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In Monday’s post comments there was a lot of back and forth, but in the latter pages there was an interesting exchange I thought might make for an interesting weekend discussion. Commenter Kryptokate resurrected an old feminine social convention I recently covered in Validation Hunting & The Jenny Bahn Epiphany. The premise of this convention is that men seek out, and motivate themselves towards highly attractive women because they enjoy the validation or affirmation they receive from their male peers when they’re seen paired with an HB9 high SMV woman on his arm.

The “arm candy” trope is a useful convention for women in that it assuages her bruised ego and competition anxiety by converting a man’s natural desire for a high SMV woman into a perceived insecurity of his (really all men by association).

Kryprokate:

I’m sticking with my assertion that lots of guys love to show off a hot woman to other guys to gain their respect and increase their status. I’m not saying ALL guys want to do this and maybe you don’t, but lots of them do. I don’t want to “show off” a guy either — I’m an introverted homebody and don’t want a guy for anything but to stay home with, talk, have sex, watch movies, etc. But lots of men love to show off to their peers just like lots (probably most) women do.

Johnnycomelately:

Men don’t seek validation through females, men desire females objectively, tits are tits, don’t matter what the guys thinks. You think men watch porn to get validation?

Women desire to be desired, the process is completely about validation.

Problem with female desire to be desired is that it is not a very high bar to pass, I find it humorous that women brag-splain about getting sex from men.

“Heck, give me ten minutes to download an app and I could get a man to have sex with me in 30 minutes. Nothing to write home about.”

And from the Validation Hunting post:

The idea that men “seek validation” for their earned status or to ‘right’ past wrongs to their egos while they were working their way to that status is a social convention. The Feminine Imperative relies on memes and conventions which shift the ownership of women’s personal liabilities for their sexual strategy to men.

When men are blamed for the negative consequences of women’s sexual strategy it helps to blunt the painful truths that Jenny Bahn is (to her credit) honestly confronting in her article at 30 years old and the SMV balance shifts towards enabling men’s capacity to effect their own sexual strategy.

One of the unique aspects of the Feminine Imperative is its fluid ability to craft social conventions that obscure the worst misgivings of women’s dualistic sexual strategy (Hypergamy) and redirect the liability for them squarely on men’s shoulders. I covered many of these conventions in Operative Social Conventions, but chief among them is the utility of shame.

Shaming features in a majority of feminine social conventions used against men because women are conditioned to fear social ostracization as part of their same-sex peer socialization. Little girls punish each other by ‘not-being-friends-with’ another girl in their peer clutch. Using shame is a skill women learn early in life to effect the ends of their developing solipsism.

If men can be shamed into believing that their natural predisposition toward sexually desiring high SMV, physically ideal specimens of women is due to an insecurity with their personal status the effect would be one of leveling the SMP playing field. “Men only want hot women to feed their egos and impress other men” translates into shaming men (the more desirable men who can merit the attention of a high SMV woman) for being insecure with the perceptions of other men.

This carefully removes any negative association with women’s competitiveness for higher tier men, convinces women themselves that “men are just like that” to Buffer against rejection, and puts the burden of that competition on the man in the hopes that he’ll pair with a woman who is of lower SMV for fear of being shamed about his “insecurity” of wanting other men to see his status as higher than it should be.

Thus, the optimized ends of Hypergamy – a woman pairing with an SMV superior man – are better effected by a social convention.

I should also add that this social convention dovetails with another useful convention that relies on a similar dynamic – that of women complaining men sexually objectify women. The simple truth is that it’s part of men’s neurological firmware to see women’s bodies as objects. It’s a well studied fact that when men see an arousing woman’s semi-nude body it triggers the same area of our brains associated with tool use. Sexual objectification is a feature for men, not a bug.

I’ve gotten into this debate on other forums and comment threads, but it bears repeating. My N-count is a bit more than 40 women, and of those women never did I make an approach (or go along with a woman opening me) with a forethought of wanting to impress my male friends. In fact there were some women I got with I’d rather my friends at the time knew nothing about.

