Blue Pill Alphas

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A comment from Softek gets us started today:

My friend was telling me the other night how seeing multiple women “isn’t worth it.”

I’ve heard that more than once from more than one of my friends.

And how “living with the guilt and shame” and “hating themselves” was destroying their lives….

Very hard schema to break out of when it’s been imprinted on you. My own father self-proclaims to be “in favor of the damsels in distress,” including his recent, unquestionable defense of my friend’s mom, who divorced his dad after 35 years of marriage.

My dad didn’t even question her motives for a second and after she spent the evening hanging out with my mom and him, and told them the supposed “real” reasons she got a divorce, my dad automatically cut contact with the guy and again proclaimed his belief that men should protect all “damsels in distress.”

He’s even taken shots at me when my girlfriend’s been over, clearly siding with her and telling her things like “Keep him in line” and “Straighten him out” and calling me an idiot and scolding me if I don’t pull her chair out for her or put her coat on for her when she stands up.

No doubt, my self sabotaging of a clear opening for a hookup with an HB8 23 year old has been influenced by all of this. I didn’t realize how Beta I was until I actually got into a relationship.

I didn’t even know I HAD these programs because I was incel before, and had a couple one night stands that never developed into anything more. I also didn’t even know my DAD had these programs until he started doing shit like actually scolding me in front of my girlfriend and instructing her to “train me” and things like that.

To be honest I was kind of in shock that my own father would think like that. It felt like he was turning on me and it pissed me off. Even in a small way, to let his Blue Pill conditioning get in the way of his relationship with his own son — that really got to me, and not in a good way. I felt like my dad is supposed to be on my side, and to see him treating her better than he treats me and having conversations with her and helping her work out her finances and giving her career advice and all that while he won’t even give me the time of day….

….simply, it’s eye-opening. It’s tough to truly go Red Pill when everyone around you, including your own father/family members/friends are Blue Pill, and especially when they’re an active, regular part of your life, not just a figment of your imagination.

But there is no other way.

Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic. Softek’s father’s reflexive responses are endemic of men who are Alpha White Knights. Their reactions are behaviorally Alpha, but their reasoning is founded in their investments in Blue Pill conditioning. The usual schema revolve around an attempt to display higher value by identifying with and qualifying for women whom they presuppose have default authority and correctness above men in general.

This then manifests as an exaggerated AMOGing of any guy who would not affirm his investments in that Blue Pill ego-investment. So you get a guy who blusters like Softek’s Dad at Red Pill awareness – it’s both an opportunity to prove value as a White Knight and a resistance against any truths that would challenge his Blue Pill ego.

In my own life I’ve known several men who anyone in the ‘sphere would objectively call Alpha. Their default is to action, dominance, authority and control of whatever life puts in front of them. They handle their shit, they own their business ventures, they have all the Dark Triad traits you might expect from a guy like this – but put them in a social setting with a girl and they go as Beta as any Blue Pill guy you’ll ever know. Their Blue Pill conditioning predisposes them to compartmentalize this aspect of their personality to effectively put their dominant personality to the use of the Feminine Imperative.

Dangerous White Knights

Maybe I’m the only guy who watched both seasons of Daredevil on Netflix, but if you watch the first season where they go into the origin and character of Wilson Fisk (Kingpin) this is exactly the type of guy I’m talking about. Wildly Alpha, wildly unstable, but still in control of his empire. Put a woman in his life and he transitions all of that Alpha energy to essentially worshiping that woman. In fact, this prioritizing of women above his own interests is the motivation for his empire building. These are the Alpha White Knights who channel that Alpha energy to making his Blue Pill idealisms a reality for any woman who fits his ideal.

And when that Blue Pill ideal reveals itself to be a fantasy – or God forbid, a Red Pill aware guy should take this fantasy away from him intentionally or not – you will see him self destruct, and likely take either that woman, that Red Pill guy, or both along with him.

That’s one type of Blue Pill Alpha. Another is the guy who is Alpha in one context, but Beta in another. These are the guys I describe when I talk about my military friends who’ve faced live ammo being fired at them by people intent on killing them who hold up like nails and get their job done while commanding other men. Put them in a domestic situation or a position where they have to fall back on their Blue Pill conditioning in dealing with women and they’ll defer automatically to the Frame of their wives without a thought. When their wives up and leave them, these are some of the first men to swallow a bullet by their own hand.

Again, this is an Alpha who’s never been awakened to his Blue Pill conditioning. Say even one marginally critical word about women in general and they’re the first in line to kick your ass. But they’re also the most likely to self destruct when their Blue Pill idealism is challenged or crushed.

A lot gets made about the status of ‘Paper Alphas’, but I’m beginning to think term is a bit in error. I’m dropping this here today because I think there’s a misunderstanding about how Alpha energy is channeled with respect to a guy being Red Pill aware, and a guy who is still plugged into the feminine-primary Matrix and at the mercy of how women (and other men) will exploit his Blue Pill ego-investments. In the manosphere we tend to conflate Alpha with Red Pill, but as I always say, Alpha is a mindset and not representative of whether that man is in fact ‘woke’ to his conditions and manipulations.

