Arm Candy

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In Monday’s post comments there was a lot of back and forth, but in the latter pages there was an interesting exchange I thought might make for an interesting weekend discussion. Commenter Kryptokate resurrected an old feminine social convention I recently covered in Validation Hunting & The Jenny Bahn Epiphany. The premise of this convention is that men seek out, and motivate themselves towards highly attractive women because they enjoy the validation or affirmation they receive from their male peers when they’re seen paired with an HB9 high SMV woman on his arm.

The “arm candy” trope is a useful convention for women in that it assuages her bruised ego and competition anxiety by converting a man’s natural desire for a high SMV woman into a perceived insecurity of his (really all men by association).

Kryprokate:

I’m sticking with my assertion that lots of guys love to show off a hot woman to other guys to gain their respect and increase their status. I’m not saying ALL guys want to do this and maybe you don’t, but lots of them do. I don’t want to “show off” a guy either — I’m an introverted homebody and don’t want a guy for anything but to stay home with, talk, have sex, watch movies, etc. But lots of men love to show off to their peers just like lots (probably most) women do.

Johnnycomelately:

Men don’t seek validation through females, men desire females objectively, tits are tits, don’t matter what the guys thinks. You think men watch porn to get validation?

Women desire to be desired, the process is completely about validation.

Problem with female desire to be desired is that it is not a very high bar to pass, I find it humorous that women brag-splain about getting sex from men.

“Heck, give me ten minutes to download an app and I could get a man to have sex with me in 30 minutes. Nothing to write home about.”

And from the Validation Hunting post:

The idea that men “seek validation” for their earned status or to ‘right’ past wrongs to their egos while they were working their way to that status is a social convention. The Feminine Imperative relies on memes and conventions which shift the ownership of women’s personal liabilities for their sexual strategy to men.

When men are blamed for the negative consequences of women’s sexual strategy it helps to blunt the painful truths that Jenny Bahn is (to her credit) honestly confronting in her article at 30 years old and the SMV balance shifts towards enabling men’s capacity to effect their own sexual strategy.

One of the unique aspects of the Feminine Imperative is its fluid ability to craft social conventions that obscure the worst misgivings of women’s dualistic sexual strategy (Hypergamy) and redirect the liability for them squarely on men’s shoulders. I covered many of these conventions in Operative Social Conventions, but chief among them is the utility of shame.

Shaming features in a majority of feminine social conventions used against men because women are conditioned to fear social ostracization as part of their same-sex peer socialization. Little girls punish each other by ‘not-being-friends-with’ another girl in their peer clutch. Using shame is a skill women learn early in life to effect the ends of their developing solipsism.

If men can be shamed into believing that their natural predisposition toward sexually desiring high SMV, physically ideal specimens of women is due to an insecurity with their personal status the effect would be one of leveling the SMP playing field. “Men only want hot women to feed their egos and impress other men” translates into shaming men (the more desirable men who can merit the attention of a high SMV woman) for being insecure with the perceptions of other men.

This carefully removes any negative association with women’s competitiveness for higher tier men, convinces women themselves that “men are just like that” to Buffer against rejection, and puts the burden of that competition on the man in the hopes that he’ll pair with a woman who is of lower SMV for fear of being shamed about his “insecurity” of wanting other men to see his status as higher than it should be.

Thus, the optimized ends of Hypergamy – a woman pairing with an SMV superior man – are better effected by a social convention.

I should also add that this social convention dovetails with another useful convention that relies on a similar dynamic – that of women complaining men sexually objectify women. The simple truth is that it’s part of men’s neurological firmware to see women’s bodies as objects. It’s a well studied fact that when men see an arousing woman’s semi-nude body it triggers the same area of our brains associated with tool use. Sexual objectification is a feature for men, not a bug.

I’ve gotten into this debate on other forums and comment threads, but it bears repeating. My N-count is a bit more than 40 women, and of those women never did I make an approach (or go along with a woman opening me) with a forethought of wanting to impress my male friends. In fact there were some women I got with I’d rather my friends at the time knew nothing about.

The debate usually spins from there about how men just “do it unconsciously”. That’s an easy fallback, but I’d argue that the limbic and visceral incentive of wanting to sexually experience a smoking hot HB9.5 supersedes any subconscious thought of how good a guy will look when he shows her off to his buddies. I’ve been with strippers, a girl who was in Playboy in the 90’s, and several other women most guys just fantasize about – half the reason I stayed with the BPD girlfriend for so long was because she was just so fucking hot – but not once did I have any thought of brandishing any of them to improve my status with my peers. In fact I preferred we just get after it at her or my place than make any conscious effort on my part to show her off.

From 20 Questions:

This’ll sound facetious, but I’ve never thought of sex as being “validating” or ego-affirming. I honestly think a lot of that expectation comes from a feminized conditioning about “how sex should be” for men. I was, and still kind of am, more into sex as experience. It’s always been something fun to enjoy with a woman for me, not some meaningful act of cosmic significance. I’ve had sex with women I loved and women I didn’t, some were memorable, some were…meh. Even in my bluest of blue pill days my ‘validation’ came from other sources, not sex.

