Of the three cognitive, interpretive processes it is the Emotional process that people are most familiar with, and yet it’s also the most glorified when it comes to determining reality and truth. I’m probably going to ruffle some feathers with this essay – people invest a lot of themselves in their emotions. The reason for this is because for a very long time we’ve been taught to deify (sometimes literally) the importance of emotion to the human experience. We want to impart our emotions with a metaphysical quality to the point that understanding those feelings is something we expect our omniscient Gods to have a relation with. This is the mythic apex of the grandeur with which we regard emotion, but on a visceral level, the opposite end of that understanding, emotion is something very understandable and very ‘knowable’.
We interpret stimuli via the Emotional process, but we also express our emotional state through art and personal means. And this is the dual nature of emotion; it’s interpretive, but those interpretations are subjective to an individual. As such, these interpretations and expressions become part of our personality and identity. I’ve mentioned the concept of ego-investment in many prior essays. A person can invest themselves so much (ego) into personal beliefs that they become a component part of who they are. Thus, an attack on the belief is literally an attack on the ego, but’s important to point out that those investments are integrally linked to the Emotional process. Emotion is not just an important filter through which we interpret the world, but its effects often shape us as individuals. So because of this subjective, ego-investment dynamic it’s hard not to step on a few toes or challenge the emotionally-inspired belief sets by considering emotion in an objective way.
As with most other aspects of Red Pill awareness. parsing out the nuts and bolts of how and why emotions work, how they evolved and the important survival functions they serve often has a way of dispelling the magic we apply to emotions. From a biological perspective we can prompt certain emotions (or buffer them) by creating the stimuli that evokes them. We can chemically induce an emotional response. We can alter moods with drugs and we can chemically compare the endorphins released into our bloodstream when we experience the ’emotional’ effects of love, lust and infatuation. There are many studies comparing love to addiction, and the effects of a breakup being comparable to ‘withdrawal’ symptoms.
Emotion has prompted virtually all of mankind’s greatest art, music, literature and so many more cultural effects it’s hard to think that emotion doesn’t define us as a species. Emotion has started wars, prompted self-sacrifice, moves us to mercy, ensures that our children are nurtured and sees that we care and cooperate with each other. Emotion is a blessing and a curse as environment and circumstance demand, but for all of that the Emotional process is a result of our evolved biology. Emotion is firmly rooted in our evolved capacity to experience and interpret our environment and circumstances. Emotion is rooted in the physical. And while it inspires us to acts that may seem divine or diabolic the fact remains that emotion is very much dependent on our evolved capacity to physically experience it.
I begin this essay stressing this point because the concept (not the process) of emotion has been elevated to such a mythic degree of importance in our present times that it supersedes almost all other considerations in life. We’re largely taught and conditioned to prioritize the importance of our emotional states above both the Instinctual and Rational processes, so to reduce emotion to a physical dynamic runs counter to what we feel it should mean to us. Unless we’re dealing with a clinical, physical depression we rarely consider that emotion is an interpretive process. We want to apply meaning to emotion rather than see it as the evolved tool it is to human beings.
Both Instinct and Reason influence and modify the Emotional process, and like both, Emotion is interpretive and functional. If we look at base emotions we can make inferences as to what their latent purposes might be. In the first post of this series I drew the lines between the effect of oxytocin inspiring feelings of trust and caring, and how the environmental prompts that trigger this hormone have a practical ‘real world’ function. We can speculate that the instinctual prompts that trigger the oxytocin then lead to the emotional processing of the feeling of trust/caring which then prompts physical behavior (nurturing a child, etc.) Hunger is another good example. Our physical state of hunger prompts feelings of anger or discontent which then compels us to action. In our evolutionary past this anger prompt would’ve been beneficial in that it motivated us to seek/kill food.
Those are just a couple of the many different basic prompts for the Emotional process, but emotion is much more complex and nuanced than this. The Emotional process is multi-layered, so when you combine various emotional interpretive processes with emotional responses you get various new iterations of emotion which then builds into more complex emotions. While instinct is the fastest of these processes, emotion can be more time intensive. Base emotions are relatively quick interpretations (though slower than instinct), but the more complex, compound emotions take time to interpret, build and then reinterpret. Because of this compositing process humans have a tendency to fixate on the emotion itself as being of primary importance; often forgetting or dismissing entirely the stimuli that originally prompted it. Furthermore, we forget or dismiss the latent purpose of that initial emotional interpretation that caused that composite cascade of emotions.
An understanding of this emotion compositing is necessary to understand why we tend to imbue emotions with such importance and power. While base emotions are linked to the ‘fast-twitch’ Instinctual process, the more complex emotions – the ones we subconsciously craft over more time – tend to be the ones we build belief sets around. This is very important to Red Pill awareness because it explains the motivations for, and foundations of, feminine-primary belief sets of both men and women, as well as the feminine-primary social order that is a result of those belief sets.
