Well, dammit, here we go again. Just as I’m mid-way through another in-depth post I get stopped by something I can’t ignore. The above ‘post’ has been making the rounds on Twitter and more than a few in the ‘sphere have asked me for my take.
I probably would’ve just blown this off along with the few hundred other incidences of Beta guys (really Average Frustrated Chump in this instance) bemoaning the same lack of cooperation on the part of women to play along with their investment in the old set of books, that was however until I read through the predictable ‘Nice Shaming’ of Mark Pygas here.
“Good guys” are the absolute worst. If you’re going to go on an insane rant every time a woman tells you ‘no,’ you’re not a good guy.
Tumblr user Fenrufenrifenny recently spotted a flyer posted all around town that shamed women for not giving the “good guys a chance” and choosing “scum” men. Just a brief warning, it will probably be the worst thing you’ve ever read.
Proxy male femsplaining aside, no Mark, this isn’t worst thing I’ve ever read from a Nice Guy. In fact, just three years ago the ‘Nice Guys of OK Cupid‘ blog/hashtag made a point of running these Good Guys up the flagpole for the exact same frustrations of dealing with women in the most deductive, old rules way they’ve been taught to deal with women by their own words and conditioning.
You aren’t an original Mark, Hugo Schwyzer beat you to the Nice-Shaming-As-Beta-Game 4 years ago. And just like Hugo you make the same predictable assumptions about men expecting sex for niceties in an era where women exploit and advertise that men doing more chores and making women’s lives easier will lead to sex.
You see shaming Nice Guys for playing by the rules every woman has told him he ought to play by – since his single-mother or feminized father mentioned he should respect women by default to him since 5 years old – is the height of Hypergamous hypocrisy. Every time a woman, or a Vichy Male femsplainer, tells a guy “just be yourself‘ or “women love men who respect women” or in some other way convince him that women’s intimacy is best achieved by being the sensitive, understanding and supportive Beta they’ll need once they can no longer attract an Alpha asshole, all you do is reinforce the Nice Guy you now hate so much.
You see, you don’t get it both ways. You can’t shame and heap derision upon a Nice Guy for believing the same Old Books horse shit you’ve taught him will earn a woman’s favor and love. You don’t get to call him duplicitous when he believes all the “just be yourself” and “in the end women really want Nice men” tropes he’s been fed by the media mouths of a society that’s founded on women’s Hypergamy.
You may think this is some new development, but Nice Shaming has been going on for at least the 4 and a half years I’ve been blogging:
When truly nice guys (80-90% of the masculine sphere) read a line like “Nice Guys are the real jerks” something snaps in their heads. Black is white, up is down and Nice Guys are Jerks. Most Nice Guys have been playing the self-internalized Beta Game, identification scenario out for so long that to read something like this is akin to blaspheme. “Great now all these women I’ve been trying to be so nice too (like they all say they want) really think I’m a jerk?” One would think this would be a moment of clarity for the Nice Guy and he’d realize the truth of what his ‘misogynist’ Game-aware friends had been trying to enlighten him about for so long.
It’s almost like I have to revisit this Nice Guy paradox ever two years or so:
The only way to garner true appreciation, true valuation, truly inspired displays of affection, from women is to covertly imply the risk of losing a high-value Man. Whether the man is even truly of a higher value is irrelevant, only the perception needs to be reinforced for her. Risk of loss is all that factors. Risk of losing an investment in optimizing hypergamy is weighed against her own perceived sexual market value and the effort needed to reinvest in another, potentially higher SMV man. Risk of loss is why her imagination furiously spins the wheel in her head.
That sounds horrible, but the truth often is. Women’s lack of appreciation for the more compassionate natures of men, and their consuming regard for rewarding men that appease their hypergamy is so well proven it’s become predictable enough to develop techniques and behavioral modifications to exploit it (i.e. Game). Most guys would like nothing better than to honestly play the loving, white knight, romantic who women bemoan a lack of in the world. Yet for every sonnet composed, every provision met, every compliment delivered and every well planned candlelit dinner conversation, there’s a woman feverishly fucking her Alpha bad boy in his low rent apartment for fear of losing him to the competition.
Dear Sir,
If you’re watching some girl you like getting hurt by another guy STOP WHINING ABOUT IT AND DO SOMETHING. Don’t leave some anonymous note on a dorm wall. If you know someone is being hurt DO. SOME. THING.
If you want to play the “good guy” you need to rethink your intentions. If you’re only doing it for gratification, then you aren’t being the good guy. Did Batman give up on Gotham because people weren’t thanking him for saving the city?
You know what I really want? I want respect. I want people to respect that I’d rather not walk with a stranger in the middle of the night. I want people to respect that I can defend myself. I want people to respect that WOMEN CAN DO THINGS WITHOUT A GENTLEMAN TO HELP.
You want to be a gentlemen and a good guy? Start with changing the way you and other men see women. We aren’t fragile things you need to defend. We’re people. Keep holding doors open, keep being friendly, just don’t expect things in return; you aren’t owed anything by this world.
If you want us to be less afraid of the world, then change the world, don’t change us.
