something.

    The blank slate is older than Locke. Aristotle, the stoics, Aquinas, etc. all wrestled with it.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Tabula_rasa

    Excerpt:
    As understood by Locke, tabula rasa meant that the mind of the individual was born blank, and it also emphasized the freedom of individuals to author their own soul. Individuals are free to define the content of their character—but basic identity as a member of the human species cannot be altered. This presumption of a free, self-authored mind combined with an immutable human nature leads to the Lockean doctrine of “natural” rights. Locke’s idea of tabula rasa is frequently compared with Thomas Hobbes’s viewpoint of human nature, in which humans are endowed with inherent mental content—particularly with selfishness.

    John Locke didn’t know that about 50% of behavior is inherited. The many modern studies of twins have shown exactly that.

    jsolbakken
    The terms “blank slate” and “infinitely malleable” have been confused. I didn’t understand that was the problem before, but now I do know and I’ll use the idea to make my point about this in the future. My mind was very much blank and empty before but now it has something useful in it. Thanks.

    Very good.

  59. stuffinbox
    You meant what I knew,if sex makes you understand it better than sex it is.

    The words we use affect the way we think. So it matters what words we use.
    Using “gender” is playing in the feminists sandbox. Using “sex” is playing in reality.

  60. @Yollo Comanche May 18, 2017 at 8:56 am

    Glad I could help with that reveal. It is called a shit test for a reason. Women shit test men for a reason to see if they qualify. Men test men and give them shit but don’t really mean it. (They do it to check honor/rank/merit). Women complement other women, but they don’t really mean it.

    Combine that reveal about men testing other men in a male space, with women asking men to be more emotionally available and in touch (i.e. communicate like a woman) here:

    https://therationalmale.com/2017/05/17/state-control/#comment-198129

    Then you can see the fog (tricks) from both sides now.

  61. “Hormones and emotion are not information . . .”

    It must be hard to live without a sense of smell and taste. I note also that the information “the metabolic supercharger is engaged and the nitrous tank turned on” is information that is conveyed in large part through emotional response, and it is, at times, good information to have available.

    ” I only just realized this is the concise way to express the point . . .”

    I fully understood your point.

  62. jsolbakken
    Hormones and emotion are not information, they effect how we feel about the information, and how we feel about our understanding of the information

    Hormones do far more than that. Men’s brains are physically wired differently than women’s because of T vs. E. Men perceive reality differently than women do because of T vs. E.
    We know more than Locke did, more than he possibly could have known. He had observation and reason, but did not know that men’s brains are physically different from women’s, for example.

    Also, I’m inclined to believe that blank slates have agency and can embrace one purpose over another. But the slate still needs specific information in order to know the difference between one purpose and another.

    Please read the Infogalactic entry on Tabula Rasa. You may be caught up in an “is” vs. “ought” issue.

  63. @AR

    Did the fems invent the word gender? or did they jack it?

    TOP DEFINITION
    gender
    A reflection of one’s self-image as relating to sexual nature. There are, in general, three genders:

    1) Male
    2) Female
    3) Something you made up one day to feel speshul. E.g. “semiqueer-bi-spirit-shemale”. May use made-up pronouns such as “xe”, “ze”, “schlee”, “nflgsufgshuihousu”, etc. Anyone who finds this ridiculous is a bigot and is literally Hitler.
    Can you believe that Facebook doesn’t feature “transquasi-neutermale” in its gender selection?! This is making me sick. This is making it harder for me to achieve self-realization and be myself!

  64. @Stuffin’ Box:

    They jacked it; specifically because it did not mean “sex,” and so they could rhetorically disassociate “gender identity” from biological sex.

    An irony I have pointed out before, given other matters of Gender Theory(tm), is that people do not have gender, they have sex. Objects have gender, so assigning a “gender identity” is to objectify a person.

  65. “1) Male
    2) Female”

    Those are sexes. The genders are “masculine” and “feminine.” Note that “male” and “masculine” don’t at all mean the same thing.

    The difference in meaning is critical to the assertion that Bruce Jenner, as a feminine presenting male, is, as a matter of fact, a “woman.”

