Storytelling

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“If a story is not about the hearer he will not listen. And here I make a rule – a great and interesting story is about everyone or it will not last.”  – East of Eden

About 3 months ago there was a very interesting side conversation of the main article topic in the comments. The movie 300 came up and how it was or wasn’t a good illustration of conventional masculinity. I’ll just say that from a purely pulp fantasy perspective I loved the movie. And as a fantasy it was great, but both men and women like to romanticize various times and stories in history to suit their desires, as well as reinforce their beliefs.

I think many retromasculinty subscribers get caught up in what YaReally calls LARPing – live action roleplaying – with regards to how these fantasies become romanticized ideals that were neither true of that period, nor are they really relevant for contemporary times. With today’s communication and ubiquitous movie animation it’s all too simple for the less socially savvy to latch on to old books heroic ideals.

But as I said, I loved the movie and I can see how heroic movies in this theme appeal to men frustrated by modern societal circumstance. If that mythological fantasy inspires them to greater aspiration I would say they do serve some purpose – for personal visualization if nothing else.

Unfortunately anything that celebrates masculinity today just becomes a target of ridicule and homosexual shaming for heterosexual men. It’s ironic how a fem-centric society will embrace flagrant homosexuality as normative yet when a heterosexual man celebrates his maleness he’s shamefully suspected of being homosexual himself. This in effect is a way to contain conventional masculinity in something that the Feminine Imperative hopes will control it.

I have on 3 separate occasions at 3 separate evangelical churches seen the ‘going off to war’ scene from 300 used as a ridiculous marketing tool to inspire ‘christian’ men to go to a Christian Men’s weekend retreat. It’s the part where the 300 are ranked up in front of Leonidas and he’s surveying their fitness for battle. The language is in french and the english subtitles are swapped in for some suitably ridiculous dialog between the men and Leonidas and Leo’s wife (whom he refers to as “snuggle bear” or some shit).

This is a good example of the feminine-primary ridicule of masculinity that Churchianity co-opts into Christian Culture. They are all too ready, maybe even more ready, to pander to men’s LARPing instinct while simultaneously ridiculing anything that might hint at men celebrating their maleness – much less finding any realistic empowerment from it. And the real tragedy is that it’s these self-same christian men who are creating these parodies of themselves.

The Imperative Awakens

I’m going to paraphrase a bit here, but there’s an idiom that states if you can control the art and imagination of a culture you can subdue that culture. I may be butchering that, but the drift is that when you supplant an ‘organic’ idealism with the ideological seeds of what you believe ‘ought to be’ you begin by stirring the imagination at an early age.

When we’re in our early youth we’re like intellectual sponges from the age of 5 on into (and beyond) our teenage years. So it should come as no surprise that male idealism finds its most formative roots when we’re kids. Even when our imaginations aren’t fed by myths and stories boys will take up the role of creating them for themselves. The details of exactly what we create and romanticize are less important than how we came to identifying with it and how it influences our identities later in life.

I’m prefacing here with this to give you an understanding of just how easy it’s become for a feminine-primary social order to influence this nascent idealism in boys and later men. The human race is one based on stories. First it was oral histories and later those were recorded in written languages. Telling stories is how we used to learn, and really still do in a more detailed fashion with the rise of technology and global communications. When boys are playing out the roles of characters presented to them they are enacting the ideals of what’s represented in those stories.

SPOILER ALERT – If you haven’t seen Star Wars, The Force Awakens yet, you’ll want to skip this next part until you do.

I recently watched the latest installment of the Star Wars series, The Force Awakens, and as you might guess it’s virtually impossible for me to see any popular media without my Red Pill Lenses on. Going in I had no doubt that I’d be subjected to the messaging of the Feminine Imperative, but I loved the original series and even the much maligned prequels, so I knew I’d want to see this one.

I fondly remember seeing the original Star Wars in the theater when it released in 1977. I was 9 years old and I absorbed the fantasy and mythology of it as you might expect a boy would. Heroism, daring, fighting, and all the comic book bravado I was already steeped in was more than satisfying, but there was also the element of mythology and moralism that crept into the story arc in the sequels.