The obliviousness to the original message might seem staggering until you consider that it was likely typed out by a woman with a self-impression of female empowerment. The idea she’s addressing is that it’s the Nice Guy’s fault for not stepping in to “do something” while simultaneously claiming that “women can do things without a man’s help”. That alone would be enough to illustrate the mindset that would respond to a Nice Guy bemoaning women’s duplicity about ‘being Nice’, but she continues to miss the point that the dutiful ‘helping’ he’s offering isn’t help at all, but his disillusionment with his Blue Pill conditioning.
It’s likely he’s oblivious to it, but he’s publicly taken a step into Red Pill awareness and in doing so reveals women’s Hypergamous duplicity. Now, that is what it is, but that step into Red Pill awareness is something that makes women very uncomfortable when they don’t control the narrative about their own Hypergamy. It’s one thing to make Hypergamy ‘open’ in a commercial or in a book by an empowered woman, but let a man reveal it in his perspective and he’s “bitter” or it’s an “insane rant” by a Nice Guy who’s only Nice because he thinks it’ll get him laid.
As I was saying, in the future I expect to see less Nice Shaming as the machinations of Hypergamy becomes part of men’s popular consciousness. The result, like most others brought on by feminine social primacy, will be men taking women at their word – “women can do things without a man’s help” and they “aren’t fragile things you need to defend” – and they’ll get the men they deserve; men who will understand that niceties aren’t in fact exchangeable for appreciation, intimate or otherwise. Their attentions, courtesies and help will be reserved for the women who actually deserve and reciprocate it rather than due to it being some default chivalry that’s expected of them. And they’ll abandon the strong independent women (and even the ones who look like them) to their fates, while they cry about the lack of self-sacrificing ‘real men’ to love and help them when it’s convenient for them.
It’ll take a while. Obviously the same Nice Shaming from a decade ago still manifests like this occasionally, and the predictable “women don’t owe you sex” indignation is still the reflexive response. But as the old exchanges of the old rules are cycled out for the cruel, but accepted, realities that the Red Pill outlines, women will get exactly the men they deserve. Men who will give them respect based on their real personal merits and only offer niceties to the ones who wont spit in their faces or accuse them of sexual harassment for doing so.
As it stands now, Nice Shaming serves as a filter for women’s Hypergamy. The guys who Just Get It don’t post notes like this. Guys who get it learn from that frustration, they adapt, they experiment, they adjust and they develop Game to exploit the real intersexual rules in play, and they don’t make grandiose displays of the real game.
@Blaximus I’d say fleezer has a fixation on the kind of value I don’t want to display. As a male, I want to get laid. I’ll figure out later if she’s worth keeping on the payroll. So to me, value is all the other shit that isn’t money that generates genuine tingles; status, looks, social proof, humor, congruence, masculinity, fun, Frame, etc… Sure a bit of money might be portrayed in the looks department if you dress well, but then again it could just mean good fashion sense. That doesn’t have to be expensive; I’ve seen motherfuckers barely making shit… Read more »
@Blaximus
Your it.
@Blax
Don’t do it. But you’re welcome to visit!
@ Sun
” So to me, value is all the other shit that isn’t money that generates genuine tingles; status, looks, social proof, humor, congruence, masculinity, fun, Frame, etc…”
This^^ is where I’m feeling the consensus will be. But let’s see where it goes.
@ Stuff – May Margot Robbie sexually assault you. Daily. Lol.
( okay, last Robbie reference, I promise….. until suicide squad comes out )
@SJF
“Krauser’s first book (which I had to dig out from my firearms and reloading room downstairs…..”
Love it!
@SJF “It is because women are so incredibly aware of their heightened neediness relative to men that they develop an intrinsic penchant for cunning. They are all too aware the depth and breadth of assistance they require from the opposite sex is greater than the inverse, and it is this position which in large part fuels their motive for manipulating as a way of life. Women are in a position of neediness, and yet they cannot fully trust men to give them what they need, so they manipulate men in order to give them what they want, but then resent… Read more »
Bud Elkins did all the major driving in Bullitt. Steve did a little for face shots. But all the hills, corners, and high speed slides were Bud.
Who also did the jumps in Great Escape.
High value can mean your career. But it can also be the attitude you give off when talking to a girl. You’ve been this way before.
Just overall persona of you know what doing, you’re put together well, and new things don’t make you nervous.
Is Emily still around. I was thinking about all she said, she’s that Tom Brady skit on SNL.
@Blax
To bad your not a gypsy.
Payback’s a bitch,ain’t it?
Just to show there are no hard feelings;Back at you!!!
LOL had to scroll back up twice just to see what i’m in for.
Later bro.
@SJF – Spot on about the 9 wanting to be told no. To be put in her place. It’s very challenging to re-frame from when I wasn’t doing that but she’s actually quite interested in me so it’s a great lesson. She gets to express that interest and admiration cuz I’m not being needy. I also am reframing much more quickly and gently, and I nip her shit tests in the bud. They have subsided for the time being. It’s funny, I’m trying to get her to come visit for a couple of days by handling the logistics and assuming… Read more »
@Blax – I’m kind of mehh on Margot Robbie, sure she’s objectively hot but not really my kind of sexy. I’m a bit more into the coquetteish type. Yes, I’ve driven a muscle car fast (’73 Firebird Transam) and it was a blast. But it was nothing compared to my twin turbo Audi A6. Holy shit that was the most fun I’ve ever had driving. Not a light car and very well balanced and the AWD gives you really interesting possibilities powering through a turn. The dual turbo provides great power bands at two ranges, and the 6 speed manual… Read more »
And here’s one for all the fat short guys!
