Presently I’m putting the final touches on my third book, The Rational Male – Positive Masculinity. I’m now going through the final proofing stages of the print version while I await the reformatting for the digital version. As if that weren’t enough, this time of year tends to be my busiest with regard to promo gigs and brand developments stuff for my “real” job. So if my posts for the next couple of weeks seem a bit sporadic that’s why.
In the midst of this, however, I came across a comment by a long time lurker, Logic, that dovetailed so perfectly with the Afterword of the new book so well that I’ve decided to quote parts of it in the book:
I don’t comment a lot in this blog. However, I think it is important to make a comment that many will probably disagree with but is certainly true for me.
If you ask someone what is the greatest benefit he gained by reading Rollo’s articles, I am sure that you will get various responses:
“I finally got laid”
“I managed to successfully spin plates”
“I understood the true nature of women”
“I stopped giving a fuck and focused on myself (and the women came after)”
…etc
I am sure that all of these are true, not the least reason being that I have experienced these benefits myself.
However, if I may suggest an unpopular opinion, the greatest benefit that one gets from reading Rollo’s article is the fact that you are giving yourself a safety net. And the most important thing in my opinion is that you give yourself this safety net EVEN IF you don’t truly believe what Rollo writes.
If I may elaborate briefly, by safety net I mean LITERALLY safety net. The safety net’s purpose is not for you not to fall. It is for you not to DIE after you have fallen. I believe this is an important distinction (and forgive me Rollo if you have touched on this in one of your articles already). At least for me this is HUGE.
There is a nontrivial probability that you ARE going to fall. Unless you really swear to not EVER feel ANY emotional connection with a woman, then it is highly likely that at some point you WILL fall in love with a girl. Sure, I am positive that many guys will consider that this is something that they can control now that they are Red Pill aware, but you MAY at some point fall in love and you WILL lose your “cool” (btw if you don’t want to call it love call it infatuation; there will be a girl whose combination of laughter, looks, mannerisms and personality will produce this to you; if you want to deny it go ahead and you may be right. But as I said this is just MY humble opinion).
So where does the whole “safety net” come into play? Well, it comes into play when things go south. You WILL loose your cool and she might not notice but then again she also may notice. You will think that this girl is different. Again, it is easy to say that AWALT, but you are not dealing with a bunch of 1s and 0s. It is a human being, standing in front of you, with a personality, with a voice, with interests, opinions and the like. So your brain will tell you that THIS one is different.
And when it turns out that she is not, and she goes cold or dumps you, or cheats on you, then my friend you are going to be JUST FINE. Because you have a safety net. I am not saying that you won’t be sad (you will) but you won’t try to throw yourself under a bridge. The safety net is placed there for a simple reason. The reason is that, in the beginning stages of your infatuation, before you started thinking that she is “not like that”, a little voice inside of you said “You have read about this situation in the Rational Male brother. This may be an illusion. Be careful”.
Yes, you muted that voice for a while, but you never killed it. And when the inevitable happened this little voice came back and said ” Oh well. We knew it. Nothing wrong with giving it a shot. Now let’s move on. Hey check out Little Miss Perkytits at the counter.”
I know that many of you will laugh at this but, to me at least this is a big deal. I also think that the analogy of the safety net is pretty accurate. Even if all of Rollo’s writings hadn’t helped me AT ALL with getting laid, improving myself etc and THE ONLY benefit was gaining that safety net, I think that reading Rollo’s articles would have still bee very much worth it.
I thought this metaphor of a safety net was apt. The history that comes after a man has unplugged himself from his old Blue Pill mindset is in some ways more poignant that what a man does while he is still trapped in his old way of thinking. It’s easier to forgive yourself of the decisions you made in Blue Pill ignorance, but when you become Red Pill aware you own those decisions. As Logic points out, you can only read and absorb what I or any other Red Pill author has to relate to you – at some point you’re going to either consciously or not put this new awareness into practice.
As such you’re bound to make mistakes or false starts. No one makes it on their first jump. It takes time and practice along with an educated Red Pill awareness to internalize and transition into a new way of life. One reason I wrote A New Hope was to help newly unplugged men get past the anger and nihilism stages of unplugging, but also to warn them that the want to achieve the old Blue Pill idealistic hopes will be a strong impulse until they come into a new understanding of Red Pill, realistic, hopes for themselves. In that stage, and even after, there will always be mistakes and falls along the way.
The difference now is that you have a new confidence in the knowledge that Red Pill awareness provides for you. Whereas before you struggled with both a lack of understanding intersexual dynamics and the deliberate misdirection of you ever understanding it, now you have the Red Pill Lens. Now you have a perspective that in most ways insulates you from ever thinking your situation is hopeless. Red Pill awareness provides you with a map and a safety net that allows you to make accurate corrections to your Game, to your relationships and to your life no matter if you fall, no matter your temporary setback. Many a disingenuous critic would have men believe the Red Pill is all about anger or fomenting a belief that men are victims of an unfair system, but what they conveniently ignore is the overwhelmingly positive effect Red Pill awareness has in men’s lives. A great source of confidence comes from a man knowing he’s been emancipated from a Blue Pill paradigm that’s conditioned him to blind himself to its influence.
