Attitude Sells

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There are many attitudinal and subtle behavior traits that manifest in men who are presented with options or enjoy even casual social proof. I’m not sure a lot of guys really realize just how sensitive women are to those ‘tells’. You will do things, say things, without thinking about them that indicate on a limbic level what you believe about yourself. Women have evolved to perceive the smallest cues and subtlest of hints – to the point it’s a subconscious subroutine running in their background processing of information about you when they’re not even cognitively aware of it.

They may not be able to consciously put a finger on it, but on some level of consciousness these tells are informing a woman’s limbic understanding of your SMV.

I’ve gone back and forth about covert communications vs. overt communications on this blog over the years. There is a certain school of Game that teaches a bold, direct action wherein a guy overtly inserts himself into that woman’s immediate experience and I can certainly see the merits of it.

Law 28
Enter into action with boldness

If you are unsure of a course of action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your execution. Timidity is dangerous: better to enter with boldness. Any mistakes you commit through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity. Everyone admires the bold; no one honors the timid.

There is a certain gravitas that accompanies an extroverted approach with women, the trick is not coming off as a ‘try hard’ and overplaying it, thereby overtly confirming your following a script. When you don’t believe it’s you it’s a pretty good bet she doesn’t either.

A lot of proponents of this in-your-face approach will tell you it’s the only way a “real” man should interact with women; boldly and confidently, and entirely on his terms. And while I agree with this, how you go about effecting that can vary depending on context and condition.

When a guy is initially establishing Frame and drawing the woman (women) of his choosing into his reality, that overt, direct approach can be the deciding factor for a woman’s acquiescing to his Frame. Caught up in the moment (such as an ‘insta-date’ or an encounter she wasn’t expecting) and charging her with an immediate rush of endorphins, a woman’s Hypergamous filtering process gets overridden by that excitement. This is the same principle operating behind planning dates with an excitement factor involved (rock climbing, sky diving, are both exaggerations, but you get the idea) – an emotional attachment paired with an endorphin rush associates that ‘feeling’ with you.

There’s a tendency I think for Red Pill aware men to view women’s Hypergamous / Solipsistic natures as hinderances to men effecting their own interests with them. Shit tests, filtering, sexual prospect comparison and a whole host of other conscious and subconscious vetting inherent to women seems like an insufferable waste of effort for men. However, while Hypergamy may define the rules of the game it’s important for men to understand how to work it to their advantage in both a direct approach and in understanding the subtle filtering that women do.

I’ve read more than a few ‘dating gurus’ define this “being direct with her” approach as the only legitimate form of Game. A Real Man® sees what he wants and goes out and boldly gets it. The problem is that this attitude gets tied to The Male Catch 22 and any derivation is compared with unmanliness.

As I said, while I agree there’s merit to this directness, it shouldn’t be done at the cost of understanding how women subconsciously vet and filter to better discern a man’s (perceptively) true sexual market value to her – as well as how she contrasts his SMV to her self-perceived SMV. There is nothing “unmanly” about having a curiosity for how the female mind works and then using that understanding to your advantage.

Maintaining Frame

It’s one thing to draw that woman into your reality and your psychological Frame, it’s another to maintain this Frame once she’s stepped into it.

I went into some of the subtle ‘tells’ about a man’s SMV in Alpha Tells and Beta Tells and the subcommunication messaging that transfers between men and women. In these posts I described the process beneath those tells and what’s being communicated in them. One thing I believe even Red Pill aware men subscribe to is the idea that their Frame can only be maintained by the same overt and bluntly direct means that helped them create it.

This is the root of men’s initial anxiety of having to upkeep their Red Pill “act”; “Red Pill is impossible to float all the time! What? Am I expected to Game my LTR forever?” The answer of course is internalizing Red Pill awareness into one’s personality, but one thing that also goes along with that is the manifesting of behaviors that help maintain your Frame.

Women pick up on behavioral cues, attitude, how things affect you, how you apply yourself to a task, how you deal with adversity and certainly the interplay you engage in with her while playing with her. If you’re thinking that women wanting men who Just Get It is all direct Game and all above board you need to reconsider that quite a bit of women’s filtering occurs when you’re not ‘on‘ and she’s casually picking up on your behavioral cues.