The debate usually spins from there about how men just “do it unconsciously”. That’s an easy fallback, but I’d argue that the limbic and visceral incentive of wanting to sexually experience a smoking hot HB9.5 supersedes any subconscious thought of how good a guy will look when he shows her off to his buddies. I’ve been with strippers, a girl who was in Playboy in the 90’s, and several other women most guys just fantasize about – half the reason I stayed with the BPD girlfriend for so long was because she was just so fucking hot – but not once did I have any thought of brandishing any of them to improve my status with my peers. In fact I preferred we just get after it at her or my place than make any conscious effort on my part to show her off.

From 20 Questions:

This’ll sound facetious, but I’ve never thought of sex as being “validating” or ego-affirming. I honestly think a lot of that expectation comes from a feminized conditioning about “how sex should be” for men. I was, and still kind of am, more into sex as experience. It’s always been something fun to enjoy with a woman for me, not some meaningful act of cosmic significance. I’ve had sex with women I loved and women I didn’t, some were memorable, some were…meh. Even in my bluest of blue pill days my ‘validation’ came from other sources, not sex.

So the question for the weekend is this, as a man, do you give any headspace at all to considering how your status might improve with other men if you’re seen with a hot woman?

When you see a guy who’s physically an obvious 1-2 SMV degrees lower than the woman he’s with, do you think any better of him or do you presume the imbalance is due to some other external factor (such as wealth or fame)?

Do you see the method behind the madness of shaming-down apex Men in order to better optimize Hypergamy for “lesser” SMV women?

 

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@ Jeremy You are correct but this is a matter of economics and demographics, not biology. People are aroused by and want to have sex with people based almost entirely on physical attraction. I.e. women want to have sex with built, physically dominant goodlooking guys and men want to have sex with pretty women. But people will MARRY for status and wealth. It is true that 95% of the time it’s women who do this, not men, but that’s only because for most of history, women had no wealth (and thus no status or power) of their own, so of… Read more »

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Krypto, are you a natural born woman? if yes, have you ever had your chromosomas checked?

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A really hot chick isn’t going to improve my status. But a really unattractive woman… yeah… on some level my status might drop a few points.

http://www.dailyhiit.com/hiit-blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/divers-pose-2982-e1419869511981.jpg

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@ Yohami. Lol. Yes to the first question, no to the second. I do get told by guys all the time that I’m a dude in a woman’s body, or that I’m emotionless and overly logical. But I’m pretty sure my chromosomes are perfectly normal. My dad is a scientist and my mom was pretty cerebral as well so I think I just have a brain that skews towards the extreme of systemizing. This is likely why I’m fascinated by the topic of gender relations because my natural inclinations are more sympathetic to what is stereotypically “male” but I still… Read more »

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Or as my uncle said when the whole Bill Clinton/monika thing came out, “well why else would a man want power? It’s not like he’s the first leader in the history of the world ever to do that!”

Now one could argue Bill could have been choosier but…

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Krypto, atypical for sure

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@Kryptokate this is a matter of economics and demographics, not biology… people will MARRY for status and wealth. It is true that 95% of the time it’s women who do this, not men, but that’s only because for most of history, women had no wealth (and thus no status or power) of their own, so of course men couldn’t marry for those reasons. And you think that all that history had no effect on the biology? So now we’re back to social constructs only? However, for the rare women who DID have those things (i.e. royalty, daughters of titans), men… Read more »

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One note on the girl standing next to Rushdie.

I know dressing up is considered high status but to me it makes women look old.

Rushdie’s woman has:
1) Caked on make-up
2) Long earings
3) Fancy dress

That’s what old ladies do in fruitless attempts to hide their flaws. It looks bad. Put away the make-up and the earrings. Throw away the high heals. Any effort spent on your appearance should be focused on your hair. Keep your hair long and beautiful.

When I see “done up” up women I think AARP.
http://fashionweekdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wpid-115091.jpg

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@ redpillgirlnotes
Now one could argue Bill could have been choosier but…

In a way Bill Clinton was choosy. He chose all the time. He nailed a thousand Monica Lewinsky’s over his lifetime.

This is a picture of Sherry Rowlands, the prostitute that Dick Morris (Clinton’s political advisor) was caught with. He had been boinking her for years before he was caught .

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/50375746.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=E41C9FE5C4AA0A14B5769D13BE66928DC4DA530411A9480ADC06900C941FAE30B01E70F2B3269972

Any chubby HB4 woman who is willing to give away sex for free has instant access to the most powerful business and political leaders in the United States.

