Children and Cornfields

Does anyone remember the episode of the Twilight Zone called “It’s a Good Life“? I rewatched this for this article and I’ve got to stay it still holds up and it’s just as creepy as when I watched it as a kid.

Six-year-old Anthony Fremont looks like any other little boy, but looks can be deceiving: he is a monster, a mutant with godlike mental powers, including mind-reading. Years before, he isolated his town of Peaksville, Ohio. Everybody is under his rule, even his parents. Since he’s begun isolating the town, supplies of common household items, such as bar soap, have been dwindling. He has blocked television signals, caused cars to not work, and, due to his controlling everything, he does not attend school.

The children and adults, including his own parents, tiptoe nervously around him, constantly telling him how everything he does is “good,” since displeasing him can get them wished away into a mystical “cornfield”, an unknown place, from which there is no return. At one point, a dog is heard barking angrily. Anthony thinks the dog is “bad” and doesn’t “like [him] at all,” and wishes it into the cornfield. His father and mother are horrified, but they dare not show it.

One night, due to the townsfolk having always done what he wants, he treats them to one hour of TV. Although they do not like what he shows, they tell Anthony that it was far better than what used to be on TV.

Finally, at Dan Hollins’ birthday party, he gets two presents from his wife: a bottle of brandy and a Perry Como record. As Dan is eager to listen to the record, he is reminded by everyone that Anthony does not like singing. Getting slightly drunk from the brandy, complaining about not listening to the record, and no one singing “Happy Birthday” to him, Dan cannot take the strain anymore and confronts Anthony, calling him a monster and a murderer. While Anthony’s anger grows, Dan yells for someone to attack Anthony from behind and end his reign of terror. Aunt Amy (who isn’t able to sing anymore because of Anthony) tentatively reaches for a fireplace poker, but no one has the courage to act. Anthony cries out to Dan, “You’re a bad man! You’re a very bad man! And you keep thinking bad thoughts about me!” Dan is transformed into a jack-in-the-box (ending his life), causing his wife to break down. The adults are horrified at what Anthony had done, and his father begs him to wish it into the cornfield, which he does.

Because of Amy’s earlier complaints about the heat, Anthony causes snow to begin falling outside. His father observes that the snow will kill off at least half the crops, and he is about to confront Anthony about this, but his wife and the other adults look on with worried smiles on their faces. The father then smiles and tells Anthony in a horror-tinged voice, “…But it’s good you’re making it snow. A real good thing. And tomorrow… tomorrow’s gonna be a… real ‘good’ day!”

I didn’t really understand the significance of this episode until recently. In a sense I guess I can attribute it to a more defined Red Pill Lens but the femosphere events and a few articles brought to my attention this last week reminded me of this Twilight Zone story. I’ll get to why in a bit.

The first event was the highly publicized not guilty verdict in the Jian Gomeshi rape (hoax) trial. Mike Cernovich had a quick hit post about the details here. I’ve written about the particulars of why women’s insecurity about optimizing Hypergamy drives them to insane lengths to control for it before, but my focus this time with Gomeshi wasn’t so much about the women’s lying, or the ambiguity of what constitutes rape or sexual harassment. When the Rolling Stone/UVA fraternity rape hoax was finally revealed for what it was I wrote Hysteria :

Transferring information about a man’s preselected approval amongst a collective of women is one such override. However, it’s very important for men living in a feminine-primary social order to understand that social proof is not just limited to preselection of men as potential partners.

This social proof dynamic extends to the perceptions of women in a collective peer group, as well as men for whom they have no sexual interest in, but serve their material interests nonetheless.

The current cultural atmosphere of male suspicion and autonomous rape-threat assessment of men is another variation of this perceptual, hysterical, collective belief dynamic. Women want to believe in the presumption that every man outside of their preselected, collective approved, hypergamous ideal  is a potential rape threat. In other words, a man who might, by force or coercion, assume control of her hypergamous sexual selection.

The narrative, the perception, is all that matters.

[…]women become so ego-invested in the certainty of their collective perceptions that, even in light of contrary evidence, the only acknowledged verification of that perception is how it makes them feel.

This contradiction of a collective feminine hysteria is what many luminaries of the Feminine Imperative are now being forced to confront. It’s important to remember during this UVa / Rolling Stone rape debacle that women, and more than a few enabling male sympathizers, wanted to believe this travesty was true in spite of the vaudevillian outlandishments and still refuse to accept that it isn’t.

gomeshi

The overwhelming zeitgeist consensus in this case was that the women concerned in Gomeshi’s rape trial were to be believed irrespective of facts that exonerated him. And so strong was this sentiment that suggesting the suspension of the most fundamental aspects of law was the first recourse to be considered – that consideration is to change the presumption of guilt where it affects the accusations of men by women.

Once again, just as in the UVA rape hoax, we see a feminine-primary collective social consciousness moved by a need to believe in order to maintain a collective ego-investment in that social order’s correctness. And all of that in spite of all controverting, unignorable evidence. However, the feminine conditioned reflex for feminine defined ‘justice’ in this regard has been taken a step further – an accusation of rape or sexual assault is as good as a conviction.