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djc-ihmxtV8&w=560&h=315%5D
Okay, it’s fat guy night! Is this Emily trying to do standup?
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0VCfbxrEgE&w=560&h=315%5D
Start with changing the way you and other men see women. This is good advice – women are for your pleasure, nothing else. They aren’t companions, they aren’t friends, they are to be enjoyed and used for your pleasure. To see them as anything else is a waste of your time and effort. Too many men try to make them friends – this is like trying to make a wild-beast your friend – she isn’t your friend. She wants what she can get from you – so your job is to get what you need from her then move on… Read more »
@scrib
Wow. So that’s what it looks like to watch an actual murder in progress.
@Just Saying
If *anyone* isn’t offering what you need, move on.
This isn’t true only for women.
“She’s right, some nice guys think that is a way to win her over and that’s just about trying to “earn it”. Fyi, I only commented about her because other guys couldn’t leave it alone, I was content to keep ignoring her. ”
If I made a good point about Niceguys, the topic of this thread, then why ignore me??
I don’t get it… I get along with Forge and Rollo just fine.
@Pumpkin, don’t get too comfortable dear. Remember my warning to you.
All Take note here… I wish there was a side blog so we can make bets out of sight.. Emmy “So Sentient, you posted a pic of a woman with a boob job, a heavily photoshopped woman, and then a few butter faces in swimsuits. And I’m supposed to be jealous?“ and what predictably does this trigger in her 6.5 self? She changes her profile pic! A few more of these bombs and she will be topless… So very predictable… And sweetie… you are also an idiot, the first two pics are the the same women, and no boob jobs,… Read more »
@ Sentient
Surprised the Clueless Unenlightened Nerdy Twit isn’t calling the other broad a slut or whore. lol
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Nice one. You’re right about these guys following the old set of books. They’ve been conditioned (over decades) to follow along while women (naturally) will try to have it both ways if she can convince the man (usually, through shaming). The part where you have to shake your head is the men who assist these women in shaming other men. I’m continuing to send young men your way (to the site) if I see (or hear) that they are in need of a little truth. I can usually hear it in their stories (frustration) when dealing with women but it… Read more »
@Just Saying: “If she isn’t offering what you need, move on. It’s a lot more cost effective.” Took me a long time to realize this. Still haven’t pulled the trigger with another woman yet, but I’m not putting up with a wife that doesn’t offer what I need. Went out to another HH last night. Flirted with a European milf, got her number. Came home fiesty. Tried to get the wife to slap my monkey in the kitchen while the kids were in the other room. She refuses. I say, “Okay, remember what I said would happen if you denied… Read more »
@YaReally
“And I’ll stop posting huge rants about looks and RSD vids when you guys stop dedicating half the comments on every page to Emily.”
Bravo for chiming in on that.
@all
Phenomenal that ANYONE is even READING what women post here lol. What women say is completely irrelevant to men here. What we men experience from taking right action in life & what we can learn from reading the experiences of other men should be our guiding lights. Stop feeding the attention whores.
@Jimmy B “Infantile as they are, women are ill-equipped to handle power, and that which is born out of the insecurity that a man may do her wrong, turns into an exploitative, predatory misuse of power that fuels grandiose narcissism, and thus masculinises her. ” Myself and a couple work buddies, over the years ( 2005-10), had an occasion for a stretch of time to work in a “female-led” organization, where over a few years, with a series of White Knight affirmative action moves, it turns out, women gained control over about 90 percent of a moderately large organization (as… Read more »
@Sentient “I wish there was a side blog so we can make bets out of sight..” There is a side forum that can fill this role. It seems it is not ready for prime time yet, but may be in the future. It is at https://www.trp.red/feed/ This can be a way to exchange information by private messaging. So far I don’t think it allows multiple members to be in on one private message like most forums. And the forum thread structure doesn’t seem to be up to par yet. Confidentiality is supposed to be at a premium there. It was… Read more »
@Rollo Tomassi
Sorry, I used three links in a post just now and got consigned to moderation. Can you let it through?
@All
Don’t forget about Sun Wukong’s rountable online discussion tomorrow.
http://www.themantable.net/category/shows.html
Here is how it works via Teamspeak3 software on your computer:
http://www.themantable.net/pages/participate-in-the-man-table.html
Ok, I have an IOI/Game puzzle for those who want to try to unravel it. See if you agree or disagree with my analysis. Background: I was dancing during practice time with an HB8 from out of town at a dance studio after a group lesson. HB8 was there with her sister and another girl friend. During the lesson, she was constantly flipping her hair and smiling at me when with me. I led her through some intermediate patterns to discover her level. She followed fine. HB8 also disqualified dancers from her past as just “doing moves”. No real music… Read more »
@Asdgamer. I’ll take a stab. It was an intermediate strength IOI. She is putting the ball in your court. You are on. It is your move thereafter. And perhaps all IOI’s are beta bait. All IOI’s might be shit tests. If you treat it as such and the next move is pass the shit test and show her what you are made of then she will give you reciprocal attraction clues. Isn’t this just Mystery Method A1-A3? The approach? then her interest, then your interest (your move)? A1 – Approach A2 – Attracting the HB or Female-to-male Interest A3 –… Read more »
NewlyAloof “@Just Saying: “If she isn’t offering what you need, move on. It’s a lot more cost effective.” Took me a long time to realize this. Still haven’t pulled the trigger with another woman yet, but I’m not putting up with a wife that doesn’t offer what I need.” I think the reality is there is no one woman who can give us what we need. Accepting this allows you to get past your wife, to ‘forgive” her so to speak. also she is mid 40’s or older right? A lot of what she can’t give you anymore is tied… Read more »
SJF
And I volunteer to be Emily’s father/mentor. It is obvious that she never heard the word “No!” from her own father.
