The Purple Pill

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Four years ago I wrote a post titled Could a Man Have Written This? I opened that post with a short, I thought positive, critique of an article by Mona Charen in which she in turn took a then relatively unknown Kate Bolick to task over her All the Single Ladies article. You can read the whole post; it was one of my earliest essays on this blog and, as I’ve come to realize, one of my more prophetic ones too.

My intent in that essay wasn’t to call Charen to the carpet, but rather to illustrate the point that only women are allowed to write an article that criticizes issues specific to women. It is an indictment of, and evidence of, the feminine centric social order we find ourselves in today that any man brazen enough to write verbatim the same offering would be dismissed and passed over as a misogynists at best – lose his long career and personal life at worst.

No man could write this critique and be taken seriously, and therein lies the danger in women co-opting the message the manosphere has been compiling for 12 years now. The environment is such that anything remotely critical a man might offer is instantly suspect of misogyny or personal (‘he’s bitter”) bias, however, couch that message in a female perspective, play Mrs. Doubtfire, and you’ll at least reach the audience beginning with something like validity.

Not surprisingly this element of message delivery is lost on most women. Adopting the male perspective seems novel, something that might set a woman apart in a sea of common fem-speak, but it’s important for Men to understand that anything positive a ‘pro-man’ female author has to offer is still rooted in her female reality. In girl-world, what directly benefits women necessarily is presumed to benefit men, so what we’ll see is a new wave of female bloggers bastardizing the world-worn ideas that the manosphere has put together and repackaging it in a female context. It’s Man Up 2.0; make a token push to “re-empower” men just enough for them to idealize the romanticism of the responsibilities required for living up to women’s expectations.

I daresay this last part is exactly what the manosphere is seeing now. Like any other Male Space the Feminine Imperative makes it its business to ensure that ‘overseers in the locker room’ – in this case the social awareness of the Red Pill –  are emplaced to control a narrative and a condition to suit its purposes. That may sound conspiratorial, but there is no need for a concerted effort when women’s natural, fluid interest in attention and indignation will motivate them to co-opt the narrative of Red Pill awareness.

From Male Space:

Overseers in the Locker Room

The second purpose in the goal of female inclusion into male space is really a policing of the thought dynamics and attitudes of the men in that space. When women are allowed access to the locker room the dynamic of the locker room changes. The locker room can take many different shapes: the workplace environment, the sports team, the group of all-male coders, the primarily male scientific community, the ‘boys club’, the group of gamer nerds at the local game store, even strip clubs and the sanctuary you think your ‘man cave’ is – the context is one of women inserting themselves into male space in order to enforce the dictates of feminine social primacy.

When the influence of feminine-primacy is introduced into social settings made up mainly by men and male-interests, the dynamics and purpose of that group changes. The purpose becomes less about the endeavor itself and more about adherence to the feminine-inclusionary aspect of that endeavor. It starts to become less about being the best or most passionate at what they do, and more about being acceptable to the influence of the Feminine Imperative while attempting to maintain the former level of interest in the endeavor.

Men unaccustomed to having women in their midst generally react in two ways; According to their proper feminized conditioning, they embrace the opportunity to impress these ‘trailblazing’ women (hoping to be found worthy of intimacy) with their enthusiastic acceptance of, and identification with, their feminine overseer(s), or they become easy foils of an “out moded” way of thinking that the new ‘in-group’ happily labels them with.

Once the feminine-primary in-group dynamic is established a ‘feminine correct’ social frame follows. This feminine correction restructures the priorities of goals, and validates any accomplishments, in terms of how they reflect upon the feminine as a whole. Thus any in-group success is perceived as a feminine success in male space, while in-group failures or simple mediocrity is either dismissed entirely or blamed on out-group men’s failure to comply with, or the rejection of, the Feminine Imperative’s ‘correcting’ influence on the in-group.

It’s very important for Red Pill aware men, manospherean men, to keep this dynamic in mind when they are assessing and evaluating the various messages and intents of the men from whom they’re considering taking advice from.

The Purple Pill

In the community, The Purple Pill is a euphemism for men who’ve become Red Pill aware, but for a variety of insecurities have decided to temper the uncomfortable truths of that awareness with their previous Blue Pill hopes. The harsh, ugly truths that the nature of women, the nature of Hypergamy and the natural selection process of intersexual dynamics presents to these guys becomes too much to bear. It’s all encompassing; when a man begins to see his surroundings with a Red Pill lens the difficult truth needs for an optimistic solution to counter what would otherwise be nihilism.

As I detailed in A New Hope, there’s a want for some sort of Red Pill solution in achieving Blue Pill fantasized goals.

Learn this now, you will never achieve contentment or emotional fulfillment in a blue pill context with red pill awareness.

I’ve included as my blog picture the first and last book covers published by former Frat Boy PUA Tucker Max. I could just as easily have used Neil Strauss’ most recent book, or Athol Kay and Married Man Sex Life as an example, but I think Tucker’s covers tell the story better than a thousand words. When women, women’s interests and women’s sexual strategies become an endemic part of that man’s previous message or a male-specific social movement, the fundamental, underlying impetus becomes compromised. It becomes a tool of the Feminine Imperative.

The present condition of the Mens Human Rights movement is a glaring example of this insaturation of feminine influence. At some stage along the evolution of this otherwise laudable movement its leaders recognized that their best messengers – really their only options – for their grievances were women. Our feminine-primary social order only allows women to be critical of other women, thus the only avenue became investing their message in the women who would voice it for them.