I can’t be too sympathetic for Gomeshi. He built his reputation on being a social justice warrior and a self-evincing ‘male feminist, but just like another notable male feminist, Hugo Schwyzer, he’s had to learn the hard way that feminist Game comes with a substantial risk.

However the salient point I took away from his trial wasn’t that women are duplicitous or a feminized society being too ready to unquestioningly presume the veracity of another woman’s rape claims. Neither was it unexpected that a need to believe that presumed guilt would come up. What struck me was the push for control, for absolute unilateral arbitrative power to condemn a man for the accusation of sexual misconduct.

What struck me was that the Feminine Imperative should seek to nakedly place itself above a rule of law that is otherwise founded on a logical, rational process of checks and balances (or at least intends to do so).

As the protests and debate swirled around Gomeshi I was also made aware of a review of a new book Girls & Sex: Navigating the Complicated New Landscape

An economics major taking a gender studies class is getting dressed in her college dorm room for a night out, cheerfully discussing sexual stereotyping in advertising with Orenstein — while at the same time grabbing a miniskirt and a bottle of vodka, the better to achieve her evening goal: to “get really drunk and make out with someone.” “You look hot,” her friend tells her — and the student, apparently registering the oddness of the scene, turns to Orenstein. “In my gender class I’m all, ‘That damned patriarchy,’ ” she says. “But . . . what’s the point of a night if you aren’t getting attention from guys?” Her ambition, she explains, “is to be just slutty enough, where you’re not a prude but you’re not a whore. . . . Finding that balance is every college girl’s dream, you know what I mean?”

Author Peggy Orenstien serves up the same reheated feminist alarmism for her young daughter that Hannah Rosin did 8 years ago. However, Orenstien escalates the narrative much in the same vein that the feminist reaction to Gomeshi has. She defines it for us:

For guys, she says, there is fun and pleasure; for girls (at least the straight ones), too little physical joy, too much regret and a general sense that the boys are in charge. Fully half the girls in Orenstein’s book say they’ve been coerced into sex, and many had been raped — among them, by the way, that econ major, who was so confused that when her assailant dropped her off the next morning, she told him, “Thanks, I had fun.” The sexual playing field Orenstein describes is so tilted no girl could win.

Orenstein presumes the control of a girl with a handle of vodka and dressed ‘just slutty enough’ rest entirely with the boys she’s making out with and more. They are ‘assailants’ by definition – a definition that depends on the Hypergamous whims of the woman involved.

I drew parallels between these stories because they are indicative of a trend I predicted a couple years ago – in a social order that prioritizes Hypergamy as the intersexual priority, men who wont cooperate with it must be legislated into complying with it. But as it develops now this doesn’t go far enough; men must be preemptively convicted of the crime of sexual misconduct before the they are ever judged worthy of a woman’s sexual interests. In other words, men are ‘assailants’ for the very attempt of presenting themselves for the intimate approval of women.

Monday’s Price of Nice post and the femosphere response to men’s want to be Nice in order to ingratiate themselves in the hopes that they might endear a woman to him highlights this even further. Men being ‘nice’ are by definition ‘assailants’.

But it’s not enough to discourage men’s niceties, they must be taught to fear the attempt of initiating anything looking like intimacy. They must fear being whisked away to the cornfield for not thinking the right way about the women they would hope to find favor with.

Commenter SJF had a poignant comment this week:

Infantile as they are, women are ill-equipped to handle power, and that which is born out of the insecurity that a man may do her wrong, turns into an exploitative, predatory misuse of power that fuels grandiose narcissism, and thus masculinizes her. The aforementioned relationships between the different aspects of the female psyche do not explain in it in its entirety, but nonetheless, should accurately depict its root and core.

Which brings us back to our six year old Anthony Fremont in the Twilight Zone episode. On a social scale we are rapidly approaching a time where coddling the childish impulsivity of women will dictate not just the rule of law for men, but will define the nature of men’s dealing with women on a fear based level. In fact we’re already beginning to see this in the workplace.

Taken to its intended and illogical extreme, given unilateral God-like arbitration of men in every aspect of society, politics, religion, academia, etc., women and their imperatives would define intersexual relations much in the same way as Anthony does with the ‘adults’ he controls.

 

 

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stuffinbox
5 years ago

@sun
I listened to the august podcast and it is good.I concur with Forge,a suggestion choose a topic for discussion have an active chairman in rotation go around the table once on topic then open the table to discussion.

