@john q shaft June 29th, 2016 at 8:28 am The psychology behind the Taylor Swift lyrics for Wild At Heart are that women evolutionarily want the alpha genes. And they know that after they get the alpha male, the next step in manipulation of that male is to tame him and betatize him. And when they accomplish betatization, they are left with: boredom. Taylor Swift knows this instinctively, so she puts her Alpha out of reach and unobtainable. That way she doesn’t lose her lust for him. Compare to the female artist’s song song lyrics “In Sleep” by Lissie. “I… Read more »
Andy
7 years ago
“So it is true for me. And of course I’m not willing to drop these standard golden-rule-type suite of convictions, just because some within redpill may counsel that …” @theman Faulty logic. Women don’t want to be treated as you would want to be treated. You need to apply the golden rule differently. You’re not doing women any favors by denying them the chance to get to know you, or have sex with you. It isn’t that big of a deal. If it ends it ends, it can suck but that’s just life. Hopefully you add value and improve their… Read more »
SJF
7 years ago
That was weird, editing by telepathy. @Culum, Word is in the review of the Carol Dweck book is that if you agree with the premise of the first chapter, they you can stop reading the rest of the book. A lot of those books in that link don’t have to be actually read. In the old days we actually had to read the book, today with the internet, you can learn a lot just by searching their content and ruminating. The Talent Code is great, I saved time on reading that by reading the Little Book of Talent, which was… Read more »
The Man
7 years ago
SJF – you know the funny thing about Taylor Swift and Katy Perry and the like – much of the material is written by some heavy-hitter Swedish and Norwegian music producers (who are actually the ones probably more-so shaping the cultural memes around this catchy drivel). But it sells – and that’s the point I guess. Feedback loops man – sometimes these feedback loops are perverse for no other reason than it pays by way of dinero.
@The Man “why is it ironclad? Cause it has been well tested, man, and found to be worthy” Guess how you test your confidence in talking to girls. You talk to girls. ” ……. by what dynamic does this happen?” Infield experience instead of mental masturbation. “by way of forming some strong convictions that inform his behavior,” Guess how you form those. Talking to girls and putting yourself in social situations and learning what your convictions are. You are trying to promote the idea that everyone just sit and home and “think” their way into strong convictions. You are a… Read more »
The Man
7 years ago
Andy: “Faulty logic. Women don’t want to be treated as you would want to be treated. You need to apply the golden rule differently. You’re not doing women any favors by denying them the chance to get to know you, or have sex with you. It isn’t that big of a deal. If it ends it ends, it can suck but that’s just life. Hopefully you add value and improve their lives along the way. Look at it like that.” Well of course I realize that. You can’t actually practice the golden rule convictions if you don’t seek the other… Read more »
having a bad day
7 years ago
@Blaximus So, if a man calls himself an astronaut, yet never left earth’s atmosphere, is he really an astronaut? Or is he in effect, an astroNaught? @ Sentient ” If a virgin man has sex with a prostitute is he a man or not?” Depends. If the prostitute’s name is Mark, then no, it doesn’t count. lol… @Blax @kfg @ kfg Precisely. I dig that. i’m pretty sure you know it’s yeats…lol… (though it does sound like it could be kfg original…lol) but for pedantic thoroughness…lol… (and plus i really like it…lol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_(poem) Turning and turning in the widening gyre… Read more »
So what I left unsaid wrt my above comment to you is that the reason I see that redpill does not actually offer any escape from this dynamic of having one’s cognitive/emotional resources to be called upon,
Your resources will only be called upon if you want to accomplish something. That can be avoided. Not totally. But enough to keep you from being taxed by tasks.
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Culum Struan
7 years ago
@SJF – I’ve read Franco’s Practical Female Psychology but not the other book. And I don’t know this Shark guy at all – will check it out. PS – I like reading whole books. Not because it is necessary – you can get the content in other ways, but because reading the whole thing gives my mind more time to process it and think about it and gain insight while reading the whole thing (as opposed to the Cliff’s Notes version). Same reason it’s useful to watch pickup infield videos or RSD teaching videos – it’s not like I don’t… Read more »
scray
7 years ago
@theMan no i don’t agree with that. mastery of the game is THE FIRST, NECESSARY STEP to becoming a full-fledged man. makes it hard for me to believe you can slay hot chicks at will. are you not familiar with how that makes you feel as a man? a guy who is fucking multiple hot women has an almost tangible aura about them. it lifts you up to a higher plane of your personal existence as a man. you start reaching further and further. getting women is primarily about self-belief. and with self-belief, you reach out and make that stuff… Read more »
kfg
7 years ago
How many conviction tensegrities can dance on the head of The Secret?
@Junior All we can do is try to warn them, cross our fingers, and then be there for them if it all falls apart to help with the recovery. It’s brutal though, like watching lambs head off to the slaughter. @SJF @Blaximus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjww638BM8 Tyler has a better speech in Blueprint where he talks about happiness just being your DEFAULT state instead of needing justification for it. Happiness is a choice. Those poor-ass tribes in Africa still sing and dance and laugh even though their life looks shitty compared to ours. Little kids run around smiling and laughing even if they’re… Read more »
What most people leave out in the study of tensegrity is the islands of compression. Compression and tension have to balance if you want stability.
Tension is easy. It self aligns. Compression not so much.
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The Man
7 years ago
Yareally – Jeez man – mental masturbator – OK – if you say so – I can wear that badge if you want ……. masturbation, or self-gratification feels good, doing the self-gratification wrt the the use of the cognitive apparatus can also feel good. You do know there is an emotional component to cognition – right? Like why do you think you obtain personal positive feedback when pondering things and applying logic to the data of your life circumstances – because it feels good when you get it right dammit – otherwise why wouldn’t do it – right? Why do… Read more »
If you only deal with your circumstances you have insufficient data.
In my opinion you are a poseur. My experience matches the various Alphas who post here. OTOH every thing you post is precessional. Ninety degrees out of phase. Either you are in a different universe or you are in error.
BTW I lived in Buck’s dome in Carbondale for two weeks. Back around ’73 or ’74.
In fact my access to Bucky’s dome is one of the things that convinced the LTR to give me a try. We are still together. I made no commitment of exclusivity.
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Sentient
7 years ago
HABD come now HABD… you know that looks do “matter”… scray yeah that’s why I hate dressing up and looking too well, it really just changes the game. like, if i look schlubby and hide my body under clothes that are a little loose, then I feel like I can move off the radar and pull more shit with a wider variety of girls. but if I’m all maxed out, I pretty much can only have fun with the 8+ girls because the 6-8’s just think I’m too high value. that DOES happen. girls can think you are TOO GOOD… Read more »
mastery of the game is THE FIRST, NECESSARY STEP to becoming a full-fledged man. makes it hard for me to believe you can slay hot chicks at will. are you not familiar with how that makes you feel as a man? a guy who is fucking multiple hot women has an almost tangible aura about them. it lifts you up to a higher plane of your personal existence as a man. you start reaching further and further. getting women is primarily about self-belief. and with self-belief, you reach out and make that stuff concrete. This. Story time: Between the ages… Read more »
scribblerg
7 years ago
@Emily – I, for one, take no pleasure at your travails. It seemed that you were making a legit attempt at a more traditional relationship, but the world didn’t allow that to happen. I found myself in a similar situation when married – I played “the good man” and dutiful husband/father, but the world simply spit in my face for doing that. I hope some prayerful reflection helps you figure your next course. I think you may want to consider a man about 10-15 years your senior, who is accomplished and has a life is someone you could respect and… Read more »
The Man
7 years ago
YaReally – OK your latest comment and your sentiment wrt me in general – I’ll come back – I gotta go do things now. But suffice to say for now, that I sense where there may be misunderstandings we may be having wrt differing perspectives:
– I am not giving anybody any advice on pua nor is that my intention – so that is not my perspective
– there is another layer of reality below what you are perceiving, wrt the man/woman thing. I am speaking about that. It is pertinent nevertheless.
