Strange things happen to women at the onset of menopause. Most mature men who’ve experienced it firsthand can attest to the obvious symptoms: Hot flashes, loss of libido, vaginal dryness, mood swings and irritability, but do have a quick look at the list I’ve linked here to get a better understanding of just how nature eventually punishes women as the last of their eggs decay to a fine powdery dust.
Change in body odor, brittle nails, incontinence, weight gain, irregular heartbeat, depression, anxiety, panic disorder, fatigue, allergies, osteoporosis – these late life symptoms are hardly something most men give any consideration for when they’re contemplating a lifetime of marriage with a woman.
Most of the manosphere will tell you marriage is simply never worth the financial risk, or that a woman always has the option to detonate the marriage and take the kids at a moments notice, but how often do you read a Red Pill guy tell you about how the hot piece of ass who became your long term ONEitis will eventually experience some (possibly all) of the 34 Symptoms of Menopause roughly 20-25 years after you say ‘I do’ (assuming it lasts so long)?
Those symptoms, in varying combinations, make for some very disconcerting prospects for a guy who’s been a keen supplicant supportive Beta for the entirety of his marriage, believing that the privilege of being married means he’s getting his wife’s sexual best when it matters most. It kind of puts things into a lifetime perspective when you consider that Mr. Dependability (Beta Bucks) gets to accommodate the symptoms of menopause while Bad Boys enjoyed her sexual best before he arrived on the set.
Add to this that at least 66-70% of (at least western) women will become overweight and/or morbidly obese during their lives and it doesn’t bode well for the enduring SMV that most unassuming men are banking on for a long term marriage with the 28-30 year old dream girl who’s now suddenly gotten right with herself enough to want to get married.
Side note: it’s interesting how closely female-male bone density decay comparison charts mirrors my SMV graph.
Nature Abhors a Vacuum Barren Womb
There’s some very brutal evolutionary truth behind the biological realities of menopause.
Anyone familiar with The Red Queen by Matt Ridley or The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins will get the gist of menopause’s intrinsic message – survival-side evolution essentially gives up on women once they reach a point where they are no longer reproductively viable.
Hormone imbalances, immunodeficiency, nutritional, vitamin and mineral (most notably calcium) deficiencies, neurological disorders triggered by plummeting estrogen levels, and many more physical debilitations make it obvious that a woman who’s reached the age when she ceases to be a reproductive asset becomes a species-collective liability. Unless she has some honored status or useful, learned wisdom to pass on, she becomes dead weight to a human tribe’s interests in survival efficiency and propagation.
While it’s a testament to our success as a social species that we’ve achieved a capacity to prolong our lives, there are certain glaring evidences of how our physiology evolved for efficiency within set frames of time during a (previously average) lifespan. The physical changes that come with the onset of menopause and the constancy of presenting the appearance of youth and vigor for women is one such example, post-menopausal hormone therapy another.
So too is the convenient timing of the myth of the biological clock and the social conventions structured around it to provide a woman with the maximum amount of time to sort out her hypergamous options. It’s no coincidence that women’s Epiphany Phase is concurrent with the latter stages of her fertility window (27-32 y.o.) – the social conventions of the Feminine Imperative are nothing if not efficient at maximizing women’s sexual strategy potential.
At every occasion, in every form of media, a rapidly westernizing, feminine-primary social order seeks to reshape and deemphasize the physical realities women of previous eras had the benefit of a socialized understanding (if not a collective wisdom) to accept and prepare for. In an age of hormone therapy, sperm banks and ovum freezing as part of a company benefits program, the latent message to women is that they need not concern themselves with these previously life-fulfillment limiting physical realities to coincide with their personal choices.
The Feminine Imperative will go to great lengths, socially and legally, to convince contemporary women that they aren’t in fact tied to the realities of their physical conditions. In a social sense, the incentive is the same “have it all” mentality with the prerequisite social conventions in place to lessen the blow when women realize they can’t actually realize what the feminine-primary advertising suggested.
In a physical sense the Feminine Imperative will gratuitously incentivize funding for every feminine-specific medical condition while simultaneously deemphasizing (to the point of encouraging indifference) any male-specific disease, legally, financially and socially. It’s a testament to the efforts of the imperative that modern women statistically outlive men in spite of the physical debilitations associated with menopause.
But for all this effort in engineering generations of women to become über-women, the same pesky, evolved limitations still influence their decision making.
Echoes of The Wall
New commenter (and I use the term loosely), unilantern, graciously provides us with some insight on this with her comments on The Wall:
This is a myth, i can tell you how i know. Any man would pass up a 20 year old in shape woman who is strong and athletic for a 30 something feminine type in a dress who is willing to submit.
Its the same reason men pass up pretty young women from a lower social class bracket in favour of more mature well spoken mutton.
So keep up with the clock ticking nonsense, and remember time waits for no man.
I will let you know how i used to think for most of my 20s! And how i think now.
I used to think, do i have to wait until im too old and tied to feel like going about the world to be able to do so without sexual harassment, do i have to be nearing the menopause to no longer be seen as here for reproductive meat.
Then at age 30, and now at age 33 i look back at all the years of youth and energy and wish i could have had the type of conditional freedom i have now then. Women have to be too old to have the energy to do anything before they get their body for themselves and by the time it comes its not worth having, having to compete with men for your own body is the real reality of women, and yes time is ticking.
I bet i will be there at 40 with unconditional freedom, as in no harassment no matter what i wear or do!
Tick tok!
I found unilantern’s (perhaps drunken) comment’s particularly ironic in light of all the attention generated by various staged and / or edited viral videos recently of women being cat-called while walking for longer than most women’s work day in, shall we say, less than reputable neighborhoods. Despite an obvious effort in preserving the necessary female-victimization trope, a certain demographic of post-menopausal women suffering from confirmation bias (and probably some post-menopausal neuroses) genuinely want to believe these pseudo-documentaries at face value – even after they’ve been falsified and confirmed as such.