Reader, and long-time friend, Morpheus responded with this:
Exactly right. All of it!
My 2nd marriage recently ended (about 6 weeks ago my wife left me and informed me she was filing for divorce) and to be honest I’ve sort of surprised myself just how emotionally unaffected I’ve been compared to my first marriage ending (which was before Red Pill, Rollo, and Rational Male). I’ve actually had multiple people comment incredulously at just how well I am doing. I’ve recommitted to a much more intense and frequent workout regimen, and am down about 20 pounds in those 6 weeks.
I credit my Red Pill perspective for enabling me to stay relatively stoic about it all, and refocus on something positive. I think it helps that I realize I haven’t lost my “Soulmate” because that is bullshit to begin with, and that women are fungible at least partly. Don’t get me wrong, I really do feel like I lost by best friend and have times of sadness. It certainly helps to realize that “Little Miss Perktits/Tight Ass/Tighter Wetter Pussy” is out there, and I’ll be fucking her soon enough.
I’d add that my Red Pill perspective also clues me in to what awaits my soon to be ex-wife who is 43 going on 53 in terms of her menopausal stage and very overweight (we started dating when she was 32 with the body of a fitness model). Schadenfreude is probably the wrong term since I don’t actively wish her a horrible experience in the SMP, but I do know she is in for a very rude awakening once she tests the dating waters.
But yeah, you are absolutely right. The fact of the matter is many “Red Pill” guys are going to form strong emotional bonds with women, and it will hurt when those bonds are severed unless you are a psychopath who doesn’t feel emotions like love, affection, etc. But the most powerful thing about the Red Pill perspective is knowing you will be JUST FINE and that truly the world is filled with other female options.
Anyone who’s read my post What’s Your Problem? probably has a good idea of what motivated me to write what I do going on 16 years now, but when I read stories like this and I get emails or Tweets to let me know how what I’ve made men aware of has somehow changed or saved a man’s life it’s always a humbling experience. As I’ve stated in both my books, I’m not in the business of making better men, I’m in the business of helping men become better men themselves. No formulas, no Top Ten Ways to,… lists, just actionable intelligence; but that information still requires a man come to applying it to his own life in a way which works for him.
Even if all Logic gets from my work is the sense of confidence that he has the right intel about how he can better direct his life despite any momentary downside I consider that a success of my intent as a Red Pill writer. When you look at the appalling statistics of male suicide and you understand the correlation of it with the rise of a feminine-primary social order that teaches men to loathe their own gender and accept their superfluousness, knowing that the Red Pill can provide some insulation against it is encouraging. My first reflex when I read a story like that of Morpheus is to presume the man is a suicide risk; his response to his situation is an example of how Red Pill awareness is not just an exercise in warning and preparing men of what to expect, but also a safety net in case a man must deal with the worst.
From the 16 Commandments of Poon
VII. Always keep two in the kitty
Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.
As I get closer to completing whats become a herculean task of finishing this book (it’s now at 340 pages!) I’m taking some time to reflect on what I’ve done not just with this new book, but what I’ve built in the Manosphere for over 15 years now. I may be one of the 3 ‘R’s of the ‘sphere, some might say I’m the godfather of the Red Pill and my work is required reading for the Red Pill Reddit sub, but I’ll never be comfortable with all that so long as there are guys who are still despondent in their Blue Pill paradigm. The Red Pill is ‘open source’ and its strength lies in its decentralized way of openly debating and testing the strength of ideas. I’m humbled that many men have had their lives changed by what I write, but it’s really a testament to their own resolve – all I do is connect dots, remember?
If it’s not too much to ask, for this week’s comment thread I’d like to get some feedback on how the Red Pill has changed your life. Maybe it’s been my work, maybe it’s due to others in the ‘sphere, but as I get closer to finishing book three I wanted to get men’s Red Pill testimonies, so to speak, to help with the summation of the book.
Thanks.
The red pill changed my mental outlook. I am 30 years old and married at 25 with little real experience of dating and women. In the first 3 years of the relationship I had a very unhealthy beta mindset. Often believing the soul mate myth and that my wife would be my only option. Obviously this had a negative impact on the relational dynamic with my wife. I was obsessing about a GNO girls night out where she dressed about 20 times more attractively than she did around me. On googling I found the Rational Male post about a GNO… Read more »
“I also think that the analogy of the safety net is pretty accurate.” Leaning out certainly involves the chance of a fall. Not a Wilhelm-scream free fall though, more tumble and landing involve pain, survivable though. RP men stick the landing better using “actionable intelligence” on the way down. Like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QliBL-AQiAY “As such you’re bound to make mistakes or false starts. No one makes it on their first jump.” As soon as one thinks he “makes it”, backsliding occurs. IMO, it’s a continuum, sometimes fast, sometimes slow, never static. There’s no false starts. The RP world can’t be… Read more »
Another thing I’ve learned, through painful, repeated trial and error, and that Red Pill has shown me, is that there is no way men and women can discuss any of these things about sex, dating, mating, reproduction, relationships, attraction, marriage, and male and female nature, with each other, in any meaningful way. When faced with discussions like these, women invariably have one of the following response trajectories; 1) NO NO NO NO NO THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS WOMEN AREN’T LIKE THAT YOU ARE A BIGOTSEXISTCHAUVINISTASSHOLEMISOGYNIST WHO CANNOT BE REASONED WITH AND YOU MUST BE MADE TO DIE DIE… Read more »
@thedeti
there’s no reason to discuss these things with females……
Save the logic for the big bois
My workplace blocked TRM recently. Hadn’t read the comments until today. Wow…powerful narratives. A big THANK YOU to all the new commenters…great stuff.