@TheConfusedMan And of course I’m not willing to drop these standard golden-rule-type suite of convictions, just because some within redpill may counsel that Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” I care more about being treated with respect than being liked because…I’m a man. So I treat women respectfully, but with dislike because they are bitchy or skanks. Women hate that. They’d much rather be liked than respected. So I misapply the Golden Rule. Women aren’t like men in many ways. Your application of the Golden Rule is faulty. You have to apply the… Read more »
@scribbler on autopilot Stop “dating” boys, in other words to reach her you need to reference her peer group, world famous dating expert, branch swinger, and cat owner Taylor Swift: “I was thinking about this — boys only want love if it’s torture and a constant chase. Men want love if it’s real, right, healthy and consistent. Any girl who’s really thought a lot about romance and relationships and break-ups has determined that the male species has divided into two groups — and it’s boys and men. You can have a 40-year-old boy and a 20-year-old man — it depends… Read more »
@The Man “why the doubling down on the outrage?” Because I have low tolerance for deliberately stupid people. Nothing you’re saying is based on anything except your biased warped personal anecdotes. What we’re saying is backed by YEARS and hundreds of thousands of guys’ experiences. When enough people tell you you’re drunk, hand them your car keys. “and you seem to be freaking out here. Why?” Because I have low tolerance for deliberately stupid people. “I think you probably agree with me too – right? So what gives?” I don’t agree with you. The order goes “develop confidence in talking… Read more »
@YaReally, oh I’m aware that was Game. It was learned by trial and error, but it got to the point that it was a passive aspect to my personality. Just not fucking it up is a form of Game. My point was that once your get past that state of scarcity and the expectation of abundance becomes part of who you are you can’t help but be changed by it. Wild Man seems to believe change comes from some process of internalization, and while it might start there, real change comes through externalization. If it doesn’t challenge you it doesn’t… Read more »
Andy
7 years ago
“Now ….. that means I got some knowledge they don’t have, and I can’t really give that knowledge to them. What this ends up eventually meaning is …….. if things don’t end on their terms …… they are going to end up feeling disrespected.” @theman So, maybe you aren’t compatible with some chick… How do you know that without having sex with her? Would you feel respected if you weren’t compatible with some girl and she just stayed with you anyway? Even though she wasn’t in to you? Awww damn… You walked into a logic trap. “– if you think… Read more »
@gb_hill aka I_hate_RSD lol, dude, I open women all the time during the day. It’s really easy, actually, if you just think that you are entitled to women’s attention simply because you’re a man. I reentered a store to reopen a girl from last week and she lit up when she saw me and leaned towards me over the counter. Um, DayGame is sooo tough. Another broad was checking me out at Panera’s and I caught her and also caught her eye and smirked at her and she got all shy, lol. A few decades ago, I saw a woman… Read more »
SJF
7 years ago
From The Black Flag by Shark TL;DR……External game and internal game are but two sides of the same coin. The holy grail of both journeys is identical. This does not contradict what YaReally and Rollo just stated because of the existence of a feedback loop: The resources that great external game gives a man strengthens the internal game. Naturals don’t always need to start with external game (because, well, they have it naturally), but non-naturals get a tremendous resource from great external game and that allows great internal game. This is what Julien was explaining in his Ten Game Livestream… Read more »
Sentient
7 years ago
Yareally
heh… Yup the act of “putting together a killer outfit” is all about those subcoms…
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Dave: “hey man…. that sub com is you! You’ll get some leg tonight for sure! Tell us how you do! ”
Guy: “Come on Dave, give me a break”
Dave: “Hey Hey Hey Hey One break… Coming up!”
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redlight
7 years ago
now lets translate Taylor Swift above from Hamster to Man, by using Google translate: “I was thinking about this — betas only get sex if it’s torture and a constant chase. Alphas want sex and relationships that’s right for them. Any girl who’s really thought a lot about sex and relationships has determined that the male species has divided into two groups — and it’s betas and alphas. You can have a 40-year-old beta and a 20-year-old alpha — it depends on their emotional DNA. I think it’s important to be able to have sex without there being a relationship… Read more »
@Sentient
“heh… Yup the act of “putting together a killer outfit” is all about those subcoms…”
Hey look at that, you’re finally learning! I agree, the act of thinking “I am confident enough to wear something that will draw attention to me and don’t fear the attention, the social pressure of people paying attention to me and judging me” and inviting that social pressure/attention/judgement from others on yourself IS an attractive subcomm.
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Sentient
7 years ago
I agree, the act of thinking “I am confident enough to wear something that will draw attention to me and don’t fear the attention, the social pressure of people paying attention to me and judging me” and inviting that social pressure/attention/judgement from others on yourself IS an attractive subcomm.
Because we are socially conditioned to put value on looks, the exact same way the flat-head tribe is socially conditioned to put value on flat-heads.
But you didn’t understand it the first time we went ’round this merry-go-round so why would you understand it now.
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SJF
7 years ago
Rollo: “I rarely had to apply myself” YaReally: CONSCIOUSLY apply yourself. You WERE applying yourself, you just weren’t consciously aware of all the subcomms you were demonstrating. “If I ran into resistance I had so many standbys I rarely dealt with it.” This is game. Perhaps Rollo was inferring that he had few fears and the hurdles (resistance) were low. It was contextual alpha and he wasn’t Domain Dependent. Perhaps YaReally is saying that if men do have those fears and high hurdles a man should move forward with aggressive aggressiveness (good Game) rather than passive aggressiveness. (Another passage from… Read more »
@SJF, I definitely had fears and setbacks at first. The story I related was when I’d gotten to the passively internalized Alpha state, not the journey up to it. And that state is exactly as YaReally describes it: the expectation that you will be interpreted as Alpha, as high value, etc. subconsciously manifests in your behavior, your speech, your presentation, even Game applications like Amused Mastery flow from that preknowledge. This was one reason I took to PUA when I first encountered it from the old guys in 2002. I’d already been Gaming from a long time before, it just… Read more »
@Sentient
Weird how The Bachelorette even HAS guys get disqualified. Let alone hordes of girls all liking/hating specific guys on the show across the board. I mean, they’re all good-looking rich dudes, so really girls should just want to fuck all of them equally and not disqualify or hate any of them. I mean, why would they all like or dislike specific guys, why would the Bachelorette bother choosing between any of them with any conviction? I mean, what would any of those women base their selection on…some kind of mythical subcomms YaReally made up?
Is Santa on this season, someone fill me in. Otherwise i do not see Jonah Hill or Mikey Cera competing here? Funny that.
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scray
7 years ago
@Sentient
come now HABD… you know that looks do “matter”…
this stupid shit again…
no one said looks didn’t matter
the debate is WHY do looks matter
and honestly I don’t give a shit if you guys get it or not
go forward and think that your looks matter because of some innate nonsense. it’s just going to stunt your game anyway.
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scray
7 years ago
@all and no, since i have to fucking REPEAT IT AGAIN FOR THE SLOW the reason LOOKS CHANGE THE GAME has a) nothing to do with ME and b) EVERYTHING to do with social conditioning the game changes because when I wear X suit, now suddenly people completely change their expectations of who I am and what I’m doing and my value now, could i rewire their expectations there through more personality-based demonstrations? yes. it would just take a little bit of time or my approach would have to be a little different. it’s CALIBRATION it’s KNOWING HOW YOU ARE… Read more »
hank holiday
7 years ago
burnt out on all my venues now so… take a break… lol… nobody is going to fire you if you ‘don’t show up’…lol… just focus on some other aspect of moving forward toward your goals… nope. can’t do that. its like trying to go back to being blue pill once you are red pill aware. now that i have started to actually do game, can’t just turn it off. If I can go out and practice consistantly, then I am okay even if I’m not at the point of makeouts or sex. but i can’t stand just sitting aroun din… Read more »
Sentient
7 years ago
Scray
“the game changes because when I wear X suit, now suddenly people completely change their expectations of who I am and what I’m doing and my value”
Exactly… It really doesn’t matter why… you can cling to social conditioning… or evo bio… or whatever… but it is real, demonstrable, repeatable phenomena.