Ironic, because unilantern’s rationalizations and denial of The Wall are rooted precisely in the designed social conventions the Feminine Imperative would have both sexes agree upon. There’s never really a Wall per se when women are convinced they can ‘have it all’ socially, physically and psychologically. And again, the latent purpose of this social convention is to convince women (and to evoke agreement among men) that they are exempt from the physical realities that confine them at various phases of their maturation.
Women want to be men. This is the legacy that a since-decayed feminist social impetus has imparted to the generations of both men and women who’ve come after the Gloria Steinem’s got married themselves and blew away. Women need to be the men of tomorrow. I suppose I should’ve seen this messaging long before, and in honesty I think the greater part of Matrix thinking revolves around role reversal, but this is more than reversal. Women want to be men.
If a man can wait until his maturation develops, his achievements are more actualized and his SMV peaks at 38-40, equalism says “why shouldn’t you Man-Girl?”
As I work my way through the second draft of my next book, I’m beginning to see and build upon the real-world physical underpinnings women are subject to which motivate both the social buffers and the reasoning for their moving into the various mental phases of maturity I outline in the Preventative Medicine series of posts.
At an earlier phase, women claim to deplore their sexual objectification while young and subjected to the lascivious attentions of the mythical Male Gaze. This is recently decried by the cat-call videos I mentioned above, but yet before these videos were ever contrived, older women, women in a later phase of maturity, had already decried how horrible it is to be “invisible to men” and how they yearn to hold male attention as they once did in their youth:
Women feel invisible to the opposite sex at the age of 51, it emerged yesterday.
A detailed study of 2,000 women revealed a large percentage felt they no longer received the level of attention they once did after hitting 51.
Many even went as far as to admit they felt ‘ignored’.
The women claimed their confidence plummeted after hitting 50 and blamed greying hair, having to to wear glasses or even struggling to find fashionable clothes.
The lifestyle study, commissioned by herbal remedies company, A.Vogel, also found more than two thirds of women over 45 had walked into a room and felt ‘completely unnoticed’ by the opposite sex.
And this is yet again another conflict between what the social conventions of the Feminine Imperative has taught women and the physical realities of the conditions they wishfully hope they can be exempted from. When a man makes women aware of The Wall, intentional or innocently, the response is usually one of “Well, you men get fat and old and insecure later in life too”, and that may very well be for the majority of men. However, the differences is men don’t have a life-time of social infrastructure to convince and disappoint themselves that they can ever be exempt from a lack of performance.
No social order has ever sold men the idea that they can simply ‘have‘ it all.
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:48 pm
stuttie said “Her pussodometer would probably read 1.5 cock miles.” Reckon it might be a pussometer.
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:58 pm
Stuttie: ” I just think the term diet implies the restricting of food . . .”
I know, that’s the problem. That’s the way most people on the street think of it, or even more precisely most people, most of the time, think it means the restricting of food Calories, which is a different meaning yet again. But that isn’t what the word means and it isn’t the way any dietician or trainer worth a damn will use it. When they ask you tell them about your diet, they aren’t asking you to tell them what you don’t eat, they’re asking you to tell them what you do eat.
The correct, both English and technical, term for a restricted diet is . . . “restricted diet.” The power of adjectives! One of the great linguistic inventions of all time. It’s part of what makes English the most powerful prose language ever conceived. It’s the reason there is only one word for snow. We don’t need 49 words, because we have thousands of adjectives, and adverbs, and can even combine adjectives and adverbs. Pity the linguistically poor Inuit who only has 49 descriptors for snow.
The gently falling, neon green, candy cane flavored dendrites. Say that in an Inuit language.
So, after asking you about your diet, if you don’t bring it up yourself, the dietician may also ask you if you have any dietary restrictions.
If they then say that they are going to put you on a nutritional regimen, what they are saying is that the diet they formulate for you will have a specific nutritional make up. Say, 1g protein/lb lean body mass, 70% fat by calories and 2400 Iu of vitamin D3 daily.
Now the Paleo diet in most formulations makes some general recommendations for nutritional makeup, but it is principally defined by its restriction of foods. Neolithic foods? Restricted!
So, there ya go, it’s a type of food restricted diet.
And by the way, I think the Paleo diet is a perfectly fine one, as is the primal and the Owsley, though at current rates I have to eat a lot more eggs than Owsley. I need to go out and shoot more woodchuck, which will also allow me to tie more Adirondack Haystack trout flies, so i can catch more fish come spring.
Post menapausal women tend not to show up for dinner when I tell them we’re having woodchuck. Wat’s wit dat?
December 2nd, 2014 at 11:28 pm
Rollo Tomassi
December 2nd, 2014 at 7:14 pm
“Never underestimate the power of Beta sexual deprivation:”
But Rollo, she got $500-$1000 an hour.
She must be a quality woman. In fact that she got that 10,000 times proves that she is an extremely high quality woman. And some lucky beta is going to get it happily ever after for free!
December 2nd, 2014 at 11:42 pm
jacklabear – “And some lucky beta is going to get it happily ever after for free!”
My guess is she’s all sold out.
December 2nd, 2014 at 11:54 pm
kfj – I appreciate the English lesson & fyi it’s ‘dietitian’.
Interesting fact – Less than 4% of dietitians in the UK are male. https://www.bda.uk.com/news/view?id=16
Fact: “young women in the UK are fatter than anywhere else in western Europe with one in 12 being clinically obese, a study has shown”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/uk-women-are-fattest-in-western-europe-1-in-12-are-clinically-obese-9450203.html
With the pandemic of obesity & the remedy being to “”diet” (which has obviously failed) – maybe the terminology used should reflect something else entirely (who cares how many syllables it requires). That’s why I hate using the term diet – it means failure to me.