  66. @Stuffin

    It’s similar to how people would impersonate the rich and famous or drop names like crazy to signal to others that they weren’t brought up licking the shit out of other people’s asses…..unless they’re trying to cozy up with other charlatans, then it’s a chum-bum buffet.

  67. @SJF

    So women don’t reject a man because he UNDER qualifies. She rejects him because she OVER qualifies.

    Mind blown……

  68. “She rejects him because she OVER qualifies.”

    Until the point where she is dealing with a man for whom it is impossible for her to over qualify. Then a switch gets thrown.

    A woman’s SMV is analog, smooth and continuous along the spectrum, but a man’s is quantized. When the quantum jump is made the energy state changes and funny things can happen.

  69. stuffinbox

    Did the fems invent the word gender? or did they jack it?

    They jacked it, just like they jacked a lot of other words. Stuff happens. Got to stay alert.

    Listening to old big band music a few years back, a live recording, the announcer said something about “This fine ballroom, full of gay dancing”. In 1930-whatever “gay” didn’t mean “homosexual”, it was closer to “happy”. Just another example of wordjacking.

  70. OT trivia, just because it has come to mind:

    “Caitlyn” is pronounced kat-LEEN. Hooked on Phonics don’t work for shit when English speakers read Gaelic spellings.

  71. Hormones and emotion are not information, they effect how we feel about the information, and how we feel about our understanding of the information.

    So, feelings aren’t information about our hormonal state? For example, when I had feelings about a girl, I couldn’t use that info to deduce that I had had a spike in oxytocin?

    Do you think that the only info is info from books and the five senses?

  72. kfg
    “Caitlyn” is pronounced kat-LEEN.

    Doesn’t matter. Nobody’s giving that name or any variation of it to girls in the US. Just dropped off of a cliff sometime in the last couple of years for some reason or other.

    Well, ok, it does matter to the extent that every redneck I know has been saying it wrong for years. Including the redneck girls named “Caitlyn”.

  73. Yollo

    I…….that fucking egalitarianism REALLY did a number on me……

    You and almost everyone else. But the key thing is, you know it now.

  74. The early part of Peterson’s lecture relates to what we have been discussing here in this thread, but a bit deeper in (you could start at 17:00), we come to this:

    “The question is well should you turn into a monster? And the answer to that is, yes, you should, but you should do it voluntarily.”

    Which is relevant to TRM and the concept of the Dark Triad.

  75. “They jacked it”

    They jacked my little brother,wife,kids,mother,government and religion, guess they can have the word I never knew how to use it anyway.

  76. @ SJF / asdgamer

    What would setting limits involve?

    She’s been vehement about telling me how she has zero interest in dating or sleeping with any other guys, is only sexually attracted to me, etc.

    How could I respond to something like,

    “I’d be willing to stop talking to or associating with any guys you didn’t want me talking to or associating with anymore. I’d drop them in a heartbeat. I just want to be able to trust you.”

    She’s said that to me before many times.

  77. “Jordan Peterson believes humans are prey animals,yet our eyes are located in the front like predators.”

    When I am out in the deep dark, hunting predators it is not uncommon for me to wish I had eyes in the back of my head to watch out for predators. The predators I am hunting are themselves on the hunt and feel likewise.

    The fact that we are prey you experience as the emotion “anxiety.” Animals that evolve without predators cannot experience anxiety.

    A long time ago, in an argument far, far away, I brought up that we are startled by things that go bump in the night because during our evolution death came from above and behind. We have gathered a large collection of anthropoid skulls missing the back part. Leopards seem to favor brains. That is no doubt complimentary to their hunting habit of dropping out of trees.