Gender Differences
Despite all the protestations of egalitarian minds, men and women are fundamentally different. Biologically, neurologically, endocrinologically and psychologically our gender-specific differences are significant. This isn’t a revelation to my Red Pill aware readers, but it’s a radical statement for the past generations who are emotionally invested in the idea of a blank-slate parity between the sexes they’ve been conditioned to believe is true. As I mention above, an ego-investment is component part of the personality of the individual so invested. To attack the investment, the belief, the ideology, the educated-but-misinformed opinion, is to attack the person. That belief set, like the emotions that compounded to develop it, is subjective to the individual experiencing the emotions that led to it.
One presupposition that has been a part of the manosphere for as long as I’ve been a part of it is that women put “feels before realz”. In several essays I’ve made a case for women’s innate communication style being context based – women focus on how the communication makes them feel; the information conveyed is secondary. For men this is reversed; men prioritize the content (the information) of the communication and the context is secondary. I’ve written a lot about how each sex evolved into their communication priorities, but down to the biological level, per our sex, the answers can be found in how our brains differ.
There are many multivariate studies that reveal similar findings and brain imaging, and the uncanny complementarity between men and women’s brains. For the most part studies indicate that women tend to prioritize the Emotional interpretive process above the Rational interpretive process and vice versa for men. That is not to say women are entirely incapable of reason, nor does it imply that men are emotionally stunted. What I’m suggesting is that our innate, biological predispositions prioritize our interpretive processes to emotion in women and rationality in men. Women can be taught to prioritize reason over emotion and, as I’ll illustrate next, men most definitely can be taught conditioned to prioritize emotion above their innate reason.
There are also numerous studies on how these interpretive prioritization function as a result of neurological gendered differences in men and women. Women process negative emotions differently than men. Men largely lack the brain architecture (wiring) to process emotion in the same manner and with the same degree of prioritization as women do. This is simply how we’re built, but before any woman pops off about their ‘superior’ emotional capacity, bear in mind, women’s brains are not wired for the rational and spatial tasks men’s brains are more suited to. Out of the womb, a boy is predisposed to throw an object with greater force and more accuracy than a girl. And that’s just one easy illustration of the mental firmware men are born with.
None of this, however, is about one sex being superior to the other’s innate predispositions. It’s not a contest, it’s just about which disposition is better suited to a task. But still, the first inclination today is to presume women’s greater emotional capacity should be the normative in our present-day feminine-primary social order. For the past 60+ years we’ve lived in a social condition that has made every attempt to feminize men; to get them more in touch with their emotions – to condition men, despite their brain wiring, to prioritize the Emotional process above both instinct and reason.
To reiterate, women are not necessarily handicapped because the Rational process isn’t their innate, predisposed preference, but neither are men handicapped for lacking the interpretive hardware to prioritize the Emotional process as women do. That said, for the past 4-5 generations we’ve lived in a social order that has presumed a blank-slate equalist perspective of men and women. We live in a time when men not emoting like women is a disorder to be treated and conditioned. We presume today that boys are defective girls because they don’t prioritize the Emotional in their communications or their interpretive process. Today the Emotional process that women innately prefer is the ‘correct’ way for all, egalitarian, blank-slate equals to prioritize their interpretations of the world and each other with.
As most of my readers already know, I see the presumption of equalism as being little more than a cover story for feminine primacy. For several generations now, and especially since the Sexual Revolution, the pretense of gender equality has been the vehicle for female social primacy. At first it was subtle and inoffensive, but today this social engineering effort is out in the open. And with more and more empirical evidence mounting that proves the sexes are far less “equal” in nature than prior egalitarian doctrines would allow anyone to accept, we see an intensifying effort to retain the social narrative on the part of equalist. Only now it’s focused on the innate ‘wrongness’ of masculinity by demonizing and pathologizing anything conventionally masculine. This new intensive effort is only able to find legitimacy because prior feminized generations base their belief sets on the the inherent ‘correctness’ of prioritizong the Emotional process – a process that is fundamentally, biologically linked to women’s preferences in interpreting the world around them.
So today we look at men as if they’re stunted and ‘wrong’ for communicating with other men in a way that prioritizes information before how it makes them feel. We still today implore men to get in touch with their feminine sides – the last vestige of Car Jung’s bastardized and now disproven animus theories – but pity men for lacking the hardware to emote ‘correctly’ like women. We don’t teach boys emotional control because in our emotional-prioritizing social order anything that looks like control seems like masculine oppression of emotional expression. Instead we create new, more intense, ways of discouraging men of ever embracing or “getting in touch” with their masculine sides. We discard masculine discipline for emotional pretense. We teach boys at younger and younger ages to fear and despise their innate masculine selves. We create programs to cure masculinity as if it were a health crisis. This effort will only intensify as gender differences become more and more unignorable and the social engineering of the last 60 years becomes more obvious.