Anyway, back on-topic…
December 3rd, 2014 at 12:04 am
Rollo,
This made me think of something that I have observed.
Male sociopaths tend to mellow as they get older (not always) but you see it in the crime statistics, crime is generally a young man’s game.
Female Sociopaths tend to get crazier as they get older and menopause would seem to be the best explanation for why the veneer of sanity tends to flake away more.
December 3rd, 2014 at 3:03 am
@jacklabear
> And some lucky beta is going to get it
> happily ever after for free!
LOL- in the sexual marketplace there ain’t no free lunch.
Several guys have calculated the Cost Per Fuck (CPF) for wives and compared it to the CPF for escorts.
The escorts always win on a dollar cost average basis.
Always
Do a search on Frank Shark’s book “How to Be the Jerk Women Love.” His CPF calculation comparing wives to prostitutes is very conservative- and the escorts win hands down.
It was the guys fucking our friend from Australia when she was an escort who were getting the best financial deal.
December 3rd, 2014 at 5:49 am
Badders :- ” .. it was obvious the Europeans were incapable of governing themselves without ze Chermanz dragging the whole world into a bloodbath every 20 years or so. The Europeans being self reflective and ashamed tossed the cultural babies and the bath water away and ze Chermanz invented a new terror weapon,
post modernismthe Frankfurt School. ”Fixado!
Of course with their new, less-military Empire of the Hun, they’re now enjoying their rightful place in the sun (Dodecanese, Baleares and Canarias mostly, I find. I do wish they wouldn’t do it stark bollock naked though. Well the old ones at least. Should have kept the smart uniforms IMO, less terrifying).
December 3rd, 2014 at 5:54 am
Rassers :- “crime is generally a young man’s game.” As is “running away from the cops successfully”.
December 3rd, 2014 at 5:59 am
“young women in the UK are fatter than anywhere else in western Europe with one in 12 being clinically obese”
Natural selection old thing.
There have been repeated seasons of longstanding and extensive winter flooding here recently, particularly in Englandshire.
Only the downright bloaters float long enough to be hauled into drydock by naval tugs.
December 3rd, 2014 at 6:24 am
From Ms. Goff, she’s seen da light:
“Amazingly, Goff said her services made men “better husbands”. Men, Goff believes, are hard done by and are often neglected by their wives.”
“Goff said she realised how the stresses of modern life could affect a couple’s sex life.
‘I was a wife too — I was too tired, too fat,’ she said.”
“‘When you take a vow of marriage, men keep to it they provide. Women need to keep to their side to the bargain,’ she said.”
However she’s still being delusional in believing that her kids won’t turn on her due to her revelations later in life IMO.
December 3rd, 2014 at 6:40 am
Tam the Bam – “Fixado”
I still blame the French.
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:18 am
re: “It’s not the years, it’s the mileage.”
Amen to that. Also, the maintenance.
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:22 am
@Tam re: Sophocles
Actually it was Cephalus who said that he was glad to have outlived the tyranny of sexual desire that had plagued him for the past seven decades or so (I think he was quite aged, especially for back then, and sickly too).
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:26 am
@Badpainter re: “my observation the girls are taught to seek power for themselves, while boys are admonished to use their power for good not evil, which assumes boys have power to start with. So there’s already a paradox where power is goal state for women, and tool, with safety instructions, for men. Women don’t appear to be taught that power has responsibility attached.”
Awesome observation, cosigned. Men are being trained to be tools, to be wielded by “powerful” women.
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:29 am
re: old woman smell.
There is nothing quite so manhood-producing as the scent of a fertile young woman at the nape of her neck, unless it be the odors at the base of her spine. But I like old-woman smell too.
December 3rd, 2014 at 9:09 am
Keep it up Rollo. The best way to approach all these problems is to unplug men from the matrix.
The beta men are what give solidification to the myths of the Feminine Imperative. If beta men didn’t buy into those myths too, and weren’t so thirsty and self-degrading — i.e., if they had a clue — where would women have to turn to? It’s much harder to stay delusional when there’s no one else around you that’s feeding into those delusions.
I’m a living, breathing example of the fact that being “thirsty” is no excuse for being a chump and giving in to the FI. My version of “spinning plates” lately has been flirting with at least three or four different girls on a regular basis. I’m not getting laid yet. But I’m getting some signs of interest, and I’ve been making an effort to keep things as sexual as possible, even if only slightly. And they’re all very cute. Girls my age, up to a few years younger. Before I was lusting after girls at least a few years older than me, in one case that woman I’d hooked up with turned out to be a single mom that was 17 years older than me.
Even right now, at a point in my life where I’m still a virgin and am completely deprived of touch/intimacy of any kind, and have been for YEARS…I can integrate Red Pill truths for my own benefit.
And also not let the ‘thirst’ overwhelm me. I have the best excuse to be thirsty out of anyone I know. But that’s all it is — an excuse. A great excuse to have a problem.
All men need to concern themselves with, whether they’re virgins or ex-husbands or whatever, are Red Pill truths. Learn them inside out, make them a part of your mental framework, and improve yourself. For all intents and purposes you might as well leave your past behind, save for any practical insights you can get from looking back on past experiences.
I’ve tried to tell a few of my friends about the Red Pill, and they won’t listen. I don’t know why. Too brainwashed into believing there’s a “one.” I feel bad for my friend recently who has been chokeholded into making a commitment to this girl. She’s got him wrapped around her finger.
