Blue Pill Alphas

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A comment from Softek gets us started today:

My friend was telling me the other night how seeing multiple women “isn’t worth it.”

I’ve heard that more than once from more than one of my friends.

And how “living with the guilt and shame” and “hating themselves” was destroying their lives….

Very hard schema to break out of when it’s been imprinted on you. My own father self-proclaims to be “in favor of the damsels in distress,” including his recent, unquestionable defense of my friend’s mom, who divorced his dad after 35 years of marriage.

My dad didn’t even question her motives for a second and after she spent the evening hanging out with my mom and him, and told them the supposed “real” reasons she got a divorce, my dad automatically cut contact with the guy and again proclaimed his belief that men should protect all “damsels in distress.”

He’s even taken shots at me when my girlfriend’s been over, clearly siding with her and telling her things like “Keep him in line” and “Straighten him out” and calling me an idiot and scolding me if I don’t pull her chair out for her or put her coat on for her when she stands up.

No doubt, my self sabotaging of a clear opening for a hookup with an HB8 23 year old has been influenced by all of this. I didn’t realize how Beta I was until I actually got into a relationship.

I didn’t even know I HAD these programs because I was incel before, and had a couple one night stands that never developed into anything more. I also didn’t even know my DAD had these programs until he started doing shit like actually scolding me in front of my girlfriend and instructing her to “train me” and things like that.

To be honest I was kind of in shock that my own father would think like that. It felt like he was turning on me and it pissed me off. Even in a small way, to let his Blue Pill conditioning get in the way of his relationship with his own son — that really got to me, and not in a good way. I felt like my dad is supposed to be on my side, and to see him treating her better than he treats me and having conversations with her and helping her work out her finances and giving her career advice and all that while he won’t even give me the time of day….

….simply, it’s eye-opening. It’s tough to truly go Red Pill when everyone around you, including your own father/family members/friends are Blue Pill, and especially when they’re an active, regular part of your life, not just a figment of your imagination.

But there is no other way.

Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic. Softek’s father’s reflexive responses are endemic of men who are Alpha White Knights. Their reactions are behaviorally Alpha, but their reasoning is founded in their investments in Blue Pill conditioning. The usual schema revolve around an attempt to display higher value by identifying with and qualifying for women whom they presuppose have default authority and correctness above men in general.

This then manifests as an exaggerated AMOGing of any guy who would not affirm his investments in that Blue Pill ego-investment. So you get a guy who blusters like Softek’s Dad at Red Pill awareness – it’s both an opportunity to prove value as a White Knight and a resistance against any truths that would challenge his Blue Pill ego.

In my own life I’ve known several men who anyone in the ‘sphere would objectively call Alpha. Their default is to action, dominance, authority and control of whatever life puts in front of them. They handle their shit, they own their business ventures, they have all the Dark Triad traits you might expect from a guy like this – but put them in a social setting with a girl and they go as Beta as any Blue Pill guy you’ll ever know. Their Blue Pill conditioning predisposes them to compartmentalize this aspect of their personality to effectively put their dominant personality to the use of the Feminine Imperative.

Dangerous White Knights

Maybe I’m the only guy who watched both seasons of Daredevil on Netflix, but if you watch the first season where they go into the origin and character of Wilson Fisk (Kingpin) this is exactly the type of guy I’m talking about. Wildly Alpha, wildly unstable, but still in control of his empire. Put a woman in his life and he transitions all of that Alpha energy to essentially worshiping that woman. In fact, this prioritizing of women above his own interests is the motivation for his empire building. These are the Alpha White Knights who channel that Alpha energy to making his Blue Pill idealisms a reality for any woman who fits his ideal.

And when that Blue Pill ideal reveals itself to be a fantasy – or God forbid, a Red Pill aware guy should take this fantasy away from him intentionally or not – you will see him self destruct, and likely take either that woman, that Red Pill guy, or both along with him.

That’s one type of Blue Pill Alpha. Another is the guy who is Alpha in one context, but Beta in another. These are the guys I describe when I talk about my military friends who’ve faced live ammo being fired at them by people intent on killing them who hold up like nails and get their job done while commanding other men. Put them in a domestic situation or a position where they have to fall back on their Blue Pill conditioning in dealing with women and they’ll defer automatically to the Frame of their wives without a thought. When their wives up and leave them, these are some of the first men to swallow a bullet by their own hand.

Again, this is an Alpha who’s never been awakened to his Blue Pill conditioning. Say even one marginally critical word about women in general and they’re the first in line to kick your ass. But they’re also the most likely to self destruct when their Blue Pill idealism is challenged or crushed.

A lot gets made about the status of ‘Paper Alphas’, but I’m beginning to think term is a bit in error. I’m dropping this here today because I think there’s a misunderstanding about how Alpha energy is channeled with respect to a guy being Red Pill aware, and a guy who is still plugged into the feminine-primary Matrix and at the mercy of how women (and other men) will exploit his Blue Pill ego-investments. In the manosphere we tend to conflate Alpha with Red Pill, but as I always say, Alpha is a mindset and not representative of whether that man is in fact ‘woke’ to his conditions and manipulations.