As a basis of that cure is the fundamental presumption that interpreting our world through the filter of Emotion should supersede or entirely disqualify the Rational interpretive process. As you might guess, men’s innate predisposition is to interpret our world through Reason. Today we live in a world where feelings trump both instinct and reason. This is why the current generation makes the Emotional process and their feelings more important than any other consideration – they are the cumulative result of having prioritized women’s emotional preferences above all else, while simultaneously engineering consecutive generations of feminized men to facilitate it for the last seven decades.
In the next and final installment in this series I’ll be addressing the Rational interpretive process and how we might imagine better future generations based on seizing and instituting a social order founded on masculine reason.
O.B.I.T. & JT McMahon- You guys are onto why there is so much controversy in the ideas presented in Rollo’s essay. If I say “women can’t be good fighter pilots”, that’s entirely true of the population on average (and the vast majority of individual women). However, if I say “a woman can’t be a good fighter pilot”, that isn’t true. (I happen to know a woman who is a respected fighter pilot and flight instructor in the US Navy.) An individual woman may have a superior ability to think in rational abstract and perform just as a skilled man would,… Read more »
status confirmed May 2, 2018 at 11:28 am “However, if I say “a woman can’t be a good fighter pilot”, that isn’t true. (I happen to know a woman who is a respected fighter pilot and flight instructor in the US Navy.) An individual woman may have a superior ability to think in rational abstract and perform just as a skilled man would, in the right context.” ======================================================== Patty Wagstaff https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4NJnyx4zAI Doesn’t let us experience “g” forces positive and negative — intensely exhausting workout ———————– “. . . wonder if you agree. When you involve a woman in a relationship,… Read more »
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders
Betcha oxytocin figures big in your observations though, Status
Damn – quickdraw Rollo !
Rollo Tomassi May 2, 2018 at 12:03 pm ================== Awesome unifying-field, puts-it-all-together Psychology Today article. Strongly reinforces “The Emotional Process” blogpost. “. . . and oxytocin, a bonding-relationship chemical. . . . males process less of the bonding chemical oxytocin than females.” May support/explain/verify Status’s observation of: “When you engage those reproductive systems and hormones, her thought processes (and expectations) change toward you and she reverts to her more basic nature.” Other parts of the article may explain why the rise of feminism correlates with acceptance of “emotional intelligence” in preference to intellect/science. Certainly suggests the universe appears a very… Read more »
“Men have not yet learned how to be feral. And I think the manosphere is going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Men are not going to be the patriarcal societies that they once were in the last century. Manosphere is going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Men to make. They are now going into a feral mode, and Manosphere will be resented because of its leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Men will not survive.”
Amazing fast with that Psychology Today article, Rollo.
Just – BANG!
And there it was – exactly on target – just like that.
I know how vast and deep the field is.
That a specific article addressing a particular question can be known at all – let alone retrieved from that mass of data instantly — is truly remarkable.
Brain though’s and colors of exposure
https://on.wsj.com/2rgGzHD
100 billion neuron’s 150 synapses
10,000 branch neuron
https://bit.ly/2I6117Q
https://bit.ly/1cP7TuF
Rollo- thanks for that article!
JT- thanks for putting your thinking cap on for my observation.
Cheers all.
Researchers believe theory and practice are identical. Practitioners don’t.
Gender, psychopath researchers attempt reverse engineering reasons why the sexes behave differently then lecture us in a forward manner that’s what makes the sexes different as if research singularly or en masse makes a rat’s ass difference in how we actually become.
They’ve no fucking idea how to turn this research (for research sake, IMO) into a template of a psychopath, genius, man, woman….
Gender research really doesn’t explain anything worthwhile other than why Time magazine is obsessed with gender bending.
“The Red Sea is, like, outlning Morocco.” — A girl who had actually looked it up
“Why isn’t Belgian in my DNA?” — A French speaking Belgian girl
“Where is the Iberian Peninsula?” –A British British girl
“How does DNA know my eyes are blue?” Not the sharpest crayon in the box girl
We are so fucking doomed.
Status Confirmed
Like your thinking; my next point was going to be, are professionally focused, brainy and serious women like that in personal relationships too or do they revert to the female mean of feelz and so forth (see the Bill James Plexiglas Principle)
I work with top tier educated professional nerdy females and they all gravitate to the gossipy, fantastical, emotional, huffy when surrounded by run of the mill gals.
They want to be ravished as any woman. Oh do they.
I met a few last fall. They were on a GNO and screamed when they saw me (they apparently liked me…I didn’t know). Anyhow, I sprung to action and did my best game and dirty dancing to them all.
My wife was there, so sorry, no payoff proof I’m all that.
On a flight a few years back, there was a long shadow that was visible on the ground, from a contrail. Somewhere in the midwest. The flight attendant came up and asked the pilot what it was.
He said, “That’s a state line. They mark them.”
Her: “No way!”
Him: “Yeah, on my other job I’m a crop duster and mark state lines. That’s how they do them.”