Understand this… and profit from it.
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Sentient
7 years ago
Scray
“when I wear X suit, now suddenly people completely change their expectations of who I am and what I’m doing and my value””
If people’s perception of your value is changed by how you look… please let’s not see “looks don’t matter”: posted here ever again.
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hank holiday
7 years ago
lololol @Sentient If people’s perception of your value is changed by how you look… please let’s not see “looks don’t matter”: posted here ever again. becuase, the whenever a girl sees a gay she’s is attracted to, she INSTANTLY bangs him. There TOTALLY isn’t a series of shit tests or anything. lol, if girls are attracted to a guy because of a particular look, its becuase that look reperesents certain high value attributes but , , , he still has to ACTUALLY display those attributes. If he fails the shit tests, he won’t get shit, whereas in reverse, a guy… Read more »
stuffinbox
7 years ago
@ Hank
By all means If your tired get some rest.Whatever you do don’t sit on the pity pot it will put a black ring around your ass in milliseconds.Don’t have much to say about the job prospects except,California,Florida,and all up and down the Rockies fn boomtimes.Idk baby boomer retirement areas are heating up,at any rate all these are nice places to be.
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Sentient
7 years ago
Hank
I forgot… you are an expert… please continue.
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hank holiday
7 years ago
@stuffinbox
always write what i feel. makes the good times that much better when i can read where I came from. and it helps put me in a logical mode where i can determine my next steps.
@sentient
I forgot… you are an expert
you’re goddamn right
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scray
7 years ago
@sentient Understand this… and profit from it. it’s not whatever and you aren’t understanding anything if you don’t know why looks have the effect they have. looks mattering in the way i say they do is what allows someone to take a jacked dude who starts off at a 9 in a girl’s eyes and pull him down to like a 5 based off of associating his prime source of initial value with a DLV — being insecure, not being able to eat anything real, being vain like a girl. that’s why it works. norm X has just been conditioned… Read more »
@Rollo “but it got to the point that it was a passive aspect to my personality. Just not fucking it up is a form of Game.” Right, that’s all I’m pointing out. Naturals describing their pickups and newbies watching Naturals have a tendency to go “He didn’t even DO anything!!” which is how we guys end up looking for externals that fit their socially conditioned value system to explain it “It MUST be his (looks/money/race/clothes/etc)” and end up perpetuating limiting beliefs. It’s important to understand that we have to look deeper than the surface level. “My point was that once… Read more »
Way too many men marry, become disillusioned, then transfer all that disillusionment into new hope with baby princess. Please stop doing that. I know it’s difficult. Of course your daughter is the very bestest female in all the universe but…
YaReally – hey – you were one of those OCD-prone dudes that had your shit all up in an knot about your self-esteem, then you had your epiphany … so now you can be the OCD-prone dude that has “seen the light”……. but you still got your OCD deal – right?
It’s OK – a kinda like the OCD crowd. Just sayin.
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Sentient
7 years ago
Yareally ““lol but the technical point is that looks don’t matter in and of themselves” This. But this keeps flying over Sentient’s head and has been since day one of the discussion. I have to just assume he’s purposely ducking at this point.” There is nothing to duck from my point of view. I never suggested that “looks don’t matter in an of themselves” i.e. would solely get bang… [interesting to note though the perpetual use of further ad hoc micro definitions and semantic play]. I’ve always OBSERVED that girls are attracted to conventional good looks. Full stop. That does… Read more »
having a bad day
7 years ago
@hank nope. can’t do that. its like trying to go back to being blue pill once you are red pill aware. now that i have started to actually do game, can’t just turn it off. If I can go out and practice consistantly, then I am okay even if I’m not at the point of makeouts or sex. but i can’t stand just sitting aroun din limbo — i won’t be able to just “do something else” welcome to game ‘addiction’…lol… and that’s a great attitude to have… an d I am already working on other stuff. I have been… Read more »
do you have some kind of FUN everyday?… i’ve found that is important for me to maintain my attitude…
and if you have a good attitude, fun will find you, strangely enough…
FR
I went to a board game meetup and didn’t game any girls…none I wanted to…was chatting with a buddy by my truck and a random guy came by and invited us to a party at a bar and we went there and chatted up a couple of girls and gamed them.
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Blaximus
7 years ago
Subcomms. Since I’ve been made aware of social conditioning ( h/t scray and YaReally ), I have been much more thoughtful and observant, and mine eyes have been opened to phenomenon that I’d never really thought about or paid attention to. Fascinating shit. But lol on subcomms. I 100% believe in subcomms, but again, I have a blindspot in understanding what subs I may project or possess. It will take more self reflection and understanding, which is good for me. Quick story from 1991 or so. I was walking in NYC and ran into ( almost literally ) Denzel Washington… Read more »
hank holiday
7 years ago
@yareally @habd lol nah, you can’t go suicidal now that you know the red pill. Blue Pill is about not understanding the world enough to see any way out of a situation… Its not an issue that just popped up — that was most of my twenties. Just trying to get through to te next day. Only recently go out of that situation, but still often feel like just keeping my head above water So it wasn’t just triggered by a bad night out — think people may have misunderstood that — its an ongoing thing now for going on… Read more »
scray
7 years ago
@sentient hat “looks don’t matter in an of themselves” i.e. would solely get bang… that is NOT the i.e. that is NOT the “in other words.” that is something TOTALLY DIFFERENT (the idea that looks alone get the bang). here is what I am saying —> there is nothing FIXED about any particular LOOK that is 100% attractive at all times and totally untethered to norms. of course the REASON why looks ALONE do NOT get the bang is PRECISELY because of what we are saying….over time, negative norms can become associated with someone’s look he has a whole closet… Read more »
The Man
7 years ago
Look guys – female attraction for the masculine – we all know it’s all about the confidence – right?. It’s whatever signals confidence. There are a million tells. Looks can be a tell (until it isn’t) etc. etc. etc. Subcomm can be a better tell (until you happen to fuck that up) etc. etc. etc.
This is just so fucking obvious. Except the women can’t explain it to you cause they don’t know how to explain it.
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hank holiday
7 years ago
@culum @yareally @habd was a diner place. saw girl there, so opened. just short chat, wasn’t really sure what to say. interesting thing was i opened on wrong body language for a change. was facing her full on, as opposed to normally when I approach her from an angle and talk over my shoulder a bit. of course, almost as soon as I opened her, she took a step back. I steped forward as well, not getting any closer, just keeping the same distance. seemed like the right thing to do — had the cnvo gone on a bit longer,… Read more »
hank holiday
7 years ago
huh. just realized that I can make up where I work, but intentially pick a specific job to lead into sexualizing.
like I just made up the bar bit on the fly, don’t work at one, but that just occurred to me I could plan that out more in advance.
a more neutral one anyway. i’ve got the male stripper bit, but that is a bit much to bring up for me in most situ right now.
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hank holiday
7 years ago
And is it just me, or have the fags just burst out of the woodwork?
I have seen SO MANY flamers recently its ridiculous.
guess i could always just be gay lol.