You do recall that she has a stepmother who is notably younger than her father?
Someone divorced someone else, that’s for sure. The effects of divorce on children are known…
so for the peanut gallery playing along at home… Recap. Emmy started off with a profile pic… and was shamed into removing to an avatar. Then when she wasn’t getting enough attention she started again with her “side profile” pic. Yareally negged/tested her on a “shitty side profile” pic and lo and behold she comes back with her Pythagoras approved Instagram full face. I comment that she is a chipmunked cheeked 6.5 with a broad nose and post some pics of really beautiful women… and now she turns out her Tinder glamour shot, trying to up the seductress quotient and… Read more »
“You do recall that she has a stepmother who is notably younger than her father?”
Yes.
And I should have said that I volunteer to be Emily’s mean father/mentor and correct her for her thoughts/actions and say No! to her two-thirds of the time.
She obviously adores her father (but who wouldn’t adore his tuition money) and opportunistic step-mother (I’m sure she’s learned a manipulative thing or two from her).
And has not commented on positive attributes of her mother. Imagine that.
@SJF @Junior “Phenomenal that ANYONE is even READING what women post here lol. What women say is completely irrelevant to men here. “ Totally disagree. And Rollo has stated as much. Yeah, I have to agree with SJF. Even the women who seem like just professional agitators only end up demonstrating most of the truth in the blog posts here and around the manosphere. What you should keep in mind, is that what is different about Rollo’s blog is that it’s very descriptive of mostly unvarnished truths between the genders. Because of this, the female response here is more overt… Read more »
@Sentient, true. A dim battery can only illuminate a light bulb so much, and with game, light bulbs are so easy and cheap to acquire.
@ SJF It was an intermediate strength IOI. She is putting the ball in your court. You are on. It is your move thereafter. Yes. Full Speed Ahead. She wasn’t trying to be the boat’s engine, however. The dance test I gave her was compliance testing. Then I qualified her and gave her comfort when I said that she followed well. Then she acknowledged the comfort and said full speed ahead. Here’s the next move to do, IMO. Since she was with potential cockblockers, I should have told her to meet me outside in five minutes. Day 2 scenario follows… Read more »
The Rational Male blog is about theory. And it may bore the more advanced that want to skip right to game. I’m not apologizing for engaging Emily or paying attention in class. But I won’t do it willy-nilly. And I’ll take all the Game theory and practice I can get. Rollo once said: http://therationalmale.com/2016/03/07/ghosting/comment-page-3/#comment-145266 Practice confirms wisdom. Wisdom informs practice. TRP is the theory, Game is the application. Game tests TRP, TRP informs Game. Choose your teachers wisely, but growth, confidence and strength begins from lack, weakness and doubt. http://therationalmale.com/2014/10/09/game-works/ Perhaps for Newbies it’s 90% Red Pill Awareness and the… Read more »
@ Rollo
The Halloween Vegetable has already crossed my boundaries and likely those of other men and she needs to apologize. Do I need to reiterate that she has deigned to sit in judgment of men’s intelligence? That is disrespectful.
@Sentient @ newlyaloof I think the reality is there is no one woman who can give us what we need. Accepting this allows you to get past your wife, to ‘forgive” her so to speak. also she is mid 40’s or older right? A lot of what she can’t give you anymore is tied to her hormone levels and perimenopause/menopause… Game will work to a degree, but Game is very much dependent on her hormone levels. Emotion is truth to women and her emotions are just chemical reactions. There have to be enough of the chemicals floating around the tank… Read more »
@ Rollo Tomassi Thanx for these interesting thoughts: ” I’ve stated in the past that unplugging chumps from the Matrix is dirty work, akin to triage; save the ones you can and read last rites to the terminal. ” I’ve followed this path. Comes from being relentlessly reality-focused, and from noting the results of interventions, even when I’ve been approached for advice. Some guys have deep-seated inabilities to deal with their betatude, while other guys wake up and “get it” rather quickly. This raises the question for me: Nature VS. Nurture Are some of the guys I’ve worked with “deceived… Read more »
And what’s up with this ongoing mutual mental masturbation between our resident drama queens and guys willing to spend multiple man-hours at their keyboards feeeelzing the drama?
Guys … get back to your mission!
@HABD, thanks for your input. After 15 years of me being the initiator of comfort and passion with my, my tank is empty.