Of course I couldn’t appreciate it then, but that mythology was a carefully crafted aspect of the original stories. There’s a great book, and I think documentary, called The Power of Myth about the Star Wars series that I later found an appreciation for as I got older and made the connections with the classics I also loved in college.

So with this in the back of my head I went to see The Force Awakens, and with a Red Pill perspective I could appreciate the complete, feminized, bastardization of this original, well crafted mythology.

Granted the story arc carefully followed from the original Star Wars movie; Death Star, small weakness, heroic last minute attempt to destroy it, galaxy saved when the bigger Death Star explodes, the end. The basic plot is essentially the same and left me thinking that this was more of a rewrite than any real progression from the original trilogy.

Overall it felt very hurried. There was the presumption of familiarity with, and between, all of the new characters, but within the familiar formula-theme (you know the Titanic sinks and you know the Death Star explodes) the lack of character development is obviously something the writers will explore in future sequels.

It’s important to keep this copping of the old formula in mind, because what J.J. Abrams does in this effective retelling is important when you begin to see the bastardization and the influence of the Feminine Imperative in the story. For the past decade there’s been a popular push to assimilate old, formulaically successful films and story franchises and retell them from a feminine-primary perspective. Recently that was the Mad Max rehash that casts the main character as an ambiguously masculine woman. In 2016 the ‘all-female-but-don’t-call-it-all-female’ version of Ghost Busters is slated for release. Hell, even 300 got the ‘make it feminine primary’ treatment with its sequel.

It’s no secret that there’s been a dearth of original storytelling in Hollywood for the better part of the 21st century. Thus, the want to return to the old magic that got the last 3 generations inspired. 80’s cartoons, now classic sci-fi and fantasy franchises, and golden era comics serves as a deep well of movie-ready stories, but none are retold without the ubiquitous pervasiveness that the Feminine Imperative requires of its storytellers today.

Killing Heroes in Male Space

I was not shocked in the slightest that the first heroic casualty of the film would be Han Solo; and slain by his neurotic, identity conflicted son no less. It was apropos for a retelling of the classic formula that would see all semblances of conventional masculinity erased from what is intended to be a new classic. Han Solo represented the last of a kind, the brash, self-assured, cocky scoundrel that women cannot resist – the “I love you.” “I know.” brand of rake.

In an earlier iteration Captain Kirk from the original Star Trek series held the same old books bravado, and minus the outlaw, anti-hero aspect of Solo, Kirk was essentially the same character (if not with a bit more responsibility). If I had the stomach to do so, it would be an interesting social experiment to do a cross-generational comparative analysis of the characters from the original Star Trek series cast with the Next Generation cast of the early 90s. Even if you only have a cursory understanding of both series, you can see the generational capstones evident in the main characters of each generation, separated by less than 30 odd years.

It might seem a bit foolish to use flights of fancy as archetypes that define the character of a generation, but remember this is science fiction, and that genre describes a want for how that generation sees the future unfolding – even when it is just fantasy. Were it not de rigueur for the franchise I might expect J.J. Abrams to delete the iconic “A long time ago”, part of a galaxy far, far away.

What Star Wars and other long established story franchises represent to the prophets of the Feminine Imperative is twofold. First and foremost they represent familiar vehicles into which the ideological messaging of the imperative can be palatably digested. Second, they represent opportunities of the retribution and restitution for perceived wrongs that feminism has always sought after.

Paint it Pink

As I mentioned earlier, these classic feminine-interpreted remakes are glaring examples of the lack of any truly creative storytelling for some time. I had to laugh a bit when I’d seen that The Mighty Thor (classic conventional masculine archetype) had been “bravely” replaced by a female Thor in the comics recently. The story formula remains the same, but the gender is swapped. Not for nothing, but if Marvel were truly ‘brave’ about a gender swap they’d make Red Sonja a ginger male barbarian who goes around wantonly killing women to prove he’s as good as any woman in combat.