That above comment is why: At the Married Red Pill subreddit, one of the prime pieces of advice given to newly unplugged men is to Shut The Fuck Up. Stop talking. DO NOT TALK. Don’t share your feelings, don’t “communicate” and “try to fix it”. The first rule when you’re in a hole is to stop digging. The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club. Don’t talk about Red Pill stuff to any women. Don’t defend, excuse, explain or rationalize. Don’t try to persuade a woman about what you did or are doing or… Read more »
IMO a guy can discuss relationships but in a way which stimulates her imagination. emotions, drawing her along. Lady hindbrain demands emotional lability and values a man who can provoke the bad feelings, emotion…and deftly subdue it too.
Tip: If she’s always chill, she’s probably a dude.
@ Eh
A few years back, my company installed a new web monitoring software and TRM was immediately blocked.
I ” unblocked ” it.
No one has noticed and no one has asked why I unblocked it…. so far.
@Blax
That particular station was public access. IT prompted me to justify viewing TRM, demanded i.d. I balked. Oh well…
Hi everyone, I’ve been following TRM for years and this is my first post. In my teens and early twenties I was a total Blue Pill Nice Guy. Like most, I always wondered why the “Good Girls” I liked always saw me as friend. They would cry to me about how awful their boyfriends treated them yet, they still slept with them. I thought, “oh well, if I’m nice to them, they’ll dump their boyfriends and start dating me.” Shockingly, that strategy never worked! When I first read TRM I was stunned that someone put into words what I had… Read more »
@thedeti @Rollo We’ve discussed before how women argue: 1) Cry to gain sympathy and frame. Knock the man emotionally off balance. 2) Blame the man for her bad feelz. 3) When the man points out that her bad feelz are her own fault, she says that the man does the same thing. 4) The woman distracts, confuses, shifts blame, lies, cries, etc. 5) The woman shames the man and disrespects him and perhaps shows contempt for him. Has there been a post about how women argue on TRM? If not, maybe this discussion deserves a post of its own because… Read more »
As I internalize the RP, and it had been 5 years in the making, I have gone through three distinct phases 1. Avoided suicide due to thinking I was alone and sane in a world (and marriage) that was insane. 2. Becoming game aware, overconfident, demonstrating to me and my wife my SMV was self correcting 3. Realizing that my wife is actually very true to her nature, and as such is actually a normal woman, as long as you learn from Rollo what normal is. In turn I can now act as a normal man which is what she… Read more »
Good point, palmasailor.
Thanks to all. Take care.
I am in a unique situation, having had little experience with women, due to undiagnosed low testosterone until recently (my 30’s). Correcting that has given me great mental and physical strength. It has also enhanced my ability to emotionally connect with women (interestingly, my libido and erections were sky high with low testosterone). That emotional closeness to women is great, but also a potential danger. I could easily see myself going All-In for a woman, when I should be going All-In for myself. And ironically, doing the former (indvesting entirely in an emotional connection to one woman) would ultimately cause… Read more »
Action is for men
https://www.reddit.com/r/germanshepherds/comments/6m2c0e/she_likes_to_sniff_the_fish_i_catch_and_watch/?ref=share&ref_source=link
There is one variant on not talking about Fight Club with women. You may have to say a little about it to your daughter. I did. Of course I couched it in terms of Game and evo psych. Something that is innate in the species, transcends all cultures and races, though through conscious effort you can channel it and use it as needed. Told her she will encounter it. It’s not a bad thing, it just is, know what it is and that it is. That seemed to work. Funny enough a couple years later she watched Fight Club on… Read more »
Dinner party and the continuation of Tyler Durden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTEWIC_TKU
You don’t have my permission to die.
Humiliation
Rising social status
Public ridicule
Young men need a secondary farther to finish raising them.
You do good work Rollo.
