Socialized Hypergamy

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This weekend’s discussion post was inspired by commenter Johnnycomelateley

Rape hysteria also has a deeper motive, equalitarianism (high taxes and social distribution) has changed the economic ecology and altered the incentives for female bonding patterns.

Several economists and anthropologists contend that society is transitioning from monogamy to serial monogamy (serial polygyny).

For serial polygyny to be facilitated women require absolutely unfettered, unrestricted, unconditional, uncommitted, unrestrained, unmoralizing, independent and completely free and unqualified safe access to sexual free choice. Unbounded by contracts, agreements, social norms, moral restraints, religious injunctions, social ties, aesthetic norms, maternal obligations, infanticide (abortion), selling progeny (adoption) and economic restrictions.

Anything that is deemed as restrictive is seen as limiting this choice, male spaces, employment obstacles, undesirable attention, unsafe neighbourhoods, male aesthetic standards, religion and of course rape.

What we are seeing is ‘choice hysteria’, anytime someone somewhere restricts female sexual choice it is met with unbounded fury. Even centuries long legal precedents and wrongful imprisonment must acquiesce to facilitate free choice.

Here are some quotes showing we are transitioning to serial polygyny.

Murdock’s (1967) Ethnographic Atlas categorized just 16% of 862 cultures as exclusively monogamous, with polygamy being found at some level in the rest.

A 2011 study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control found that just 23% of women and 14.7% of men aged 25-44 had one (or zero) opposite-sex lifetime partners.

Frank Marlowe, Biological Anthropology – Cambridge
When males provide all the income but some have much more than others, richer males achieve polygyny, while ecologically imposed monogamy prevails in case of moderate inequality. When males provide an intermediate level of investment with little variation, females are not excessively dependent on males and serial monogamy may arise.

David de la Croix, Professor of Economics
In a society with few rich males and virtually no rich females, polygyny is supported by rich males, who can naturally monopolize a larger number of partners, and poor females, who prefer to be the n-th wife of a rich male rather than marrying a poor male monogamously.

Eventually, however, the number of rich males increases enough, and poor females prefer to marry monogamously.

Serial monogamy follows from a further enrichment of the society, through a rise in either the share of rich males, or the the proportion of rich females.

Monique Mulder, Anthropology
A key finding here is that while men do not benefit from multiple marriages, women do. Although the data are very variable (large standard errors), women appear to gain more from multiple mating than do men.

I’ve written more than a few posts about equalism here, but one thing that needs to be made clear is that a true state of egalitarian equalism among the sexes is neither tenable nor sustainable in any realistic measure. There is always a dominant / submissive dynamic in all human relations (not just intersexual ones), even in same sex pairings. While that dom-sub relation may be flexible in various circumstantial instances, the meta-relationship dynamic tends to place the more dominant personality at the top of an intersexual relation.

For the better part of human history this dominance has been expected from a Man, and I daresay as a species we evolved into that dominant role both physically and psychologically. But for the past 60+ years, since the advent of ubiquitous, unilaterally female-controlled hormonal birth control, the social and physical constraints of women’s innate Hypergamy, that had been kept in check by Men’s default dominance, has been unfettered.

When I wrote Owed Sex I went into detail about how women’s perception of their hypergamous choices have been contained by men:

The premise that a man would ever be ‘owed’ sex for anything is offensive to the feminine imperative because it offends women’s self-entitlement to being filters of their own hypergamy, plain and simple. Women’s hypergamy dictates whom they will and will not fuck according to their sexual strategy’s most urgent needs.

To presume a man is ‘owed’ sex for services rendered, or due to his own self-perceived prequalifications for a woman’s intimacy, is to remove women’s control of the decision making / filtering process of their hypergamy.

The offensiveness doesn’t come from the notion that men would need to perform in order to get sex, but rather that a man might forcibly assume control of a woman’s hypergamous determining of his sexual suitability for her.

When I wrote that post it was before the Yes Means Yes law had been enacted as well as before the “rape crisis” hysteria we find ourselves in as the result of the machinations of a feminist writer who actively hunts for pulp fiction rape stories to embellish. All now proven a complete and calculated fabrication.

However the base motivation is still the same, and I agree with Johnnycomelately, the social press for equalism is a suitable mask for socialized Hypergamy.

The Feminine Imperative isn’t interested in anything like an idealized state of egalitarian equalism between the sexes; it is only interested in unilateral, uncontested, and socially assured optimization of women’s Hypergamy.

Equalism is an anathema to Hypergamy.

So long as women are subject to innate hypergamous influences there can never be a socialized state of egalitarian equalism between men and women. By its very nature the Feminine Imperative will always seek an unequal state – maximal restriction of male sexuality and maximal unrestriction of optimized feminine Hypergamy. The persistence of pressing the idea that equalism between the sexes is a realizable goal state is necessary to achieve those maximized / optimized conditions.

For men, the end result of that optimized state is really a form of normative, accepted, socialized cuckoldry. However, the efforts to achieve this state are in social evidence all around us now.

Milo Yiannopoulos has an excellent two-part article, Sexodus, on Breitbart London outlining the cultural impact socialized Hypergamy is having on men today and how they are “checking out of society”.

In part two Milo explains:

Men, driven, as many of them like to say, by fact and not emotion, can see that society is not fair to them and more dangerous for them. They point to the fact that they are more likely to be murder victims and more likely to commit suicide. Women do not choose to serve in the Armed Forces and they experience fewer deaths and injuries in the line of work generally.

Women get shorter custodial sentences for the same crimes. There are more scholarships available to them in college. They receive better and cheaper healthcare, and can pick from favourable insurance packages available only to girls. When it comes to children, women are presumed to be the primary caregiver and given preferential treatment by the courts. They have more, better contraceptive options.

Women are less likely to be homeless, unemployed or to abuse drugs than men. They are less likely to be depressed or to suffer from mental illness. There is less pressure on them to achieve financial success. They are less likely to live in poverty. They are given priority by emergency and medical services.

Some might call these statistical trends “female privilege.” Yet everywhere and at all times, say men’s rights advocates, the “lived experiences” and perceived oppression of women is given a hundred per cent of the airtime, in defiance of the reality that women haven’t just achieved parity with men but have overtaken them in almost every conceivable respect. What inequalities remain are the result of women’s choices, say respectable feminist academics such as Christina Hoff Sommers, not structural biases.

And yet men are constantly beaten up over bizarre invented concepts such as rape culture and patriarchal privilege. The bizarre but inevitable conclusion of all this is that women are fueling their own unhappiness by driving men to consider them as sex objects and nothing more, because the thought of engaging in a relationship with a woman is horrifying, or too exhausting to contemplate.

I don’t see men as ‘checking out’ of society so much as I see them being  forced to develop personal and cultural contingencies to adapt to a feminine-primary social order that’s based on socialized Hypergamy. The obvious comparisons to Japan’s culture of “herbivorous” men is nothing new to the manosphere, but what is new is the increasing awareness of the consequences of socialized Hypergamy.

The MGTOW movement (such as it is) is a good example of this adaptation, but even men going their own way are still directly and indirectly subject to the social pressures created by feminine social primacy and socialized Hypergamy. Irrespective of how insulated a man may think he is with regard to interacting with women, he’s still subject to the correlative impact of the societal changes that mandate maximally restricting his sexuality while legislating women’s right to optimal Hypergamy into law.

Imagined “rape crisis” hysteria, affirmative consent laws, politicians attempting to redefine rape as men ‘misrepresenting’ themselves in order to have sex with a woman, and defining domestic abuse as “restricting of finances“, higher divorce rates, marriage rates at an all time low, are all evidence of a feminine-primary socialization of Hypergamy that hides behind an egalitarian ruse.

The more men refuse to cooperate with socialized Hypergamy, the more the Feminine Imperative will legislate their compliance with it. But at some point it will reach a state of critical mass. The UVA gang rape hoax, the fem-centric maliciousness of Sabrina Rubin-Erdely and the blind, ego-invested adherence to an unassailable feminine correct narrative of its ‘believers’ was a good primer for this critical mass.

Most of what I’ve delved into here has been manosphere staple for more than 13 years now, but the mainstream exposure from the likes of Milo and even the national dialogue generated from the UVA gang rape hoax (as deliberately distractive as it is), is evidence that the previously hidden social machinations of feminine social primacy are becoming unignorable.

As Open Hypergamy and the Sandbergian embrace of women’s sexual pluralism becomes more normative, so too will Red Pill awareness become more mainstream. Men aren’t dropping out of feminine-primary society, they’re adapting contingencies for it, learning workarounds, comparing notes, and a growing Red Pill awareness is at the heart of that adaptation, even for men who’ve never heard of it.

325 comments

  1. The more power women get, the more insane their claims of victimhood will become. That’s what’s so troubling.

    —-War on Women

    —–1 in 5 rape hysteria, now often 1 in 4 (Oh, go ahead and whittle it down to 1 in 3. And not just 1 in 3 assaults but go on with ‘1 in 3 will be raped’ You know that’s coming and will soon be gospel.)

    —–International rage against a T-shirt

    —–Slut walks

    —UVA

    —-GamerGate (which I’ve hardly followed. Sounds crazy.)

    —–‘Free the Nipple’ Documentaries. (How perfect. Simultaneous victim pandering with veiled crowing over their sexual power.)

    —-Eva Longoria’s attempt to start an ’empowering’ Steak House chain…

    —-Trying to develop a kind of ‘Hello Rape’ with that girl walking through Harlem with the porn-star body.

    You all could make a better list than me, I’m sure. But my point is that they will NEVER accept that life is fair. What about when 80% of college students are female, 70% of lawyers etc. How insane will the scenarios have to be in order for them to maintain victimhood? Some are saying that they are jumping the shark lately but I’ll believe it when I see it. I think it only gets worse.

  2. One of my doctors is the best in the world at her specialty, she has a waiting list for new patients. I credit her with figuring out how to make an important part of my body work again after the hit and run accident had caused permanent damage.

    She recently asked for my advice on a long-distance relationship with a man that lives more than 1,000 miles away, has children and an established medical practice that he cannot move away from.

    I’ve been the man in a few LDRs in my life (though I have no children), and further, “Professor Rollo Tomassi” has written volumes about this.

    I told her up front that my advice will not be what she wants to hear, but it’s honest and true. She said she appreciated that. Other men in her life have not given her the same advice since they’re ‘white knights’ that clearly wish they had their chance with her. She knows that I am happy in an LTR with someone that’s stuck with me even when I had lost mobility and normal speech.

    My honest advice brought some interesting responses from her including, “You may never find the love of your life either!” (I’m not looking, and if I were, it’s not difficult to find someone wonderful).

    She brought up her friends, saying, “most of my girlfriends are wonderful women with so much to give. They are independent and strong and do not need a man to take advantage of. Most women I know want to raise a family and take care of a man. Relationships are complicated and take communication and work.”

    Most of her girlfriends are over the age of 42. I may elaborate in another comment on my responses to her statements about her girlfriends and what they want vs what may or may not be possible for them.

    From https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/20/letting-go-of-invisible-friend/

    Rollo writes:

    I’m sorry to break this to you, but there is no such thing as a long distance relationship. That’s correct, you have no relationship. An LDR simply does not meet the criteria necessary for it to be considered a legitimate relationship. There is no reciprocity of anything more than words passing over a phone line or an IM text. Understand me here – you have no relationship. You have self-assumed accountability, self-assumed liability and internalized responsibilities to be loyal to this person. You are entertaining a commitment to fidelity with an idealization, and ignoring what everyone outside of your LDR will regularly tell you is insanity. LDRs are one of the more insidious forms of ONEitis.

    There are about seven million men in Southern California. She didn’t meet ‘the man’ here. I could have introduced her to male friends of mine – GREAT MEN – that live here and have more success and more time freedom than the doctor she says she’s in love with. I didn’t know she was looking until she mentioned this to me. Instead, she’s chosen someone that she cannot see often… and it’s impossible that either of them will relocate so they can be together.