So the question for the weekend is this, as a man, do you give any headspace at all to considering how your status might improve with other men if you’re seen with a hot woman?

When you see a guy who’s physically an obvious 1-2 SMV degrees lower than the woman he’s with, do you think any better of him or do you presume the imbalance is due to some other external factor (such as wealth or fame)?

Do you see the method behind the madness of shaming-down apex Men in order to better optimize Hypergamy for “lesser” SMV women?

 

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jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@zdr01dz, re: “And that’s when I realize I’m getting old, hehe.”

Hehe. Subjectively the hottest women to me are vivacious and ultrafeminine 40s. For example the moms of teenage girls, who decided to get a new lease on life when their daughters started dating.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: age

Although any women near my age (e.g. 65) would deem them extremely inappropriate for me, indubitably girls aged about 18 to 28 are most appealing, strictly sexually. And the fact that I’m old is what makes me lump 28 in with 18. But I’d have to be sneaking around with that age, for sure.

But 42 I can and have been seen with and nobody thinks anything of it, even if they did do the mental subtraction. Nobody seriously though Jackie was Too Young for Ari at age 39.

fakeemail
fakeemail
7 years ago

Walking with a fattie is a DEEPLY embarassing feeling. Walking with a blondie feels great. Men DO care about status; not just sex.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

I think what the world needs now is a personalized list of famousish women from each man that they would consider arm candy. But then we need a definition. I offer this one: A woman is arm candy for me when
1) She is obviously my woman, not anyone else’s. I insist.
2) There is the obvious potential for and/or history of risque PDA between us. I’m clearly going to be getting some later if not sooner.
3) She is obviously proud of being seen with me. Yes, I said this right.
4) She does not lower my SMV.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

The grand consensus by virtually all the men is that women’s primary potential for affecting the men’s status is *negative*.

Mr T.
Mr T.
7 years ago

@sun,
Thanks.
Watch the Norwegian film Fatso.

And for you all watch one of my all time favorite film :The last picture show.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

Rushdie has also been dating Pia Glenn, Michelle Barish, and Missy Brody since Padma.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: negative status Keeping in mind my definition of SMV (Skittle neutrality), it’s easy to see why women think a non-hot guy is trying to elevate his status with a hot date: since status is hot to her then she thinks hot is status. She thinks he’s buying her status with his bux, whereas he knows he’s buying her hotness with the status that bux give him. Hence a hot guy could have used excess status to get a non-hot gal, if he had any. So if he’s with a non-hot gal then it must mean he has a status… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

“could have used excess status to get a hot gal” ,obviously

Mr T.
Mr T.
7 years ago

Poor Salman, he spent his entire time with her trying to believe her when she told him she REALLY orgazimed with him and she found him sexy!.

After all isn’t that the price a beautiful woman pay for a status?.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ Cupkate

women want to have sex with built, physically dominant goodlooking guys

Sure, women wanted to sex up Henry Kissinger and Mick Jagger and Ringo Starr because they are such hunks. Do you even begin to realize how absurd your thoughts are?

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ jf12

I just spanked Cupkate again for you, if you care. She won’t be sitting down for a week.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ Mr. T

she told him she REALLY orgazimed with him and she found him sexy!.

If she needs foreplay to get lubed up, she don’ lurv yer.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

1- …as a man, do you give any headspace at all to considering how your status might improve with other men if you’re seen with a hot woman? Nope, but I will consider behavior regardless of appearance.   2- When you see a guy who’s physically an obvious 1-2 SMV degrees lower than the woman he’s with, do you think any better of him or do you presume the imbalance is due to some other external factor (such as wealth or fame)? Depends on context. If the context is a high society or professional event then I presume he’s using… Read more »

zdr01dz
7 years ago

When you see a guy who’s physically an obvious 1-2 SMV degrees lower than the woman he’s with, do you think any better of him or do you presume the imbalance is due to some other external factor (such as wealth or fame)? Upon deeper reflection I’m not sure if I agree with the assumptions behind that question. If a man is physically a 5 and he marries a woman who is physically a 5 that’s not balance, that’s evidence of imbalance. Men and women bring different assets to the bargaining table. Something in that 5/5 relationship is jacked. The… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

If “arm candy” implies that the man is necessarily showing her in public with him for *some* purpose, then there are four cases. 1) High status guy with hot girl. If it’s not his main squeeze then he’s probably just using her for drumming up more girls, i.e. for preselection. 2) High status guy with unhot girl. Remember, he’s *necessarily* showng her off for some reason. These reasons are 2A) He likes her and she’s fun. Charles and Camilla. 2B) Using her some other way e.g. politcs, money. 3) Low status guy with hot girl. This is the case that… Read more »

zdr01dz
7 years ago

And another thing on beauty.
http://www2.islandpacket.com/ip_files/images/dr_life_3.img_assist_custom.jpg