She want’s you to ‘get it’ on your own, without having to be told how. That initiative and the experience needed to have had developed it makes you a Man worth competing for. Women despise a man who needs to be told to be dominant. Overtly relating this to a guy entirely defeats his credibility as a genuinely dominant male. The guy she wants to fuck is dominant because that’s ‘the way he is’ instead of who she had to tell him to be.

Observing the process will change it. This is the root function of every shit test ever devised by a woman. If masculinity has to be explained to a man, he’s not the man for her.

Much of a woman’s vetting process takes place in her hindbrain. It’s very easy for most guys in western(ized) culture to presume that hot, but vapid, women are too oblivious to really pay much attention to this process. Lost in their hedonism and self-affirmations it’s easy to believe that those processes aren’t as influential in hook-ups as they might be in a long term arrangement, but trust that even though they might be under the surface they are being processed.

Mindset

It’s a Tomassi Maxim now, but bears repeating; Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic. I’ve explained what I mean by this on many occasions, but when it comes to what I consider the abstraction that is Alpha it can primarily be reduced to a particular mindset of masculine dominance and confidence.

I wont belabor this here again, but suffice to say that while I believe there is a natural component to it, I do think that to varying degrees this Alpha mindset, or something approaching it, is a learnable state for men. That said, I also think men need to use caution when when evaluating how to go about cultivating and internalizing this mindset.

It’s very easy to get caught up in the hope for a magic solution to your problems in life. There’s no shortage of motivational speakers and charismatic ‘self-help’ gurus ready to sell you a book, or a sermon, or some self-styled social movement promising to show you how to develop this “winners’ mindset”. It’s important to bear in mind that any mindset you learn is only as legitimate as the realities that inform it.

A lot of hate directed at PUAs, motivational speakers, pastors or even your parents can be traced back to their failings in understanding simple evidential realities. Their hopeful formulas for your success end up being frustrations and anxieties when they’ve proven to fail you because you invest yourself in part, or in whole, in them.

Much of what constitutes Blue Pill conditioning is founded in the same misgivings. It’s very easy to hype up and sensationalize Blue Pill idealisms in ‘optimism’ soaked rhetorics, but these hopes are easily dispelled with a Red Pill aware lens. That’s one reason the Red Pill can be bitter – it’s a real buzz kill when you’re high on Blue Pill optimism.

The primary reason I’ve always been reluctant to be prescriptive with Red Pill awareness in practice is because I’ve always believed that the Red Pill is never going to be one size fits all. While Red Pill truths are universal, their application is subjective to the man employing them. How he develops the mindset that best serves him is contextual to his own circumstance.

That said, I think a pragmatic approach based on Red Pill awareness and the fundaments that make it up would serve men best in developing a Red Pill mindset that works for him. You might think that in light of my recent Purple Pill post that I’m alluding to the ‘coaches’ and re-definers of the Red Pill in all this, but lots of “Red Pill” men are actually Purple Pill hoping that some of the old rules might still apply.

While I emphatically recognize the power of positive thought in altering one’s mindset and changing the course of one’s life, I also understand that zeal for change needs to be tempered with a healthy skepticism. If you find yourself being swept up in a tide of super-optimism that’s the time to question the foundations of it. Positive, motivational memes can become clichéd aphorisms when those foundations are proven to be false.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ Rocket Or maybe you’re like Eadsgamer and you’re 70 yrs old and haven’t been laid by someone other than your wife … and yeah eads, you’re gaming your own wife we get it, in like 20 years. You’re a very sensitive man. Actually my first lay was an engaged broad. It was so hard emotionally for me to instigate with my inhibitions and all. Autism thing. I dropped a lot of panties in my teens. Just petting except for the lay. I just wanted to learn about women’s anatomy, escalation, and women’s arousal. So sue me for not being… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ Forge

I’ve heard it opined by a man that if you take a girl’s hand and she begins to feel/stroke yours, she’s DTF and I have yet to see that disproven.