Although I’m cautiously optimistic about the production and release of The Red Pill movie in the coming year I have to temper that with the knowledge that a documentary about the MRM will, once again, owe its credibility to a self-identifying feminist, Cassie Jaye, to tell the story for them. For all of the reassurances and promises of objectivity on her part, the subplot of the documentary prominently features her self-doubt and questioning of her own feminist beliefs during the process of her making the documentary.

On the surface this female self-discovery probably seems like a confirmation of purpose to the men of the MRM, but from a Red Pill perspective – the true Red Pill awareness neither she nor the notables of the MRM are willing to acknowledge – this is yet one more example of the innate feminine solipsism we’ve dissected for a decade now. From Eat, Pray Love to Gone Girl, the female self-discovery script is almost cliché now, but I expect that the bulk of the publicity and interviews of Jaye that follow this film will be less about the MRM and more focused on her very predictable “personal growth journey”.

As I stated in Male Space, the purpose becomes less about the endeavor itself and more about adherence to the feminine-inclusionary aspect of that endeavor. This has been a constant bugbear for the Mens Rights Movement, and is the primary reason they must maintain an inclusionary egalitarian / equalist aspect to their message.

The present state of the MRM is just one of the more apparent examples of men’s groups inviting this feminine influence to ostensibly validate their message. There are others. Tucker Max’s most recent venture appears to be selling himself as a reformed cad who followed the romantic comedy script and is now appeasing his wife’s influence by helping men better understand how to better accommodate Hypergamy.

From The Script:

For women, the only thing better than experiencing this script vicariously through movies and stories is to see it happen live. David D’Angelo, Tucker Max are a few manosphere notable who’ve played the come-full-circle surrender to the script. There are far more guys who play it in a more visual sense (the repentant ‘Womanizer’ episodes on the Tyra Banks show comes to mind), but no one really remembers them, and certainly not in the ‘sphere. While there’s a sense of vindication for women to have a guy surrender his anti-social (i.e. anti-feminine primary) lifestyle and beliefs in favor of a feminine paradigm, and “settle down” into a feminine framed, normalized monogamy, surrender is still surrender. Essentially the strong vibrant man who posed such a challenge to her, the one who’s steadfast determination and conviction made him a man she was hot for as well as one she could respect, loses his status.

He’ll say, hey, you don’t know where I’m at in life, you don’t know the experiences I’ve had, life has taught me the value of compromise. Women fundamentally lack the capacity to appreciate the sacrifices a man must make to facilitate a feminine reality, but if there’s one thing women outright despise, one thing men foolishly believe women should be able to appreciate, it’s a man willing to compromise the beliefs he’s established his reputation and integrity upon in order to facilitate her feminine reality. That’s the definition of a sell-out.

As I said there are many other examples; Athol Kay and the revenue dependence he now has on his pandering to a female audience (and the inclusion of his wife and other women in his message). Evan Mark Katz’s pandering almost exclusively to upper middle class women bemoaning the same tired tropes of  “no good men” that led them to their spinsterhood in the first place. There are more, but in all these cases these men’s financial livelihood depends on their capacity to include a feminine-primary influence into their dubious male space.

This Purple Pill dynamic has also found its way into mainstream religion for much of the same reasoning these ‘Dating Coaches’ find it necessary to cater their message to a feminine-primary audience. Most will season-to-taste just a bit of whatever they’re peripherally aware of about Red Pill truth, but only enough to appear in touch with the burden of men’s performance owed to the women that make up their audiences. Like the Dating Coaches, the Purple Pill Pastor understands that his revenue depends on hold women’s attention and usually this comes in the form of playing to women’s inherent need for indignation.

And finally, there are the apologist,…

This is an old video, but it’s brought to you by the same faction that’s now fronting conferences like the Conscious Men Summit. It pains me to see Dr. Warren Farrell speaking/endorsing this new age masculine apologist movement, especially since he’s a featured interview in The Red Pill movie for the MRM. Farrell has always been an adherent of the same gender-equal fantasy he learned from 70’s feminism, but I do credit him with aiding in my own unplugging when I read Why Men Are The Way They Are.

I suppose I shouldn’t be too shocked, but the masculine apologists of this century also have a need to mix in just enough Red Pill awareness to appeal to, what they hope are the more dominant sensibilities of men. New age (really reheated 70s) masculine apologist still cling to the fallacies inherent in gender equalism, but they transition this into a restitution script they believe women will appreciate in an age where women despise their pathetic acquiescence to the Feminine Imperative they’re oblivious of.

If these guys’ message makes your stomach turn, well, I share in your disgust, but it’s important to remember that in the coming years men like this will attempt to co-opt into their message just enough of what the Red Pill as a collective has developed for the past 13-14 years.

After Roosh decided to set fire to the Red Pill community in an effort to create his own brand in neomasculinity he put out a video in which he laid claim to having ‘fathered’ the Red Pill. Now we have the MRM making similar claims of ownership to this collective with their upcoming documentary. The cover story is of course “only in name, because no one can really ‘own’ the Red Pill”, but their notables understand the conflation all too well. Furthermore we have the influences of the ‘overseers in the locker room’ effect with the likes of Tucker Max and other half-measure Purple Pill fence riders.

Back in 2011 I anticipated women writers co-opting the Red Pill and acknowledging what of it that serves their sexual strategy (Open Hypergamy) and in claiming authorship of the Red Pill they also claim the authority to define it in the ways that most fluidly serve the Feminine Imperative. The Purple Pill pushers will use what ever conveniently complements and reinforces their Blue Pill insecurities while sweeping the ugly, harsh, unflattering truth of the Red Pill aside or disqualifying them as the negativity of misogynistic complainers.