insanitybytes22
5 years ago

“I have never said that society shames or represses female sexuality. The belief that women need sex less than men do is only maintained because White Knight/Blue Pill men prefer to continue to believe women are less carnal and more moral than men, but also because women often promote the idea that women need sex less than men when it suits them..” I think you should listen to Misanthropist here. My husband said something very similar long ago and he was right. Women actually do need sex as much as men, but society does indeed shame and repress us and… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Sun – I suggest you do whatever the fuck you want to with the Mantable. :-). Have you produced much content before? It’s best to learn by doing and to do it often. Yes, we may have gone on way too long yesterday but so what? Don’t drive yourself crazy with the editing. Listen to the whole thing, pick out the best parts, slap it together and put it up on the site and do another one soon. Once a month is not frequent enough to build a following, fyi. Should be weekly if you really want to build something.… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Re: InanitySucks – Right, because batshit crazy broads like her didn’t falsely accuse men of rape in the past. Here’s an article which references the infamous Air Force study of rape allegations from 1985 showing as many as 60% of the allegations being false, among lots of other data showing how often women cry rape falsely. http://ncfm.org/2009/01/issues/false-accusations/ @Rollo – Are we really going to have to put up with Insanity again? Just look at the comment she made on female sexuality; it ignores the thoughtful comments you and Forge made on the subject and calls us all more names. We… Read more »

insanitybytes22
5 years ago

” Are we really going to have to put up with Insanity again? Just look at the comment she made on female sexuality; it ignores the thoughtful comments you and Forge made on the subject and calls us all more names. We really can live without her. Emily is much less toxic.”

Ah, did I give you the feel-bad? Are you such a pathetic little coward you must run to Rollo for a bit of white knighting? Save me Tomassi, save me from the toxic little girl who speaks such scary truths.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Re: Inanity – Grandiosity, viciousness, compulsively oppositional. Relishes the fight. Sociopath? NPD? BPD? Take your pick, folks.

YaReally
YaReally
5 years ago

@Softek “I actually lied one time, saying that I went on porn and was trying to hide it from her, because she saw YaReally’s archives pop up in my URL bar when she started to type in “YouTube.” She was just staring at the list trying to read it before I went up and closed the window, got all weird and finally ‘admitted’ to her, “I WENT ON PORN!”” Fucking lol “Which turned into a huge fallout with her swearing and yelling at me, throwing dehumanizing insults at me and threatening to break up with me, then storming out and… Read more »

rugby11Luc
5 years ago

Wonder how caveclown is doing…

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

And Camro Woes, and Dirty Sanchez.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Ya – Fame is a heavy burden but somehow I know you’ll rally to the challenge…

@Rollo – You’ve said this all before. Of course, a newbie can be forgiven for not knowing the basics of human sexuality. But frequent longer term visitors claiming women have higher sex drives? That’s the definition of trolling. Just sayin’…

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Sun Wukong @Sun – I suggest you do whatever the fuck you want to with the Mantable. . Have you produced much content before? It’s best to learn by doing and to do it often. Yes, we may have gone on way too long yesterday but so what? Don’t drive yourself crazy with the editing. Listen to the whole thing, pick out the best parts, slap it together and put it up on the site and do another one soon. Once a month is not frequent enough to build a following, fyi. Should be weekly if you really want to… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

That being noted I amend,that her drive is not stronger,but would appear to be stronger because of a lack of having practiced self control.

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

@YaReally : “”If a chick I’m seeing swears and insults me over txt and threatening me with a breakup and shit, she gets radio silence for a week. She wants a breakup, she can have it, ’cause every girl out there is bringing pussy to the table, but no guy is bringing being an amazing dude to the table like we do.”” Right, but the dude is feeling the dread of being incel and then suddenly feeling like he’s part of something that society demands he be part of to be accepted. He’s convinced he has to do whatever he… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

http://www.chatelaine.com/news/exclusive-lucy-decoutere-on-the-ghomeshi-disaster/

The old scorned hag has spoken.
It’s all about feeeeeeeeeeelz.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Rollo Tomassi

March 27th, 2016 at 7:21 pm

What a nice Easter Egg of exposition. Well done.

insanitybytes22
5 years ago

“When we condition women to believe that they are in fact “just as horny as, or need sex like men” we put an (equalist) expectation upon them to adopt the same sexual nature as men.” Not at all Tomassi, I never said “equal” or the “same as.” I also never said women “want” sex as much, I said we “need” sex as much. A bit amusing, because of course you don’t see a difference between “want” and “need.” Women need sex, but they don’t want it, men want sex and think they need it. “Ergo women are encouraged to be… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Insanitybytes,

“Women need sex, but they don’t want it”

Women want sex from the “tingle” guy, but they don’t need it from the No “tingle” guy.
Fixed for you.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
Reply to  keyser Soze

Rollo
What’s your take on this?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r-JEzdow-zI&feature=youtu.be

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Re: Inanity – I’m confused. Is it that young women have been told that they should have sex like men or are the repressed wallflowers who’s sexual expression is shamed? Is it me, or has she gone even more batshit? The contradictions come in every other paragraph now. She tells Rollo women “need” sex when in the paragraph she cites above women uses the word “need”. Or maybe the box of wine hypothesis is correct? Does she do this mainly late at night? After she’s soused? The upside? She makes me really appreciate genuinely nice women. Inconsistency and emotionalism is… Read more »

Jeremy
5 years ago

@Forge the Sky Could you expand a bit on what you mean by male stoicism being the start of a ‘counter’ to concealed ovulation? I’ve not heard that concept before. Not entirely sure what you mean by male stoicism. It was an incomplete thought. Evolution, if we are to accept it as a force for change, is affected by anything it is affected/redirected/shaped by environment that life has to deal with to remain self-replicating. So if we assume that hypergamy predates hidden estrus (which I consider plausible), then I would actually presume that hidden estrus is a result of hypergamy… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
5 years ago

Love Patrice O’Neal!!