    As you’ve written in this post, Rollo, Men aren’t dropping out of feminine-primary society, they’re adapting contingencies for it, learning workarounds, comparing notes, and a growing Red Pill awareness is at the heart of that adaptation. For a man with options (like the doctor in this new LDR long distance relationship with my friend), he adapts contingencies as you’ve mentioned. The man on the other side of the LDR has a relationship of convenience with her whenever they’re in the same place. For him, he’s either in an “insidious form of ONEitis” (as you’ve written) or he’s spinning plates without her knowledge.

  3. @melmoth It’s a risk to publicly associate with GamerGate but it’s important. Why? It’s a template for how to stand up against the false narratives which receive unlimited funding even if advertising dollars do not exist.

    Most people, not just men, have chosen to be completely oblivious to how destructive the popular narratives are. They continue to absorb the “news” and other popular content. Few have challenged the narratives until recently. Only ONE journalist (Richard Bradley) challenged the false UVA story at first.

    I’m not a Gamer, but I admire heroes that are Gamers that have been attacked yet they continue to be the ONLY large group to stand up against the will of the funded bullies.

  4. Up till the 60s married people use to have 5 to 8 children sometimes 14.

    When the feminist war began, married people stated to have 1 or 2.

    Now men and women -if- they Co- habit
    They have no children.

    In 50 years, everyone is for him/her self.
    What a great population control.
    Thank you feminists, you are the islamists best friend…now I know why moslems think one day they will rule the western world.

  5. Mr T.
    December 12th, 2014 at 3:22 am

    It is happening to the Islamists too. Why do you think that one of their promises to newly recruited fighters is a captured woman? Why do you think they are such crazed fighters? Their world order is breaking down.

    Wealth reduces birth rates. The tipping point 10 or 20 years ago was $4k per year. I have no idea what it is in today’s dollars.

    Now a look at who is actually reproducing in the first world. Jews in Israel. You can look it up.

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    A GamerGate primer:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/11/GamerGate-Anti-Bullying-Campaign-cost-Gawker-over-a-Million-Dollars

    The cost to Gawker Media of its ridicule and viciousness toward video gamers was “seven figures” in lost advertising revenue

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    As Rollo points out what we are seeing is a reversion to the mean after about 5,000 years give or take.

    But it is nothing new, “Taming Of The Shrew” looked at the upper classes of the time and the “empowered” females that occupied those classes. We have had harbingers.

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    I am slowly coming to the conclusion that men no longer need to be harnessed. We will be harnessing machines. We may even be coming to a time when selective abortion favors females.

    Red Pill may stem some of the tide. It may help men who want to maintain long term relations. But most men are constitutionally unsuited for game. Otherwise it would be 80/20 Alpha/Beta and not the other way around.

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    Birth control merely accelerated the trend. The real problem was mechanized agriculture. Abundant food. Jethro Tull.

    “His woman and his best friend…”

  6. We need more options. The invasion of male spaces,I think, has been the most brilliant move on the part of the FI. MGTOW, Game etc are basically the two paths available to men at this point- well, I guess you could also choose the path of head-in-the-sand-beta, but I think that quickly becomes impossible for any man who sees the current climate clearly.
    I think this may be the greatest motivator for the FI’s invasion and destruction of all male spaces- it basically not just keeps men from enlightening each other, but also keeps men from setting up systems that would support their needs.
    For a long time inn my twenties and early 30s, I, despite being a BP beta through and through, refused to get into any relationships.. looking back the reason was I had my music,my band and my best friend was still alive- so long as I got occasional sex, wanted for nothing. Looking back it was because my all male group basically provided me with all the emotional/social needs I had. It wasnt until my friend died, and, of course, the basssist got married and the band broke up that eventually found myself “needing” a relationship.
    The FI, for all its maliciousness, is brilliant. Men need to develop the same ruthlessness. It’s time the gloves come off and we start making this world convenient for us again. We are all being collectively cuckolded

  7. Hobbes
    December 12th, 2014 at 4:44 am

    IMO no matter what – the old life is not coming back. The conditions required

    continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

    are generally undesired – even by men. So who wants that kind of life today? The Islamists. And they are not very popular. They gain ground by violence not acclamation. And the beginnings of our robot armies are being deployed against them. Time is not on their side.

    The FI is here to stay and if you can’t stand having a GF who has slept around and may still have the inclination odds are you are not going to get one. If you want her to stop sleeping around you will have to master Game. And most men prefer to avoid the effort. Because the FI is not a whim. It is genetic. It requires continual effort.

    In many ways it is back to the fundamental rules. Sauve qui peut. Places like this are good on the margins. It has helped me improve my Game. But the best I think that can be done is 25/75. I don’t envision a time where 80/20 Alpha/Beta is the rule.

  8. Men aren’t dropping out of feminine-primary society, they’re adapting contingencies for it, learning workarounds, comparing notes, and a growing Red Pill awareness is at the heart of that adaptation

    Red Pill awareness and resulting contingencies and workarounds are equivalent to the birth and growth of a black market. When free economic activity is suppressed and penalized to the point that people are unable to get what they want/need, a black market always arises because “nature will not be thwarted for long.”

    MGTOW in all its forms and degrees = smugglers and pirates

  9. For the sake of accuracy (this is an important blog read by important people), the Marlowe quote was a summary statement of one of his conclusions by David de la Croix concerning this paper:

    Marlowe, Frank. 2000. “Paternal Investment and the Human Mating System.” Behavioural Processes 51:45–61.

    If any of the readers is an academic it would be most appreciated if a link could be provided to this paper as it is a seminal work in the field and very difficult to get a hold of.

  10. “Fhank you feminists, you are the islamists best friend…now I know why moslems think one day they will rule the western world.”

    Finally, someone got it! 🙂

  11. Niccolo Machiavelli
    December 12th, 2014 at 6:52 am

    Uh. I don’t think it will work out as you envision. The Islamists are in fact weak. They are trying to bring back an age long gone. The environment is not conducive to their endeavor. They are very good at 20th century warfare. Boots on the ground. But they are unprepared for 21st Century robots in the air.

    And on top of that great wealth everywhere militates against the culture they wish to revert to.

    It may take 20 or 30 years but they will be but a road stain when it comes to history. The caliphate is not coming back.

    And us? Well it is the usual. Twenty percent of men do not wish to have the Islamists take their women. They will defend the rest.

    A long time ago in a land far away I was one of the guardians. As nerdy as you can get and still be on the battle line. Nuke Reactor Operator. DLG(N)-25.

  12. To the extent that one sex invests more in offspring than the other, the one that does more investing sex is in short supply resulting in operational sex ratios greater than unity and competition for mates among members of the sex that does less investing. This public goods problem generates the third major trade-off: that between mating and parental effort. Sexual reproduction involves two components: finding a mate and achieving a mating, on the one hand, and investing in the resulting offspring to increase its viability, on the other.

    To the extent that there are gains from specialization in the two components, one sex will evolve to produce many small highly mobile gametes specialized to mating, and another will evolve to produce fewer larger gametes, specialized for energetic investments in offspring. Trivers (1972) recognized that these differences in relative parental investment affect the structure of mating markets and the characteristics of the more and less investing sexes. The more investing sex is selected to be choosy about when

    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10654&page=172

  13. M. Simon – “But they are unprepared for 21st Century robots in the air.”

    They aren’t capable of 20th century warfare either, and it’s a good thing they didn’t face it, and they’ll do just fine against robots so long as those robots are directed by the types of pussies that gave us a double loss in the GWOT. The greatest weapons are useless in the hands of those unwilling to use actually use them.

  14. Trivers’ parental investment model states that individuals facing higher levels of parental investment will become increasingly choosy in their choice of mates. For humans, this leads to two predictions. First, both males and females will be choosier in relationships more likely to lead to the production of children. Second, females will be choosier than are males, because their minimum risk of parental investment is higher. Previous studies of human mate choice found support for these predictions, with one curious exception: …….

    http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/1/57.full

  15. Given this, the phenomenon of human paternal in vestment is extraordinary and the focus of this chapter (see also Draper & Harpending, 1988; Flinn & Low, 1986; Geary, 2000; Geary & Flinn, 2001; Marlowe,2000). Human paternal investment is considered in terms of the benefits of providing care to children and the costs of investment from the males’ perspective, as well as cost-benefit trade-offs from the females’ perspective.

    http://web.missouri.edu/~gearyd/paternalinvest%5BChapFINAL%5D.pdf

  16. High stability, high security, lots of available food, low chance of being murdered or raped, begets feminine control. The less strength matters, the less being able to shoot or live off the land or build something of value matters, the more the civilization will be dominated by those born with people skills, the emotional, the manipulative, the useless in a fight. If you really want to return to women needing men, we need only have a civil war here again, one that touches every city, every state. The funny part is, I don’t think anyone will have to make this happen… I think it’s only a matter of time as feminine society slowly finds that fewer men are willing to build or contribute to keeping the place running when they get nothing but derision in return.

  17. Sisyphean

    December 12th, 2014 at 8:52 am

    That sounds about right, need something to just kill hypergamy and put FI in its place.

  18. “Fhank you feminists, you are the islamists best friend…now I know why moslems think one day they will rule the western world.”

    Finally, someone got it! 🙂

    As much as I believe the only real solution is putting women back in birkahs and stoning them to death if they are sluts, I have to concede that in the modern world that is probably never going to happen (unfortunately). Men raised in western culture who have daughters could never adopt a hardcore stance like that and no matter how sympathetic they might be to some men’s issues would still rather see men as a group locked up in concentration camps or bombed by robot drones from the air before ever endorsing any kind of serious consequences for their little angels hypergamy. Without SERIOUS consequences for women’s hypergamy there will be no way to stop it gathering momentum and crushing everything in its way. If you look at the last 60+ years as Rollo has said the trend has been one direction getting increasingly worse ever year. The majority of men given a choice would rather be mgcbtw (men getting cuckolded by their woman) then mgtow. So prepare to bow down even more to the feminine imperative.

  19. Another great piece, thanks Rollo. My thoughts:

    Male spaces – I remember falling in love with the game of golf when I was about 34. I was dragged out on a corporate golf outing, but luckily had a great caddy who showed me how to swing a bit. I hit a 7 iron 155 yards, dropping in 5 ft from the cup and I swear, it was the best thing that had happened to me in a long time. I bought clubs the next day and began taking lessons and playing in earnest.

    One of the things I quickly discovered was that this was a male domain. Cursing, farting, smoking, drinking, raunchiness, rough housing, arguing, insulting each other – all were on the table. By the early 2000s, I remember being out at a favorite public course with my regular foursome, and we were stuck behind a group of women when I realized it was no longer a male space as I watched these women waddling around, hitting from special tees with pathetic skill and form – but that wasn’t the worst of it. They had gotten to critical mass on the golf course by then and had changed the culture. Whereas in the past, I might be chasing one of my buddies down with the golf cart, screaming, “Git some” as he giddily tried to avoid the cart – now, well if I did that, some broad might call the cops. I couldn’t really just piss on the side of the fairway without much of a care either. The clubhouse was different – everything was different.

    And it made me angry. I felt like it was perhaps the one reprieve I had from female domination. I feel the same way about this space, which is why I get really tough on women here. And to the women here, if you can’t get that this is a male space, ask yourself this. How fucking stupid are you?

    Radical egalitarianism – I agree with the many other excellent points Rollo makes, but once again, Rollo’s distaste for politics leaves him with only partial answers. One has to ask themselves, where does this radical “equalism” come from? Even more precisely, where does this notion of morality/justice based on radical egalitarianism come from?