While I am humbled to be accounted as one of the Red Pill’s prominent writers I will never lay claim to having created it. The Red Pill in its truest sense belongs to the collective that has contributed to it as a whole. It belongs to the men who’ve fostered it, who’ve risked their livelihoods and families apart from it to make other men aware; it belongs to those who understand that its objectivity is what’s kept it open and honest, discussable and debatable.

At the Man In Demand conference in Vegas I opened my talk by asking those seated what they believed the Red Pill was. I did so because I believe that in the coming years there will be a concerted effort to claim authorship and definition rights to the “Red Pill”, and it’s important for anyone identifying as being Red Pill aware to acknowledge that what we’re a part of is a collective experience. We are, we become, the developments of a totality of men’s experiences across the world.

Beware of any man or woman attempting to lay claims of ownership of the Red Pill. Beware of anyone defining this awareness, distorting these truths, to accommodate their narratives.

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Bromeo
Bromeo
6 years ago

YaReally wrote:

That all said I think this affects the flaking level too. I’ve been flaked on WAY harder by like 6s and 7s than I have by 8s and 9s.

Flaking doesn’t matter on the hb level of a girl, it depends on how good you gamed her before asking her out.

Dutchman
Dutchman
6 years ago

@YaReally “It’s like if you hand me $10,000 I’ll shit bricks with joy and dance around. If you hand Bill Gates $10,000, he’ll be like “that’s cool” and be pleased about it but it’s not going to rock his world because he has a jillion dollars already. Those validation streams on their phones are like the $10,000…the metaphorically “poor” girls love it and the “rich” girls don’t really care and know that a guy who can approach them confidently and seduce them properly is worth a billion dollars.” Yeah, this shit seems to fit really well with the hedonic treadmill/ratchet… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ YaReally belief in their own inherent value as men Gamer Maxim: “Pussy is just pussy.” Corollary: “Any man is more creative, more adept at tactics, more able to take on risk, physically stronger, has a stronger libido, and has more energy than most women.” they’re too scared or socially inept or lack the confidence and belief in their own inherent value as men to just say hello to a gorgeous girl Yep. I used to dance with a 10 at a bar I used to go to. Only one other man danced with her, other than her date. Just… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Dark Triad Man
November 12th, 2015 at 11:26 am

Is that a poem you typed out?

Or are you trying to spam for your blog?

Sounds like a lot of drama there.

And what’s this about a dark world when things go to shit and your business fails and your children are swallowed up by the devastation and your mate departs for different pastures?

Dark Triad Man
6 years ago
Reply to  SJF

My point is that the cold approach is integral to both success and survival. It isn’t about a desperate, “I don’t have any plates so it’s all I can do” methodology. Some people call it the elevator speech and in venture capital, you better have your elevator speech down pat. But it’s not the 25-marketing-words spiel that captures the interest, it’s the personal engagement and the triggering of intrigue that are at the heart of the cold approach. Think of it as being a way to move from the hollow to the actual. You are commencing game without resources, completely… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

fuckin Gandalf up in here lol

Dark Triad Man
6 years ago

@YaReally – great fun. I recall one instance of this back in 2007 in Washington D.C. while staying at the Hilton on 16th St. There was a convention in town and the President was going to give a quick address. I approached one of the senior event staffers with a quick cold approach and close: “Hey there – excuse me. You’re with the event staff, correct?” “Yes, what can I help you with?” “I’m in the audience for the President’s comments tomorrow morning. I have difficulty hearing and wanted to ask if a space could be provided for me to… Read more »

IAS
IAS
6 years ago

Oops posted this on the wrong thread. Here it is About the bicycle thing, I think it is important to add it isn’t all on the male cyclist behaviour: http://www.bath.ac.uk/news/articles/archive/overtaking110906.html Mentioned in the hilarious optiong that instead of cycling like a woman, you can simply pretend to be one by wearing a wig… https://www.eta.co.uk/2011/04/01/safest-bicycle-helmet-has-built-in-wig/ Quote: “The Helmet Hair design, which is intended to be worn by both men and women, was inspired by cycle helmet research carried out by Bath University. The study revealed that car drivers leave less room when overtaking a cyclist wearing a helmet, but a much… Read more »

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Dark Triad, solid field report there.
You’re full-throttle intense it appears, even with the word slinging. Hat tip.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

…..fuckin Gandalf up in here lol……

Yeah, well he talks like a man behind a green curtain, but I like the message, actually.

And he passed my shit test. So that’s good.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Ivan,

Oh damn.. you just qualified yourself.

What would be one way to get this blog censored? Posts like that shit…

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Even passed YaReally’s shit test. Even if the anecdote that he used about sidling up to the POTUS was kinda like a non-sequitur.

I kid. But, just keep it real and practical mr. dark triad man. Some of us live in the light of day.

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Rollo, you ever do a post on family interactions after Red Pill Discovery? The holidays are approaching and I’m not happily looking forward to it because my family only knows the beta-me that accepted passive aggressive ribbing and judgements thrown at me. The new me doesn’t care for ANY comments that try to punk me, or question me, or in any way try to control the frame, and it just gets old and tiring. They are learning, but I know I’ll hear at least one comment I won’t like and I always fear I’ll go too far and snap at… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

Newlyaloof,

Shit tests like any other. My mother tests just as bad, if not worse than any broad.

Last time I saw her she actually apologized to me for her being “sexist”

Make the girls giggle, make the men think, if in doubt just laugh it off to pass their tests, it’s all good.

Just literally laugh at them.

Hell, test the living shit out of them.

Good practice.

Atticus
Atticus
6 years ago

Newlyaloof, ^ this, plus why do you care? Honestly cultivate the idea that you just don’t give fuck. You don’t need their respect, you only need to respect yourself (if you deserve it).