I found this corner of the interwebz while trying to figure out how to help the young men under me. Reading here, having more formal language for concepts I already had helped me to speak with more authority then simply saying “because The Ton says”. Thank you
If you ever want to branch out, I suggest something along the lines of teaching men how to create their own brand but if you never wrote anything again you have done you have done more then is required of any man
Hi Rollo, Long time reader, first time commenter. “Saved my life, made sense of everything, I knew something was wrong, connected the dots.” These are common themes from the comments and all are true for me. I am now 65 years old and have been married for 33 years and since reading your blogs and books over the last 4-5 years, I am happier, the wife is happier, and life is good. Not so much when I was 60. It’s never too late to learn and benefit from Red Pill truths. Thank you so much for your work and insights.… Read more »
The rational male has helped me with basic social skills. As someone on the spectrum the equalist mindset has been a huge stumbling block with learning about how to interact with people. Men can be given the details of situation or request and if given the space will problem solve through it. Women expect that the weight of decisions and emotional burden will be carried for them within conversations.
If I had continued to hold the equalist mindset I would not have been able to adapt my speech for women.
If not for the red pill and TRM I would have gone somewhat insane and probably turned to alcohol while my marriage crumbled. I was certainly feeling insane wondering why I was so miserable. Thanks to TRM I began to understand how all the myths and messages about women and relationships were dooming my marriage, and I was able to see the Matrix around me. It sucked for quite a while, but I’d rather know the reality and struggle than go insane in a make-believe world. With TRM I have gained understanding of the evolutionary foundations of gender relations, and… Read more »
“I’m happy yet realistic, and *feel prepared for anything*. It’s much easier to deal with the world as it is than the false one we were raised to believe in.”
Neither afraid to fall nor afraid to die.
Greetings from Germany!
Discovered TRP 2 y ago and it helped me alot to cope with my breaking up recently.
My ex told me out of the blue that she did not love me anymore. Despite we were having a great time with our New puppy and so on. Well Long Story short we ended this and we ended this.
I am not sad, I am happy to see the things to come and girls to fuck.
Especially to be the Man I want to be and do many things different with New girls..
Keep on doing this…
@ theasdgamer
For an essay on how women argue check out illimitable men.
Women argue? Ditch that bitch and bang 10 more
Red pill for me has brought truth and awareness to the field of dating which is mostly governed by how women are manipulating us guys. I think most guys are pretty clueless in this arena.. certain truths like a woman loses some of her power after sex could be truth. I think the red pill plus other sources give us guys a fairer playing field due to the love battlefield we find ourselves on.
The other night I was out on the town, and walked up to a girl I had chatted to a few weeks ago who had hit on me. This night she just walked away, but another two girls seated at the bar engaged me immediately. One was average but bangable and was coming on to me hard. I went along with it, and after a while the conversation turned to sex, and she said she had just gotten divorced, and regretted having had so few partners in her life. She tells me she has two kids, and I asked her… Read more »
I’ve been reading this blog for a while and I am still not sure where Rollo stands on the complementarity between unrestrained hypergamy and game. At what point do we become enablers of hypergamy and its destructive effects on the people around us, because this is as, if not more, destructive as the other elements of the FI, and it relies exactly on us giving these women the cocky chad short term love they want. I guess this question is important to me because I see the FI as being part of a bigger program to weaponize culture to destroy… Read more »
Well, the thing is you can’t save “Western Civilization”, in the sense that you mean it
BP men will feel the need to save the world or the ho. It’s in our nature as men ‘to do the right thing’. RP shows you the futility of this and guides you to look out more for yourself. After all, when you’re gone, you’re gone. RP mortality requires you to think of the short-term.
@ novaseeker agree 100%
Long story short: was facing a divorce (wife “not haaaaaappy”) had a red pill friend take the time and patience to ask the right questions to get me to come to my “what is the matrix?” moment.
Read BPP’s book, Athol’s Primer and your first. While all helpful in their own way, yours definitely helped connect the dots.
Divorce never happened. With RP, I know it could still happen. “My turn” could be over, but I have the tools and safety net that I didn’t before.
Thanks for your massive contribution to RP, Rollo.
@Novaseeker agreed, but my rejection does mean something. She’d have lucked out getting a guy with my SMV, would have told all her friends, I’d have been a reward. An AFC chump with a beer gut not so much. These women should experience the full brutality of the reality of the dating market when they decide to ruin several lives with their selfishness, not have a guy like me validate it. Sure she’ll find another cock but she got rejected by a guy out her league , and from what I have seen that does have an impact on them.… Read more »
@blackerpill
That’s assuming she thinks like a man.
By hamster reasoning it was 100% your fault that you were too much a coward to have sex with a strong indepenent woman, you couldn’t handle her so she got a real man instead
@Blackerpill Good move man would have done the same myself having already done the divorcee w/ two in nest deal every which way and paid the price. there is always the fucking we get for the fuckin we got. She proly went out shopping to change her looks,smell and clothes,left wondering why she couldn’t hook up with her choice,what with all the orbiters and bird dogs she’s turned away. Women just can’t handle rejection,lose her # quick man. Nova is correct,hypergamy doesn’t care and were rolling downhill like a snowball headed for hell,but the main takeaway is you could see… Read more »
Blacker Pill You are still plugged in friend. White Knighting on behalf of other guys tonshow the FI a lesson. “She’d have lucked out getting a guy with my SMV, would have told all her friends, I’d have been a reward.” Maybe. Hypergamy is a win win strategy. As such it can’t be “defeated”, defeating hypergamy is dog logic. The only way to deal with hypergamy is on your terms, in service to your MPO and the Platinum Rule. All else is justed wasteful self masturbatory ego puffery and buffering. Yikes! +100 on the ex post facto hamster rationalizations that… Read more »
@Blaximus
On shrinking metal.