    My view is that we are seeing the rapid social change around us now because the FI has state and economic power in a way it never had before due to women voting and working. Funnily, the fembots will never mention that women control 80% of all household spending and 65% of investible assets in the U.S. Whereas before they were restricted to gynocentric devices such as chivalry and courtly, romantic love, now the political and economic arenas give them access to much greater power with which to express themselves.

    But still, this isn’t the whole story. The theoretical mechanics of “justice” that feminist Social Justice Warriors rely on is merely a specific instance of a general set of ideas that also drive the ‘racial justice’ and income inequality debates. Ditto for LGBT ideas about gender justice. This is not coincidental.

    I won’t tell the boring story about Lukacs and The New School for Social Research and the Frankfurt School – those of you who don’t know how marxism and socialism morphed into a critical stance and analysis of all culture instead of just a materialist “science”, well you have Google to help you out. Those of you who think bringing up such things is somehow a sign of paranoia or red baiting, I humbly submit that you have no idea what the fuck your are talking about.

    But it’s much more intricate than all that. In fact, the left had two major crises in the 20th century. The first was after WWI didn’t incite the masses to revolution here or in Europe, beyond Russia. And the Soviet Union was no picnic. Hence the development of cultural marxism. The second crisis came at the end of the ’60s in the West. Many Trotskyites and Maoists really believed in 1968 that the revolution was at hand across the major western countries. But it failed again.

    At that point, there was a intellectual crisis on the left. The truth about the Soviet Union and Stalin’s crimes had become to leech out, China’s brutality was becoming better known as well. The entire enterprise was drenched in blood and oppression. Many of its adherents in the West also saw themselves as intensely moral, and were deontologists who could not live with the conflicts of supporting such regimes.

    Then in 1971, John Rawls comes along with his A Theory of Justice. Fyi, this is what the entire pedagogy of Social Justice is based on. It’s like Marx’s Communist Manifesto is to Marxism. It posits a ludicrous system of calculating fairness and other aspects of redistributive justice that is informed by consequentialism and Mills and Kant – whatever, It’s nonsense. But in 1998 Bill Clinton awarded John Rawls The Medal of Freedom, claiming he had “saved democracy”.

    All the Progressives could jump on this bandwagon instantly. And the Marxists/Socialists saw this as a Fabian kind of step, a socialism lite. While it didn’t nationalize all property, it institutionalized the state as enforcing social and economic justice via the law and taxes etc in a way classical liberalism never permitted. This is how the Progressives, the “Liberals” and the Marxists/Socialists were all drawn together under one banner.

    Feminism uses the philosophical ideas of Marx, Rawls and many others to explicate and instrumentalize it’s ideas. Just consider it’s main feature: Breaking down society into victim/oppressor dyads. This materialistic (and reductionist) view of human relationships is straight up Marxism. The idea that true “justice” isn’t just equal treatment under the law and protection of our basic rights, but that it’s actually about legal, social and economic equality inherits from both Marx and Rawls. This is the framework upon which the RadFems built their epistemology. Of course, it’s much more complex than this, also drawing heavily on post-modern ideas about the nature of reason and structural/post structuralism – and many other abstruse calculations that they take to ridiculous extremes and fetishize.

    The left realized they had too much infighting 20 years ago. There was in fact a major battle between a major school of feminism and a major school of socialism. I’ve watched some of these debates and it’s essentially a whineathon about whether the Hegelian, materialist dialectic is in control or is it just the patriarchy? Does the patriarchry spawn capitalism, or vice versa? In other words, a bunch of fucking idiocy. But these kind of serious doctrinal squabbles were commonplace and diluted their efforts. The academics knew they had a political philosophy that “worked’ they just couldn’t unify around it.

    So, along comes “intersectionalism”. While yet another complex concept in and of itself, it gives rise to anarchists showing up at feminist rallies. It gives rise to radical feminists and marxists showing up in Ferguson. LGBT is intersectional. It’s interesting though, the racial justice folks are not so happy. Black people find themselves being told middle class white women are oppressed in ways similar to what blacks have suffered and they know that isn’t right. But they go along for the ride as it benefits their movement.

    This general framework has also built a powerbase in the administration of government and in our political system. Social Justice is presented now as a common denominator by Marxist revolutionaries like Van Jones and by your local high school teacher. Marx is presented as one of the three “fathers” of sociology. The classical liberal ideas that our nation was founded upon and that many of us innately believe are our’s to claim are discarded as “Neo-liberal” as my 21 yr old niece told me at Thanksgiving. Fyi, it’s like the Red Pill has simply snipped the wires to me getting angry at such people. She’s been steeped in a hardcore leftist ideology for 4 years intentionally by her parents. She’s a radfem by default. I think it bothers her that I don’t argue with her and instead just smile and move on.

    That’s where the mechanics of radical egalitarianism comes from. Of course, there is a much broader philosophical history of these ideas as well, and the left really is best seen as a schism from classical liberalism. But this is a valid view of how it all works. And without the politics of the broader left. the radical instrumentation of FI that we are now seeing never occurs.

    What’s perhaps most shocking about all of this is how patently falsifiable many of the SJW sets ideas are. Look across the landscape now. In the U.S. the left scrambles from headline to headline, hysterically constructing tortured “narratives” which perpetuate their victimization in increasingly shrill voices and with a greater sense of outrage. But many times, whether Ferguson or Tawana Brawley, the evidence just doesn’t bear the narrative out. It’s become ridiculous now. The UVA and the Lena Dunham false rape allegations were ridiculous on their faces and had no susbstantive evidence to back them up. Why is this happening? I think it’s that they realize that they pay very little price for it, and the upside is very big. If they can dominate the headlines, that’s all that matters.

    More to the point, ff you understand that they are always about “the big picture” to begin with, then you understand why any particular instance can be off a bit while the larger narrative is never damaged. They already “know” the larger narrative is true and are simply cherry picking like rabid hyenas for every single “case” they can make to bolster their pre-existing narrative. Another part of what’s going on here is that the left is finally exposing more the narrative they’ve been having in academia for decades. None of these ideas are tentative or hypothetical to radfems – they are are true and have been discussed in their circles for decades. All of our reactions are seen through a Marxist lens of us trying to hang on to our power. Post modernism means that my arguments can be discarded without considering them. Post structuralism grants even more license to simply make it up as you go along.

    Without all this, the FI has far less power. But note now that the melange of leftism is uniformly in lock step with radfeminism across the board. And it’s women who run and staff the social justice movement, not men. Women dominate in these fields academically and now in govt and NGOs and political activism. They insinuate the FI into everything they do. That’s how we got here.

    The solution? I don’t have one and don’t give a shit anymore. My purpose in life is to make as much cash as I can, get as much ass as I can and to have a really good time in this life for as long as I can. I’m no longer angry about any of it. As I’ve said before, why shouldn’t I live in a society that may be in decline? Why should i not live in a society colored by the FI?

    I am adaptive and resilient – these are the traits I cultivate in myself and this is what some men are doing. I think most men are not though. They’d rather see themselves as victims – like the MRM. Or just stay angry and hurt like MGTOW. Have at it guys, but I’d rather be happy and really free to move among women and deal with them easily. I’d rather just see the world for what it is and make my life work. Game and self improvement and Red Pill awareness are all skills in that kitbag for me as I adapt and pursue my ends relentlessly. I no longer am unhappy with life, women are not a mystery to me and no, they didn’t even set out to fuck me up in the way that some of them have. After all, we are all meatsacks with programming, and not just sentient beings. We are all acting out of biology and culture that none of us can escape. And I spent too much of my life “fighting” against things. Now I just want to enjoy life. And after all, this is what this shit society deserves – let women carry the ball for a while, it will all end badly But I’ll probably be dead by then.

    Just sayin’…

  20. Every once in a while I read the Misandry bubble as a reminder of one idea of what could happen. Then I reflect and think to myself, nahh, that’s all a bit overcooked. Then Rollo goes and does a post like this and I go back and actually give it a little bit more weight in my mind.

    As a Red Pill Guy, I have to be aware of my own potential ego-investment in the idea of something like the Misandry bubble coming to pass, or my secret longing for the world to shit itself and for things to go backwards such that “natural order” restores itself somewhat, so that traditional masculinity and traditionally masculine skills have far more cultural currency than today. The reality is, what is happening now is natural order, for it all happens in cycles, back and forth like a pendulum, society moving back and forth over time and space between different forces and states of balance. It feels like the pendulum is getting to the top of it’s arc, but its very difficult to say really.

    To speculate, I don’t think there will some kind of revolution that really points at the FI and says, “”It was them!! burn them!!!” because as Rollo has pointed out, the FI’s greatest strength is turning weakness to strength, strength to weakness, and being a morphing shapeless target. I think we will never see political players point fingers at the FI as it will be a career ending move in democracies. Rather we will see cultural signs and markers that spotlight the harms done unto men and society by all of this through movies like fight club. Gradually more men will wake up to what is being perpetrated and in this age of information, more men will find the red pill. As that happens we will see desperate attempts as we already do to hijack the RP and make it purple. The best we can do I think is try to maintain and dialogue of high purity shall we say in regards to making observations of society and the truth it presents to us.

    Until Western governments repeatedly bankrupt themselves with massive entitlement economies and face the hard truth that the past hundred years of accumulated benefits bestowed upon women are killing all of us, we’ll simply have to wait for things to keep getting worse before they get any better.

    I am glad I am getting to the age where I am finding my interest in women to be more of a distraction and burden than a source of entertainment or pleasure. I welcome the freedom it will offer my psyche and how it will allow me to step a bit further back and to gain some greater perspective.

    Interesting times ahead. It’s going to end in tears for sure.

  21. “Relationships are complicated and take communication and work.”

    Red Pill translation: “She needs a man to manage her emotional chemistry” See my blog post about relationships.

  22. M Simon
    December 12th, 2014 at 5:20 am

    “IMO no matter what – the old life is not coming back.”

    I don’t think this model is sustainable, something will have to happen at some point.

  23. Bango Tango
    December 12th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Men used to be so good at understanding nature and working with it. And now you propose fighting it on unfavorable ground?

    You want women to fall in line? Then men must endeavor to be uncivilized again.

    We must institutionalize a life of continual fear and danger of violent death. Poor, nasty, brutish, and short. Then men will again be in their rightful place in the order of things.

    ======================

    Nostalgia for what was is not going to return us to those thrilling days of yesteryear.

    Hypergamy is the natural order. Monogamy is unnatural and can only be kept in place by difficult conditions. But not too difficult. Monogamy has to be the best chice for women. That is no longer the case.

    If you want to do a lot of f*cking become an arrogant Alpha with all the effort that entails. Otherwise save the effort and hire a hooker when you can afford it. She will pretend to love you for an hour. “Normal” women these days won’t even pretend that for a minute. The best you can hope for (if you are good at Game) is that she will want you more than anyone else she has met so far.

    Red Pill Reality.

  24. TAnon
    December 12th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    I agree. We will need to find a new model. But that is up to men.

    And men will have to take woman’s nature into account. Nostalgia for a lost civilization retards that.

    The one thing that is achievable is DNA testing of the children so that no AFC is forced to support offspring not his. That is doable. If men united around it.

  25. Brett
    December 12th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    …need something to just kill hypergamy and put FI in its place.

    You are forgetting that it is genetic and that FI/hypergamy is the best strategy for women. So good it is inborn. And gets passed down.

    Too much blaming of women. Do we blame hungry tigers for eating people? Or adapt to that as best we can?

    We are going to have to adapt to women in a rich society. I don’t think being poor is the answer. Even if we could do it.

    Women have the vote and outnumber us.

    NEXT

    Whatever the solution is it is not currently on the horizon. Learn Game – is an individual defense. And for now that is what YOU can do. All of you.

    Maybe a society with 80% Male Alpha Game is possible. IF you could get the Betas to want to work that hard. Doubtful.