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having a bad day
7 years ago
@theasdgamer @HABD do you have some kind of FUN everyday?… i’ve found that is important for me to maintain my attitude… and if you have a good attitude, fun will find you, strangely enough… yep, i’ve found that’s true, too… lol… everybody loves ‘the FUN'(tm)…lol… and wants some part of it… but i’ve noticed that it’s actually pretty rare ‘in the wild’… most peeps are pretty grim mostly… lol… like they don’t really have ‘permission’ to have it… lol… but that’s just the social conditioning in play… so ‘the FUN'(tm) pings as a big ass DHV!!… lol… good luck! —————-… Read more »
hank holiday
7 years ago
can you get another job to get more hours/experience? what steps to take to get benefits for your health issues?… have you done that, yet? always working on that stuff behind the scenes, just don’t always bring it up in FRS could you start your own biz?… it’s maybe not as easy if you are not in that ‘start up’ culture/environment, but it’s still doable… nah, that’s for when I move. too much time and money to do, when I could put that towards working/saving to move and working on game. you might have to step up as a leader… Read more »
Blaximus
7 years ago
@ hank ” And is it just me, or have the fags just burst out of the woodwork?” Lmfao. Now, now. That language mister!! They are ” gay ” and a part of the LBGT community. They just had a huge parade in NYC recently. For the record, IDGAF what people decide to do sexually. It is absolutely none of my business at all. I’ve had a few men friends that were gay, and multiple lesbian and bisexual chicks as friends and sometimes more. But lately, things seem to be getting out of hand. It makes me suspicious. I have… Read more »
Blaximus
7 years ago
@ HABD ” HEY! what about ME?… lol…” Lol, my bad. And HABD also. Re: The work ” outfit “, ha ha ha.. it was just better functioning and comfortable. The reaction from females just seemed odd. But now in hindsight, lol I guess I did appear to be almost wearing a character costume at the time. And you’re correct. My boy Tony teasing me went in one ear and out the other. It was good hearted ribbing. But, his sister liked the look too. And I’ve had the pleasure of meeting an assload of celebs in my lifetime. Sometimes… Read more »
@Blaximus “It is encouraged today. So yeah hank, I am seeing what you are seeing. Yeah, shit is changing. No, it doesn’t bode well for our population.” “It” is a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator of a society in decline. It is a non-patriarchal indicator of a a matriarchal descent into a society that has too much. The Bonobo Masturbation society http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2012/07/everyone-a-harlot/ Bonobos live luxuriously, with access to as much food as they need. Female coalitions check male aggression, and males rarely form tight-knit groups. Males don’t know who their fathers are, only their mothers. Sex is, as a… Read more »
SJF
7 years ago
@YaReally Understand that I am not going back and forth with you to argue to win a point or win an argument. I’ve learned and grown an incredible amount by going back and forth with you and Scray. I even have in mind to enumerate what I have learned from you guys in just three short months. Understand that it is to learn and illustrate things. To say that argument was fun. I learned something. I think it is great. That link to Jack Donovan’s essay also contained the the following quote. If you actually take what us old guys… Read more »
And is it just me, or have the fags just burst out of the woodwork?
I have seen SO MANY flamers recently its ridiculous.
guess i could always just be gay lol.
I am in trendy areas frequently and see crossdressers, etc. quite a bit. Occasionally I get hit on by gays. That used to bother me but not anymore.
I have never felt a need to say #nohomo in any posts.
No, Blax, I won’t fall for that dropping-a-quarter trick a second time.
lol
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Culum Struan
7 years ago
Guys I just read a fantastic new book by Sebastian Junger which I think has a lot of relevance to the discussion here – all about male bonding, male place in society and male groups – it’s called Tribe. Sebastian Junger is the journalist who wrote Perfect Storm – the book that later became a George Clooney movie, but he’s also a well known war correspondent (Bosnia, Afghanistan etc). The new book is short – you can read it in a couple of hours, but for those who want the even quicker version (YaReally I’m looking at you), it’s an… Read more »
^ What every unattractive person tells themselves.
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SJF
7 years ago
@Culum Struan Wow. Great book. I just read half of it. @I hope @The Man doesn’t read it. He might start justifying egalitarianism once again. The type of egalitarianism that does exist in small tribes, but does not exist in large formed societies. Tribalism is a way to regain mans humanity. A further reason for a bottoms-up approach to one man’s self improvement and also the manosphere’s cause collectively. A couple excerpts that modern society, including our own current declining society isolates individual persons rather than unites them in a common cause, and this is contradictory to how the human… Read more »
Andy
7 years ago
“A couple excerpts that modern society, including our own current declining society isolates individual persons rather than unites them in a common cause”
I think this is why post apocalyptic tv shows like The Walking Dead are so popular. Our current society has drifted so far from our basic nature and people are just tired of pretending to be what they’re not.
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redlight
7 years ago
this thread is interesting in advance of Rollo writing about “great experiences” https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4qppet/shallitinders_advice_for_all_guys_in_their_20s/ In a comment there: “The 30s are no place to build a career from scratch.” As a mid 30s guy building his career the last couple of years, I’m echoing this sentiment. I discovered PUA when I was about 22 and let the pursuit of women completely take over my life for about the next 6-7 years. It ate up a majority of my 20s. Next thing I knew, I was 31 and working at a job that paid 1 dollar an hour more than what I… Read more »
Push ups are less important for dieting than push aways.
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Sentient
7 years ago
Redlight I’m cool with red pill being descriptive but it has a fuck long way to go at being better at prescriptive So towards that end… and along the theme of not wasting your 20’s… 1. Avoid debt [yes even college loans… debt is the snare to a half lived live. Absent debt you are free to go and seek as you please. Keep that monkey off your back] 2. Handle your game and women issues in high school [this is the time to devote to game understanding [sperg warning – NOT video games]… and work through initial sexual and… Read more »
SJF
7 years ago
Good comment Sentient Your link to that Comment of the Week gave me an intro to an excerpt that that I found in the “Tribe” book by Sebastian Junger that Culum cited. The COTW below yours last year at Heartiste was: The New Heresy, twatting on Twatter, wins the COTW consolation prize. What does it mean to be white? To construct a civilization whose decline is marked by outgroup altruism and ingroup malice. The best shivs get to the point. The following is a stand alone thought separate from the current discussion line. It is in regards to military veterans… Read more »
Culum Struan
7 years ago
@SJF – that’s incredibly fast work to get through the book so quickly. Are you reading on a Kindle and marking passages of interest? Because otherwise I don’t see how you’re producing excerpts so quickly..
Also, if you’re interested Junger has done a long podcast interview with Tim Ferriss where he talks a lot more about the book and about his background as well. It’s a little repetitive if you’ve read the book, but I still enjoyed it.
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Traveler
7 years ago
“You look like you could stand to lose a few hundred pound, trollol”
If I lost a hundred pounds I would literally not exist
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SJF
7 years ago
@Culum Struan LOL. First off, yes I am fast at assimilating information and curating it in my own mind and then trying to add value to the discussions here. A long time ago in my education, I learned how to read books the old fashioned way–by just reading them, understanding as I go along and fit the information into abstract thinking. All this red pill manosphere information in the last three years has led me to actually now be able to express my mind a lot better, even if I do cheat and curate and cut and paste stuff. I… Read more »
SJF
7 years ago
Gosh. I’m shaking my head. With all this blog has to offer it becomes clearer to me every two weeks that life for a man is actually not actually as tough as we individual men make it out to be. Yeah, earlier in the day I read Tribes by Sebastian Younger from cover to cover. I then went and did a consult and several skin biopsies at the hospital, a good long drive from my place, as the staff consultant in my specialty. These on call days used to suck. I remember how hard that was in the old days.… Read more »
We know why the window closes around age 30. Endocannabinoid production has been declining since age 25 or so.
We knew this instinctively in the 60s. “Don’t trust anyone over 30.” I turned 30 in 1974. We now know the science of it. Well those who study it do. The general population is still ignorant.