A few minutes later she could be heard over the intercom
“Take a look to your left everyone and you can see the actual state line!”
They’re fun.
Back from my week long sojourn to the “big smoke” and feeling all the better for it, gentlemen. Played a well received set of my electronic music on Sunday night to close a gig in an arts warehouse, then was having such a good time socialising that i stayed on for a couple more nights. I met up with some other music producers living there and we hung out in the evenings sharing sonic creations, playing chess and smoking some pot. That was good enough in itself, but on the morning after the event i was in the kitchen and… Read more »
asd – here is a link to what I was referring to earlier today with respect to two systems of empathy alternatively muted with respect to psychopathy/autism:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826592/
aleste81 – nice satire. That be pretty funny. I did enjoy that. Good on’ya.
Some interesting work in the last few weeks on brain’s.
My error
https://bit.ly/2rgQLzb
All Pics that didnt show up.
https://bit.ly/2KxeuDT
https://bit.ly/2HR0J1j
Creation of the Brain
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https://bit.ly/2brdujy
https://bit.ly/2rgPtF5
Filtering system
Has this been posted yet?
Interesting comments viz authenticity and language. Will trigger Wild Man unfortunately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMgixLixAVc
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/897875
Cool morning.
I got to listen to Jordan’s Canadian accent, and I got to read the comments on the Rsd link.
Brain pictures
https://bit.ly/2HKMfnu
Phycopath brain
https://read.bi/1fn7rwP
Mens brains and box
https://bit.ly/1ljGLiq
“Jordon Peterson on why Pickup Artists are Psychotic”. Jesus, he sounds like a butt hurt incel complaining about the Chads. He still cant deal with the fact that Chads had his precious wife three ways to Sunday, before he even got to kiss her. “They are using language instrumentally to manipulate women” – that is what she (his wife) said. “It is unsophisticated and that is why psychotic”. But he fails to admit that GAME works and does not go into why it works. Instead his suggestion is “Use truth as a weapon”. He is leading AFCs to the slaughter… Read more »
“Jordon Peterson on why Pickup Artists are Psychotic”. Nothing to see there. He’s merely got his Super Industrial Strength Blue Pill lenses on. With a healthy dose of “What? There’s plenty of order in inter-sexual relationships for single men. So what do you need that PUA shit for?” Solipsistically talking to back up his own paradigm. And Wild Man is Judging Kevin Dutton’s the Wisdom of Psychopaths by it’s cover. He also is using his pussy blue pill tinted lenses to make shit up to fit his paradigm. By his comments, it is clear he has no idea what the… Read more »
Peterson is a product of elite intellectual theorizing and and sees no difference between his ideas and practice. PUAs do. Mark my words he sees you, me as unwashed masses to be herded. He’s herding you with his soi disant newly radical dialectic empty your wallet. Hes on tour you know, he’s striking while the iron is hot and before he unloads his distain on all you hoi-polloi. He can’t hide it forever. It’s not like he’d ever voluntarily have a drink with any of his most ardent supporters. Example: US Senators prefer each other’s company regardless of politics than… Read more »
“Use truth as a weapon”
In other realms, JBP is the first one to say, you can’t know all the truth, only a fraction of it. Especially in the medical field.
O.B.I.T., JT, EhIntellect I think we’re on the same page regarding smart women. Rollo sold me on the fallacy of idealizing, or searching for, a Quality Woman. The Quality Woman term usually applied to a woman who’s (magically) not capable of promiscuity, and has an almost-virginal past that can be relied upon as an indication of her character. Until now, I never thought to apply the same Quality Woman concept to smart women. Smart women can be easy to pedestalize if you think she’ll be easy to relate to because she can think logically, appears to be responsible with her… Read more »
JBP is a false prophet who is promising nirvana to the AFCs by sacrificing them at the alter of the divine femininity. He has taken digs at all facets of the Red Pill. He has called PUAs “Psychotic”, MGTOW are “pathetic weasels” and MRAs are “angry losers who don’t understand women”. Is this how you help men who are looking for help? By writing them off and calling them names? He talks a lot about empathy, but has no empathy for any man who has suffered at the hands of the FI and has removed himself from the Blue Pill… Read more »
Rollo if a car was a women https://bit.ly/2ri1tGw redpill and growing up. “It’s not like he’d ever voluntarily have a drink with any of his most ardent supporters. Example: US Senators prefer each other’s company regardless of politics than ever, ever hang out with the likes of you.” https://bit.ly/2JMwedy I heard him say once he spends time after touring with people coming to approach him. Not sure on the details of that. “He talks a lot about empathy, but has no empathy for any man who has suffered at the hands of the FI and has removed himself from the… Read more »
“has his head so far up his ass”
Well that’s your perspective.
He’s a warrior for the BP world preaching man up tactics. “Be string and scary….but in a WK way.”
