In last week’s post I had an exchange with yet another attention seeking girl of 25. I wont be giving her any more than what she already thinks is her due writing for XOJane, however the topic of BDSM came up and I wanted to explore that a bit this week.
It’s no coincidence that the movie adaptation of 50 Shades of Grey is opening on Valentines Day this Saturday, so rather than my annual V-Day post I figured I’d also do a bit of early prognosticating about the knots the fem-stream media will be tying themselves into by this time next week.
Just as a recap, the exchange with this girl centered on her dissatisfaction with her boyfriend’s assertiveness and dominant status with her. At her insistence he Alpha’d up for her, but I was incredulous about her believing he’d done so, and with any amount of genuineness. For a man to Just Get It, he must get it on his own. Any woman inserting herself into the process of him just getting that he ought to be more dominant with her defeats the legitimacy of that change with her.
Observing a process will change that process. Just as genuine desire cannot be negotiated, neither can genuine change in a man’s mindset be negotiated at a woman’s insistence.
Hypergamy only believes the dominance of a man that a woman finds in him, never the one a woman needs to create in him.
During this exchange our goth girl mentioned she was into BDSM and the whole picture came into perspective:
Now I got it.
Sub in the dungeon, Dom in public. Most women into (overt) BDSM have issues with reconciling their desire for being dominated by a man and submitting to him in any other aspect of life.
I’m not surprised you felt the need to ask him to be more dominant. It’s not about his asserting himself with others it’s about your need for a genuinely dominant man giving you tingles. You want him to dominate you, but it doesn’t come naturally to him.
It sounds better to promote the image of him being a socially dominant character who’s come into it because you want that guy to be the character you fantasize he is in the dungeon.
You want a guy who’s genuinely dangerous, objectifying and powerful when you’re having sex, but you want the security and trust that comes from knowing he’s really safe, in control and socially dominant enough to ensure your security with his decisions.
That’s why BDSM is appealing to feminists. The dominance gets them off because it’s wrong, a taboo they shouldn’t really like because the feminist dogma says it’s disgusting to submit to a man (especially for an “empowered” woman), but the fantasy aspect of it legitimizes the desire and separates the “real” woman from the “sex act” woman.
I’m using the term “dungeon” metaphorically here, but I think it’s apt for any sex environment we put ourselves into with another person. One of the many aspects of masculine ridicule is the caricature of the strong, dominant business man paying for and playing the role of pathetic, tortured submissive to his vinyl-clad dominatrix with a whip, knee-boots and a bad attitude. The cliché serves the purpose of male ridicule of course, but it also reinforces the the latent message that those CEOs who rule the world, in their sexual selves, are really pathetic ass lickers who get off on humiliation from strong, independent women. Their sexual identities is who they really are.
Commenter 447 followed me up in that thread:
Things/actions that are called BDSM or can be put into that category (which can even be acts without any fetish objects, basically even normal, hard sex where the man just has his way with a female can be put there by twisting semantics) just *concentrate and thereby CORNER* all of femininity into ONE corner of the spectrum of life: Sex.
That explains a lot – from the massive number of Shades of Grey-Copies sold to the (sometimes almost comical) attempt of many young women to be “sexually perverted” even if they are not:
It is the only socially acceptable form known to them to be truly female today: By being a “whore”.
Only banged one feminist – can just add +1 to the description above – the more feminst bullshit they talk, the more they desire to be a sex slave or even an abused victim(!) in the bedroom. +1 to “explanations for rape hysteria” btw.
Roleplaying Games
As women find themselves coming into the open acceptance of Hypergamy and recognizing the social control they wield, the overstated perception they have with regard to their sexual market value will inflate with their collective egos. We address this often in the manosphere about how women’s self-perception of their SMV is grossly, unrealistically, inflated by social networks, media and popular culture. My assertion here is that BDSM – not just the overt kind, but the interplay of dominance and submission in any sexual intercourse – will become women’s fantasy outlet for a natural desire to be dominated by men.
In the case I illustrated with the CEO relegating himself to his mistress as a slave, so too will women’s sexual selves be a role they’ll play, and that role will be normalized for women through a feminine-primary social order. While men can be comfortably ridiculed for their desire to be dominated, women are sold the idea that their sexual selves are not their real selves, thus the need to be submissive can be forgiven of the strong independent woman® because her sexual self is not “who she really is.”
The Feminine Imperative defines for men that his ridiculous sexual identity is who he really is, but for women her sexual identity is a role she plays that insulates her from her real ’empowered’ identity. Through this roleplaying, women can reconcile and satisfy their real need of masculine dominance while maintaining the strong independent woman® identity that feminine-primary society expects of them.
In this sense women are put into a socially acceptable, socially expanded, form of topping from the bottom. The idea is that women can safely control and accommodate that want of sexual submission without losing self-respect by challenging the feminine social narrative of female state control. So long as that desire and the act are considered a fantasy that they can separate their true selves from, the sexual submission to a dominant man they desire can be balanced and reconciled if that act isn’t who they really are.
Furthermore there is a tantalizing sexual wrongness to engaging in submission only in a sexual theater. This is what fem-stream media will twist itself into knots about in the week following the opening of 50 Shades of Grey. In an era of Yes Means Yes consent forms and fantastical, falsified, rape hysteria, the go-to rationale for the runaway success that 50 Shades of Grey will undoubtedly be will be exactly this “its a fantasy so it’s ok, it’s not the real woman” separation of desire and ego preservation.