[…] can look at a mother of 4 living in a suburban house and feel for her like you do a chemo victim (Princess Experience), well “fuck you forever until you rot in hell” just isn’t strong […]
[…] start. In MM terms it means that I’m always starting from A3, and then jump right into C1. Here is a breakdown of Krauser’s game by YaReally on RM, and it seems I’m just doing the […]
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SJF
6 years ago
Found this on an old blog: The Last Psychiatrist. I wish I had started reading manophere blogs back in the 2012’s:
What’s Wrong With The Hunger Games Is What No One Noticed
@john q shaft June 29th, 2016 at 8:28 am The psychology behind the Taylor Swift lyrics for Wild At Heart are that women evolutionarily want the alpha genes. And they know that after they get the alpha male, the next step in manipulation of that male is to tame him and betatize him. And when they accomplish betatization, they are left with: boredom. Taylor Swift knows this instinctively, so she puts her Alpha out of reach and unobtainable. That way she doesn’t lose her lust for him. Compare to the female artist’s song song lyrics “In Sleep” by Lissie. “I… Read more »
“So it is true for me. And of course I’m not willing to drop these standard golden-rule-type suite of convictions, just because some within redpill may counsel that …” @theman Faulty logic. Women don’t want to be treated as you would want to be treated. You need to apply the golden rule differently. You’re not doing women any favors by denying them the chance to get to know you, or have sex with you. It isn’t that big of a deal. If it ends it ends, it can suck but that’s just life. Hopefully you add value and improve their… Read more »
That was weird, editing by telepathy. @Culum, Word is in the review of the Carol Dweck book is that if you agree with the premise of the first chapter, they you can stop reading the rest of the book. A lot of those books in that link don’t have to be actually read. In the old days we actually had to read the book, today with the internet, you can learn a lot just by searching their content and ruminating. The Talent Code is great, I saved time on reading that by reading the Little Book of Talent, which was… Read more »
SJF – you know the funny thing about Taylor Swift and Katy Perry and the like – much of the material is written by some heavy-hitter Swedish and Norwegian music producers (who are actually the ones probably more-so shaping the cultural memes around this catchy drivel). But it sells – and that’s the point I guess. Feedback loops man – sometimes these feedback loops are perverse for no other reason than it pays by way of dinero.
Max Martin (Swedish) and others:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/10/hit-charade/403192/
@The Man “why is it ironclad? Cause it has been well tested, man, and found to be worthy” Guess how you test your confidence in talking to girls. You talk to girls. ” ……. by what dynamic does this happen?” Infield experience instead of mental masturbation. “by way of forming some strong convictions that inform his behavior,” Guess how you form those. Talking to girls and putting yourself in social situations and learning what your convictions are. You are trying to promote the idea that everyone just sit and home and “think” their way into strong convictions. You are a… Read more »
Andy: “Faulty logic. Women don’t want to be treated as you would want to be treated. You need to apply the golden rule differently. You’re not doing women any favors by denying them the chance to get to know you, or have sex with you. It isn’t that big of a deal. If it ends it ends, it can suck but that’s just life. Hopefully you add value and improve their lives along the way. Look at it like that.” Well of course I realize that. You can’t actually practice the golden rule convictions if you don’t seek the other… Read more »
@Blaximus So, if a man calls himself an astronaut, yet never left earth’s atmosphere, is he really an astronaut? Or is he in effect, an astroNaught? @ Sentient ” If a virgin man has sex with a prostitute is he a man or not?” Depends. If the prostitute’s name is Mark, then no, it doesn’t count. lol… @Blax @kfg @ kfg Precisely. I dig that. i’m pretty sure you know it’s yeats…lol… (though it does sound like it could be kfg original…lol) but for pedantic thoroughness…lol… (and plus i really like it…lol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_(poem) Turning and turning in the widening gyre… Read more »
So what I left unsaid wrt my above comment to you is that the reason I see that redpill does not actually offer any escape from this dynamic of having one’s cognitive/emotional resources to be called upon,
Your resources will only be called upon if you want to accomplish something. That can be avoided. Not totally. But enough to keep you from being taxed by tasks.
@SJF – I’ve read Franco’s Practical Female Psychology but not the other book. And I don’t know this Shark guy at all – will check it out. PS – I like reading whole books. Not because it is necessary – you can get the content in other ways, but because reading the whole thing gives my mind more time to process it and think about it and gain insight while reading the whole thing (as opposed to the Cliff’s Notes version). Same reason it’s useful to watch pickup infield videos or RSD teaching videos – it’s not like I don’t… Read more »
@theMan no i don’t agree with that. mastery of the game is THE FIRST, NECESSARY STEP to becoming a full-fledged man. makes it hard for me to believe you can slay hot chicks at will. are you not familiar with how that makes you feel as a man? a guy who is fucking multiple hot women has an almost tangible aura about them. it lifts you up to a higher plane of your personal existence as a man. you start reaching further and further. getting women is primarily about self-belief. and with self-belief, you reach out and make that stuff… Read more »
How many conviction tensegrities can dance on the head of The Secret?
@Junior All we can do is try to warn them, cross our fingers, and then be there for them if it all falls apart to help with the recovery. It’s brutal though, like watching lambs head off to the slaughter. @SJF @Blaximus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjww638BM8 Tyler has a better speech in Blueprint where he talks about happiness just being your DEFAULT state instead of needing justification for it. Happiness is a choice. Those poor-ass tribes in Africa still sing and dance and laugh even though their life looks shitty compared to ours. Little kids run around smiling and laughing even if they’re… Read more »
What most people leave out in the study of tensegrity is the islands of compression. Compression and tension have to balance if you want stability.
Tension is easy. It self aligns. Compression not so much.
Yareally – Jeez man – mental masturbator – OK – if you say so – I can wear that badge if you want ……. masturbation, or self-gratification feels good, doing the self-gratification wrt the the use of the cognitive apparatus can also feel good. You do know there is an emotional component to cognition – right? Like why do you think you obtain personal positive feedback when pondering things and applying logic to the data of your life circumstances – because it feels good when you get it right dammit – otherwise why wouldn’t do it – right? Why do… Read more »
The Man
June 29th, 2016 at 11:51 am
If you only deal with your circumstances you have insufficient data.
In my opinion you are a poseur. My experience matches the various Alphas who post here. OTOH every thing you post is precessional. Ninety degrees out of phase. Either you are in a different universe or you are in error.
BTW I lived in Buck’s dome in Carbondale for two weeks. Back around ’73 or ’74.
Should be “Bucky’s dome”
In fact my access to Bucky’s dome is one of the things that convinced the LTR to give me a try. We are still together. I made no commitment of exclusivity.
HABD come now HABD… you know that looks do “matter”… scray yeah that’s why I hate dressing up and looking too well, it really just changes the game. like, if i look schlubby and hide my body under clothes that are a little loose, then I feel like I can move off the radar and pull more shit with a wider variety of girls. but if I’m all maxed out, I pretty much can only have fun with the 8+ girls because the 6-8’s just think I’m too high value. that DOES happen. girls can think you are TOO GOOD… Read more »
mastery of the game is THE FIRST, NECESSARY STEP to becoming a full-fledged man. makes it hard for me to believe you can slay hot chicks at will. are you not familiar with how that makes you feel as a man? a guy who is fucking multiple hot women has an almost tangible aura about them. it lifts you up to a higher plane of your personal existence as a man. you start reaching further and further. getting women is primarily about self-belief. and with self-belief, you reach out and make that stuff concrete. This. Story time: Between the ages… Read more »
@Emily – I, for one, take no pleasure at your travails. It seemed that you were making a legit attempt at a more traditional relationship, but the world didn’t allow that to happen. I found myself in a similar situation when married – I played “the good man” and dutiful husband/father, but the world simply spit in my face for doing that. I hope some prayerful reflection helps you figure your next course. I think you may want to consider a man about 10-15 years your senior, who is accomplished and has a life is someone you could respect and… Read more »
YaReally – OK your latest comment and your sentiment wrt me in general – I’ll come back – I gotta go do things now. But suffice to say for now, that I sense where there may be misunderstandings we may be having wrt differing perspectives:
– I am not giving anybody any advice on pua nor is that my intention – so that is not my perspective
– there is another layer of reality below what you are perceiving, wrt the man/woman thing. I am speaking about that. It is pertinent nevertheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edEVmGOR03E
Scribbs…
@TheConfusedMan And of course I’m not willing to drop these standard golden-rule-type suite of convictions, just because some within redpill may counsel that Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” I care more about being treated with respect than being liked because…I’m a man. So I treat women respectfully, but with dislike because they are bitchy or skanks. Women hate that. They’d much rather be liked than respected. So I misapply the Golden Rule. Women aren’t like men in many ways. Your application of the Golden Rule is faulty. You have to apply the… Read more »
http://www.greenbrier.com/Greenbrier2.0/media/Site-Images/Weddings/Wedding-Header.jpg
Culmination of the Princess Experience…
Who is more blue pill, men or women?