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
5 years ago

Oh and by the way, you don’t have an increase in false rape claims because society has brainwashed women. You have an increase because society has been brainwashed so women can readily be a victim of everything.

emilyy96
5 years ago

Hope y’all had a good easter. Though I will some of y’all should refrain from posting such filth like queensnake on such a Holy day. If you don’t respect the Lord, at least respect the many Christians posting here. “As we discussed in the men only round table behind her back yesterday: She likes you and Rollo. I’m not up on text messaging symbolism or whatever that vagina symbol is she giving you.” Ohhh what did you say about me behind my back? >:( Anyway, that was a heart. Or, half of one.. Forge sent me one so I sent… Read more »

hoellenhund2
5 years ago

Off-topic: there’s a moderately interesting, somewhat purple pill Australian tradcon blog that used to be offline for years but is apparently back. Rollo might find the comments of Alte here interesting:

http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-arent-germans-having-children.html

Roused
Roused
5 years ago

@Sun, I had stuff that needed to be done Saturday and was unable to make it to the Mantable discussion. I did however listen to the two previous recordings you posted while I was in my car driving for several hours yesterday to visit family up yonder. I was skeptical at first but quickly realized there is a lot of value in what you do. I enjoyed listening to both sessions recorded in May and August as there were some good laughs and personal stories, but found myself trying to take notes while driving on the highway. Admittedly not a… Read more »

Mr. H
Mr. H
5 years ago

I’ve just discovered the Red Pill, and I wondering how you can use any of this information to your advantage? Because the only rational conclusion I can come to at the moment is to not bother with women at all.

I thought women were awful anyway and have never enjoyed their company (even members of my own family), even though I couldn’t put my finger on exactly how or why, and the red pill reveals a very ugly truth, more dreadful than I could have ever imagined possible.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Another decent comment by Emily. Hope all the Christians enjoyed celebrating Christ’s resurrection.

Pinelero
Pinelero
5 years ago

@Mr H. RP knowledge of women is very useful in working at a job with them or being married. Those with children can use it to explain behavior and patterns in social interactions. For example, I always point out instances of low value male or female behavior and entitled female solipsism in TV/movies to my girls.

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Rollo, good to hear about the audio file because I bought your book, but the text is so small that I haven’t read more than 10 pages of it. Audio will work nicely on a hellish commute too.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Mr. H The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene is an important Red Pill and Game foundation. Even if you don’t “use any of this information” be aware that it is being used against you. Here are a few selected paragraphs from the introduction to that book. These words also apply to Red Pill Awareness and Game. To some people the notion of consciously playing power games—no matter how indirect—seems evil, asocial, a relic of the past. They believe they can opt out of the game by behaving in ways that have nothing to do with power. You must… Read more »

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Rollo, the extra dough you pay for editing will come back to you because I have not recommended the book because of the small font. Once you change that, more people will recommend it to others.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Mr. H

Also, 90% of Red Pill Awareness and Game is about making you yourself better.

http://therationalmale.com/2011/12/16/truth-to-power/

“….and the red pill reveals a very ugly truth, more dreadful than I could have ever imagined possible.

http://therationalmale.com/2012/04/10/the-bitter-taste-of-the-red-pill/

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Also, 90% of Red Pill Awareness and Game is about making you yourself better.”

This.

Life is hard; rejecting reality because you find aspects of it unpleasant only makes it harder.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Mr. H I found this one in KFG’s playbook: “There is nothing very odd about lambs disliking birds of prey, but this is no reason for holding it against large birds of prey that they carry off lambs. And when the lambs whisper among themselves, “These birds of prey are evil, and does this not give us a right to say that whatever is the opposite of a bird of prey must be good?” there is nothing intrinsically wrong with such an argument—though the birds of prey will look somewhat quizzically and say, “We have nothing against these good lambs;… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
5 years ago

“For example, I always point out instances of low value male or female behavior and entitled female solipsism in TV/movies to my girls.”

Constant finger cramps keeping up with that task.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Put differently:

“There is nothing very odd about HB’s disliking AFC’s, but this is no reason for holding it against HB’s that they shit on AFC’s. And when the AFC’s whisper among themselves, “These women are evil, and does this not give us a right to say that whatever is the opposite of a women must be good?” there is nothing intrinsically wrong with such an argument—though women will look somewhat quizzically and say, “We have nothing against men; in fact, we love them; nothing feels better than a masculine Alpha male.”