@emily “We can distinguish if a man is holding the door open for you and carrying books for you because he’s actually a great person, or because he simply wants to impress you. And that is an important distinction.” In some cases maybe. But mostly that lack of genuineness felt is about how the person in question just lacks strong boundaries they enforce,and that comes off. You can’t really seem ‘genuine’ if you don’t have any boundaries that you stand for or enforce. You don’t even have a real identity. @Jeremy ” Even the women who seem like just professional… Read more »
@theasdgamer Here’s the IOI: HB8 replied, smiling, with no “secrets” facial expressions showing, “I just let you do what you wanted to with me.” Now, is this a real IOI or just beta bait? Remember to be honest, this is for science. Next clue: Her smile was one of apparent nervousness. What was the strength of the IOI? What was the next move? it was beta bait/shit test/IOI all rolled into one…bc she could determine everything she needed to know about how to categorize you based on your response…lol… it was a strong IOI = basically her throwing herself at… Read more »
@sentient@habd “I think the reality is there is no one woman who can give us what we need. Accepting this allows you to get past your wife, to ‘forgive” her so to speak. also she is mid 40’s or older right? A lot of what she can’t give you anymore is tied to her hormone levels and perimenopause/menopause… Game will work to a degree, but Game is very much dependent on her hormone levels” ya this is true. it really should be….AWALT with variance. you will get the best she can give, or at least close to it, with game.… Read more »
@thedas “Here’s the IOI: HB8 replied, smiling, with no “secrets” facial expressions showing, “I just let you do what you wanted to with me.” Now, is this a real IOI or just beta bait? Remember to be honest, this is for science. Next clue: Her smile was one of apparent nervousness. What was the strength of the IOI? What was the next move?” whenever you wonder things like this in the moment, there’s some real easy follow-ups and responses…. here’s one. after she said this, just laser eye contact and say ‘is that right…’ (remove pretty much all of the… Read more »
@Asdgamer “Here’s the next move to do, IMO. Since she was with potential cockblockers, I should have told her to meet me outside in five minutes. Day 2 scenario follows out in the parking lot. Chat, kino, sweet kiss outside. Build sexual tension and comfort. Logistics are the issue since she’s from out of town and the studio has no place for a quick lay and the vehicle is out as is my place and I don’t wanna pay for a motel room. You need to have your endgame solved before you do a Day2 scenario. That’s part of why… Read more »
Rollo,
Thought you would like this – ex porn star upset at how people view her – text book case of end of the cock carosel and approaching the wall.
http://pagesix.com/2016/03/25/charlie-sheens-porn-star-ex-bree-olson-im-shunned-by-society
@newlyaloof @HABD, thanks for your input. After 15 years of me being the initiator of comfort and passion with my, my tank is empty. i know exactly what you are saying…me too(= 18+ years)…BUT (and you knew that was coming…lol) girls are reactive…always (but it might not seem like they are bc they ping their environment with shit tests all the time, kind of like a dolphin…lol… in that case they are ‘reacting’ to the ‘lack of leadership’…) it’s your role to be the initiator (being active). the fact that we didn’t get the memo until ‘too late’ doesn’t change… Read more »
@BK that article: “Olson says that, during her porn career, she was making up to $60,000 per month” http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/whaaa.gif “I wish that people would treat me like they’d treat a married registered nurse with 2.5 kids in Indiana. That’s how I wish people would treat me. But it’ll never happen — that’s probably why I don’t think about it.”” http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb463/tapchic521/Tumblr/wellllll.gif “I send a very strong message to young girls: Don’t do porn. As much as you want to embrace your sexuality and say, ‘I can do whatever I want with my body,’ you’re going to have a life of crap… Read more »
BK
Article summed up: girl makes mistake, wants someone else to pay for it.
@HABD, kind of hard to be the initiator when women hotter than my wife keep flirting with me, but I understand what you are saying. Need to figure out which desires of mine I want more.
“Anyway, bottom line, problem w nice guys isn’t that they are nice, it’s that they are unattractive.” This is the problem when talking to women about game/dating, they don’t tell you the whole truth. You want the truth? The part that she’s leaving out: You can be good looking *and* be unattractive. To women, good looking men are no different than a well made painting or a well designed house. Just because something looks good doesn’t mean you want to have sex with it. As krauser puts it, good looking guys just have to run “don’t fuck up” game. Do… Read more »
@Sentient, BK
Her left ring finger has a ring on it.
Even the “losers” win most of the time.
@newlyaloof
@HABD, kind of hard to be the initiator when women hotter than my wife keep flirting with me, but I understand what you are saying. Need to figure out which desires of mine I want more.
= FI in play…
bc not mutually exclusive…lol…(provided wife passes the boner test…and if she doesn’t, you could use game to get her there…if for no other reason than to practice…lol)
good luck!
@corypheus
To be fair, that’s a lot easier than other guys that have to run “make her notice, but don’t make it to obvious, THEN after you’ve built her interest don’t fuck up” Game. But point taken.