When I watched how the Marvel writers handled the character of Wilson Fisk I got chills because I have personally counseled Blue Pill, but predominantly Alpha, guys who’ve stabbed the new boyfriends of their ex-girlfriends because he was perceived as the catalyst to the destruction of his Blue Pill ideal – union with his ONEitis girlfriend.

I’m emphasizing this because I think it’s important for Red Pill aware men to understand the dangers of being perceived as the antithesis of these men’s ego-investments in Blue Pill idealism. This may take the form of him just despising you for revealing uncomfortable truths to him with your own presence and lifestyle, or it may be him pinning his failures to consolidate his Blue Pill ideals to you and wanting to eliminate both you and the truth you represent.

I’m sorry if this is a bit sobering, but it needs to be said. As most readers know, I consider Alpha and Beta abstract terms; they are placeholders for concepts, thus, it is entirely possible for a largely Alpha man to be thoroughly invested in his Blue Pill conditioning. Likewise, it is also possible for more Beta men to be some of the most Red Pill aware men you’re likely to meet. It’s when a Beta man is ego-invested in the Blue Pill that he’s most to be pitied, while a Red Pill aware Alpha is likely to be the most celebrated. But that’s not to say the Red Pill and Alpha, or the Blue Pill and Beta are mutually exclusive concepts.

Is Provisioning Inherently a Characteristic of a Beta Mindset?

In this week’s post the proposition came up that any provisioning was inherently a Beta trait. I’ve read this before and not just on my blog, but also coming from both the MGTOW and the PUA sides of the fence. The idea is that any form of monogamy and/or provisioning for an LTR girlfriend (and I would count a live-in arrangement as provisioning), a wife and any kids (prospectively) is itself evidence of a Beta mindset.

I think the problem with this presumption rests in defining what the act of provisioning means both an Alpha and a Beta mindset. For both, this depends on their approach to their primary sexual strategies and reconciling it with the eventual necessity of his own parental investment in raising children, and/or maintaining relational Frame (or not) within a monogamy that at least promotes the wellbeing of any children.

As a reference here, I’m going to link Myth of the Good Guy to give a bit of perspective in this.

While it’s true that lower SMV men generally, necessarily, opt for a sexual strategy of primary investment in one mate (via provisioning) and higher SMV men can afford a sexual strategy of lower investment while seeking more sexual opportunities, those strategies are not necessarily reflective of each man’s mindset. As I mentioned in the beginning here, it is entirely possible for a subjectively Alpha man to subscribe to a Blue Pill conditioned mindset and vice versa for Beta men becoming Red Pill aware.

So yes, provisioning can be Beta if that provisioning (and what it took to achieve it) is the result of an effort to secure the sustained sexual interests of a single woman, as motivated by his perceived necessity to invest himself as I mentioned above for a low SMV man. However, if you have a high SMV guy who’s provisioning capacity is the byproduct of his Alpha mindset (or nature if you prefer) and not the result of his sexual strategy to build it to invest in any single woman, is that guy’s provisioning inherently a Beta characteristic?

We’ve had an interesting discussion about this in the last comment thread, and In the interests of full disclosure here, I’m still on the fence about this concept. I’ll have a forthcoming post about mindset soon.

Provisioning is certainly a value added aspect to a guy who a woman sees as an Alpha sex prospect already, and not a necessary a prerequisite for fucking him, but it’s not a disadvantage (being Beta) if that Alpha guy also has means, affluence, status, looks, etc. That said, and I’ve related this before, some of the most memorable sex experiences I’ve ever had were when I was an unemployed semi-pro musician in the late 80s-early 90s with almost zero means, but was somehow able to bang over 40 women then.

Provisioning is not a prerequisite for any man with Game, but is it inherently Beta? Possibly, when a guy has the Blue Pill mindset that makes him believe in the Relational Equity fallacy and he subscribes to the Blue Pill conditioned idea that he’s inherently lower SMV than ANY woman (like Softek’s Dad), thus he must improve his odds of successfully breeding by being a “good provider”. And as I, and anyone in the manosphere, will relate this old books providerhood is fast becoming an obsolete sexual strategy for Beta men.

This is, I think, the hesitation that most guys wanting to avoid the stink of ‘Beta Provider’ will argue for. But is a nominally Alpha guy, who has excess means and resources being “Beta” by providing for his wife & family? If that man’s dominant personality is ‘Alpha’ does this predispose women (or his wife) to rationalize his provisioning as an Alpha trait, or is it just an endearing (positive), comforting Beta trait / behavior that solidifies her attraction (if not arousal) to him?

I don’t think that the act of provisioning itself is inherently Beta or Alpha, rather it’s the mindset and status of that guy that makes it so. What do we call a an Alpha with ample means who refuses to adequately provide for his wife and/or kids? What do we call a Beta who’s based his life and marriage on his capacity to provide once he’s lost his job? Why do women statistically look down on men who don’t provide in equal or greater measure to their own contributions? Despite all the equalist boilerplate beliefs to the contrary, why do women feel little or no attraction to a non-provisioning house-husband? If provisioning were a net Beta trait why is its absence a source of decreased attraction for men?

I should also add that this perception of whether a man is Alpha or Beta in his provisioning is subjective to whatever phase of maturity a woman find herself in, and is modified by her own necessitousness – which, as has been argued in the ‘sphere ad infinitum, has become increasingly less dependent on men. It’s no coincidence that back in the early 90s for me, the women I was banging were largely girls in their SMV peak years (21-24) or they we’re the occasional cougars of the time who were already divorced and still reasonably attractive enough to pass the boner test for me. My capacity to provision for either of these demographic of women made little difference to my sex appeal, but for different reasons.