However, the gender swaps, the killing of long established, storied masculine characters, and the appropriation of classic, heroic masculine story formulae (even all-male comedies) all represent the jealous need to retell and rehash in a way that denies and discredits Male Space. The attempts (like Star Wars) are feeble retellings of exactly the same stories with women characters and women’s interests inserted into what formerly accounted for male space storytelling.

Blue Pill readers may read this last assertion and think, well, that’s kind of a stretch, but what you should ask yourselves is why those well established franchises are such attractive, more attractive, endeavors than making the efforts to create a new story to tell that conveys the same, feminine primary, social narrative? Why remake Mad Max as a woman? Why give Thor a sex change rather than create a new character in a new franchise that embodies the same ideals the imperative hopes will ride on the old ones?

Because that ideology, by and of itself, is neither believable nor admirable to men. Those bastardized, contrived notions of feminine empowerment are only legitimized in a world, fantasy or otherwise, that was created by men. So we get a girl Jedi (my guess is Disney will eventually make Rey a princess) who is all things to everything. And we get a bumbling, reluctant male “hero” who’s stumbles along needing her aid at every obstacle. Compare the character of Finn with that of Han Solo and you begin to understand why Solo needs to die when the Star Wars franchise playground passes into the hands of a director who’s been steeped in feminine-primacy for a lifetime.

Now, all of this might seem like an effort in pointing out the obvious for most Red Pill aware men. After all, it was this time last year that I wrote the Red Pill Lens, and even if I hadn’t most Red Pill men are painfully aware of how saturated in the imperative that popular media/culture truly is. Bear in mind, the Disney marketing juggernaut had the entire world aware of all the new characters’ names, the basic plot and a million different co-branding effort in every imaginable, and unrelated, variety since the beginning of June this year.

But all this comes back to the stories we tell ourselves. What flights of fancy we romanticizes and idealize (idolize?) in our youth, as well as the ones we reminisce over later in life. It’s one thing to point out how boys are taught to gender loathe in school or how our teachers instill us with their own ideological bents, but that learning goes far beyond the formal institutionalized kind. Flights of fancy, imaginative storytelling, the games we play as children and adults are indulgences we want to play a part in willingly. We like that kind of teaching, we look forward to it; but even so, feminine-primacy is ready to co-opt that desire for it’s own ends.

And that is how you subdue a culture.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Britni de la Cretaz

Those two articles are the entire argument for why you don’t wife up the post-epiphany Strong Independent Woman ever. Let her lane change in to a wreck with somebody else instead of the off-ramp with you. If she was slutting and partying it up in her 20s, at some point later she’s going to compensate somehow in the other direction. Your sex life will probably be her first casualty.

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Scribbler, I agree with your peevish analysis. I don’t have a perfect solution, but I’m not going to stop trying for my own best strategy, my awareness and my game. Descriptions and analyses of behavior with examples allows one to write their own script. I take my analysis and break down the red pill elements and use it for my own personal game. Your mileage may vary, but you do/should want better mileage. Couple points I learned: -Life is not one big Apex Fallacy. We are all down on our own level and must leverage our assets and strengths and… Read more »

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@Keyser Soze: Not available in the US.

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Heh, Keyser fails to add comment value and move the dialog along in interesting ways. He fails the burden of commenting–to be engaging.

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What is that Keyser Soze, the MGTOW fight song?

You have me confused with someone that is not an optimistic red pill aware game enthusiast.

Lord help me, I got itchy keyboard fingers. And my pressure of speech is coming back.

By the way, I’m having a wonderful holiday season. Can’t remember one this good. Very much thanks to Rollo Tomassi. I’m making it work out here in the trenches. I hope that you can coax many more men through triage.

Best of wishes for you and your family in the new year Rollo!