@scribbler on autopilot Stop “dating” boys, in other words to reach her you need to reference her peer group, world famous dating expert, branch swinger, and cat owner Taylor Swift: “I was thinking about this — boys only want love if it’s torture and a constant chase. Men want love if it’s real, right, healthy and consistent. Any girl who’s really thought a lot about romance and relationships and break-ups has determined that the male species has divided into two groups — and it’s boys and men. You can have a 40-year-old boy and a 20-year-old man — it depends… Read more »
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Eugenie+Bouchard+China+Open+Day+3+jFGBlSXmTGEl.jpg
Tennis fans… rate Eugenie Bouchard….
I say on average 7. A tricky 7…
@The Man “why the doubling down on the outrage?” Because I have low tolerance for deliberately stupid people. Nothing you’re saying is based on anything except your biased warped personal anecdotes. What we’re saying is backed by YEARS and hundreds of thousands of guys’ experiences. When enough people tell you you’re drunk, hand them your car keys. “and you seem to be freaking out here. Why?” Because I have low tolerance for deliberately stupid people. “I think you probably agree with me too – right? So what gives?” I don’t agree with you. The order goes “develop confidence in talking… Read more »
@YaReally, oh I’m aware that was Game. It was learned by trial and error, but it got to the point that it was a passive aspect to my personality. Just not fucking it up is a form of Game. My point was that once your get past that state of scarcity and the expectation of abundance becomes part of who you are you can’t help but be changed by it. Wild Man seems to believe change comes from some process of internalization, and while it might start there, real change comes through externalization. If it doesn’t challenge you it doesn’t… Read more »
“Now ….. that means I got some knowledge they don’t have, and I can’t really give that knowledge to them. What this ends up eventually meaning is …….. if things don’t end on their terms …… they are going to end up feeling disrespected.” @theman So, maybe you aren’t compatible with some chick… How do you know that without having sex with her? Would you feel respected if you weren’t compatible with some girl and she just stayed with you anyway? Even though she wasn’t in to you? Awww damn… You walked into a logic trap. “– if you think… Read more »
lets thank nike technology
http://www.womenstennisblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Bouchard-new-Nike-tights.jpg
@gb_hill aka I_hate_RSD lol, dude, I open women all the time during the day. It’s really easy, actually, if you just think that you are entitled to women’s attention simply because you’re a man. I reentered a store to reopen a girl from last week and she lit up when she saw me and leaned towards me over the counter. Um, DayGame is sooo tough. Another broad was checking me out at Panera’s and I caught her and also caught her eye and smirked at her and she got all shy, lol. A few decades ago, I saw a woman… Read more »
From The Black Flag by Shark TL;DR……External game and internal game are but two sides of the same coin. The holy grail of both journeys is identical. This does not contradict what YaReally and Rollo just stated because of the existence of a feedback loop: The resources that great external game gives a man strengthens the internal game. Naturals don’t always need to start with external game (because, well, they have it naturally), but non-naturals get a tremendous resource from great external game and that allows great internal game. This is what Julien was explaining in his Ten Game Livestream… Read more »
Yareally
heh… Yup the act of “putting together a killer outfit” is all about those subcoms…
+++++++++++
Dave: “hey man…. that sub com is you! You’ll get some leg tonight for sure! Tell us how you do! ”
Guy: “Come on Dave, give me a break”
Dave: “Hey Hey Hey Hey One break… Coming up!”
now lets translate Taylor Swift above from Hamster to Man, by using Google translate: “I was thinking about this — betas only get sex if it’s torture and a constant chase. Alphas want sex and relationships that’s right for them. Any girl who’s really thought a lot about sex and relationships has determined that the male species has divided into two groups — and it’s betas and alphas. You can have a 40-year-old beta and a 20-year-old alpha — it depends on their emotional DNA. I think it’s important to be able to have sex without there being a relationship… Read more »
emotional DNA translates to internals
@Sentient
“heh… Yup the act of “putting together a killer outfit” is all about those subcoms…”
Hey look at that, you’re finally learning! I agree, the act of thinking “I am confident enough to wear something that will draw attention to me and don’t fear the attention, the social pressure of people paying attention to me and judging me” and inviting that social pressure/attention/judgement from others on yourself IS an attractive subcomm.
I agree, the act of thinking “I am confident enough to wear something that will draw attention to me and don’t fear the attention, the social pressure of people paying attention to me and judging me” and inviting that social pressure/attention/judgement from others on yourself IS an attractive subcomm.
And all based on how you look…
@Sentient
Look at this guy peacocking, he’s SO SEXY the way he stands out, since peacocking itself is what’s sexy and not subcomms:
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I00009lgDlSHmEUs/fit=1000×750/city-london14-15-12-2007.jpg
It doesn’t matter that he’s hunched over and clearly feels like he has no worth, subcomms are imaginary. Peacocking itself is what makes girls wet!
Peacocked homeless-style, but clearly gives no fucks in his body language etc about social pressure. Which guy gets positive attention?
Which guy was labelled China’s Sexiest Tramp?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295895/Rags-riches-movie-fame-homeless-man-Chinas-sexiest-tramp.html
Must be the 6-pack abs you can see through his shirt.
@Sentient
“And all based on how you look…”
Because we are socially conditioned to put value on looks, the exact same way the flat-head tribe is socially conditioned to put value on flat-heads.
But you didn’t understand it the first time we went ’round this merry-go-round so why would you understand it now.
Rollo: “I rarely had to apply myself” YaReally: CONSCIOUSLY apply yourself. You WERE applying yourself, you just weren’t consciously aware of all the subcomms you were demonstrating. “If I ran into resistance I had so many standbys I rarely dealt with it.” This is game. Perhaps Rollo was inferring that he had few fears and the hurdles (resistance) were low. It was contextual alpha and he wasn’t Domain Dependent. Perhaps YaReally is saying that if men do have those fears and high hurdles a man should move forward with aggressive aggressiveness (good Game) rather than passive aggressiveness. (Another passage from… Read more »
@SJF, I definitely had fears and setbacks at first. The story I related was when I’d gotten to the passively internalized Alpha state, not the journey up to it. And that state is exactly as YaReally describes it: the expectation that you will be interpreted as Alpha, as high value, etc. subconsciously manifests in your behavior, your speech, your presentation, even Game applications like Amused Mastery flow from that preknowledge. This was one reason I took to PUA when I first encountered it from the old guys in 2002. I’d already been Gaming from a long time before, it just… Read more »
@Sentient
Weird how The Bachelorette even HAS guys get disqualified. Let alone hordes of girls all liking/hating specific guys on the show across the board. I mean, they’re all good-looking rich dudes, so really girls should just want to fuck all of them equally and not disqualify or hate any of them. I mean, why would they all like or dislike specific guys, why would the Bachelorette bother choosing between any of them with any conviction? I mean, what would any of those women base their selection on…some kind of mythical subcomms YaReally made up?
YaReally
June 29th, 2016 at 1:53 pm
There is also the alternative of dressing very sloppy because you don’t care what others think. That works too.
The essence is “you don’t care what others think” confidence.
You always like the goalpost moving and strawmanning…
The issue never was that subcoms don’t matter, eventually…
https://goo.gl/images/Kovg79
Is Santa on this season, someone fill me in. Otherwise i do not see Jonah Hill or Mikey Cera competing here? Funny that.
@Sentient
come now HABD… you know that looks do “matter”…
this stupid shit again…
no one said looks didn’t matter
the debate is WHY do looks matter
and honestly I don’t give a shit if you guys get it or not
go forward and think that your looks matter because of some innate nonsense. it’s just going to stunt your game anyway.