Roissy even covers this aspect of women’s sexual prioritization in The Difficulty of Gaming Women by Age Bracket:

31 to 34 year olds

In some ways, women in the 31-34 age range are the toughest broads to game. (By “toughest”, it is meant “most time consuming”.) It’s counterintuitive, yes, but there are factors at work besides her declining beauty which mitigate against the easy, quick lay. For one, it is obviously harder to meet single 31-34 year old women than it is to meet single younger women. Marriage is still a pussy-limiting force to contend with for the inveterate womanizer, but Chateau apprentices are hard at work battling the scourge of mating market disturbances caused by the grinding and churning of the marriage machine.

But the bigger reason 31-34 year olds are harder to game than any other age group of women has to do with the wicked nexus of entitlement and self-preservation that occurs at this age in women. When you combine a disproportionate sense of entitlement fueled by years of feminism, steady paychecks and promotions, and cheerleading gay boyfriends with suspicions of every man’s motives and a terrible anxiety of being used for a sexual fling sans marriage proposal, you get a venom-spitting malevolent demoness on guard against anything she might perceive as less than total subjugation to her craving for incessant flattery and princess pedestaling.

Note that Chateau guests aren’t necessarily complaining. A harder-to-game 33 year old is kind of like getting bumped down from a Honda Civic rental but driving off the lot with the consolation prize of a Ferrari.

Listen to any man who is good with women and they will tell you the same thing:

“I have an easier time bedding and dating 23 year olds than I do 33 year olds.”

While I do concur with the assessment about women’s exaggerated sense of entitlement, I would also argue that this difficulty is a result of women’s prioritizing long-term security (emotional and provisional) as part of their sexual strategy reprioritizations that come in the wake of their Epiphany Phase. Ergo, this would explain the ease in gaming women pre and post Epiphany Phase. Provisioning and long term security are low sexual priorities for these demographics of women.

But does that make a capacity for provisioning inherently a Beta trait? I think it’s easy to misconstrue that capacity as Beta, because provisioning is a high-value attribute that is expected from Beta men according to their own sexual strategy. Provisioning is associated with Betas because it is integral to their sexual strategy, and also part of the Blue Pill plan for which women are hoping to fulfill at a point in their maturity when they are subjectively at their most necessitous.

What do you think?

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theasdgamer
4 years ago

@kfg @ton

It’s not Yankees or DC, but the megalopolis that stretches from NYC to DC that is the problem…they are all fucked in the head, with few exceptions…they mostly think that they are the smartest fuckers around and that the rest of the country is populated by idiots…they barely acknowledge LA and Chicago…the hubris is extreme

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

@hank

sorry man, I’ve only had the chance to peck out the occasional reply to people’s recent comments as I see them in between clients. I’ll try and get it done tonight.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“It’s not Yankees or DC, but the megalopolis that stretches from NYC to DC that is the problem…”

I did not mean DC literally (although there is a component of that). This time around it is the south that will have to burn Richmond and Atalanta.

Yankees are just about ready to burn NYC and Chicago.

West of the Mississippi is not my problem, unless I finally say “Fuck this shit” and move to Big Sky country, which will also be reasonably far from the civil war in the PNW.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

16 of the top 20 U.S. superzips are in the acela corridor.

http://www.businessinsider.com/map-americas-super-elite-live-in-these-zip-codes-2013-12

07078: Short Hills, N.J.

60043: Kenilworth, Ill.

02468: Waban, Mass.

10282: New York, N.Y.

20816: Bethesda, Md.

02457: Babson Park, Mass.

06870: Old Greenwich, Conn.

10069: New York, N.Y.

10162: New York, N.Y.

10514: Chappaqua, N.Y.

10597: Waccabuc, N.Y.

60022: Glencoe, Ill.

94027: Atherton, Calif.

02481: Wellesley Hills, Mass.

06883: Weston, Conn.

07046: Mountain Lakes, N.J.

10518: Cross River, N.Y.

20854: Potomac, Md.

21737: Glenelg, Md.

94028: Portola Valley, Calif.

Don’t worry, they don’t want your souls, just your compliance.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

@andy “My mind split. Like there’s two minds. At least that what it feels like. And you realize that the ego is just software, and the “I am” is above that, and can observe the ego. Here’s how I functioned before and most people function: (“I am ego”) <- Five Senses <- Perceived Reality Here's how I function now. "I am" <- ego <- 5 senses <- perceived reality.” Well described. I know exactly what you mean. I had the same thing happen about 3 years ago, and once it did I realized that – as much affection I may… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

“He says that it’s managing your ego and waking up from the dream, but still in the dream? I don’t know. Like I said I have no frame of reference. Anyway, he says that “human adulthood” is actually the superior outcome. Probably because you get to keep the attachments you want.” Yeah, maybe. I wonder if moksha/buddha mind/etc is a description of a state of conciousness which trancendental schools have idolized, sort of a ‘it would be best if you could maintain this state all the time even though that’s not really a good thing for a person to do.… Read more »

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

“But it’s just kind of a habit for me at this point to be on a passive watch for ‘not-me’ impulses and behaviors. Whenever I encounter one, I just sort of take it in hand and examine it. “What are you? Where did you come from?””

