Socialized Hypergamy

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This weekend’s discussion post was inspired by commenter Johnnycomelateley

Rape hysteria also has a deeper motive, equalitarianism (high taxes and social distribution) has changed the economic ecology and altered the incentives for female bonding patterns.

Several economists and anthropologists contend that society is transitioning from monogamy to serial monogamy (serial polygyny).

For serial polygyny to be facilitated women require absolutely unfettered, unrestricted, unconditional, uncommitted, unrestrained, unmoralizing, independent and completely free and unqualified safe access to sexual free choice. Unbounded by contracts, agreements, social norms, moral restraints, religious injunctions, social ties, aesthetic norms, maternal obligations, infanticide (abortion), selling progeny (adoption) and economic restrictions.

Anything that is deemed as restrictive is seen as limiting this choice, male spaces, employment obstacles, undesirable attention, unsafe neighbourhoods, male aesthetic standards, religion and of course rape.

What we are seeing is ‘choice hysteria’, anytime someone somewhere restricts female sexual choice it is met with unbounded fury. Even centuries long legal precedents and wrongful imprisonment must acquiesce to facilitate free choice.

Here are some quotes showing we are transitioning to serial polygyny.

Murdock’s (1967) Ethnographic Atlas categorized just 16% of 862 cultures as exclusively monogamous, with polygamy being found at some level in the rest.

A 2011 study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control found that just 23% of women and 14.7% of men aged 25-44 had one (or zero) opposite-sex lifetime partners.

Frank Marlowe, Biological Anthropology – Cambridge
When males provide all the income but some have much more than others, richer males achieve polygyny, while ecologically imposed monogamy prevails in case of moderate inequality. When males provide an intermediate level of investment with little variation, females are not excessively dependent on males and serial monogamy may arise.

David de la Croix, Professor of Economics
In a society with few rich males and virtually no rich females, polygyny is supported by rich males, who can naturally monopolize a larger number of partners, and poor females, who prefer to be the n-th wife of a rich male rather than marrying a poor male monogamously.

Eventually, however, the number of rich males increases enough, and poor females prefer to marry monogamously.

Serial monogamy follows from a further enrichment of the society, through a rise in either the share of rich males, or the the proportion of rich females.

Monique Mulder, Anthropology
A key finding here is that while men do not benefit from multiple marriages, women do. Although the data are very variable (large standard errors), women appear to gain more from multiple mating than do men.

I’ve written more than a few posts about equalism here, but one thing that needs to be made clear is that a true state of egalitarian equalism among the sexes is neither tenable nor sustainable in any realistic measure. There is always a dominant / submissive dynamic in all human relations (not just intersexual ones), even in same sex pairings. While that dom-sub relation may be flexible in various circumstantial instances, the meta-relationship dynamic tends to place the more dominant personality at the top of an intersexual relation.

For the better part of human history this dominance has been expected from a Man, and I daresay as a species we evolved into that dominant role both physically and psychologically. But for the past 60+ years, since the advent of ubiquitous, unilaterally female-controlled hormonal birth control, the social and physical constraints of women’s innate Hypergamy, that had been kept in check by Men’s default dominance, has been unfettered.

When I wrote Owed Sex I went into detail about how women’s perception of their hypergamous choices have been contained by men:

The premise that a man would ever be ‘owed’ sex for anything is offensive to the feminine imperative because it offends women’s self-entitlement to being filters of their own hypergamy, plain and simple. Women’s hypergamy dictates whom they will and will not fuck according to their sexual strategy’s most urgent needs.

To presume a man is ‘owed’ sex for services rendered, or due to his own self-perceived prequalifications for a woman’s intimacy, is to remove women’s control of the decision making / filtering process of their hypergamy.

The offensiveness doesn’t come from the notion that men would need to perform in order to get sex, but rather that a man might forcibly assume control of a woman’s hypergamous determining of his sexual suitability for her.

When I wrote that post it was before the Yes Means Yes law had been enacted as well as before the “rape crisis” hysteria we find ourselves in as the result of the machinations of a feminist writer who actively hunts for pulp fiction rape stories to embellish. All now proven a complete and calculated fabrication.

However the base motivation is still the same, and I agree with Johnnycomelately, the social press for equalism is a suitable mask for socialized Hypergamy.

The Feminine Imperative isn’t interested in anything like an idealized state of egalitarian equalism between the sexes; it is only interested in unilateral, uncontested, and socially assured optimization of women’s Hypergamy.

Equalism is an anathema to Hypergamy.

So long as women are subject to innate hypergamous influences there can never be a socialized state of egalitarian equalism between men and women. By its very nature the Feminine Imperative will always seek an unequal state – maximal restriction of male sexuality and maximal unrestriction of optimized feminine Hypergamy. The persistence of pressing the idea that equalism between the sexes is a realizable goal state is necessary to achieve those maximized / optimized conditions.

For men, the end result of that optimized state is really a form of normative, accepted, socialized cuckoldry. However, the efforts to achieve this state are in social evidence all around us now.