This is how the rape fantasy elements will be dealt with in the aftermath of so wildly popular a movie. It turns women on because it’s not supposed to turn them on. What fem-blogs will confront is the true nature of women’s Hypergamy being openly (likely proudly) embraced, but at the same time conflicting with the rape culture messaging that’s been pounded into our collective consciousness for the better part of 2014. Feminine duplicity will be on display and women will either say it’s their due, it’s “not for real” or that it’s Patriarchal sexual repressiveness that’s brought them to this (male shame).
Dalrock delivered this fantastic comment in one of my threads years ago, but I’m reminded of it now:
These women don’t just want to build a better beta, they want to tame the alpha. In fact, I think the former is just another way they are trying to approach the latter. They want to take an inherently unsafe activity and make it safe. They want to submit to a man without having to submit; they want a man who can tame their feral self. They want him to trip their danger signals. Even better if he is a stranger from a strange land.
They want this all to happen without giving up their freedom; they want to play this out in the context of serial monogamy, so they can feel loved while also claiming their promiscuity is moral. They want to lose control to a string of strangers who have all of the hallmarks of very dangerous men, and they want a promise that this will always end well.
They want to know that this will be safe, without it losing the excitement of it feeling unsafe. They are telling men to build a sort of serial monogamy amusement park where they can ride the roller coaster and experience the fear of falling or crashing, while knowing that just behind the scenes grown ups are actually in charge and are responsible for them safely feeling unsafe.
One more thing. As I mentioned above they don’t want to be hemmed in. So instead of building an actual amusement park, they want roller coasters to spring up randomly in the same exact circumstances where the real danger they mimic would appear. They want to be driving their car on the freeway one instant, and the next experience the fear of careening out of control the next. They want to impulsively jump off the edge of the Grand Canyon and have a parachute appear and deploy at the last minute. And all they ask is your guarantee that all of this will be safe.
The safeness women hope to effect for themselves can’t be entrusted to men. The dominant Alphas are inherently dangerous, and the more Beta men are too commonplace and less empowered than women themselves. The solution then is to rig the social structure to accommodate women’s thrill-seeking by socially expecting men to accept being topped from the bottom irrespective of “who a woman really is.”
The main reason ‘goth girl’ will never be content with a boyfriend she had to encourage to be more dominant is because his passivity was his mental point of origin for him. He’s already safe, before he’s allowed to play the role of dominance by her.
A Note About V-Day
If you haven’t read my previous V-Day post you may want to before Saturday. Considering it falls on a weekend and the impending “we’re just as sexual as men” lather women will likely work themselves into over 50 Shades, it might be a good refresher. I understand that some of my manosphere contemporaries are getting onboard with the billing that 50 Shades’ release will make for orgy-like conditions on V-Day, and while I’ll concur for the most part I think there are far more significant considerations men need to be aware of.
For the married or LTR man who’s wife insists on taking him to see the movie, or one who insists on a GNO with her semi-monogamous girlfriends there will be no post-movie orgy. One of the most common rationales I hear from men when their woman wants to go off with her friends to a male strip ‘revue’ is “hey, let her go have a good time, she’ll just bring that sexual impulse home to me, right?” These men are only rationalizing their part in their own cuckoldry.
The real question is how into sex do you think your wife would be after your coming home from hitting the strip club with your boys, downing three $12 appletinis and smelling like stripper perfume? Or better yet, perhaps you suggest you both hit a strip club together after you watch 50 Shades? You’re only taking that sexual energy home for each other after having outside sexual cues turn you on. Christian Grey will be the man fucking your wife while you sit on and watch.
For single men the situation is a pussy bonanza if you can play the ‘lonely hearts club’ Game correctly. On any other V-Day I’d suggest men capitalize on GNOs and women commiserating about how inadequate men are these days while they tie one on. The likelihood that an order of 50 million women will have seen 50 Shades just prior to hitting the bars with their girls on this night only makes your efforts that much easier with better sexual dividends.
While not overtly playing the Christian Grey role, if you cop the dominant energy (or if that’s what you’re about already) you can help a girl work off that energy. It would be too easy to say these women will be primed for Game, but remember, feminine-primary acculturation has taught her to justify the action of her sexual self apart from her real self. Saturday night may be the one time getting a girl to sign a sexual consent form will work in a man’s favor.
All that said, the opportunity for observing open Hypergamy in the field will be hard to ignore. Enjoy the mental-hamster contortions women will use to justify behaving exactly like the cads they claim to hate, and their sad sack Beta men sitting dutifully at home changing diapers while the girls are being girls. My advice would be to use that open Hypergamy environment to your advantage, but demonstrate it, don’t explicate it to them.
Be aware. You will see a great many Red Pill truths come to light in a short time frame. It may be a shinning opportunity to make your Blue Pill friend Red Pill aware.
February 10th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
@ Pornographic Double-Standards
Honestly, I find this double standard sickening. If you have fictional books that cause women to lust, it is no different than images causing guys to lust. Both should be condemned; but I don’t see that happening in Christian circles. The women’s consumption is almost always downplayed relative to the mans just because it isn’t visual. This shouldn’t be controversial, but you’d be surprised. As I said before, guys doing porn are seen as losers, deviants and in need of some serious spiritual healing, but the overwhelming number of women who gobble up romance novels like Fifty Shades of Grey are not held accountable in the same manner. This needs to change.
Agreed.
February 10th, 2015 at 5:24 pm
Ahhh. Not agreed on
Both should be condemned; but I don’t see that happening in Christian circles.
and put “romance novels” in quotation marks.
February 10th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
I’m on record at Dalrock’s as predicting that within the next decade we will see the production and acceptance of Christian Kosher pornography. My speculation was that it would need to be within the confines of Biblical marriage, so the plot would probably revolve around a couple of newly married, hip, “relevant” Christians and the rationale would be one of instructing married couples (and only married couples) about the joy of Godly sex.