No doubt this old geezer had his skin Photoshopped. But Dr. Life is a real guy, google him. Healthy men can keep their game together right into old age. Girls can’t do this. There is no such thing as an attractive 70 year old woman. A 5/5 relationship is out of balance simply because her beauty has an expiration date. His doesn’t have to.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@zdr01dz Your career is a neutral trait. It isn’t a positive or a negative. It can’t be a positive. It can be a negative. If a woman is a nurse at a hospital (not a private practice), I disqualify her. Why? The hours. The hours are set up in such a way that she’ll never have time for me. Ditto for lawyers with stupidly long hours. Again for doctors that work on call or long hours. Or once again for IT production support roles. Basically any career where your time and attention for me will be less is a negative… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

I’d say career is negative overall. Having a job is a necessity in this day and age but having a career demands an equalist mindset. More importantly a woman’s career is in competition with a man’s such that he is destined to lose because: 1. Her career is more lucrative earning life choices favor her career 2. She gives up, orompromises her career for family creating a martyr and setting him up for accusation of limiting her deems and aspirations 3. He gives up his career for family and is reduced to role of domestic servitude becoming the butler who… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
7 years ago

Been a lot a post, but zdroidz, I did say if Tiger Woods got with any really good looking gold diggers. Your fat girl example doesn’t really disprove anything. Not sure if you’re using that as an example of an alpha getting with somebody dreadful. If a wealthy got with somebody like that, it doesn’t mean an alpha getting with her. Could be a wealthy beta or omega as they say. Because if they’re wealthy, they could still get easy sex. They’d just have to pay more. So maybe it’s because they’re cheap and not because there’s nothing better available.… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

http://veronicapartridge.com/why-i-chose-to-no-longer-wear-leggings/
Mrs. Partridge chose to no longer wear yoga pants in public so that other men would not see as much of her genitals as they were getting accustomed to seeing. Her husband agreed that when women sexually display themselves for men to see, it’s hard for you not to look, and it’s hard when you do look.

This is good albeit incomplete. I’m not getting a strong odor of repentance for her having wanted men to see her genitals earlier. Nor I am seeing anything that corresponds to her covering herself specifically to please her husband.

Mr T.
Mr T.
7 years ago

1, A good looking high status guy would never stay with any women.(and women know that) 2, Any women from 1to10 will only go after a Beta high status man.(and most men are clueless) Here is the reality: Men or women can not be together for ever. We men want to fuck any woman. Women want to fuck for so many reasons. The men who have a severe state of inferiority would want a beautiful women on their arm and that beautiful woman know that. In most cases a HB 8 or 10 with a man like Salman never last,… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

Interesting comments. Earlier, someone mentioned that to women, men are tools to obtain status, while to men women are the trophies of status already obtained. I agree with that 100%. But then that commenter went on to say that it is the achievement that men want more so than the trophy. That’s where I disagree. As Scarface said, for men the perspective is that first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women. But it is the women that men want, not the money or power. That’s why once most men get the woman… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Jeremy, re: “Men want women. Women want power.” True. An interesting although aberrant aspect is the SMV imbalance in the most typical teacher sex scandals. Usually the females are better looking than they “need” to be. When it’s the man teacher with a girl student, most typically she’s at least relatively cute and high achieving. Most typically he is *not*, and he simply abused his little bit of power over her to mess with her head and get into her panties. He couldn’t have gotten a “better” girl. In contrast, when it’s the woman teacher with a male student, most… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

@ All – I tangled with the hamster and got carried away last thread. Apologies to all for taking it a bit too far. As an explanation – not an excuse – it was due to so clearly seeing the SMP play out around me over the past few weeks. Like I said, I’ve been dropping through yet another trap door in my Red Pill journey and a new level of clarity has accompanied it, along with a new level of horror. I so clearly see women prancing around in their non-stop beauty contest designed to excite men, and it… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Glenn, re: “I think women are more aware of this than I used to believe.”

Yes.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

This tea summit was strictly for photo ops.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/25/obama-warm-welcome-india-narendra-modi

I suppose that apex men may tend to engage in feminine strategies for relationships.

zdr01dz
7 years ago

@ Sun Wukong
Basically any career where your time and attention for me will be less is a negative to a man. If he doesn’t know it up front, he will pretty soon.

Now that I think about it you’re right. A woman’s career isn’t neutral, it’s possibly a negative. My wife was a preschool teacher and made about $30k per year. Last year I had her quit to stay home, take care of the house/kids/meals and do my paperwork. I don’t want her working. It’s a huge nuisance.