Milo Yiannopoulos has an excellent two-part article, Sexodus, on Breitbart London outlining the cultural impact socialized Hypergamy is having on men today and how they are “checking out of society”.

In part two Milo explains:

Men, driven, as many of them like to say, by fact and not emotion, can see that society is not fair to them and more dangerous for them. They point to the fact that they are more likely to be murder victims and more likely to commit suicide. Women do not choose to serve in the Armed Forces and they experience fewer deaths and injuries in the line of work generally.

Women get shorter custodial sentences for the same crimes. There are more scholarships available to them in college. They receive better and cheaper healthcare, and can pick from favourable insurance packages available only to girls. When it comes to children, women are presumed to be the primary caregiver and given preferential treatment by the courts. They have more, better contraceptive options.

Women are less likely to be homeless, unemployed or to abuse drugs than men. They are less likely to be depressed or to suffer from mental illness. There is less pressure on them to achieve financial success. They are less likely to live in poverty. They are given priority by emergency and medical services.

Some might call these statistical trends “female privilege.” Yet everywhere and at all times, say men’s rights advocates, the “lived experiences” and perceived oppression of women is given a hundred per cent of the airtime, in defiance of the reality that women haven’t just achieved parity with men but have overtaken them in almost every conceivable respect. What inequalities remain are the result of women’s choices, say respectable feminist academics such as Christina Hoff Sommers, not structural biases.

And yet men are constantly beaten up over bizarre invented concepts such as rape culture and patriarchal privilege. The bizarre but inevitable conclusion of all this is that women are fueling their own unhappiness by driving men to consider them as sex objects and nothing more, because the thought of engaging in a relationship with a woman is horrifying, or too exhausting to contemplate.

I don’t see men as ‘checking out’ of society so much as I see them being  forced to develop personal and cultural contingencies to adapt to a feminine-primary social order that’s based on socialized Hypergamy. The obvious comparisons to Japan’s culture of “herbivorous” men is nothing new to the manosphere, but what is new is the increasing awareness of the consequences of socialized Hypergamy.

The MGTOW movement (such as it is) is a good example of this adaptation, but even men going their own way are still directly and indirectly subject to the social pressures created by feminine social primacy and socialized Hypergamy. Irrespective of how insulated a man may think he is with regard to interacting with women, he’s still subject to the correlative impact of the societal changes that mandate maximally restricting his sexuality while legislating women’s right to optimal Hypergamy into law.

Imagined “rape crisis” hysteria, affirmative consent laws, politicians attempting to redefine rape as men ‘misrepresenting’ themselves in order to have sex with a woman, and defining domestic abuse as “restricting of finances“, higher divorce rates, marriage rates at an all time low, are all evidence of a feminine-primary socialization of Hypergamy that hides behind an egalitarian ruse.

The more men refuse to cooperate with socialized Hypergamy, the more the Feminine Imperative will legislate their compliance with it. But at some point it will reach a state of critical mass. The UVA gang rape hoax, the fem-centric maliciousness of Sabrina Rubin-Erdely and the blind, ego-invested adherence to an unassailable feminine correct narrative of its ‘believers’ was a good primer for this critical mass.

Most of what I’ve delved into here has been manosphere staple for more than 13 years now, but the mainstream exposure from the likes of Milo and even the national dialogue generated from the UVA gang rape hoax (as deliberately distractive as it is), is evidence that the previously hidden social machinations of feminine social primacy are becoming unignorable.

As Open Hypergamy and the Sandbergian embrace of women’s sexual pluralism becomes more normative, so too will Red Pill awareness become more mainstream. Men aren’t dropping out of feminine-primary society, they’re adapting contingencies for it, learning workarounds, comparing notes, and a growing Red Pill awareness is at the heart of that adaptation, even for men who’ve never heard of it.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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stay classy guys

A classic that gets a LJBF response. Women don’t WANT classy guys. They want bad boys.

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@David W – “I have yet to ever argue my wife into a state of reasonableness” I think these situations are that RP part of us that is screaming for us to wake the fuck up! But, I think, basically, that women use argumentativeness as a tool to betafy/betasize you, to beat you into supplication, whether slowly or in constant barrages, to secure her BB side of things as her SMV declines (or will decline), not to mention there’s always a part of us, in us men, that has been tuned especially over the last 5 decades to ‘come to… Read more »

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It is also disheartening that it is politically so much connected to the left.

Which may explain the election results of 2014. A Republican sweep of the nation. (Plus cannabis did very well).

Now if the Rs don’t screw it up by going all Puritan on us.

One think I’d like to see is DNA testing of kids in divorce – if the man wants it. No more paying for other guy’s kids. Unless he wants to. That will also damp down some of the worst of female excess.

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@M Simon “This is one of the reasons that I NEVER do anything for a woman till after I have bedded her. That rule can be found in “Surely You’re Joking Mr. Feynman” by Nobel Prize winner Richard Feynman.” As an armchair physicist (intent on returning to college one day and get a PhD in it), I have to admit that Feynman always came across as incredibly alpha. Extremely rare for professional physicists (they’re often arrogant, but rarely masculine) so quite jarring when you listen to him. Hell of a persistent guy though. What he lacked in IQ relative to… Read more »

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“One think I’d like to see is DNA testing of kids in divorce – if the man wants it. No more paying for other guy’s kids. Unless he wants to. That will also damp down some of the worst of female excess.”