The only problem I have with that prediction now is the voracious acceptance with which Christian women have embraced 50 Shades of Grey and the necessity Christian Culture has in co-opting it and repackaging it to stay relevant with the feminine influence that pervades the modern church.
When ordained, christian approved porn comes to the church it will be because women wanted their version of it to be sanctified.
February 10th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
When ordained, christian approved porn comes to the church it will be because women wanted their version of it to be sanctified.
Yes. So that they can still feel pious and devout while hanging on the fast lane to the amoral dual strategy. It all fits in.
February 10th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
@Rollo
Hypocrisy? In religion? Why I never!
February 10th, 2015 at 7:03 pm
and the open hypergamy Award goes to..drum drum drum drum.
The story of Lot and his two daughters.
After fleeing from the smoldering wasteland that had been Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot and the girls had eventually settled in a mountainous region, which must have been in the middle of nowhere considering what happens next. The two daughters, perhaps working on the assumption that most of the world had been destroyed by fire and brimstone, concluded that in order for them to preserve their family line, they would have to get their father drunk with wine and…
For two consecutive nights – one night for each daughter – they managed to get their father so completely smashed that he wasn’t aware of what his own children were doing.
February 10th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
I’m not so certain that porn will make it into mainstream church sanctification so quickly. If it does, it will certainly be called something else, and look very very different from what men generally think of as “porn”.
The reason I think this is because porn is a generic value check to female SMV. So, even if the church did not exist, women would find it distasteful because it reduces their options. Now, obviously in the scenario painted, a “sanctified” version where it is restricted to marriage would evade that problem. That does not mean that women would still not naturally feel threatened by it. After all, if it is solo sexual satisfaction for a man, in a marriage or out, it still threatens a female’s value. The conditions that would need to be satisfied for all women to feel comfortable would read like the affordable healthcare act, extraordinarily long and complicated. Too many women still use sex as a weapon in marriage for anything other than sexual attention thrown their way to feel acceptable.
I would guess that in order for it to work, it would have to look like the church allowing BDSM under the permission of women only. Very few men consider that to encompass porn. In fact it’s fair to say that it’s not even close to the same thing since two people must still be involved, and consent given (?).
I would believe, however, that fem-centric church structures will (in zigs and zags) start going down this road (as gluttonous as it sounds), simply because the women are not going to be satisfied with the churchian overt hypergamy.
February 10th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
Well, FUCKING WOMEN at times is fuckin awesome miss Stevie dear. However, her surprisingly decent blue pill ramble omits the chief word & concept: FUCKING HYPERGAMY
February 10th, 2015 at 8:42 pm
50 Shades, Nymphomaniac, A Little Death etc….All these movies coming should reveal many red pill truths to men, even though they may not change immediately.
Was catching with a boy of mine today haven’t seen him in like 3 yrs, but he’s RP and aware that we were all raised to ‘drink the cool aid’ way back when.
At one point he actually said something which was basically ‘demonstrate don’t explicate!’
This weekend should make the next months very interesting….
February 10th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
@Rollo = “As I was saying, if you look at that Inside Out trailer and replace the Dad’s mental resolution with a hot swimsuit model he banged (in contrast to the wife’s Brazilian Alpha widower) the entire narrative shifts.”
This is basically one of the defining tenets of the FI & Womanhood: Shame, Change/Colonize, Rinse, Repeat. Bolstered by undercurrents of abdicate responsibility, have affairs with ‘tingly’ men when possible, and renditions lack-awareness-at-all-costs!
February 10th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
@Batman clip – HAHAHAH! Oh my days! Brilliant!
February 10th, 2015 at 10:03 pm
“Men prepare for life to be difficult and are grateful when it’s easy.
Women prepare for life to be easy and complain when it’s difficult.”
Another gem there Rollo-nii san!
February 10th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
what is the telltell signs a woman is into BDSM ?
ps,I know someS. i just want to see what you guys have to say.
February 10th, 2015 at 10:32 pm
“Was catching UP with” my boy
February 10th, 2015 at 10:53 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/14/new-fifty-shades-of-grey-trailer-seems-less-sexy-after-accusations-against-jian-ghomeshi-and-bill-cosby/
oh poor those virgin angels were used by powerful evil men.
February 11th, 2015 at 12:34 am
If females aren’t “fucking awesome” then why does this site even exist? Why are you even here? You are here because you want that human connection that was biologically programmed into you. Look, I didn’t write the program. I simply acknowledge it. To pretend for one second that you are not a member of a sexual species—“sexual” meaning that two DNA packages interact to form a third—as opposed to “asexual” where an organism simply self-divides in order to procreate itself, is folly. If you really think that you can get around that, then you are a better man than me, amoeba. Otherwise, you accept the fact that you are a mammal, created to be sexual. That means, for better or worse, that you must learn to harmoniously interact with the “others” of your species—females. Are they, as a demographic, fucked up beyond all recognition? Yes, they are. No getting around it. How to fix that? Well, being a male, the solution exists inside of you. YOU are responsible for correcting that. Yes, no doubt, your forbears let you down on that count. It’s tragic. Truly. But the damage is done. It is now on you, as unfair as that is, to set things right. And that begins with you beginning to realize what you really are.
To what do you “males” object, exactly?
Notice that I don’t post links to make my points. Never have. Instead, I assume that the conversation exists where it exists, and that many (most?) readers may not have read old links. So I spell it out. Every fucking time. Because I am not so arrogant to think that other human beings, in varying stages of awakening, have read all pertinent backlinks. That is called respect. It goes hand-in-hand with trust.
Gentlemen, you can hate females, if that helps you get through your current situation. I won’t hate on it. Never have. I get it. However, at the end of the day, you need females, and they need you. That is a simple biological fact.