He won’t listen to what I have to say. The sad part is outside of his relationship with her, he’s one of the most Alpha guys I know. He doesn’t take shit from ANYONE. He will literally tell anyone, regardless of whether he just met them or has known them his whole life, to shut the fuck up if he doesn’t like what they’re talking about, or will just bluntly state how he doesn’t care about what they’re saying. A lot of times he just won’t respond to anything if he doesn’t feel like it, and he never laughs at anyone he doesn’t actually find funny. He has absolutely no qualms about making other people feel awkward if it’s a result of him speaking what’s on his mind.
But this girl is pussy whipping him into oblivion. Or trying to. I tried to tell him that the reason she’s still so into him is probably because up until now he refused to commit to her, was creating a lot of drama for her, etc. He’s been fucking a few girls. i.e., spinning plates without realizing he’s spinning plates.
He’s demonstrating higher value by continuing this behavior of refusing to commit to any one girl, and keeping a bunch of them in rotation. But this one girl is pressing him to exclusively commit to her, stop fucking other girls, stop ‘lying’ to her, etc. And he’s giving in.
I’m hoping at least something I said sunk in. That her interest in him is probably a result of his ‘reckless’ behavior, and that if he does exclusively commit to her, things are going to change. He just went “Hm” when I told him that. And then I made a joke, saying that the solution to feeling so horrible about her wanting him to commit to her was to go fuck 10 girls in a row, right now. Just tell her ‘okay, I’ll commit to you,’ and then go out and screw as many women as possible in the shortest time frame possible. And then get back to her with a comment along the lines of ‘Sorry, not sorry.’
I was kind of kidding. But in a way, not really. It was pretty funny. But I hope some of the truth sunk into him, even if it was only a little bit.
I didn’t mention she also ‘cheated’ on him before. She didn’t think anything of fucking some other guy, but expects my friend to stop having sex with other girls and commit to her. This might be different if she was a nicer, more traditional girl and was serious about starting a family — something my friend actually does want to do eventually —
— but he’s too young IMO to be considering monogamy, just like I am, so even in that case I think it’d be advisable to wait. Per Rollo’s recommendations that men don’t consider monogamous relationships until they’re at least in their 30’s and have had a chance to experience their peak SMV, where they’ll have the most options and can make the most informed choices. Especially with red pill knowledge.
December 3rd, 2014 at 9:47 am
@Softek
“I’ve tried to tell a few of my friends about the Red Pill, and they won’t listen. I don’t know why.”
Ego-invested manginas are extremely common, sadly. You can’t tell them about the Matrix. You must alow them to discover it and, in their moments of pain, gently demonstrate your understanding of what happened to them. I know your desire to spew everything out immediately, but bide your time and focus on your own life. When they see that you not only understand their pain but have your own life in order, they’ll seek your counsel.
“He has absolutely no qualms about making other people feel awkward if it’s a result of him speaking what’s on his mind.”
I have been this way for decades, yet been incredibly beta when it came to relationships. I’ve even had an owner of a company complain that I was “an asshole, but his audacity is what makes him good at what he does”. I’ve always spoken my mind, but that was due to being straight up physically abused as a child. Once a giant (read “man in his 30s while you’re 7″ in this case) has tossed you against a wall and you’ve survived, no one really scares you in physical confrontation anymore. But women… they can still hurt you because you’re emotionally vulnerable.
The good news is that when TRP takes hold in a guy like that, they get good at calling women on their shit real quick. I know I have. My mindset is not alpha yet, but I’ve made a lot of progress on that front.
Lead your friends by example. When their lives all continue to go to shit, and yours shows consistent, positive improvement they’ll notice. When you become the guy every man and woman around you looks to as a positive example of manhood, they’ll see it. When they’re in pain and you can explain exactly what’s happening to them and how you fixed it in yours, they’ll begin to listen and you can tell them the truth.
You’re trying right now to explicate. Don’t. Simply demonstrate.
December 3rd, 2014 at 10:00 am
@ Sun
Thanks, that’s very wise advice.
December 3rd, 2014 at 11:13 am
@ Sun
The good news is that when TRP takes hold in a guy like that, they get good at calling women on their shit real quick.
Did this to a young entitled princess yesterday for posting her boring, narcissistic crap that appeared in my news feed. Did she apologize? No, she’s entitled. At least she defriended me so I won’t see that crap any more. Problem solved. None of my other friends posts boring narcissistic crap.
I don’t take any of this seriously. Gamer maxim: “Pussy is just pussy.”
December 3rd, 2014 at 11:15 am
“Writing the book was a therapeutic experience that helped Gwyneth to discover her true self and become comfortable with it – as she describes herself as the ‘girl next door’.
YOU go girrrrl.
“‘I’m fairly introverted and conservative,’ she said. ‘I’m the last person my friends ever expected to have lived that kind of life.”
IF you ignore that thousand cock stare and forget about all the cum she has gargled.
“Gwyneth fell into the lifestyle after she was gang raped at 18.”
OF COURSE it is a man’s fault this daughter of Eve went astray. OF COURSE she could not find a good man among 10,000 who could afford to pay $500.00 per hour.
The woman is vile and revolting. I wouldn’t let her even watch me having sex. The chances of her finding a good match do not look good. I notice she didn’t accept or follow up on any of the marriage proposals.
December 3rd, 2014 at 11:19 am
This comment struck me like a thunderbolt. Seriously? I find this so gross it makes me heave. Imagine how women feel about Blue Knights like this. ‘A Woman who fucks 10,000 guys knows how to communicate and communication is the key to success. Then wishing a 38 y/o unmarried woman has many children and raises them to be a gang raped at stripper at 18 and a prostitute at 19. Good Lord.
“I would have been number 81 to propose. A woman that experienced must know better than anyone how to communicate with a man. And communication is the key to success. Melbourne is such a long ways from Florida, I’m sure she will be a great mother and wife judging by her zeal and happy look about her. I wish her all the best and hope her children are many and get the same type of childhood.”
December 3rd, 2014 at 12:23 pm
Rollo!
Bottom-up change is working!!