How about making it standard practice regardless of requests upon birth. I don’t know about you, but I find paternity equally important, regardless of marital status. Hell, it’s even more important if you’re still married. A marriage “canary in the coalmine” if you will.

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The man to whom a woman is attracted receives a tepid approval;

This is so she can break with him if a better opportunity arises.

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Sun Wukong December 12th, 2014 at 5:50 pm That was one of the rules I laid down with the first mate. I don’t care who you fuck with (a rare attitude for a guy), the kids had better be mine or I bail. I’m sure about the first. (she got pregnant about 15 minutes after I decided she should – we both felt the spark – magical). And she stopped screwing around when the family started. But I still had to game her to keep her in line. Anther rule was – if you are screwing around I want the… Read more »

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Heartiste recently quoted an article on his recent Dark Triad post. As usual, he misinterpreted the study and I called him out on it but he felt the need to delete my comment. I’ll let that slide for now but I bring this up because the study does give us some insight, rather indirectly, on why “socialized hypergamy” exists in the first place. From the original study (Jonason & Buss, 2012): He always deletes comments that contradict his everything’s game view and “men are more visual then women” BS. He especially hates those comments that have ♥science♥ backing them up.… Read more »

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I state this innate Antipathy is so ingrained, so deep, so prevalent in women, that it biases their perception of the world, that it is the first filter for them, and it creates a deep and fundamental prejudice towards men, one that is entirely illogical, and it leads to structural oppression of men. You take advantage of that by being her protector. That has a higher value than $$$. The first mate when she is running down my faults always ends with , “but at least I can count on you for protection.” My method is/was to steer away from/through… Read more »

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Women choose. Men compete for sex with them – it’s an innate power imbalance in our social system.

Much deeper than “social system”. DNA.

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Nathan
December 12th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

No. Christianity merely mirrored the environment. Monogamy was advantageous for women. It no longer is. Christianity is dying.

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Mr T. December 12th, 2014 at 1:38 pm Feminist movement is destroying the society by destroying families Let us not forget our “Christian” friends who through Prohibition have taken wide swaths of males out of circulation. That may not be the cause of the decline – but it is certainly accelerating it. Fortunately we are wising up to that one. Slowly. Let me quote one of the architects of that regime. “Look, we understood we couldn’t make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that… Read more »

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And I’ve noticed that Uncle Rollo brings on the paranoia/

Uncle Rollo has access to your IP and any other information you had to give to register. No need for paranoia. Sheesh. You would think that by now people would get how the ‘net works.

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I have yet to ever argue my wife into a state of reasonableness; I *thought* that I had done so a few times, but about a week or so after the supposed “reasonableness” she just reverted right back. I have been Red Pill since ’62. I can argue her into reasonableness (eventually) any day of the week and twice on Sundays. It never sticks. Red Pill in a relationship is constant effort. It is why Beta is so popular. It takes much less effort. Coming late to Red Pill is better than never. Much better. And the fact that you… Read more »

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December 12th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

Nice!

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Rollo Tomassi
December 12th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

LOL. I commented on that before I saw the above remark.

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December 12th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

Got fired/let go from a STEM job because of the FI. I insisted on the truth. She sided with power.

I am amused. I do have a way of regularly shooting her down in public by telling the truth. It amuses me. Her bosses – who need to hew to the truth to some extent are not amused. That gratifies me.

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That rule can be found in “Surely You’re Joking Mr. Feynman” by Nobel Prize winner Richard Feynman.

I’ve read that book, literally, like 8 different times. That dude was as Red Pill as they come. A man who literally did not give a fuck what people thought of him.

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December 12th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

You can find the study here:

http://peterjonason.com/uploads/JonasonBuss-2012-AvoidingCommitment-STM.pdf

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A nice example here from the Matrix too. Sandberg preaches to the women to bask in the normalization of open hypergamy whilst Stoddard here does his best to abuse the minds of young, impressionable men with his paraphilia, presented, of course, as normal – both to achieve the same purpose: http://www.maxim.com/art-seduction/my-wifes-boyfriend-seems-great-guy Standouts here of course would be: “Some things to know up front: My wife and I are in an open marriage; it was her idea; it works very well for us.”; “I let her know that I was down with whatever she wanted to do.” “Adam has helped with… Read more »

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December 12th, 2014 at 8:24 pm

I’d have more respect for the guy if he had a GF or two. For balance.

He should learn how to G spot massage her to get her warmed up with an O or two before the main event.

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Here is some really classic crap. I’ll just start off with #1

http://www.lifescript.com/well-being/articles/t/top_10_turn-offs_for_women.aspx

1. Being Ignored
Being ignored is one of the main things that turn women off.

Just the opposite. When I want to correct the OL I just ignore her. She hates that. She will then adopt my point of view. Until next time.