I wish you all the best, and above all, I hope that you can come to embrace biology, for your own wellbeing.
February 11th, 2015 at 12:51 am
Steven – “However, at the end of the day, you need females….”
Lol.
But seriously … Lol.
February 11th, 2015 at 1:46 am
@Steven
(A bunch of butthurt that the men here have already rejected my arguments)
Be as mad as you like, bub. Simple fact of the matter is that you’re shoveling the same horseshit every guy here has heard (and seen firmly disproved as fantasy) his entire Blue Pill saturated upbringing and adult life. Then you’re getting all butthurt that we react exactly we would if you insisted the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny are real: we laugh at you. Really, are you honestly so solipsistic as to believe that because you the special snowflake said it, we’d believe it this time?
Notice that I don’t post links to make my points.
Of course you don’t. Like most bullshit, they don’t need supporting evidence.
February 11th, 2015 at 1:58 am
@Sun
To the silent readers, is this what you aspire to be? Is this what you want for YOUR life? It doesn’t seem very pleasant to me…
February 11th, 2015 at 2:11 am
@Steven
Yes, instead of being a man like myself who is now secure enough in himself that women can no longer hurt him, they can be totally dependent on her fickle will exactly like you would suggest.
Come, “silent readers”. Follow Steven right back to Betaville!
February 11th, 2015 at 2:12 am
@ Sun Wukong
DON’T TOUCH THE TAR BABY!
Taunt it, laugh at it, but don’t touch it.
February 11th, 2015 at 2:14 am
@bp
Oh bro, if you don’t think I’m having a laugh over here you’re kidding yourself.
February 11th, 2015 at 2:29 am
@Sun
It is evident to all that you are the man. May we all aspire to be just like you… Your outlook on life is so, how should we put it, uplifting. Good luck with that.
February 11th, 2015 at 2:32 am
@Steven
Big words for such a little girl. Did your mommy give you those, or did you find them in a ditch somewhere?
February 11th, 2015 at 3:03 am
@Sun,
What do you offer to the readers of this site? Nothing. That’s right, exactly nothing. Do you disagree? Are you offering something—anything—of actionable value? I thought not. You are a worthless windbag. That sucks, doesn’t it? Hey, no big deal, grow a little bit, and then you will have something to offer. Until then, shut your fucking pie hole—there is nothing you can offer that is of any benefit to Rollo readers. So just shut the fuck up, already, you fucking half-wit.
February 11th, 2015 at 3:14 am
@Steven
February 11th, 2015 at 9:03 am
Gents, pardon my intrusion, for one paragraph. Such a forum, exists to provoke enlighten, and educate. I am in another part of the world. I read here for my weekly mental strength.
Remain calm. Remain strong. Do not succumb to insults and vitriolic. Maintain a united( if possible) front. The feminists love to see you reduced to insults and ugly language. It only proves their point that man are ” barbaric.” If you are “men”, then present an argument relying on the powers of reason. Do not take the bait. This forum and blog represent sanctuary. It is our “club” Let us show “them” we are in control. At all times…
February 11th, 2015 at 9:08 am
Any sufficiently rational Red Pill observation is indistinguishable from hate to a Blue Pill conditioned mindset.
February 11th, 2015 at 9:15 am
And away we go gentlemen:
http://bitchmagazine.org/post/oh-joy-sex-toy-50-shades-of-grey
February 11th, 2015 at 10:27 am
What the fuck are morals really anyway?
It is only in this day and age that a question like this is asked and has any legitimacy or bearing. It’s a shame how base and bare our education has become.
February 11th, 2015 at 10:32 am
@Steven/Stevie
We don’t give a fuck whether you pity, loathe, admire or love us. No need for you to come and save us and show us the light, we are perfectly fine without you and your judgmental emotional appeals. Go to HUS or stay rambling here, whatever, it won’t make a difference, you’re not convincing anyone.
February 11th, 2015 at 10:43 am
Poor Stevie needs a woman to submit to, stat, otherwise that backbone he just showed might actually grow into something worth keeping.
February 11th, 2015 at 10:45 am
Rollo’s post-Feb 9, 2015.
Bitch media post about 50 shades-Feb 10, 2015.
You could easily make people believe you’re doing a Bruce Wayne disappears every time Bat Man shows up routine.
February 11th, 2015 at 10:49 am
@GhostOfJefferson
Honest philosophical discussion left high school and moved it’s way into a liberal-arts college elective a long long time ago. The one philosophy class I took at a junior college was probably the best class I ever took, bar none.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:02 am
@Mataton
“We don’t give a fuck whether you pity, loathe, admire or love us.”
Of course you don’t. You are in survival mode (a not uncommon thing.) And a totally rational thing, at that. Good luck with whatever it is you’re doing that brought you to Rollo’s site… or, expand your thinking…
February 11th, 2015 at 11:09 am
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/consent-isnt-enough-in-fifty-shades-of-grey/385267/
A thoroughly ambivalent and anxious attempt to grapple with these themes. On the conflict between those women loudly signaling their love of being dominated and those who want to deny and discourage it:
“There’s an interesting tension right now between the mainstreaming of S&M that Fifty Shades represents and also the mainstream horror at rape culture”
On the betazation of Christian by the end of the story:
“By the end of the third book, Christian gives up on being in a dominant/submissive relationship with Ana—his sexual preferences were a way of coping with childhood abuse, he realizes, and now that he has Ana, he doesn’t have to be that way any more. As Mitchell Kaplan, the bookseller in Florida, put it, it’s a story of redemption—meaning, of course, that Christian is redeemed from his deviant sexuality.”