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There’s a giant elephant in the room everyone’s ignoring. The Spartan men, those mighty, manly 300, were all bisexuals and were raised to have sex with men beginning in boyhood. In fact, many ancient Greek thinkers (and a few moderns) argued male relationships to be far superior to male-female relationships, the later being lower because they are nearly always, always, always for most heterosexual contacts connected to the female instinct to breed. When Aristotle discusses the superior good it’s an activity that is done for the sake of the activity itself, it’s not difficult to put sex into the formula.… Read more »

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Omg. You have a guy who everyone says is a loser and who the woman is too good for….somehow gain her admiration and respect and attraction through the force of his charisma (bonus points for those who spot which DHV Finn hits)….sounds like something we all have experience with…..rhymes with name. Remember….she starts giving him her hand, she wears his jacket, she still smiles at him even though he confessed to lying to her and literally being her enemy, and the only reason she uses her grrrrl power is to help him. As soon as the fight is over she… Read more »

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“The Spartan men, those mighty, manly 300 . . .”

. . . gave so much social power to their women that it was blamed for the eventual fall of Sparta.

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“There’s a giant elephant in the room everyone’s ignoring.

It’s more than a little funny that Christian evangelical men would hero worship Spartan solders.”

YGBSM. Who’s room and what Christian evangelical’s are you describing?

Please state your bias before waltzing in and blithely commenting making shit up. Or, what is that Q.E.D thingy that KFG keeps mentioning? Last time I checked there was not any homo-eroticists here.

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@YGBSM and KFG – He’s not “making shit up”, he’s misrepresenting it slightly. When he says Spartan soldiers were trained for bisexuality, what he’s not describing is that Spartan older Spartan soldiers were supposed to have sex with younger Spartan boys in training, but that these relationships were to cease in adulthood. There were some boys who still fucked their adult Spartan mentors/sex partners in adulthood but they were shamed and most Spartan men took wives and were encouraged to do so. This is also a common practice in numerous primitive societies today, in say Afghanistan and numerous Arab countries… Read more »

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@KFG – Focus, please. My retort to you was that I’m having a hard time finding fresh cukes in my world, given my situation in it (53, single). I’m picking from the cukes available now, you are not. You didn’t really offer any response to that, other than to be better at Game – this is obviously what we are all doing. The ecology and culture really matter. I’m not hopeless, I’m just dealing with what I see every day. Let me offer the categories of women I meet and how I see LTR potential as an illustration, not meant… Read more »

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@Scribbler: “He’s not “making shit up” . . .” I’ve read Xenophon. ” . . . it’s hysterical that Evangos would use the iconography of Spartan soldiers . . .” They never have and likely never will be able to reconcile their Christian faith with the fact that the classical world, both Greek and Roman, the foundation of western civilization, was pagan. And for the Americans there is also the issue that the Spartans were essentially commies to deal with. “Focus, please.” Ditto; weren’t me. “– Divorcees in their 30s and early 40s. I could just as easily put a… Read more »

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Yep, more focused this morn, sorry for my solipsism.

I’m with ya, dude too.

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ScribblerG: Agree with you on your assessment of LTR viability. Something I learned about the workforce a while back. I have always been an employee, never managed or ran my own thing. My experience is that it matters the most what your boss thinks of you, not what you actually do. Now you need to be competent, and people who get a rep for troublemaking or incompetence, that will follow them. But I’ve had bosses who thought I was great, others who eliminated my position or wouldn’t promote me. There is only so much you can do to make an… Read more »

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@SJF “Please state your bias before waltzing in and blithely commenting making shit up. Or, what is that Q.E.D thingy that KFG keeps mentioning? Last time I checked there was not any homo-eroticists here.” Sorry. Had I known you were such a sensitive baby I would have toned down my rhetoric. @scribblerg I’m not misrepresenting anything. This information widely available. Most pagan men were bisexual. Suetonius wrote that Julius Caesar was known as “every woman’s man and every man’s woman.” When Spartan men were eventually married to a woman, to re-acclimate them to heterosexuality, they would glue whiskers to the… Read more »

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I finally saw Star Wars, and for the “losers” who think Rollo spoiled it, you missed nothing. I agree it’s a kid’s movie, geared for kids, it’s not great, even by a long shot. This film won’t win any awards for acting (some characters had “high English” and some talked like they were from Jersey), it was just sloppy, poorly done, and every PC/FI thing was hit. All the “in the know” or “leader” characters were women, or female. I saw it, only because I was a kid, was with kids, and wanted to see what the hype was, plus… Read more »

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@Bachelorocles

“Sorry. Had I known you were such a sensitive baby I would have toned down my rhetoric.”