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@Mark Minter. Excellent post by the way. I agree With everything you said but asking the courts to look at something that few judges even have the IQ to comprehend would never happen. As you said women are not consciously aware of how they process the world and the implications of that. They could care less, that is not their priority and in this way they are like children. Waaa! Gimme what I want! It’s ingrained in their DNA and that’s why they are so dangerous and cannot be trusted with freedom and power! Aristotle talked about this thousands of… Read more »

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@Glenn I agree with the many other excellent points Rollo makes, but once again, Rollo’s distaste for politics leaves him with only partial answers. This is because Rollo understands that politics and political figures are basically controlled. They are following orders, not from the electorate. When you mention an influential political figure, it’s similar to mentioning an A-list celebrity. They follow scripts pre-designated for their roles. They that control the political folk are no longer the voters. For this reason, every man should figure how to have influence with those that control the narratives the other actors (in politics) follow.… Read more »

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December 12th, 2014 at 9:31 am

Nice exposition on Cultural Marxism. I was actually a member of that tribe until the very late 70s. It all rings true.

One thing you leave out is that the Cultural Right feeds all that with its adherence to Prohibition.

And we are beginning to get a counter reaction to the Police State that feminism depends on. If it was just theft it could be – to some extent – tolerated. But the jailings and killings are starting to become indiscriminate.

When fear of authority breaks down….

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December 12th, 2014 at 9:06 pm

Not entirely true. The powers will attend to one major issue at a time when it hits critical mass (in their estimation). Revolution is not in their interest. Democracy is not control of government. It is a safety valve. If used wisely by the powers (I’m speaking from the point of view of their interests). But power becomes arrogant. And then things get turned upside down.

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Officer: She won’t answer the helm! We’re locked into the moon’s gravitation pull. What do we do? Lord Kril: [his eyepiece swings over left eye] We die. Last weekend’s post (“teach your children well”) had me question “what would you tell your son living in 1938 Nazi Germany?” now this weekend we have welcome to the accession of the FemNazis some of the solutions are the same as 1938, move away like to Thailand, keep your head down and hope things change, wait it out, do your own thing and don’t get caught, let your kids know not to believe… Read more »

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The best MGTOW’s are Stardusk and Bar Bar. Their youtube videos are insightful. Any Red Piller will benefit from their insights whether they choose to go MGTOW or not.

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Rollo,

And everyone in tins forum ‘

Please,please,please. Please

STOP responding to that cunt princess.

What I find more annoying is you guys responding to her.

Just STOP replying to her indananity
You men are bigger than that.
PERIOD.

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December 12th, 2014 at 10:20 pm

There are no leaders. If you want something done start something.

Think about the anti-Prohibitionists who started with ~10% support in the ’70s and are now at ~53% and rising.

Can you name a leader of the anti-Prohibition movement?

What do YOU want to DO?

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STOP STOP STOP

Responding to princess shit.

Everyone is an IDIOT to respond to het.

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What I was pointing out in M Simon December 13th, 2014 at 2:12 am is that you can’t just say, “Something must be done.” You have to pick a specific result you are after (DNA testing of children – might be one) and formulate a plan of action (start a blog and then petition one State government). The purpose of the blog is to gather supporters and information. Then go after the softest target you can find. Always attack weakness. I don’t think this will be won at any one place or time. There will be 10,000 actions. Guerrilla warfare.… Read more »

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Great post, Rollo, as always, and some great comments, too. And then some not so great. So it goes. I think Rollo’s astute and well-understood observations about socialized hypergamy have invited some misunderstandings. It is important to remember, in context of this discussion, that the Female Imperative is no more an enemy, in the sense many are using it, as the Food Chain is. That is, it is an observable fact of human reproductive biology, not a sinister force bent on doing evil and emasculation. In our culture, thanks to the Pill, liberalized divorce, industrialization, and other advances from our… Read more »

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So what am I doing? I’m going after the Police State without respect to feminism. Why would I do it that way? Because frontal assaults on well fortified positions are suicide. So I attack weakness. Prohibition.

If I can weaken that aspect I may (if I live so long) go after other aspects that support the FI. But my first goal is to weaken the opposition. By any means necessary. (Hi Glenn)

Weaken the State is my first objective. Weaken the idea that, “Law is the answer to every problem.”

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ianironwood December 13th, 2014 at 2:39 am Excellent. I like your pointing out that what we have is an ecological problem. The intersection of DNA with environment. And a cultural predisposition toward paternity tests. That is, I think, the first thing to be done by the “manosphere” to weaken the system as it exists. No presumption of fatherhood. Presumption of fatherhood is a leftover from the pre-DNA age. And we can call it a justice issue. Love to see the feminists squeal over that one. No more playing “Hide the Daddy.” ================== Re my: – Weaken the State is my… Read more »

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And so we will end up as the Mosuo. Where men although allowed to see their children do not head the family. They are shiftless and roleless. And so the Mosuo remain stagnant and poor until the intrusion of the modern world.

