I’m going to make a confession here; until a week ago I had no idea who Aziz Ansari was. I get he was some low limit comedian, and in today’s social environment that means he lectures an audience about social justice issues for an hour while trying to insert some humor into his act. I’ve pretty much given up on most comedians these days, and I’m a guy who used to love standup. However, my unfamiliarity with Aziz was actually a benefit in assessing his recent pillory in the mainstream. Had I known about him before all this, and his comedy activism, I likely would’ve just dismissed his case as the next guy to be put into the MeToo deadpool of celebrity men – and I’m being generous about the “celebrity” part.
I had actually resigned myself to blowing off his whole story until I started digging into the particulars of the ‘date’ he had with the anonymous “Grace”. On first pass this whole incident is easy to dismiss even for Red Pill aware men with better things to do than bother themselves with another Hollywood chump to go down to the open power grab that MeToo and TimesUp have become. There is, however, a lot to unpack in the whole thing though. If you want the whole story you can read about it here on Babe.net, the blog for “Girls who don’t give a fuck”, which is interesting because apparently they give a lot of fucks according to the story.
Just to break down some of the particulars here:
- She (Grace) approaches Aziz in the beginning. Flirts with him and then goes back to her date she was with that evening. They would catch each other glancing at the other durning the night (IOIs). They ‘ran into each other’ later and he number closes.
- Aziz Beta texts her almost immediately and tries to text Game/flirt with her before he asks her out
- Before meeting Ansari, she tells friends and coworkers about the date and consulted her go-to group chat about what she should wear to fit the “cocktail chic” dress-code he gave her. She settled on “a tank-top dress and jeans.” She showed me a picture, it was a good outfit.
- After the white wine she didn’t like, they end up back at his place. She complimented his marble countertops. Ansari turned the compliment into an invitation. “He said something along the lines of, ‘How about you hop up and take a seat?’” Within moments, he was kissing her. “In a second, his hand was on my breast.” Then he was undressing her, then he undressed himself.
- Ansari tells her he was going to get a condom within minutes of their first kiss, Grace voiced her hesitation explicitly. “I said something like, ‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’” She says he then resumed kissing her, briefly performed oral sex on her, and asked her to do the same thing to him. She did, but not for long. “It was really quick. Everything was pretty much touched and done within ten minutes of hooking up, except for actual sex.”
- Ansari repeatedly attempts ‘The Claw’. on her “The move he kept doing was taking his two fingers in a V-shape and putting them in my mouth, in my throat to wet his fingers, because the moment he’d stick his fingers in my throat he’d go straight for my vagina and try to finger me.” “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game.”
- Ansari physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”
- Ansari presses her for sex. He asks repeatedly, “Where do you want me to fuck you?” while she was on the countertop. She says she didn’t want to fuck him at all. He keeps asking, so she says, ‘Next time.’ Aziz says, ‘Oh, you mean second date?’ and she says, ‘Oh, yeah, sure,’ and he goes, ‘Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date?’
- She later says she doesn’t want it to seem forced and this wakes Ansari up from his sexual stupor. “He said, ‘Oh, of course, it’s only fun if we’re both having fun. Let’s just chill over here on the couch.’ Ansari instructed her to turn around. “He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. I think I just felt really pressured. It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment because I told him I was uncomfortable.”
- Halfway into the encounter, he led her from the couch to a different part of his apartment. He said he had to show her something. Then he brought her to a large mirror, bent her over and asked her again, “Where do you want me to fuck you? Do you want me to fuck you right here?” He rammed his penis against her ass while he said it, pantomiming intercourse.
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They got dressed, sat side by side on the couch they’d already “chilled” on, and he turned on an episode of Seinfeld. While the TV played in the background, he kissed her again, stuck his fingers down her throat again, and moved to undo her pants. She turned away. “I remember saying, ‘You guys are all the same, you guys are all the fucking same.’” Ansari asked her what she meant. When she turned to answer, she says he met her with “gross, forceful kisses.” After that last kiss, Grace stood up from the couch, moved back to the kitchen island where she left her phone, and said she would call herself a car. He hugged her and kissed her goodbye, another “aggressive” kiss. When she pulled away, Ansari finally relented and insisted he’d call her the car.
All of this detail is important to consider because Ansari’s actions here are classic Beta Game desperation tactics. It is literally one Beta move after another. Many of the reviewers of this incident like to point out that it was really a misunderstood date gone wrong, or else they use it as proof-positive of a sexual assault, but I’m going to argue something different here – Ansari is simply a Beta chump with very little Game savvy who, if he’d had even a hint of Game awareness could’ve had a good sexual experience both for himself and her.