When I watched how the Marvel writers handled the character of Wilson Fisk I got chills because I have personally counseled Blue Pill, but predominantly Alpha, guys who’ve stabbed the new boyfriends of their ex-girlfriends because he was perceived as the catalyst to the destruction of his Blue Pill ideal – union with his ONEitis girlfriend.

I’m emphasizing this because I think it’s important for Red Pill aware men to understand the dangers of being perceived as the antithesis of these men’s ego-investments in Blue Pill idealism. This may take the form of him just despising you for revealing uncomfortable truths to him with your own presence and lifestyle, or it may be him pinning his failures to consolidate his Blue Pill ideals to you and wanting to eliminate both you and the truth you represent.

I’m sorry if this is a bit sobering, but it needs to be said. As most readers know, I consider Alpha and Beta abstract terms; they are placeholders for concepts, thus, it is entirely possible for a largely Alpha man to be thoroughly invested in his Blue Pill conditioning. Likewise, it is also possible for more Beta men to be some of the most Red Pill aware men you’re likely to meet. It’s when a Beta man is ego-invested in the Blue Pill that he’s most to be pitied, while a Red Pill aware Alpha is likely to be the most celebrated. But that’s not to say the Red Pill and Alpha, or the Blue Pill and Beta are mutually exclusive concepts.

Is Provisioning Inherently a Characteristic of a Beta Mindset?

In this week’s post the proposition came up that any provisioning was inherently a Beta trait. I’ve read this before and not just on my blog, but also coming from both the MGTOW and the PUA sides of the fence. The idea is that any form of monogamy and/or provisioning for an LTR girlfriend (and I would count a live-in arrangement as provisioning), a wife and any kids (prospectively) is itself evidence of a Beta mindset.

I think the problem with this presumption rests in defining what the act of provisioning means both an Alpha and a Beta mindset. For both, this depends on their approach to their primary sexual strategies and reconciling it with the eventual necessity of his own parental investment in raising children, and/or maintaining relational Frame (or not) within a monogamy that at least promotes the wellbeing of any children.

As a reference here, I’m going to link Myth of the Good Guy to give a bit of perspective in this.

While it’s true that lower SMV men generally, necessarily, opt for a sexual strategy of primary investment in one mate (via provisioning) and higher SMV men can afford a sexual strategy of lower investment while seeking more sexual opportunities, those strategies are not necessarily reflective of each man’s mindset. As I mentioned in the beginning here, it is entirely possible for a subjectively Alpha man to subscribe to a Blue Pill conditioned mindset and vice versa for Beta men becoming Red Pill aware.

So yes, provisioning can be Beta if that provisioning (and what it took to achieve it) is the result of an effort to secure the sustained sexual interests of a single woman, as motivated by his perceived necessity to invest himself as I mentioned above for a low SMV man. However, if you have a high SMV guy who’s provisioning capacity is the byproduct of his Alpha mindset (or nature if you prefer) and not the result of his sexual strategy to build it to invest in any single woman, is that guy’s provisioning inherently a Beta characteristic?

We’ve had an interesting discussion about this in the last comment thread, and In the interests of full disclosure here, I’m still on the fence about this concept. I’ll have a forthcoming post about mindset soon.

Provisioning is certainly a value added aspect to a guy who a woman sees as an Alpha sex prospect already, and not a necessary a prerequisite for fucking him, but it’s not a disadvantage (being Beta) if that Alpha guy also has means, affluence, status, looks, etc. That said, and I’ve related this before, some of the most memorable sex experiences I’ve ever had were when I was an unemployed semi-pro musician in the late 80s-early 90s with almost zero means, but was somehow able to bang over 40 women then.

Provisioning is not a prerequisite for any man with Game, but is it inherently Beta? Possibly, when a guy has the Blue Pill mindset that makes him believe in the Relational Equity fallacy and he subscribes to the Blue Pill conditioned idea that he’s inherently lower SMV than ANY woman (like Softek’s Dad), thus he must improve his odds of successfully breeding by being a “good provider”. And as I, and anyone in the manosphere, will relate this old books providerhood is fast becoming an obsolete sexual strategy for Beta men.

This is, I think, the hesitation that most guys wanting to avoid the stink of ‘Beta Provider’ will argue for. But is a nominally Alpha guy, who has excess means and resources being “Beta” by providing for his wife & family? If that man’s dominant personality is ‘Alpha’ does this predispose women (or his wife) to rationalize his provisioning as an Alpha trait, or is it just an endearing (positive), comforting Beta trait / behavior that solidifies her attraction (if not arousal) to him?