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

So in my head, I tried to think of what the best response to hidden estrus would be from a male perspective, and the only thing I could think of was essentially hiding male horniness, I used the word stoicism. The only way to balance the effects of hidden estrus is for all men to simply appear to not want what a women are offering, to appear uninvested, uninterested, etc.., because this again gives the perception of a lack of abundance to the women and re-balances things. Eventually such behavior would become selected for to some degree, and male emotions… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“The tribe has to first have enough food, on a reliable basis, to make reproduction a viable undertaking in the first place.” onset of the neolithic and end of the younger dryas is fascinating. the idea of having enough food is interesting because women were the ones securing the bare minimum caloric resources on a daily basis via gathering. the men went after the big score, meat, which 11K years ago was the healthiest single source of energy available and when brought back to camp was worth celebrating. free range, moderate protein, high fat diets that include blood, marrow, brains… Read more »

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
5 years ago

Folks quoting rap music now? lol, we’ve come full circle indeed. I believe early/mid ninties west coast rap will teach you everything you need to know about women. Check out Crooked I for more west coast goodness.

Chris
Chris
5 years ago

@scribblerg – after reading countless testimonials of good men who had their lives destroyed by the Antichrist that is Western family court, and observing the current economic status, not wanting kids and not having any overt desire to make them has its advantages.

L
L
5 years ago

http://cdn1.omidoo.com/sites/tgdaily/files/styles/article/public/images/original/showbiz-liberace.jpg

“an artist’s muse is always a woman.” – Fleezer

Are you sure about that? – L

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Jeremy – One minor point. There is much more to Stoicism than just being accepting of the world abd maintaining resolve in the face of it. At a deeper level, it’s a mindset which acknowledges that the inner worlds of all humans are similar and that this is where our most profound struggles exist. An interesting implication of this for Seneca (Stoic philosopher) was that he saw the same inner world and inner potential in slaves and other peoples, and in fact this led him to develop the entire idea of Cosmopolitanism. Hint: Cosmopolitanism flies in the face of Race… Read more »

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
5 years ago

@softek, you have to add another plate into your rotation, not sure if you mentioned it, but I hope you’re not co-habitating. smh don’t backslide. I recall older posts where you talked about severe one-itis, sounds like its happening again. Put some distance and find a 2nd chic to divy up your time. If you value your privacy, you really should forbid her from snooping in your shit. activate the guest account on your pc and let her use that. She doesn’t like it she can walk, believe you me, cooking pancakes and massages got her feeling like “i need… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“Are you sure about that?” ouch. is that an artist? I guess so. and I guess I’m not sure about anything right now. “art is anything you can get away with” – unknown that said, when is the last time anyone here put on one of that dude’s albums? does he even have any albums? I don’t know. creation begs creation. real art makes me want to fuck. I can think of a specific 1000 year old stone elephant statue in a certain art museum that once I see it all I can think of is pussy. i guess a… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Fleezer:

Dude might have liked his Fruity Pebbles a bit too much, but he could play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLTJ2ykad-k&ebc=ANyPxKqowZjmgb69voVvzDErmxWObrZyGhfl2KYYnP20jXyJD2kMSaRZ2FCvdNfI21xJjeXCTo0OSqRgirDYY5GsRAAo8WuAww

And hook an audience:

Jeremy
5 years ago

@Novaseeker I don’t think I disagree with much of what you said. I would say that attempts at overt male control of covert female sexuality oftentimes amount to window dressing that only serve to help convince the men of their paternity, even when they’ve no reason to be assured of it. Only in cultures like those established by strict Islamic doctrine/Sharia Law can paternity be (mostly) assured by social forces. Outside of that, women can oftentimes have free reign at getting away with good old-fashioned cuckoldry. Also, I fail to perceive how much of the factors you outlined are leading… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Chris – So you can’t have sex without having kids?

quixotic
quixotic
5 years ago

Spring break double FR Happy Monday gents. I have to say, if you can make it to spring break, it’s a great training ground, shooting fish in a barrel. Unlimited sets, you are away from home and the girls there are looking for fun and adventure. Just be the fun! That video Yareally posted of the dude dancing by himself at the concert where he ends up starting a massive dance party is my fucking hero. Have fun, be warm and open, give value to others. Julien nailed it with his “the hot girl at the club is like a… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Jeremy – Your comment was quite good. I’d like to see you continue the exegesis with Nova et al. This is all quite complex and it’s so interesting to hear the attempts to offer evo psych and evolutionary/adpaptive explanations. It’s much more interesting than my real work today, lol….And of course an order of magnitude more compelling than the feeble, pathological flailing about on offer from some other’s here.

Should I add an emoji?8-)

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

oops, emoji fail, 😎

bluepillprofessor
5 years ago

@Rollo: TLDR: Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Women have been given near absolute power in the sexual marketplace and in marriage. That they would abuse this power is expected. This was part of the plan from the very beginning. This was a calculated social change to pay back the evil cis-white men for their privilege of having a penis. Witness the Canadian rough sex guy. Women are STILL gleefully attacking him online and gleefully saying things like: “Even if he wasn’t convicted, at least his reputation and life is ruined. Good!” The bitches lied and committed perjury and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Quix – nice. lessons learned man. I only hate you a leeetle bit…

My Spring Break FR – 5 kids all home from school, wife wants to do something with them all – fast…!

ehhh….