@cory “There are tons of good looking guy, tall guys, guys with six packs or 2% body fat or whatever who are also nice.” ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…. in the realm of like….5-7 girls and social circles etc. being tall, good-looking, low bf, muscles etc. helps A LOT because there are NOT a lot of guys who have those qualities. and like zero percent of them who hang out in those circles are ‘nice.’ HOWEVER…. when you try to go after social circles/groups./sets where like the ‘uggo’ of the group is a 7 and all the dudes are high value, or you’re trying… Read more »
Article summed up: girl makes mistake, wants someone else to pay for it. Personally I don’t understand society’s hang up over porn stars. It’s not like most of them are doing super crazy outlandish shit that your average hottie isn’t doing herself with the bad boys. The only real difference is that there is video evidence that gets promoted far and and wide. Like sure, don’t marry these chicks, but it’s not like they are more morally bankrupt than your average HB8 taking it up the ass just for funzies. To that note, your average housewife is exchanging sex for… Read more »
Thanks to everyone who played my game. More background, maybe of interest to you. The girl was a little uncalibrated to the social context of a dance studio. Lights were high and it was a social circle context. She was showing a little too much skin, but she had a wrap around her shoulders and she was in her 20s, so she could get away with it. I know her sister from a wild ass country bar, lol. When I first walked in, I went over to see who the new kids were and saw the sister and we exchanged… Read more »
@Enrique – My experience in large organizations where women lead has been exactly the same. It devolves into unaccountable chaos. They can run some small things well and do certain types of tasks incredibly well. They can be great team members if they are managed properly. But as executives? For the most part they are a joke. Where they are effective you will always find a serious, alpha male leader directly above them. The aspect you point out wrt their bigotry and self-dealing is also notable. I remember when the research came out 2-3 years ago on women’s “ingroup preferences”… Read more »
@pelleon “It’s not like most of them are doing super crazy outlandish shit that your average hottie isn’t doing herself with the bad boys.” it’s more complicated than that. FIRST of all, for many dudes it’s probably worse IRL versus the porn star because porn is FAKE. the women are FAKING. so idk, given the choice of ‘ya we had sex but i just lied there and tried to make him feel good about himself’ (sex with NIce Guys) versus ‘ya i was in love with him it was awesome i loved every minute’ most guys might choose more sexual… Read more »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL1CEcmLYAf29L4MLfXkcecBMqpCP7K4H1&v=Hm5pLxXwRrk
“Personally I don’t understand society’s hang up over porn stars.” Heh, that is easily understood in Rational Male red pill awareness terms. Not understanding it is simply you announcing you are in anger, denial, bargaining or depression over the fact that it is out there. It is not society Pellaeon. It is the Feminine Imperative and it’s/their social convention as gatekeeper. (i.e, your average housewife doesn’t like it/has a hang up over it) http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/30/the-gatekeepers/ The Gatekeepers Controlling access to sex (women’s primary agency) is the most important aspect of a feminine-primary reality. This reality necessitates that Men’s sexual interests are… Read more »
Another “American Idiot” pulls. Notice how low intensity Todd is but how good and positive and intentional he is energy No dead eyes. the body language is great. Note the last minute or two when Todd is talking direct into the camera, it’s like he got back in the space he was in during the set and his posture and entire demeanor reeks of power and value, yet is cool and calm. I’m nothing like him, I’m much more like Tyler/Owen in terms of energy but underneath the covers these guys are laying down steel frames that women are drawn… Read more »
@scray “in the realm of like….5-7 girls and social circles etc. being tall, good-looking, low bf, muscles etc. helps A LOT because there are NOT a lot of guys who have those qualities. and like zero percent of them who hang out in those circles are ‘nice.’” Ya this why I’m very careful to stress that yes, looks WILL get you some free gimme iois here and there, and as long as no one interferes (and/or the woman takes the lead), you’ll get laid off them…and some environments like Tinder are built for looks screening. But I’m also very careful… Read more »
@culum, yareally I’ve found out the trick to giving shivs/negs/whatever you call them (for myself, obviously its been in the literature forever). They have to be parthian shots, where you just state them deadpan and then move on in the conversation. For me its best when I don’t plan to say them, they just come out in the moment. Its HOW you say it, not so much WHAT you say that makes the impact on the girl. But of course they are far more effective if you hit an insecurity of hers. Last time I mentioned when I saw the… Read more »
After writing that, realize I don’t really understand negs.
Can someone explain negs? I’m a little confused between outright insults and backhanded compliments. Which one is a neg?
Insult: Damn girl, what’s wrong with your faaaaace!?
Neg: Ya know, if it weren’t for your odd nose, you’d be a real stunner.
@YaReally SPOILER ALERT FIGHT CLUB! If you haven’t watched the film 10 times and want to, then don’t read this. Your point stands as you make it regarding the narrator of Fight Club. (I didn’t know he had the name Jack…). But a point of who Tyler Durden was: “(Tyler bangs damage-case Marla and that’s about it), it’s about being the most true to yourself and the most capable to handle your shit in your environment. No hesitation, no filters, no holding yourself back, and feeling capable and confident to get what you want in life.” Tyler most certainly could… Read more »
@Hank Holiday
There is a detailed explanation of neg theory here, including calibration to the target:
http://www.pualingo.com/neg-theory/
And that site is not a bad way to get definitions of PUA lingo in the future.