@forge,

So like how do you deal with attachments when you know it isn’t real? Like pride and lovey dovey feelings and shit? The good stuff?

YaReally
YaReally
4 years ago

@Rollo More for you. Tyler on fueling your brain with “proof not promises” to build good internals (“you can PROMISE your brain nothing bad is going to happen if you express yourself, but your brain wants PROOF not PROMISES…so when you yell out loud (aka take action), and nothing bad happens, your brain gets evidence that nothing bad will happen”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXWflJS2TkE Tyler on why “just be cool” (trying to just change a guy’s mindset) doesn’t work, “your brain needs PROOF not PROMISES” (to forge mindsets): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM2LYIjp3Qw&t=13m Tyler on small-chunking the game…the reason he has steps to what he’s doing is… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

kfg, ton

personally, if the federation shatters I hope the hyperurban populations of Chicago and Detroit flee Eastward and let us form a Great Lakes autonomous region.

We’ll be fine. Lots of water, arable land, safety from natural disasters, and even a way out to the sea – though I’d expect mighty tariffs at the locks.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
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kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Andy: “So like how do you deal with attachments when you know it isn’t real?” By noting, over time, that the world continues to turn just as it did before your epiphany. You are entering a new normal, which will simply be normal having spent enough time living it. ” . . . if the federation shatters I hope the hyperurban populations of Chicago and Detroit flee Eastward . . .” We have guns. ” . . . let us form a Great Lakes autonomous region.” That is what I see in my crystal ball. However, I call it Chicagoland,… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
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Kfg
http://wp.me/p6SXrP-j8W

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

@Andy “So like how do you deal with attachments when you know it isn’t real? Like pride and lovey dovey feelings and shit? The good stuff?” It depends. I don’t have categories in my head about ‘stuff that is pleasant so I’ll pretend it’s real.’ That’s the wrong approach. If an emotion is pleasant/pleasurable but doesn’t seem authentic to me, I will cut it out as ruthlessly as a painful one. Earlier today I was experiencing a very pleasurable feeling of self-righteousness which, as soon as I noticed it, I eliminated. Your devotion is to truth-of-self, not to pleasant attachments.… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

“That is what I see in my crystal ball. However, I call it Chicagoland, as it will be a virtual city state with vassal territory. Sorry ’bout that.” Yes, my hope is not my expectation. But it may be that the farther-flung provinces will be free enough. The upper peninsula will be needed for natural resources but not much else. If one wanted to be of the provincial-rich, best move to Leelanau and try to start a vineyard. City bigwigs will need their booze. “Yes, that will be the point of conflict.” Well, we’d also have Toronto to contend with… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

lol my ego drives my success so fuck that killing your ego stuff.

Though I get how protecting a fragike ego can limit a man’s risk taking and there limit him

SFC Ton
4 years ago

The usa will break up, sooner rather then later. Mostly because there is no middle ground to be had with the left/ progressives etc.

City people too. Both want the destruction of traditional American life and people

scray
scray
4 years ago

idk i’m out here every week doing it and doing it well. i don’t even post my exploits — or try not to mostly — because they’re too fantastic for belief. I’m sure Ya and other more seasoned PUAs feel the same way. but, thinking of it as external THEN internal is just supremely USEFUL. when i run into a new chick who is just fucking all kinds of hot in a new way or w/e else like….whatever current mindset you’re running, when confronted with something new, is going to take some hard hits, and you’re going to start fucking… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Pellaeon Re laser eye… There are no good vidoes i’ve seen yet on this. It is too hard to get because you have to be close to really capture it. That is part of it. Yeah the James Franco clip shows so.e of it but at too great a distance. The best results are when you are closer i.e. sub 12 inches… 8 inches is better. Look in the mirror at different distances and tou will see how the field of vision narrows and focuses. At 18 inches less effect and 2 even more… Those distances can intrigue and can… Read more »

ManlyMan
ManlyMan
4 years ago

I thought Rollo didn’t censor. Apparently I was wrong.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” hot chicks” are still just girls. No one need be intimidated ever.

I have 2 beauty pageant winning sisters, and I never understood when guys would turn to jelly in their presence.

Just girls.

If your mindset is right, hot will never negatively effect you. Hot is great.

Don’t pump chicks up in your head.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

No matter how hot she is some dude is tried of her bullshit

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Precisely Ton.

I’d hope means learning stuff would prioritize this mindset.

All this chick did was be ” born ” looking a particular way.

PERSPECTIVE……

Hot chicks are cool. They are never special.

They.Are.Just.Chicks.Please.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Above should read ” I’d hope newbs learning stuff….”.

Spellfuck.