Karl
Karl
7 years ago

BoJangles >> After having slept with more than my share of women, I tend to look more for the women who I think will blow my mind in bed

After sleeping with more than my share of women, I tend to look for ones who are low-maintenance

zdr01dz
7 years ago

@ Water Cannon Boy Some of, if not all of Tiger’s waitress hookups no doubt were out of convenience. Essentially you’re correct. It’s about convenience. Bill Clinton is an SMV10*. The * denotes special powers that place him in the top 100 men on Earth. And yet he shot his load into an HB3. He probably shot his load into a string of HB3s spanning decades. Finding hot HB10s DTF is not easy or convenient. There aren’t many. That’s why Tiger slept with fairly average looking women. That’s why chubby HB4 housewives have instant access to the most powerful men… Read more »

Mr T.
Mr T.
7 years ago

@Glenn “Women can reason quite readily when they want to, I see it at work all the time and in many other things. They choose to be unreasonable about all this because the payoff is so ridiculously high”.
I agree.

sgtted
7 years ago

“I want the best looking furniture guy for my living room”

The commodification of men by women is a routine part of the FI. The bitching about being seen as “sex objects” by men is a distraction meant to cover up that routine commodification of males by society and to maintain their special snowflake status afforded them under the Patriarchy.

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

@Observer I can’t help but notice that over the last couple of months, I’ve been seeing a lot more bitterness from Rollo. I like some of your posts where you argue commentators but often times you don’t take the whole message from the opposition. I’m not ignoring your points, and I don’t think others should ignore them either. However, I’m going to try to make a point that may explain and perhaps justify the rather rough treatment women who comment here receive. I have yet to see a woman comment on Rollo’s blog with the full intent of listening to… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

@Jeremy Earlier, someone mentioned that to women, men are tools to obtain status, while to men women are the trophies of status already obtained. I agree with that 100%. But then that commenter went on to say that it is the achievement that men want more so than the trophy. That’s where I disagree. That was me. By achievement, I did not mean to imply that female attention was not an achievement, nor undesired. What I meant was that accomplishing an “alpha” status wherein women simply flock to you is the achievement, and marrying an HB9 who’s totally into you… Read more »

redlight
redlight
7 years ago

“The commodification of men by women is a routine part of the FI”

This weekend my wife has told me “I love you” several times. Yesterday, as we were preparing for guests, she told me “I love our dinning table”, and “I love our new couches”. I have a woman’s true love ™.

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

As a follow up to my post about women commenters…

*IF* women truly wanted to contribute to the discussion here and learn in the process without attention whoring or attempting to be some “supergirl” of “equalism”… they’d post here pretending to be men.

The fact that they out themselves as women in a male space where there is no requirement to demonstrate what sex you are, to me, says everything about their intentions.. which is to be a woman in a space full of men.

Not Born This Morning
7 years ago

Rollo, You are excellent at unraveling all this. Responding to your questions… “So the question for the weekend is this, as a man, do you give any headspace at all to considering how your status might improve with other men if you’re seen with a hot woman? When you see a guy who’s physically an obvious 1-2 SMV degrees lower than the woman he’s with, do you think any better of him or do you presume the imbalance is due to some other external factor (such as wealth or fame)? Do you see the method behind the madness of shaming-down… Read more »

FemiGQ
FemiGQ
7 years ago

Great read My man…

ManPersonNumber6762
ManPersonNumber6762
7 years ago

“The commodification of men by women is a routine part of the FI” Women commodify men much more than men commodify women. Do men give condescending nicknames for men when talking among their girlfriends? Nope. Women do this shit all of the time. Women, not men, are much more superficial than men when it comes to appearances in dating in reality. Young women base their appeal for men based on the mans’ appearance, and when they get older, their wallet, utility or status. Women make compromises in relationships that men would never make – women will marry men that they… Read more »

redlight
redlight
7 years ago
Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

Hmmm. Why is everyone getting so pissed at Kate? She seems to be sharing honestly and thogufully. And of course, she has to equalize male and female mating strategies – the whole world tells her it’s so. I for one appreciate her honesty. On celebrities mate choices – The very high value alpha males I know live in a different reality than most men in the sense that pussy isn’t scarce for them. One of my best friends is very successful, lives single in NYC, is ver good looking and has an N of at least 250. Last time I… Read more »

Steve H
Steve H
7 years ago

“men would seek post wall women until they are in position to seek young and hot. An equalist approach would eliminate “idealistic” love, and replace it with status and external validation. Do women realize what happens when men make decision without any influence of sentiment?” Exactly. If you’re a late bloomer like me, this describes your experience to a T. You just bang whoever until you can be more selective than any other dude you know. “No I think he bought his way into her or she’s got low self-esteem and is “settling”….If this means trying to AMOG a guy… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@zdr01dz, re: “Their self esteem is so off that charts that if we don’t show interest they assume we’re gay. ”

Now you’ve done it. You’ve stated the problem so clearly that the solution is evident. Women’s entire problem with nice guys, with polite guys, with nonviolent nonthugs, with Christian study group LJBFs, is that the women are reacting as if these men were gay. The only thing women respond to properly is sexualization.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: Clinton

What’s astonishing to me is how unattractive were the women he pursued to treat roughly. He could easily have had his choice of two 8s bouncing together in his expensive hotel bed with him all night, but he instead preferred to bite and choke an ugly girl in a closet for a few minutes.