@all and no, since i have to fucking REPEAT IT AGAIN FOR THE SLOW the reason LOOKS CHANGE THE GAME has a) nothing to do with ME and b) EVERYTHING to do with social conditioning the game changes because when I wear X suit, now suddenly people completely change their expectations of who I am and what I’m doing and my value now, could i rewire their expectations there through more personality-based demonstrations? yes. it would just take a little bit of time or my approach would have to be a little different. it’s CALIBRATION it’s KNOWING HOW YOU ARE… Read more »
burnt out on all my venues now so… take a break… lol… nobody is going to fire you if you ‘don’t show up’…lol… just focus on some other aspect of moving forward toward your goals… nope. can’t do that. its like trying to go back to being blue pill once you are red pill aware. now that i have started to actually do game, can’t just turn it off. If I can go out and practice consistantly, then I am okay even if I’m not at the point of makeouts or sex. but i can’t stand just sitting aroun din… Read more »
Scray
“the game changes because when I wear X suit, now suddenly people completely change their expectations of who I am and what I’m doing and my value”
Exactly… It really doesn’t matter why… you can cling to social conditioning… or evo bio… or whatever… but it is real, demonstrable, repeatable phenomena.
Understand this… and profit from it.
Scray
“when I wear X suit, now suddenly people completely change their expectations of who I am and what I’m doing and my value””
If people’s perception of your value is changed by how you look… please let’s not see “looks don’t matter”: posted here ever again.
lololol @Sentient If people’s perception of your value is changed by how you look… please let’s not see “looks don’t matter”: posted here ever again. becuase, the whenever a girl sees a gay she’s is attracted to, she INSTANTLY bangs him. There TOTALLY isn’t a series of shit tests or anything. lol, if girls are attracted to a guy because of a particular look, its becuase that look reperesents certain high value attributes but , , , he still has to ACTUALLY display those attributes. If he fails the shit tests, he won’t get shit, whereas in reverse, a guy… Read more »
@ Hank
By all means If your tired get some rest.Whatever you do don’t sit on the pity pot it will put a black ring around your ass in milliseconds.Don’t have much to say about the job prospects except,California,Florida,and all up and down the Rockies fn boomtimes.Idk baby boomer retirement areas are heating up,at any rate all these are nice places to be.
Hank
I forgot… you are an expert… please continue.
@stuffinbox
always write what i feel. makes the good times that much better when i can read where I came from. and it helps put me in a logical mode where i can determine my next steps.
@sentient
I forgot… you are an expert
you’re goddamn right
@sentient Understand this… and profit from it. it’s not whatever and you aren’t understanding anything if you don’t know why looks have the effect they have. looks mattering in the way i say they do is what allows someone to take a jacked dude who starts off at a 9 in a girl’s eyes and pull him down to like a 5 based off of associating his prime source of initial value with a DLV — being insecure, not being able to eat anything real, being vain like a girl. that’s why it works. norm X has just been conditioned… Read more »
Looks matter untill they don’t
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKUDRW9EA2c&w=560&h=315%5D
@Rollo “but it got to the point that it was a passive aspect to my personality. Just not fucking it up is a form of Game.” Right, that’s all I’m pointing out. Naturals describing their pickups and newbies watching Naturals have a tendency to go “He didn’t even DO anything!!” which is how we guys end up looking for externals that fit their socially conditioned value system to explain it “It MUST be his (looks/money/race/clothes/etc)” and end up perpetuating limiting beliefs. It’s important to understand that we have to look deeper than the surface level. “My point was that once… Read more »
Way too many men marry, become disillusioned, then transfer all that disillusionment into new hope with baby princess. Please stop doing that. I know it’s difficult. Of course your daughter is the very bestest female in all the universe but…
Just not fucking it up is a form of Game.
The hardest one for most people.
YaReally – hey – you were one of those OCD-prone dudes that had your shit all up in an knot about your self-esteem, then you had your epiphany … so now you can be the OCD-prone dude that has “seen the light”……. but you still got your OCD deal – right?
It’s OK – a kinda like the OCD crowd. Just sayin.
Yareally ““lol but the technical point is that looks don’t matter in and of themselves” This. But this keeps flying over Sentient’s head and has been since day one of the discussion. I have to just assume he’s purposely ducking at this point.” There is nothing to duck from my point of view. I never suggested that “looks don’t matter in an of themselves” i.e. would solely get bang… [interesting to note though the perpetual use of further ad hoc micro definitions and semantic play]. I’ve always OBSERVED that girls are attracted to conventional good looks. Full stop. That does… Read more »
@hank nope. can’t do that. its like trying to go back to being blue pill once you are red pill aware. now that i have started to actually do game, can’t just turn it off. If I can go out and practice consistantly, then I am okay even if I’m not at the point of makeouts or sex. but i can’t stand just sitting aroun din limbo — i won’t be able to just “do something else” welcome to game ‘addiction’…lol… and that’s a great attitude to have… an d I am already working on other stuff. I have been… Read more »
@HABD
do you have some kind of FUN everyday?… i’ve found that is important for me to maintain my attitude…
and if you have a good attitude, fun will find you, strangely enough…
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I went to a board game meetup and didn’t game any girls…none I wanted to…was chatting with a buddy by my truck and a random guy came by and invited us to a party at a bar and we went there and chatted up a couple of girls and gamed them.
Subcomms. Since I’ve been made aware of social conditioning ( h/t scray and YaReally ), I have been much more thoughtful and observant, and mine eyes have been opened to phenomenon that I’d never really thought about or paid attention to. Fascinating shit. But lol on subcomms. I 100% believe in subcomms, but again, I have a blindspot in understanding what subs I may project or possess. It will take more self reflection and understanding, which is good for me. Quick story from 1991 or so. I was walking in NYC and ran into ( almost literally ) Denzel Washington… Read more »
@yareally @habd lol nah, you can’t go suicidal now that you know the red pill. Blue Pill is about not understanding the world enough to see any way out of a situation… Its not an issue that just popped up — that was most of my twenties. Just trying to get through to te next day. Only recently go out of that situation, but still often feel like just keeping my head above water So it wasn’t just triggered by a bad night out — think people may have misunderstood that — its an ongoing thing now for going on… Read more »
@sentient hat “looks don’t matter in an of themselves” i.e. would solely get bang… that is NOT the i.e. that is NOT the “in other words.” that is something TOTALLY DIFFERENT (the idea that looks alone get the bang). here is what I am saying —> there is nothing FIXED about any particular LOOK that is 100% attractive at all times and totally untethered to norms. of course the REASON why looks ALONE do NOT get the bang is PRECISELY because of what we are saying….over time, negative norms can become associated with someone’s look he has a whole closet… Read more »
Look guys – female attraction for the masculine – we all know it’s all about the confidence – right?. It’s whatever signals confidence. There are a million tells. Looks can be a tell (until it isn’t) etc. etc. etc. Subcomm can be a better tell (until you happen to fuck that up) etc. etc. etc.
This is just so fucking obvious. Except the women can’t explain it to you cause they don’t know how to explain it.
@culum @yareally @habd was a diner place. saw girl there, so opened. just short chat, wasn’t really sure what to say. interesting thing was i opened on wrong body language for a change. was facing her full on, as opposed to normally when I approach her from an angle and talk over my shoulder a bit. of course, almost as soon as I opened her, she took a step back. I steped forward as well, not getting any closer, just keeping the same distance. seemed like the right thing to do — had the cnvo gone on a bit longer,… Read more »
huh. just realized that I can make up where I work, but intentially pick a specific job to lead into sexualizing.
like I just made up the bar bit on the fly, don’t work at one, but that just occurred to me I could plan that out more in advance.
a more neutral one anyway. i’ve got the male stripper bit, but that is a bit much to bring up for me in most situ right now.
And is it just me, or have the fags just burst out of the woodwork?
I have seen SO MANY flamers recently its ridiculous.
guess i could always just be gay lol.