Book 2 can’t come soon enough (please keep the pictures)
December 3rd, 2014 at 12:54 pm
I think all this “fog of menopause” stuff is pure hype, perpetrated, by the way, by women making excuses for their own slovenliness and laziness. I’m post-menopausal, and menopause for me was just a series of annoying but far-from-debilitating hot flashes. No, I don’t look like a teen-ager, but, since I get a lot of exercise and don’t overeat (I’m also quite tall), I’ve kept my slender figure, and I still look pretty darned good in a pair of skinny jeans. My brain works like a steel trap. I don’t smell like grandma because I don’t use grandma cosmetics. I despise women who “let themselves go”–which means most women my age. There’s no excuse for getting fat, cutting your hair off, wearing ugly clothes and even uglier shoes, and whining all the time about: 1)your health problems; 2) your depression; and 3) why men don’t appreciate older women. Speaking of men, fortunately, I’m not married to “Glenn” (ick–men dyeing their hair!). Instead, I have a wonderful husband to whom I’ve been married for 26 years. And he’s not some namby-pamby beta, either. He’s one of those natural alphas who had a string of beautiful girlfriends before he met me, starting in high school when he dated the head song queen. I adore him. This means I’m not on the cougar market to be jeered at by you manosphere types. I know I can’t compete for men with 25-year-olds. But I don’t have to.
Charlotte Allen
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:08 pm
@Charlotte Allen – “Ick” back at ya for being such a rude cunt. I hope I fuck your daughter and give her an STD.
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:12 pm
today’s Dear Abby features the wall
http://news.yahoo.com/photo-gallery-perfection-makes-woman-feel-insecure-050021061.html
I was divorced three years ago and have had a boyfriend, “Roger,” for a year and a half. He is seven years younger, and he’s intrigued with women on the Internet. … I’m not overweight and I exercise and keep myself in shape, but I have a “Mom body.” Roger has told me he loves my body and everything about me. … Now I no longer feel comfortable undressing in front of him. I leave my clothes half-on and turn out the lights when we have sex.
Even though divorce rates are not increasing one thing I’ve seen is quick on the trigger divorces (small sample size). One couple, 1 year old baby, wife leaves for another guy, another one has two small kids, wife divorces. Switch horses before too much “Mom body”?
Loved the Goff ending:
For the moment, she has no plans to quit her line of work. “I’ll stop when I’m ready to stop,” she said. “When I’m ready to fall in love ™, that’s when I’ll stop.”
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:16 pm
Isn’t Glenn lovely?
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:18 pm
There’s no excuse for getting fat, cutting your hair off, wearing ugly clothes and even uglier shoes,
Newsflash: no man gives a fuck about your shoes.
The projection could stop superman
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:24 pm
” I appreciate the English lesson & fyi it’s ‘dietitian’. ”
My spelling, such as it is, tends to follow my reading. What I am reading, more often than not, was not composed in contemporary standard. In this case I am myself actually older than the formal establishment of the standard.
Here’s an essay from the International Confederation of Dietetics Associations newsletter:
http://www.internationaldietetics.org/Newsletter/Vol17Issue2/Feature-Article/The-c-in-dietitians-a-long-history-and-fading-futu.aspx
“Less than 4% of dietitians in the UK are male. ”
If you think I’m being long windedly off topic now, don’t get me started.
“That’s why I hate using the term diet – it means failure to me. ”
The standard diet as promulgated by The People’s Consensus on Diet Committee is certainly a failure and sadly, was known to be a failure by all the top experts in the field at the time it was being formulated. Read Graham and Kellogg, who started the modern movement that culminated in the McGovern Committee and your head will explode.
I followed the proceedings of the McGovern Committee as best I could at the time and it made my head explode.
If I have any advantage in understanding diet it’s mostly from having simply started eating before any of this moved from being strictly the province of bone thin, neurotic women and their manginas into the general populace.
And there’s a memory hole with my name on it.
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:31 pm
@Nathan:
Oh really? Then why do pole dancers, strippers, and supermodels deck themselves out in stiletto heels?
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:40 pm
@Charlotte
You took a personal dig at Glenn when he’d done nothing to you, he shot back, now you try to call him out as the bad guy in the exchange. Typical female abandonment of personal responsibility for the consequences of her actions.
Glenn was correction his assessment. You’re a rude cunt.
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Charlotte wrote:
” I’ve kept my slender figure, and I still look pretty darned good in a pair of skinny jeans.”
Must be a butter face.
I agree with her admonishing women not to let themselves go. Any advice to women to hold themselves accountable (like the Schnarch essay) is good, especially if it comes from another woman.
Amanda Marcotte and her type hate Charlotte – I take that as an endorsement of her.
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:52 pm
I’m definitely a butter face, I admit!
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:54 pm
Isn’t Glenn lovely?
For goodness sake. You started out writing a pretty good comment admonishing women to not let themselves go and then you write an unprovoked attack and another commenter. You dislike Glenn. Fine. Keep that to yourself. Going out of your way to write it just makes you catty and makes the rest of your comment incredibly easy to simply ignore.
December 3rd, 2014 at 1:56 pm
Re Glenn: He’s the one who called attention to his dyed hair (I wouldn’t let on about that if I were he–most women find dyed male hair repulsive unless the guy who’s doing it is messing around with peroxide at age 21).
December 3rd, 2014 at 2:23 pm
I took a non credit course at the local community college on how to meet people and start conversations and relationships. The teacher was a genius. It changed my life. TRP completes that learning.
At the beginning of the class before anyone had a chance to talk to each other, he would invite men to get up in front of the class and have the women critique their appearances and vice versa. People didn’t always like what they heard, but for the open minded it was of value.