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Cave/Atticus The thing is, I barely even care if I hang out with them any longer actually. When I say I’m aloof, I mean it with them. It’s almost as if it’s the same as if I used to like Bud Lite and now I don’t care for it. I just really can’t be bothered to expend effort to be in their presences.

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

Aloof, I have quite a few family members I no longer talk too. They crossed major lines with me, and knew the boundaries to begin with. (Involved lawyers and shit) Blood or not, law #10. So if ya need them out of your life, then do it. Make sure you are aware of all the angles that the fallout could cause though. Otherwise, I just enjoy the family for what they can offer. Some are difficult, some are not. I game them all, I play with and tease them all. Good practice. Use them. Shit test practice. Game practice. Emotional… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

To put another way,

If they are irrelevant to my mission, I treat them as such.

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Cave good advice either path I take. Thanks.

I’ve always had a good deal of patience with people, but once I feel they have crossed a line, I have a short fuse, and I’m not a pleasant person to get angry, so I err on the side of avoiding them if possible. After all, they know nothing about the Red Pill, and I’m not going to explain it to them.

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

Also,

Don’t ever violate law #2 and do business with family unless you can also follow law #11.

It gets ugly.

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Cave “Irrelevant” I think that is the exact word I’ve been trying to describe. Although I love them, they are for the most part irrelevant to my new self.

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

What amazed me was how many family members attempted to make themselves relevant, after I changed.

Funny.

And useful.

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Cave, exactly what’s happening on my end too. lol. Family members even think I have a side piece of ass now that I’ll go out to happy hours by myself.

A.F.O.R.
A.F.O.R.
6 years ago

A particularly fantastic post and comments thread. I real them all. Thank you Rollo and commentators

Urban Samurai
Urban Samurai
6 years ago

To imply other RP interpretations are Purple implies RP itself is a dogma. While I consider myself RP aware, dogmatic principles will implicitly fail because they can’t adapt to situational, cultural or environmental shifts. New observations, aren’t allowed in, which is how RP awareness started; as an socio-evolutionary course correction by intra-gender learning and sharing. All RP Aware brethen should seek to internalize current proven principles, but not exclude possible new insights. Purple could become the new red, and work.

J1J2
J1J2
6 years ago

I think the reason women have a difficult time admitting what RT calls “the Male Experience” (something like “the Male Mentality” or “the Male Objective” would be better, in my view) is that it is disturbing to them. Humans overall show a tendency to engage “rose-tinting” of their world, but in my observation the tendency is much stronger in women, particularly with regard to themselves. Even women like Mona Charen and Susan Walsh, who pride themselves on having a supposedly dead-on accurate non-feminist view of reality, balk at accepting “the Male Mentality”. Overall the most important rule for women’s interpretation… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

Yeah sure, hopefully the red pill knowledge keeps expanding. Depends on men much more observant than I, like rollo.

But have ya ever sucked the color off a tic tac? (Don’t lie, I know you have, lol)

They are all white underneath, regardless of what color they have sprayed on top.

I believe that is the whole point if this post, I’m sure rollo will correct me if I’m wrong, but the purple pill is blue at it’s core, after you suck the color off so to speak.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Cave Clown:

I have referred to it as a poison pill in a colorful candy shell.

Cynthia
Cynthia
6 years ago

In regards to women having a fundamentally different view of relationships and their role in them, isn’t some of that necessary? If not inevitable? I don’t agree with the feminist perspective that women should be in control of everything men do; it has obviously led to nothing but misery for everyone. At the same time though, there are elements of Red Pill (or perhaps I should say, concepts brought up in discussion of broader Red Pill theory) that would seem to place men in control of everything women do, which would seem to result in what we see in the… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Cave

Just literally laugh at them.

Hell, test the living shit out of them.

Someone, maybe YaReally, says to treat women like they’re your bratty kid sister. I’ve been trying that on InsanityBytes and hilarity is ensuing.

For some reason she likes to hang around my blog. Maybe because Rollo has banned her.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Purple could become the new red, and work.

Like being half plugged in to the Matrix. A half-life of reality/fantasy. Throw in some feel-good pills with no side effects and I’ll climb aboard.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Purple pill:

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . isn’t some of that necessary? If not inevitable?” Certainly, it’s how the biological machine works. Try to change it and you just break everything. “The concept of the Alpha Male, as defined by some, is as morally and socially untenable as the Liberated Woman, isn’t it?” You played a word game. The Alpha Male contrasts with the hypergamous woman. If women are hypergamous, than males must be dominating. It’s how the biological machine works. Opposing forces seeking balance. “I wonder sometimes, reading though things like this, how we achieve the proper balance needed for a functioning… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Throw in some feel-good pills with no side effects and I’ll climb aboard.”

A while ago there was a pretty good made for TV production of Brave New World. It was sponsored by, and I am not making this up . . . Zoloft.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Cynthia, or perhaps it’s Sinthea? In regards to women having a fundamentally different view of relationships and their role in them, isn’t some of that necessary? If not inevitable? Yes. The concept of the Alpha Male, as defined by some, is as morally and socially untenable as the Liberated Woman, isn’t it? Hmm. Let me think about that. Eh…nope. Not even close. Alpha is a condition found in nature, Liberated Woman is an artifact only found in a society with overabundance of resources. Children require committed fathers in their lives, just as they need nurturing mothers, which cannot be achieved… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

ADSgamer

For some reason she likes to hang around my blog. Maybe because Rollo has banned her.

Obviously, she needs tingles. Totally needs teh tinglez.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Hobbes? Locke. Locke? Hobbes. Now that you’ve been introduced, you two go make nice with each other.

Hey, let’s play Calvinball !!