I don’t think that the act of provisioning itself is inherently Beta or Alpha, rather it’s the mindset and status of that guy that makes it so. What do we call a an Alpha with ample means who refuses to adequately provide for his wife and/or kids? What do we call a Beta who’s based his life and marriage on his capacity to provide once he’s lost his job? Why do women statistically look down on men who don’t provide in equal or greater measure to their own contributions? Despite all the equalist boilerplate beliefs to the contrary, why do women feel little or no attraction to a non-provisioning house-husband? If provisioning were a net Beta trait why is its absence a source of decreased attraction for men?

I should also add that this perception of whether a man is Alpha or Beta in his provisioning is subjective to whatever phase of maturity a woman find herself in, and is modified by her own necessitousness – which, as has been argued in the ‘sphere ad infinitum, has become increasingly less dependent on men. It’s no coincidence that back in the early 90s for me, the women I was banging were largely girls in their SMV peak years (21-24) or they we’re the occasional cougars of the time who were already divorced and still reasonably attractive enough to pass the boner test for me. My capacity to provision for either of these demographic of women made little difference to my sex appeal, but for different reasons.

Roissy even covers this aspect of women’s sexual prioritization in The Difficulty of Gaming Women by Age Bracket:

31 to 34 year olds

In some ways, women in the 31-34 age range are the toughest broads to game. (By “toughest”, it is meant “most time consuming”.) It’s counterintuitive, yes, but there are factors at work besides her declining beauty which mitigate against the easy, quick lay. For one, it is obviously harder to meet single 31-34 year old women than it is to meet single younger women. Marriage is still a pussy-limiting force to contend with for the inveterate womanizer, but Chateau apprentices are hard at work battling the scourge of mating market disturbances caused by the grinding and churning of the marriage machine.

But the bigger reason 31-34 year olds are harder to game than any other age group of women has to do with the wicked nexus of entitlement and self-preservation that occurs at this age in women. When you combine a disproportionate sense of entitlement fueled by years of feminism, steady paychecks and promotions, and cheerleading gay boyfriends with suspicions of every man’s motives and a terrible anxiety of being used for a sexual fling sans marriage proposal, you get a venom-spitting malevolent demoness on guard against anything she might perceive as less than total subjugation to her craving for incessant flattery and princess pedestaling.

Note that Chateau guests aren’t necessarily complaining. A harder-to-game 33 year old is kind of like getting bumped down from a Honda Civic rental but driving off the lot with the consolation prize of a Ferrari.

Listen to any man who is good with women and they will tell you the same thing:

“I have an easier time bedding and dating 23 year olds than I do 33 year olds.”

While I do concur with the assessment about women’s exaggerated sense of entitlement, I would also argue that this difficulty is a result of women’s prioritizing long-term security (emotional and provisional) as part of their sexual strategy reprioritizations that come in the wake of their Epiphany Phase. Ergo, this would explain the ease in gaming women pre and post Epiphany Phase. Provisioning and long term security are low sexual priorities for these demographics of women.

But does that make a capacity for provisioning inherently a Beta trait? I think it’s easy to misconstrue that capacity as Beta, because provisioning is a high-value attribute that is expected from Beta men according to their own sexual strategy. Provisioning is associated with Betas because it is integral to their sexual strategy, and also part of the Blue Pill plan for which women are hoping to fulfill at a point in their maturity when they are subjectively at their most necessitous.

What do you think?

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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I’m getting some pretty funny texts this AM lol. Just because I suspected Trump would win, and found his international policies less dangerous than Clinton’s.

“Well my specific reason to be outraged is sexual assault. We have someone that LITERALLY SAYS he physically touches women W/O ANY consent because “he can’t help himself”. What facts are incomplete about that?”

Just…the matrix has him. Usually a logical-ish dude, AND he used to be a PUA.

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” . . . the numbers-only guys were off base.”

Number smart, people stupid.

“Props to Styxhexenhammer.”

My favorite liberal, Satanist. I don’t even hold his being in Rutland against him. I’m listening to his second video of the morning right now.

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Aaaaand he’s got a third up already. He’s enjoying this.

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@Andy finally getting back to you…lol… (i didn’t forget, i just got a lot going on…) your ‘perception’ of your reality really is a choice… (yes, really…) and things/actions/etc really do have meaning… the ‘problem’ (and it’s really not THAT…lol… it’s more of a way-point on your journey…) is that usually the ‘meaning’ is imputed by the FI/social conditioning (cultural values) that you have acquired… once you tentatively swallow the RP, some of that meaning goes away/changes… and then at some point you swallow harder, and the RP bell rings… and you can’t go back… at this point you exist… Read more »

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I watched his livestream. He was drinking wine and giggling, all while giving more detailed commentary than I could find anywhere else.

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@Forge: “I watched his livestream.”

The only live commentary I even thought about paying attention to, although I did note that my favorite Watermelon (green on the outside, red on the inside. People smart, but Real World stupid) put up a couple of recorded videos during the night. He seems to still be sleeping it off. Nothing from him yet today.