RedPill_BitterPill
RedPill_BitterPill
4 years ago

The more I read this site and others, and the more I have their theories confirmed by real life experience, the more I wonder what is the point of even pursuing women. Attracting women appears to be an awful game of petty psychological warfare, worse, maintaining a relationship appears to be game of greater psychological warfare that goes on and on, year after grinding year. I cannot see any benefit in participating. Before my discovery of the red pill I already found women by and large just weren’t fun, they had awful personalities (because nobody ever tells them where to… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
4 years ago

dude blax you dont get down other places do you lol kno a guy, he’s white tho. supeer white tho. biught me my drinks sincei called trump. anyway saw him months ago w/ asia girls. was like threesok e lol you o guy, but juts biz. he was super impressed i called trump. he was like how you kno girl. i said honestly iyt was from picking up cjicks. he waas dissapoint. tol d wife i was like this oracle, nah, just from talking to peeeps. most people do superficial shit. but i talk to peole for long time. anyway… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Redpill Welcome. By and large, women aren’t awful. Many are different as much as they are the same. There are no real unicorns. If a man never really liked women, there’s no guarantee that red pill knowledge will change that. RP lends to better understanding of the dynamics. There’s no silver bullet. One can’t expect a woman to be other than what she is. They are not men, ever. If you don’t like what women are, there’s no color of pill that will change that. Perspective and expectations. I love women. I have particular expectations regarding their behavior, and… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

…..was that Hank, or GBFM?

RedPill_BitterPill
RedPill_BitterPill
4 years ago

@Blaximus,

Thanks for the reply.

How do women compliment your life? What do you love about them (apart from looking at their tits, that goes as a suffix to both questions)?

“By and large, women aren’t awful. Many are different as much as they are the same.”

What do you mean by that?

“If a man never really liked women, there’s no guarantee that red pill knowledge will change that.”

There’s probably no getting round that.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Women are a lot less awful when you have them broken, collared and leashed

Now a feral bitch who isn’t owned? Totally different critter but like the Germans use to say, a woman is either at your feet or at your throat

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ RedPill I will avoid personal specifics so that they will not haunt me in future comments. Women compliment my life by adding to it in a meaningful way. They accomplish this in many different ways. But it also depends greatly on my own perception. To make it as basic and simple as I can, if a woman can provide me with something I need or want, without my having to ask or explain or ” game her ” to acquire, she is complimentary to my life. She just naturally” does ” things because it’s mostly who she is (… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Oh for fucks sake…

Above should read ” childbirth and rearing.”, Among the other spelling and grammatical errors courtesy of spellfuck.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

“…..was that Hank, or GBFM?” Ahaha, PLOT TWIST! And I’m actually King A. — Oh, foolish words! Can you not perceive that moral rot, so endemic to these times, that – by sheer dint of underlying them – allows these thoughts to fester even within the minds of those deemed ‘rational?’ These so-called ‘blue-pill alphas’ are nothing of the kind. ‘Blue-pill alphas’ are not the recipients of untruth, but the sole and originating force behind its propogation. There is no other place to look, the bushel has been overturned and, in the absence of shadow, a stark face peers back… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Lulzlolzlolzlozlolzzloz………

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

Ok hank, writing FR now. Prolly won’t be done tonight, I’ve got an early start tomorrow and I’m a meticulous writer when doing narrative for whatever reason.

Scray
Scray
4 years ago

@blax

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I can cosign that.

TRP should make men realize that the issues lie within you and not women.

You’re not mad that women want the best men.

You’re mad that you aren’t among the best men.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

@blax

Hanks doosnr evn know how teh butthetx

In his asstholzlzllzllzzzolzl

Has his drunk ass brok desole

Lololzlzlzlolzlzlz

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Andy Blaximus Forge ok, gonna try a different angle on this… answer these questions, if you don’t mind… (Blaximus and Forge too…) i want to try to triangulate on your ideas, but i need some data points… Andy: “Who we are is consciousness in a human body. Nothing else. habd: yes… and why might that be, do you suppose?… “ this is a key question… or more accurately, a key answer…lol habd: “bc that’s always true, regardless of whatever values/beliefs/etc people have…” Andy: It’s not true. That’s exactly the point. This is software, the belief that we exist as separate… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Hah. I just woke from a short nap to my IPOD playing Dylan’s “Like a Rolling Stone”. And it reminded me of Andy’s funk existential crisis. I got no quick answers Andy. Wish I did. Not making fun, nor am I not on your side. I have confidence you can peel back the onion and get to your core purpose and meaning in life as the months go by. Hang in there. I think you are more free (rather than bound) than you realize. “When you ain’t got nothing, you got nothing to lose You’re invisible now, you’ve got no… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@Scray: “TRP should make men realize that the issues lie within you and not women. You’re not mad that women want the best men. You’re mad that you aren’t among the best men.” Cosign that for being a positive message. 90% of red pill awareness (as well as the act of fixing a man’s relationship game–even in STR PUA game, but Esp. LTR Game) should result in making One’s game better. @Blax You spelled complementary wrong. “The adjective complementary (with an e in the second syllable) means serving to complete or supplying mutual needs. The adjective complimentary (with an i… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@HABD http://reset.me/story/7-profound-lessons-from-the-books-of-alan-watts/ Below are seven excerpts from Watts’ two books, The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are (1966) and The Joyous Cosmology (1962). The Book: On The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are: The Self in Nature Most of us have the sensation that “I myself” is a separate center of feeling and action, living inside and bounded by the physical body — a center which “confronts” an “external” world of people and things, making contact through the senses with a universe both alien and strange. Everyday figures of speech reflect this illusion. “I came into this… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