insanitybytes22
5 years ago

I wrote about the Ghomeshi trial and elaborated on what I was trying to explain in the comments here.
https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/the-ghomeshi-disaster/

gb_hill
gb_hill
5 years ago

@NovaSeeker Regarding Hidden Estrus, one of the best comments I’ve seen on human socio-sexuality. And it has implications for politics. Looked at through a socio-sexual lenz, I now see that all forms of legitimate Conservative politics are aimed at restraining female sexuality for the purpose of eliminating or minimizing intra-male competition for females and thus creating higher trust and social order in society (K-selection). Leftist political systems aim to do the opposite (R-selection). The debate that I am seeing in the alt-right is that alt-right wingers are arguing that libertarianism is also an r-selection strategy. But principled libertarians like Stefan… Read more »

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Quix, congrats. Made me think back to my spring break trip in college when I didn’t know game. Didn’t get laid once; just thought it should magically happen with both guys and girls meeting in the middle and taking it from there. So many missed opportunities when I replay the trip in my head.

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
5 years ago

@fleezer, disagree, Ya’s point i think was more “what one woman brings, another can also bring” i.e. no one chic is special, and that’s a fact. You’re kinda pedestalizing when you say stuff like “she brings balance, she brings inspiration” sure if you’re still on some blue pill “she completes me” type shit. If you’re your own frame of reference, you should be balanced already. You should find inspiration from all sorts of places, I don’t believe you need women for those things. Sure women can bring blance/inspiration, ergo more women will bring more balance and more inspiration (soft harem?)… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

Jeremy — I don’t think I disagree with much of what you said. I would say that attempts at overt male control of covert female sexuality oftentimes amount to window dressing that only serve to help convince the men of their paternity, even when they’ve no reason to be assured of it. Only in cultures like those established by strict Islamic doctrine/Sharia Law can paternity be (mostly) assured by social forces. Outside of that, women can oftentimes have free reign at getting away with good old-fashioned cuckoldry. Sure, there were always cheaters within the system — that’s a given. But… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@GB – If you’d only started with this kind of commentary… Yeah, as a former libertarian and current Conservatarian (who doesn’t support gay marriage) I’ve made a similar political journey as a Red Pill man. Clearly conservative traditions and Christianity (and some other religions) have had as main features the constraint of female sexual, social and political agency. I now get that social order really matters due to watching it all come apart at the seams. I’m a Nozickian minarchist, and I actually think that anything less is ridiculous and fails to understand how the state emerges and is a… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jMTT0LW0M_Y

# I believe Norma.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Nova – Wonderful commentary, thanks, it’s very thought provoking. E.O. Wilson’s The Social Conquest of Earth opened my eyes about how recent and crucial human social evolution is to human development. Fyi, I realize it’s not evolution in the same sense as biological evolution, I know, I just don’t have a better word, as it’s more than adaptation and is transmitted via memes and multi-generational lifespans etc. One of the current deformations in the West is the devaluing of “The Elder” who formerly were seen as vastly valuable containers of wisdom. Today, I think our obsession with youth and the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

“Can the pickle that is our current social order ever become a cucumber again?”

Not as long as women can vote equal to men.

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Scribb “Can the pickle that is our current social order ever become a cucumber again?”

Well, ladies are freezing their cucumber seeds for when they stop being pickle jars, so there’s that.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . do you think the current pickle can ever become a cucumber again?”

No, but soured pickles can be discarded and new cucumbers grown. I fear that the soil is sufficiently depleted that it will require a fair amount of fertilizer.

Blood and bone.

Jeremy
5 years ago

@Novaseeker But when it was discovered it was generally brutally punished, in quite a few of the older social contexts even with death (and not just in Islamic societies). Yes, but, you can’t punish what you can’t see. Covert means covert, not partially covert. Hidden estrus was exactly that, a developmental push that made estrus (mostly) invisible to men. If men decide they’re going to punish women for cuckoldry, then evolution is selecting for 2 things (1) – Women who don’t cheat, and (2) Women who can get away with it. Since women who can get away with it will,… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

@scribblerg — Thanks. I agree regarding the importance of cultural memes — most on the right are really oblivious to this and have a hard time coming to grips with the significance of it, while at the same time being particularly weak in the elements of the culture that are basically meme factories. It further supports the growth of the left in influence, without question. As for what comes next, it’s very hard to predict. The pace of social change is accelerating to some extent, but there are always wildcards in there, arising from technological developments and perhaps economic ones… Read more »

quixotic
quixotic
5 years ago

@Sentient lol thanks man. Your advice on compliance tests is always in my head. Hope your spring break with the fam was still enjoyable 🙂 @newlyaloof “Made me think back to my spring break trip in college when I didn’t know game. Didn’t get laid once; just thought it should magically happen with both guys and girls meeting in the middle and taking it from there. So many missed opportunities when I replay the trip in my head.” Dude I know!!! arggggg i remember going one year when i was starting college and it was insane to watch. it can… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@fleezer “she brings balance. she brings inspiration. guys like patrice are inspired by women’s total being, not just her sex, or else they wouldn’t talk about them ALL THE TIME.” not every woman is going to be cool or smart or inspirational or w/e else. most aren’t. just like most men aren’t that cool, either. for example….COOL women don’t do that kind of shit anyway. they’ll get pissed with you but they’ll talk with you about it. but when someone is just willing to talk shit out with you like an adult and give it to you straight, you aren’t… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

@Jeremy —

I was supposing that hidden estrus is actually a biological effect caused by changes in social habits among humans. So, essentially what I’m saying is that I think human intellect is now a partial (significant) driver of biological changes to humanity. This means that the social systems we choose actually affect our progeny.