It’s interesting that the prime demographic of fans of 50 Shades of Grey are married women aged 30-50 with children…i.e. those who’ve secured their BB and now froth at their alpha fantasy.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:14 am
That sounds extraordinarily repugnant to actual reality, Kate. Does that book really trivialize childhood trauma and infer that buffer behaviors eventually cure the disease?
Say what you will about men’s dreams… it’s women who actually love fantasy land.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:21 am
@Steven
It’s amusing how you try to keep the upper hand. Just so you know, the discovery of this site and the red pill in general has expanded my thinking more than anything else I’ve come across in the last 15 years, that is in the area where it applies of course, inter gender relations. And I’ve achieved more results in that area the past 6 months with that knowledge than I did the previous 20 years taking my cue from traditional media, academic and therapeutic sources. So if it’s the same for you, ( and also if it’s not), I’ll incorporate the stuff that works for and jettison the stuff that doesn’t.
I won’t feed you any further, give my regards to your hamster.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:31 am
Keep this in mind about that bitch media post, It took a lot of preparation and foresight to create that comic in such a fashion.
Published 3 days prior to the movie release.
Anyone still think this movie is just going to be glossed over? The rationales I mention in this post were deliberated well in advance.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:37 am
Next week, in fem-stream media, you will read the conflict between women who proudly, triumphantly, embrace Open Hypergamy and women who rely on the old form of Hypergamy being kept secret from men.
Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks will be on open display and it will tie the femosphere into knots with rationalization for and against the conflicting messages that 50 Shades of Grey represents to women.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:45 am
@Matason
I’m going to feed YOUR hamster here for just a moment. Good for you that the manosphere has opened your eyes to reality… truly. That is a very great thing. The more human beings that open their eyes, the better.
But the manosphere is merely a way station. Where will you go beyond that? Wethinks that you are a spiritual creature, endowed with all that that entails. We have high hopes for you, brother. Enjoy your journey.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:58 am
@Kryptokate’s link.
I hate being right all the time.
February 11th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
Naturally the next phase is for the FI to convince enough Betas that it’s perfectly OK and natural for women to seek AF outside of committed relationships with their BB. As well the new message will be that sex is no big deal and the things that really count in a relationship aren’t sexual. So it’s perfectly coherent to claim great love for a beta that she won’t blow, while pulling Alpha trains on weekends.
This new order of things will hopefully con the betas to keep slaving in active support of their own destruction.
February 11th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
The Angry bitch article indicates that the movie’s going to end (and I guess the book did too) in a tame the alpha way.
I wonder if it’s going to be as visual as women are probably hoping for.
February 11th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
the trailer is just out for Trainwreck, starts with “monogamy isn’t realistic”
https://amp.twimg.com/v/16d03d22-1b9c-4446-9d87-0027d808f1d1
February 11th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
Atlantic article indicated that. Got my tabs mixed up.
February 11th, 2015 at 12:41 pm
Lucky White Male asked me this in the last thread:
February 11th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
@Badpainter
Dude, what world are you living in? Things are bad, really bad, there is no doubt about it. But this that you’re espousing is merely your own individual construct. Look, I would never deny someone his own individual construct, but thoughtlessly laying it onto others is some serious business. Are you sure you want to be involved in that?
February 11th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Finding alpha and beta in the same man means the woman has to dilute her feels. She’ll never believe the purity of an alpha with beta traits, and she’ll never accept her beta acting the alpha.
She must find AF in his natural state, or it’s tainted. And she can’t accept alpha from someone she’s prejudged beta.
Optimization for women means she must find AF and BB in their purest forms. That means farming Betas by the millions, while seeking AF for her alpha-widow notch.
So yeah, sounds exactly right Rollo/BP.
February 11th, 2015 at 1:34 pm
@Steven, ah, Chokmah, welcome back to the “cult” swami.February 11th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
I actually wish they would have released this instead:
February 11th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
Roll check
.http://www.businessinsider.com/which-sexual-fantasies-are-normal-2014-10
February 11th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
@Jeremy
Poor Stevie needs a woman to submit to, stat, otherwise that backbone he just showed might actually grow into something worth keeping.
You saw backbone? I watched a little girl fail to maintain frame and pitch a fit in the face of obvious manipulation. (And I made that shit really obvious)
February 11th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
You’re right, internet commenting with harsh language is a far cry from backbone. I overstated my case.
February 11th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
@redlight
Trainwreck
From just that clip, I’m seeing something that reads like the script of hitting the eject button right at The Wall and landing safely in BB territory just like all girls were promised. Is this the new modern American fairy tale?
February 11th, 2015 at 2:40 pm
@Rollo,
What about the thoughts that I have shared with you, rather than the entity behind them? After all, isn’t that what we’re doing here? Hashing out thoughts that cannot be hashed out elsewhere? Isn’t that the purpose of your site? (An awesome service, btw.)
“Swami” – 1773, ” an idol,” later, “religious teacher” (1901), from Hindi swami “master” (used as a term of address to a Brahmin), from Sanskrit svami (genitive svaminas) “lord, master,” from sva-s “one’s own” (cognate with Latin sui ; see idiom ) + amah “pressure, vehemence.”
Who’s the “swami” here? (And yes, swamis are some greasy creatures.)
February 11th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Good post, Rollo.
I haven’t read through all the comments so maybe these points have been made.
1. A woman doesn’t want to tell a man how to be dominant, or how to take charge, or even that she wants him to take charge. She doesn’t want to have to say any of it, or point it out. She thinks that if she does have to say it, and he then does it, he’s not really in charge – he is doing all this ONLY because she wants him to do it. Therefore, to her, it’s not authentic, it’s not “real”. He’s only “gotten it” because she told him to “get it”.