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Since Mosuo is probably unfamiliar to most I”m presenting a link to a section of the wiki about Mosuo men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mosuo&action=edit&section=5

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Wrong link. Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo#Role_of_men

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@thedeti

The result will be:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/20/the-return-of-patriarchy/

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re: “The more men refuse to cooperate with socialized Hypergamy, the more the Feminine Imperative will legislate their compliance with it. But at some point it will reach a state of critical mass.”

I’ve seen various low figures bandied about, like “If only 10% of men would embrace the red pill, or maybe 20%, then everything would change.” Is there any evidence to support the claim that there is necessarily such a nonlinear critical threshold percentage for social change? Or should we shoot to capture the majority of hearts and minds?

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BTW I personally believe we are transitioning *from* current serial monogamy towards true polygyny i.e. harems.

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Bango Tango said “Aristotle talked about this thousands of years ago for God’s sake.”

That’s the point: there’s nothing new under the sun. He could just as well have spoken about it for thousands of years.

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December 13th, 2014 at 6:26 am

We have the example of the cannabis “fiends” who are about 10% of the population.

It is not so much that we need more Red Pill men. I was one in ’62 (rank amateur). I didn’t get “Red Pill” until I started reading about it. That will take some time.

BTW my Dad was Red Pill but I didn’t understand until I started reading.

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@ M Simon – We don’t experience our DNA directly, we experience our culture and social system directly. One of the effects of females choosing sexual partners (shows up for about 500 million years in mammalian history) is a social power imbalance that men experience as competition with each other for mates and Red Pill guys call hypergamy. Fyi, for those who don’t realize it – no biologist or scientist in any relevant field uses the term hypergamy and when asked will tell you there is no such thing, per se. The differential in the costs of reproduction and our… Read more »

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@ LiveFearless – Your reply to my post on politics is pure hyperbole. Surely everything arises from meta-conditions to some degree, yawn. I focused very specifically on how the radical egalitarianism (calling it equalism is redundant – the words mean the same thing) he laments arises in the radfem movement. It’s a new feature in our culture and the radfems adopted it and gain power from it’s broader social impact and power. Surely you and everyone here have noticed that this radical egalitarianism manifests itself wrt other social issues? I mean, if you guys want me to play amateur historian… Read more »

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@ infowar – Very interesting observation and link. I’ve been trying to synthesize all this in my head and project forward, and had the thought this might be the case. I think many of us are hypnotized by the obsession with culture/social structure that the sociologists and political scientists have convinced us is everything and that encourages us to think too short term. If you step the reproductive clock forward, western values drop into the dustbin of history. That isn’t good news though, as along with redfem ideas and Marxism, the classical liberal ideas that gave us the past 500… Read more »

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@ Ianironwood “Conflating that with feminism and SJW crusades does both a disservice.” It seems you didn’t read my actual comment, analysis or argument either. My point was a very narrow one: How does the radical egalitarianism that informs the morality and view of “justice” that radfems go on and on about arise? My comment answers this concrete point. I don’t “conflate” anything. I explain the epistemology of these ideas and how they became fused. Breezy commentary about the FI does no damage to the points I made. Fyi, my guess is that you don’t know the history of the… Read more »

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@ Glenn Great comments, thanks for sharing. I’m teetering on the edge of MGTOW but the only reason is out of anger/frustration and a feeling of being hopeless when it comes to women. Which is complete bull for me. Even just from a purely physical standpoint I’m definitely in the top 20% of guys, and if I get my act together I could have it made. No need to martyr myself for no reason. I don’t think any guy should HAVE to go MGTOW and every time I hear about it and consider the idea myself all that comes up… Read more »

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@ Softek – I hope you take this in the spirit that I mean it – helpful. You might really benefit from taking a PUA course – have you done so? You have to understand how to establish a dominant frame with women and you seem to be stuck really badly, and it seems hard for you to get out of your own way. It’s no surprise given what you’ve had to overcome, so please, I only mean this as a tip from a friend, not a value judgment on you. That said… I, on the other hand, used to… Read more »

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Glenn “In the end, the groups of humans that have the most babies will win” Africans have fuckloads of babies, all the time. Don’t look like winners to me. Ask Bob Geldof. All that’s happened is a ton of money disappeared into the desert there, to “save” like 2 million starving no-skill paupers who have never owned so much as a pot to piss in, and don’t need clothes or heating. This enabled them to win big time, by becoming 10 million starving naked dumb-as-a-rock paupers or something in a couple of decades. All it needs is Moar Munny!!, apparently,… Read more »

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Man, I read thru the comments last night and some awesome comments and perspectives not normally heard … and some complete BS too. Please get out the ban-hammer on Princess. I think I will read thru a second time to make sure I grasped it all … So, I’ve noticed some topics that are completely avoided by the Sphere for the most part and still don’t understand why; though some where disclosed here: like Politics and movements in society in general. The situation we are facing is NOT only about women, relationships, reproduction, the FI, etc. Its way bigger than… Read more »

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@ Glenn Deeply appreciate the advice, and no offense taken at all. You’re right on point. RM has been very good for getting me unplugged to the point where I could be open to learning this stuff. But “this stuff” — the real world, practical application aimed at producing results — i.e. getting laid as a result of deliberately pursuing and picking up and bedding women — — that’s what I’ve been avoiding. The insights you’ve shared are absolute gold. I can see the truth in what you’re saying and have references to my friends to help with that: what… Read more »