In this case, Glenn was talking to men in a male space and was not asking for an evaluation of the appearance of his hair. No one here has had a chance to evaluate the result of what he did- it’s effect on his appearance which is the whole point. So while it might have been appropriate to point out that some women are put off by the idea of a man dying his hair, the ‘ick’ was not appropriate for this individual since it was not based on any actual data.
December 3rd, 2014 at 3:20 pm
“Then why do pole dancers, strippers, and supermodels deck themselves out in stiletto heels?”
Because they are icons of being a pole dancer, stripper, prostitute, etc. They’re advertising. Of availability. Not only all men, but all women used to know this.
Men who are not interested in purchasing these women have no interest in women’s shoes. Shoes are tools, and women’s shoes have no utility value to men. They don’t even fit.
“Isn’t Glenn lovely?”
Aren’t you trying to Mother Hen the Men’s Guild Hall? Aren’t you aware that the way for men to defend their space is to make it distinctly ‘unsafe’ for women?
Yes, yes I think you do.
There is no restriction on bitches here, but likewise there is no restriction on calling them out for being bitches. None. Whatsoever. I suspect you aren’t used to that sort of thing. That you are used to being defered to as police in whatever space you occupy. “Yes, Mom. No, Mom. I’m sorry, Mom. It won’t happen again, Mom.”
Well I’m afraid “mom” has no authority here. We have no use for mom. We’re grown men among grown men. Here we police our own, for our own reasons and by our own methods. Get used to it, or get along.
Bitch.
December 3rd, 2014 at 3:47 pm
“. . . why do pole dancers, strippers, and supermodels deck themselves out in stiletto heels?”
Penis envy. “See, I have something long and hard too. OMG I’m making myself hawt!”
December 3rd, 2014 at 3:48 pm
Ten dollars says no kids.
December 3rd, 2014 at 3:55 pm
Heh, Heh, I’m so delighted to see Charlotte catching some flak for her comments. There seems to be an amused and righteous anger towards her. Well justified in this forum IMO. This is a great example of outrage meeting it’s target at an appropriate level (not that I am always a good judge of what is appropriate).
I find that the replies of sharp Red Pillers helps me to see the way that FI gets expressed.
Thanks to all.
Funoldguy
December 3rd, 2014 at 5:49 pm
there could be self interest involved
if her natural alpha husband was to dye his hair and do the rest of stuff as per Glenn, while women of her peer group might find “dyed male hair repulsive”, younger women could easily find it attractive (at least according to widespread field reports, and see articles like http://www.gq.com/style/grooming/201105/gray-hair-color-dye-men). This means that she will be in competition with younger women even though she is slender, has a steel trap brain, doesn’t smell like grandma, and doesn’t wear ugly clothes and uglier shoes. She has to compete with how these younger women look nude, with less wrinkles and aging, and all those hormones and pheromones that women before menopause can provide their mate.
December 3rd, 2014 at 6:50 pm
” . . . she is slender, has a steel trap brain . . .”
. . . and is looking down the barrel of 75. Tam the Bam wins 10 bucks. She has credentials and a career instead of kids.
December 3rd, 2014 at 6:59 pm
This kind of post would obviously generate comments from men and women, attacking each other’s looks and calling each other saggy and old. Insults will be exchanged, egoes will be bruised. Facinating.
Btw, are shoes really nothing to worry about? Would sneakers do? Heels really hurt to walk in…
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:14 pm
@stuttie
“Makes you wonder why there has been a flurry of 40 yo old ex whores coming out in the media lately”
Sydney is litterally awash with post menopausal prostitutes. 45 – 50 even 60 years old.
Just goes to show that even when they are old women can have the capacity to be pleasant to men, present well, stay attractive and suck and fuck 15 different cocks PER DAY!….. but only if there is a $100 Bill attached to those cocks.
Most of them would have B/fs / Husbands / Orbiters / Beta providers as well to be there for the “down times”
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:17 pm
“Would sneakers do?”
in one of the funniest shit tests I’ve seen, a woman who was interested in me (even though I’m married, which seems to be no obstacle to women at this point) said “I would never date a man in sneakers” while I was wearing sneakers. So I considered switching to heels.
Oh wait, you meant women wearing sneakers instead of heels. What does your ass looking like in heels compare to flats?
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:21 pm
“shoes really nothing to worry about? Would sneakers do? Heels really hurt to walk in…”
Heels are cool on a date. Doesn’t matter what kind or brand. Flats suck on a date, but on the regular day to day sneakers do
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:21 pm
@Charlotte Allen, re: “I have a wonderful husband to whom I’ve been married for 26 years.”
That’s the way to do it. The only two things I ask you to keep in mind is that
1. The vast majority of men are not alphas.
2. The wives of the vast majority of men ought to treat them as though the men were alphas anyway.
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:24 pm
I might actually notice sneakers. They imply you might be able to keep up and I’m not inclined to slow down. Cheap flip flops are right out, but good quality walking sandals are fine.
If you can cycle 16 kilometers in under half an hour in them, so much the better.
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:25 pm
re: dyed hair.
Natural apex beta age 64 here, been white headed like Steve Martin, since 40, went gray at 30. Since my natural beta instincts are to laugh at dyeing, then it must be more alpha to dye.
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:26 pm
re: shoes
Women use shoes to communicate. If women are horny, then they choose shoes that adverstise their horniness. That’s the only reason men might like horny shoes for women.
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:29 pm
re: “There’s no excuse for getting fat, cutting your hair off, wearing ugly clothes and even uglier shoes, and whining all the time”
Well, the *reason* women do that is to try to turn their men off.
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:34 pm
“Cheap flip flops are right out”
I actually like cheap flip flops when she has spend a bunch of time (no idea how long this takes) to do an intricate painting of her toe nails (not just one color but designer toe nails). I see that and I know we are going to have a long conversation about gothic romanticism
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:35 pm
(I wish there was a way to fix typos)
December 3rd, 2014 at 7:37 pm
There’s such a thing as quality zori.