All the time.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

Vox Day advises “Be the dragon.”

Your arm candy can become your barbecue.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@zdr01dz Their self esteem is so off that charts that if we don’t show interest they assume we’re gay. If we’re being fair, you’d have to be gay to not want to fuck Kidman in her prime. When it gets really lol-worthy is when some HB4 or less out on the street or hanging out with your friends calls you guy for not wanting to fuck her. Of course it’s really her just rationalizing in the way the FI has taught her: “The problem isn’t me! I’m a Strong Independent Woman and that’s exactly what every man wants! The problem… Read more »

Wolf
7 years ago

The look on that dude’s face is priceless. The perfect devil-may-care grin, laser-focus on the camera, giant jew-nose proclaiming his strength to the world. Clearly this is one sassy Semite with some solid inner game to back up his outward mousy confidence.

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

@jf12 – So, to be bound by your own reasoning, you have to wear a zipper bangle to your next prayer meeting with the age-appropriate gals to reset the frame so you they don’t treat you like you are gay. I dare you to show up in some skinny legged black jeans with a spider or perhaps a lizard dangling from your zipper. Say nothing about it. I dare you. This could be a new craze for men, we could tie them lie fishing flies, giggling now. Just got back from gym, regrooving that rhythm I had going for a… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

I ran into Nicole Kidman at Chelsea Piers gym, at the desk. I was struck dumb because she is so tall, she’s 5’11” and I don’t approach women I’m 3 inches shorter than, they just aren’t interested. She’s been on my “list” for a long time but I didn’t know how tall she was, it put me off my game otherwise I would have tried. Of course, Cruise was short but he’s also Tom Cruise…She had hit the wall already but it was pre-bad cosmetic surgery, so she still looked soft and dreamy to me. Truly, I just didn’t say… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

@jf12 – Bill Clinton had 8 regular plates spinning, two of whom were prostitutes and one who worked out of an apt known to sell crack, in Little Rock when he announced he was running for POTUS. He did crack and coke and banged everything he could get his hands on while Governor of Arkansas. Can you imagine what he did as POTUS? Fyi, he had a 10 plate flying around on his campaign plane who was given the cover of being on staff as an low level admin of for the entire campaign, and then she showed up on… Read more »

redpillgirlnotes
7 years ago

@ Jeremy I am not saying your concerns about women commenters are not valid and I hope I have neither spouted fi trope not attention mongered, and if you feel so my apologies. I visit and post here and at other manosphere sites because I am very interested in these topics. When I stumbled across the red pill sites, I was seeking answers about how men actually think. And I have learned so, so, so much about men, how they see the world, their thoughts on women and relationships, etc. following these blogs has helped me improve in my personal… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Glenn, re: crotch bangles

I promise if I were either single or secular I definitely would, knowing what I know now. Maybe yoga pants too.

re: Clinton

I’ll have to take your word on the dimes. I’ve heard he left nice arm candy at the table to go do a 2 in the kitchen, though.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Bloom, re: “And maybe you were not talking about me.” For certain not you. @Jeremy, re: “they’d post here pretending to be men.” I’ve got a confession to make. … This opens up an interesting can of worms about gendered writing. I’ve got an online tool bookmarked on another computer, courtesy of MarcusD (from Dalrock’s), that was trained to discriminate male writing from female writing. And it does as good a job as that job can be done automatedly, style vs content. But I didn’t rank very male on it, maybe because of my abnormally low psychopathy, and I’m sure… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

@jf12 – Can’t divulge my source, but it’s impeccable and someone who has firsthand knowledge of him. I still think you are missing something, surprisingly. Guys like Clinton exist in an utterly different economy of sex. Consider the example you give of Clinton leaving a hottie at a table at a nice place/function and fucking a waitress in the kitchen. He probably would have to do a lot of work to get his arm candy to blow him spontaneously. He couldn’t just take her by the arm and lead her to the Men’s room or elsewhere to “do him” right… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

Wow, watching that video… The woman who tried to have her husband killed… At one point, near the end, in some desperation she cries and says “I love you.”

And I’ll be damned if I didn’t believe that she believed herself when she was saying that. He still had ‘status’ and ‘resources’ that she ‘loved’ him for, so she was perhaps actually feeling love as women feel it… How fucked up is that?

redpillgirlnotes
7 years ago

As a woman, it surprises me more women don’t call Hilary out on tolerating bill’s behavior or doing anything about it. Doesn’t she care about women if he is indeed predatory? Or her own dignity? How does that show her leadership potential, giving all that a pass? I can’t believe anyone takes her serious as a candidate and yet… Anyway, I don’t get it. Off topic I know, sorry!