That firmly ensconces him in the polite intellectual crowd. Cocktail party: “Yeah, he’s a little wacky, but on the big issues he’s with us.”
status confirmed Smart women can be easy to pedestalize if you think she’ll be easy to relate to because she can think logically, appears to be responsible with her money, keeps appointments, etc. Yup. Plus bear in mind that women are as a rule very good mimics. They can easily appear “smart” just by running a Rolodex full of “smart girl” cards, or even better by echoing back a man’s own knowledge at him. The test for girl-smarts is obvious: a new situation that isn’t answered by a Rolodex card but requires observation, analysis, hypothesis generation and testing. In other… Read more »
Someone – probably Rollo – mentioned in the androsphere that Jordan Peterson met a girl when he was 8 years old and liked her. Later he married her. If that is correct, his N is most likely 1, and it would explain a whole lot about his worldview. As long as Peterson was sticking to his Jungian interpretation of history, classic literature and the Bible he was doing good work. If he’s now publicly opposing the Red Pill then he’s become just another tool of the Female Imperative. Or maybe he’s just trying to make sure he doesn’t lose tenure… Read more »
He’s not fighting leftists. He’s adding to the debate and positioning himself for a windfall. I’m not saying he doesn’t believe what he says, it’s that he’s got more invested in just sperading truth.
Oh, imagine him advising a young guy on pickup: “Honest masculinity, just be yourself.”
Correction: as long as he stuck to his Great Books for Men approach, even with the Jungian crap on the side, Peterson was doing good work. Because the Jungian crap is no more useful than the Freudian crap. Both lead to some strange rabbit trails that can waste a lot of time and energy, and IMNSHO both Freudianism and Jungianism are hopelessly Blue Pill.
“…because They Are All Girls – Blaximus”
100% absolute truth.
And I am not saying this out of anger or hatred. Once you understand women, you can’t love them, and you can’t hate them either. You accept them for what they are … and chuckle at their attempts to keep you in a sedated state of blue pilled fantasy.
SJF – you keep wielding this redpill/bluepill thing like the differentiation means something precise, for you. So why not precisely define it for me then. Why not define it in terms of the topic of this series of articles. I suggested a conception of the redpill/bluepill/psychopathy differentiation last thread, do you agree? (I can paste here again if you like – but it was posted last thread on April 27 @ 2:39 p.m.). If not, why not? But my guess is you instead agree with the idea that the following is a good way of framing what the bluepill/redpill discussion… Read more »
“you can’t love them”
I love them as is, could be better in the whole but, hell, life’s too short for that fight.
Makes for good conversation.
” So why not precisely define it for me then. Why not define it in terms of the topic of this series of articles.”
Because you beg like a pussy.
Eh – you already had your chance. So did CNM. So did Sentient. So did asd. So did Scribblerg. Perhaps Marelius too (not sure … he didn’t seem to like the question, but I haven’t put it to him directly yet). No takers so far – eh? Who be the pussy then? Scared of a little old straight-forward on-topic question Eh? (actually you are the only one who at least tried but then quickly balked nevertheless, on next question). Now let’s see if SJF is a pussy too. Look guys – this pussy talk in this context is nonsense. So… Read more »
SJF – you keep wielding this redpill/bluepill thing like the differentiation means something precise, for you. So why not precisely define it for me then. Superego = Beta/Golden Rule = bluepill mindset Id = Alpha/Platinum Rule = redpill mindset Do you agree that the above is good way of framing it? If not, how would you succinctly frame it then? That’s just silly. Obviously too simplistic. And mixing archetypes, placeholders for abstract thoughts and thinking you have an equation. That’s not an equation. It’s just you outstanding in your Field. You should read Rollo. And Kevin Dutton. Red Pill is… Read more »
SJF – so you can’t do the succinct? Figures.
Wildman, this posts for you:
“We’re dealing with an abject Beta here who, like most Blue Pill conditioned men buys into the touchy-feely ‘open communications will solve everything’ fallacy. He also feels it’s incumbent upon him to follow the ‘be the bigger man’ meme”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/therationalmale.com/2016/10/24/please-breakup-with-me/amp/
Tame Guy Masquerading; I haven’t responded because I reject your premise, which is that there is some general need to distill a complex, multi-variate social shift taking place over a course of many decades into an overly-simple cause/effect statement so that it can be quickly and easily seen how that shift compares and contrasts with evolutionary psychology, all summed up in some succinctly framed bubble gum wrapper comic that concisely explains the RP/BP dichotomy. What you don’t seem to be able to understand is that, even if it were possible to reduce these complexities to a concise framework, which it… Read more »
Just lift bruh.