As I’ve mentioned before, I’m not a proponent of men attempting to push past last minute resistance. For as much as “enthusiastic consent” will be used as a tool of fear to dissuade Beta men from even attempting to approach, I can’t say that I wouldn’t want a woman to have a genuine desire to fuck me in any sexual episode. I can remember in my ‘rock star 20s’ doing exactly this. If a woman wasn’t into having sex with me or she had some reservations or some hoops she expected me to jump through in order to get her to “come around” to fucking me I would simply excuse myself from the situation. I was at a point in my life where I had many other (proven) options, and if a new prospect wasn’t an absolutely ‘enthusiastic’ “Hell Yes!” girl I had at least six other women who were eager to come over and fuck me. This was just a subconscious awareness I took for granted at the time, but it was an attitude that stemmed from abundance.
That was essentially my Game back then. It was the natural reflex of an Alpha man and women responded to it. The behaviors and attitudes I exhibited just flowed from my unrehearsed subconscious. It was who I was. Dread is much more effective for a man when a woman sees that he’s oblivious to his causing dread.
Most men never really experience this kind of sexual abundance and as such it colors their outlook and how they expect sex to work for them. One big problem inherent to men’s Blue Pill conditioning is the idea that sex must be negotiated for a woman to feel comfortable enough to fuck a guy, but more importantly in this era, to avoid any misunderstandings that would lead to his getting a sexual misconduct allegation. The Blue Pill teaches men to respect women by default, for no other reason than she has a vagina, but also that open communication, full disclosure and negotiation are necessary elements of sex. We can see this played out in the ludicrous expectation that every sex action a man involves himself in requires vocal enthusiastic consent. This is the acculturation; men are expected to negotiate every sexual detail of a sexual experience.
Needless to say this is patently ridiculous, but it’s also the surest way to kill the actual enthusiasm a woman might actually have for a guy. One thing that will separate Alpha men from Betas in the future will be that man’s honed capacity to remove himself from any sexual situation that is negotiated. Women want to play the Game, they don’t want the Game explained to them. They want a man who Just Gets It and the men who don’t get it will be the ones whose dutiful Blue Pill conditioning prompts them to start any and every approach at intimacy by negotiating the terms for a woman’s desire.
You cannot negotiate genuine desire, but this negotiation is exactly what modern feminism simultaneously fosters and struggles against. The idea of ‘enthusiastic consent’ is really a want on the part of women to have the sex they genuinely have a desire to experience with a man. This is all women want to write about now and the Ansari incident is a textbook example of the kind of negotiated sex women don’t want to have, but sometimes go through with for transactional reasons. Remember, sex with Alpha men is validational for women – lackluster ‘meh’ sex with Beta men is transactional sex. If you only read what women are writing about sex today you’d think that transactional sex is all they’ve ever been having – and sexist men see women as ‘soft’ prostitutes. Now it’s suddenly some revolutionary act for women to have the sex Alpha sex enjoyment they’ve always “deserved” but have been repressed by transactional sex with Betas.
That said, I can’t disagree entirely with the want for an enthusiastic sex partner who genuinely wants to fuck me 12 ways to Tuesday. And this is women’s rationale today, “Don’t you want to fuck a woman who really wants to fuck you?” It’s hard to argue against the “Hell Yes” girl, until you realize that the sex they are describing is only reserved for the guy they really want to bang and mistakenly believe their overinflated self-value warrants.
Now, I’ve read the debate from PUAs who make the point that it is entirely possible to make a ‘No’ girl into a ‘Hell Yes’ girl. I’ve seen the infield videos so I’ll spare you the linking. My question then is, after deftly applying Game and calibrating all the minutiae to do so, how does this compare to a woman who has a genuine desire for you from the start? I think one huge hurdle for guys unplugging from their Blue Pill conditioning have to face is the presupposition that sex is only the result of a process of negotiation. That negotiation is what the Blue Pill teaches boys and men from a very early age.
Aziz! Light!
The Ansari incident has a lot of Red Pill lessons to teach. First and foremost is the fact that Ansari is a consumate Beta. Looking at the guy he resembles any number of Indian computer programmers frustrated by a want for the secret formula to make a gorgeous American blonde with big tits fall in love with him. Don’t get me wrong, I counsel these men personally, but he fits that schema. Next, Ansari is a vocal and outspoken White Knight for feminism and regularly proves his male self-loathing as part of his standup act. I mean, the guy wears a Time’s Up pin. But like most male feminists, he gets hung by his own Beta Game bullshit – this is the fate of all male feminists.
Lastly, Ansari is a Beta who made good. I’ve talked about the Blue Pill White Knights and self-righteous AFCs in many a post, but I’m not sure I’ve emphasized how dangerous this mindset can be for a Beta who has a combination of affluence, celebrity and social proof. There comes a self-validation in that Blue Pill mindset when women want to be associated with him. He develops a belief that it’s his Blue Pill conditioning, and his adherence to it, that is the reason for his relative success with women. This insulates these guys from ever disconnecting from that conditioning, but it also lessens an incentive to see women in any other perspective. The result of this is exactly what Ansari experienced in this incident. He was too comfortable in presuming his pro-woman, female identifying, Beta Game would make his sexual expression ‘Okay’ with any woman who gave him positive sexual interest.