  26. For those of you who haven’t read it:

    http://www.singularity2050.com/2012/06/a-first-quarter-poll-on-the-misandry-bubble.html

    Which links back to “The Misandry Bubble”.

    As to Western Governments going bankrupt: doubtful. We are on the threshold of so many advances that I think such a thing is unlikely.

    Just for one – full exploitation of cannabinoids in medicine could save $1 trillion a year in the USA alone.

    Nuclear fusion – It may be closer than you think. And lots of other stuff.

  27. In respect of thwarting MGTOW, and the availability of porn as an alternative to female companionship, we see the collaboration of a tradcon male and some feminist academics who would criminalize the transmission of pornography (which they deem universally demeaning and degrading to women, and promoting violence against women). They deem it now a ‘public health’ crisis, which is also a 2nd Amendment rhetorical workaround the gun controllers use.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/11/pornography-use-affects-real-relationships/?page=all#pagebreak

  28. M Simon
    December 12th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    “Maybe a society with 80% Male Alpha Game is possible.”

    But is Alpha/Beta a dichotomy? Isn’t it more of a spectrum? With more and more men learning game wouldnt the bar just keep rising?

  29. “…so too will Red Pill awareness become more mainstream. Men aren’t dropping out of feminine-primary society, they’re adapting contingencies for it, learning workarounds, comparing notes, and a growing Red Pill awareness is at the heart of that adaptation, even for men who’ve never heard of it.”

    That’s the most inspirational quote I’ve seen here so far. And too true. As Hobbes said…the gloves have to come off. And they are.

    My eyes have been opened a bit uncomfortably to what’s going on in social media. Since reading all of the stuff here on RM so many things have become crystal clear: one thing being that the stuff I see girls posting on Facebook is beyond unbelievable.

    I see ‘nice guy’ memes and comics popping up all over the place, mocking how ‘nice guys’ think they deserve sex for being nice to girls, and girls complaining about ‘creepy’ guys hitting on them. Captioned pictures about domestic abuse and rape as if they’re the hallmark of American society, and the most major problem America needs to address.

    Videos of pussified male feminine apologists that spend the whole time looking at the camera like they’re about to break down crying. Where the hell is Clint Eastwood when you need him.

    And of course with tons of ‘likes’ and mangina, feminist-primary comments from all the beta orbiters, that echo things like:

    ‘can’t believe guys think like this’
    ‘most men are pigs’
    ‘men need to wake the fuck up’

    …and perhaps the absolute worst are things like:

    ‘you go girl’ or ‘preach it, girl.’ From MEN. MEN are writing things like this.

    It’s enough to make me puke in my mouth, and it also makes me think these guys seriously need to be punched in the face and asked what the fuck is wrong with them — and are they proud that they wish they had a vagina, or do they see any value in acknowledging that they have a dick?

    More men are getting screwed over more frequently, going completely sexually deprived, etc. — a man can only take so much of that before he wises up. And the more traction the FI gains in the media, the more Red Pill awareness is rising up to counter it.

    I found this blog after all by doing research on my own to try to find answers to my questions about why nothing I was doing was working with girls. As Red Pill knowledge spreads, more men will start to *actually* wake up to the reality that they’re men, and that they’re really the ones who’ve been getting the raw deal from day one. And the more awareness of the situation, the lower the tolerance threshold for the situation becomes. It’s only a matter of time.

  30. Softek
    December 12th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    “From MEN. MEN are writing things like this.”

    Well, in the end it is men that gave women rights (regardless if a certain group had a hand in it).

  31. The hard work may not need to be more than calling out the crap that’s happening as is. Be vocal about all that was wrong with the Rolling Stone article and don’t allow that to morph into how the truthfulness some how doesn’t matter because the “epidemic” of college rape is being looked at. Point out how asking for he for she and whatever other appeals for men to facilitate women’s needs or feelings of safety is asking for patriarchy. If you decide a career goal to avoid a bowling shirt, you weren’t going to make it anyway.
    Like the quote from Goering about making people believe they’re under attack, the harassment video, the drunk girl video, the Rolling Stone story, could be all part of the plan.

  32. Great article Rollo. What the current situation does is show the nature of human relations in its true light. While it destroys the blue pill bubble, I don’t think that it automatically makes one a hedonist. We can enjoy the physical and emotional intimacy with women while understanding that it only represents today. It comes down to living and appreciating life one moment at a time no matter what it brings. Once we stop investing ourselves in virgin fantasies (although a low N woman is a must for any serious LTR) we can enjoy people as they are without the burden of preconceptions. As far as marriage, the only reason to do it is to have children, and I am now a believer that there is no reason to marry the woman. It is very much a transactional situation and should be treated as such. If she divorces you in 15 years then at least all you pay is child support with no loss of assets or spousal support. That is the only way to approach it now.

  33. Good article.

    THe point to me is that we’ve transitioned almost completely away from men having any real social power as men. Hypergamy is no longer simply a feature of women that served to get her the best man she could get. Hypergamy now is a societal pillar, a foundational element, an organic basis of the social order. We see this in Sandberg’s statement arguing for the institutionalization of alpha fux, beta bux.

    And it won’t be necessarily set in stone, but AFBB is already firmly acculturated, meaning it is just the way it’s done now. It’s de rigueur for women to enjoy their 20s with the most attractive men they can find, then scramble to marry at around 30, give or take a couple of years. This is literally everywhere.

    What’s most interesting to me is a female-primary social order in which one of its foundational pillars is female sex and sexual behavior. I suppose it’s to be expected when we have the matriarchy and hypergamy supplanting and replacing the evil, hated patriarchy. But, it’s particularly remarkable given how we are constantly told that women are the more genteel and refined and acculturated sex when it comes to sexual conduct. Yes, we’re told, women never ever resort to base or feral or slutty conduct when it comes to sex. Yet we know they do, and it’s the same for all women across the board, of all ages and faith traditions — have sex with the sexiest men they can find; then secure their beta bux when it’s time to cash in and have kids.

    We see this from a certain female blogger who just yesterday recalled her dumb BMOC college boyfriend. She was glad to be his girlfriend for 3 years. But she’s glad she didn’t marry him, because he would have given her dumb sons. Expect much, much more of this from the years to come.

    The results will be

    1. cratering birth rates (we’re already at less than replacement).
    2. increasing divorce rates and reducing marriage rates
    3. Cratering remarriage rates for men (we’re already there)
    4. severely diminished male productivity (why produce when all you need is to support yourself; you have no chance of marrying and will never have children)
    5. Increasing calls to man up and marry the sluts, increasing cris de coeur of “where are all the good men”

  34. “The Feminine Imperative isn’t interested in anything like an idealized state of egalitarian equalism between the sexes; it is only interested in unilateral, uncontested, and socially assured optimization of women’s Hypergamy.”

    “So long as women are subject to innate hypergamous influences there can never be a socialized state of egalitarian equalism between men and women. By its very nature the Feminine Imperative will always seek an unequal state – maximal restriction of male sexuality and maximal unrestriction of optimized feminine Hypergamy.”

    Every man should have this engraved into hi subconscious and always have it as a mantra in his daily life. Our sons’ should be raised knowing this.

    Great post brother,

  35. “…doesn’t matter because the ‘epidemic’ of college rape is being looked at”

    also point out there is no epidemic

    see report now out: Rape and Sexual Assault Victimization Among College-Age Females, 1995–2013

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf

    “rate of rape and sexual assault was 1.2 times higher for non-students (7.6 per 1,000) than for students (6.1 per 1,000)”

  36. When you say men are adapting to the changing society, you’re talking about middle-aged men, right? Because I spend mosto f my time with young men and they aren’t adapting to anything. They’re pursuing young women. Men will never stop chasing after women. Its human nature. Most men cannot live without female approval and MGTOW will never work out because those guys are old and no one wants them anyway.

    You honestly believe that any young guy is going to reject women/stop chasing after them because women are ”hypergamous” and can rack up the numbers of sexual partners in a very short amount of time? Ahahaha, I know one chick who’s claimed to have slept with 100 guys(probably more, no?) and every guy is tripping on their own dicks to get to her, and if you think this only applies to hot, young women, you’re deeply mistaken.

    As for hypergamy.. please. I’m a guy and I can say that most guys my age are ugly and most of the guys who are older are even more ugly. Of course women are going to chase after men who are better-looking than the sorry lot we have laying around, and some women are willing to put out in exchange of money or social status, yes.

    But if you think a gender revolution is going to happen and overthrow the matiarchy, you are pretty wrong. Pussy rules supreme. Men spend half of their life chasing pussy and then spending the rest of their lives paying up for the pussy some other dude had for free when she was std-free, hot and carefree, ahahah.

    And I’m not talking about ”PUAs” or ”bad boys.” Good-looking men get all of the sex and do none of the pay.

    ”So long as women are subject to innate hypergamous influences there can never be a socialized state of egalitarian equalism between men and women. By its very nature the Feminine Imperative will always seek an unequal state – maximal restriction of male sexuality and maximal unrestriction of optimized feminine Hypergamy. The persistence of pressing the idea that equalism between the sexes is a realizable goal state is necessary to achieve those maximized / optimized conditions.”

    That’s easy to solve. Don’t you people pull out a teeth if its spoiled? You want to get laid but you can’t? get your testicles chopped off. You won’t have to shave your face ever again and no more sexual frustration. I can control my sex drive just fine, but I do know of one guy who removed his balls from his own free will and he’s having the best time of his life.

    And yes, women don’t owe men sex, as men don’t owe attention or protection or financial resources to women. I refuse to make eye contact with women when they try to get me to pay attention to them, which is everyday, and if I have to interact with women I keep it short and direct. I don’t smile, I am not nice to them and I don’t bother them. Works pretty well for me. I’m mid 20s. I’ve grown past the hormonal years although I’m perfecty healthy and I’m not a closeted homosexual. Why are you guys in your 40s and 50s so obssessed with women and with what women can or can’t do?

  37. Great post and great comments. Although i do not have the ability to say all of above so eloquently, which in past frustrated me to no end, now i am glad to see that you guys can do it for me.
    With all of being said i do not believe that any prediction or speculation of future development is accurate. Just consider how much crap is coming every day. We may not be surprised but did we expect it? It may be that that in it’s core we have full understanding of the matter but still we are actually not prepared for never ending stream of shit coming at us.
    One thing I hate most is that so many men are coming along with it. It is also disheartening that it is politically so much connected to the left.
    For now we are screwed.

  38. I have determined there are two deeply ingrained instincts in women, deep, deep down in the functional wiring of them similar to the way that they might see the color red, or how they might interpret the notion 2+2, and in the case of one these instincts, in the same manner that vommit or feces repulses them. These are not learned instincts in the least, they are inherent, foundational in how they receive the stimuli of the world, process it, and form values, judgement, and action.

    The first is a deep fundamental entitlement to access to all forms of cooperation and support from men. They cannot fathom any other way. It is so ingrained in each of them that it is collectively expressed as a given among women.

    I almost cannot propose an analog in men. The best I can think of is perhaps if I suggested to a group of men that they would all be happier if they were castrated, just had their balls cut off. Then without the hormonal sex drive then would lose sexual tension, and other more easily supplied natural drives would take the place, like a dog. “What time is dinner?” becomes the more important question.

    In women’s web forums, this entitlement is expressed as a chorus. “You pay now”, like the Chinese waitress says when she places the check on the table. “You pay now”. End of discussion. Any other alternative, that a man does not “Pay Now”, invokes two different circuits in the individual woman’s brain and in the collective consciousness of women.