Eh – not sure what the link has got to do with me? Are you somehow implying I’m Beta because BluePill or something along those lines? If that is what the link is intended to imply, … what? – I am just supposed to magically identify with the dude mentioned in the link and therefore get your insinuation? Is that what you thinking? If so that be rich indeed (and good for hearty laugh). If that is what the link was intended as ….. well isn’t that just more name-calling then, in light of the fact that you won’t answer… Read more »
marelius – wrong. This line of discussion started a couple of threads ago around some big support here for celebration of psychopathy, seemingly, as in informing ‘alpha’ and ‘redpill’. That be a joke though. And nuts. It doesn’t take too much ‘theory’ to undo that misconception. As such succinct. marelius – do you think psychopathy, somehow, in some way, informs alpha mindset (the kind of alpha mindset that is self-aware as in ‘redpill’)? It is clear that I strongly disagree with that view …. I think psychopathy is the antithesis of alpha and redpill actually. My bluepill/redpill/psychopathy differentiation conception clearly… Read more »
“Why not define it in terms of the topic of this series of articles.”
Because that would result in category error gobbledygook.
“Superego = Beta/Golden Rule = bluepill mindset
Id = Alpha/Platinum Rule = redpill mindset”
Q.E.D.
Blue Pill = Ghost Dance
Red Pil. = Bullet
“Use truth as a weapon” In other realms, JBP is the first one to say, you can’t know all the truth, only a fraction of it. Especially in the medical field. JBP is telling men to relate to communicate with women using dog-o-nese, when we know that doesn’t work. If he’s trying to be biblical, then Paul speaks of the Belt of Truth, not the Sword of Truth. JBP is mixing his metaphors. How will truth be used as a weapon, anyway? It tends to be rejected because of people’s ego/emotional investments. Truth is better used at making sure you… Read more »
kfg – this recent question of mine, got started by way of Sentient being congratulated for framing some of the redpill ideas this way (last thread, April 24 @ 6:02 a.m.): Superego = Beta/Golden Rule Id = Alpha/Platinum Rule Is Sentient’s conception synonymous with this? (is what I wondered): Superego = Beta/Golden Rule = bluepill mindset Id = Alpha/Platinum Rule = redpill mindset So … kfg – what part do you think is ‘category error gobbledygook’, … the part that Sentient outlined and was congratulated for here, or the part where I was wondering about whether the bluepill/redpill differentiation, as… Read more »
AR I understand (with help from TRM) that smart women at heart are just women. It’s just been a twist of fate that I deal professionally with a subset of female scientists at the far right end of the bell curve along with a set of the usual mediocre media/HR types. My personal adventures have taken place somewhere between these two points on the graph: somewhat smart and plucky but not gifted. So I was just wondering — in line with Rollo’s current set of essays — what makes the brilliant ones tick in more personal contexts. BTW some of… Read more »
I see no benefit to be gained by engaging in your wordplay. It amounts to mental masturbation.
Wildman: “not sure what the link has got to do with me? Are you somehow implying I’m Beta because BluePill or something along those lines?”
Rollo: “This is an easy example of this, but when a woman cries on you, screams at you, or issues an ultimatum to you (or asks innane questions repeatedly) she is self-acknowledging that she is powerless…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/amp/
asd – look – I’m not defending JP in the link above that Sentient posted, here, by way of this comment. But, nevertheless, given what I am otherwise interested in at the moment, among the opinion of commentariat here (i.e. – opinions about redpill/bluepill differentiation especially in terms of how psychopathy features in that differentiation), your last comment, where you said: “Truth is better used at making sure you have your own Red Pill goggles in place.”. Goggles? That is an odd metaphor. What is that metaphor meant to imply, as you used it there? Why does redpill outlook require… Read more »
“I see no benefit to be gained by engaging in your wordplay. It amounts to mental masturbation.” I’m glad you see my point. That earlier comment of yours, marelius, was a mess. “What you don’t seem to be able to understand is that, even if it were possible to reduce these complexities to a concise framework, which it simply is not, it would render them practically useless to the men trying to unplug.” If that is what you truly think the why are you reading Rollo’s articles? As such, since you don’t truly think that, obviously, you be just blowing… Read more »
Eh – your comment: – “Wildman: “not sure what the link has got to do with me? Are you somehow implying I’m Beta because BluePill or something along those lines?” …. “Rollo: “This is an easy example of this, but when a woman cries on you, screams at you, or issues an ultimatum to you (or asks innane questions repeatedly) she is self-acknowledging that she is powerless…” Wow – Eh – you think I want to fuck you? Hahaha – you are endlessly good for lots of laughs – Eh. What you won’t stoop to, to try to win a… Read more »
Wildman: “What you won’t stoop to, to try to win a point. Rest assured your ugly ass is safe. I guess I want you to know that you can stop fantasizing about me that way.”
Rollo: “Thus, women use attention not only for their own affirmation, individually and collectively, but also to do combat with each other. Far more damaging than physical fighting is the long term psychological impact of denying this reinforcement, or better still, delegitimizing or disqualifying a girl/woman’s capacity to attract this attention. ”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/therationalmale.com/2011/09/21/your-attention-please/amp/
Yeah Blax – ‘Oh brother’ it is. That’s what I be thinking too – like wtf?