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Crap didn’t work. Here is the picture. http://i.imgur.com/4dztLS3.jpg?1 “To be sure, Mr. Morris, the former chief political strategist for President Clinton, hasn’t gotten off scot-free. He was forced to resign in disgrace after the tabloid Star reported that for a year he had retained Sherry Rowlands as a $200-an-hour call girl, allowing her to listen in on phone conversations with the President and to have advance looks at speeches by Vice President Al Gore and Hillary Rodham Clinton. But beyond making Mr. Morris and Ms. Rowlands the butt of jokes, virtually everyone — prosecutors, the taxman, feminists, Mr. Clinton —… Read more »

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If you have Netflix check out the movie “Better Living through Chemistry”.

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That’s a man, baby.

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I´ll be honest, Yes,I would like to “show off” to my friends and the whole town (I live in relatively small town) a HB9 girlfriend, yes, but that would be just a thing to get off my chest and would probably get it out of my system fast, but thats because I never had that experience. I sometimes think I have a reputation of a sort of monk and to be seen with a desirable woman in my arm would be a true achievement for me being that I am 32 and never had a true girlfriend. But that´s my… Read more »

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huh. $200 per hour? Really??? Well I take back the why would a man hire an unattractive escort comment! Guess there is a market!

Many of tigers wood’s barmaids were not all that really either. Who knows???

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Lagging from the last article but not OT: myrealitie: “A woman can be very attracted to a man like this for life EVEN IF she dated the more unreliable types in her teens and early 20’s.” She is calling for that rare combination of AF/BB that optimizes hypergamy. George and Glenn probably come off as much more alpha and BBucks than me with their confidence, energy, drive and success both socially and financially. It seems to me that they should embody that ideal combination much more than myself. And yet their wives used and abused them. Something in common with… Read more »

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@ redpillgirlnotes

Many of tigers wood’s barmaids were not all that really either. Who knows???

The equation is simple.

An HB3 offers easy sex = Within 8 hours she lands an Alpha male Vice President who works at Goldman Sachs and drives a Ferrari.

An HB3 wants marriage = After years of dating she finally locks down the janitor who cleans the parking lot at the building next to the Goldman Sachs building.

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@ Jeremy The past several thousand years of history may have had some effect on biology, but prior to 10,000 years ago, there was no such thing as accumulated wealth or property. So for the vast majority of our evolutionary history, physical factors (health, strength, fertility) and social capital (status, respect, and allies) would have been the only thing that mattered. And those are the things we still find are pretty hardwired. The last few thousand years has been an aberration of sorts, and people have adapted to fit their economic circumstances but I don’t think that stuff is as… Read more »

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Tiger Woods is one of the wealthiest and most famous sports figures in the world. His net worth is roughly $600 Million dollars.

This is what he was sleeping with. Keep that in mind the next time your office buddy tells you that he regularly bang 9s and 10s.

http://i.imgur.com/keNpwHQ.jpg?1

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^^^^^^
I’ll take the hula hoop girl from Arkansas over any of these broads. cool

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Krypto,

“The only affluent guys who would marry a hot chick who works at 7-11 are guys from places where there are no wealthy/high status women.”

Basically you’re saying men are hypergamous. Short answer, no. Long answer, fuck no.

Specially when you compare men to women and start talking about what “people” do as if the behavior had a lot of overlap. There’s no such overlap.

George Clooney married DOWN, his wife married UP.

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@Kate Last, does Bill Clinton not prove what I’m saying? He screwed lots of women, but he married the high status one. I note you completely ignored my two fantastic examples, namely Prince William & his father Prince Charles. Both men married women far below their status, purely on their appearance. Yet you claimed that no one would ever want to “marry down”. Instead you’re throwing Bill Clinton at me, another career politician who enjoys social status purely for it’s own sake, and a man who has repeatedly demonstrated that he’ll screw anything that moves. He’s the male equivalent of… Read more »

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@Rollo – Kryptokate is right. Men DEFINITELY marry for status. The thing is, in places like NYC and DC there are MANY really attractive, high status women (went to elite schools, rich parents, etc). So, the creme-of-the-crop men always go for these girls. And it is not just accidental and based on proximity. They want to gain in status through their marriage just as much as women do. Now, what would be really interesting would be to see top men having to choose between a 6 who went to Harvard and whose parents are business titans, and a 9 who… Read more »