Another big indicator of this, and really much of Beta Game, was his repeated pawing of Grace and repeated sexual expressions with her. It wasn’t working as he believed it should, so what was his solution? Continue with the negotiation and hope for a positive sign of reinforcement from her. Every act that Ansari attempted with Grace was a form of negotiation. I can’t get sex? How about a blow job? No? Okay how about if I go down on you? She feels forced? Woah, default to female identification persona. Presume the sale, “How do you want me to fuck you?”
This is all one big negotiation – there is no genuine desire and no enthusiasm of the part of Grace – but since Ansari has never had the incentive to learn Game he keep going back to what he thinks should work on her.
To wrap all of this up, I should mention that the reason this whole affair went viral is should really be no surprise. It’s one more example of everything MeToo has been harping on for almost 5 months now, yes, but it’s also an illustration of exactly this new sentiment of the “grey area” sex I brought to light in Dangerous Times – Part 2. It’s sex women have out of courtesy (Aziz got a courtesy hummer) or convenience or just as something to do. It is exactly the obligated sex I’ve been talking about since The Desire Dynamic. This incident is exactly the story this ‘grey sex’ sentiment had needed, but in the larger picture it highlights the difference between transactional sex and validational sex.
As Open Hypergamy becomes yet more normalized it’s now time that the Feminine Imperative acknowledges the type of sex women desire and enjoy, and the type of sex they feel obligated to perform as part of a negotiation or transaction. And naturally the need to define what women’s Hypergamy dictates becomes a new form of shame for men. Evil Patriarchal men are to blame for women having to openly acknowledge that they only want to fuck Alpha men with any real enthusiasm. Men are to blame for validational and transactional sex, and now absolved, women can take the next steps in consolidating on Hypergamy.
No, there’s no current legislation that makes ‘unenthusiasitc sex’ a sex crime (yet), but remember that the sexual arms race is always fought in the court of public opinion before anything is written in ink.
kfg on bone mass
Fucking doctors (no offense intended to those present).
Vitamin K2 assists calcium in getting into bone, rather than into blood vessel walls.
Weight bearing / load bearing exercise combined with proper nutrition and supplementation wins. “Take it easy, your O L D” kills every time.
http://s3cdn-test-lookbooknu.netdna-ssl.com/files/looks/large/2010/08/17/744541_7abby.jpg
Ahhh…. definite faux 7. She does have the skinnyish and big eyes. work those Myspace angles girl…
@Rugby
Paragraph breaks are good things. They make text easier to read.
At Sir Deti-
Gamers right, you’re trying to speak dog to a cat. She wanted to be there all right. It’s just that she didn’t want to blow her possible beta bux out of the water. She just didn’t wanna fuck. She misread him as well.
She’s very striking in some of her pix … see if this works
http://www.pictame.com/media/1699462586166945892_6983762427
Apparently Mr. Beta wrote a book…
In Modern Romance, Ansari combines his irreverent humor with cutting-edge social science to give us an unforgettable tour of our new romantic world.
“Bone problems … So would calcium supplements actually be a bad idea in many cases?” More often than not it’s pointless. It works under the assumption that if there are bone problems the problem is a shortage of calcium available to the system, which is probably not the case. If there is a shortage of calcium metabolically it’s probably a problem of absorption and/or apportioning, not absolute availability. An excess of calcium driven to the bones tends to build up on the joint surfaces, rather than being taken into the body of the bone where it isn’t needed, and that’s… Read more »
Manly:
Maybe it’s too much to ask that women accept responsibility for their parts in sexual encounters, and to ask for what they want and say what they don’t want.
Women used to be able to do this. Evidently women have degraded/been enabled to the point they can’t do it now.
“Vitamin K2 assists calcium in getting into bone, rather than into blood vessel walls.”
There are those prognosticating that arteriosclerosis isn’t too far from being diagnosed as a K2 deficiency.
@OBIT – Still not up to my 6. Cute face though.
@Incubus – Minnesota 6? LOL Whats the NY rating? Good question. She’s only a 6 for someone rationalizing late night at the bar.
Is it possible that, until “vetted”, using an app like Zuckerberg’s original FB (not the current solipsistic chick validation machine, the one he coded for the twins while still in school, according to the movie), the HBx rating posters provide is only relative to their OWN perceived SMV? Hmmm
@Sentient: She is HOT. No wonder she had buyer’s remorse.