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@ Glenn By the way, also working on my look. Trying to make myself into “somebody” — someone I want to be. Genuinely. Having fun styling my hair completely differently, and I’m in the market for a nice leather jacket now. I made myself a very cool necklace and have a couple super unique rings, and also recently got myself a really nice pair of oxfords. I also have spent so much time learning how to build guitars, I’m an excellent guitar player, am into hypnosis, have read a bunch of really cool and interesting books to recommend to people,… Read more »

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@ Softek – Great stuff. And you are already taking swings. Here’s my advice on the guitar-show gone sideways. Perfect up until the point when you started talking to her about feelings. Here’s what to keep in mind next time: 1. Don’t get wrapped up in your head, rather, observe her. Is she moving closer? Facing you directly? Making a lot of eye contact? If you notice yourself being worried, just laugh it off and get back over in her world. You saw the smiley eyes, the twinkle – we all know what that is. Great stuff. You have a… Read more »

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@ Tam – All I meant is that reproduction rates are important when it comes to group selection. White people of western European heritage are reproducing at below replacement rates. Obviously other factors are important and overall mortality might be very different.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JymN5yu-K_o

Watch at the 5-7 minute mark… see how much women hate men having any choice in the matter of reproduction. The accidental “pregnancy option” is one of the most valuable options a female can retain.

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#No Hymen, No Diamond.

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Softek December 13th, 2014 at 9:49 am Even just from a purely physical standpoint I’m definitely in the top 20% of guys, and if I get my act together I could have it made I was beta beta until my first GF explained to me how women work (age 18 ’62). You can learn it. And you are still well before your SMV peak. Plenty of time. The proper attitude is: You can like women. You must not respect them. =========== Glenn December 13th, 2014 at 7:35 am DNA was shorthand. Mate guarding was definitely a necessity before birth control.… Read more »

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Glenn,

Since you write so prolifically please give a short course on your headache trick. I’d like to learn that.

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December 13th, 2014 at 6:01 pm

#No Hymen, No Diamond.

Increases my odds. If I was still in that market. But my Game is only good for the more dominant and higher genetic ranked (I brought a nice body and considerable brains to the table). She has to want your genes more than any others.

I’m maybe one in a thousand. She didn’t have that much time.

In any case I wanted experience. I had one virgin. Nice girl (if a little on the plain side – nice pair of Ds though – my weakness). Nothing too special.

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Glenn,

3. Push, but then wait for the Pull – The best piece of advice I’ve ever given other sales reps in my business is this. At a certain point in a deal, a you stop selling and the customer starts buying.

My trick for that was: “Sleep with me naked. I like the body contact. No sex.”

And despite her obviously giving in. No sex.

About 3/4s came back gagging for it. It worked on the first mate. We still laugh about it.

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Rocket December 13th, 2014 at 12:20 pm So, I’ve noticed some topics that are completely avoided by the Sphere for the most part and still don’t understand why; though some where disclosed here: like Politics and movements in society in general. The situation we are facing is NOT only about women, relationships, reproduction, the FI, etc. Its way bigger than that; but people don’t want to talk about those things. I think Glenn and I are open to that kind of discussion. This is an open forum. Have at it. I’ll respond. But people don’t want to talk about politics.… Read more »

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A guy in a video here explains how to use NLP to remove a headache. I can see how to incorporate that into Game.

http://www.adaringadventure.com/nlp/using-nlp-to-remove-a-headache/

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December 13th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

I do electronics. I have always wanted to do something on the musical instrument side.

My e-mail is on the sidebar here: http://spacetimepro.blogspot.com/

Contact me if you have an idea that you need some help with.

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December 13th, 2014 at 4:30 pm,

The only thing women WANT is to be dominated. I ask the first mate frequently (to keep her in my frame), “You like being dominated by me?” “YES!”. If you can get close enough – they seem to like spankings. Not to hard (for most of them) and just a bit longer than they can stand.

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Glenn :-“reproduction rates are important when it comes to group selection. White people of western European heritage are reproducing at below replacement rates. Obviously other factors are important and overall mortality might be very different.” Absolutely. It’s some kind of too-hard-sum-for-a-bear-of-little-brain like me. I guess it would involve life expectancies at birth, set against gross national product per capita, factored against wealth distribution and ability to persist in whichever environmental niche the founder population had contrived to prosper. Swedes would do pretty well I reckon, despite the superficially alarming low babby-dropping rate. Still don’t fancy the chances of ‘refugees’ from… Read more »

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I remember this vividly. When I was about 19 years old I drove up to Circle K with a friend, parked the car and got out. Outside stood an HB7 that I had never seen before. She looked at me, flashed a confident smile and asked if she could get a ride back to college. I thought for a second, shook my head and responded with a “no.” Her expression went flat and she looked away. We walked inside and had no further contact. I realize it’s a small thing but it was the day I stopped being a white… Read more »

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December 14th, 2014 at 1:22 am

In the “old” days the saying used to be, “Gas, grass, or ass. No one rides free.” Those kinds were considered a bit uncouth. I expect they got laid more. Come to think of it that attitude was sort of associated with bikers.