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myrealitie, no. “Men DEFINITELY marry for status.[…]They want to gain in status through their marriage” As a bonus, yes. “just as much as women do.” No, that is ridiculous, as you point yourself: “top men having to choose between a 6 who went to Harvard and whose parents are business titans, and a 9 who cleans office buildings for a living. In this scenario, I suspect that the man would choose the 9.” Reverse the sexes and women will do the opposite choice, marry the high status man over the more handsome one. Case closed. “They can get both (looks… Read more »

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myrealitie, “Krypto is right” No, she’s wrong, as you point yourself: “top men having to choose between a 6 who went to Harvard and whose parents are business titans, and a 9 who cleans office buildings for a living. In this scenario, I suspect that the man would choose the 9.” Reverse the sexes and women will do the opposite choice, marry the high status man over the more handsome one. Time and time again. “They can get both (looks and status) and they absolutely want both.” Everyone wants all they can get, but some items come first. For women… Read more »

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@YOHAMI – yes, I retract only that one sentence fragment “just as much as women do.”

I also think that most top men do cheat. And I suspect that a lot of them get married to the higher status, adequately but not smoking hot woman fully knowing that they will cheat if the itch gets strong enough with a series of more attractive women.

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@ Kryptokate
He screwed lots of women, but he married the high status one.

Bill Clinton was cheating on Hillary while they were in college. He married Hillary because unlike most women she didn’t care if he cheated. She was eager to work in politics and happy to let him bang an endless stream of floozies. For a guy like Bill she was the perfect wife.

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Again, I agree that looks are more important for men and status is more important for women. But the fact remains that there is a ceiling effect – there are MANY really attractive women who are also high status. So for this reason the “nice to have” (status) gets bumped up to “necessity.” And this is the reason why some women are so hell bent on careers, btw. It is a legitimate way, in the current climate, to improve one’s lot and attract a better partner, and if that fails, to earn money and the economic ability have a lot… Read more »

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myrealitie, “And this is the reason why some women are so hell bent on careers, btw.” If they really want to get married, the efforts are better invested in the gym, diet, clothing, grooming, developing a feminine personality, learning to embrace manhood, cooking, being very moderate / almost prude with their sex lifes (other than with real marriage prospects) and aiming to marry very young and have kids. The woman who does that will triumph any hardward graduate who didnt care about those things, statistically speaking. So “And this is the reason” I’d say that may be A reason. I… Read more »

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@ Kryptokate There are lots of high earning men in my organization and not a single one is married to anything close to the hottest chick they could get. They’re married to adequately pretty/over the bangability threshold women who have some measure of status from education/family background/career. Wrong. They’re married to exactly the hottest chicks they could get. They couldn’t lock down anything better or they would have. Period. Maybe they’ve got 2 inch wieners. Maybe they have really boring personalities. Whatever the case may be the women they are married to are the best they could get at the… Read more »

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Ask Barry Dutter. He’s in the blue shirt on the exercise ball:

Ask Barry Dutter. He’s in the blue shirt on the exercise ball:

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@myrealitie @Rollo – Kryptokate is right. Men DEFINITELY marry for status. What a joke. Donald Trump: Married a model Prince William: Married a commoner who happened to be beautiful. He could have had anyone. Prince Charles: Married a commoner who happened to be beautiful. Kobe Bryant: Married an HB7 who happened to be a HS sweetheart, could have had just about anyone. Men don’t give a flying fuck what a woman has accomplished or what her social status is. In fact, I think most men would prefer that a woman’s social group be lower class than his own. But according… Read more »

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Absolutely not… Couldn’t care less about eye candy. In fact, there are way many more intangibles for me than just a woman’s looks. The broad with Rushdie – Padma Lakshi – is indeed hot, but christ it was Rushdie’s 4th marriage and it only lasted 3 years. There have been women I’ve been quite fond of and very sexually attracted to, who by objective standards others would consider quite plain. But something about them made them incredibly sexy. It may have been the way they smelled, or the way they carried themselves, or their attitude about life, or most often… Read more »

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skill testing question: how attractive is this guy, and who tf is he:

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“how attractive is this guy”

He doesnt pass my boner test.