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“your ‘perception’ of your reality really is a choice… ” @habd Yeah… I’m starting to get that. You’re right to a point. I have to figure out what my goals are now. “where any path you could possibly want is actually available to you… but then you sort of get stuck in ‘analysis paralysis’ about your choices…” I get that. What I was talking about before was just that in reality attachment to other people/stuff is just ego. Which is great when you’re ditching the shitty stuff, but then having the realization that the good stuff is just as fake…… Read more »

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Breaking News –

The National Grocer’s Association is reporting crow inventories at historically low levels. Shortages are especially acute in New York, Washington DC, Silicon Valley and West Los Angeles.

Please act accordingly.

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PS … If Trump starts executing on a third of his mandate within the first 100 days he may not live to see them out.

Pray for safety President Trump…

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Well, Donald conned his way into the Presidency. Good for him. But for me there are 2 much more interesting stories. 1) laugh my fucking ass off at teh media. They jumped in the tank for Clinton from the moment she became involved. Now they are all shocked and stunned. I’m glad. Their bias was nauseating. I bathe in their butthurt. Polls? Polls? We don’t need no stinking polls. 2) regardless of Trump’s lack of political, and even general knowledge, he’s not a fucking lying standard politician. He is a con man pure and simple. Now ( hopefully) he will… Read more »

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“Don’t know if this is ” good” or ” bad “, but it will be different, and I’d like some different now.” I’ve been telling people for ages that if Dick Gregory ran again, I’d vote for him. Not because I agree with him, per se (and he wouldn’t be able to do what he wants anyway), but simply because he would give the tree a mighty shake. Lordy it’s been needing it. “The Clinton dynasty stopped cold.” I won’t rest at peace until I see the body in a coffin, a stake through its heart and its head in… Read more »

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@ kfg

TRUTH!!!!

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Speaking of which, Hillary has sobered up and calmed down enough to actually give a concession speech. One in which she called on Trump to “work together with me.”

Isn’t it about time somebody told her she’s just a retired, old lady doing “charity” work while she waits to die? “Charity” work for which she is still under investigation for any number of felonies for?

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@Andy I get that. What I was talking about before was just that in reality attachment to other people/stuff is just ego. if by ‘just ego’ you mean ‘just a group of chemical processes that lead to other groups of chemical processes, which continues until a necessary catalyst/chemical interaction ceases to occur, and then it all stops’…, then i agree…lol… you can drive yourself crazy trying to completely analyze this shit… trust me, i’ve tried…lol… and besides completely understanding the nature of the universe…lol… what i’ve finally figured out… is that NONE of that shit matters…lol… at least for day-to-day… Read more »

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“if by ‘just ego’ you mean ‘just a group of chemical processes that lead to other groups of chemical processes, which continues until a necessary catalyst/chemical interaction ceases to occur, and then it all stops’…, then i agree…lol…”

nope… Ego is software. It really FEELS like hard wiring… But it’s not. Trust me though… KNOWING that is not necessarily a good thing.

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Kobayashii 1681. Of course action stems from the mental. The question is that provisioning is Alfa or beta. It is my opinion that provisions are part of a mans natural burden of performance. A by product if you will. That to be a part of any tribe , clan or city- state that a man is expected to produce are perform some added value to the whole of the society that he is in. It is neither Alfa or beta. 10,000 years ago females didn’t care if you was AF or beta just stab the fucking mastodon and now females… Read more »

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@Blax

Maybe Trump will remodel the White House so that it has ten penthouses, then rent them out. I want to see if he gets indictments on Billary.

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@Andy – Ego isn’t “software”, one always has a sense of themselves and their own value. It’s intrinsic to our consciousness and identities to have a sense of who we are hierarchically and socially. The question is how ego invested you are in your beliefs? How much of a payoff do you get for being who you are and for what you believe? I think you are having an existential crisis, as I am. Seeing through illusions is painful and not always rewarding. Once you’ve done so it’s quite hard to let yourself put up just another set to see… Read more »

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@habd

your ‘perception’ of your reality really is a choice… (yes, really…)

Nuh-unh…the cup is REALLY half full.

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@scribb

lol. remember a few weeks ago when you were saying all hope is lost, hillary will win, they’ll shut down all the redpill sites, get used to it and say it with me MADAM PRESIDENT.

lol

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Well said Blax What did that Who song say? Hello to the new boss, same as the old boss, hope we dont get fooled again? Sums up elections my whole 46 years. Folks wanted different because the old set of rules weren’t working for them…. sort of like how guys find game/ red pill. The old dating play book failed them, the new game plan might fail them too but that’s a worry for a later day, and initially men feel good simply because they took a proactive step in a new direction Many folks wanted different with Obama and… Read more »

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The National Grocer’s Association is reporting crow inventories at historically low levels.

Not to worry, TheDonald will have more shipped in in plenty of time for feasting by talking heads.