Ah, I see. Well, that’s an interesting concept. It’s possible, although I would need to see more written about the effect going in that direction (i.e., from social changes to biological), perhaps outside of the IQ area as well.

Jeremy
5 years ago

@Novaseeker Sorry, addendum… There were undoubtedly many men who were deceived by the system and had a false sense of security from it, particularly given that many societies were relatively homogeneous until fairly recently, making the fecund results of cuckoldry somewhat easier to hide in most cases, but by punishing cuckoldry so severely in most cultures if it did happen to be discovered, it at least raised the risk profile higher, which likely at least somewhat reduced its occurrence. One thing that sparked some massive curiousity for me in the past few weeks was actually diving in to understanding the… Read more »

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ YaReally “If she doesn’t want you to look at porn then she better show up in a schoolgirl outfit sucking your balls dry.” That isn’t too far off from how things usually go, which is what’s throwing me a bit. The sex has been great, and she’s told me more times than I can remember that it’s been the best sex of her life. I do question that. Not like it matters either way, but it makes me wonder if part of it is a ploy to land me. We do have great sexual chemistry, but how much of… Read more »

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Jeremy, After reading Nova’s post, I was just wondering if religion was one big game tactic that stepped in right as civilizations got too big to self police woman. Christianity chose beta game. Islam chose alpha dark triad game.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . happened to know how to survive in the desert.”

It didn’t just happen, they died for the knowledge.

“They were so deeply afraid of what women could do to them, they would kill daughters.”

Not a lot of gathering to do in the desert, yet the mouths must still be fed. The practice was practical. Other animals eat their unwanted young so the calories don’t go to waste.

This isn’t beta; this is reality when it gets so close to the bone that ignoring it even for a second is disaster.

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“what one woman brings, another can also bring” i.e. no one chic is special, and that’s a fact. You’re kinda pedestalizing when you say stuff like “she brings balance, she brings inspiration” sure if you’re still on some blue pill “she completes me” type shit.” any given chic might not be special, but some are rarer than others and depending on what you like some might be harder to replace than others. I like taller girls. my wife is 5’8″. how many fit that bill? ok fine, lots. I like skinny girls. my wife wears size twos. in the US,… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@fleezer “lol. more women bring more headaches too. any time a guy mentions his harem without talking about the problems that go along with it I know he’s lying about it or omitting a lot of details that would make it appear less than “super alpha” or whatever he’s going for” this. you have to have some balls on you to execute the things you need to execute when you’re juggling multiple women. like even the Soft NEXT can run you into some trouble if a chick suddenly flips around and is bound and determined that you can’t go or… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Softie – “Maybe the real issue is my lack of admitting to myself that I’m good with women. For feeling like a dog for saying that. Caving to social pressure and conditioning, thinking that being good with women means you’re a bad guy.” Internal game is everything. For me, a huge shift came in my internal game when I got two things viscerally, not intellectually: 1. Idealism – Masculine idealism caused me to develop an automatic shaming mechanism of my sexual agency, aggression and general wildness. Consider how important it is to society as a whole that men do this… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“@Nova – Wonderful commentary, thanks, it’s very thought provoking.”

agree. thanks X 2

Jeremy
5 years ago

@newlyaloof No. The history of religion paints it as something that has to exist to fill the gaps in human understanding. Consciousness, it appears, is something that cannot exist with too many unknowables, so the human mind makes stuff up. The best example of this is the fact that people can be surprised if you walk up behind them. Why should anyone be surprised by what is behind them? why? I mean, we’re all conscious beings, right, so we all know we don’t have eyes on the backs of our heads, right? So why are we surprised when someone is… Read more »

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
5 years ago

@softek, you get it, logically why she’s trying to manipulate you into commitment. Put your insecurities aside for a sec, focus on just the logic of what she’s saying/doing and know logically, it will change once you’re monogamous. Trust me the “best i’ve ever had” is manipulation, its unprovable, to you. Is she the best You’ve ever had? probably not. Like i said, if you wanted to be monogamous with this chick you’d have done it already, you don’t, you know you don’t. so don’t. Add just one more plate.. to stay balanced lol. Then next her when she gets… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Thanks @Jeremy. Good comment from @Novaseeker as well. Let’s see if we can compile this all in a few words. We start with proto-human females being hypergamous (as is the case in many species with higher reproductive costs for the female). Since they started to band into tribes and therefore had males around continuously who were sexually proceptive, they developed hidden estrus as a method of exercising hypergamous choice – they could be receptive to different males at different times depending on their fertility state, and males would be none the wiser wrt who had reproduced and who hadn’t. As… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“So why are we surprised when someone is behind us . . .”