I had no idea. There was a married broad in my social circle who was stroking my hand right in front of her husband and lots of people in a group dance class. I was creeped out, but didn’t consciously realize the significance. Now that I think about it, she talked about dance-gasms. Monday-morning quarterbacking.

Rocket
Rocket
5 years ago

I’m done here. The stupid psychobabble was bad enough. Some asswipe reads a post and diagnoses me like he’s a fucking god: You’re just in the stage 13 – the anger phase. Right douchebag, assuming there are 13 phases just how the fuck do you KNOW FOR AN ABSOLUTE FACT I’m in stage 13. Answer: you don’t asshole. Or … you seem complacent, you need to work harder … like anyone can determine what I’m working on and how hard I’m trying from a comment on a blog. Fucking idiots. But outright attacks and insults … maybe it was intentional… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“I’m done here. The stupid psychobabble was bad enough. Some asswipe reads a post and diagnoses me like he’s a fucking god: You’re just in the stage 13 – the anger phase.”

13c: the ragequit stage of the anger phase.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

” The stupid psychobabble was bad enough. Some asswipe reads a post and diagnoses me like he’s a fucking god: You’re just in the stage 13 – the anger phase. Right douchebag, assuming there are 13 phases just how the fuck do you KNOW FOR AN ABSOLUTE FACT I’m in stage 13. Answer: you don’t asshole. ” @Rocket Yesss… YESS!!!!! Don’t leave man. Don’t leave me alone with these judgmental pricks. People like us need to be convinced logically, not judged and lectured. For the record, I’m not going to shit on your SB game. I don’t even doubt that… Read more »

mersonia
5 years ago

@Andy

You and rocket honestly aren’t worth convincing the only thing that would change your mindset is exposing yourself for the field for an extended period of time and being open to allowing it to change.

The others who were trying to “help” you other than yareally just seem like bitter pricks honestly. Well instead of adding value and positive reinforcement they just come off ass bitter assholes with too much filler information to write ( waste of a read lol)

mersonia
5 years ago

@rocket

for what its worth i’d like for you to stay. and learn not to let people on the internet get under your skin.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Lol

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

@mersonia

I could see that. I’m open! I would love for people to change my mind. I think it’s awesome when that happens. You just have to filter though the information… Like you for example. Random people coming on, proclaiming themselves above me. I have no reference with you, but I take what I read and filter it.

mersonia
5 years ago

@Andy

Your not open. People cant change your mind . You change it.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

@mersonia

I think when I get to a certain point, yeah you’re probably right. I still enjoy hearing out the other side of the argument. Either I’ll alter my position a bit, or make it stronger, and a few times it has changed completely. Obviously saying that isn’t going to make you believe it, but it has definitely happened.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“The others who were trying to “help” you other than yareally just seem like bitter pricks honestly.”

It didn’t come naturally, I worked hard for it.

MikePhil
MikePhil
5 years ago

@KFG:

Deida is exactly that, a New Age woman. He purports to write books that in theory will help men be better men, but he knows exactly where his market is; chick-crack women, and the emasculated new Age males that love them. Read any of his works and you’ll feel your nuts trying to leap out of your scrotum.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Who the hell is this mersonia fuck?

theasdgamer
5 years ago

I guess some of us need to increase our nurturing. Maybe start wearing aprons or some shit.

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

Attitude will adjust naturally once a man accepts TRP and gets some in-field experience applying it with women. TRP seemed overwhelming until I got out onto the field. Then everything just started clicking. Connecting the dots. It’s so simple. Way simpler than I thought it would be. That isn’t to say it’s easy. But having a baseline idea of how women work definitely makes dealing with them more understandable. I feel more natural than I’ve ever felt in my life. Generally speaking, what BP men are terrified of doing to women (setting boundaries and putting their wants/needs behind his own)… Read more »