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“Ego isn’t “software”, one always has a sense of themselves and their own value. It’s intrinsic to our consciousness and identities to have a sense of who we are hierarchically and socially.” That’s the thing though. It is software, and it isn’t a belief. It’s knowledge. It’s an epiphany you need to experience. Identity is not intrinsic to our consciousness. Who we are is consciousness in a human body. Nothing else. Social hierarchy is an illusion of the ego. We’re all the same underneath the software. Trust me. It’s a mindfuck, and it’s not something that you can explain. Although… Read more »

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Many folks wanted different with Obama and they got the same shit as they always got. Obma was pretty much Bush

One major difference between Obama and other prez’s…Obama reduced the international influence of the U.S…It was to be expected because it’s in line with Obama political philosophy…NeoAntiColonialism

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+1 on the Sotics. Didn’t finish the book because I was brought up that way but useful read for most men

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I see the election results less of a Trump vs Clinton and more of the disenfranchised white working class telling both parties. the coastal elites, 3rd wavers, gender fluids, and SJWs to FUCK OFF!

The liberal / FI social engineering bubble has popped. The ship has sailed and they’re not getting it back in the bottle.

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@Hank – Re: Trump – Yeah, I was wrong about the polling models. I knew they were understating Trump’s support but not by how much. Trump’s election is of course a symptom of a much larger issue in our electorate. But even then, he barely won. Many of you seem to miss this somehow. HRC almost won, despite everything including her own shitty candidacy and Trump’s overwhelming douchiness. Great, I’m happy he won instead of HRC. Now the question is what will he do with the political capital he’s accrued? Let’s wait until he’s successfully announced and deployed a single… Read more »

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“The liberal / FI social engineering bubble has popped. The ship has sailed and they’re not getting it back in the bottle.”

lol no

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“Obama was Bush” – this is why I don’t talk politics much in the manosphere. Only a person dreadfully ignorant of reality could make this statement. They were both problematic in different ways. They pursued utterly different policies in almost every area that POTUS controls.

Facts matter…

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@scrib Let’s wait until he’s successfully announced and deployed a single policy successfully which brings meaningful change to how our federal govt works and the policies it pursues. Let’s watch him get legislation through. Let’s see him handle a global crisis or national security challenge. I think that you’re misreading what white working men want TheDonald to do. They want him to become Saboteur-in-Chief as far as the govt. budget and collecting taxes are concerned. They DON’T want him to make Washington work. Of course, Trump is expected to be able to handle international crises and to keep the U.S.… Read more »

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No, Andy, you are wrong. Our identity and consciousness are emergent properties of our neurology that have had huge payoffs in the “social construction” of humanity. Thinking you are better, competing and judging yourself is inescapable. This is the kind of infantile reasoning in the manosphere which has to be smashed. You can no longer avoid having an “ego” than you can avoid breathing. Your thoughts and feelings and consciousness aren’t “software”, in fact there is a ton of “hardware” involved. And because of epigenetics and neuroplasticity, there is variation but in the end there is no escaping have an… Read more »

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LOL, they both spent massive amount of money, created a larger government and a larger national debt, both did a shit job on the war on terror and almost all other frogien policy areas, bothe were into free trade, both had open borders etc etc etc difference by degrees? Sure

In paratical terms?

Same same.

I can assure you, I don’t speak on any topic I am unfamiliar with.

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I think that you’re misreading what white working men want TheDonald to do. They want him to become Saboteur-in-Chief as far as the govt. budget and collecting taxes are concerned. They DON’T want him to make Washington work. Of course, Trump is expected to be able to handle international crises and to keep the U.S. from risk of serious harm.
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Legit

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““The soul becomes dyed with the colour of its thoughts.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations”

Strength and honor.
Maximus: Nothing happens to anyone that he is not fitted by nature to bear.
https://muse.jhu.edu/book/18163

“Very little is needed to make a happy life; it is all within yourself in your way of thinking.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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I think the inevitable violent pushback that comes from Trump’s win will change your mind about this.
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You have no idea how bad I want to see the left and all it’s sub groups turn violent.

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Ask me how I know this…I meditated until I “disappeared” once, after years of meditation practice and Buddhist study. I did things like read The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying over the course of a year in which I only meditated upon my death. In which I carefully observed my mind in action exquisitely. In great depth. I would mediate on it for hours.
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LOL

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@sentient I see you are well on your way to becoming an crotchety old man. “Here’s my task for you. Go try and pick up 18-25 year olds off cold approach in day game. Also go to a club and pick up 18-25 year olds there. Push all the way to the bang, although you can stop right at PinV if you’re married or whatever. Point though is to get to the point where you COULD bang them. Then post your FRs here.” Done and done… and done… and done again… don’t be such a whiny faggot…. others are doing… Read more »

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“No, Andy, you are wrong.” I’m right. “Our identity and consciousness are emergent properties of our neurology that have had huge payoffs in the “social construction” of humanity.” True. “Thinking you are better, competing and judging yourself is inescapable.” Untrue. Like I said, it might be a good thing for you because you identify as a victim which is where your problem lies. All these guys fawning over your problems only intensifies that identity which will never actually result in you fixing yourself. You are not special. Period. Neither am I by the way. If you want help I could… Read more »

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Best place to pick up strippers is the gym