ETA
ETA
6 years ago

I agree with Dark Triad Man. When I first moved to the US a few years ago, I started reading about game and adapt to the culture here. Out of all PUA’s out there, Paul Janka made an impression. Most PUAs were talking about gaming at clubs, while PJ was about cold approach. It made sense to me, we come across more people during our day to day activities than we do at a bar or club. There are endless the girls I’ve seen at store or a coffee shop that I liked but didn’t have the balls to go… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@cunthia

I apologize if commenting violates a female participation policy. I’m not trying to push an agenda. I was just curious!

you can participate, and since at this point all you have is a long list of questions, read all of this site including comments, and we’ll see you in about a month

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@kfg

A while ago there was a pretty good made for TV production of Brave New World. It was sponsored by, and I am not making this up . . . Zoloft.

Holy shit.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Purple Pill reminds me of modern combat. It used to be that traditional combat was an awful, horrifying undertaking. That’s not to say that modern combat isn’t awful and horrifying, but the push to limit collateral damage, and then do a ” Regime Change ” while fostering democracy, well, that stuff only adds up to endless war. When you just bomb and shoot everyone in an area that war has been declared upon, you get faster and better results, not to mention fewer casualties/injuries among your forces. Roadside bombs? Impossible because there are zero roads left. Fuck policing and ”… Read more »

Kiff Play
Kiff Play
6 years ago

Hey whats up Rollo, from Algeria!
Algerians are Redpill by nature Nice guys we give ’em names like “Halab” it’s nice guy shaming even mothers sometimes shame their effiminate sons … lol
So far Algerians are Redpill

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

I think there is a bit too much emphasis on a top down approach to improving inter-sexual problems and too little emphasis on a bottoms up approach. Concentrate on yourself, your partners, your children, your guy friends and your immediate girl friends and don’t bemoan the fate of society. “Make the best use of what is in your power, and take the rest as it happens. Some things are up to us and some things are not up to us. Our opinions are up to us, and our impulses, desires, aversions–in short, whatever is our own doing. Our bodies are… Read more »

Capper
Capper
6 years ago

Roosh really seems to have lost his way in recent times. It’s sad to see. The contrast is great when comparing his latter material with the likes of this blog or Heartiste. He needs to either refocus or move on.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“He needs to either refocus or move on.”

Thing is, that what he thinks he’s doing.

SlatternsRing
SlatternsRing
6 years ago

Purple pill is a cop out. Explains nothing, rationalization for being a pussy. Therefore, purple pill will be popular and wrong.

YaReally
6 years ago

@ETA
“Out of all PUA’s out there, Paul Janka made an impression. Most PUAs were talking about gaming at clubs, while PJ was about cold approach.”

To the dude who was asking for daygame resources in the other thread (can’t remember who), Paul Janka is a key one to check out. He has a lot of “outside the box” tactics that are fuckin smart. Really everyone should check out his getting pussy in NYC eBook/PDF thing, pretty sure it’s free and a short read. Lots of interesting ideas in there.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

FR: I was in a restaurant sitting at a table next to a group of four black ladies in their 30s, 40s. I knew one of them and she showed me a pic of her son. I did my taillight routine on the one sitting nearest to me. Me: I think I see a problem. Her (not getting up but flustered): Oh! Me: Yeah. Uh oh. Her (more flustered, but not saying anything) Me: You got a taillight out. Her: What? Me: Yeah, a taillight is out. Her: What? Me (laughing): You have a taillight out. Her: I do? Me… Read more »

Roused
Roused
6 years ago

So once again Rollo hits on another topic that is well, topical for my transition. After disgusting the post on Purple it sent a bit of a shockwave through me. Self-awareness and SJF’s comments to me the other day about Oneitis started sinking in a bit, I think. For a newbie still in triage one’s mindset can easily drift all over the place. I thing Cave Clown and Greek Freak know what I mean. Realization that one must never settle and take Red pill practices and adopt them to a blue pill is serious shit. Ouch! My eyes! Lol From… Read more »

Roused
Roused
6 years ago

Dang typos….digesting, not disgusting.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Strauss is dumping his first book ” The Game” (after making millions) and hoping to make more millions out of his second book “The Truth”!. He’s saying he was insecure, Sex addict and blaming his mother! , meanwhile Roosh, fucked hundreds of women because, he couldn’t find a woman like his mother (and he’s unhaaapy). All we need is, 20 brave women, to come out and tell the truth about how they feel before and after ovulation ( I know, I know, wearing yoga pants for myself thing) and smash men’s little dream about NAWALT. I would love it if… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Roused, “Got a taste of reality today after I sorta dismissed all,the things I’ve read about how many women are just not rational. Yes, I’ve read that a man should not try to reason with a women. Well it finally hit home today when I was I was forcing her into my Frame I slipped and poof, just like that, slipped into hers by trying to have a rational fact base discussion. Now I’ve come to understand the insanity of trying to do that and I’ve jumped a low hurdle to a bit of reality via experience.” Check this out… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

He’s saying he was insecure, Sex addict and blaming his mother! , meanwhile Roosh, fucked hundreds of women because, he couldn’t find a woman like his mother (and he’s unhaaapy).

If someone had written a parody of Strauss and Roosh, say, two years ago and included stuff like that in it, everyone would have laughed. Because it would have seemed so ridiculous. This is like the plot from some bad rom-com on Lifetime or Oxygen.

Mommy issues. Seriously? Or just what sells now?

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Mommies should do their little boys a big favor by saying :

Look honey, when I ovulate, your dad is disgusting, but after that, he is a wonderful father.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

The last, desperate and overt cry of Ex #1: “You never let me win. You have to let me win.”