    Inability to pay invokes disgust, and this disgust causes women to have no sympathy for the man that cannot “Pay Now”. You can see this in the collective dismissal of whole segments of men, men that cannot “Pay Now”. The first level, the instinctive knee jerk reaction of women, for dismissal of MGTOW as a movement, or any MRA complaint, more recently of GamerGate was “Fuck those losers. They don’t matter.” And it forms the first level of collective attack on those movements. “Mark Minter is a basement dweller who cannot Pay Now, so fuck him and what he says.” And men buy into this attitude also; they reinforce and support the collective expectation that Men Pay Now.

    The second circuit invoked is when men avoid paying. This circuit invokes the Cheater Detection circuitry, located in the brain adjacent to visual circuitry. Almost before visual stimulation get outs in to another “data lookup” for processing, it is filtered through Cheater Detection. It invokes both the disgust and anger processing. Roissy pointed in yesterdays to post to a Psychology Today article on “How to Spot a Manipulator”. The article warned of “symptoms”, Dark Triad stuff. And Roissy pointed out that this was like warning men about “thin, sexy, hot women” because those are the traits that draw women. But in reading the Phd Lady Psychologist’s essay, the labeling of “Manipulator” came when even though the lady was attracted by traits, the possessor of those traits became “Manipulative” when he didn’t Pay Now. Cads don’t pay and thus they are Cads. They violate the primal Mating for Provisioning covenant, in the modern sense not committing to Gynocentric Committed Relationship. “Gynocentric” is red lined in Spell Checker. To say Gynocentric Committed Relationship to women is like saying Circular Circle. The cheater detection circuitry is triggered by Cheaters far deeper, far more instrinsic, far more emotional, than any “value” given to men that Can and Do Pay NOW. “Can/Will/Did He/They Pay NOW” is fundamentally key in assessing value for women of individual men and collective groups. It takes no prompting, no social preparation, no cultural programming.

    But to me, the second base instinct is an even deeper instinct that is manifested at the Gene level. Genes are motherfuckers. Think “Virus”. They are the smartest little motherfuckers in the world when it comes to replicating themselves in a manner that creates the best “fitness”. Deeply ingrained in women, deeply subconscious, is the innate desire for the best genes, but more driving and important is exclusion of any genes other than the best genes. This is beyond the conscious control of females of all species and drives any and all of their behavior.

    In the past, I introduced the numerical results of a study titled something like “Male Trait Preferences of Females in Short/Long/Ovulatory Contexts”. And for me it was seminal. The anecdotal observations of the Manosphere were of what traits were preferred and then the negative determined of those traits that were not preferred, in that those traits were not the basis of selection. The study verified the collective body of observations, and did so with numerical values assigned to the strength of each trait in Female Preference.

    What was significant to me in this study, and foundational, was that the Preferred Traits had significantly lower positive values attached to them than the Negative Traits had negative values. Like 200% more negative than the highest of positives. This says they hate what they hate more than they like what they like. And this is recorded over and over in the body of Manosphere observations. The man to whom a woman is attracted receives a tepid approval; BUT THE MAN TO WHOM SHE IS NOT ATTRACTED IS RUDELY REBUKED. And without guilt on her part. It would be like apologizing for yanking her hand away from fire.

    And furthermore, the traits they “like” are illogical when one would consider what traits they should be attracted to. Especially when the traits they dislike are the traits that comprise socially cooperative behavior, that a society that wished cohesion and advanced development should promoted and celebrate these traits, yet women despise them in men and then collectively punish men who display these traits.

    Those men that do not score high in those traits invoke at best, antipathy in women, and possibly, visceral repulsion, and most likely, fear and hate, in a deeply subliminal manner. You can see this shown over and over in data and behavior. Geneticists have noted, the current human gene pool shows that over 80% of all the female genes were passed on, only 40% of men. The Manosphere has a Cardinal Maxim, the Pareto 20% of men/80% of women. Some recent article said “Women say 80% of men on OKCupid are Zeros”, fucking zero. Even in the cruelest, jerkboy assessment of the widespread Fattitude and unattractive reality of most women, we never use Zero for anything other than perhaps those Extremely Obese classified women.

    This antipathy creates a fear of men that is often without logic, driving women to lock and secure doors at noon, broad daylight, in areas with literally no history of crime, and to get frantic when said door is left unlocked by the man who reasonably assesses the probability of zero for threat. It causes women to hate and fear men on sight, without any reason for doing so, to have and fear men, in public, in broad daylight, men of whom the vast, vast majority of them pass her with little more than a gaze, women who fear men yet have never known anything from men but protection, kindness, courtesy, and often Chivalry. It causes them fear when walking in the hallway in a well lit, super secure building, with vetted and approved men, fear when they enter elevators, even though access to and from the elevator is controlled, the interior monitored by camera. It causes them fear when really the only thing to fear is the fear itself.

    I state this innate Antipathy is so ingrained, so deep, so prevalent in women, that it biases their perception of the world, that it is the first filter for them, and it creates a deep and fundamental prejudice towards men, one that is entirely illogical, and it leads to structural oppression of men.

    Take Rape Culture. Specifically UVa. The most farfetched story, one without any real basis in what women say day to day from White Men, especially well educated, middle and upper class white men, that of an institutional sanctioned rape, a first class felony, a rite of initiation into an upper class all male organization, some Frat Version of a Satanic Ritual, a story in retrospect, so full of wholes, so easy to verify, one that indicted a significant institution of higher learning, one of a class so committed shitting on the overall rights and existence of men, that indicted a tradition of men’s group that produce men that go on to be constructive and significant members of the “YOU PAY NOW” ethic, all on the word of one girl who refused to give any names, evidence, anything other than her version. And major MSM publication after the publication, hurled this story out into the public, …

    And it was readily accepted, readily. Anyone that questioned it, was screamed down. “Idiots”, said Jezebel. Even when shown as false, the screams continued about “Well, we still should believe …” Even the widespread male response to the Rape Culture has been Fake Rape Culture, then when women drag out “Smokingest” of “Smoking Guns” of proof a Frat/White Male Rape Culture and it turns out to be literally the “50 Shards of Glass” fantasy coupled with an Extreme HPD driven motive from Jackie, the collective of women still deep deep down don’t believe it.

    And during the first weeks of the story, wholesale infringement on the rights of men and organizations, denial of the right of Due Process, right of free assembly, even the fucking right to have dignity as a male citizen, especially as a male student at a university were driven down on men, in a wholesale cultural, governmental, and institutional manner.

    To this is so deeply ingrained in women, that is poses a deep threat to the rights of men, creates bias in society, in government, in employment and education, in the courts and the law, ….

    That it constitutes something similar to Civil Rights.

    What Rollo calls Socialized Hypergamy, to me has the flip side, that entails the repression of what I am calling Sexual Rights. Not Gender rights. But Sexual rights. Exactly because the basis of the prejudice is not based on the male sexual behavior, but rather it is based on the female fear and antipathy towards a class of men based on Sex and Reproduction. And they believe their fear and feelings supersedes the natural, civil, and sexual rights of men.

    And many of the metaphors of Civil Rights can be invoked. This natural and sexually ingrained antipathy and prejudice of women for the majority of men colors judgement and influences the culture, society, and its laws against men. And it has created a bias and a defacto segregation, some could say a coming Aparthied that shits on the rights of men as a class. It limits not only access and participation in Education and Academia, that literally creates a hostile environment and teaching method that favors females over males, expels and punishes men and boys, and limits their opportunity in life. It imposes behaviors at work on men, creates an exclusionary environment for men, gives women not just a protected, but a preferred and privileged status over men. And surely it has created law, in manners fiscal, regulatory and behavioral, both criminal and civil, bias in the eyes of government, academia, police, courts, corporations, fuck you name it.

    I would state that what Black Men see as Racial bias is actually more a component of Sexual bias. I could write and write on situation after situation where this bias, fuck bias, this hatred has come to bear. And I probably will, but not now. But in addition to Rape Culture, two more come to mind, the Brady Rule of Sexual Harassment in the Workplace and Street Harassment, the attempted to pull protected status of women against “low status men” from the workplace out into greater society.

    So what Rollo calls Socialized Hypergamy to me is the drive to institutionalize and socialize into the culture and the law the combination of these two ingrained biases in women, You Pay Now and #HateAllMen.

    My opinion is that this bias needs to addressed in the courts in the same manner as Civil Rights. That it need be recognized under the law, in a manner as real, as demonstrable, as pervasive, as oppressive as Civil Rights. And that institutions needs to recognize this, revise policy to prohibit it, and even search their institutional soul for existence of it, and move to stamp it out.

    It is attempt to create a stratified society based on Sex and the Social Aspects of Sexual and Reproductive Behaviors, one that favors all women, limits participation to some men punishable and enforced in the law, then excludes all others and denies these men the possibility of participating in relationships key to fundamental happiness in life.

    You, dear Reader, are probably included in that excluded group if women have their way.

  39. ”Every man should have this engraved into hi subconscious and always have it as a mantra in his daily life. Our sons’ should be raised knowing this.”

    Man, only a handful of men are worth anything. The great men of history, the male models, the football stars, the Brad Pitts and the Tom Cruises of the world. The rest of us exist to make women’s lives as comfortable as possible. One thing I learned when I was a teenager is that regardless of what I achieve, I will never be anything to half of the human population because i’m not handsome. So I don’t worry about anything and I live my life like I want to live it. If that measn getting high on quality drugs, so be it. If that means getting drunk and playing video games all night long and going to college/work afterwards for an important exam, so it happens.

    I’m never going to have a family or a girlfriend and I’m not handsome, which means that One-night stands and FWBS are not a possibility. I’m not really concerned. I’m having fun and enjoying my life. Would I like to get my dick sucked once in a while? Sure, but from what I’ve seen average-looking men do a lot of pay and they put up with a lot of BS just to get a date, LOL. I’ll pass on that. Tell your sons that women don’t give a shit about them. Also tell them that they’ll never be cheated on, they won’t catch stds, they won’t have to pay alimony nor child-support.

    It works out for the two sexes on planet earth.

  40. After reading Milo’s article I just snigger at the way the FI is constantly pushing the whole idea that women are ‘stronger’ or ‘better’ than us….shit is laughable, inordinately stupefying lack of awareness.

  41. The first is a deep fundamental entitlement to access to all forms of cooperation and support from men. They cannot fathom any other way. It is so ingrained in each of them that it is collectively expressed as a given among women.”

    This is true. During my first year in college I met a French-Canadian girl, she was attractive and had long dark hair with long legs and very white skin with incredibly blue eyes. Obviously I figured this girl was trouble on heels and although I was pleasant to her when I first met her, I realized that I would end up like one of those orbiters who spend their days spending their resources on chicks they’ll never have a date with, let alone bang, and I stopped interacting with her.

    3 weeks after my decision i was doing my groceries when I stumbled onto her. Oh man, she was so dramatic and angry, making a scene in front of so many people, saying I stopped talking to her and that she was angry at me and that I was treating her in a manner she didn’t deserve. I know, right? A guy can’t even think of himself first, he has to put the needs of a woman who has boyfriends and endless orbiters first because her feelings are far more important than your mental health lol.

    Anyway, I laughed it off and told her I had to go to work. Never saw her again, but the same thing happened with average/fit women. The irony is that I wasn’t attracted to the women in question. I just didn’t see the point of giving attention to women if I’m not getting anything in return.

    ”I almost cannot propose an analog in men. The best I can think of is perhaps if I suggested to a group of men that they would all be happier if they were castrated, just had their balls cut off. Then without the hormonal sex drive then would lose sexual tension, and other more easily supplied natural drives would take the place, like a dog. “What time is dinner?” becomes the more important question.”

    I remember how life was so much fun before I become sexually mature. I would spend all my time playing football and baseball, and I couldn’t care less about women. A kid turns into a teenager, and every teenager girl is using you as her playground to sharpen her claws for when she meets a good-looking guy and women past the age of 18 want to extract from you, resources, time, money, and protection. Come on, man, I never felt like I was entitled to sex or female attention, it sure makes me laugh when I see all these hussies acting like I’m their surrogate boyfriends because we spend a hour or two together waiting for the next class LOL.