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Readers are encouraged to research the proper nouns enumerated throughout Glenn’s post located at December 12th, 2014 at 9:31 am. Wikipedia, while largely disinformation, should serve you just fine for these initial purposes.

Then you can begin redirecting your frustration away from females (herd-driven creatures) and towards the cloaked males who are competing with you from the shadows.

This will work untold wonders in your relationships with females. Enjoy.

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You are being deliberately fucked with. Learn who is fucking with you (ain’t females), and why, exactly, they are fucking with you (because you let them). Then enjoy a tremendous parasitic burden being lifted off of your shoulders.

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Did any of you ever consider the fact that we may not be the only ones talking here? That others may also be here talking among us? Is that farfetched? Or is that 100% rational? On this very thread, Glenn made the most hard core post that I have ever seen on any manosphere blog, anywhere, ever. Did all of you readers see who dutifully came out of the woodwork, to dilute Glenn’s post? I sure did. Statistically, ridiculously, fantastically over represented on this one post, right here? (I didn’t imagine those posts after posts after posts after posts after… Read more »

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Historian December 14th, 2014 at 5:40 am So far Rollo is standing tall. It is an open forum. The fact that “Princess Counting Stars” outed herself is in fact valuable information. She showed where it hurts. Quite useful. Also – Glenn didn’t mention the influence of Herbert Marcuse in the 60s. He was quite influential in shifting Classical Marxism to Cultural Marxism. I’m sure it is not an oversight on his part. There is only so much you can get in a blog comment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse This I thought was quite telling: During World War II, Marcuse first worked for the… Read more »

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This is interesting: http://politicalhat.com/2013/10/01/the-cultural-marxist-origins-of-modern-progressivism/ “Marcuse’s mission was to dismantle American society by using diversity and ‘multiculturalism’ as crowbars with which to pry the structure apart, piece by piece. He wanted to set blacks in opposition to whites, set all ‘victim groups’ in opposition to the society at large. Marcuse’s theory of victim groups as the new proletariat, combined with Horkheimer’s critical theory, found an outlet in academia, where it became the basis for the post-structural movement–Gender Studies, LGBT/’Queer’ Studies, African-American Studies, Chicano Studies, etc. All of these ‘Blank Studies’ brazenly describe their mission as tearing down traditional Judeo-Christian values and… Read more »

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M Simon, Thanks for your enthusiastic jibber jabber. I’m of average intelligence. I don’t understand one fucking thing that you just posted, but what I feel somewhat certain that you are saying, is this: “The Culture Warriors on the Right are inherently in league with the Cultural Marxists. “ Yes, that seems so very logical. That makes so much sense to me that just perhaps I can now go count some sheep and go to sleep, yes? Thanks for playing. Your intellectual contribution (jibber jabber) here at Rollo’s site is mind blowing, thank you so much. By the way, here’s… Read more »

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Video History – He gets to feminism at about 7 minutes in:

http://youtu.be/sUt8iHVTO4w

A link to you tube where you can find more links I hope this works.

Also look up Antonio Gramsci.

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December 14th, 2014 at 6:50 am

And here I thought you understood what Glenn was saying. My apologies. And condolences.

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Re: wives not “owing” sex to their husbands. Yet I am sure they believe they are owed financial support from their husbands.

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December 14th, 2014 at 8:14 am

Nature at its finest. You have to make her WANT to have sex with you. The best way to do that is to have a GF and a wife. Or two wives (where is that legal?).

Dealing with the essential nature of women is not for the faint of heart.

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I just had this exchange over at Rollo’s site. Stayed up all night fucking with this bullshit (3 hrs). Me and good old ‘M Simon’ had this exchange, and in it, he barfed his true colors by posting the below YouTube video, which has since been scrubbed. It concerns every single reader and writer in the manosphere. Read the thread. Give it its due concern, for your own self-interest. @ M Simon, Pretty convenient that you had that video at hand. You and your ilk have now deleted it, but here’s the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUt8iHVTO4w I stayed up all night transcribing… Read more »

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Historian December 14th, 2014 at 10:32 am The video is still up at YouTube. And still on this thread. BTW it is spelled Marcuse not Marchusa. But you did get it phonetically right. So there is that. I also note that you posted “Glenn’s post located at December 12th, 2014 at 9:31 am” what I have posted is an elaboration on Glenn’s post. I’m really, really, sorry that what I posted bothered you. I promise that from now on I’ll keep posting similar stuff when appropriate. Because the history is accurate and I did in fact (in a very minor… Read more »

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Nice post here on the connection between cultural Marxism and feminism:

http://www.angryharry.com/esCulturalMarxismAndFeminism.htm

It leaves out the history of the Frankfort School but that is well covered in the comments here.

I also found this interesting from a manosphere site:

http://www.returnofkings.com/18998/cultural-marxism-produces-matriarchy

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Uh. Rollo. My – 11:20 am – went into moderation.