TAnon
TAnon
7 years ago

>do you give any headspace at all to considering how your status might improve with other men if you’re seen with a hot woman? Not really. The first thing I think about when I see a hot woman is sex. If I think about it, I wouldn’t like being seen with a fat girl but that thought only came up because we’re discussing the subject of status with other men based on your woman. Otherwise I just feel disgust towards a fat girl. >When you see a guy who’s physically an obvious 1-2 SMV degrees lower than the woman he’s… Read more »

redpillgirlnotes
7 years ago

@ rollo that is a very flattering compliment to your wife! 🙂 she sounds awesome. Maybe you have posted on that topic or maybe it’s too personal but I would be interested to hear what she’s doing right or if you prefer a more general angle, a male take on keeping a husband happy!

kobayashii1681
7 years ago

@Redlight – ”

“The commodification of men by women is a routine part of the FI”

This weekend my wife has told me “I love you” several times. Yesterday, as we were preparing for guests, she told me “I love our dinning table”, and “I love our new couches”. I have a woman’s true love ™.”

Haha! That moment when it all becomes clear…

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@Jeremy Recently I nuked and dropped a BPD plate I’d been spinning for shit test practice. This is, BTW, NOT something I recommend most guys do. I literally did it as a personal frame test from the outset, and it requires holding your goal in mind at all times. BPD chicks shit test at a rate that exceeds all reasonable expectation. When I confronted her directly about emotionally manipulative behavior I had documentation of, her reaction was a blanket denial of objective reality. In her voice you could hear genuine conviction; she believed she’d done nothing wrong to warrant my… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

@redpillgirlnotes Jeremy I am not saying your concerns about women commenters are not valid and I hope I have neither spouted fi trope not attention mongered, and if you feel so my apologies. There is no apology necessary, not even from the ones that annoy me. People follow their nature as they feel they must. That is kind of the core problem with women in male spaces. They pretend like their presence has no impact, even to themselves they pretend this. They wield the “logic” of equalism and convince men that “little old me” couldn’t possibly affect all those men… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

@jeremy and redpillnotes – Just want to chime in on women commenting here. Two things seem to need to be understood. One – this is a male space where male rules of civility and exchange prevail. Accordingly, we aren’t primarily worried about hurting people’s feelings or not, but rather are trying to figure things out and have a conversation that pursues truth and insights. So, if you aren’t doing that, consider what your purpose is here. And if it’s not to be part of that, then you will very likely be made to feel unwelcome by some people. As well,… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

My only disagreement with female commenters here is how arguing with a woman whose mind won’t change sometimes seems to derail any productive discussion amongst us. That’s pretty much the attention whore MO, and having watched women repeatedly disrupt every male space I’ve been in on the Internet with it, it’s gotten really fucking old.

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

@jf12

re: Clinton

I’ll have to take your word on the dimes. I’ve heard he left nice arm candy at the table to go do a 2 in the kitchen, though.

lol, like I said, he’s a dog. Not that I couldn’t be pals with the guy, far from it. I think he’d be awesome to hang out with… but dear god… lol

Softek
Softek
7 years ago

@ Rollo For future reference, keep this quote by Ray Peat on hand. If only for your own amusement. From his article, “Membranes, plasma membranes, and surfaces”: http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/membranes.shtml “Twice, editors have printed my articles…with adjoining “rebuttals,” but I was disappointed that all of my points were ignored, as if you could rebut an argument by just saying that you emphatically disagree with it. I think it is evident that those people don’t know what would be involved in refuting an argument. They are annoyed that I have bothered them with some evidence, but not sufficiently annoyed to cause them to… Read more »

redpillgirlnotes
7 years ago

@ Jeremy and Glenn, I appreciate the additional explanation. I used to pretty much only follow and post at j4g (as bloom, redpillgirl is a blog I started later). I think that blog was intended to be a male/female space, although no bs-ery from the women folk would go wo being called out, and rightly so. I don’t expect anyone to make their posts there, or here, “female friendly” for my sake. Please don’t. And if this space is more male locker room than mixed company you are right, I don’t belong here and my presence would naturally cause a… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ fakeemail Walking with a blondie feels great. Men DO care about status; not just sex. Meh, I dance with beautiful women alla time. Sometimes I notice men and women staring at me admiringly. Meh. IDGAF. I exchanged butt swats with an 8 who is a 25 yo friend with flirting benefits. Another woman who is a 28 yo 7 invited me to sit and chat with her. I expressed implied disinterest in the 7 after she volunteered that she was looking for a relationship with a hawt guy. She left with a “I’ll be right back.” I also went… Read more »

eon
eon
7 years ago

“I always suspect the hotter partner of an imbalanced couple has sacrificed hotter sex for, security, financial, gain, etc. This is true regardless of which gender partner is hotter. A man who settles for a woman of 1 to 2 SMV points below his SMV is making this sacrifice. He is actually exercising a form of mate guarding.” This is not necessarily true, because SMV =/= MMV, and “security, financial, gain, etc.” implies some type of long-term relationship. A woman who is “loyal, pleasant, demure, feminine, cheerful, obedient, supportive …” will have an MMV that is higher than her SMV… Read more »

zdr01dz
7 years ago

<@ Rollo Tomassi I’m happy to say that decision worked out, even after 18+ years in the liquor and gaming industry and having more than enough opportunity (not to mention propositions) to have easily cheated and moved on. While I’ve had many opportunities, Mrs. Tomassi has never given me a reason to be unfaithful. That suggests that your wife is faithful and honestly that means a lot. Your wife is a pretty blonde. She could fuck a different Alpha male hedge fund manager every night of the week. But instead she goes to sleep next to you. However women experience… Read more »