Thank you. I appreciate the thoughtfulness on my behalf.

But I still don’t get your message.

As you wrote, “It has to do with the supply and demand in the sex market place and how most heterosexual men today struggle to get sex and most often have to resort to these shameful and lopsided marriage contracts that are, in essence, prostitution contracts.”

Nor do I understand what this thirst has to do with anachronistic practices of the Spartans and the Romans.

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I’m simply discussing the methods used by the ancients to address the problem of the imbalance between male demand for sex and the supply of pussy. There’s clearly imbalance, otherwise game would be unnecessary, no? Otherwise, women would be unable to so manipulate most men, no?

I’m not sure what you’re after here? Are you joining my discussion? Or are you demanding I account for my existence to you?

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@Bachelorocles

I’m not sure what you’re after here? Are you joining my discussion? Or are you demanding I account for my existence to you?

he is trying to figure out why you haven’t yet discussed how some men fuck sheep as part of the imbalance problem, and what point in general you are trying to make

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@redlight I am saying a society that does not regulate or reduce male births and which raises men to be sexually attracted exclusively to women will, by the numbers and via biology, be of necessity fem-centric because most of the men will be beta males and women will be able to manipulate them to enter into exclusive prostitution contracts and to be their work slaves. It will be a society that worships the female body, the female reproductive function, it will worship breeding, and will worship, especially, motherhood. My other point is the hilarious picture I get of Christian Evangelicals… Read more »

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Joseph Campbell wrote The Power of Myth as well as several other excellent books on mythology; The Hero With A Thousand Faces, Myths To Live By, and several others. Bill Moyers interviewed Campbell after the original Star Wars and discussed the reasons for the massive success of the movie because of its mythological appeal. My father and I spoke personally with Campbell via telephone when I was in highschool in 1978. Another excellent read concerning the subject is The Golden Bough by James George Frazer. For a mythology to endure it must be analogous to reality in some way. It… Read more »

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a society … which raises men to be sexually attracted exclusively to women

so you are saying that heterosexuality happens as part of the raising process of society, compared to some biological hardwiring that would aid in the reproduction of the human species

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“so you are saying that heterosexuality happens as part of the raising process of society, compared to some biological hardwiring that would aid in the reproduction of the human species”

What do you think? Have you studied ancient Greece and Rome?

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Have you studied ancient Greece and Rome?

As I type this I’m two feet away from my Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Greece and Rome, so no

As to what I think, I think most men are hardwired for pussy, but if that is unavailable, such as in jail or when herding sheep or in the navy at sea, there has been a tendency for some to make do. When pussy is available, even if it has to be paid for, then most men go for what they want

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@redlight I agree nearly all men are hardwired for it. However, we can examine societies in the past and learn that we can raise men to be bisexual or to even prefer male relationships over male-female relationships. In ancient Greece and Rome the male was considered the beautiful gender. My point is, so long as we do not reduce male births and so long as we raise boys to be sexually attracted exclusively to women, we will be a fem-centric society that worships the female body and raises motherhood, to sainthood, that coddles women and views them as victims despite… Read more »

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Your argument seems valid until one considers the reality that nothing new is occurring with women and men. We are the same as we have been for many thousand years. Technology has advanced but our physiological make up has not changed much if at all. Yet you and some others seem to cling to a hope defined by “new understanding”. This “new understanding” is not discovering anything new. You have articuately connected some dots and that is excellent. But the dots have been around a long time and you aren’t the first by a long shot. Your analysis morphs into… Read more »

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The issue with the comment system here isn’t so much the lack of nested comments – it’s more that it’s really difficult to navigate through 8-9 pages of comments on a big thread to find what you want – it takes a lot longer (and the navigation is a pain – for eg the Older and Newer comments links are at the bottom of each comments page when there should really be two sets – one at the top and one at the bottom to save scrolling to the end just to hit “Newer comments”) If we could have all… Read more »

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@NBTM

This “new understanding” is not discovering anything new

Sure, and while gravity has been around for a very long time, the understanding of gravity has not been. Likewise the Earth is round, but Galileo got tortured for disagreeing with the Church’s understanding. If you go around openly talking about Rollo’s understanding in your workplace, you will find what the Church of the FI will do to you.