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

I will say that being an ‘asshole’ has its place though. I have no reservations now with showing anger to women if they do something that pisses me off. And it’s gotten very good responses. The best part? I wasn’t trying to be angry or show dominance. I just got pissed off and acted pissed off. It’s not complicated. What got me the most angry? Anything that directly infringes on my time or my well-being. e.g., trying to manipulate me or guilt-trip me. Being unpleasant and trying to pin it on me, feeling bad and trying to pin it on… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“I guess some of us need to increase our nurturing. Maybe start wearing aprons or some shit.” I’ll say this. I think what we’re seeing here largely is just contentious relations between different personality types. I think for personalities like mine (xNTP’s), the fact that we put ourselves out here to learn obviously opens the floor for anyone to jump up and start shelling out advice. Which is great. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that we automatically assume ourselves as lesser than the people giving out advice. While people of the other personality type (mostly xNTJ’s I believe) come along… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ Andy

Secondly the dominant way many of the xNTJ’s here talk it’s like “I could never actually learn something from someone so feeble! Bwa ha ha.”

I learn something from almost everybody, including Rocket. And I’m not xNTJ or xNTP. More like xxxx–a pretty balanced bit of everything.

I don’t see a lot of comments here as being about dominance–more challenging than anything, especially challenging to improve. I don’t see too many dominance games here that are out of the ordinary.

I always enjoy your comments. No, I’m not gonna hold hands with you in the shower.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Andy

Don’t leave me alone with these judgmental pricks. People like us need to be convinced logically, not judged and lectured.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/247/730/680.gif

Says the guy that spent an entire thread tutting and finger wagging at me for my views, then concludes by trying to shame me and everyone that agreed with me by hoping we’ll give a shit when he says he doesn’t respect us. Hypocrisy, thy judgmental name is Andy.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Softek “I will say that being an ‘asshole’ has its place though. I have no reservations now with showing anger to women if they do something that pisses me off. And it’s gotten very good responses. The best part? I wasn’t trying to be angry or show dominance. I just got pissed off and acted pissed off. It’s not complicated. “ Heh, precisely. It’s another one of those things that’s so simple in retrospect, but takes a paradigm shift to get there. At one point I didn’t even know I was supposed to have boundaries. Different guy’s anger may come… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

@Sun

yeah I’m pretty inflexible on that point. haha. Hey maybe some day a PUA will read that and it will change their mind. A man can dream.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

@ASD

Yeah, I definitely wasn’t talking about you. I enjoy yours as well. 🙂

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago

@Rollo Take note of the MSM pushback… https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28582-scans-prove-theres-no-such-thing-as-a-male-or-female-brain/ When the group looked at each individual brain scan, however, they found that very few people had all of the brain features they might be expected to have, based on their sex. Of course, there is no mention of what structures the sex differences were “supposed” to have, or why brain structures should conceivably be different depending on sex in the first place. The CPU that runs in your PC at home typically has very little structural difference from the one that runs inside research facility, but they have very different functions.… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ Jeremy

The problem with the framing of the science is that it ignores significant differences in brains between men and women as though brains have to meet some sort of ideal for a male or female brain. It’s a logic error of the distribution sort. Propaganda, of course.

Kind of like saying that there’s no difference between the genitalia of men and women because very few men have a penis exactly 6″ long.

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago

@Andy I think what we’re seeing here largely is just contentious relations between different personality types. Personality typing began as a method of discovering differences in human behavior. It is turning into a new form of Eugenics wherein an entire industry of corporate training exists to supposedly help people learn to deal with people. It was never intended to help people relate to each other, and any suggestion that it should be is like using a description of a landscape as if it were a map. Be very cautious of any kind of thinking that attempts to explain human interaction… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Jeremy

So uh… if I recall, the studies Rollo typically cited explicitly stated they observed the activity, not just the physical structure. That article is claiming to invalidate those studies by looking at a completely different test and claiming it invalidates a very different test. And they call themselves scientists?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/086/344/carl1.jpg

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Jeremy

“all”

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Lol, well we’re kinda piling on the shitty conclusions of that study, but the fact is the media doesn’t give a fuck. It will take whatever inch it can to travel its fuzzy equalist mile.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago
Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Forge Heh, precisely. It’s another one of those things that’s so simple in retrospect, but takes a paradigm shift to get there. At one point I didn’t even know I was supposed to have boundaries. As a rule I don’t much care for the term “paradigm shift” because it is way overused. But in this context it is totally appropriate. The blue pill is a way of thinking, feeling, doing – it’s a paradigm. The red pill is also, and it is a paradigm shift to move from the state of supplication, pedestalization, equalism to the state of playful dominence.… Read more »