    We would be so much better if, at age 16, after figuring out who is handsome or not, we’d get castrated. We could take the chemical castration injection. Or we could turn gay. It worked for the Ancient Greeks.

  42. @ LiveFearless

    Well said…We adapt!

    “She brought up her friends, saying, “most of my girlfriends are wonderful women with so much to give. They are independent and strong and do not need a man to take advantage of. Most women I know want to raise a family and take care of a man. Relationships are complicated and take communication and work.””

    FI INGSOC delusion/anthem…

  43. @Hobbes – “Men need to develop the same ruthlessness.”
    Indeed…

    I remember Helen Smith, on an interview, saying something to the effect of, one day men will get tired of putting up with all this FI business…that day, in all its forms, is fast approaching.

  44. Mark Minter
    December 12th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    “My opinion is that this bias needs to addressed in the courts in the same manner as Civil Rights. That it need be recognized under the law, in a manner as real, as demonstrable, as pervasive, as oppressive as Civil Rights. And that institutions needs to recognize this, revise policy to prohibit it, and even search their institutional soul for existence of it, and move to stamp it out.”

    You’re forgetting something. You live in a democracy where women can vote.

  45. Redlight – Such a great link. But the facts don’t matter. To those here who think they can argue women into a state of reasonableness, I suggest you talk to the old married guys here. Never works. Ever.

    I guess I just accept it. For me the most important Red Pill truth is this. Women choose. Men compete for sex with them – it’s an innate power imbalance in our social system. What really made me be okay with that is recognizing that all of life is a competition of sorts. I mean, why should I whine that women want to fuck hot guys? Men do sexual selection too, high SMV guys don’t fuck down a lot. I turned down many a so-so looking girl in my life – and if you ever want to see a woman pissed, just turn her advances down. Screaming, crying, insults – if men behaved as they did…

  46. The solution is simple.

    What kept this in check before?

    Answer: fire and brimstone severely conservative Christianity.

    The regain of that, NOT howdy doody Joel Osteen(!), is what will work.

    “civil rights” cannot hold a candel to Jonathan Edwards

  47. @ CountingStars – I hear you brother. Be selfish.
    Don’t think I’m casting pussy aside tho’…:) whether I pay for it or game women to put it in my hand. I will do me regardless.
    It is great being awake!

  48. Yes. Feminist movement is destroying the society by destroying families, and there you have it, a failed state.
    How long it will take? Another 100 years?.
    Yeah, keep on destroying men.

  49. ” then excludes all others and denies these men the possibility of participating in relationships key to fundamental happiness in life.”

    Dude, I’ve read your long-winded rant and I gotta say that as a young man, I am not entitled to sex. I know that its hard to undertstand that, but men aren’t owed any woman. If you read any literature from, I dunno, any friking century, you’ll realize that even the super hot dudes like Siegfried and Lancelot had to win over the chick they wanted. And even super Alpha males like King Arthur who was both very handsome, masculine and had the highest social status around was still cheated on.

    If a super Alpha male has to kill dragons for a hot young chick, then its only natural for a man to need to be above average to attract average women. I don’t know man, go for below average women? I know men aren’t attracted to below average woman but what woman is attracted to the average man? LOL.

    I go to college and I never felt like I was being oppressed. Yes, I’ve never gotten laid in college and I doubt I’ll ever get laid because I’m not interested in relationships and that’s the only way non-hot guys have to get laid, and I was surrounded by very attractive young things in diminutive clothes. You kinda get used to it after a week or two?

    College is also a great way to grow yourself immune to female beauty. And if you play it smart you can have a good life without any problems just as long as you avoid women. Men don’t need relationships with women to be happy and healthy. I have an uncle who is near 50 and the guy never had a relationship, nor is he gay. He just calculated how expensive it’d be to get laid by non-hookers and he decided to save up his money by not going to hookers. He’s a well-grounded, emotionally stable guy.

    Don’t say things like that. White men in the western world have it the best. We aren’t raped, we don’t have to worry for our lives, we arent’ being sent to the desert because we offended the Prophet, and we have plenty of food, doctors, clean/free water and a great and varied many ways of spending our free time. Relationships aren’t essential to a man’s life. We don’t need women. For reproduction, sure.

    For the moment. But I’ve met many women in my life and trust me, women you’ve been around and even the hottest are boring and annoying. You just don’t see that because you’re busy staring at their tits.

  50. ”Welcome back Princess. I keep telling you, there’s no need to spoof the comments, it’s an open forum.
    Bonus points for impersonating a man this time though.”

    lol dude, that paranoia. I would text you dick picks but I don’t swing that way, and if I did, there are plenty of hot guys in their 20s I know of. I know its hard to consider this but a guy can still be a man while staying away from the herd. Which is what the red-pill/mgtow movement is. A bunch of guys who are rejected by women and band-up to whine on how harsh life is and how they are entitled to women.

    What I find really hilarious is that this mostly happens to middle-aged men. Young men either keep trying and trying or they give up and move on to porn and video games, but I surely have never heard a 18-35 year old guy talk about the matriarchy and the biological imperative ”ALL” women have to only want the best-looking man, when the truth is that most guys would act the same way if we could.

    And that is what happens. Good-looking men spin the pussy-bottle until the end of their days, average-looking men either attach themselves to one willing-woman and hope she’ll never dump him, or they’ll keep hounding women hoping she’ll put out.

    Very few men ever break away from thinking about women. Even though I am mostly rid of the desire to partner up or to have sex, I still have a few times per month when I am attracted to a chick – which I avoid until the desire dissipates. But hell, i’m young and brimming with hormones. Men past the age of 40 shouldn’t concern themselves with getting laid, let alone with women who are half their age LOL.

    How you doing, Uncle Rollo? Wanna visit my College to see who is getting laid? All of the good-looking men, none of the ”PUAs” ahaha.

  51. “The MGTOW movement (such as it is) is a good example of this adaptation, but even men going their own way are still directly and indirectly subject “
    I can see the ShakyCam drone footage now, as a ticker tape plays bogus rape stats below the talking head.
    “MigTows discovered hiding Rapists in backwoods cabins!”
    “MigTow: The underground railroad for Misogynists”
    “MigTows infiltrate the working class; The President must act at once!”
    “Any man not in a relationship with either a Gay or Lady owner is a saboteur! Denounce these criminals, citizens!!”

    and then the orgasmic shudder of the local tectonic plate, as several million SJWs cream themselves watching some Agency or other lob fuel-air bombs on these weirdybeard refugees sleeping in their hootches.

  52. CountingStars

    December 12th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    ”Welcome back Princess. I keep telling you, there’s no need to spoof the comments, it’s an open forum.
    Bonus points for impersonating a man this time though.”

    lol dude, that paranoia. I would text you dick picks but I don’t swing that way

    Is it me or is princess now mixing up his / her / cis-whatever aliases?
    Writes as princess, gets welcomed back to the conversation by Rollo, responds as Counting stars.

    Funny shit

  53. Just saw this in Milo’s article – “”The media now allows radical feminists to frame all debates, in part because sensationalism attracts more clicks than any sort of fair or balanced discourse. Women can basically say anything about men, no matter how denigrating, to a mix of cheers and jeers.”

    The pyschos are running the asylum….

  54. “We would be so much better if, at age 16, after figuring out who is handsome or not, we’d get castrated.”
    Yup. CuntingStars is quite unmistakable, like a fart at a funeral.
    Same old same old.
    Cycling on repeat for all eternity (at soul-destroying length, adding more and more interminable comments because they’re incapable of focusing their “argument” and considering it in the abstract).

    Some people seem to be so “shut-in” and disordered that they’re incapable of learning from their mistakes. People like Professor Hardwank.

  55. ”Writes as princess, gets welcomed back to the conversation by Rollo, responds as Counting stars.”

    I’ve been to this forum a few times before but I never bother to comment because when I do visit this blog, I’m to busy laughing my ass off as I see young men approach young women(in college ofc) and getting rejected time and time again. I love to next see a good-looking guy who is both arrogant and treats the woman like shit go up to her and get laid without any effort.

    I’m a bit of a dark triad in the aspect that I love to either troll women or to see men get rejected or treated like shit, I guess there are few more guys who are like me and who have posted on this site.

    And I’ve noticed that Uncle Rollo brings on the paranoia/this poster must be a chick when someone who joins doesn’t agree with what he says. Hypergamy and all that nonsense and the sexual liberties that women have. So what? If I was 6 feet tall and if I looked like Brad Pitt I would be banging chicks left and right. Most guys here would do the same, they are only pissed off because women don’t want them.

    And that. Is friking hilarious. They whine more than 13 year old boys who haven’t masturbated in a week.

  56. ”is handsome or not, we’d get castrated.”
    Yup. CuntingStars is quite unmistakable, like a fart at a funeral.
    Same old same old.
    Cycling on repeat for all eternity (at soul-destroying length, adding more and more interminable comments because they’re incapable of focusing their “argument” and considering it in the abstract).
    Some people seem to be so “shut-in” and disordered that they’re incapable of learning from their mistakes. People like Professor Hardwank.”

    Dude, ask some guy who just arrived from a war-ridden African Country if he would take a pill which could remove forever the desire and the need for food. Imagine that you are a guy living in the western world. Would you take the pill? Look at how much money and time you’d save up by taking it.

    So why the hell would any guy want to keep having sexual desires that won’t ever be satisfied LOL? What do you want to do? Legalize prostitution? its legal in Europe and men are still sexually frustrated. Even the good-looking men who get laid resort to ugly women if that’s the only way they have of keeping their pussy-supply flowing steady. Come on man, lets be honest.

    As soon as a man tastes pussy for the first time he becomes hooked on it forever. Remove the desire and the biological drive to have it and you’ll be forever free. I watch so much porn and I wank the monkey so hard that I end up completely burned-up when I have to go to college. I am surrounded by beautiful women and I am not affected by it.

    Remove the porn and the fapping and I’m as dumb and as pussy-hungry as any 15 year old boy who stumbles onto a girl’s lockroom. Why wouldn’t any sane guy want to be rid of something(sex drive) that only complicates your life?

  57. If you have the stomach for it, check this out:

    That makes it pretty clear how much the FI is pushing that masculinity in women SHOULD be attractive to men, and how if men don’t find those traits attractive in a woman (or repulsive, actually), it means they have little dicks and are insecure in their manhood, or some other low blow/personal dig aimed at shaming/demeaning masculinity.

    As opposed to not finding those traits attractive simply being the result of being a man, and having innate preferences for what females should be like, just how women have innate preferences for what men should be like.

    Game and the ‘Sphere are about acknowledging these innate preferences to enhance relationships and have a more practical and real feel for how relationships/sex actually work. Game fully acknowledges women’s innate preferences for traditionally masculine behavior.

    Feminism is about obscuring these innate preferences in political and sexual agendas, and trapping people — men and women alike — in distorted ‘ideals’ of what sexuality and relationships SHOULD be like — according to the FI and its agenda.

    Game acknowledges reality and proposes solutions to dealing with it most effectively. Feminism denies reality and proposes an alternate reality that caters solely to the Feminine Imperative — maximize female expression of and options for sexuality while maximally restricting male expression of and options for sexuality.

  58. And as I said, i do get a few days per month of sexual desire. Thing is, the woman has to be a complete knock-out for my sex drive to come back to life. There are very few women like that in the real world. It only tends to happen, very occasionaly, in colleges and maybe in high schools. I sure as hell won’t ever see a woman like this in the workplace 10 years from now as most women past the age of 22 are obese or ugly LOL.

  59. “If I was 6 feet tall and if I looked like Brad Pitt I would ..”
    I’d forgotten how short the Prof said he was. Seems to really grip his shite for some reason, always harping on about it.