The second part of Alan Watt’s distillation is quite akin to Scott Adams idea of “moist robots: http://www.understandtrump.com/trump/a-great-not-perfect-trump-commentator-scott-adams/ The Joyous Cosmology To begin with, this world has a different kind of time. It is the time of biological rhythm, not of the clock and all that goes with the clock. There is no hurry. …here the depth of light and structure in a bursting bud go on forever. There is time to see them, time for the whole intricacy of veins and capillaries to develop in consciousness, time to see down and down into the shape of greenness, which is… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@scray TRP should make men realize that the issues lie within you and not women. Issues lie within both men and women…also in society…the old set of books were better than being a PUA today because love over many years is much better than having many partners…if you can find a partner who was trained under the old set of books…or if you can train your partner to live under the old set of books…you have to teach her to ditch her orbiters and social media and GNO and her girlfriends and maybe be a stay at home mom…liz has… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@ton

lol my ego drives my success so fuck that killing your ego stuff.
Though I get how protecting a fragike ego can limit a man’s risk taking and there limit him

Yeah, a man’s emotions can take a hit from a fragile ego and fuck him up…I see this with buddies

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@ton

City people too. Both want the destruction of traditional American life and people

Yeah, Jefferson v. Adams…the controversy continues…the South is more rural (actually, the Midwest is the most rural…Kansas wheat fields, Iowa corn, etc.) than the East…country v. city

tariffs were aimed at the city economy and will fuck it up bad…Trump may devastate the North and East with his proposed tariffs…lots of working class men don’t understand this…think of Detroit, Pittsburgh, etc…not sure how much manufacturing is in the megalopolis

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Blax

” hot chicks” are still just girls. No one need be intimidated ever.

Hot girls still put their panties on one leg at a time…hot girls bleed for seven days once a month just like other girls…hot girls’ shit stinks like everyone else’s…they fart and pick their noses when no one’s looking

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

“North South shit”
“Well, we’d also have Toronto to contend with if Canada breaks up. If they can subsume Montreal…”

I feel that Chateau Heartsie thing creeping up in here…
(‘mericans)

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
4 years ago

@Sentient
Thanks for the input.

What about where it fits in the phases of seduction? Should I be always trying to laser, or should I wait until one established attraction if I’m going indirect?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“if you can find a partner who was trained under the old set of books…or if you can train your partner to live under the old set of books” Testify brother theadsgamer. Notable quotes from date night: “20 years I’ve felt guilty…that guilt disgusts me today…I’ve wasted 20 years appealing to others and expected your love…you’ve always loved me different then I love you (!)…this is new to me…I don’t care if the kids see us kissing…It brings everyone joy…I’m so in love.” @SFCton I can’t remember much either. This is the best I can remember from 30″ of her… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

“Free trade” has already devastated the north and east.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Nice mellow choice in stoggies.

I think the DR rules the cigar world. In general prefer them to all others, even Cuban cigars.

mersonia
4 years ago

@ASD
“the old set of books were better than being a PUA today because love over many years is much better than having many partners”

Lol no

….and I would rather you use pair bonding over time instead of love because Love =| Love

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

@habd I feel like I’m dragging you down with me man. Not my intent. “habd: yes… and why might that be, do you suppose?… “ Why do I say we’re consciousness in a human body, or why are we consciousness in a human body. The answer to the first one is that that’s how I looks from here. The answer to the second one? Because. Shitty answer, but that’s the answer. “why do you actually have the system design that you have?…(= ego as software and separated from other beings…)” Propagation of the species. At least that’s my theory, because… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

@EhIntellect Ain’t nothing wrong with a buzzed bang from time to time, but it does lack the vividness of sobriety. A bit of the soul of the thing is lost if that’s all ya do. A girl will typically follow you in the bedroom (or around the billiards table, whatever suits your fancy). So long as you turn her on: if you drink, she drinks, and as with the booze she feels a bit the worse for it the next day. Take her when you have full possession of your mind. I fear she feels the drink is a crutch.… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

@DisgruntledEarthling

Nah, we’re just having fun prognosticating given political developments, no racial revolution agitprop here.

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@SJF The first result of this illusion is that our attitude to the world “outside” us is largely hostile. We are forever “conquering” nature, space, mountains, deserts, bacteria, and insects instead of learning to cooperate with them in a harmonious order. nature does not have much empathy for you…lol… (translation = nature started it!…lol…) that ‘outside hostility’ is not an illusion… when a bear decides to eat you…lol… but all of that stuff happens to your ‘body’… what purpose to you think that serves?… We do not “come into” this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
4 years ago

” I’d expect mighty tariffs at the locks.”

Yea you might have that whole Canada thing to deal with in that regard given the entirety of the St Lawrence Great Lakes lock system is a bi-lateral agreement of parties.

USA has exclusive control of the Eisenhower locks, Canada the Welland Canal, the lower St Lawrence locks in Montreal and the upper St Lawrence locks above Eisenhower, shared access on the Soo locks etc.