@scribblerg I hate Todd’s voice infield but this has some good stuff to note. When she says “I’m not available” and tries to dissuade him, that’s where GLL in that 15 minute video would just “Next” her and move on, or try to grab her hand and tell her she has soft skin and try to make out with her and have her run away. But Todd has calibration, so he smoothly takes the frame back saying they should take it slow and disarms her objections. In the end Todd takes the girl he chooses home despite her objections, with… Read more »
Skip to 21:30 in that Imperfect Perfection Pipe Dream vid for the part where Julien tries recording his first-ever video and is massively self-conscious and hesitant and self-doubting etc (weak frame, this is how a LOT of guys, even good looking guys, are in-field around hot girls, and why they’re easy to steamroll over when you have the frame in the other videos where the guys are grounded solid and self-assured). Also all of those vids are good content, I recommend actually watching them instead of just skipping to the parts I point stuff out at lol @SJF “Tyler most… Read more »
@Scray I think I was unclear in my post- I wasn’t so much wondering about why guys might not want to date a pornstar as much as wondering why that would have any relevance as far as hiring them goes. Then again, I suppose we can chalk it up to the FI trying to keep the price of pussy as high as possible. An extension of the slut shaming thing among women: punish those who would make it to readily available as alternatives to being the beta bucks. Which I guess is exactly what SJF is saying. It is not… Read more »
Haha whoops, that sound say “filmed themselves eating a pretzel”
@Ya – Indeed, I hate Todd’s voice and on some level, I can’t believe what he does works. One thing about that pull is that she’s like late 30s or something, it’s late night at a club, she’s alone so the logistics are really optimal and she’s also clearly not the prize in his mind. His diffidence is really well calibrated. Also notice how he stands to the side and doesn’t even face her until she gives IOIs and then later when he brings up the food he lets her come to him and doesnt agree immediately. All massive DHV.… Read more »
Anyone read this book?
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0767927540/ref=pd_aw_sbs_14_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=5184ZoJxg-L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL200_SR200%2C200_&refRID=05CMV4HSJKYVQ86QX9TV
@Pellaeon “Though I find this funny: Not understanding it is simply you announcing you are in anger, denial, bargaining or depression over the fact that it is out there. My mind immediately pictured “Leave Britney Aloooooone!!!” guy from YouTube (from however long ago). I do find it interesting that this seems to be the go to reaction of many commenters when I say I don’t understand a common, guy level reaction that the majority of guys have. The same thing gets said whenever I’m like “why do you care if some other side is fucking a girl you’re fucking if… Read more »
” . . . wondering why that would have any relevance as far as hiring them goes.” That would depend on the business. In the medical field, social standing matters. They want people who are perceived as steady and staid. The simple fact that she dropped out of med school to follow an emotional whim alone disqualifies her to be a doctor. That’s why she’s thinking of nursing now, but nurses have to be perceived like a mother from Indiana. If she wanted to go into insurance or real estate, she’d have less of a problem. There being a draw… Read more »
@SJF Men typically won’t (for being a pornstar, that is, they will shame her for fucking up her career by her past decisions and not owning up to that fact.) I’d make a slight proviso there: while men generally won’t hate sluts, pornstars, and prostitutes, smart guys certainly won’t wife them up. I know I wouldn’t. I don’t hate any of the above groups, but they are categorically off my LTR list. That is certainly one aspect of “slut shaming” that women don’t like that men participate in: denial of entitlement to provisioning from top 20% males. And my earnings… Read more »
@Rollllo Don’t worry 🙂 Scribb, I agree on Todd. My friend and I were giggling at his ‘PUA skills’ because he seemed sooooo robotic. SJF, I love daddy more than anyone (and it has nothing to do w money.) But my stepmom? Meh. All I said is she’s beautiful, and thats literally the only quality she has going for her. @corypheus “As krauser puts it, good looking guys just have to run “don’t fuck up” game. Do you know what’s part and parcel of “don’t fuck up” game? Being nice. Just because you’re good looking doesn’t mean you’re not beta.”… Read more »
“Do you guys really believe that slamming the door in our faces and cheating on her and just acting like an asshole will get her to like you?” Do you really believe that they want you to like them? “Well read college major . . .” Better, more exclusive and expensive school than yours. Went there from primary school. Full academic scholarship, including books. Real major. Obligatory year of study abroad, which was no big deal to me, being already well acquainted with and at home in Europe. ” with a good job” I don’t need a “job.” I have… Read more »
@scribblerg “Indeed, I hate Todd’s voice and on some level, I can’t believe what he does works” That’s kind of the point though. That you don’t need to look and sound and dress like James Bond to do this stuff. What we’re doing is hitting attraction triggers. If a table lamp could hit those triggers a girl would be attracted to that table lamp lol Like if a girl could shit-test a lamp and that lamp could respond with cocky/funny agree/amplify she would find herself drawn to that lamp. That’s why girls fall in love with characters in movies and… Read more »
@SFG I was referring to your understanding how the Feminine Imperative will always slut shame Bree Olsen. Men typically won’t (for being a pornstar, that is, they will shame her for fucking up her career by her past decisions and not owning up to that fact.) I think I was conflating the two with each other – women slut shaming her and men shaming for not opening up to her mistakes. In the past I’ve heard red pill guys say about porn stars, that Duke chick for instance, “well she needs to pay for the cigarettes of her actions” and… Read more »
@sun “That is certainly one aspect of “slut shaming” that women don’t like that men participate in: denial of entitlement to provisioning from top 20% males. And my earnings are in the top 10%. Oops. As a wise man once said, “Can’t turn a ho in to a housewife”” Brad Pitt, when he was arguably one of the highest value men around, wifed up Angelina Jolie. Angelina Jolie has a definite past. altho she said she’s only slept with 4 men…… what makes a ‘ho’ is low impulse control. now, with a girl who’s got a very high N count… Read more »
“are they chicks with low impulse control?”
If they abandoned their dream to be a doctor and dropped out of a med program to be a porn star; yes.