That picture is a good test for you. He signals high status with some color palette and accessories (that watch) so some women will find him attractive. Tell them he’s a billionarie CEO and that makes him even more attractive.

The reverse doesnt work for men – it just doesnt. If anything a chubby woman with an expensive watch starts looking even less attractive if she’s also the CEO of some company.

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women are hypergamous – men are lowergamous

complimentary opposites

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hipogamous?

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(btw this is guy that Rollo has talked about before but doesn’t know who he is)

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@KK, re: your examples of wives with status You have it backwards. Each one exactly backwards. Gates’ Melinda was Ms. Bob The Paperclip. She worked for him, like twenty levels below. He gave her increasing positions at work to reward her for giving him sex. Zuckerberg’s Priscilla was the high school chick he impressed by being a big college dude. He’s been her “sir yes sir” leader and sugar daddy since she was a teen. He wbecame a billionaire while she was still in college. Of Clinton’s Hillary, “However, after failing the District of Columbia bar exam and passing the… Read more »

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@redlight, re: Dave Goldberg

He is Sheryl Sandberg’s, erm, arm candy.

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@jf12 yes, he is the “nothing is sexier” husband of the woman billionaire

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@zdr01dz, re: “Bill Clinton was cheating on Hillary while they were in college. He married Hillary because unlike most women she didn’t care if he cheated. She was eager to work in politics and happy to let him bang an endless stream of floozies. For a guy like Bill she was the perfect wife.”

Yes. How can people pretend this was not well known?

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“Sheryl Sandberg”

ouch.

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@YOHAMI

hippogamous: what the #fatacceptance movement tries to shame men in to being.

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re: “So now I value good personality and character traits more than HBness.”

Could easily have been the cause of Rowland’s markup.

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@kobayashii1681, re: “Just a thought…you’ll find strong clusters/associations/gatherings of women with high status men/husbands, e.g. WAGS etc…BUT, do you find clusters/associations/gatherings of men with high status/SMV/Hot women?”

Good question. I presume the women share waxing tips and keep an eye on each other.

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Some years ago I realized that sometimes women I dated were using me as a fashion accessory. I was quite offended, and it had not occurred to me that such a thing was possible. Personally, that tells me how far from the male mind such status presentation really is. It honestly hadn’t ever occurred to me, let alone using a woman as a status symbol

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One of the top 10 hottest reasons for Rushdie splitting with Padma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riya_Sen

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@Malcolm, re: “Some years ago I realized that sometimes women I dated were using me as a fashion accessory. I was quite offended”

I thought it an upgrade. I thought I was more like furniture, a purse-holder, etc.

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I agree w kreptokate is this one: ” Jeremy You are correct but this is a matter of economics and demographics, not biology. People are aroused by and want to have sex with people based almost entirely on physical attraction. I.e. women want to have sex with built, physically dominant goodlooking guys and men want to have sex with pretty women.But people will MARRY for status and wealth. It is true that 95% of the time it’s women who do this, not men, but that’s only because for most of history, women had no wealth (and thus no status or… Read more »

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Cheating bitch!

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@Jeremy, I wish women would focus more on being attractive to men. IE being thin, being fun, demure, coy, staying off the CC, proving they know how to say no to the men who run game on them. Though as we see Kate can’t stop a man’s cock from getting inside her. She doesn’t know how. I get it. She has cheated on so many men that she is incapable of accepting that she’s a slut and has to make excuses. *Everyone would cheat in my circumstances! It’s not that I’m a shitty person! Everyone would cheat!” Kate you sound… Read more »

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I always thought Wolverine marrying like a 3 was interesting. Any thoughts?

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Having not gone through all the comments to see if this is a repeat because your considerable following manages to fill comments to tl;dr level on the day of posting, I’ll say this: I’ve not met any men that I’ve suspected of using the attractiveness of their mate as validation among other men (outside of a gay guy I knew in high school who was using her as a beard). However, I have known many men, and myself included among this, who have after being broken up with by a woman, made damn sure that the next girl they were… Read more »

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@zdroidz I have to disagree with your “men will marry the hottest women they can get” theory. Men will marry the hottest women they can get in whom they have a sufficient degree of confidence in the fidelity of. The problem with marrying the hottest woman you can get is that those men may discover at some point that their SMV is below that of their woman, and then they become exposed to the various and sundry risks of feminine centric society.