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

“For a newbie still in triage one’s mindset can easily drift all over the place. I thing Cave Clown and Greek Freak know what I mean.” I’m not really a newbie, just a slow learner apparently, lol. I unplugged with MMSL and some of Rollo’s work back in 2012. I got caught up in the “fixing the marriage” spiral instead of fixing myself. So I guess I am going through a second unplugging. “Hey man, don’t underestimate your game abilities. As Yareally has stated you don’t have to be the tall hot stud to have success with women.” I like… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

re: arguing

I have a rule. Everyone knows I have this rule because I just flat fucking tell them I have this rule.

I don’t argue.

At all.

Ever.

Problem solved.

What I say goes. I value opinions and alternate points of view, but I will not argue.

Wife, kids, employees, whomever.

I DO NOT ARGUE.

The ONLY point of an argument is to work up some feeeeeeellllllzzzz.

Fuck that. Besides, nothing riles her up like refusing to argue to begin with.

Roused
Roused
6 years ago

Cave, I know you’re feeling down, but you just fucked an ex-gf! : ) Sounds like your a very successful businessman. I am envious of your financial situation. I would trade two inches of my height for your portfolio….lol I’m pretty well fucked until my daughter graduates HS, then have a few more years of alley-moanee. Ramen noodles anyone? The divorce shit can wear one down. I went through absolute hell for a couple of years dealing with all the BS involved, especially manipulation of the kids by their devious mother. Seems like your ex loves messing with your head.… Read more »

Divided Line
6 years ago

I gotta admit, that RSD video is kind of inspiring.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Divided Line

@ETA, YaReally https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DEdnx9rY7DQ https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/11554739/getting-laid-in-nyc-paul-janka @Blaximus “It ain’t easy being a man, harder being an aware man.” http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z8zdGLZgNw @Caveclown “She caught my eye and smiled, so I raised my eyebrows at her. Then I ignored her for awhile. She caught my eye again later and looked me straight in the eye with no expression, so I returned the stare for a long while…then I stuck my tongue out at her. She laughed out loud. Then she had to try to explain to her table why she was laughing. (I couldn’t hear, but it was obvious she was flustered and blushing)” Dude… Read more »

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[…] Rollo Tomassi of The Rational Male has an interesting thought piece up on the future of the manosphere and who gets to control and define the meaning of “The Red Pill” going forward; Tomassi’s article “The Purple Pill.” […]

xabi
xabi
6 years ago

You can’t accept the RP without accepting its implications. A woman who admits to be hipergamous can’t be a “red pill woman” if she doesn’t admit too that as a result she is a person that can’t be trusted. Because that is the hardest part of the RP. Women look for the top men? Ok, just try to be better, it may be not a problem for all of us, etc… But what about women always trying to “upgrade” their relationships? Now it’s a problem for everyone because that means that you can’t trust them. Had I seen a woman… Read more »

Shane
Shane
6 years ago

Have you seeked therapy? For your delusions?

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Cave “Hey man, don’t underestimate your game abilities. As Yareally has stated you don’t have to be the tall hot stud to have success with women.” I like how you go on to say how you are tall, lol. I’ve been short (at 14) and average. Short doesn’t get you the “come here” looks, except from very short girls. Of course, being short keeps you from approaching girls yourself without an invitation, amirite? I was dropping panties on girls back when I was 15 y.o. and 5’4″ tall and taller boys were standing by themselves in a room full… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Cave I was rocking when reading your story about flirting at the party. A fellow member of The Secret Society ™! I had a similar experience flirting yesterday. I was out with Mrs. Gamer at a store looking to buy some trail shoes and the HB6 30ish blonde clerk was chatting me up while eye-fucking me while Mrs. Gamer was over looking at girl shoes. HB6 must have noticed me eye-fucking her first. I held her gaze and reflexively did the amused mastery smile when I realized that she was eye-fucking me. She just kept talking and never blinked.… Read more »

Kaminsky
Kaminsky
6 years ago

“Tucker and Caitlyn sitting in a tree…”

Sisyphus
Sisyphus
6 years ago

Can someone give me a synopsis of Rollo’s RP stance vs. Roosh? I don’t follow Roosh very much and this particular dispute seems important. What is it specifically that Rollo takes issue with Roosh?

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Sisyphus:

Roosh has effectively left RP to create his own branded version of traditionalism: Neo-masculinity. Using RP knowledge trying to achieve BP goals.

And, just coincidentally mind you, a continued revenue stream as he ages out of pick up.

Sisyphus
Sisyphus
6 years ago
Reply to  kfg

What are the BP goals as you see them?

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

“Seems like your ex loves messing with your head. Sorry for thinking you were a newb like me”

No apology necessary.

I’m not divorced. Still in same house and same bed. I put divorce on hold, but I could finish it within 60 days and she knows it.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago
rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  kfg
Kaminsky
Kaminsky
6 years ago

The independence and masculinity of true RP thinking will cede to a female defined caricature of masculinity that men will be ring-nosed right into playing.

‘Tatted up badboys’ are getting stale and it’s time for a new caricature.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Sisy

What are the BP goals as you see them?

“the manosphere needs to be service to women and placing women’s needs first; ”

https://secularpatriarchy.wordpress.com/2015/11/13/maintaining-masculine-control-of-the-red-pill/

Sisyphus
Sisyphus
6 years ago

I’m currently digging out of the BP, beta bux hole that was my marriage. I have great kids and the wife is a SAHM but I let myself go, deferred to her and my sex life shows it. But it’s hard to go from BP to RP overnight without nuking the whole project, which I don’t really want to do right now for financial and kid reasons, so I’m trying to make some changes. The interesting thing is how my eyes have opened to seeing EVERYTHING framed from a woman’s perspective. So I’m trying to re-frame my relationship from a… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ Sisy

First understand yourself, then understand women, then what you need to do will be obvious.