There was a bad hail storm, and a Brunnett gal was blowng on her tail pipe to get the dents out when a Blonde came by and reminded her to roll up the windows.
https://soundcloud.com/realmarkbaxter/030-aedonis-bravo
I’m a seeker of TRUTH in a world filled with lies and I am happy to swallow the pain because I know it will help me grow. You saved my life and gave meaning and direction to my pain. Once I calibrated myself and stopped being angry at myself and everyone around me (now I realize why people lie), I became an unstoppable force making my way into the big wide world. Two years ago I was in a suicidal depression, abandoned and misunderstood, now I am a man, leading and teaching by example. I’m only 24 and I believe… Read more »
@Blacker Pill:
The Western Roman Empire did not rise again. It was replaced by a Romanized Germanic civilization. There is no way back. This is not to say that there can’t be something of a Western Civilization in the future, but the only way to it is forward from where we are now.
And where we are now is not dissimilar to where the Roman Empire was circa 400 – already fallen but didn’t know it yet.
You cannot save the world. You’re going to have to start it.
Last year was the worst of my life, and im almost 30. To sum it up i developed deep oneitis with this much younger girl who dumped me and instantly fucked some alpha dude. I had my fair share of alpha outburst in the past but she really brought the beta outta me. I wanted to jump from a high window the same moment she was with this other dude, that memory burned in my head, forever changing me. I devoted myself deeply to the rational male and made this girl my lab rat when she came chasing me after… Read more »
@sentient when I was still bluepilled all my gfs swung branches to me. I didn’t care about the old branch and I was too clueless to understand what it all meant. Now as stuffinbox said I saw through her shtick and closed her down. And not true she didn’t care, women are responsive to shaming. She wasn’t smiling when she walked out of there. Her AFC ex.. that’s part of the story. There are kids now dealing with a broken family. Maybe what I did won’t make her choose them over random cock, but I grew up in a broken… Read more »
One of the many side benefits of being proficient at pulling ass is being able to next a bitch for any damn reason you want, or no reason at all with out worrying about when the next peice of trim will happen by, so Blacker Pill, you want to pass on a bitch because she likely dumped a good hearted beta? 100% your call as a sovereign man. Hell I have a bitch the boot because she said my dog was mean. Hind sight being 20/20 I should have banged her then given her the boot the second after dumping… Read more »
Don’t usually comment on anything ever, but I’m making an exception. I’m a wife with a wonderful husband and twin boys. Happened upon your site through a link and read for a very long time! A bit “ouch” but the truth always is, and very enlightening. thanks for your hard work and (sincerely) remarkable insight.
Im a Mexican guy. I’m 27 years. You thought me to take control of my life. When a read “kill the beta” I left the masturbation habit (1-3 times in one day). I build new habits and now I’m a social guy. I’m learning English and I’m going to meet-ups for practice and meet other people. Before of that I was the typical anxiety guy. Day after day I feel better with myself and that confidence is percibed for the people around of me.
Thanks rollo.
How the hell did that happen? A random women sneaks a positive word in here. I’ve never actually witnessed that over half a decade. Even anon (Liz) who actually resonates with ideas here (because of INTJ personality and cool husband and sons) rarely compliments the medium. Anonymous, what is wonderful about your husband? What is great about how you admire and respect him and let him be a complement to raising your twins? (WRT: Mothers and Fathers nurture children differently, but happy, healthy families have parents that complimentarily raise healthy children. Mom is Mom unconditional love, Dad is Dad positive… Read more »
Mrs. Eh has been lurking at RPwives somewhere. There’s feminine desire for RP, but ultimately because the men have LED these women to RP. Wives can’t fully appreciate the burden of masculinity…knows her support is only that, support, not the boldness required for definitive transformation. Sure as shit she’ll enjoy the benefits of alpha-up. Married women ended up at RP wives most likely because their guy talked fight club to a willing, sympathetic wife. He acted timely in a groomed marriage…or forced improvised change…danger…scary… After years of her reading self-help power of praying wife stuff, HE decided to change, hard… Read more »
@ SFCTon
You’re resilient…gotta ask. Have you described your divorce frankly somewhere? You’re known for solid, brusque frame. I’m putting some pieces together.
During my SWCS days, I’ve ran with a SF guy or two, early 90’s. Humbling in ways…clarifying in others. They allowed me to roll, mostly because I STFU, listened.
They were young guys though. Blind spots. Being good at killing didn’t help their marriages live.
You ain’t gotta answer. I’m grateful to have known you.