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It really was a shock to me the first time I read guys don’t care about a woman’s education or career. What? How could that be??? But it’s true. Women care about education and career, so they project men do too. But it’s not an attraction factor. In fact it can work against a woman, and I have seen that myself. On one date I was talking about my career and biz, thinking it would be impressive, but I could almost see him thinking, “how does this fit into her being a potential wife? Mom? How will she have time… Read more »

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@RPgirlnotes, It’s because we can’t do everything. No one can do everything. Yin and yang. No one can do everything. But we can support each other. I do believe we can hold each other up. We just have to accept what we have been born to do. And accept that we aren’t going to be able to do what we aren’t born to do. Easy for a man. I can never birth a child. Pregnancy is amazing to me. Yet so many women have been conditioned to believe that creating a unique life is somehow wrong. All women can create… Read more »

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Only ugly short men wants that.

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Only pathetic young ugly little boys want a HB on their short arms.

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I don’t understand why people still reply to Kate. She’s looking to butt into men’s discussion to seek attention, not discuss what is right and wrong or anything related to the subject matter.

Even if you men were talking about KFC and PF Changs instead of Red Pill, she’ll still butt in.

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That’s an interesting question. Undoubtedly the biggest reason men pick a hot woman is attraction to her, but I’m not sure men don’t care about peer validation at all. I mean, why wouldn’t a man care about pre-selection at all? I think an interesting question would be this: “If you could have a really hot woman, but never be able to show her off, would you be as happy?” Although it would also be interesting to ask “If you have sex with a woman who is hot enough for you, but is considered a 5 or something, would you be… Read more »

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jf12 January 23rd, 2015 at 6:18 pm re: scientists/engineers vs physically dominant males Now if you can combine both…. The fm was commenting on my physicals tonight. “You’re still a hunk”, says she. Maybe she was just buttering me up. But I am over 6′ and have only a mild paunch. Back in the day I was trim, slim, wiry. ============ I never considered status when chasing women. The only question was could I get in. Funny enough 7s, 8s, 9s, and the very occasional 10 was what I did. Mostly. Maybe women self qualify. If the man is too… Read more »

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Lots of great information in this thread. Thanks @jeremy. Starting to solidify my thoughts: Let me put it in narrative…. Plate or SO, you have to go to a Vegas Casino and on your arm and presence for the night is a HB5… Most importantly she’s 2-3 SMV points BELOW yours. Conversation ensues at the blackjack table ( she’s not generating any attention ) and you get questions like, “are you guys related?” or “do you two work together.” Minute it becomes clear to anyone she’s your date, all the girls hamsters start running.. Does he have a really little… Read more »

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It’s interesting how many ‘status marriages’ involve a mistress on the side.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/madison-ashtons-children-join-fight-over-richard-pratts-estate-20131128-2ydf4.html

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I will be honest here… back in the day when I used to use game a lot to fuck a girl. Probably use game still to be fair, it’s difficult to know because I have been having sex and easily predicting the woman’s response to my advances since that time. Anyway side tracking… Back in that day, I would sleep with a hot chick to just prove to my peers that it’s all about game. And I took very closely to my heart the challenge accepted rule that Barney used in HIMYM. I felt like one I needed to prove… Read more »

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“If you want to see a man gain social status amongst men because of his woman then look at the man with the good, loyal, pleasant, demure, feminine, cheerful, obedient, supportive wife. If she’s all those things and a 6 or better that guy gets added respect, status, and even envy.” This is an excellent insight from Badpainter. Furthermore, I once had to choose between two seemingly identical candidates for a high-level position. I was at the point of having my dog decide, until I invited them and their wives for dinner. One wife was a sophisticated 9/10, while the… Read more »

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@Kryptokate Sincere question here: if that man you were once in love with were to submit his potential to God, and all that that entails, all else equal, would you still (hormonally) want to follow him through the narrow thread of that ¬needle into a life together. Or would you still pine for the flesh outside of that, to the exclusion of a long-term building project. What if he was able to make that transition, and still loved you just the same as he did previously, only this time without the carnal distractions, other than you (mostly). Is that something… Read more »

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My answer: No

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I really wonder why Aristotle Onassis wife’d up a middle age widow with 2 kids.