@pell “Meanwhile, the red pill guys are basically saying it was her responsibility to be aware of the fact that it WOULD have negative repercussions, and it’s unlikely that she hasn’t heard that from someone, so she shouldn’t be crying now that she made her bed, so to speak.” like, think about it man…. you’re a young person and the world just feeds you a bunch of BULLSHIT. for a young hot chick it’s ‘ya do whatever u want sleep with whoever be freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee whooooooooooooooooooooooooo you go girrrrrrrrl!’ a significant amount of women fall for it. others are only saved… Read more »
kfg
“If they abandoned their dream to be a doctor and dropped out of a med program to be a porn star; yes.”
well, i was referring to low N-count/virgins the manosphere loves…..
A low N-count virgin. Emily, are your ears burning?
That’s why she’s thinking of nursing now, but nurses have to be perceived like a mother from Indiana. Yeah, not so much anymore. A couple of years ago at a hot springs resort I spent some time at night in a pool listening to a gaggle of women in the next pool over. Eventually I had enough words to know they were all nurses of some sort. When I walked by their pool on the way to the showers I paused to read some of their ink, although it was all sleeve or lower back. Definitely DTF under many circumstances.… Read more »
@scray I said “smart”. Pitt is high value, but “smart” is another thing altogether. It’s not necessarily a part of high value, though it can be. And for the record in his position I’d have banged her and moved on. Hell, if I was on the extreme end of the money/fame/status spectrum, I’d never marry. Ever. If you’re a billionaire and she says “Marry me or I’m gone”, why wouldn’t you just say “Uh. OK. I’ll just replace you with one from the line of younger, hotter models stretching out my door. See ya.” Makes no sense to me when… Read more »
Low N-count virgin.. I think the low n-count part of that term is a bit redundant really..
http://media4.giphy.com/media/qzQD82aiiv3iM/200.gif
@sun “I said “smart”. Pitt is high value, but “smart” is another thing altogether. It’s not necessarily a part of high value, though it can be.” Lol smart IS a high value trait. women value smarts and cleverness in men. “And for the record in his position I’d have banged her and moved on.”” having a hard time believing it, but aight. “Hell, if I was on the extreme end of the money/fame/status spectrum, I’d never marry. Ever.” I’m not at the extreme of that and I have the same opinion. Long-term monogamy is like chopping your balls off because……(there… Read more »
@Sun Lol that gif is amazing you’re a young person and the world just feeds you a bunch of BULLSHIT. Hmm, where have I seen that before? *blatantly looks to the note which marks the subject of this post* I can empathize just fine. I get it – no one is enforcing boundaries for you so you think you’re queen shit who can do no wrong until life catches up with you and now you’re in a shitty situation. It sucks. I just don’t sympathize. I was serious above when I said that I will lose no sleep over the… Read more »
“both missed the slash”
See Sun’s response.
She’s priding herself on her math skills rather than her philosphy/theology/Churchian-ideology skills.
It’s: Low N-Count Born Again Virgin. Everyone knows that status is just as good. Until 10 years into the marriage.
@Pelleon
“I just don’t sympathize.”
ya that’s fine. no one wants or needs anyone else’s pity.
i’m mostly remarking on the sometimes weird expectations and the ‘they SHOULD HAVE KNOWN-esque’ style.
Agreed. I’ve heard people suggest the same towards me with regard to my naivety in accepting the beta bucks message.
As I said before- I refuse to accept blame for my position. Responsibility, yes, but not blame.
The same, in my mind, extends to any women who fall prey to the FI messages and fail to catch the red pill truths early. It’s not their fault that they were weak… but it is their responsibility to deal with it.
@scray idk, if you can somehow not have all of what you just said you think about things not come through as judgmental at all in your RL subcomms and everything, cool. If my mentality is “Don’t care, I’m spinning multiple plates anyway” and I’ve got abundance, then it shouldn’t matter at all whether an individual woman is that way or not. Obviously I’ll want women like that for the most part, as I’m just looking for fun getting laid. I’m totally cool with it in ONS or plates. I’m just ruling them out as keepers for my own protection… Read more »
@pell “The same, in my mind, extends to any women who fall prey to the FI messages and fail to catch the red pill truths early. It’s not their fault that they were weak… but it is their responsibility to deal with it.” “As I said before- I refuse to accept blame for my position. Responsibility, yes, but not blame.” I think it’s a tough issue. So I avoid telling people they have responsibility or blame or whatever. I tend to think of it as an AFC has a raw deal and has to undo a shitton of bad programming… Read more »
” . . . money brings its own set of problems.” That is true, which is why I deliberately moderate my money to keep it below the point that I spend most of my time and money dealing with accountants and lawyers to protect it. I have shit that I want to do. Shit that requires enough money to have the freedom to do them, but in and of themselves have nothing at all to do with money. Riding bikes and playing fiddles, for instance. More to the point, however, is that there is a class of problems that are… Read more »
This topic reminds me of a friend who works full time as a driller and used to work part time as a personal bouncer for strippers at private shows. My friend is a big man with a shaved head. He was so intimidating that he said he never had any problems at any of the shows. In reality, he was a genuinely nice guy. What was interesting is every single stripper who employed my friend used to call him crying in the middle of the night about her latest problems with the latest jerk boyfriend. None were interested in banging… Read more »
So having been reminded of the “leave britney alone” video, I had to go out and watch it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSTXuJeTks
lol I’m pretty sure Rollo could write a whole post just about this video, and the identification with the FI it represents.
@Radium
Sounds like good fodder for YaReally to use as an example as hawt bod != slaying hot poon.