I have discussed it at length a few times. How my home life was so fucked up, including no sex for years, not coming off mission cycle and pushing things much harder then needs be in attempt to die on duty. During the divorce I found out she was hooked on pills and fucking another dude while I was recovering from misplacing my lung; how the real bitterness was less about her and more about the State, church, Army etc backing her play. How I sucked ass at dating post divorce because I was to serious about it, how i… Read more »
I am pretty open to answering questions. If I don’t it’s about opsec or it’s a stupid fucking question
how has the red pill changed my life? “Don’t talk about Red Pill stuff to any women.” I broke the first rule. I told her everything about herself. guess what I learned? Fight Club, like every woman ever, has no rules. It was only because of the red pill and Rollo that I had the courage to jump off tthe cliff. I know I am not the son he would ever want, but he cannot deny that he is, along with myself, my second father as he helped me more than anyone else rebirth myself into reality. It wasn’t until… Read more »
LOL, Fleezer
Good to hear from you. Red Pill is Accepting Cognitive Dissonance. (Accepting paradoxes and not actually being afraid of that shit.)
Love your comments. Despite your doubts (Otherwise known as your own Resistance of your goal, and which you’ve pushed through) you push the masculine. And that’s a positive thing here.
God Bless you, Man.
No man is a hero to his wife. This is not because the hero is not a hero, but because the wife is a wife.
It’s been painful lately seeing my backyard neighbor get lost in duties to shore up his “perfect” house. He’s not really living like a Red Pill Man. He literally things tasks and improving his house and back yard deck and landscaping is actually living a life. Some of the recent old commenters are really living without shackles. With freedom. I am too. Excuse the gay new-agey Deida prose. Translate it into masculine-like red pill prose and consider this proto-red pill chapter (prompted by SFC Ton’s comments) : Quote: Chapter 14 TWSM: Don’t Get Lost in Tasks and Duties Whatever the… Read more »
“And not true she didn’t care, women are responsive to shaming.”
Yep. When bad behavior is punished, you see less of it than when it is rewarded.
“No man is a hero to his wife.”
That isn’t true.
@ Ton
Thank you.
I had a couple opportunities to cuck another soldier’s wife. Glad I didn’t go there, found it odd how willing they stray.
No doubt Rollo, you’ve saved my life and countless other men. I attended a wedding recently where I was best man. I said the obligatory stuff, and blue pill idealism permeated the air. I truly hope things work out for him, but I do have some concerns. Long story short, he is the ideal provider for a single Mom looking to exit the SMP before her SMV plummets. If and when the time comes, I will give him copies of all your books. I have to admit I chuckled inside when I was being lectured to on how I was… Read more »
He literally things tasks and improving his house and back yard deck and landscaping is actually living a life.
Haha this was me before I blew up the ltr 3 years ago. In the middle of a complete kitchen teardown/reno on my farm. The kitchen cabinets still don’t have knobs on them.
I do, however, keep the grass trimmed.
That Deida quote was fitting. These days I just seem to be thinking about another go at my current girl and riding my motorcycle, not in that particular order.
“As for the schlub she left behind, well he’s screwed either way, regardless of what you do. If she isn’t in your bed, she’s in someone else’s, and the impact on schlub is the same. Now, again, you may still decide that you do not want to do that, because it feels wrong to you or something like that, and that’s fine as long as you are doing that realizing that the reason is simply your own will — your decision has zero impact on schlub or on her, because she will easily find another dick where yours would have… Read more »
All my life I thought life only started when you find “your better half”. Needless to say I had miserable teen years, atrocious 20s and finally experienced depression in my 30s due to my anxiety given my belief in the Lonely Old Man myth. Sure I did get girls, from ONS to girlfriends but none of them would stick. Those I wanted would eventually dump me, and those who wanted me did not interest me. I’m good at anything I try my hands on, I learn fast, I am naturally curious and intellectual, yet relationships baffled me. I was at… Read more »
I think young men who are exceptionally good at something are more prone to shithouse marriages if they marry young. Young women see your greatness in xyz but can’t abide how you are human around the house and they can’t handle the reality of you being less then perfect
Now THAT is very wise. I experienced that myself in my first marriage. Very, very true, Ton.
Rollo, I look at what your provide as ‘philosophical wisdom’, albeit dry, but then that is the very strength. Other read pill authors provide ‘juicy’ stuff, again much needed, in this manosphere. Your blogs (and books) have helped me enormously in ways hard to describe in words. Beyond the very subject (Red pill, AF/BB, FI) your forum has acted as magnet for many great analytical, introspective minds and their comments are much ambrosia as your writings. This second aspect has improved my writings, my thinking and has allowed me to stay way from logical fallacies on numerous occasions. Warm regards,… Read more »
Ton Nova
“Young women see your greatness in xyz but can’t abide how you are human around the house”
They always have a plan to channel your strengths towards their goals. You are “fixable”.
@anon: “That isn’t true.”
Exceptional present company excepted, of course. If it makes you feel any better, in the original it was “valet.”
@anon
“No man is a hero to his wife.”
That isn’t true.
he left off “all the time”
@anon
No beta is a hero to his wife, especially if he pedestalizes her or gives her too much attention or trusts her too much or allows her to not mateguard herself.