2. My experience tells me that a woman wants to be claimed. (I don’t know how else to say it.) She wants a man to say about her and manifest the attitude toward her that “this is my woman”. “This is my wife.” “She is my woman and no one else’s woman.” Most women will not admit this, I think, but a woman feels safe and secure when an arousing man claims her as “his own”.
3. All women, from the most demure, sweet housewife to the most ballbusting dominant boardroom CEO, want a “take charge” man behind closed doors in the bedroom. The amount of dominance a woman wants and needs will vary, but she will still want an arousing man who tells her in the bedroom what he wants and how he wants her to do it.
February 11th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
When I was in school for computer animation, we had a teacher for video editing that sat us down and told us he was going to ruing movie watching for us forever. We watched The Rock, but had a requirement to count the edits in the movie to understand pacing. For about a year after I couldn’t watch a movie without counting the edits. To this day I find myself subconsciously doing it to try and figure out what kind of mood the director and editor are trying to push the audience towards.
The Red Pill has done the same thing to every interaction I have with other people or media. It’s really odd. On the one hand, it can make enjoying a lot of things I would have enjoyed before pretty much impossible, but on the other I’m really glad I see where I’m being covertly or overtly manipulated in to thinking against my own self-interests. It makes it impossible to enjoy some things I might have enjoyed before on the intended level, but I’ve started to find entertainment in spotting the manipulation in a lot of cases.
It does get kind of boring though. Things get predictable and start to feel like they’ve lost their luster. I begin to suspect this is the point where a man has to start looking for the goals that excite him and drive him forward, but I’m having trouble really finding them. The nearest I can come to it is to say “I want to discover and achieve my true potential as a Man”, but how I specifically will do that is still uncertain.
I think Rollo touched on this in http://therationalmale.com/2014/09/29/a-new-hope/ but it’s surprisingly difficult to find a way forward to what will really drive me for the future. You think “I’m me, I’ve been me my whole life, surely I know what I want,” but when it comes right down to it you don’t know because you’ve been conditioned only to look out for the wants and needs of others your whole life to this point.
A difficult place to be. I feel I have all the knowledge I need to strike out on the path forward, but now I can’t find the path.
February 11th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
@Steven
Are you so daft as to not realize that your “thoughts” are exactly what mainstream thinking currently is? “Cannot be hashed out elsewhere”? Are you kidding? You have to, you know, actually say something in some way controversial before you can claim it can’t be hashed out elsewhere. If you really think those shared thoughts of yours were unique, I suggest you return to planet Earth and start a fecesbook account.
February 11th, 2015 at 2:52 pm
@Jeremy
fecesbook
It had never occurred to me to call it this. I like it.
February 11th, 2015 at 2:55 pm
I can see a latent purpose for 50SOG.
The betaization of Grey at the end reminds me of when Dan Draper was doing some serious Alpha dominance of the neighbor he was poking. In the end, she dumped him for it. To a BP mindset, the lesson would be: see, you can’t do that if you want to keep your woman.
So why would the fem want to encourage that?
To help sort the real Alphas from the Betas.
February 11th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
@Rollo
Wow. You retroactively changed my handle to “Chokmah”. That is some dirty pool, right there. I have no idea who “Chokmah” is. But let’s assume for a moment that I am this mythical “Chokmah” (I’m not). So what? What about the ideas of the mythical “Chokmah”? Do you even care to address them, or do you simply prefer to fuck around in WordPress changing the handles of commenters? I presented my case and spoke directly and plainly to those who took issue with it. What about this do you have a problem with? I couldn’t have been more fair about it. Dirty pool, but such is life.
February 11th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
@Stevenatalie
Dirty pool, but such is life.
Until you stop acting and posting like a girl, I will be combining some portion of your name with a girl’s name when I refer to you. Rest assured that I will make sure to quote come portion of your post in order to reassure you that I am referring to you as a girl and not someone else. When you regain possession of your balls, you will regain your name.
Is this clear enough, sweetheart?
Rollo responded to your initial round of tripe by suggesting you read one of his earlier articles. You have either failed to do so or in doing so failed to read for comprehension. He’s been writing this site for 4 years. You’re not addressing something he hasn’t covered and in the process of pressing the issue are making an ass of yourself in front of everyone here.
February 11th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
I’ve never seen a tampon whine on so much
February 11th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
“Any sufficiently rational Red Pill observation is indistinguishable from hate to a Blue Pill conditioned mindset.”
That’s a really good one there.
Man expecting sex in a relationship = misogyny
Man breaks up with woman because of bad sex and maltreatment = misogyny
Man points out a bad female behavior = misogyny
Man points out that some women slut around = misogyny
Man points out a truth about female nature = misogyny
Man helps other man avoid bad woman and/or extricate himself from bad relationship = misogyny
February 11th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
@Sun Wukong
“From just that clip, I’m seeing something that reads like the script of hitting the eject button right at The Wall and landing safely in BB territory just like all girls were promised. Is this the new modern American fairy tale?”
exactly, a fairy tale for women
the BB now has to be somewhat chaste before meeting his True Love ™, the FI has completely flipped the script of 50 years ago
February 11th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
We now see, loud and clear, exactly what is the commenter gallery that Rollo is cultivating. Sorry to the silent readership, but you can now see with your own eyes what is taking place here.
Look, I’m not going to pick at this wound. I wish you all the best. @Rollo, it’s your site. I don’t want to compete with WordPress admin login permissions. You win. Free discussion of ideas, well, that’s a different matter.
February 11th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
@Stevemily
You win.
Awww, poor thing. Tell you what: I’ll offer you a nice easy question for serious discussion of your subject.
Have you ever talked to an actual real girl without dialing 1-900 first?
February 11th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Re: Stephen
What a douche.