StringsofCoins
7 years ago

@jf, Peacocked the crotch bangle yesterday for a plate. Genius here. She never said anything but drawing the attention here with a Pokemon hanging from my zipper.. I kept catching her gaze where I wanted it. Genius. If men are reading this and have some game they can get a leg up without ever saying a word. I’ll run some day game using something else later. This plate loves that Pokemon crap. She even played with the bangle. God this crap is absurd. So much red pill truth to always absorb. Women so want you to sexualize everything. As quickly… Read more »

redpillgirlnotes
7 years ago

@ son I would add the woman’s natural role is to help support the man so he can take care of them both and to have and care for children. I think part of the problem today is women expect provision/protection but w/o the supporting/helping in return and putting her man and family’s needs top of list. Women today want to be provided/protected and then also to be able to focus on her own needs and wants as her primary. Take-take does not work. Take-give (each partner both giving and taking) is a balanced system. I largely see women not… Read more »

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
7 years ago

“That’s why supposedly Red Pill chicks can claim that they don’t dress up when they are out and about in every day life to excite male attraction.” A woman’s resource IS her sexuality, a man’s resource is his provisioning. Under monogamy culture a woman gave ALL her sexuality to one man and withdrew her sexuality from other men. A woman’s sexuality was removed from the purview of other men and safeguarded for her husband. Her attire reflected this, Islamic women ‘hide’ their hair from strangers but reveal it to their husbands, that’s the monogamy contract. Under serial polygyny culture women… Read more »

StringsofCoins
7 years ago

@redpillgirlnote, After being forced into a red pill awareness 15 months ago I agree with so much of what you say. Many men no longer know how to be men. And many women no longer know how to be women. Not that there is anything wrong with being a man nor a woman. I just end up with the conclusion that feminists want women to be men and somehow expect women to be attracted to female traits. Hence why I lend credence to the idea that the leaders who dominate the feminist movement are probably high T women who wish… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

“Hence why I lend credence to the idea that the leaders who dominate the feminist movement are probably high T women who wish they were men.”

And/Or lesbians who want access to younger, higher SMV women. Which would encourage “experimentation” and blurs the lines between the difference in masculine vs. feminine dominant behaviors, while at the same time suppressing masculine behavior generally.

redpillgirlnotes
7 years ago

Oops data autocorrect, that was @ eon and invest (not eat).

redpillgirlnotes
7 years ago

@ bp now there’s a chilling, and not probably far off, thought! :/ yikes!

zdr01dz
7 years ago

@ redpillgirlnotes
Maybe you have posted on that topic or maybe it’s too personal but I would be interested to hear what she’s doing right or if you prefer a more general angle, a male take on keeping a husband happy!

1) Put out
2) Look good – keep your hair long and your body-fat around 20%
3) Be a nice person

It’s exactly that simple. He will never leave you. If for some reason he does leave or cheat he’s a psycho. You’re better off without him.

zdr01dz
7 years ago

@ jf12 Now you’ve done it. You’ve stated the problem so clearly that the solution is evident. Women’s entire problem with nice guys, with polite guys, with nonviolent nonthugs, with Christian study group LJBFs, is that the women are reacting as if these men were gay. The only thing women respond to properly is sexualization. Hehehe, yep. One of my buddies is an IT nerd and I set him up with an HB6 girl that I worked with. By the end of the second date he still hadn’t kissed her because he was so shy. That was the kiss of… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

3) Be a nice person

This above all else where #s 1 and 2 flow from #3.

You serve his interests because provides for and protects you. His interests are not served by nagging and criticism, and yours won’t be either.

zdr01dz
7 years ago

@ Sun Wukong When it gets really lol-worthy is when some HB4 or less out on the street or hanging out with your friends calls you guy for not wanting to fuck her. Yep. If a chick is HB3 or higher she thinks that her shit doesn’t stink. It simply doesn’t compute that men won’t find her attractive enough for sex. Exhibit A) He’s Just Not That Into You! After a magical first date, Susan was so sure that she would hear from Stephen again that she even boasted to friends that she’d met “the one.” Two agonizing weeks later,… Read more »

Softek
Softek
7 years ago

@ zdro1dz
re: He’s just not that into you

LOL.