No greater Beta, Lesser Alpha red pill striver is a hero to his wife (or valet) if he shows butthurt-ness and defends, explains, excuses and rationalizes his behavior. Or lacks assertiveness.
So much cool stuff happened to me because of TRP. This Mon. morning, Mrs. Gamer told me a ten-minute-long story about women with whom she attends classes at church. Not remarkable? Sat. and Sun. she wasn’t even talking to me because I stayed out til nearly 2 a.m. Fri. and Sat. nights. I continued to be affectionate when I gave Mrs. Gamer attention, but returned disinterest with disinterest. I didn’t give Mrs. Gamer much attention Sat. or Sun. This was a demonstration in real life of Red Pill truths about Dread, Frame, and dog training–showing affection, but giving minimal attention… Read more »
Since you asked, here is a copy of a post I made to the red pill subreddit: As a foreward, I would say that I got a copy of NMMNG. While it helped, your book (which came as a follow up recommendation from Amazon) Was like giving air to a drowning man… So here goes: Wow. My red pill story I stumbled on the Red Pill thanks to Amazon’s habit of recommending books based on your current selection. I bought a book called No More Mr Nice Guy after getting tired of years of duty sex despite doing literally everything… Read more »
I shall defer to those who have the personal history as military or law enforcement. But my observation over the years is that it is often the toughest of the tough who fall most completely and abjectly into Beta Chump status. I’m talking about the SEALs, the spooks, the SWAT teams who have had to be as hard as hard gets. They want to put away their hard selves, drop that hard frame. They don’t want to perform that way anymore, they’re done with it. They want to be at peace, and be cared for, appreciated, admired. Do that, and… Read more »
@SJF +1 on getting caught in “do mode”. I just fell into that trap recently putting off my spiritual practice to get shit done. It easy to do, especially when you rationalize that you’ll have more freedom AFTER you “do” whatever. It never works out that way though. Just more shit to do. Speaking of Deida… and my previous comments… If you haven’t transitioned from TRP into spirituality then you haven’t gone deep enough or been honest enough with yourself. Spirituality is the ultimate destination. (I’m not talking about our major religions. They’ve all veered WAY off course. Buddhism is… Read more »
I appreciate the ” destroy your beliefs ” thing up to a certain point. But it’s highly, and I mean HIGHLY dependent on whether or not one has had an assload of false beliefs to begin with. The idea of lecturing to All men that they are all misinformed or are all societal programmed robotic dicks is offensive. Not all men will have the same beliefs. Not All men put so much stock in the material make believe aspects of life. If you bought into that bullshit ( which is your fault at the end of the day ), then… Read more »
Andy, first you have to figure out what’s what, then proceed from there. Philosophy is the method if you want to investigate the nature of reality. If you want to find out what happened in history, you need to get well grounded in epistemology.
My red pill story is a little different. Not very different. I’m a little different than most men. I grew up on a farm 10 miles from town and was alone a lot. If I wanted to do something, I had to teach myself most of the time. That meant books. I have a photographic memory of what I’ve read (or, more importantly, where it is so I can find it again) and have self taught myself everything from how to play tournament poker to how to build bicycle wheels and how to work sheet metal and how to be… Read more »
“I appreciate the ” destroy your beliefs ” thing up to a certain point. But it’s highly, and I mean HIGHLY dependent on whether or not one has had an assload of false beliefs to begin with. The idea of lecturing to All men that they are all misinformed or are all societal programmed robotic dicks is offensive.” @Blax People believe what they want. All beliefs are false. I can see how you could find that offensive, but this isn’t comfortable stuff to deal with. I don’t think that this is for everyone. It’s basically kicking the foundation out from… Read more »
Andy states that one of his beliefs is that “All beliefs are false” lol. Perhaps kfg or someone can string it along better than I with a socratic approach to help suss out what you mean. Reality/truth/faith/belief are more intertwined that you give credit for. We are subjective beings and sometimes *truth* can vary from individual to individual. Blax had a good response that added the nuance I thought you meant to include. Apparently you didn’t agree. Okay, but you’ll need more than assertions to make it stick around here. And finding dissonance with your assertions is not proof of… Read more »
Thanks Novaseeker. I always figured that was fairly universal and part of why older man/ younger girl works so well. As a young man I excelled at riding fast, shooting straight, drinking an ungodly amount of whiskey and starting bar fights and struggled with more mundane shit like preparing my bike or house. Now I am a fair hand at all that stuff and The Girls really dig it.
“All beliefs are false”
Or so you believe.