Striver
Striver
5 years ago

I empathize with Rocket and will probably end up feeling as he does about manosphere, red-pill, when it’s all said and done. I am all for many men learning 101 level survival skills for the SMP. The zen, religious like quality the RP has taken on, not so much. I do NOT believe that men have infinite neuroplasticity, and that any man can learn and apply any concept with skill if he just puts enough work in. Don’t believe it. Others here disagree, no doubt. If Rocket is to be believed, he’s put his work in, done his reading. Tried… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

IRL I have run marathons. There are a number of people who in theory could run a marathon, but can’t really, because they can’t master the mental aspect. Can’t get the rhythm of long distance running down or whatever. I’m sure they’re “missing something”, but we all miss something. It’s part of life. I don’t sit and hector people who don’t do long distance running that they need to “just get it” and take it up. How would you react to someone who doesn’t run marathons, who rejects any help offered on breathing / pacing / balance / mental, and… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“How many times would you try to help that person out of the pit of negativity they refuse to climb out of?” Sounds to me more like he’s a 10k runner thinking about running a marathon, then a cyclist comes along a tell him he’s a piece of shit for enjoying 10k’s and that he really doesn’t even actually enjoy 10k’s, Because how could anyone actually enjoy 10k’s knowing that marathons exist? Even though this cyclist has never actually run a marathon or a 10k. I think that’s where the problem is, whether the cyclists have a point or not.… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

@Jeremy, I have no doubt Aunt Giggles or someone c&p’ing her will go off on this BS study.

Oh, yeah, because has-been Wharton MBA $usan is so good at science and sciencey stuff she’ll totally understand the premises, methodology and therefore conclusions. Yeah.

We are all ready…

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

He said:

Basically says that for a lot of people you will NEVER … be very successful with women … no matter how hard you try

He posts this in the number one spot on the net that tells you exactly how to be very successful with women

Attitude doesn’t buy, it sells

If you’re going to say Rollo is wrong here you better bring more than rage game

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@Sun,

Man, you killin’ me with the pics.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

I’m always up fer learnin’. Rocket and Andy have taught me a few things while commenting here. The things they’ve taught are lessons I’d learned long ago, but seem to keep forgetting until someone stumbles in awkwardly to remind me. Guys that see themselves as ” lesser ” or other men as ” greater ” are often the hardest to reach. When you try to assist them, they get offended easily or will just doggedly question your points ad nauseam. Striver point about marathon running is true, but there is also the part about mastering the mental that is key.… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“If I ask 10 guys a question, and I get 10 similar answers, what does it say about me if I were to just reject all of the answers because ” I just don’t like when others think they know more than me”? Wtf man?” @Blax Thanks for talking to me man. Well, part of it is that I can’t help but see some bro-love going on here. To the point where people will tell me I’m getting emotional, or I’m making mistake X or mistake Z… Then Bro-Love Brother Joe comes on and makes the same f’n mistakes and… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
5 years ago

Good stuff, Blax

What the red-pill has taught me…

– You will never get a positive result from a negative attitude
– Self-fulfilling prophesy is a motherfucker
– Outcome Independence is not just a behavior, it’s a life strategy
– See the world for how it truly is, not for how you wish it to be
– Don’t wish it was easier… (you know the rest)

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Blaximus

Sometimes the Monkey King would rather sit in a tree and tease his opponents than fight them. Memes do the job quite nicely.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Blaximus
My belief is that the correct mindset is more than half the battle in a majority of circumstance. Irl I have been able to do things that I thought I could only dream of, until I stopped dreaming and put in the mental and physical effort to do..shit, of all kinds.

Napoleon Bonaparte (who did a lot of stuff)
The moral is to the physical as three to one.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

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SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Blax:

“If you’re commenting on a decidedly RP site, it’s assumed that you are trying to gain knowledge to apply in life. Why come in and start throwing temper tantrums?”