    Hey ho, the nitwit has triumphantly derailed the thread though, job done I suppose.
    Yeah well of course it’s my fault for giving the twat some food, but if people shrink from commenting for fear of activating another trolling, the thread dies anyway. It’s actively and obsessively seeking to get a ban, to knock Rollo off his “all comments, even stupid ones, allowed” high horse.
    Can’t be Soo, can it? She’s too lazy, not flagrantly OCD about it.

  60. Countingstars might not actually have female genitalia but I’ll bet he does have a short ring finger, probably the index and ring finger on his right hand are the same length and the index may even be bigger, denoting a male who got a tad less T in the womb (and probably started talking early and has extra talent in the literary world compared to most guys). Come on over to my blog guy. I’m starting up a support group. 😉

  61. @ Glenn “But the facts don’t matter. To those here who think they can argue women into a state of reasonableness, I suggest you talk to the old married guys here. Never works. Ever.”

    I have been with the same woman for 10 years, and married for the last 5, with a couple of short break-ups prior to marriage. Unfortunately for me, I have been red pill aware only for the last year.
    I have yet to ever argue my wife into a state of reasonableness; I *thought* that I had done so a few times, but about a week or so after the supposed “reasonableness” she just reverted right back.

    You said: “I guess I just accept it. For me the most important Red Pill truth is this. Women choose. Men compete for sex with them – it’s an innate power imbalance in our social system. What really made me be okay with that is recognizing that all of life is a competition of sorts.”

    Sure, I accept it as well, life IS a competition of sorts; I just worry that I may end up a loser in this particular competition called marriage.
    Had I been red pill aware prior to marriage I probably wouldn’t be married now; and if I was married, it would be an entirely different situation with a pre-nup, and 100% my frame on entry to the marriage.
    As it stands, looking back, I married into her frame.
    I am fighting the good fight, but I am not sure that I can move my relationship into my frame, time will tell.

  62. @David W

    Best of luck dude maybe you will manage it. At least you didn’t discover it after a divorce rape.

  63. Princess or Counting Stars — While I guess you are a fraud, Princess, I was going to say that you could have fucked that French Canadian girl. You could have turned the anger into a seduction. Here’s a hint for guys who don’t know how to deal with angry women. If he’d merely replied, with a smirk, “Yeah, I cut you out completely cuz I’m never going to spin around you like the rest of those losers – I have better things to do with my time.” she would have been caught up short, and I bet you 100 dollars she would laugh with you at all those losers. You might even add, “They all think that if they are nice enough to you that you might sleep with them out of pity or gratitude, lol. That’s not how I operate.” Immediately setting the sexual context up front in the interaction, fyi.

    Of course, you would then have to soften and pull her in with niceness and rapport building, but essentially you demonstrated high value to her and she noticed. Bitchy, beautiful women are my specialty. My next move is usually to rapidly and dramatically build intimacy. With such a bitchy hottie who is not in a group, I’ll usually follow with something like. “I see more of you in your eyes than you realize, ya know. You’re not nearly as bitchy as some people think you are, you actually are probably kind of shy and nobody knows it.” In a group, I’d completely ignore her and pay attention to someone else, or ask the other person, “What’s up with her?”

    But if alone, you might intensely hold her gaze as you say the thing about “…being shy”, and you could put your hand on her arm or something or even just step in close to her. Fyi, there is another version of it with a quiet girl that goes, “Most people don’t think you have much to say, but I can tell just by looking in your eyes that there is a whole lot more going on in there. And that behind that brave smile you put on for the world is a real sadness/worry (depending on the angle, any sign of anxiety in a woman and I go with worry versus sadness)” I’ve made women cry within 3 minutes of meeting them with this stuff. They eat it up. It’s usually true for them, btw, so it’s not technique. It works because I just dive right in and am in their heads before they know it – they are not in mine.

    You see, what she really wants is a fantasy and most men aren’t delivering it to her, But it has to start with you asserting your social dominance and framing the interaction where she is a passenger right up front. Most men are so socially retarded, the mere thought of attempting this terrifies them. Good, keep qualifying and hoping they fall on your cock – more for me.

    I learned NLP in 1989. I’ve used it on women many times. I have a special NLP trick I do with headaches that will take a woman who has a headache and turn her into your devoted fan in 20 minutes by curing or greatly lessening the headach, and it’s innately intimate and a huge demonstration of high value that is very personal. It’s also a great trick for a group of woman because no matter who has the headache, you are demonstrating the high value to the group. And if you ask a group of 5 women if any of them have a headache as an opener – I guarantee you they haven’t heard that one before and one of them is bound to say yes. You take away a woman’s headache and she thinks its fucking magic, lol. I have a version I do for “worry” as I mentioned above that gets similar results.

    I just never knew any of this shit was game and didn’t really synthesize till my mid-30s, after my marriage had failed. I learned it all as a sales rep and while trying to get laid. Confidence is key for people to be attracted to you (because it projects high value) and if you want to get laid, you have to be framing the interaction. Same exact thing in sales. It’s essentially a battle for framing a narrative once rapport is established. If you frame the sale/pickup the right way, the close is inevitable. With women, it’s getting them into their fantasy world. They need to feel the “magic”. But most men never even try because of fear and social retardation after being quashed by the FI for their entire childhoods.

    Gosh, I should have been a fucking PUA. And oh yeah, as for old guys not needing to have sex – I had a three-fer on Monday and I’m 52. I’m not much less horny than I was at 20. I’m also far more sexually liberated and perverted than I was back then, and women love it. They all want to be with the “dirty guy” (usually only for short term though). They can let their hair down with me because it’s not known to others, so there is no shame or repurcussion in their social circle. I have been more than a couple of women’s dirty little secret. Just don’t let anyone else know you are fucking them…

  64. Hi Rollo. Martie Hasselton just tweeted about a new paper she’s published with Gangestead on the possible implications and future directions for research on human estrus, though you’d be interested:

    http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/unify_uploads/files/gangestad%20and%20haselton%20current%20opinion%2012-1-14%20in%20press.pdf

    Note, please, the table which specifies “dual strategy” (AFBB) is one of four competing hypothesis for shifting mate preferences during fertility.

  65. @ Cuntingfarts

    They whine more than 13 year old boys who haven’t masturbated in a week.

    At 13 I couldn’t have cared less about girls. Once I hit puberty, I don’t think I went more than a day or two without a wank. Did pickup at 15.

    If a super Alpha male has to kill dragons for a hot young chick,

    I have to say, scaring off a 6’2″ 180+ lbs stalker who was after a woman I had a fling with probably made her DTF. And I’ve discovered that I have a kissable face, which probably didn’t hurt. I was 5’7″ 125 lbs. and she was 5’6″ 145 lbs. So, not like she looked up to me much, physically speaking.

    they are only pissed off because women don’t want them.

    Lol, I am a pussy-teasing black knight. Catnip to women. I work ’em up and sit their @$$ down. Just last night there was a woman boob-grazing my arm for several seconds and she had her arms on my back and arm as we listened to the dance instructor drone on. I was ignoring her the whole time and laughing my @$$ off inside.

    As soon as a man tastes pussy for the first time he becomes hooked on it forever.

    Meh, self-control isn’t that hard.

    Thing is, the woman has to be a complete knock-out for my sex drive to come back to life.

    I can relate somewhat. It takes a 9 or 10 to pique my interest enough for me to overcome my inhibitions and instigate or start bird-dogging. I was chatting up a 10 and went into bird-dogging mode unintentionally. Was very surprised to find out that my inhibitions could be defeated without my knowledge. She was doing the same thing at the time, so it all seemed very natural.

  66. “life IS a competition of sorts; I just worry that I may end up a loser in this particular competition called marriage”

    @davidw one thing to consider is what is the relative SMV gap at this time, and what is was when you are married. Following the SMV chart, since you are now older you should have the opportunity to obtain a higher SMV, and thus can work on widening that gap. since this is a competition, then, leverage it

  67. @ Glenn

    “Or just stay angry and hurt like MGTOW. Have at it guys, but I’d rather be happy and really free to move among women and deal with them easily.”

    I enjoy your posts and I think they are the most lucid and comprehensive of all the posts on this board, but I think (you) not being (a) MGTOW colors your understanding of what it is – but that also goes for the majority of men in the developed world.

    “I’d rather be happy and really free to move among women and deal with them easily.”

    And why would being MGTOW exude one from that? Are (all) MGTOW’s monks? Hardly. (Sure, you can find those MGTOW’s too, but they are in a minority – and that’s there right – who are we to say they are unhappy?)

    I’ve mentioned this before, but I’ll do so again for what its worth. “MGTOW” is as old as the mountains… In fact it is the most natural state a man can be in / of a man. Just because some dude recently came up with this acronym “MGTOW” it’s now all of a sudden supposed to be something “new” caused by the FI? Not at all.

    What is MGTOW? In a nutshell: Full Autonomy as a MAN (who does not measure his “manhood” according to how it is viewed by a woman or women. That means that even if an MGTOW is the ultimate “beta” (according to game theory) it is more or less irrelevant. He only measures himself to himself and to other men (but not in relation to how popular he is with women).

    Rather they measure themselves against how they live life fully independently, autonomously and successfully, regardless of the FI.

    Traditionally and historically very many men have gone their own way, before mass culture, social networking, social engineering, etc,. which now compels men to feel insecure and “alone / lonely” or “abnormal” if they are not with a woman – for a fairly short period of time…

    Men used to be NATURALLY uncompromisingly autonomous. The only difference between (back) then and now is that nowadays, as a man, you have to make an effort to be autonomous – it’s not the norm, it’s the exception – that’s why people actually believe there’s something “eccentric” or odd or “off” or strange or even cowardly about being MGTOW… Think again.

    I can spin plates and be MGTOW at the same time, what stops me?
    I can go into hibernation and focus solely and exclusively on myself and my own objectives without feeling insecure for not spinning plates or constantly having a woman “on my arm. I can go celibate for many months without feeling any need at all to “up my game” because somehow “not getting it” all the time reflects negatively on my manhood – it’s only in the modern world that we manage to deceive ourselves with these kind of ideas. No, I can focus on my personal and work projects and as you Glenn, I can make my money and make it well, I can travel the world and meet awesome women wherever I go and enjoy them. I don’t feel obligated to do so though. I can also afford women and don’t feel that I’m breaking some “club rule” by utilising “services”.

    Whatever the case, I would never commit – no matter how you look at it, its entrapment (and believe me, I have been entrapped – we live and learn. Freedom forever. I would never give up the freedom that I get from Going My Own Way.

  68. Princess – Lol, this really is too much now. You stated:

    “. I watch so much porn and I wank the monkey so hard that I end up completely burned-up when I have to go to college. I am surrounded by beautiful women and I am not affected by it.”

    Uhh you sure are affected by it – that’s why you are hiding out in your dorm room fapping all the time. You are free of exactly nothing. Here’s another tip. Your life it pathetic – why are you giving advice? Who in the fuck would want what you are selling? Trolling and other at a distance garbage? What a fucking lame ass pussy you are. Making a victory out of your surrender. No wonder you can’t get laid – who would want to fuck you? Who wants to even be around you?

  69. Princess is,..

    Counting Stars
    Phillip
    PrincessSSB
    Professor Von Hardwiggs
    Plagio

    and a regular at Aunt Giggle’s Beta emporium.

    That’s some real troll dedication to create a new alias with a new email address every time Aunt Sue gets boring for you. Apparently you’re still too stupid to know I and several other bloggers have your IP logged, but you continued to go to the trouble of creating new personas and email accounts.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    So, I guess Aunt Sue’s echo chamber is getting too repetitive in her bad data marriage rate posts huh? Dalrock debunked her post before she pressed the publish button.