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@scribb Trump’s election is of course a symptom of a much larger issue in our electorate. But even then, he barely won. Many of you seem to miss this somehow. HRC almost won, despite everything including her own shitty candidacy and Trump’s overwhelming douchiness. Firstly, Hillary did more to prevent a Hillary presidency than Trump. As for the “close election” he’s gonna end up with 306 electoral votes. Obama had 332 against Romney. Its not a comfortable lead, but he still won with some to spare. And he took states like Wisconsin and Michigan that are usually solidly blue states.… Read more »

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Yeah, Ton, sure, Obama was the same as Bush. Cuz you are a warrior, you know this. Got it. And sure, you can think your way out of having an ego, Andy, Because of course, one only has an ego because one thinks he is a victim. Right, yeah, okay. Do I need to say anything more? Please, keep up the brilliant analyses, it’s breathtaking. Hint for Andy: If you pass out from trauma related illness and develop numerous other health effects from childhood trauma and abuse, are you a “victim” or not? Perhaps you’ve never had such a thing… Read more »

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I won’t make you ask. You should read these books.

Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damndest Thing
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Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment. by Jed McKenna

If the first one fucks you up, wait a while before you read the second one.

MOST PEOPLE SHOULD NOT READ THESE BOOKS. If you like your life they will FUCK YOU UP.

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@pua @forge @yareally @scray just for shits and giggles I took the advice of a post from CH (i know I know, but today is a crazy day so why not for go for a crazy change right lol) and texted the girls on my phone “#MAGA”. Which was especially funny to me since like half of them are black girls…lol and actually got 2 responses back already lol. Working on them now, will let you know how the text game goes in a bit. actually, there was three. I get a call from the mall asian the other day.… Read more »

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An utterly brilliant reorrt from someone supposedly so intelligent they can’t talk about politics

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@Scribb “Trying to transcend it is pointless. And that’s how I know it. Yes, there as a certain pain to watching the world put itself together in my mind. To see how I made my reality, but I could no longer stop doing it than I could stop breathing.” I suspect you’re aware, but in Hindu terms what happened is you saw past maya. Most people never do. But, as you experienced, it tends to come back, and with good reason. Maya is nothing other than the distinctions between things that allows individual things to exist in the first place;… Read more »

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Hah, Rollo’s just reading these comments like…dudes, I just wanted to talk about chicks man…

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@hank

Good gambit!

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@kfg

“I did note that my favorite Watermelon…”

Hah, who’s that?

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” MOST PEOPLE SHOULD NOT READ THESE BOOKS. If you like your life they will FUCK YOU UP.”

http://newhopeecho.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/book-burning-900×643.jpg

Depends on how you like your life.

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@Blaximus @Scray “Provisioning is beta behavior period, always….buuuttt, it’s okay and not a bad thing. Still beta behavior always.” You’re doing exactly what we’re saying you’re doing and you refuse to listen. You keep combining a beta ACTION with a judgement of a man as himself to his core being a beta PERSON. That’s why you keep losing your shit. It’s like we’re saying “this car is old” and you’re saying “OH SO IT’S A BAD CAR THAT CAN’T DRIVE ANYWHERE HUH?!?!?” No, that’s not what we’re saying, we’re just saying it’s objectively an older car than a car made… Read more »

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@ Forge

El-oh-El

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Hank

It’s the gamma rage holding you back…

You wont improve till you get a handle on it… Radiates from the boy… Consider you had plenty of chances to expand upon my advice to you months ago yet uou just want to be defensive and proclaim how right you are… Despite the evidence to the contrary… Keep swinging.

Ps – yareally isnthe one who leeps bringing the stripper up… And you now…

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Nothing wrong with strippers.

Just sayin’.

I’ve watched battalions of guys in the S-club dropping mortgages and car payments trying to bang a stripper, and getting nothing beyond a lap dance and titty squeeze.

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“noticing tho with cold texts is to text her something that makes her have to text you back. Like “wait, what.” she can’t ignore it. She has to know. Then you go into more game related topics…like with these girls I went immediately into asking them about their halloween and what they dressed up as.”

You got it, spike her emotions to make her have to scratch that itch then proceed accordingly. Don’t forget to push for a meetup while she’s on an attraction high, otherwise you’re just giving her free validation and congrats, you’ve entered orbit.

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@Sentient The one defining moment about moving towards a Red Pill reality is rage….rage at the realization what you believed was all bullshit, that the fact you waited for a girl to return your call, that you believed if you did something nice you’d be rewarded….rage is an important emotion to experience as long as it’s done without lashing out at other people…. Feeling that rage and letting it pass through is something I do when I work out, when I run…I work on it so that I can move towards acceptance. When I think of how I believed my… Read more »

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Wala

Gamma rage is channeled the wrong way… It is towards blame and rationalization to preserve the Little King ego.

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@Forge: “Hah, who’s that?”