Anyway – I liked GC more in – ‘O Brother, Where Art Thou’
See Blax – Eh is now doubling down on that shite. Wtf? it is. He is avoiding a rational discussion, by way of calling it emotional, in a way that insinuates (by way of the links) that it is emotional because he thinks I have a hard-on for his sweet (probably ugly though) ass.
Who be the pussy (or the bottom at least)? Too funny.
Did you guys receive an e-mail notification from The Rational Male stating a new post (with a lot of links) is published on the site here?
But I don’t see the post here, so I am a bit reluctant to clink on the links in the e-mail.
Clink? WtF
Eh – I got you pegged right the first go round – eh? Ehlen Degenerate it is. Fuck you are hilarious.
EhIntellect
Oh, imagine him advising a young guy on pickup: “Honest masculinity, just be yourself.”
“Just be sure you clean up your room first”…
AR – ““Just be sure you clean up your room first”… succinct at least, but I like Blax’s version of the succinct better – “Just lift bruh”.
Two pretty good ways to go actually.
“… just be sure to clean up your room first”.
And we all know Rollo has banged a lot of chicks with just a mattress on the floor. And Goldman has banged girls in public bathrooms. Blax has banged chicks on the hood of a car.
AFCs like JBP will never experience desire sex like this and will come up with all kind of bullshit virtue signalling arguments that this is not how it works.
O.B.I.T. My personal adventures have taken place somewhere between these two points on the graph: somewhat smart and plucky but not gifted. So I was just wondering — in line with Rollo’s current set of essays — what makes the brilliant ones tick in more personal contexts. They Are All Girls. Girls like to think they are special. Each one special in her own way. Girls like to be with “the guys”, but only “the guys” that induce tingles (not those beta losers and no creepers). Yah Really, it’s all true. They are girls. Even the ones with extra credentials… Read more »
Addendum: I’m referring to tenured PhD-holding female faculty in a science that required calculus up through differential equations at the undergrad level plus some basic stochastic processes class…twirling their hair. So “Very Smart Girls”… are still….girls.
Incubus – the sentiment around “… just be sure to clean up your room first”, and “Just lift bruh”. are more-so prescriptions about doing things that are gonna help you sort out knowing more about yourself, actions towards gaining some self-awareness, which ultimately, is what the redpill message is about too – a prescription for gaining self-awareness (except alot of people here apparently think redpill its something more nebulous like – ‘act like a psycho’ or something idiotic like that).
But where you actually fuck is sorta besides the point, and your personal business (voyeurs notwithstanding).
“… just be sure to clean up your room first”.
https://twitter.com/ScrumpAdmin/status/990330112573956096
Wild Person
Eh – you already had your chance. So did CNM. So did Sentient. So did asd. So did Scribblerg. Perhaps Marelius too…
Slowly, a pattern begins to emerge…
“He’s internally conflicted” – yes – and he has been surrounded by adoring young university women throughout his long career in the humanities, which is mostly a female student body, and so …… I think it is probable that JP has not properly discounted all his personal bias when it comes to gender issues. Nevertheless, on the western tradition …… what the true west is …… he is seriously superior to almost everybody else in the field, when it comes to that (if you are willing to ignore his proclivity for avoidance with respect to properly framing the issue of… Read more »
“Slowly, a pattern begins to emerge…” Well how about that – you noticed that too – eh? What to make of the pervasive avoidance – eh? But AR – it is quite probable that you are gonna say – ‘well women don’t have an Id/superego/ego like men do. Its not a matter of their mental apparatus being of a different flavor within the same process constructs, because for women it is qualitatively of a much lower capacity, and as such such id/superego/ego descriptions are obviously false concepts because they are meant to inform both sexes, but that be impossible because… Read more »
@Wild Man: “except a lot of people here apparently think redpill it’s something more nebulous like ‘act like a psycho’ or something idiotic like that.” That is your own assumption. Go back and read the comments again. Nobody here is suggesting that Red pill is about being a psychopath. It is an fact proven via observation of women’s behaviour that there generally (not all of them) sexually attracted to psychopaths, sociopaths and men with dark traid personality. And commenters here are trying to discuss what specific brain functions might cause psychopathy in certain men and why women find them irrestible.… Read more »
Incubus – no redpill is not about psychopathy. I have continually pointed that out actually. I’m quite sure Rollo will agree that redpill is not about psychopathy. But nevertheless, many many commenters here do think that psychopathy informs alpha and redpill, because they perhaps don’t want to see that what women are actually attracted to is a truly powerful man (in control of themselves and also in control of their circumstance, within reason, judged contextually) which psychos are the opposite of. But psychos routinely con people, including women, and for certain eternally dumb women, they be eternally conned, that be… Read more »
“If the commenters refuse to address what psychopathy actually is . . . ”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
How often do I have to address it before it is considered addressed?
kfg – so you agree – psychopathy is a gross deficiency. So why would anybody want to model alpha mindset or redpill mindset on that?