Things could be mighty messy getting the control of Niagara falls sorted out as well, also under a bi-lateral agreement.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

@Andy One can remove the monotheism without losing the relevance: “All that is made seems planless to the darkened mind, because there are more plans than it looked for….Set your eyes on one movement and it will lead you through all patterns and it will seem to you the master movement. But the seeming will be true. Let no mouth open to gainsay it. There seems no plan because it is all plan: there seems no centre because it is all centre. Blessed be He!” The human ego creates meaning that. do not exist. Once disabused of them, you find… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

“the old set of books were better than being a PUA today because love over many years is much better than having many partners” Lol no ….and I would rather you use pair bonding over time instead of love because Love =| Love One of my PUA buddies (>50 notches) envies me that I am loved by Mrs. Gamer. He has read the Rational Male. Cosign that men and women love differently. It MAY be possible to train a woman to follow the old set of books…at least one (Liz) claims that this is so and that her husband trained… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Hey Rollo…new book idea…a modern version of “The Taming of the Shrew”…as in, a modern praxeology for YSGs who want a traditional relationship…more than just gaming the wife…it would involve enlisting her mind to actively seek to be submissive to her husband AND to mateguard herself

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

@Agent P
“Things could be mighty messy getting the control of Niagara falls sorted out as well, also under a bi-lateral agreement.”

I don’t expect any messiness – we all want commerce to proceed regardless of political ‘happenings’

mersonia
4 years ago

@ASD

“Cosign that men and women love differently. It MAY be possible to train a woman to follow the old set of books…at least one (Liz) claims that this is so and that her husband trained her…she actually says that he SAVED her…this may be a route for YSGs who want a traditional relationship…”

There’s no point in traditional relationships anymore.

mersonia
4 years ago

They carry no benefits.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

“Free trade” has already devastated the north and east. Tariffs devasted Japan and caused the Great Depression. Opening cheap labor abroad to U.S. manufacturers was a big mistake. Obviously, they moved their manufacturing offshore. Tariffs on commodity manufactured goods makes sense if we want to keep our manufacturing of those items competitive. However, our politicians are easily bought. One way to keep cheap labor from being a problem is to break diplomatic ties with countries that have large sources of cheap labor. (No, you can’t get a passport to South Korea or to China.) Essentially, we treat those countries as… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“….recurring patterns indicate a design function…” “…nature does not have much empathy for you…lol…” “(translation = nature started it!…lol…) that ‘outside hostility’ is not an illusion… ” “but all of that stuff happens to your ‘body’… what purpose to you think that serves?…” “it’s not a ‘hoax’ or a ‘fake’… those are just value judgments based on THAT experience being somehow less than the ‘goodness’ of being ‘one with everything’…” “what if this was a feature, not a bug?… You think that Rollo might have written about that feature under the BioMechanics link? https://therationalmale.com/2012/11/06/people-are-people/ It’s not that most people subscribing… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Andy @habd I feel like I’m dragging you down with me man. Not my intent. not even…lol… while my grasp on ‘reality’ is sometimes tenuous at best, i’m fully confident in my ability to think my way to a ‘safe space’…lol (i just usually choose not to go there, bc those places are populated with guys like in the OP photo…lol) Why do I say we’re consciousness in a human body, or why are we consciousness in a human body. The answer to the first one is that that’s how I looks from here. The answer to the second one?… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” They carry no benefits”

… that you are able to extract for whatever reason.

Fify.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@ASD

“Cosign that men and women love differently. It MAY be possible to train a woman to follow the old set of books…at least one (Liz) claims that this is so and that her husband trained her…she actually says that he SAVED her…this may be a route for YSGs who want a traditional relationship…”

Mersonia: There’s no point in traditional relationships anymore.

How about Deep Conversion of your Partner Relationships? (The limiting factor being a Masterful Man and a good woman partner….)

Two reference comments:

https://therationalmale.com/2016/09/25/for-better-or-worse/comment-page-8/#comment-171804

https://therationalmale.com/2016/08/21/the-key-masters/comment-page-5/#comment-167254

mersonia
4 years ago

@Blax

“… that you are able to extract for whatever reason.”

I can get it all without being in a traditional relationship….but what are you really getting anyways

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@SJF Nevertheless, it is our firm conviction that beyond this “wall of flesh” lies an alien world only slightly concerned with us, so that much energy is required to command or attract its attention, or to change its behavior. It was there before we were born, and it will continue after we die. We live in it temporarily as rather unimportant fragments, disconnected and alone. what if this was a feature, not a bug?… You think that Rollo might have written about that feature under the BioMechanics link? i believe Rollo was describing the process of living under the system’s… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@mersonia and Blaxumus

” They carry no benefits”

… that you are able to extract for whatever reason.

“….but what are you really getting anyways”

The man gets freedom (from constraint). The woman submits with unconditional love (not love of him, love of the relationship). That’s what.

https://therationalmale.com/2016/08/21/the-key-masters/comment-page-5/#comment-167251

mersonia
4 years ago

“The man gets freedom (from constraint). The woman submits with unconditional love (not love of him, love of the relationship). That’s what.

……

If the man’s not in a traditional relationship he’s not constrained. There is no unconditional love……

and once again Pair bonding over time = Love =| Love (I’m assuming that’s what you mean by love)

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

54% college educated men voted Trump.

70% non-college educated men voted Trump.

These are men who were erstwhile split into North/South, College/High School, Union/Non-Union, liberal/conservative, etc. polling demographics.

In 60 years the FI has essentially driven the rational male into one voting block.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Quack quack… Mersonia

ManlyMan
ManlyMan
4 years ago

Rollo- My bad. Found the posts.