  78. >>>>As understood by Locke, tabula rasa meant that the mind of the individual was born blank, and it also emphasized the freedom of individuals to author their own soul.<<<<

    I admire John Locke as the greatest philosopher who ever lived because he did not waste his time concocting philosophical systems, he merely skewered the systems of others. As a Calvinist my self I cannot go along with the extreme idea that we can be the author of our own soul, but I cannot help but agree with the idea that a brain, or any thinking apparatus which is supposed to be processing information, needs data before it can process anything. But a thinking apparatus also needs information and intelligent design a priori in order to exist as a thing capable of thinking. A "brain" is subject to its inherent design architecture. I happen to believe there is scientific truth in the studies showing major differences in male and female brains, and I also believe as a matter of what amounts to common sense that both male and female brains are tabulas rasa in terms of the raw data that they contain. All tabulas can be rasa without all tabulas being equal or interchangeable. I definitely agree with the assertion that no tabula, no matter how rasa, is infinitely malleable. As for garbage in garbage out, I consider that a fundamental principle of information/communication theory. If my facts are wrong, my output can only be correct randomly and only if I am ludicrously lucky, no matter how brilliant my "brain" might be. If I transmit gibberish to you, then by definition no meaningful communication has occurred, but maybe you can guess at my meaning.

  79. >>>>John Locke didn’t know that about 50% of behavior is inherited. The many modern studies of twins have shown exactly that.<<<<<

    "Behavior" is not "information" or "data." Behavior can be a reflex of the nervous system, which requires no information because no decision making process is necessary, the nerves react to the stimuli in their preprogrammed way, and the thinking part of the brain is not involved. Now, I will readily grant to you that most people don't seem to use the thinking part of their brain but rather merely react emotionally to stimuli, in which cases my point about needed data in order to engage in thinking is quite moot.
    See, there were goofballs back in Locke's day who said that a person already was born knowing Shakespeare, so when they learned Shakespeare they were merely remembering it. Locke tried to reason with people to convince them that this was nonsense, but it appears he mostly failed. Reciting one of Shakespeare's sonnets is learned behavior, as opposed to perhaps being born with the ability to appreciate beautiful things when we hear them. Maybe to some extent we can learn to appreciate beautiful things if we aren't born with that quality; no way can you convince me that knowing Shakespeare is genetically inherited.

  80. If you still think hormones and emotion are “information” then you have not understood my point. In order to think we need facts for processing. I’m talking about thinking with the higher brain functions, not the instinctive animal drives and reflexes that don’t require any actual additional information in order to be activated. I’ve stated elsewhere in these comments that people back in Locke’s day thought that a baby was born knowing everything and the purpose of education was merely to remind them of it all. Locke never said that there was no such thing as a fundamental biological human instinct. He was first and foremost a physician, you know, and a serious student of the realities of human behavior.

  81. For crying out loud, perceiving reality different does not change REALITY!!!! Of course males and females perceive differently but it is not the REALITY ITSELF that is different. To think with such solipsism seems like the way a GIRL would think, that reality changes depending on how I think about it.

  82. “If you still think hormones and emotion are “information” then you have not understood my point.”

    We have understood your point just fine. You have not understood our point about what constitutes information.

  83. ” . . . it is not the REALITY ITSELF that is different.”

    It is your position that brains are not real?

  84. @ AR

    ” Hormones do far more than that. Men’s brains are physically wired differently than women’s because of T vs. E. Men perceive reality differently than women do because of T vs. E.
    We know more than Locke did, more than he possibly could have known. He had observation and reason, but did not know that men’s brains are physically different from women’s, for example. ”

    ^^^ This right here. ^^^

    You are breaking my Truth-o-meter.

  85. PR-alpha Brad Pitt frivorced and seems-to-have-it-all Chris Cornell hangs himself. Don’t know these dudes but goes to show that we only really know what’s churning in our own head, not another’s.

    CC was a personal fave as I’ve been a fan way back and seen him as a solo performer in small venues. Probably the best rock singer to come along in a long time but not afraid to try other things… see his cover of ‘Billie Jean.’ Apparently self-taught, too, which is impressive if you’ve heard some of his stuff. Seemed totally down to earth, sincerely a good person. Someone you’d like to hang out with over beers. Similar vibe from Pitt in interviews.

    But like I said, don’t know them at all. We’re all actors to some degree. Trying to make it topical here…. no guarantees in life even if you do everything right. One of my personal mottos “if I’m the one paying, I call the shots.” This is not just a money thing but much broader, perhaps more like “if I’m the one responsible and accountable for my life, then I’m going to do it my fucking way.” MPO baby!

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