  70. There was a commercial posted in a previous thread, I think it was a TGIF’s commercial, where the women switched out her dinner date with a younger guy. Welp, here’s a similar commercial by Verizon. Unbelievable.

  71. @redlight
    “one thing to consider is what is the relative SMV gap at this time, and what is was when you are married. Following the SMV chart, since you are now older you should have the opportunity to obtain a higher SMV, and thus can work on widening that gap. since this is a competition, then, leverage it”

    Good advice. I am working on it.

  72. @ J. J. – I had a MGTOW channel on YouTube and took it down after 6 months and had 22,000 views and 50 vids. I know very well what MGTOW is and is not. Most MGTOW are exactly what I describe – whether you like it or not. And many are very, very angry at women. What, you’ve never watched a video by the gutter-snipe GoodFella? Or Stardusk? They aren’t dripping with anger at women? Really?

    Or you could tune into Sandman’s Daily Ten Minutes of Hate. These arguments go on all the time and it’s uninteresting to me. I don’t identify with MGTOW because I actually like women. I actually seek them out and game them regularly – they are not a torture system designed to make me suffer. I’m just biologically programmed to want to fuck them and they are bio programmed to choose. I also am not some anarchist who sees himself as being exploited by the state who is wiling to live a subsistence and drop out of the “system”. This is what most MGTOW are.

    Just take a look at Spetznaz vids on YouTube. Do you really think he’s not angry? How long is it productive to sit in the anger? I also have no view on whether another man should get married – I don’t care. I’m not invested in how anyone else behaves. I won’t do it but others are welcome to do as they see fit. And MGTOW also includes some people doing awful pseudo-science too.

    I can’t be associated with a movement that is actually brimming with real misogyny. I know you won’t like that I said this, but that’s how I see it.

  73. I’d like to hear Rollo’s thoughts on how threatening “male exhuberance” is to the FI. The decline of male spaces means that men can’t let loose and get their energy up with each other. Women in STEM who feel “threatened” see male exhuberance as a thing that makes them feel unwelcome. The cry becomes “check your privilege” whenever a man shows pride. Now it’s seen as dysfunctional or “toxic masculinity.”

  74. @Glen

    “I also am not some anarchist who sees himself as being exploited by the state who is wiling to live a subsistence and drop out of the “system” ”

    Give it some time until they put taxes on being a man haha.

  75. Glenn on December 12, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    @ J. J. – I had a MGTOW channel on YouTube and took it down after 6 months and had 22,000 views and 50 vids. I know very well what MGTOW is and is not. Most MGTOW are exactly what I describe – whether you like it or not. And many are very, very angry at women. What, you’ve never watched a video by the gutter-snipe GoodFella? Or Stardusk? They aren’t dripping with anger at women? Really?

    Oh god you’re not that Glenn are you? The one who created the video about Fishtown and Belmont? Stardusk completely destroyed you. And being angry is irrelevant if what you’re saying can be backed up with evidence. Stardusk actually made a video praising Rollo and his War Brides post. For those of you who don’t know and anyone wanting real insight into evo psych check out Stardusk now known as Thinking Ape TV on youtube.

  76. No, dude. There are plenty of young guys out there who are aware of the nature of women and decide not to play, instead of aging to the age of 40-something and whinning that women aren’t interested in them. Most women in their 40s aren’t picky at all, I’ve seen older women with the most disgusting exemples of middle-aged men, so if you people complain of hypergamy, that happens because you want 20 year old women.

    A guy can see women and men for what we are and understand that we are all basically dispendable. Most women have immense value, including women in their 30s and 40s because there’s always a thirsty dude, but men are only worth anything when they are hot. Seen it everyday. I accept the superiority of these 18 year old kids with their perfect hair, teeth, face and body. Meanwhile, there’s so much jealously flying around concerning these ”bad boys” and ”gamers” LOL.

    I’ve seen men as old as 35 with attractive 18 years old. But those guys were hot, which most of the people who are in the mansphere are not. This guy still had all of his hair, had a good face, teeth and so on.

    I’m a guy. lol and Aunt giggles doesn’t like me either. I tell her that her assortive mating is BS and that her distate for game, does that mean she also hates her son? I don’t like the manshpere either. For I find it to be ridiculous lol. As I said I enjoy seeing young men getting rejected but dude, do I love it when I see older guys trying to mack on young women.

    Seriously dude, do you even meet young women besides the chicks who want to bang you in your casino because you have money? Women are boring. The hot chicks have nothing inside their brains they can barely make conversation – even if the target is a good-looking man – and they are useless because they don’t want to smear the paint job they have on themselves. The high-value men(young, natural good-looking men) I’m friends with say these chicks aren’t even worth a lay because they have very few experience. Its the average woman who gets most of the play. Not with the average guy.

    Glen.

    What exploitation? 9 year old kids were sent to work in the mines a hundred years or so ago. I am healthy, no one bothers me, I make enough to support me and I’m enjoying my college tour. How am I oppressed? Women aren’t bedding me that’s for sure and I don’t feel any less for it LOL. I guess I should return my man-card.

  77. @strauman
    ‘The irony is how the “Patriarchy” is being replaced by a much realized Matriarchy in the name of “equality”.’

    I wouldn’t call it ironic. I think they label it “Patriarchy” in order to make rationalizing the installation of a Matriarchy easier. It’s the meta-hamster talking, basically. Rationalization at the societal scale.

  78. Heartiste recently quoted an article on his recent Dark Triad post. As usual, he misinterpreted the study and I called him out on it but he felt the need to delete my comment. I’ll let that slide for now but I bring this up because the study does give us some insight, rather indirectly, on why “socialized hypergamy” exists in the first place. From the original study (Jonason & Buss, 2012):

    “Although men and women may share the same overarching problem in short-term mating, the manner in which they solve it may differ as a function of their different sexual psychologies.

    These differences have been linked to asymmetries in reproductive biology (Buss & Schmitt, 1993; Symons, 1979; Trivers, 1972). Men and women face different adaptive problems when it comes to short-term mating. The primary problem faced by men is finding willing partners and in response, men have evolved a desire for sexual variety (Symons, 1979). In contrast, the primary problem women face is becoming pregnant with the offspring of a low quality mate and in response women tend to place an increased emphasis on the genetic quality (e.g., facial symmetry) of her short-term mates (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000).

    Such asymmetries in sexual psychologies lead us to make a number of predictions. Because women are often in a good bargaining position when it comes to the short-term mating market (Symons, 1979), they can act strategically to secure various benefits from short-term mating (Meston & Buss, 2009). Relative to men, women are likely to try to minimize escalation through avoiding contact, intimacy, and avoiding integration into one’s life. These tactics may be ones men cannot afford to do, being less valuable (on average) in the short-term mating market.”

    Socialized/Open Hypergamy, is in essence, an avoidance of reproducing with a low quality mate (betas) and in pursue of attractive mates (alphas), while making all men openly aware of this. The hysteria that was covered a while back, acknowledge this by understanding that women despise men of inferior genetic quality so much; they’ll do whatever it takes to dis-empower these men, even at the cost of fabricating and spreading lies. Women follow their sexual pluralistic strategy to a tee by giving alphas the goods in their prime and with minimal investment on the alpha’s part, versus making the beta wait and pay for the same piece of pussy (or older pussy as she matures). It has been said that open hypergamy is an honest assessment by women, and they’re correct. Now, the primary reason open hypergamy is able to become so predominant in our culture is because certain ecological pressures have been nullified, which initially, constrained hypergamy from “having its cake and eating it too”. Currently, women can not only have their cake and eat too, but they can also pick out their frosting.

  79. @thedeti
    Agreed. Good trolls don’t walloftext. Trolling is a form of humor. Good trolls understand humor as Shakespeare explained it: “brevity is the soul of wit”.

    But hey, we’re probably talking about a chick or very feminized man here. There’s a reason the vast majority comediennes (of both sexes) aren’t funny: women don’t get humor.

  80. ”@thedeti
    Agreed. Good trolls don’t walloftext. Trolling is a form of humor. Good trolls understand humor as Shakespeare explained it: “brevity is the soul of wit”.”

    hard to be a good troll when you aren’t trolling. On the other hand, approach any respectable social scientist with this garbage of the red pill/red pill women and you won’t be called a troll. You might be sent to a nut house. And not without motive. This blog is a bible-sized blog on why women sleep with good-looking men. ”Hypergamy.” So do tell me the male equivalent for wanting to bang the 6 feet tall natural blonde whhen you aren’t her male equivalent?

    I must have a defective male hamster because I just can’t figure out that one.
    Nah man, i don’t need to get started. I already have all of my seinfield-humor by reading this blog, and Roissy’s, and Roosh V, and Hookingup smart and Reddit/redpill.

    Gotta stay Alpha, bro. Don’t forget to lift.

  81. TAnon
    December 12th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    It is a spectrum in terms of the quality of woman you can get. I was thinking more in terms of keeping the woman you get domesticated.

  82. To presume a man is ‘owed’ sex for services rendered

    This is one of the reasons that I NEVER do anything for a woman till after I have bedded her. Up till that point she has no “skin” in the game, so why would I do anything for her? I’ve told women that when they ask for my help – “What’s in it for me?” I’m not looking for her to “owe” me anything – I want payment up front. It is as simple as that – after I’ve pumped a load or two into her, she can ask me nicely for something – nothing of value, maybe something that I would do for a friend – as that is really all she is – a pre-qualified friend.

    Had a couple of little girls (high-school seniors) ask me to take them to the Mall not that long ago and I asked, “So what’s in it for me?” Talk about surprised – no guy had ever asked them that. Didn’t take too long to reach an agreement – after all, they had to get back from the Mall… And a good time was had by all… Established the rules for our “relationship” right up front, and we’ve enjoyed it ever since…

    Never offer anything for free, or “presume” a debt is owed – get payment first if that is why you are doing something. That way you can see how much she wants something. That is always a good idea – too many women get too much for free – may her pay up front…

  83. ”Socialized/Open Hypergamy, is in essence, an avoidance of reproducing with a low quality mate (betas) and in pursue of attractive mates (alphas), while making all men openly aware of this. The hysteria that was covered a while back, acknowledge this by understanding that women despise men of inferior genetic quality so much; they’ll do whatever it takes to dis-empower these men, even at the cost of fabricating and spreading lies. Women follow their sexual pluralistic strategy to a tee by giving alphas the goods in their prime and with minimal investment on the alpha’s part, versus making the beta wait and pay for the same piece of pussy (or older pussy as she matures). It has been said that open hypergamy is an honest assessment by women, and they’re correct. Now, the primary reason open hypergamy is able to become so predominant in our culture is because certain ecological pressures have been nullified, which initially, constrained hypergamy from “having its cake and eating it too”. Currently, women can not only have their cake and eat too, but they can also pick out their frosting.”

    The hell kind of acids are you on? Women openly display hate men who aren’t Brad Pitts? Maybe the women you people approach do so because you’re approaching women who are leaps and bounds above you in terms of looks. Oh man, stay classy guys. And don’t shave the neckbeards.

  84. “Most women in their 40s aren’t picky at all…”

    Most women in their 40s are barely worth a fuck, and mostly not worth anything else. They truly have nothing to offer but sex. One aspect of hitting the wall not discussed much is that in addition to losing their physical appeal their non physical appeal almost completely evaporates as well.

    Or there are the dichotomies of disappoint:
    1. beautiful on the outside barking moonbat, bitch on wheels on the inside.
    2. Interesting, intelligent, great personality weighs 350 and bad skin.

  85. Why are you guys in your 40s and 50s so obssessed with women and with what women can or can’t do?

    High testosterone levels. It is a blessing/curse.

  86. This is one of the reasons that I NEVER do anything for a woman till after I have bedded her.

    That rule can be found in “Surely You’re Joking Mr. Feynman” by Nobel Prize winner Richard Feynman.

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