For all his talk about ideas he presented nothing but patronizing shame as criticism, and a few assertions of amusing notions. Sadly nothing as a substantial as an idea was brought forth. I guessing that’s no great loss.
February 11th, 2015 at 3:50 pm
You can discuss ideas Stevie, but don’t bring me blue-pill tripe and try to convince me I should intellectually self-pleasure to it’s awesomeness.
February 11th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
@Rollo: I’m on record at Dalrock’s as predicting that within the next decade we will see the production and acceptance of Christian Kosher pornography. My speculation was that it would need to be within the confines of Biblical marriage, so the plot would probably revolve around a couple of newly married, hip, “relevant” Christians and the rationale would be one of instructing married couples (and only married couples) about the joy of Godly sex.
http://www.harlequin.com/store.html?cid=236
I tried reading one once just for kicks. No explicit sex scenes but its intent was unmistakeable.
February 11th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
“exactly, a fairy tale for women”
If it was a fairy tale, we wouldn’t be observing and discussing it. There wouldn’t be so many burnt Betas coming here looking for answers.
It’s reality for many women because the majority of men are Blue Pill conditioned.
It won’t become a fairy tale until TRP spreads to a critical mass of men.
I think Radicalizing the Romanceless is a brilliant piece of covert Black-Knighting. I’m going to work on my covert skills because directly stating the truth out there doesn’t seem to work well.
February 11th, 2015 at 4:35 pm
@jacklabear
I would argue that it is specifically because so many betas are getting burned. The fairy tale aspect is that they will be happy in BB land after spending their whole lives on the CC getting pumped and dumped by alpha after alpha. It’s the exact script the FI has spent 50 years selling, and it’s the exact script that ends with beta divorce rape when she’s not haaaaaaappy.
February 11th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
@Stevie, I’m sorry, did you see any of your comments deleted? Did I insist on putting anything you typed into moderation? Do I have a banned list of commenters?
You’re free to post whatever you feel strongly about here, just don’t expect to sockpuppet and not be called out for trolling behind multiple personas.
February 11th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
@Sun Wukong: “It does get kind of boring though. Things get predictable and start to feel like they’ve lost their luster. I begin to suspect this is the point where a man has to start looking for the goals that excite him and drive him forward, but I’m having trouble really finding them. The nearest I can come to it is to say “I want to discover and achieve my true potential as a Man”, but how I specifically will do that is still uncertain.
I think Rollo touched on this in http://therationalmale.com/2014/09/29/a-new-hope/ but it’s surprisingly difficult to find a way forward to what will really drive me for the future. You think “I’m me, I’ve been me my whole life, surely I know what I want,” but when it comes right down to it you don’t know because you’ve been conditioned only to look out for the wants and needs of others your whole life to this point.”
Everyone comes at this issue with different difficulties and obstacles, but this article helped with a few of mine:
http://dirtsimple.org/2006/08/how-to-decide-what-you-want.html
February 11th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
You’re right. But they can replace the betas as needed.
The advantage for the alphas in all this is that the women are getting bucks from the exes, and the alphas can even skim some of that for themselves. The betas are forced to pay for their own cuckolding.
February 11th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
@forgetthesky
Wow, I feel culturally cuckolded…
http://www.harlequin.com/storeitem.html;jsessionid=58821A77BAE4D1A19B99AB4914406562?iid=57029&cid=236
February 11th, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Another, lol…
http://www.harlequin.com/storeitem.html?iid=56568&cid=236
These books have all the appearances of Hardy Boys, only from an FI perspective.
At least when I read a Hardy Boys book, I wasn’t learning how to lovingly infringe on another person’s sexual optimization path.
February 11th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
Jacklabear- “The betas are forced to pay for their own cuckolding.”
It’s an excise tax on hope.
February 11th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
lol…
http://www.harlequin.com/storeitem.html?iid=53557&cid=236
February 11th, 2015 at 5:14 pm
Hrm, Do these novels make you feel like you’re in the wrong business? I’ll bet I could almost write a script to pump out stories like this just by changing the professions/backgrounds of the characters… then self-publish in an e-book format and watch the cash flow come in.
I’ll bet the subroutines to create such software already exists within think tanks like Google, etc. All it takes is a few tweaks to each novel output from an RP perspective, and you can likely optimize your offerings to the audience.
February 11th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
NOW do you feel cuckolded?
http://www.vermontteddybear.com/sellgroup/fifty-shades-of-grey-bear.aspx?bhcp=1
February 11th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
“Badpainter
February 11th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
Jacklabear- “The betas are forced to pay for their own cuckolding.”
It’s an excise tax on hope.”
Hence the need to excise hope.
February 11th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
You make a valid point, an S&M teddy bear would be worse to wake up to than her leaving me for a small town billionaire. At least with the billionaire, there’s game. Gaming out a fantasy hypergamy solution is much harder.
February 11th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
I now know another reason to Kill the Beta vigorously.
13 years ago I was on an email Deida discussion list. The alpha male of the group correctly diagnosed me as “reverse polarized and in your feminine for a long time”. ie BP indoctrinated.
A recommended cure was to practice being in my Masculine (up Alpha, kill Beta), and push it to the point of being “a real pig”. The reason to up it to the max is that while the brain is plastic, it is also elastic. You will end up moving back towards beta somewhat.
Whether some BP tendencies are firmware or not, beta traits ill serve a man in 21st century USA.
Sex with 3 different women in one day was my way of pushing it, but apparently it wasn’t enough. I moved the hottest plate in with me, but a year later I responded to a major shit test by nexting her by self destructing. Although I now know about shit tests, I need to do at least another round to treat that firmware beta.
Any suggestions for what to do?