@theasdgamer @HABD do you have some kind of FUN everyday?… i’ve found that is important for me to maintain my attitude… and if you have a good attitude, fun will find you, strangely enough… yep, i’ve found that’s true, too… lol… everybody loves ‘the FUN'(tm)…lol… and wants some part of it… but i’ve noticed that it’s actually pretty rare ‘in the wild’… most peeps are pretty grim mostly… lol… like they don’t really have ‘permission’ to have it… lol… but that’s just the social conditioning in play… so ‘the FUN'(tm) pings as a big ass DHV!!… lol… good luck! —————-… Read more »
can you get another job to get more hours/experience? what steps to take to get benefits for your health issues?… have you done that, yet? always working on that stuff behind the scenes, just don’t always bring it up in FRS could you start your own biz?… it’s maybe not as easy if you are not in that ‘start up’ culture/environment, but it’s still doable… nah, that’s for when I move. too much time and money to do, when I could put that towards working/saving to move and working on game. you might have to step up as a leader… Read more »
@ hank ” And is it just me, or have the fags just burst out of the woodwork?” Lmfao. Now, now. That language mister!! They are ” gay ” and a part of the LBGT community. They just had a huge parade in NYC recently. For the record, IDGAF what people decide to do sexually. It is absolutely none of my business at all. I’ve had a few men friends that were gay, and multiple lesbian and bisexual chicks as friends and sometimes more. But lately, things seem to be getting out of hand. It makes me suspicious. I have… Read more »
@ HABD ” HEY! what about ME?… lol…” Lol, my bad. And HABD also. Re: The work ” outfit “, ha ha ha.. it was just better functioning and comfortable. The reaction from females just seemed odd. But now in hindsight, lol I guess I did appear to be almost wearing a character costume at the time. And you’re correct. My boy Tony teasing me went in one ear and out the other. It was good hearted ribbing. But, his sister liked the look too. And I’ve had the pleasure of meeting an assload of celebs in my lifetime. Sometimes… Read more »
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“.. Waddya mean I can’t walk on wet pavement…”
Couldn’t resist.
@Blaximus “It is encouraged today. So yeah hank, I am seeing what you are seeing. Yeah, shit is changing. No, it doesn’t bode well for our population.” “It” is a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator of a society in decline. It is a non-patriarchal indicator of a a matriarchal descent into a society that has too much. The Bonobo Masturbation society http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2012/07/everyone-a-harlot/ Bonobos live luxuriously, with access to as much food as they need. Female coalitions check male aggression, and males rarely form tight-knit groups. Males don’t know who their fathers are, only their mothers. Sex is, as a… Read more »
@YaReally Understand that I am not going back and forth with you to argue to win a point or win an argument. I’ve learned and grown an incredible amount by going back and forth with you and Scray. I even have in mind to enumerate what I have learned from you guys in just three short months. Understand that it is to learn and illustrate things. To say that argument was fun. I learned something. I think it is great. That link to Jack Donovan’s essay also contained the the following quote. If you actually take what us old guys… Read more »
There are two cultures and they don’t understand each other.
A thermodynamic explanation of politics
@Blaximus @Hank
And is it just me, or have the fags just burst out of the woodwork?
I have seen SO MANY flamers recently its ridiculous.
guess i could always just be gay lol.
I am in trendy areas frequently and see crossdressers, etc. quite a bit. Occasionally I get hit on by gays. That used to bother me but not anymore.
I have never felt a need to say #nohomo in any posts.
No, Blax, I won’t fall for that dropping-a-quarter trick a second time.
lol
Guys I just read a fantastic new book by Sebastian Junger which I think has a lot of relevance to the discussion here – all about male bonding, male place in society and male groups – it’s called Tribe. Sebastian Junger is the journalist who wrote Perfect Storm – the book that later became a George Clooney movie, but he’s also a well known war correspondent (Bosnia, Afghanistan etc). The new book is short – you can read it in a couple of hours, but for those who want the even quicker version (YaReally I’m looking at you), it’s an… Read more »
Great story, Culum. Resonates with my experience.
“Looks don’t matter.”
^ What every unattractive person tells themselves.
@Culum Struan Wow. Great book. I just read half of it. @I hope @The Man doesn’t read it. He might start justifying egalitarianism once again. The type of egalitarianism that does exist in small tribes, but does not exist in large formed societies. Tribalism is a way to regain mans humanity. A further reason for a bottoms-up approach to one man’s self improvement and also the manosphere’s cause collectively. A couple excerpts that modern society, including our own current declining society isolates individual persons rather than unites them in a common cause, and this is contradictory to how the human… Read more »
“A couple excerpts that modern society, including our own current declining society isolates individual persons rather than unites them in a common cause”
I think this is why post apocalyptic tv shows like The Walking Dead are so popular. Our current society has drifted so far from our basic nature and people are just tired of pretending to be what they’re not.
this thread is interesting in advance of Rollo writing about “great experiences” https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4qppet/shallitinders_advice_for_all_guys_in_their_20s/ In a comment there: “The 30s are no place to build a career from scratch.” As a mid 30s guy building his career the last couple of years, I’m echoing this sentiment. I discovered PUA when I was about 22 and let the pursuit of women completely take over my life for about the next 6-7 years. It ate up a majority of my 20s. Next thing I knew, I was 31 and working at a job that paid 1 dollar an hour more than what I… Read more »
The key to fitness for the majority:
http://kingofwallpapers.com/fork/fork-009.jpg
Light weight… low reps…
I’ve got a BBQ this weekend (you know where you could acquire pussy and have fun at the same time), not a fork type event
@Traveler
“Looks don’t matter.”
^ What every unattractive person tells themselves.
You look like you could stand to lose a few hundred pound, trollol.
@sentient
Push ups are less important for dieting than push aways.
Redlight I’m cool with red pill being descriptive but it has a fuck long way to go at being better at prescriptive So towards that end… and along the theme of not wasting your 20’s… 1. Avoid debt [yes even college loans… debt is the snare to a half lived live. Absent debt you are free to go and seek as you please. Keep that monkey off your back] 2. Handle your game and women issues in high school [this is the time to devote to game understanding [sperg warning – NOT video games]… and work through initial sexual and… Read more »
Good comment Sentient Your link to that Comment of the Week gave me an intro to an excerpt that that I found in the “Tribe” book by Sebastian Junger that Culum cited. The COTW below yours last year at Heartiste was: The New Heresy, twatting on Twatter, wins the COTW consolation prize. What does it mean to be white? To construct a civilization whose decline is marked by outgroup altruism and ingroup malice. The best shivs get to the point. The following is a stand alone thought separate from the current discussion line. It is in regards to military veterans… Read more »
@SJF – that’s incredibly fast work to get through the book so quickly. Are you reading on a Kindle and marking passages of interest? Because otherwise I don’t see how you’re producing excerpts so quickly..
Also, if you’re interested Junger has done a long podcast interview with Tim Ferriss where he talks a lot more about the book and about his background as well. It’s a little repetitive if you’ve read the book, but I still enjoyed it.
“You look like you could stand to lose a few hundred pound, trollol”
If I lost a hundred pounds I would literally not exist
@Culum Struan LOL. First off, yes I am fast at assimilating information and curating it in my own mind and then trying to add value to the discussions here. A long time ago in my education, I learned how to read books the old fashioned way–by just reading them, understanding as I go along and fit the information into abstract thinking. All this red pill manosphere information in the last three years has led me to actually now be able to express my mind a lot better, even if I do cheat and curate and cut and paste stuff. I… Read more »
Gosh. I’m shaking my head. With all this blog has to offer it becomes clearer to me every two weeks that life for a man is actually not actually as tough as we individual men make it out to be. Yeah, earlier in the day I read Tribes by Sebastian Younger from cover to cover. I then went and did a consult and several skin biopsies at the hospital, a good long drive from my place, as the staff consultant in my specialty. These on call days used to suck. I remember how hard that was in the old days.… Read more »
redlight
July 1st, 2016 at 8:55 am
We know why the window closes around age 30. Endocannabinoid production has been declining since age 25 or so.
We knew this instinctively in the 60s. “Don’t trust anyone over 30.” I turned 30 in 1974. We now know the science of it. Well those who study it do. The general population is still ignorant.
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Found this on an old blog: The Last Psychiatrist. I wish I had started reading manophere blogs back in the 2012’s:
What’s Wrong With The Hunger Games Is What No One Noticed
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/04/whats_wrong_with_the_hunger_ga_1.html