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Yeah, you liked that transcript, didn’t you, little infiltrating subversive bitch? You are a lowly parasitic worm, and everyone reading this knows exactly that. You’re motherfucking right I stayed up all night transcribing that filth.
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ALL OTHER PROPRIETORS – KNOW THIS – YOU HAVE PARASITIC WORMS LIKE SIMON ON YOUR SITE. TAKE HEED.

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December 14th, 2014 at 11:35 am

Appreciate the compliments. You having fun? Well I’ll post a link from the manosphere from my “in moderation” comment. I think you will just love it.

http://www.returnofkings.com/18998/cultural-marxism-produces-matriarchy

I found it by searching “cultural marxism feminism” lots of stuff out there on the subject.

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December 14th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

I’m not prone to this sort of thing but I have to say:

Thank you for EVERYTHING.

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Thanks Rollo, not sure who those other incarnations of Historian are … but was sure wondering what the hell was going on. Glad you are on top of it. I’m assuming all of this BS (princess et al too) is related to Glenn’s original post. I am interested in discussing such things as I am trying to understand in the big picture how all the pieces fit together … as long as it is SAFE to do of course. If such topics are taboo here (and now maybe we can see why, brings out the spooks and fanatics) then perhaps… Read more »

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This is an even better explanation of current events:

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Essentially, it was necessary to rewrite history from the perspective of viewing almost everyone as having been ruthlessly oppressed by straight, white men for all of history, and reduce our understanding both of all of the past and the present structures in society to a vision which views the entire narrative as one extended campaign of white male rape and domination of everyone and everything else.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/16/the-menace-of-cultural-marxism/

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The origin of “Rape Culture” in a nutshell.

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Thanks for the link to the Spearhead Mr Simon. I have read some of the Spearhead before, but not that particular article. Towards the end of that article there are a couple of important things said:

“The next step is raising our middle fingers at that apparatus and its social conservative enablers and walking off.”

“And with a healthy and utter disregard for what women think of this.”

Sounds like MGTOW to me.

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A few points of clarification: 1. Rocking MrE is a sophist and buffoon. If he ever had an original thought, it died of loneliness. He’s directionally correct in his commentary but simply doesn’t have the broader knowledge to put this in historical and proper philosophical perspective. He’s also a tradcon, which means most of what he believes about the world is a fairy tale to begin with. Do not take him as representing my views. For fun, if I felt like it, I could argue with MrE that Adam Smith was a socialist and win because I know that he’s… Read more »

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ianironwood makes the observation “One of the victories feminism has had over both men and the FI has been the devaluing of commitment through the threat of divorce.”

He is correct. The only way to devalue men’s SMV (as a whole) in order to artificially inflate women’s SMV (as a whole) was to pull down men’s MMV, since most men (being betas) leveraged their individual MMV to inflate their SMV. Feminisn gained “control” of men’s MMV by attacking marriage and disincentivizing commitment, ensuring that most men have less to offer, i.e. less to “tie down” a woman with.

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zr01dz mentions “the day I stopped being a white knight.” My own adamantium sheen dulled the first time I deliberately gamed a woman, convincing her to conspire in her own pickup for blatantly nefarious purposes. Anyone else have a little moment of realization to share?

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BTW it is the essence of White Knight to insist that women are not the source of the problems.

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Glenn December 14th, 2014 at 1:42 pm 1. Rocking MrE He described the history as I experienced it fairly accurately. I knew nothing else about him. Thanks. I must add that I was not a deep Marxist. What I knew was mainly from hanging around them in Bezerkeley ’67 and the culture of the time. I was nominally a member of the Digger Clan for a while as was now famous actor Peter Coyote. Rocket December 14th, 2014 at 1:37 pm As you can see from the thread I did a post on the subject at my blog. You are… Read more »

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December 14th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

I was a White Knight until my first GF. I had made some kind of mistake and to atone I bought her flowers and candy. I got told in no uncertain terms to never do that again. “Never admit a mistake” was one of the things she told me, She was really furious. I took it to heart.

Everything I had learned about women I had learned from the movies. That was the beginning of my education (’62).

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jf12 December 14th, 2014 at 2:01 pm I was discussing with some socons gay marriage and said that was nothing. It was hardly a blip in the decline. The real problem was no fault divorce. It went right over their heads. It was right back to “gay marriage is the end of civilization”. For some reason they are totally blind to what they are doing and what they are allowing. In the same vein (different thread) I said if you want to prevent the decline of the family you must End Prohibition because it is ruining the Black family and… Read more »

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How the environment determines reproductive strategies. It starts off a little slow and then explains the necessary terms. Don’t quit after the first paragraph.

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/

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jf12 on December 14, 2014 at 2:17 pm BTW it is the essence of White Knight to insist that women are not the source of the problems. And this is a lesson that the people here writing long winded essays about the details of political history don’t seem to get. When ancient Rome went down the same path were on with the rise of a welfare state, all the political instability, degeneracy of sexual mores and women taking a more influential role in society was this because of Karl Marx or Peter Coyote? Or could it be something in the biological human… Read more »

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