@Marelius: I eat my words, she is hot. At least to me, per the pic Sentient posted. I had seen some other low resolution long shot pics of her.
re Grace:
She’s OK looking, for a traffic bollard.*
*Traffic bollard; a woman who isn’t attractive enough to draw my attention beyond figuring how to go around her.
hot? she’s cute because she’s young
more girl next door than hot; don’t get me wrong, still fuckable by a ways
I don’t say that to be snarky, just wondering about the implication here regarding how the concept of “leagues” gets instilled within the BP psyche, and how it might be affecting us in RP game after we wake up. @Rollo, I know I have read some of your writing about the concept of “Leagues”, but I don’t recall if you speak to its origin within us, rather than simply calling it out as a buffer concept. If you haven’t dug into its origins, I wonder if you would take some time to think about it and give us your thoughts… Read more »
thedeti
Maybe it’s too much to ask that women accept responsibility for their parts in sexual encounters, and to ask for what they want and say what they don’t want.
That’s “Yes means YES!” from stage 3 sex-pozzy feminism of the GenX sort. We’re beyond that now with Special Snowflake Millennials on the scene. Taking responsibility is hard, says Barbie, when adolescence now lasts to age 24.
Aziz was just supposed to read her mind, you see.
He was supposed to just get it.
I commented on this earlier, and frankly, Rollo while you are on point, you are missing what I think is an important aspect. Ansari is experiencing a dissonance sexually that he cannot process, just like say Louis CK or Weinstein. Due to his celebrity status, he has access to women who feign interest as part of their game that a guy with his SMV and betaness would never experience. He’s not just “beta”, he’s also Blue Pill and as such has women on a pedestal. Fyi, he’s not a sexual neophyte, you can tell by what he tries with this… Read more »
“Yes means YES!” is a book published back in 2008 by Jaclyn Friedman and Jessica Valenti.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Yes_Means_Yes
In California, if a student does not give an enthusiastic “yes”, either verbally or physically, then the sexual act has no consent.
It’s very important to keep this concept out of legal codes.
That’s the trouble with standard medical thought and calcium supplementation. More calcium isn’t always the answer because it’s difficult to stop calcium from building up in places where you definitely don’t want it.
I’ve been k2 supplementing for a while as a hedge. I need my arteries to remain supple. I avoid calcium supplements like the plague, regardless of what my doctor happens to think. I get plenty of cal in my diet. Nothing beats regular load bearing exercises, and you don’t even have to squat with 300 pounds to benefit….. But you do need squats.
Anonymous Reader
Their you go…
https://www.gq.com/story/granite-mountain-hotshots-firefighters-only-the-brave
“Paragraph breaks are good things. ”
PalmaSailor
it is…
https://www.utilitarianism.com/nu/omelas.pdf
Walawala
“All important skills also related to calibration which is where game is truly critical to a wider interaction with the world around you.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-1496175/Tobey-Maguire-helps-topless-woman-cover-ocean-waves.html
Self awareness is an under rated skill.”
@ Incubus
She’s not all that ” hot “. She’s evidentlyyour type, which imo, is what’s important.
@kfg: one man’s trash is another man’s gold. Maybe I have been around a lot of mediocre girls lately. Downside of living in a small town, the lifestyle is good but the hot chicks leave the nest to chase tingles in big cities.
@Sentient: I am going to order Ansari’s book and read it …. for lols. I guess the book will be available at 99% discount now, a signed copy that too.
And he knows what real interest and arousal look like cuz he gets it regularly –
And betas like Ansari don’t know what real interest and arousal look like cuz they never see it.`Even if they see it shown to alphas in their presence, they don’t “see” it.
In California, if a student does not give an enthusiastic “yes”, either verbally or physically, then the sexual act has no consent.
Of course, a woman can withdraw her consent retroactively, even 40 years later.
@AR:
Good old Jessica “I’m upset that I don’t get sexually harassed on the street now that I’ve turned 30” Valenti
Walawala
January 24, 2018 at 8:50 am
The thing most people refuse to pay is attention.
Lets stop using the name Grace…
@Scribblerg
So he wrongly feels HIS SMV is higher to them than it actually is. And in this case, Abby is going along with it, if begrudgingly. – FIFY
@asd: “And betas like Ansari don’t know what real interest and arousal look like cuz they never see it.`Even if they see it shown to alphas in their presence, they don’t “see” it.” The beta sees it, but uses buffers like “if only she knew how much I love her”, “this girl is damaged, not all girls are like this”, “my ideal girl will not do this, so I am better off without this one”. He doesn’t want to hurt his little ego by admitting that he lacks the SMV, but carries on with the false conviction “I must be… Read more »
re: “Grace” Eh. She’s not unattractive, but she isn’t “hot”, at least not to my eyes. All dolled up she’s probably just above a 6, otherwise she’s a 5.25 – 5.5 range. If you look around you can see other pics of her and she’s quite average looking really, unless you live in a place where most of the women her age are fat. Some other guys may find she is more their “niche” and uprate, or they may live in a place with less attractive women so her thin-ness uprates her relative to where they live. In a city… Read more »
Culture vs tribe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g59IncQSPSk
Giving attention to minefields of the present…
https://youtu.be/pTCTR_Ugjws
Ansari How would any of us here introduce him or reflect back to him what brought him to this social situation?