December 3rd, 2014 at 11:15 pm
@redlight;
Type your comments in a word program. Do your edit. Copy and paste to the comments box. Slower,yes. More accurate, yes.
I’m not a language snob and do not correct others. What a royal pain in the ass! Ne’er the less, as a man I strive for impeccable performance, always. Otherwise why bother to do something?
I work with wood and value sharp tools to get the job done well. In that sense language is a tool also. Get the point across.
Watch how carefully Rollo uses words in his posts. It’s a model worthy of attention.
funoldguy
December 3rd, 2014 at 11:43 pm
The 1.5 miles of cock escort is likely being swarmed by suitors. She can be seen in a thong—That’s a top 5 percentile woman, no matter her past. She can be a serial killer. All of the talk of the ‘wall’ and guys rejecting the ‘beta bucks’ role etc all checks out logically and it seems like it would have women just getting shut down but it isn’t the case. I’ll have to click on Roosh’s take, linked above. The manosphere is coming down hard on these women but on the street it’s a whole different world. Post 40, gym-free women get all kinds of sex if they can just hover around 150-160 pounds. A 50 year old with longish hair who works out? Booooiinnnngggg!!! goes the men in Seattle.
December 4th, 2014 at 1:06 am
“A detailed study of 2,000 women revealed a large percentage felt they no longer received the level of attention they once did after hitting 51.
Many even went as far as to admit they felt ‘ignored’.”
So basically they learned what it’s like to be the average man entering a room. Do you think they suddenly apologized to the overwhelming men who spent their entire lives invisible? I’m betting they just mourned their own personal loss without achieving any deeper understanding or telling them daughters or granddaughters not to waste the days they get attention.
I feel no pity for a woman that finally knows the average man’s life after getting attention and affection with so little effort for so long. You had a gift I’ll never get, sweetheart. Welcome to life with “male privilege”. Grand, is it not?
December 4th, 2014 at 1:27 am
To Sun,
I noticed that one myself. Oh boo-hoo. Being ‘ignored’!!!! That’s so unfair. Only 50 years of being pedestalized. As a boy next door type myself approaching middle-age and receding, I can tell you about being ignored and even more, having girls nearly detach their own retinas by yanking their gaze away so fast when they accidentally look at me. “I wasn’t looking at you!!” rage. Don’t rip your eyeballs out on my account sweetheart! If that sounds self-pitying, it’s not. Just what I notice when I come home for a month or two every few years. The Anglo female eye ripaway is just funny to me.
December 4th, 2014 at 3:37 am
“The impending tsunami of hamster droppings in the comments here should be entertaining.”
Haha, couldn’t have put it better myself!!
“The Feminine Imperative will go to great lengths, socially and legally, to convince contemporary women that they aren’t in fact tied to the realities of their physical conditions.”
Truer words have never been spoken!
It’s like those looney toon/disney cartoons where Sylvester/coyote/tom run off cliffs and start to feel for terra firma, then…”WOOOOooooooo…splat!”
Solipsism+Hamster+FI….Harsh…still not saving hoes tho’!
December 4th, 2014 at 3:49 am
@asylum1968 – “you go grrrrrllll….right to the psychologists’ chair (y)”
Haha! I echo these sentiments 100%!!!!
December 4th, 2014 at 3:59 am
@Rollo – “Cognitive dissonances mean nothing to the FI, it simply paints a target around any arrow a woman shoots and they always get a bullseye.”
Gems….
December 4th, 2014 at 5:12 am
From woman invisibility article:
“The research, which also involved 500 men, showed many have a ‘head in the sand’ approach to the menopause.”
Like we give a fuck! F.I is unravelling…
December 4th, 2014 at 7:33 am
@melmoth, re: “women get all kinds of sex”
Yes, but not all kinds of commitment. That’s what the 10000+ man escort woman was looking for; she’s already had too much sex and doesn’t want that …
December 4th, 2014 at 7:35 am
When a woman says she wants a relationship to be based on MORE than sex, what she always means is that she wants LESS sex with the man.
When a man says he wants more than sex, he means more than sex but lots of sex too.
December 4th, 2014 at 7:47 am
In real life meanwhile, a 56 yr old familiar woman colleague is getting all of the conversational attentions of we three older gents in charge of our little expedition, as well as a bit of enamorous fawning from the dozen or so younger guys. She’s fairly tall, fairly slim, a bit wrinkled and scarred by life with mousy gray hair under a cute floppy hat, but what sets her off is vim and vigor and a desire to please. She’s really nice.
The 28 yr old woman colleague cannot understand why being young and sexy doesn’t buy her *unsexual* attentions, out where sex per se is inconvenient and/or impossible. She cannot understand why being bitchy and hard to please doesn’t work, especially when she has almost no female competition. The younger woman intern is similarly unused to nonsexual situations and has isolated herself anyway.
December 4th, 2014 at 9:32 am
Re; Charlotte – Isn’t her commentary a perfect representation of female arrogance and entitlement? Let’s break her down:
Menopause – Other women are slobs and lazy and whiners and Charlotte’s simply better than them. Really? My sister has been ravaged by menopause. She doesn’t complain about it too much, but at 54 it’s kind of wrecked her. It doesn’t seem to occur to Charlotte that maybe she’s just lucky? That menopause might be worse for some women than others? Ditto on her weight etc – we now know such things are driven in large part by genetics. You can bet Charlotte’s been a vicious cunt to her fellow women her whole life while not recognizing that she’s just lucky in terms of genetics. See how easily she’s willing to throw other women under the bus in order to aggrandize herself?