With sugar babies on the line and him paying good money for them, Rocket has been cheating with his TRT (Testosterone replacement therapy). His replacement testosterone level is higher than it should be (admittedly a judgement call, but heh, who could blame him with SB’s on the line and all).

That’s simple ‘Roid Rage.

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago

@Andy Well, part of it is that I can’t help but see some bro-love going on here. To the point where people will tell me I’m getting emotional, or I’m making mistake X or mistake Z… Then Bro-Love Brother Joe comes on and makes the same f’n mistakes and nobody says a god-damn thing. So I have to keep that in the back of my mind. Like are you saying this because you believe it, or are you saying it because you don’t want piss off brother Joe. Are you suggesting that anyone on Rollo’s comment section gives a damn… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@Andy, Okay, I remove you and Rocket from the same category in my head. ” Well, part of it is that I can’t help but see some bro-love going on here. To the point where people will tell me I’m getting emotional, or I’m making mistake X or mistake Z… Then Bro-Love Brother Joe comes on and makes the same f’n mistakes and nobody says a god-damn thing. So I have to keep that in the back of my mind. Like are you saying this because you believe it, or are you saying it because you don’t want piss off… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

SJF,

” With sugar babies on the line and him paying good money for them, Rocket has been cheating with his TRT (Testosterone replacement therapy). His replacement testosterone level is higher than it should be (admittedly a judgement call, but heh, who could blame him with SB’s on the line and all).

That’s simple ‘Roid Rage.”

Ohhh, that’s fucked up. Funny as hell though.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@Sun,

I saw Jet Li’s version of The Monkey King many years ago. This one looks hot though…

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCj-XP5cjOY?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360%5D

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago

Jesus christ, those are the kinds of movies China is making? Kinda Makes Jerry Bruckheimer’s movies look like “The Notebook”.

I want to be blind if that is the future of cinema.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Anonymous Reader

” The moral is to the physical as three to one.”

Lol, I’m gonna have to cosign Napoleon. That’s a phrase I never envisioned using.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

This is a tricky issue, of course – the whole MGTOW vs RedPill vs PUA distinctions, figuring out what sort and degree of telling another person what to do as being acceptable, etc. That’s why it keeps coming up. None of us argue about what is already accepted. Once we start talking about something other than brass tacks – i.e. this is what hypergamy is, this is how it manifests, this is a common strategy for women to enact, etc – we start running into the other focus of this site. That would be developing a mindset that allows for… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
5 years ago

@Forge the Sky There’s a saying, “Crazy people don’t know that they’re crazy” People will cling to their ego investments like flotsam from a shipwreck. Doesn’t matter if they’re subjective, toxic, or just plain false. They need them for the ‘world they wish it to be’… otherwise nothing makes sense. Red-pill aware men must learn to challenge everything. You throw away the ego investments, values, understandings, & behaviors that are no longer useful or you own them for what they are… buffers and coping mechanisms for parts of the ‘world as it is’ that we haven’t fully accepted and internalized… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Andy Then there’s the fact that I’ve been burnt by group-think over and over again. People all saying the same thing. Like exactly the same? When I was a bartender, I could predict which young women would be puking in the ladies room by the end of the night with about 90% precision, based in large part on the drinks that went out. The other bartenders and the barmaids were all of one mind, “Oh, no, another round of Long Island Iced Tea for the girls night out? Damn!”. Experience taught us that. Were we group-thinking, or were we reaching… Read more »

ExNewYorker
ExNewYorker
5 years ago

@Rollo,

I think Greg Cochran has frequently commented on that type of study:
https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2015/12/01/sex-and-the-brain/

It wouldn’t surprise me if Giggles had a weeklong post on the study. And then another week on how women are equal in upper body strength as men! (never mind the 3 std deviation difference, there are 5 lights!)