Nova Haha, right, If my LTR has drawn any clear public IOIs over the years it is usually South Asian guys (and the one black guy who was literally licking his chops and giving me a smile while she sauntered innocently past with that little extra bit of junk in the trunk). But back to the forensics… Aziz met her at some kind of gala event and then saw her next on their date, she so probably was more “dolled up” than usual both times. Google her name and go to Images and you get a range of looks from,… Read more »
Abby hot? meh
Where would you put her in this line up?
Where would she put herself?
Flip it around, say Aziz’s accuser looked like this?
Now would that even be believable? Or if this girl stood next to Abby in a bar, would you even be able to see her?
No.
Let’s not go crazy, there are baseline standards to maintain gents.
I am no Chad Thundercock. Was blue pilled for the majority of my life, but even then I knew when a girl was not into me even if she was texting me or hugging me after a couple of drinks, because I could SEE how she was overtly sexual with other guys. It was intuition … which I guess is called “calibration”. Can’t count how many times I said “No” to booty calls at 3 PM from girls who were treating me like a friend 2 hours ago in the club and flirting with other guys, but calling me later… Read more »
Lol
No matter how many times I’ve read. ” Chad Thundercock ” over the years, it still makes me laugh every time.
@Sentient: Agreed … Abby would be invisible in a bar standing next to one of these.
But you don’t see girls like these in a bar in smaller towns.
The population of the town where I am in less than 100K and so the pool of thin, young girls is less than 2K. I would be happy to bump into someone like Abby on a night out.
I think Abby works at the Burger King a few blocks from me.
Sentient
January 24, 2018 at 11:43 am
Where would you put her in this line up?
Absent
LOL
@Blax: Good for you if you can bang good looking ones on the regular.
OK, OK, but put Abby and Aziz in an anonymous police-style lineup, with no markers of status. Far more men would be attracted to Abby than women would be attracted to Aziz. (Though I don’t presume to speak for South Asian women).
Abby and Aziz … Abby and Aziz … I think a sitcom idea could be brewing here: It Is What Aziz
shes a 7
I’m willing to believe that there may be some similarity between what happened and what Grace says happened. But I’m not going to assume that her version is fact.
Even reading her version, she’s a mess. She needs to get her head out of her ass.
“I think Abby works at the Burger King a few blocks from me.”
It doesn’t matter if she photographs celebrities or flips burgers for a living. It doesn’t change her SMV. Looks > status
Abby is cute and thin. In New York with much competition I suppose she’s a 7, in a small town an 8.
But anyhow Aziz’s career and reputation appear to have been thoroughly trashed. A resounding success for the metoo/timesup/etc movement. I see there was a bit of a conflict between older feminists, who realized this was going too far, and younger ones who decided Aziz needed to be destroyed over this. The younger ones won, and I expect we can see more such accusations in the future.
@ Incubus I’m married so I’m just actually banging my own personal 7 now. But I cosign what Nova said. I can see the empire state building from my deck ( some assholes are building skyscraper condos that are as tall or taller, and fuxking with my view ) and even the proximity makes a world of difference in how the women look en mass. So yeah, there are metric tons of 6-7’s here, but the competition for being hawt is fierce as hell and Abby would fall way short in comparison. Not a dig at her personally, just an… Read more »
@ j
Her smv is relative. ( see sentient’s pics ).
“The population of the town where I am in less than 100K . . . ” [AOL]OMG! Me too!!![/AOL] In the rust belt: http://www.relentlesseconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/rustbelt.jpg Friend of mine once joked that in the summer he’d sit out on the stoop (it’s a Dutch thang) watching the girls comparing tattoos go by and imagine them putting on more clothes. Still on the same day I can go out and likely find one worth a biker’s double take.* I’ve known a few that beat Hollywood pretty to hell and gone, because they were actually pretty. Maybe we’ve just got more old school Dutch… Read more »
“And why dread works? Well – in ages past a man abandoning a woman was a death sentence for her. Which may also explain “agreeableness”. What does abandonment mean for women in “the West” these days? A hard life. Death is more serious.” @ Simon, actually, it’s clear that women are not too sure about this. Remember that Hillary Clinton quote regarding how women have always been the most victimized by war? You know the one when she says how women lose their sons, husbands and fathers to war? Like somehow the death of men is less tragic then the… Read more »
*Biker’s double take; Going around the block for a second look.
She’s definitely a “Deployment 8”.
The short answer is a beta’s death is not worth a women’s rape. That’s the world, right there.
kfg
January 24, 2018 at 12:38 pm
That is not the rust belt. It is the rustic belt. It is where deplorables live.
LOL.
Markos Beers
January 24, 2018 at 12:39 pm
That is why I love this place. The new things I learn. The different POVs.
Thank you.