Former Bernie Boy, H. A. Goodman. Trump has brought together some strange bedfellows. He voted for Stein, but he’s giddy at the idea that Trump is what the Democrats deserve for fucking Sanders over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxtli_hIOik

And then there’s this:

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Rollo says “I think the inevitable violent pushback that comes from Trump’s win will change your mind about this.”

Who is going to administer this “violent pushback”? Pussy looking faggots like the millennial hipster in the pic at the top of this post?

El-oh-el.

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P and S- Any supposed “red pill man” who supports a feminist like Hillary is in fact a blue pill cuck.

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@lh “YaReally again has it right counting the little +/-. Once you become good at seeing women’s true reactions you can easily test the little effects of little actions. Every bit of provisioning or even caring dries the pussy somewhat.” This. Like, you can DO this in sets and relationships and observe it yourself. Literally the MMSL is about executing more alpha actions, it’s not just “go meditate and read Eckhart Tolle”. But executing those actions, if you attribute the success properly (to yourself VS your actions), can help build those mindsets. And developing good mindsets, regardless of how you… Read more »

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“…Also it’s Juggler not Jester😉”

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2088/2881/1600/topgun_7.jpg

Yeah, cause Jester’s dead….

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@YaReally “Fuck if I know lol I can’t think of more clear ways to say what we’re saying. It’s like driving on cruise control while the other guy is accidentally speeding up and slowing down and then asks you “bro why do you drive so erratically??” afterward. I don’t know how we can drive any more consistent, just gotta wait for them to stop fucking with their gas pedals.” Hey. High five. You actually just wrote a coherent comment. Good job. Thanks for keeping to your lane. P.S. I can think of more clear ways to say what you are… Read more »

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@pua @yareally @forge @othergrain Okay, update on my little text adventure. Like I said, I did the “#MAGA” text to all my numbers. Its like 9 girls or something. I got 3 responses. That’s a big improvement from my last attempt which was “party on the 20th, who’s coming?” and only netted me a single response. This new one seemed to work better because it forces girls to investigate. First one is the single mom who’s number I grabbed a few weeks ago ME: #MAGA HER: ? ME: Have you been living under a rock? lol ME: Trump? Make america… Read more »

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Hank

You may also have reading comprehension issues… Whenever you even start to get advice you dont like you go off with the defensive rage and then you get nothing. Especially when you start off telling the advice giver they suck… And then you try to frame it as the advice givers fault for not helping you the exact way you want… Textbook.

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where’s your FR from halloween. been wanting to read that

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@Pellaeon More and more, I’m seeing personal evidence that attitude and behaviors, ie game, trump looks by a large degree. So thanks Scray and YaReally – you two were the biggest catalysts in getting me back on the pick up path. Notice when you laser a girl, is she looking at your 6 pack? Or your six digit salary? Or your chiseled features? No, she’s focused 100% on just your eyes. Same when you neg a girl successfully. You didn’t suddenly mutate into George Clooney, you just spiked her emotions and generated attraction. As you get more into game, you’ll… Read more »

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@Sentient

I’m no Hitch or anything myself but when the guy says..

“Yeah, all you do is give these vague phrases”

He’s got a fuckin point lmao you do this sometimes, whether it is your intention to or not

@Hank

I googled gamma rage for you Hank. It’s a protein shake. The protein shake your taking is holding you back.

Drop the fuckin protein shake dude. Your welcome

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“@habd
your ‘perception’ of your reality really is a choice… (yes, really…)

Nuh-unh…the cup is REALLY half full.”

lol… jeez… blend a couple concepts ONE time… lol

thanks for the catch…

“reality is”… how you interact with THAT is a choice…

good luck!

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@ YaReally

Interesting take about Trump being a great example of Red Pill applied in real life.

@ Eon

re: Gamma Rage

For when you realize that you’re never going to get pussy in your entire life and your Dragonballs are about to unleash a nut of cosmic proportions:

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I just saw this headline. I’m busy now and don’t have time to read it, but I thought I would post the link real quick for everyone. Haha – I finally get to be right about something for once.

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/angelina-jolie-wins-sole-custody-165517630.html

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@Rollo: I don’t think there were any reports of violent reactions when you made your comment, so it looks like you fully predicted that one.

I’m not too sure what to think about Trump as president (I was sure Hillary would be bad), but I do not respect that kind of display. Such sore losing.

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Why is the media still whacking away at Trump? Trump is POTUS! The majority of Americans have decided.

“Not my president”?! Whose president then? Who voted for him? Not Americans?

Will those stupid fucktards rioting get out of the US of A like now if they are not Americans? What are they still doing there? Jeez!