I find the formatting of this blog problematic. Comments aren’t numbered and if you leave the blog it’s hard to remember where you left off. In addition you have to load seven pages in sequential order (in the case of this comment thread) to get to the end.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

I certainly wasn’t advocating for “traditional relationships”, nor pair bonding. Those are merely options. And I don’t know what you mean by = Love =| Love. Part of the firmware, the evolved psyche of humans is to engage in relationships. They can take any form. I mean freedom and release from constraint. It comes from internals in the male, not from externals via females. Also Masculine Edge. And this ties into the existential discussion with Andy, Habd and Forge: Deida: “Until a man has recognized his true nature, he will always seek elsewhere for a sense of freedom. He will… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@mersonia

Sure, traditional relationships are obsolete because:

1. Men don’t care if their women don’t mateguard themselves, and

2. Men don’t care if their women are submissive to them.

Excellent point!

theasdgamer
4 years ago

How about Deep Conversion of your Partner Relationships?

Of course, under the Old Set of Books (here you genuflect reverently), this was unnecessary…and Shakespeare’s “The Taming of the Shrew” was unnecessary…women are very different nowadays…lol…gosh, all these orbiters are a Brand New Thing ™…women never had such an opportunity for orbiters…not in the quantity that they do in 2016, but, of course, women have always had PLENTY of orbiters if they wanted them…even when I was growing up…widows never had trouble finding men to fix things

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

“Things could be mighty messy getting the control of Niagara falls sorted out as well, also under a bi-lateral agreement.” — “Like hell they are!” It had been a common refrain across the Autonomous Union of the Lakes for years. Ontario’s ambitions with the Canal were well known, but few dared believe they would have the gumption to follow through. “They left their stones in Petoskey,’ as the saying went. There was a patrol south of the Niagra, a military outpost, largely ceremonial in function. The damn Canucks knew what it would mean to breach that guard. Then hell froze… Read more »

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@ManlyMan: while Rollo doesn’t do something about going through the comments, as soon as you get to the second page, you can manually edit the URL in your browser to jump several pages ahead.

If you did this for this post, you would get something which finishes in
…blue-pill-alphas/comment-page-2/#comments
We are currently on
…blue-pill-alphas/comment-page-8/#comments
so if you remember more or less how many comments there were already or just make a guess, you just go to the URL and replace the digit.

It is clunky but better than clicking several times on “Newer comments”

Agent P
Agent P
4 years ago

@forge,

fucking hilarious.

Better watch out for the Curling Cunts of Canada 49th division invading at the Soo too. There will be granite rocks a plenty lobbed across the St Mary River come February.

The streets will rub black with Tim’s Coffee

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Pellaeon Re laser eye… I would work it in as soon as you can, recognizing the issues in getting close enough for itnto really work. I am a firm believer in making you intentions very clear as soon as possible especially when “indirect”… To get it on the table as job one you are a sexual guy and while the interaction can go a lot of ways you and her just being platonic friends is not a possibility… Like ok we may not fuck now… But we are going to at some point… The faster you get that put there… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Eh Intellect: “In 60 years the FI has essentially driven the rational male into one voting block.” The great divide was city/country. If you look at the voting map, by county, it’s nearly solid red with dots of blue. @Andy: Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to learn how to be a real fake. Yes, it is all fake from your previous perspective, but in your new perspective if you kick a rock your toes still hurt and the rock still doesn’t care. The fake reality continues to be real anyway. All that has changed is the… Read more »

Bachelorocles
Bachelorocles
4 years ago

@Rollo I’ve thought about this for a long time. Here’s where I’m at right now. Any alpha can and will turn into a beta provider when the sex he receives from his woman becomes connected to or associated with the provisioning, when the relationship, in other words, is transformed into soft prostitution. I don’t mean to offend married guys but it is what it is. Some LTR are founded on provisioning (prostitution) from the start. Think Hugh Hefner. Most LTRs arise out of sexual attraction. But there comes a point at which the female will come to feel she is… Read more »

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
4 years ago

@Sentient
Thanks, that’s helpful.

ivansteward
ivansteward
4 years ago

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201603/the-big-stall

Even the mainstream is picking up on all this

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Roy
Roy
4 years ago

Rollo. In some post you said something that I think it should be an Iron Rule of Tomassi, and it goes something like: Alpha traits are useful only for short term mating. Short term mating is not provisioning, not playing captain save a hoe, not putting up with someone whose looks and attractiveness decay as decades pass, not inviting the State in your bedroom, not anything that a man would do (motivated by banging a particular woman) that compromises or puts at any risk a man’s emotional and financial stability because he has options and he is his mental point… Read more »

DrDoom
DrDoom
4 years ago

I think this defined article me at one point in my life, I had everything going for me expect that i made my oneitis my MPO and everything got fucked.

sportsdroppings
sportsdroppings
4 years ago

This post reminded me of two brothers who are friends of mine, both professional fighters. The older one is the much more accomplished fighter. Fought in the UFC, went 5-2, and even KO’ed a future title contender. But had a temper and alcohol issue which essentially got him booted. But in terms of getting men to follow him, and his dedication and focus, completely Alpha. The problem is with women. He’s a very good looking guy, square-jawed and all, but his evaluation of his SMV is heart-breakingly low, judging from the mongrels he gloms onto. And it’s ONEitis each time,… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
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