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Blaximus

The Chinese are so fucking awful at combining CGI and live action. They really should just make that flick an animated feature (honestly a lot of shit from the myth lends itself to it quite well) or tone it down and do live action. It’s not like they can’t make drop dead gorgeous movies, they just have no idea what they’re doing with CGI effects.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

<blockquote."That’s simple ‘Roid Rage.” Ohhh, that’s fucked up. Funny as hell though. It is simply fucked up because the message trying to be conveyed is not congruent with who the speaker is. In other words, if the commenter announced beforehand that he was posting while drunk, high on testosterone and sexually frustrated shortly after midnight, the message would be more congruent. Like this: “So I’ll answer SJF … the two faced lying asshole. SJF don’t know shit about me or my situation or my attitude. He’s a fucking dick. A prick of the worst kind, making assumptions about people and… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@Sun

Awwww Hell Yes!!! I have Hero at home…in a pile of dvds…somewhere.

It’s a beautifully put together film. Gotta watch it upconverted to 4k…as soon as I can find it.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

SJF,

I missed the whole drunk, TRT thing. I kinda zone out after ” he’s a fucking dick “. After that it was like *Charlie brown teacher voice* wahwah wah wah waahhhh…..

What the bloody hell? Okay, in that context ( don’t drink and type ) maybe all of the rambling makes more sense. In a way. I guess.

Dude. Has. Issues.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“Get it? Empty your cup.”

Sigh, I think part of my problem is just the nature of this place. I’ve got some random dude named “Anonymous Reader” comparing himself to a zen master and telling me to empty my cup… And people question why I want to filter information?!?

Anyway, I’ll bite. Give me day to empty my cup.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Rocket would do well to keep in mind some of the 48 Laws of Power when trying to interact with the crowd on the internet. Law 3 Conceal your Intentions Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what you are up to, they cannot prepare a defense. Guide them far enough down the wrong path, envelope them in enough smoke, and by the time they realize your intentions, it will be too late. Law 4 Always Say Less than Necessary When you are trying to impress people… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Andy,

C’mon man, really? Anon Reader didn’t compare himself to a Zen master.

You really didn’t get the ” empty your cup ” reference? Really?

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

@Amit: Bruv, I have to ask; what the fuck is up in the UK? All these rinsing and toxic masculinity docs I keep seeing from CH4 & the BBC, not to mention all the betafied white knights that always appear in these videos?

What’s your take on the UK? The F.I is doing a serious number on men there…

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“You really didn’t get the ” empty your cup ” reference? Really?”

I’m Assuming he’s saying I’m not in a state of mind that is receptive to new information.

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
5 years ago

Great thread, hit tip to Forge the Sky on female cues and Scribblerg on a different dimension to alpha.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Rollo: “I don’t sell cures, I educate doctors one man at a time.”

That’s the plaque to nail over your door.

@Sun Wukong: I’ve been known to run Hero on loop as a moving picture.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Andy

“I’m Assuming he’s saying I’m not in a state of mind that is receptive to new information.”

That is my take on you. In my opinion, you are in the fog of war. The inter-sexual war complicated gravely by having the burden of perfomance (work to support family) and the young children taking your time and energy, and a wife who’s biological imperative is to put the children first and your imperatives third.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Sigh, I think part of my problem is just the nature of this place. You mean, part of your problem is … The Internet? Oh, noes! What can be done? I’ve got some random dude named “Anonymous Reader” comparing himself to a zen master and telling me to empty my cup… And people question why I want to filter information?!? The map is not the territory, the symbol is not the referent, and the label isn’t the contents. If the variously handled men who post here give you information that works what difference does the name make? Really, if someone… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

SJF to Andy
The inter-sexual war complicated gravely by having the burden of perfomance (work to support family) and the young children taking your time and energy, and a wife who’s biological imperative is to put the children first and your imperatives third.

Perfect. Perfect summary.

Andy, we can help you, if you’ll just quit fighting with reality.
Forget “ought”, let’s get down to deal with “is”.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago


Always Say Less than Necessary

Oh! Me, sir! I have a 6,000 word essay on this Law! I’ll be posting it soon…

Amit
Amit
5 years ago

@kobayashii1681 Hey mate, for me, the UK is not far behind the US when it comes to FI saturation. The news media, all the various talk shows are skewed. White knights are deemed righteous, political correctness gone too far etc. Just yesterday there was a news segment regarding fat acceptance and the whole ‘plus size’ thing being pushed as normal. Rollo does link to many Daily Mail articles here and you can see how they “report”. Of course I simply was not aware of this obviousness around me before stumbling onto this blog. One bright spark is that we have… Read more »

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

@ Rollo:
“I don’t sell cures, I educate doctors one man at a time.”