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They’ve been winning for so long they never had to learn how to lose.

http://www.breitbart.com/live/2016-election-world-reacts-donald-trumps-stunning-upset-victory/moveon-protests-white-house/

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Students petitioning their universities for a day off to cry over Hillary losing to Trump – lol

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8367

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@Cheupez: To be fair, it seems that the majority of Americans chose Hillary (by a small difference, talking about total number of votes). But with the U.S. system, Trump was elected with a significant difference. If I recall, when the most recent Bush was elected, Al Gore also had majority of total votes. The system appears to favor Republicans: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13572112/trump-popular-vote-loss I don’t know if the Electoral College is enshrined in the U.S. constitution, but the Democrats had Obama between Bush and Trump, so maybe he could have changed the system. I think that if the Democrats had a better candidate… Read more »

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colbert “They’ve been winning for so long they never had to learn how to lose. http://www.breitbart.com/live/2016-election-world-reacts-donald-trumps-stunning-upset-victory/moveon-protests-white-house/” This looks like TOXIC FEMININITY. If the tables were turned and the people that voted against Hildabeast lost it would look like toxic masculinity,now that would be a real riot. What will be interesting to see,is this a threat? enough to call in the nat guard?Police forcein full riot gear tear gas and all? Or just another gay rights march? I heard the Clintons are moving money to a non extradition country,just in case Trump keeps his campaign promise to prosecute her for her… Read more »

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Most definitely,things have gotten to the point that people vote against some thing or some one rather than for anyone in particular.

I still believe we are short the majority of the working man vote and if they had enough hope or faith in any one party or candidate this 30some % of actual tax payers would take it by stormmmmm.

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I’m relatively new to the blog (in the middle of the “Year One” posts) but I’ve already identified some issues that I have. I’m far from being alpha, but thanks to my height and okay-ish looks I do alright with ladies. I thrive when looking for hook-ups and one night stands (at clubs, pubs, etc.) but when I develop feelings for a woman I seem to forget everything that I’ve learned and turn into a master beta. The only two women that I’ve actually really cared about were friends of mine with whom I wanted something more but never had… Read more »

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“Not sure what you think enlightenment is; I’m not sure a perpetual state of ‘seeing’ exists for a human.” @forge I’m not sure what you mean. For me, I can see my ego all the time if that’s what you mean. When I had my “no self” realization which happened here: https://therationalmale.com/2016/07/29/the-cardinal-rule-of-sexual-strategies/comment-page-3/#comment-165220 My mind split. Like there’s two minds. At least that what it feels like. And you realize that the ego is just software, and the “I am” is above that, and can observe the ego. Here’s how I functioned before and most people function: (“I am ego”) <-… Read more »

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City i am in atm had 100 or so former Black Lives Matter former Occupy Wall Street former … protesters roaming the streets chanting Fuck Trump and spray painting up innocent businesses…

Soros makes them earn their money… To make the fedgov give ours away…

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@Alberto Welcome to comments. A few quick thoughts: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/ Even though the Chateau Heartiste 16 commandments of poon sound irreverent if read out loud in mixed company, they are a guide post set of principles for male game based on how male/female function was designed. They revolve around the concept of Masculine/Feminine polarity and complementary-ism. They revolve around what happens outside the Hivemind Matrix. How sexual relationships actually work fundamentally. The same exact principles are explained in more standard prose in the first part David Deida’s book “The way of the Superior Man.” (so much so that the 16 commandments… Read more »

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Ah hell

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The funny thing is that Schwarzenegger would have been president if it wasn’t for the constitutional requirement to be born in the US. He would be a much better president than Trump will be. I am surprised that Trump alpha-ed his way to the presidency. He seemed to be doing much worse in the general than in the primary.

The electoral college thing is not going away since 2/3 of the states would have to approve any constitutional change and it would require small states to give up power.

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Would require rural states to give up power. County by county Trump/ the GOP in general crushes the dnc like bugs. Even in a goodly number of the states that always go blue

Without the electoral vote, folks would only need to pull NYC, DC, la, etc and the counties surrounding those cities.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

It is probably the only check of the checks and balances set up when my forefathers established the nation

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goal of electoral college was to protect slave states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._68

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For Alberto, don’t bang the same chick more then three times in a row until you’ve banged a couple hundred of them

Always keep women in their proper place, at your feet and never any higher then #5 on your priority list.

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“He seemed to be doing much worse in the general than in the primary.” Smoke and mirrors. “The electoral college thing is not going away since 2/3 of the states would have to approve any constitutional change and it would require small states to give up power.” The US is a country, but it is not a nation, never mind a nation state. Even today, with the Federal Government having spent the last 150 years accruing power to itself to create a nation state, the US is a confederation of states, with each state having the full mechanism of government.… Read more »

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This war isn’t won with the election, but when the enemy refuses to fight. So yes, feel free, clear the playing field.

Garrsion Keillor yesterday:

“We liberal elitists are now completely in the clear. The government is in Republican hands. Let them deal with him. Democrats can spend four years raising heirloom tomatoes, meditating, reading Jane Austen, traveling around the country, tasting artisan beers, and let the Republicans build the wall and carry on the trade war with China and deport the undocumented and deal with opioids, and we Democrats can go for a long, brisk walk and smell the roses.”

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When elections are involved and human egos are involved… re-election takes precedence over the long-term needs of the country.
It takes really an overwhelming plurality… of opinion and or a crisis in order to make the kind of changes that are ultimately needed.
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