February 11th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
@Jeremy
I… can’t even begin to express what I feel seeing “HEARTWARMING INSPIRATIONAL ROMANCE” on the cover of a book with “Small-Town Billionaire“. The bullshit is so dense I suspect every single one of those books collapses in to a black hole as soon as it’s finished printing.
February 11th, 2015 at 6:03 pm
@jacklabear
Any suggestions for what to do?
I would practice nexting without the self-destruction.
February 11th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
None of you guys will ever even BEGIN to understand what it actually means to get cucked until you walk in on your girlfriend/wife being fucked by an Alpha dinosaur. Trust me, it’s not a place you want to be.
Taken by the T-Rex (Dinosaur Erotica)
February 11th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
Internal beta killing is also a topic I’d like to read suggestions on.
February 11th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
@ Sun Wukong
“I would practice nexting without the self-destruction.”
Yeah,
I was talking to a psychologist about a chance I had to marry a 22yo Laotian girl. he said “if you do that, you’ll need an exit strategy first”.
I couldn’t think of any good ones post marrying.
February 11th, 2015 at 6:13 pm
I so want to put “Small-Town Billionaire, will handcuff you for fun.” on the bumper of my truck.
February 11th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
Jeremy,
“I so want to put “Small-Town Billionaire, will handcuff you for fun.” on the bumper of my truck.”
Sounds like a good idea for an RP black-knight product.
Why not make money by spreading RP? That kind of thing has more potential than PUA lessons.
February 11th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
“Christian Grey is my sub”
February 11th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
Hey, hey, hey… women are fucking awesome, iffff you’re a small-town billionaire.
February 11th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
@Softek
Ahahaha, I had almost forgotten about those. I’m almost tempted to buy one just to support the hilarious ridiculousness of it. The covers alone are sheer brilliance.
February 11th, 2015 at 6:53 pm
@Rollo
Shit, so that’s what I’ve been doing wrong all this time…
On a somewhat related note, I think I’ve found what I’ll be wearing Saturday night.
http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/hopeless-romantic-seeks-filthy-whore
February 11th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
Rollo,
It’s become quite apparent to me that white men have a genetic weakness to female pedestelization/white knighting embedded within them. In no other culture does female hypergamy run so rampant. How can the apex technological civilization created by white men have such a critical weakness?
I see racial hatred dialing up at Heartiste and many other sites, and I can only think of one cause: white men are directing their sexual frustration toward an unrelated issue. Race is the bogeyman against which white men take up arms, instead of reining in their own women’s behavior.
Was it African Americans that gave women the vote? Was it Muslim immigrants that gave women alimony/child support and preferred legal status in family and criminal courts? Was it Hispanic border-hoppers that allowed women to file false rape accusations, imprison men without evidence, and hold their children ransom?
Obviously not, but increasingly I hear sexually frustrated white men blame race for all their ills. This is not the first time this has happened Rollo. World War II started because a young German boy was denied the carnal knowledge of a young German girl.
A white man killed 3 Muslim students today. I will probably bet that he was single and/or divorced. What this implies is that a white man would rather MURDER INNOCENTS than to confront a white female and control her hypergamy.
Why do you think white women are more likely to indulge in interracial relationships? Do you really think its because they see one race as superior? No, they see clearly which individuals have the spine to dominate a woman, and which ones would rather kill people rather than say “no, woman”.
White men are plenty pseudo-dominant when it comes to killing other men. As soon as they are confronted with a female, they become spineless, simpering pathetic creatures. I’ve seen this without fail in every single “alpha” white man. They think dominance is finishing on a girl’s face. No, dominance is ruthlessly exerting your will upon her in every aspect of life. Physically, mentally, emotionally, financially and psychologically.
What white men need isn’t “Game”, its a spine. You aren’t Dark Triad if you only apply those traits to other men. You are a pussy masquerading as a dominant man.
Look at the last thread, where men went on about how it was moral/immoral to fornicate with married men’s girlfriends and wives because it is “the woman’s choice”. Really? It’s the woman’s choice? Men who built civilization, the atomic bomb, electricity and the internet, bend over and let their society become a hypergamy wonderland, because they are so pathetic that they really believe that women have choice?
Women only have the choices WHITE MEN GIVE THEM. Your spineless, pathetic ancestors sold you into female slavery. And instead of confronting the issue like men, you slink away and sneak around sniffing for pussy, being real careful not to tread on a female’s toes.
If the white race dies, I say good riddance. This is the most pathetic genetic trait I have ever encountered in an organism. An inability to reign in and dominate a weaker creature through the force of strength and intellect that nature has granted you.
Disgusting.
February 11th, 2015 at 7:20 pm
@jacklabear
“Any suggestions for what to do?”
Keep at it and don’t be impatient. Rollo has good reasons for not giving specific suggestions.
You have to get past the fake it till you make it stage and be a self- actualized Alpha.
Re-Read Dream Girls and Children with Dynamite.
http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/22/dream-girls-and-children-with-dynamite/
February 11th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
“It’s become quite apparent to me that white men have a genetic weakness to female pedestelization/white knighting embedded within them. In no other culture does female hypergamy run so rampant. How can the apex technological civilization created by white men have such a critical weakness?”
It’s part of K selection. It was necessary for survival in cold Europe.
February 11th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
There are two objectives women focus on.
1. Scamming pathetic beta wussies to provide them with lives of leisure.
2. Attracting alpha males to fuck and then clinging, whining, and balling like the fuck entitled them to ownership of the alpha after they figured out he has a mind of his own and wasn’t created to be her ultimate sexual romance fantasy pet.
Two changes must occur before the FI and hypergamy are under control.
1. Women are no longer allowed to vote.
2. Contraceptive pills are no longer produced.
Sorry, it’s too late.