And to you directly, Charlotte: Here’s the truth of your marriage, shitbird. Your husband settled for you as a partner at age 45 after having all the good sex he wanted actually sexually desirable women. He selected you because you would put none of the demands on him an actually traditional woman would. With you he doesn’t need to provide, or rear children and after all, by the time you came along, the 18-27 yr old hotties were not that accessible to him anymore. So you were the kind of low maintenance “partner” he wanted for his later life. He only selected you after his SMV began to decline. While his was high, he would never have given you a second look. Fyi, just like your hubby, I not only dated the prom queen/homecoming queen – I married her. So both your husband’s SMV and mine were similar while in our prime.
I’ve checked out your “journalism”. Yawn, another tradcon blathering nonsense. You wrote a book about finding the “historical Jesus”, lol. I mean, you do realize that Christianity is ancient mythology and has been thoroughly debunked, yes? You wear proudly a reactionary worldview and ideology that is a complete fantasy and nonsense. It says volumes about you to many people, yet I’m sure you just reject those who laugh at you as bigots as is the fashion in Christian circles these days. But really, despite all your Ivy league education, intellectually, you are a buffoon.
TradCons are even bigger enemies of men than feminists. You want us to put the bits back in our mouths and get back to work, providing for and protecting women in a world that denigrates all that. What’s even funnier is that you don’t live your life that way. Jesus for thee but not for me it seems would be your worldview.
Please respond though. We find you amusing and informative. And I have a suggestion for you. When you are next on your knees begging a God that doesn’t exist for goodies, why don’t you instead just use that time on your knees to blow your husband? I know he’ll appreciate it and he might be able to stop going to local rub and tug place for real sexual satisfaction. Fyi, if he’s a real “natural Alpha” as you claim, he’s never been faithful to you and will never tell you that…
December 4th, 2014 at 10:42 am
@Mark Minter
Would you mind to post references to literature published by Simon Shepard? I’d be interested in reading about ‘proclamation of escalation’ and such.
Think I got a reverse one some days ago by a lady at work from whom I get lots of mixed signals and accordingly keep my distance, i.e., as consequence of reading this and similar blogs, I avoid being in her group of orbiters.
Thanks.
December 4th, 2014 at 11:22 am
His website
December 4th, 2014 at 11:43 am
Emma the Emo,
“Btw, are shoes really nothing to worry about? Would sneakers do? Heels really hurt to walk in …”
Sneakers, sandals, and other flat footwear are perfect. Men don’t give a shit about shoes (they never look down that far anyway), and when your feet are in the air, it is better for your toes to be nice and straight.
You should stay away from high heels because, for example: http://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/high-heels
When you are standing on the balls of your feet, through your own strength, nothing is damaged, because everything is tight, because you are pulling yourself up from the bottom (in a sense), and because you cannot hold this position longer than you should.
On the other hand, in addition to the problems mentioned in the linked article, when you are in high heels, everything looks tight, because you are standing on an unnatural platform, even though part of you is loose and misaligned. Damage then also occurs because gravity is putting force on this misalignment, from the top down.
If you want your legs and butt to look great, even when you are wearing flats, do ballet exercises, because they will give you the muscles and posture (which will become natural for you) that accentuate your legs and butt in the same way that is achieved artificially through high heels.
However, when doing those exercises, don’t go any further than the balls of your feet, because your toes were not designed to hold your weight any more than they were designed to be in high heels.
December 4th, 2014 at 11:54 am
High heels should only be worn in the bedroom – preferably with nothing else or minimal lingerie.
I find that a woman’s legs at 10 and 2 are the optimal viewing position to fully appreciate heels.
December 4th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
” Would sneakers do?”
NO!
Only heels for you Emma!!
December 4th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Very interesting read:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/04/The-Sexodus-Part-1-The-Men-Giving-Up-On-Women-And-Checking-Out-Of-Society
It basically covers the war on men, or better said, the war on betas.
Read the article from an Alpha-Beta dichotomy perspective and you’ll begin to understand that women are not deliberately shunning all men, only the betas. This reminds me of the evolutionary instability a commentator said in regards to only the top 20% of men getting sex from women. The FI is created to limit men, obviously, but it is selective on who it chooses to shun. This can only last so long before it gives out.
The center cannot hold.
December 4th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
@Mr_Bates
December 4th, 2014 at 2:31 pm
@kfg:
Thanks. I even have the website bookmarked but never finished reading it through (It’s ‘Sheppard’ with 2 P’s BTW). Sad that they got themselves into hot water with the UK ‘authorities’. Bought his 2 books available for Kindle – hope they’ll make ‘Tyranny of Ambiguity’ available so I can buy it.
@Rollo:
Thanks for yet another superb article. Just bought your book BTW as a gift to a rather blue-pill guy whose in the business of marriage counselling from a Catholic perspective, together with his wife. Am looking forward to 2nd edition and new book. Any release dates yet?
@Charlotte:
‘Butter face’ would mean that you spread butter on your face so the men can stick their dicks deeper into your halitosis-reeking oral cavity. And, judging by your profile pic, you’re nowhere near your self-description, but rather it’s like you’re a flabby old hag whom not even my dog would want to mount.
December 4th, 2014 at 3:13 pm
about Sexodus
how is this different or extends 2013’s Men On Strike?
December 4th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
“Because men learn, by experience and at a very early age, that what they can have is what they can take, and thus the natural limits of what can be taken.”
Why not take it all?
December 7th, 2014 at 9:27 am
women need to feel wanted….. men like to be loved… huge difference….
December 10th, 2014 at 1:02 am
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December 15th, 2014 at 11:28 am
You’ve written previously about how women’s sexual desire is driven by their fertility cycle, and now you discuss the impacts menopause. I would be interested in your thoughts on how pregnancy and its aftermath affect things. My wife, for example, is still breast-feeding, and I’m not sure she actually has gone back to being fertile yet.
December 15th, 2014 at 11:43 am
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