The guy must have had inner demons of low-self-esteem.

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If I was looking for approval from my buddies in getting beautiful women then I am an extraordinarily stupid man because they were all about 7000 miles away when I got my most beautiful girls. And I hate cameras, so no photos.

It reeks, and reeks badly, of latency if a guy gets an attractive girl and the primary or secondary or even any minor payoff is approval from other men.

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zroidz,

Tiger Woods was very likely in a whirlwind of HGH induced perma-wood. I don’t think his worldwide fame and Thai-Afroid-HGH super libido is going to add any information to anything. Dude is THAI-AFRICAN, took HGH and is the wealthiest, most recognizable athlete on the planet.

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“he was looking for a mate to build a home and family with, which is why most men marry”

this was the most important criteria when I was marrying

I rated her a 10 as a potential mother (yes, at the time I assigned a number), which included she loved children, could be a stay-at-home mom, and had a lot of common sense

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The “male validation” assertion of showing off a hot woman to other men is clearly projection of female SMV values onto men.

Besides, Dr. Hook said it best.

When you’re in love with a beautiful woman
You watch your friends
When you’re in love with a beautiful woman
It never ends
You know that it’s crazy
You want to trust her
Then somebody hangs up when you answer the phone
When you’re in love with a beautiful woman
You go it alone

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Seeking validation has been one of the things black women have used when complaining about a black man with a white woman. Especially when he has what’s considered a good job or income.
Haven’t seen the show yet but I wondering if it will enter into the narrative of a couple of the characters on that show “empire”.

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@Karl – Stop shaming him!! lol

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Regarding Tiger Woods, he was a awkward dork with a dork sense of humor who became rich and famous through being good at golf. The wealth changed, the dorkiness didn’t. If any girls he got with aren’t that great looking, he did run in circles with other high status men, both in wealth and athletic ability. So maybe he wasn’t always the first one the gold diggers were digging on. He’s still dorky after all. That’s why his game still hasn’t recovered since Ellen slapped him upside his head. It took the dork who thought he was the coolest right… Read more »

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Well it does tell me that this man is good at atracting beautiful women.

But then, it doesn’t tell me what causes his success – even if I can to some extent deduce it from his overall circumstances and behavior – or if adopting some of his mentality would benefit me, or if it is even feasible at all.

So as an indicator of a man’s value, it is simply overrated. But I would watch them interact anyway, for hints and of course for the beauty of his companion.

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@ Water Cannon Boy There is a problem with your hypothesis. Not this woman but a woman who looks roughly similar lives across the street from one of my employees. I’ve seen her. http://www.eurthisnthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/fat-saved-woman-samantha.jpg She is a prostitute and lives in government subsidized housing with her 3 children. For some reason she stole a half dozen Target shopping carts and lined them up next to her garage. My employee called Target and they did nothing. This disgusting, vile creature is visited by a string of men at random times during the day and night. They range from poor laborers to… Read more »

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knee candy

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“3-foot-11-inch woman found life and love stripping … helped her find true love in the form of her 6-foot-tall army sergeant Eich Bushner, 34, who wanted to meet her after seeing her pictures online …The height difference does pose some problems, but nothing too big that we can’t handle”

http://nypost.com/2015/01/23/3-foot-11-inch-woman-found-life-and-love-stripping/

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BTW I’m rating Tiger Woods’ mistresses on a scale. Since most women are fat and obese his chicks get a bonus point or two. In a world where every woman is thin and healthy (as it should be) those women are dead-assed average HB5s. The one with the fake tits is an HB4.

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one thing about women wanting height

it is not just the guy’s height relative to her, it is the guy’s height relative to other guys (likewise does he have more smarts than other guys, more money than other guys, stronger than other guys …)

“I want the best looking furniture guy for my living room”

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@Rollo;

“If a woman is smoking hot and good in bed, men will marry her if she’s a sandwich artist at Subway, an heiress to a fortune or a psychotic BPD.”

Women can’t grasp this, which is why FI manipulates social convention to shame men into BP thinking, e.g. ‘quality women’ and so forth.

Like you said, there is no one(or 2, or 3…) you make the one!