10x10
10x10
6 years ago

The “Red Pill” is a stupid term with an even stupider pop-culture pedigree; the movie “The Matrix”. What really is the red pill? The red pill just refers to biologic realism. In the realm of gender it means the growing collection of neuro-science and psychological data that shows that women have both different brain chemistries (as well as brain architecture) and different mating patterns as a consequence. Evolutionary Psychology is important too but I wouldn’t cite it as the primary foundation of the “red pill”. The “engineering” is more important than the speculated evolutionary reasons which are often steeped in… Read more »

10x10
10x10
6 years ago

@scribblerg Yes, Chateau Heartiste was influenced by the Paleo Right but I wouldn’t say he was influenced by market anarchism. He hates the anarcho libertarians. His influence is more from the racial nationalist side. As for PaleoLibertarianism, you are right, it is anarchist based and market anarchism is going to be considered garbage by most people. But I would say that PaleoConservatism is a natural fit for red pill thought; basic foundation of free markets but with a racial nationalist view of nationhood and a citizenry and some restraints on sexual liberties; ie more restrictive divorce, anti-miscegenation, ban on gay… Read more »

agent p
agent p
6 years ago

10×10, I have never heard anyone around here speak to the idea that racial hereditarianism is a “non-issue” if I may paraphrase you. But nobody around here cares to debate either racial or political issues for the most part as they are a distraction from the central thrust of this forum. If you want to do that go play at CH, you can do that all day long while still bathing in RP thoughts and arguments. In short, it’s a third rail, weather its true or not why go and get this forum put on the SPLC list of “hate… Read more »

Dutchman
Dutchman
6 years ago

@10×10

Not every blog needs to be the same. I read Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, CH, Dalrock and Rollo. All present different perspectives and all of them have certain areas that they largely or entirely avoid discussing. They would be less interesting if they were merely an echo chamber of each other. The division of intellectual labor is a wonderful thing.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“But after that, you still have to deal with what you think all this bio-realism must lead to in politics. Which is why Rollo’s “I don’t do politics here” is silly. IMO, that’s a prime case of “purple pill” as well. Either shit or get off the pot.” Nope. Wrong premise. It is self evident that a top down approach to societal gender conflicts is anachronistic. Rollo is keen to educate, to study, to tear down and build back up with a bottoms up approach. Seems pretty dyed in the Red Pill to me. No need for you to take… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@agent p “I hate to say it but the level of discourse around here is generally pretty high and every time I visit a site like CH where they do discuss issues of race etc, frankly its infantile. Any intelligent points are entirely drowned out by dumb shit being spouted.” Ya that’s why I don’t even really visit CH anymore. PUAs don’t give a fuck about race or politics, half of us are all nerdy asians and indians and shit and most of us have large social circles full of all sorts of different races and backgrounds and ages and… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Rollo “I don’t do race, politics, cultural ideology, economics or religion on TRM, but I will do those topics as they relate and interact with intersexual dynamics. I do this because underneath all of those constructs men and women still want to find ways to fuck and optimize their individual sexual imperatives.” This, I’m not opposed to reading that stuff in general because yay knowledge, it’s just that the way it’s “discussed” and I use that term extremely loosely by the people “discussing” it generally leaves a lot to be desired in terms of “is this how I want to… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

YaReally – two quick questions: 1. Can you say more about calling instead of texting in 2015? Has calling really made a big difference, now that the default is WhatsApp? So you’re basically approaching the standard advice on phone calls from circa 2005? 2. Re Paul Janka (speaking as someone who is trying to get into day game for the first time – I’ve done some indirect day game stuff with situational openers, but not really “gone out to daygame”), I’ve seen a few of his in-field clips and he gets numbers really, really quickly. Typically less than 2 mins.… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@yareally

how can your buddy, who could slay in 05 but not now, not take advantage of having you wing to get your feedback?

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Rollo. “Yes, I understand what HBD implies. Yes, I understand the racial, cultural and economic implications of that diversity and variety and divergent paths humanity has taken and evolved into. And underneath all of that men and women still have to coexist, come together and propagate the species. I don’t do race, politics, cultural ideology, economics or religion on TRM, but I will do those topics as they relate and interact with intersexual dynamics. I do this because underneath all of those constructs men and women still want to find ways to fuck and optimize their individual sexual imperatives.” Do… Read more »

enrique
enrique
6 years ago

“Winston…tell me…what color is the pill I am holding in my fingers?”

The purpose of torture…is torture.

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

YaReally can dream all he wants of being some sexy 50 year old “pLTR”ing some early 20s girl when he doesn’t have a pot to pee in and can’t afford to live in one of the few all white areas, you know the one with the “good schools” and the one that is “low crime”. But the reality is that the SMV may end up reverting to the kind that existed in the 19th century. None of the following existed in the 19th century: – reliable and accessible tools of female contraception – safe, legal and accessible methods of abortion,… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Culum This is gonna get tech-heavy lol: “1. Can you say more about calling instead of texting in 2015? Has calling really made a big difference, now that the default is WhatsApp? So you’re basically approaching the standard advice on phone calls from circa 2005?” I don’t have enough data to say yet. This is a really complicated rabbit hole, I’m finding…I’ll probably eventually do a huge post on it but there has been a big shift where a lot of stuff that stopped working for a while now works again and a lot of stuff that’s worked amazing doesn’t… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

My intent in that essay wasn’t to call Charen to the carpet, but rather to illustrate the point that only women are allowed to write an article that criticizes issues specific to women.