I agree with @j, that girl is easily a 7. Sure she can vary from 6 a 7 or a high 7 with some favorable circumstances depending on make up or whatever and a bit of personal taste. I would not put that one as an 8 and she is even kind of my type. Many of you guys are really picky though, we’ve discussed that before, you somehow don’t see the loads of 5s or something that makes a slim, pretty (but not gorgeous) girl like this a 7. There ARE tons of 5s, 6s and 7s though. True… Read more »
Holy shit! This post just burnt a hole in my soul, I am fucking Ansari. Fucking genuine desire, its painful to realise your someone’s transactional buddy. With the recent girl I’m with I pushed sex onto her on the first night. Result? Five months later I’ve only slept with her 5 times after countless nights sleeping together. Apparently we should wait for marriage… To make it worse each lay resulted in me having to stop during the act and her crying. In retrospect I can’t recall one act of genuine desire. Mind you this is a post waller who previously… Read more »
Abby is the kind of girl whose friends look like this.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5369qiuyFg8/TlLXQClkIVI/AAAAAAAANRs/q_pQuq5lsn8/s1600/IMG_6972.jpg
For a reason.
On a side note
http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/c0.134.1080.1080/16907070_1719156198344167_5578305272096489472_n.jpg
Shave that pussy girl!
“If I don’t agree to be alone with you, it’s because I’m not ready for some kind of sexual contact with you. I’m not attracted to you (enough) (yet). I’m not comfortable (enough)(yet). It’s not the right time for me. I’m on my period. I’m in a bad mood. I have too many other things on my mind. “If I am alone with you in my dorm room/apartment/house/hotel room, it’s because I am ready for some kind of sexual contact. In fact I’m more or less expecting one of us to initiate it, and I’m hoping you will be the… Read more »
Rank is a constant IAS
you somehow don’t see the loads of 5s or something that makes a slim, pretty (but not gorgeous) girl like this a 7.
Doesn’t vary by subpopulations.
Interesting though that the SMP ratings are all within 2 points though: 5-7. Average to Above average.
I’d rate her as a 5 as she is very much not my type, where as IAS puts her at an easy 7 but draws the line there saying “I would not put that one as an 8 and she is even kind of my type.”
Looks like personal preference tends to only make a 2 point difference in most cases.
also @j,
that vice video you linked was awesome — goes along with some other things I have been working on. Getting all kinds of good ideas.
The details of their encounter reveal a lot. I hadn’t looked into them and now that I’ve read them, I agree. There is another way I’ve always seen this “negotiation” schema. It is really nothing more than bribery, blackmail, and con artistry. Yes, he was “negotiating” but all of these type negotiations boil down to one or a mixture those three. Playing the white knight and expecting “love” in return is literally nothing more than a fucking bribe. Betas do this (and probably we have all been guilty at some time) because they have no confidence in their own sexuality… Read more »
All that said does not negate the fact that men in general are now getting a raw shitty deal and everyone is a little clumsy once in a while.
Rape is criminalized male weaponization of sex.
There is no criminalized female weaponization of sex.
I entirely agree with Deti’s comment as to the fact that once upon a time if a woman came back to your place then prima facie she was interested in getting layed. She has no business doing so otherwise. I only ever had one bad experience which this story puts me in mind of an experience which continues to play unhappily in my mind. I had dated a girl a few times. She was perhaps a year or two older and in her late twenties. Despite those dates our relationship had not involved any sort of intimacy – I had… Read more »
@Sentient: Back in the day one of the big makeup companies (can’t remember which one) did this publicity stunt where they built a cage that could be placed over a head that had depth gauges all over it, set to the ideal shape. They toured it around and women could come into whatever shop they had it in and have a go at it (and then be sold makeup, of course). Then they got various popular beauties to give it a try. Nobody was ever a perfect match, but Catherine Deneuve is the one the came close enough for bullseye… Read more »
@Opus she froze It could be that she wanted something to happen originally, but in the moment, she balked…maybe she was inexperienced…thinking that she can’t believe that she’s actually going thru with this…that happens and it just takes a little patience and humor to defuse the tension and awkwardness…”oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that we came here to play tiddly winks”…[with a wry grin]…then you just relax and spread your arms and look around do something asexual like pick up a book or turn off the stereo and turn on the telly and let her nerves calm down and… Read more »
Nice use of Fibonacci there Sentient.
Proposed legislation in France to fine men for commenting on a woman’s appearance in public:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5307773/Men-face-fines-80-comment-womans-body.html
Presumably this will not be enforced on Alphas who provide appropriate ‘gina tingles.