All I’ve got to say:

StringsofCoins
7 years ago

@zdroi1dz,

“Maybe you’re fat? Did you consider that?”

LOL! On they never consider that! At least until one of their group loses 100 pounds and is hit on relentlessly. Then they start talking about getting their stomachs stapled.

Oh women. So insane.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@redpillgirl, re: “am a woman and if AWALT well then I am too, even if I don’t want or mean to be. I have the “girl” operating system”

Yes, exactly, and this is what makes you different from all the others: knowing you are like all the others, and being willing to do something about it.

Although I hear the dual boot options are gaining popularity with other girls these days.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@StringsofCoins, a Pokemon was a good first choice, especially if personalized to her preference. I’m leaning away from the Lucky13 or other lures, even without the treble hooks, and more towards something, I dunno, chick magnety. I’ve literally never worn jewelry of any kind, so I’d have to guess based on what 1970’s disco dudes might have worn as pendants on necklaces. A big star, a Nazi cross, a chuck of crystal (or maybe turqoise? chime in gals, we’re trying to invent a trend), a brass ring (“try to grab it”), an old skeleton key, two little ivory tusks (“you… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Johnnycomelately, re: “a sexual display is a sexual display no matter how it is dressed up.”

Yes, of course it is. It is institutionalized torture of unlucky males. Remember, what women enjoy most about hypergamy is getting to turn down good-enough men.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

A little shaman bag, no tea bag no politics, something digital – flashing led? Ah! With radar homing signal sound effects, it flashes faster when you point your crotch at the one you plan to love. Boop … boop …boop boop boopboopboopboop …Girls will say “Ugh! That’s a terrible idea! Never do that!”, so it probably works.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@StringsofCoins

At least until one of their group loses 100 pounds and is hit on relentlessly. Then they start talking about getting their stomachs stapled.

No way, the rest of her group just sits around complaining about how men only like her because they view her as a sex object. Commerce hamstring to justify not losing a pound because men should like them for their personalities.

Nevermind that I we can’t put our dicks in their victim mentalities.

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

@ jf12 – dangly things

And that’s why the Scots where sporrans with their plaids and kilts. Sadly my ancestry doesn’t justify such fashions. Maybe I can hang a pretzel when wearing lederhosen.

redpillgirlnotes
7 years ago

@ jf12 I am not sure about this zipper thing, I must have missed the backstory. Is it a new fad? But I think I get the idea. Of those you suggested, brass ring was the bait that jumped out to me. But you have several great zingers there! (Look away from the zipper! Lol)

Badpainter
Badpainter
7 years ago

Dangly things continued.

For those of us out west it might be an opportunity to repurpose the fashion abomination known as the bolo tie.

Perhaps cod pieces will make a comeback. Maybe just sewing gaudy, shiny buttons to flies of our trousers would do the trick.

eon
eon
7 years ago

redpillgirlnotes, “I would add that woman’s natural role is to help support the man so he can take care of them both and to have and care for children.” I think that you are absolutely right, and that any honest disagreement arises from confusion about the word “support”, which tends to be used to mean many different things. In some of my previous comments I have mentioned complementarity, which is essentially a natural interdependence, in which capacities satisfy needs, and strengths compensate for weaknesses. However, men and women have different capabilities, and when they choose / desire to support each… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@bp

“No thanks, coach. The ladies like it when I wear my cup on the outside and plated with chrome.”

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

@ Stringofcoins – Please, oh please post a pic of the PokeMon thing hanging from your zipper. @ eon & redpillgirl – The operative question when evaluating who is screwing who in the Blue Pill, FI informed world is to ask the age old question: “Qui bene” – who benefits? Women, in spades. So pardon me if I don’t let women off the hook for this shit. I was that way for a while in my early RP journey – a good year of just saying “hey, we have all been operating with a bad script” after being initially pissed… Read more »

Allons_Gatz
Allons_Gatz
7 years ago

Just a few minutes before reading this post I messaged a friend suggesting I bring a hottie I’m currently banging to a gathering where I know several of our friends will be. I did this consciously aware of the fact I’d be showing her off. I don’t think my ego is low or I’m low on confidence. In fact I’m quite confident generally and am banging two other hotties on the side (not as hot as the one I’m inviting). I think this has mostly to do with me perceiving her as a trophy, demonstrating to the others that Game… Read more »

zdr01dz
7 years ago

@ Softek
WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE
Haha! Holy crap is that a real frame from anime?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@glenn My Red Pill thinking has come with a heavy dose of Machiavellian thinking and understanding of people and their interactions. If you really want to understand what women are up to, do the first thing you must do to form a strategy in war or negotiation: find their true objective. From there you can derive almost all their future actions. Women aren’t solipsistic as much as they’re cut throat. If you serve their current objective, you’re part of their life. The moment you don’t, you’re not. It’s pragmatic, efficient, and ruthless particularly when dealing with men. It isn’t personal… Read more »

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