The overall situation is actually even worse. The people allowed to write an article that criticizes issues specific to men are also women (like Kay Hymowitz), or men that do nothing but repeat the talking points of women (Dr. Zimbardo is a good recent example).

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@hoellenhund2

Well said and precise.

I did not want to even comment on the ” race ” thing because it brings zero to the intelligent discourse here, so I bit my tongue ( fingers?).

But it’s correct, our issues transcend race but are more concisely class based.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

YaReally – thank you, that’s really helpful on both fronts. It’s really interesting seeing a bunch of those quick Janka videos one after the other (based on his clothes he seems to have done dozens in a single day) and watch just how he says the same stuff again and again and it works, and it’s interesting how after some Game experience, I can TELL which girls are more into him and which girls are less, even though the words exchanged are virtually the same. I actually just got Julien’s PIMP this week and also downloading right now a bunch… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ 10 x 10

You can’t have gender hereditarianism without racial hereditarianism.

Call me a race skeptic. I question whether “race” has any real meaning. What are the demarcation characteristics for whites, Asians, and blacks? And where do Brazilians and arabs fit in this mess? And what’s an Asian? Someone from Russia? Someone from India? Someone from China?

The idea of nations and boundaries makes sense, but I don’t see “race” as anything but an arbitrary division.

Hence, Rollo’s decision to eschew focusing on races makes perfect sense to me.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

YaReally

” That’s why guys who are like “oh I get iois from the girls in my office, so I should ditch my wife and I’ll just slay poon left and right”, it’s like man, iois are great but in 2015 they don’t automatically convert to lays. ”

I almost spit out my espresso at this one man. My work environment has over 250 women , give or take ( and 100 temp chicks rotating all year long..) and I’ve actually seen these guys right in front of my eyes.

DarkTriadMan (@DarkTriadMan)
Reply to  Blaximus

@Blaximus – very funny, it brings back a memory. Many years ago I was a strapping young lad, afire with the desire to build a career in Silicon Valley. I landed a job in the finance department of an ASIC manufacturer handling a $7 billion audit. There were 160 employees in that division, including myself. There were two men, including myself. Before you exclaim at the estrogen laden pit of abhorrent cyclic cataclsyms it must have been, I’ll simply confirm. It was an estrogen laden pit of abhorrent cyclic cataclysms. My very first day the other guy took me aside… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“The idea of nations and boundaries makes sense, but I don’t see “race” as anything but an arbitrary division.”

Your city is burning down. What do you save first, your city, or your brother?

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ YaReally no you don’t need your jacket you can wear mine I always keep a spare jacket in my truck that a broad can wear if there’s weather. Think I’ll put a hat in there, too. How do you deal with girls leaving purses at the bar? Use the bathroom excuse to bring their purse along? Then you might have their coats to deal with. Do they text their friends telling their friends to take their coats? It seems simpler just to tell the friends that they want to go for a walk alone with you. Then you have… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Culum “It’s really interesting seeing a bunch of those quick Janka videos one after the other (based on his clothes he seems to have done dozens in a single day)” He literally describes how him and a buddy will just start at one end of NYC and spend the day strolling to the other end of it with protein bars for energy and just run their daygame on dozens of girls all day long and come out of it with a bunch of numbers, then hit them up to meet up for drinks etc. It’s a smart/efficient way to do… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@theasdgamer “The idea of nations and boundaries makes sense, but I don’t see “race” as anything but an arbitrary division.” In-field, with game, it basically is just arbitrary nonsense. It really doesn’t matter at all. I’ve gone to clubs where I’m the only white dude, I’ve taken minority buddies to clubs that they’re literally the only minority in there, etc etc and it all just comes down to social skills and game. Like ya there’s some racism here and there, but game and the social proof that game builds pretty much always wins over all that. I have minority buddies… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

Thanks YaReally! Next week is my Hyperfocus Week and I’m gonna be doing some night game with new wings and also seriously trying day game for the first time, so will be putting up some FRs. Point taken about Vegas Immersion – I *definitely* cannot have my face shown doing anything pickup related, much less anything red pill related (all my social circle think we’re all misogynist near-rapist tricksters if the reaction to Julien’s scandal was anything to go by) – I hadn’t thought of that angle. I can handle the finances – just don’t know if I can take… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

In fact, what we are really seeing now is the “left” consolidating their gains across society and they are feeling more and more encouraged so they are increasing their demands and “dropping the mask” of pretending to support classical liberal values. Now they are out, with their fangs. One obvious sign of this is that the darlings of leftist hegemony have already started turning on each other. Apparently feminist pundits have started accusing gay men of being indifferent to feminist complaints, or so I’ve heard, and transsexual activits are accusing cross-dressing men of being opportunistic free-riders of the movement (or… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Yareally
“Oh I’ll have money by 50. I just focused on poon before my career because I’m smart. I have all the time in the world to earn money, esp once my dick stops working lol”

More lol this.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Dicks don’t stop working at 50. If you don’t get your gamematics correct before then though, you may wish they did.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Blaximus

@Rollo Tommassi https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-vXiSrVKID8X2y4pD/Joseph%20W%20South,%20David%20Clare%20&%20Franco%20-%20Practical%20Female%20Psychology%20for%20the%20Practical%20Man_djvu.txt @hoellenhund2 “There’s a high chance your daughter will end up being an underemployed, frumpy single mom who smokes drugs, takes anti-depressants, and in the mating market she’s nothing but a plate of some plate-spinning local alpha thug. Him and other thugs will smoke pot with her, spit and roast her, cum on her face, into her anus, make her swallow, and the thought that this is something terribly degrading won’t even enter her mind, because she likes it. How terrifying would that be for you to imagine?” I grew up with this and if their is one… Read more »

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