The Fred Flange Story is the Morpheus Story is the Deti Story is the Dave Story is the Looking For Zion Story and to a limited degree even the famous M3 “12 Years an Incel” Story etc. etc. A few years back, after prior bouts of serious enthusiastic fucking, behold, a dying bedroom. Due to a few things, like some family stuff, life changes and such. Flailed about like AFC’s do, trying to figure out what went wrong and why choreplay didn’t work. Why supplicating didn’t work. Why being emotionally open didn’t work. While couples all around were breaking up… Read more »
2+2 equals whatever the hell I tell it to equal ; )
That is it in a nutshell Fred. It requires an unbelievable amount of work and confilct to operate at that level and when you get home you want peace, a piece and a beer. Also any DV allegations are meet with an extra set of laws to fuck your life up with plus there is a large amount of propaganda aimed at wives telling them how much harder their life is then the service members and the long shift work/ deployments give them extra opportunity I have never intentionally banged another man’s wife, but it has happened especially when I… Read more »
My spirituality. Partly. And I don’t need to speak softly or wear a V-neck. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8rHXcLJoM&w=854&h=480%5D ” People believe what they want. All beliefs are false. I can see how you could find that offensive, but this isn’t comfortable stuff to deal with. I don’t think that this is for everyone. It’s basically kicking the foundation out from under you. It can seem extremely painful, and for someone your age and with all the positive feedback you get from society… probably even worse. But the reality is that if you find it offensive… That’s the proof. That’s where you need… Read more »
I believe a 7.62×51 to the apricot will send you to the long list nap every time
I failed a philosophy class becuase the hippie as teacher was one of those all beliefs are false sort but he wouldn’t agree to me smashing his head in with a hammer to test if he was truly mortal or not.
Hard to be more useless then a philosophy fag
@Andy
It’s basically kicking the foundation out from under you.
If the foundation is laid properly, all you’ll get is a sore toe. If the rains come and the foundation doesn’t move, the foundation has been laid properly.
Philosophy requires that we test propositions thoroughly. Testing is the key. Testing reveals faults and weaknesses. I’m not a proponent of Kierkegaard’s Leap of Faith ™.
“All beliefs are false”
Recursion: See recursion.
Behind the false facade is the real facade. Behind the real facade is the ordinary. If you’re expecting something else you’re just setting yourself up for disappointment.
If you can turn disappointment to disillusionment, you might get somewhere.
@Ton
I failed a philosophy class becuase the hippie as teacher was one of those all beliefs are false sort but he wouldn’t agree to me smashing his head in with a hammer to test if he was truly mortal or not.
I heard a similar story about two brothers arguing about reality on the schoolbus. One of them was punching the other in the arm and asking him if his arm was real or not.
There’s academic bullshit philosophy and then there’s practical philosophy that gives you actionable items.
“Andy states that one of his beliefs is that “All beliefs are false” lol. ” ““All beliefs are false” Or so you believe.” Kind of proves the point doesn’t it? Anyway, there’s belief and there’s knowledge. Your mind creates beliefs to uphold your self image and your world view. You need to start asking yourself “Is this REALLY true? Or is this something I just tell myself?” Eventually you’ll have the realization that you are not your mind… Who you are is beyond your mind. That’s when you’ll KNOW that no belief is true. Then you can start sorting out… Read more »
“Kind of proves the point doesn’t it?”
No. It refutes it. Logic 101 fail.
This’ll bake your noodle
http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/09/06/492779594/what-if-evolution-bred-reality-out-of-us
” Your mind creates beliefs to uphold your self image and your world view ”
Some people do this.
“Is this REALLY true? Or is this something I just tell myself?”
Some people figured this out very early in life. Question everything…. until you figure shit out.
” Then you can start sorting out what’s true and what’s false, and why you want it to be true…”
Truth is truth is truth, regardless to how anyone feels about it.
Truth is truth is truth, regardless to how anyone feels about it.
Blax
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Legit
Andy, you sound like you just read a book that you don’t quite understand but want folks to think you’ve now ‘got it’ and can now set others straight about beliefs and truths.
So far, the only thing you’ve said that remotely makes sense is when you recommend “don’t listen to me.”
But you are holding frame well. That’s a good start.
LOL and damn!
http://www.seacampion.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/gee-love-guru-quotes-you-are-simple-gold-brown-bear-impressive-personalized-creative-hair-long.jpg
lol nice gamer!
I would say there is philosophy and then there is truth and wisdom
@ Ton
Exactly. For my money ( and time ) , I’ll take Truth and Wisdom for 500 Alex….
Recursion. Lol.
Not to start a religion deal but that is why I have always been a fan of Proverbs and the Stoics. Real do this, don’t do that, be this, don’t be that nuts and bolts sort of deal.
“Some people figured this out very early in life. Question everything…. until you figure shit out.”
Yeah, you have a lot of shit figured out. But not everything. You’re rankle-able. Pretty easily rankle-able. If you were who you think you are you wouldn’t be rankle-able at all.
Your blog / TRP pulled me out of a 2 year depression.
@Lifer, I’m glad it helped. Hope you’re doing well.
@ Andy
Lol. You don’t get me at all. I’m not ” rankled ” at all.
That’s what you Believe .:
All this don’t drink the coolaid Andy. Sjf’s neighbor lives to close to Gladys Cravats.
When I read this I couldn’t pin it to left or right,probably left as they are self defeating.It does mention Sandburg as a thought leader,not a realist.
https://newrepublic.com/article/143004/rise-thought-leader-how-superrich-funded-new-class-intellectual