“The short answer is a beta’s death is not worth a women’s rape. That’s the world, right there.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwYKYMAy6bk “There is no criminalized female weaponization of sex.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKgt4c8DNus palmasailor On it, another habit that must be vanquished. Today i approached a girl and was about to go out with another one… So far not sure how that may work out. Just found out this women i am interested in isnt going to be able to make it. That’s Fine also found out we are having a rugby gathering on Friday which i miss and hope to attend and learn from.… Read more »
@ a s gamer You could of course be correct. Perhaps had I played it differently it might have had a different outcome. The trouble is this: that every man who has been on the dating scene for some while is going to have that evening where what looked to be a certainty proves otherwise. I think by-the-way that that is the message from Da Ponte’s libretto for Don Giovanni. Giovanni has slept with 2,445 women – I counted; we know he has slept with Elvira who chases after him still; we know that on the day of her wedding… Read more »
@Blax: Girls are not an issue. It is just that I encounter 5s and 6s on the regular. They are not bad, but doable. Being in a small town even these girls tend to sometimes behave like 8s or 9s, but learning Game has helped me tame their madness. I get my fix of super hot girls every couple of months when I visit Paris, Berlin, Dublin for work … and my holiday every year in Romania 😉 Sorry to hear about losing the view of the Empire State Building. NY skyline is the best view in the world. I… Read more »
Being a man is ironic In order to lead you must know yourself and in order to know yourself you must face what hurts the most without anger
Abby is the kind of girl whose friends look like this.
Sentient calls it again. Every man has to work with what’s available locally in the near term. Across the length and breadth of the plains states, those chicks are the standard issue.
Hey they’re clean. Low on visible tats and piercings. Normal hair colors. Probably hoping for some exotic guy (New Yorker, Californian) that just gets it to show up.
I’ve been a TRM reader for over a year and decided to pop my comment cherry on this one.. So, where to begin.. I think Rollo covered it well, and I agree with Deti’s comment in that she clearly was not living up the her female responsibility of managing the situation.. She put herself in that position by going back to his place, and I think she was quite open to the possibility of sex with him.. that is until he made it cringe worthy awkward, and rushed the hell out of closing the physical arousal aspect of things… While… Read more »
Having sat next to (and gotten a date from) a chick in high school who later became a super model, I’m gonna call this chick a solid 6. She’s cute, totally invisible next to hot. The Wall will eat her alive. She certainly wasn’t worth risking the accusations at any rate.
@Incubus_Rising: I live in a small town as well, 12k to be exact. Love the beauty, the lifestyle and impact I can have giving back to the community. But, after burning through the limited supply of available 7’s here and in the surrounding community (all two of them) I grabbed a rental in the nearby big city 2 hours away. Dual life is proving to have it’s advantages. You ever consider that? Recently met an LTR potential (I’d give her an 8) thanks to my big city base of operations but Silver Fox’s ‘Serpent’ stories are haunting me with this… Read more »
Part of his problem undoubtedly is he cultivated an “alpha” persona. styled as kind of a hip ladies guy. Chiefly because he has what passes for wit today. Banter, glib, sarcastic, quippy etc…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DAwN-kdrHo
and girls will laugh at that. But laughter is not a reliable indicator of interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggc-pSMIzYA
He incorporates PUA as part of his shtick…
A couple years back, my wife got Aziz Ansari’s book “Modern Romance” in audiobook form, and wanted to play it in the car on a road trip. The book, which is presented as a guide to how we conduct “modern romance”, was co-written with a sociology professor and consists of a bunch of descriptions of interviews with 20 and 30-year-olds, and data produced by the sociologist. I remember this was just after my red-pilling and I was actively comparing his conclusions (or his co-writer’s, more likely) to what I had decided was the accurate description of reality outlined by Game.… Read more »
Definite 6 magnet http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2142295.1443348027!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/86657885.jpg Coincidentally, a different Confidenti@l source spotted the pair back in September and, while the spy said the couple looked “happy,” the onlooker admitted the comedian seemed distracted. “He was kind of dragging her along and holding her hand while on the phone,” said the source. Ha. http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2503930.1453333926!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/86932748.jpg Ansari met McBroom – who co-owns the Large Marge food company in LA – when she was a chef at the much-loved Momofuku Milk Bar. “I was working at Momofuku Milk Bar in Manhattan,” she told Food & Wine Magazine, “Someone said, ‘Aziz Ansari is here!’ I didn’t know… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFR4PPxp2z8
Explains a lot…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P3zE-QHkBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2LxzkMsYBQ
creepy dudes…
@ Rugby11 Thanks for sharing your thoughts for a change, man. And well done on getting up to do some improv comedy in front of folk. That takes some balls. Much more challenging than approaching a woman you’re attracted to cold… I agree that’s never too late (unless you are on your death bed) to re-invent yourself. Whilst i’ve been writing songs, playing in bands & recording and releasing music for most of my adult life, it’s only since i turned 50 that i’ve dived into electronic music production, something i’ve really wanted to do for many years. Whilst i… Read more »
aziz’s book here. reviews are funny from red pill perspective. He’s 34 so for sure knows everything there is to know a out girls and relationships.
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Romance-Aziz-Ansari/dp/0143109251
Maybe he could write his next book with Matt Walsh as a co-author…
kfg
Good old Jessica “I’m upset that I don’t get sexually harassed on the street now that I’ve turned 30” Valenti
Always a cosmic tragedy when a woman’s fried ice is too cold…surprising that there was never an ancient Greek play about that.