This is so apt.
Even without selling, it is good that you are great at advertising and branding, which helps attract men to come here to learn and improve.

I just made the connection that your understanding of men and women has to be a strong part of what makes you good at your actual job (advertising, branding, whatever it is).

Have you seen a movie called “How to get ahead in advertising”?

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Andy, Anon Reader: “If the variously handled men who post here give you information that works what difference does the name make? The smart thing to do would be to…focus on the information. The stupid thing to do would be…to focus on the superficial stuff, like the handle or gravatar or some stuff like that.” I tried to post this yesterday but it got eaten by the spam filter. (from an article @ TheRedPillRoom by Ian Ironwood, “Red Pill Roles: The Praxeology of the Dominant Man) The thing is, the Red Pill isn’t an ideology, it’s a praxeology. Why does… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“The stupid thing to do would be…to focus on the superficial stuff, like the handle or gravatar or some stuff like that.” @AR I don’t focus on that. I’m just amused by the ridiculousness of how this is how I have to interact with like-minded people. “Hey, filter information all you want, but Game is something that is only learned by doing. ” I get in as much “doing” as I can. Which isn’t much sadly. lol. But I still learn some stuff here. Thanks to many kindly gentlemen that help me despite my trying to shit on them. lol.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“I’m just amused by the ridiculousness of how this is how I have to interact with like-minded people.”

Up until now Andy, you have not been amused. You have either been in a (grief) stage of denial, anger, bargaining, or depression. Once you are comfortably in the stage of Acceptance, you can relax and work on what needs to be done to have control over your circumstances and the direction of your life.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“Up until now Andy, you have not been amused.”

Yeah. It’s hard to tell when you’re in it. Funny how it’s disconnected from game progress though. Or seems to be at least partially.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Yeah. It’s hard to tell when you’re in it. Funny how it’s disconnected from game progress though. Or seems to be at least partially.” I take that to mean that you don’t understand that game is a hell of a lot more than scoring easy pussy. Morpheus: I imagine that right now, you’re feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole? Neo: You could say that. Morpheus: I see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. Ironically, that’s not far from… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
5 years ago

“Up until now Andy, you have not been amused. You have either been in a (grief) stage of denial, anger, bargaining, or depression. Once you are comfortably in the stage of Acceptance, you can relax and work on what needs to be done to have control over your circumstances and the direction of your life.” I’ll co-sign this with the caveat that you can a lot of self-improvement work done in the bargaining stage… “If I just do these things, my gf/wife will fuck me, women will find me attractive, the world will start to make sense again, etc.” Bargaining… Read more »

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“I take that to mean that you don’t understand that game is a hell of a lot more than scoring easy pussy.”

Hmmm, I mean obviously I read that it’s not but I’ve been learning really fast so if I didn’t/don’t understand it, it has been irrelevant to me either way. So far.

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

@Amit: It’s always funny watching Milo take on the FI… But man, the UK is in trouble. I recently came across this BBC doc by Amal Fashanu – completely out of sync with any reality by the way – about toxic masculinity and lad culture in football/soccer…Fuuuuck me! No responsibility on women, hyperagency is what’s the norm now. And the white knighting has shot to, as near as makes no difference, socially hyperbolic levels. Anyway, when I read a lot of the comments on those daily mail, etc articles I see the RP is beginning to trickle down – hopefully… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

kobayashii1681 we don’t need the red pill to trickle down. We need the red pill to seep sideways in the dirt, through the grassroots. That way no one will see what’s coming next…least of all the Soros funded feministas.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

“I don’t sell cures, I educate doctors one man at a time.”

http://replygif.net/i/1094.gif

Amit
Amit
5 years ago

@kobayashii1681

I think the trickle down will be slow but its going to get alot worse before it gets better.

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