Wildman: “Eh – I got you pegged right the first go round – eh? Ehlen Degenerate it is. Fuck you are hilarious.”
Rollo: “So, if you tell a Beta, ‘you communicate like a woman’ the conditioned response then is to question the security of the masculinity of the guy pointing it out and he goes back to feeling good about himself for being evolved enough to communicate correctly – as a woman.”
https://therationalmale.com/2017/01/04/alpha-beta-communication-modes/
@kfg
Clinched that nail…I’m putting you up for Philosopher of the Year for the Gordion Knot solution to the “No True Scotsman” Problem.
clinical, criminal, our home-grown RP, and perhaps Wild Man’s and various other obscure definitions…reminds me that being self-reliant, confident, and arrogant makes you a candidate for being diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, lol
“Sentient’s stated sentiment”
Was in the context of the image Ehintellect posted.
Id/super ego
Alpha/beta
RP/BP
Platinum Rule/Golden Rule
Are all different things. Psychopathy as well…
AR
Thanks — And hey I just remembered that my Dad’s longest-running plate was as brilliant as they come, internationally known in her field, and a 9 to boot — but at heart a crazy cat-lady
@Wild Man
You’re the one bringing up psychopathy and you’re doing while clutching your pearls. If you want to talk about psychopathy, you need to back away from the socially pre-approved reflexive reaction of disgust you have toward it so you can see where it fits in with discussions about the Red Pill.
http://www.lifamilies.com/chat/p/2621032_2.jpg
http://fun107.com/files/2013/05/evolution-of-amanda.jpg
http://www.neilmoodie.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/whitney-houston-j-435.jpg
http://blacktimetravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/whitneygrammy.jpg
http://files.campus.edublogs.org/blogs.baylor.edu/dist/b/2235/files/2012/03/whitney-houston-crack-27lyp7s.jpg
@KFG “If the commenters refuse to address what psychopathy actually is . . . ” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy How often do I have to address it before it is considered addressed? So KFG, what you are saying is: There is no public fascination with psychopathy, and people won’t use their own definition for their own ends. There are no misconsceptions nor uncertainty about what it means to be “a psychopath”. Psychopaths are fundamentally different from the rest of humanity. They are in-alterably dangerous, always. They have no traits that are admirable. So what you are saying is that The Red Pill glorifies… Read more »
You forgot muh Western Civilization Quality Women(tm).
Respect the process
https://bit.ly/2jrxrvB
@O.B.I.T. They are all just girls, hypergamy and all, looking for their alpha underneath the facade. I’m in a stem field and my current consulting gig the immediate team has many high functioning females. One big problem is many are being systematically brain washed by the FI. I have been at 3 or 4 presentations in the last few month at my sons’ schools and they have this new push program STEM-something something just for getting as many girls as possible into STEM. Awhile back a WK teacher somehow failed to tell the boys at school that there was a… Read more »
Wildman
https://bit.ly/2rfi90q
https://mystudentvoices.com/how-to-control-your-thoughts-and-emotions-ft-david-foster-wallace-38e8292b9942
Wild Person
“Slowly, a pattern begins to emerge…”
Well how about that – you noticed that too – eh?
The pattern that is emerging is not what you are seeing.
What to make of the pervasive avoidance – eh?
Indeed. What should we make of that?
[Word-bolus deleted]
Do I got you pegged right AR?
Ahhh…..no.
Blaximus
Just lift bruh.
Be sure to clean your room first…
Hey, Blaxius, was that pic series all about the They Are Just Girls or a new version of Weight Watchers (“Take two views before every meal”)?
Lol
That Whitney Houston transition! I guess crack really is whack.
married_mgtow
My one buddy just laughs, he says they are just being evolutionarily removed from the human race.
Those faculty PhD girls twirling their hair I mentioned? Over half have zero children. Got PhD, got C.V., got lotsa certificates on the wall. But zero children. Some of them are Boomers, it’s been going on for a while now.
Eh – I guess you didn’t like my ‘playful banter’ or something, I dunno. (that is supposed to be irony there Eh – don’t go thinking I got the gay eye for you or something). Anyway – those articles you linked were about man/woman communications – so Eh – don’t really apply here to what has been said between you and me. That was my whole point with the shtick. I hope you get it. Anyway – thanks.for trying to help me Eh. Thanks everybody for trying to help me see what you guys see, I guess . For crissakes… Read more »
Sentient – despite what you are saying now this evening, as per your April 24 comment @ 6:02 a.m. on last thread, you did say: “All my greatest failures resulted from acting on my superego (quoting Eh). Same… Superego = Beta/Golden Rule Id = Alpha/Platinum Rule” This evening you say: “Was in the context of the image Ehintellect posted. Id/super ego Alpha/beta RP/BP Platinum Rule/Golden Rule Are all different things. Psychopathy as well…” I liked the image Eh posted as well, especially that it featured ‘Ego’ as the ‘Reality’ function (which you left out of your ‘thought-diagram’) . Are you… Read more »