SjR “pops his comment cherry” — congrats! Opus makes possibly TRM’s the first opera reference? — all right! Does anyone know if Abby faced the music and revealed herself, or if she was found out? Or did she kinda want to be found out? If she had given Aziz the same privilege she afforded herself — anonymity — I’d be willing to just say, let’s see what we can learn from this sorry incident. Instead she continued, as NBTM says, the female weaponization of sex, and of the internet. I’m sure the DARPA guys were going, “Eureka! We’ve invented the… Read more »
Aziz may be beta but he is fucking hilarious
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3rvqbv
Blaximus
No matter how many times I’ve read. ” Chad Thundercock ” over the years, it still makes me laugh every time.
Ok, next time one of us goes to some stupid convention where little name tags are worn…
Bonus points for checking into the convention hotel under that name.
J
Interesting. I watched those clips I posted and didn’t chuckle once. He so self deprecating, and it doesn’t work because, well… Just look at him.
Once you have a taste for genuine desire, you won’t accept anything less. Let’s face it, Aziz Ansari is not a man that women genuinely desire. Like Rollo, I had no idea who he was till this allegation. You don’t see women celeb crushing on this man. He has most likely been around women who wanted him for his perceived status but never had any real desire to fuck his brains out. Chasing desire is a fool’s errand, and anything less than genuine desire actually feels off-putting once you have a taste of it. When you see that the woman… Read more »
Incubus_Rising It’s ego and that’s why i share thing’s without wanted any recognition. I don;t want to appease my ego and all the fantasy aspect’s of my subconscious. I am struggling to hold on to a world that has never existed. A world i love but that no longer exist. Approaching Self reliance building my ideals into reality while loving the men that i have direct contact with. Not imposing anything on anybody. A huge portion of my anger comes from using religious conviction to determine the morality of anyone including me. Over the weekend i meant up with a… Read more »
@Sentient
the clip i linked was from a 2009 special filled with really offensive jokes that he’d be ripped apart for today. Before parks and recs he was on MTV’s Human Giant. Maybe I just like retarded shit too much. Like this shit is still hilarious to me:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/d6e1037cc2/mtvs-human-giant-viral-videos-from-human-giant
Rugby11
Simon’s so right … “without anger”
So lighten up the cross, it’s a long journey.
Are you still in NYC?
@Sentient – I thought maybe he’d done some PUA course or something. The whole encounter sounds so mechanistic and outcome oriented, so forced. I don’t think most AFCs have the resilience to push through all that. Bad PUA is a fast course to all kinds of trouble… @JohhnyComeLately – I don’t understand your medical challenges, so perhaps your case is not easily dealt with. But I know this. Any man can learn to handle intersexual dynamics better and get better outcomes with women if he really learns the truth of human intersexuality. Maybe not huge gains all the time, but… Read more »
The Solitary Silver FoX Whats the soundcloud link to hear your music? Who are your influence’s? “make your own self improvement your main goal in life. And do it for you, not for a woman. Period! We must be authentic men. Authentic to our own individual muses. This all makes perfect sense to me now. You can teach an old dog new tricks if he’s open and willing to learn. I’ve now accepted this is a Summer of mostly solitude in the Monk Cave,” In solitude i find the best of myself… Walking in the Forrest on my solution’s. What… Read more »
Rugby, if you are still blaming yourself for some bad things that happened in the past, that has stop. It does no good and actively harms you. Forgive yourself.
@Johnnycomelately, you have one definite advantage – you are Red Pill aware. Use it to your benefit. Dump that bitch.
O.B.I.T. I left sunday morning… But man i fall in love with those streets every time i get off the bus… I love that city something about new york really connect’s to the best human’s are capable of. Anonymous Reader Im not blaming anybody but myself. Not for something in the past but what i can do in the present. What is in my realm of control my best ability to become a sculpted man of courage and mastery. Healing for me is allowing IT the pain or sadness of not knowing what to do go away. It’s being ok… Read more »
@ scribblerg
Maybe Aziz should be introduced to Bill Burr…or Al Bundy…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0vZhz3sN_E&t=483s
Anonymous & Blaximus – I rolled laughing earlier when I read ‘Chad Thundercock’, and I was in a work meeting and supposed to be paying attention… Lol! I later text to ask my girl how she would feel if I changed my name to Chad Thundercock? Her reply: “I’ll still love you, Mr. Cock” I’m very much game for putting that on a name tag.. Hahaha Ok seriously now, I’m sitting here thinking about this Abby (Grace) girl’s comment “You guys are all the same” while I sip some whiskey.. I can’t help but think that in her Disney, fairy… Read more »
Abby Nierman.
Anybody want to change their assessment?
Saw those bullrings in the nose on hundreds of women in the Pacific Northwest and I guess it is getting around. Does that mean something that I’m too terminally un-hip to find or figure out?