Leopards.

ludiam0ndz
ludiam0ndz
5 years ago

Good for you Fleezer.. sounds like you landed the mythical one horned horse folks keep aspiring to.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Woa, looks like this discussion really carried on as i was writing that. Will modify if needed once I get through it 🙂

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“sounds like you landed the mythical one horned horse folks keep aspiring to.”

lol. she’ll fucking eat me alive if my game slips. awalt.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

@jermy,
Did you know in early Islam ONLY beautiful women were required to be Veiled!. (then the ugly women -early feminists- met with Mo and asked him : that wasn’t fair) then, all women had to be Veiled.

Jeremy
5 years ago

@kfg It didn’t just happen, they died for the knowledge. Forgive the simplification, I was trying to put their culture in context with where they lived, nothing more. The practice was practical…. This isn’t beta; this is reality when it gets so close to the bone that ignoring it even for a second is disaster. That reasoning might work, except for the inuit who instead of living in a warm desert, live in a cold desert. The inuit don’t kill bury their daughters, and they survive just fine. This tells me that there was more to that tradition than simple… Read more »

Jeremy
5 years ago

@keyser Soze

Did you know in early Islam ONLY beautiful women were required to be Veiled!. (then the ugly women -early feminists- met with Mo and asked him : that wasn’t fair) then, all women had to be Veiled.

… Or was it that as soon as the first attractive woman was required by law to be veiled, suddenly every woman in the area decided to hide their face so they might be regarded as attractive??

lol

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“The inuit don’t kill bury their daughters . . .”

The Subarctic is not a desert:

http://www.alaskan-natives.com/caribou-herd-kiana.jpg

And that photo was actually taken a bit into the Arctic zone.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

The Antarctic is a desert, and has never been colonized.

Jeremy
5 years ago

@Forge the Sky

Seems like a weak hand, but hey, any port in a storm.

Ya, honestly, I did not expect it to generate this much discussion, I was throwing something at the wall.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago
Jeremy
5 years ago

@kfg There are places in Arabia that do actually have animal herds. The Bedouin were not simply walking on sand dunes with miles of nothing but dry sand around them their entire lives. The antarctic is not a desert, its basically devoid of life. Deserts do actually bloom occasionally due to a “rainy” season. If Arabia were so desolate, there wouldn’t have been trade routes in a peninsula that is straddled by water when shipping by sea is always so much cheaper than shipping by land. http://nabataea.net/Photos/ArabiaMap.jpg But if you want another example, The Kalahari was populated by essentially bushman… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Despite its thick ice, Antarctica is classified as a desert because so little moisture falls from the sky. The inner regions of the continent receive an average of 2 inches (50 millimeters) of precipitation—primarily in the form of snow—each year. More rain falls in the Sahara desert.” “The Bedouin were not simply walking on sand dunes with miles of nothing but dry sand around them their entire lives.” No, but they lived far closer to that bone than other Arabs, while being nomadic at the same time, and lived poorer, harder lives than Arabs who shipped on the sea (they… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

One thing to consider with this whole hidden estrus thing… Women in tribes likely had their cycles synced up. There may have been a biological mechanism helping out the social mechanisms. It’s a small thing but as with everything, I’m sure there’s a reason for it.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ scray nothing wrong with human connection, etc. and ‘the feels.’ Yah, I have to like a girl before sex is even on the table. Demisexual. I actually asked a girl for a phone no. on Sat. More like asked her if she wanted to be on my dance list. She liked. This girl has liked me for a while. She just broke up with her bf a week ago. Wanted a hug and asked me for a dance. After she gave me her no. she said that she’d be out of town for a couple of weeks. Helping out… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

I’m surprised no one around here has commented on this relatively new movie, “White Girl.”

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

I haven’t seen it, but I note:

“Elizabeth Wood based this film on journal entries about her own life experiences during her adolescence.”

And she not only wrote, but directed it.

Jeremy
5 years ago

@kfg More rain falls in the Sahara desert. Kind of a meaningless statistic considering Antarctica has no nearby source of particulate matter (dust/smoke) and it is cold enough to take moisture from gas directly to solid before it ever has a chance to condense on a particulate. I mean, how else does a place with no rain have a sheet of ice that is 4,000 meters thick? You can’t exactly get precipitation in an area where the temperature is cold enough to simply rip gaseous molecules from the atmosphere and attach them to an existing ice sheet. Antarctica is basically… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
5 years ago

Rollo — In the case of Hypergamy and monogamy being a social adaptation to (at least) buffer against it, that evolved female sexual strategy is still the underlying motivator within the SMP. We can teach women to be more concerned with men’s sexual imperatives (i.e. paternity) via religion or social standards, even foster a psychology that makes them feel guilt for not being concerned with it, but ultimately we’re conditioning women to behave and believe in contradiction to that evolved imperative. Yes. Clearly the institution of monogamy/patriarchy was not biologically evolved — it was a social adaptation to deal with… Read more »

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