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@zdr01dz, re: “In a world where every woman is thin and healthy”

Oh, THAT world. I thought we were talking about some other world.

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@redlight, re: “I want the best looking furniture guy for my living room”

Exactly. In the life-accessory competition it’s not about having the biggest purse, usually, it’s the one that Goes Best with everything.

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re: knee candy.

Aww. She looks friendly, and probably as it says the necessities aren’t too small. But I couldn’t get past the child-size aspect mentally. In my imagination I find great big tall Amazon girls amazing, although average size seems to work best in reality.

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@Jeremy: “Stop projecting your dualistic strategies onto how men think. We don’t think like you.”

Well said.

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@jf12: “Good question. I presume the women share waxing tips and keep an eye on each other.”
hehe…that and looking for the next opportunity to…uh…optimise, no?

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I can’t help but notice that over the last couple of months, I’ve been seeing a lot more bitterness from Rollo. I like some of your posts where you argue commentators but often times you don’t take the whole message from the opposition. You take a small excerpt that you don’t agree with, flip it into your liking, and put it on display for everyone else to say, “Ah yes! Excellent post!” In other words, the more a movement is filled with “yes men” or “yes women”, the more fundamentally bias it is. That kryptonite girl made some interesting comments… Read more »

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@ jf12
Oh, THAT world. I thought we were talking about some other world.
I can dream. cool

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I was embarrassed to be seen in public with a morbidly obese girl every time it ever happened. Wish it didn’t, but it did. Although I also didn’t have to worry about other guys oogling her. One time I was with my “friend” (LJBF), who’s super hot, and a bunch of teenage kids walk by and said “Way to go, dude” and “You are my HERO!” I was such a giant beta pussy at the time I just acted like I didn’t know what they were talking about and blew it off. Just shrugged and went “What do they mean?”… Read more »

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@zdr01dz, re: grading on a curve

I have to admit I automatically correct for a woman’s age. I think I calibrate by mentally deconvoluting with Rollo’s age-based relative SMV curve. In other words, I have no problem calling some 40 yr old babe a 9 even though an average 20 yr old is probably superior objectively.

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Oh yeah! I remember my old boss dropped a few notches on the status bar when we found out he was married to a hag. About 15 years ago when I was a web developer I had an awesome boss named Kevin. Kev was an ex-Marine. He had the typical Marine look. He was handsome, tough looking and all Alpha. We loved him because he kept the asshole upper management off our backs. Kevin was a man. We worked our asses off because we liked him and respected him. Then at the company Christmas party we got to meet his… Read more »

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regarding Padma Lakshmi and the three girls attributed to Tiger Woods:

Every single guy on this board would do Padma in a heartbeat. She still looks damn good.

And every guy here would fuck any of those three “Tiger” girls, no questions asked. Or, as we used to say in school, “There’s no way you’d kick her out of bed, and you know it”.

There’s no point in running down women who are older but still have some good looks left in them. All four of those women are objectively, universally attractive.

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@redpillgirlnotes It really was a shock to me the first time I read guys don’t care about a woman’s education or career. What? How could that be??? But it’s true. Here’s an example that perhaps women can understand, or at least see how they are fully projecting by believing that men marry for status. Women… Would you ever marry a man solely on his appearance? Think hard. Let’s pretend you knew absolutely nothing about a man, but you knew he was the hottest body/face you’ve ever seen in your life. Would you marry that? I would imagine that you actually… Read more »

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@ jf12
I have no problem calling some 40 yr old babe a 9 even though an average 20 yr old is probably superior objectively.

Subconsciously I do the same thing. I see an attractive 35 year old woman and then it dons on me. Holy shit when I was young I wouldn’t have looked twice at her. To a young man she looks old an undesirable. And objectively they are right. And that’s when I realize I’m getting old, hehe.

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@jf12: Biological male. Though I have always seen him as more like my little sisters than any other men I know. He will date a girl who is having sex with other people and not himself and not care as long as she dresses up, holds his arm and looks the part when they go out. It’s odd, but that’s now the sort of person who comes to mind when people say a guy wants “arm candy”.

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High status women are usually a pain-in-the-@$$. Who wants one if they don’t help your mission?

Hillary gave Bill some political access. She helped his mission.

It isn’t rocket science.

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