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OT Point of Order:

“Likewise the Earth is round, but Galileo got tortured for disagreeing with the Church’s understanding.”

The Church accepted the sphericity of the Earth, and even knew its approximate diameter. What it would not accept is that it moved.

Galileo wasn’t tortured, he was confined to his villa, except for those times when he wasn’t, and it wasn’t for disagreeing, per se, but for violating a direct order of the Pope not to publish the claim of a moving Earth.

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Welp, kfg beats me to the punch again.

Ya, the Church’s actions against Galileo have been somewhat exaggerated in the popular imagination. The Church didn’t tend to display levels of barbarism greater than customary to its cultural surroundings. To its credit, my impression is that it tended to show very slightly less.

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Confusing sentence. The Church didn’t tend to display levels of barbarism greater than was customary to the culture surrounding it.

Tiny words important.

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Culum Straun has it. Comment pages are a pain in the ass when they get 7 deep, especially on a phone. Especially when WordPress starts fucking up the pagination.

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Now for something a bit more substansive: @NBTM “Essentially, the frame is created to force the choice upon each individual. It is this frame that you are unwittingly and ardently defending. Perhaps you do not realize that what you once set out investigate and possibly battle against is what you now ardently defend. This is what concerned me when I read your second book and encountered your defense of romantic idealism when excecised within an alpha frame. My friend, there is no romantic ideal. It is all flame and air as Don Miguel De Servantes wrote. It is nothing. It… Read more »

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They’re getting their panties all wedged over at SJW-control, VoxCulture, frantically denying that Rey is the very model of a modern Mary-Sue. Just like that one-armed chick in MM:Furry Road. Because if she is, then Luke was, or something. Or just about anybody doing anything is. The main aim seems to be to wilfully ignore observed gender roles and the assumption that it is .. what could one say, to keep the shreiking hordes of Twitter etc. at bay? .. *ahem* remarkably uncharacteristic in the Real World to have any woman, ever, living and performing in that way, from childhood… Read more »

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“shrieking”,
like I was when That Girl hopped into the sacred and venerable Millennium Falcon and Just Got It without even trying. As do we all dear, as do we all.
By God am I ever grateful that Carrie, bless her, didn’t get shoved into the slave-girl outfit for this iteration though. Between her, and Han’s teeth (WTF I thought he was a rich guy?), I didn’t know where to look.

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“a ginger male barbarian who goes around wantonly killing “
Ah. I see you’ve already been introduced to my friend Mr Kovacs aka Rorschach.

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“White Men Are Nazis. They threw in the resistance fighter pilot to be able to refute this argument.” Whoa there, young Matatan padawan! Brother Bo is a less-than-three-dimensional guido caricature somewhat cruder than da Fonz. And therefore in the collective subconscious of the storytellers, whoever they may be, Not Quite White. The game is to get all the “Minorities” onside and propping up The Noble White Ladies, in their epic struggle against the Meal Ticket Evil Patriarchy Dark Side. Like Ewoks. Thing I couldn’t get over is the fucking size of ‘Finn’s’ head. Massive, like a Shire horse. Worried it’s… Read more »

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Django, ok?

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@Tam Well I for one am enjoying the commentary. Heh, I did think the actor who played Finn was kinda weird-looking. He did a solid job in my estimation, though, so no harm no foul. His role and competency was not unlike an Episode IV Luke. Well, I saw the movie now and as I anticipated I quite enjoyed it. Expected the feminist shit so I just didn’t let it faze me as I watched. The complete ripoff of the third act of EP IV was a touch rolleyes but I dealt just fine, and I thought the mythological character… Read more »

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https://twitter.com/kylor3n

Emo Kylo Ren

Funny, but also interesting how men’s rights and non-gender equalism beliefs are being associated with impotent douchebags.

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