Just Shut the Hell Up

Hello, I’m author Rollo Tomassi.

As one of the 3 ‘R’s of the manosphere, it’s important for me to encourage more men to unplug from the Matrix that is our present feminine-primary social order, but equally important is encouraging more women to sometimes just shut the hell up.

It’s not that men don’t value your thoughts (unsolicited, they often prove our points), it’s just that we don’t value all of them.

The world doesn’t need your opinion on everything. For example, what men should do with their provisioning and catering their lives by ‘Manning Up’ to fit your overblown sense of entitlement after you’ve exhausted your prime fertility window on the Bad Boys and criminals in your 20s. Hush!

Your contrived cries of sexism over the sexiness of who the next popular video game protagonist should be. Zip it!

Whether or not the color of your foundation is called “Sunset Earth” or “Neutral Beige”. Shut Up!

So as a public service I’ve made the following list of things men no longer need to hear women’s opinions on. Please take a moment away from Instagram to jot these down:

  • 50 Shades of Grey
  • Yoga pants
  • The thoroughly disproven 77¢ on the dollar ‘Wage Gap’ lie
  • Giggling about ‘Dad Bods’ being “sexy”
  • Your confusion about where all the good men have gone
  • Fat Acceptance
  • Red Pill Truths
  • ‘Designer cupcakes’ and hand-baked dog treats being examples of ‘female entrepreneurship’
  • Christian patriarchy in an age of feminine assimilation of religion
  • Any sentence that begins with, “As a woman I,…”
  • Pleas for men’s aid in advancing your feminist ideals at the United Nations after claiming not to ‘need’ men
  • Any form of flavored martinis (or boxed wine)
  • 50 Shades of Grey (again)
  • Whether or not your feminine responsibility to engage in traditional Holiday ‘cheer’ is un-feminist
  • And the complete lack of ethics in all forms of journalism

If you can control yourselves and hold back from further expressing your opinions on any of these topics we’ll let you keep weighing in (uh, heh) on important topics like blow job techniques and pole dancing classes for housewives in shape enough to pull it off.

But that’s a huge, big “if”.

Thanks, so much.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

295 comments on “Just Shut the Hell Up

  1. @Forge:

    “The Choir: It seems like you’re dealing with deeper shit than women here, bro.”

    When he was going through his crisis in youth, he inflicted pain on himself, perhaps even injury. I’m guessing he was a puncher, not a cutter. Although there were a few reasons for this, the most salient one was that pain validated his existence. After all, if there was pain, someone must be feeling it.

    “kfg: There is no try.”

    OK, I giggled.

    @Wild Man: “you can’t empathize?”

    No. I can synthesize my experience and observations and sympathize, but I cannot empathize.

    ” I have a deep exuberant aggression ”

    Q.E.D.

    “I have put that in the service of the egalitarian.”

    Q.E.D.

    ” I’m not going to change my conviction. If I do – I will go to hell on earth.”

    Q.E.D.

    “I will never do it (unless I truly have no choice)”

    Some cups can never be emptied without smashing them. See V for Vendetta. The graphic novel, not the movie.

    “That makes us brothers. There is nothing else.”

    I have cousins.

  2. @Wild Man

    It can be terrifying to find a new target for your instincts. You don’t know clearly what they might do. I’ve felt that. But there are options other than egalitarianism and violence.

    I intuit you have a pathology you don’t know the source of, which your current ego investments are keeping under control. Find its source, resolve it, and you will be free to investigate new paradigms. It is not natural for a man to be unreflexively violent, as you perceive you would be without your ideological chains.

    As to your comment to me, it borders on non-sequitor. Human instincts drive us towards each other. Yes, there is solidarity there. But it’s not predicated on some mystical connection. You’re using facile arguments to reassure yourself that you don’t need to take new perspectives seriously. That’s an ego defense.

    You’ll do the same to this comment to, of course. Where emotions are water egos are stone. And words are a blunt chisel. But maybe a chip here, a chip there….

  3. @Rollo – “Individually life is a messy and cruel affair, but together as adversaries they make the other a better version of itself.”

    Yes – they really are collaborators. When you see this with humans – it humbles you, it makes you love everybody. It makes you love your enemy too. Everybody is just doing the best they can. Somebody like me has a desire to make people aware of that. I guess I’m not doing a very good job.

    1. Pray that you make strong enemies. They make you more capable or they make you dead.

      Complementarity can be cruel depending on the circumstance, but it’s been the dynamic that’s made us a better species.

      Egalitarianism only leads to homogeny, stagnation and extinction.

  4. Well kfg beat me to it, if you’d like the ‘1/4 as many words’ version. I need to bust out my old Strunk and White, damn.

    “Ok, I giggled.”

    Lol fucking finally.

  5. @Rollo – “Complementarity can be cruel depending on the circumstance, but it’s been the dynamic that’s made us a better species.”

    If you mean that of the sexual selection aspect of humanity, yes, I think that is correct.

    “Egalitarianism only leads to homogeny, stagnation and extinction.”, – if you mean that for sexual selection aspect of humanity, then, yes, as the correlate of the above, correct.

    “Egalitarianism only leads to homogeny, stagnation and extinction.”, – if by this you also mean the survival selection aspect of humanity – you are wrong. Because the egalitarian is the golden key for humanity’s sublime future. Humanity is not the same as the rest of nature in this respect. We have superseded survival selection pressures, as our own agency now allows for work arounds. The egalitarian honors this agency. As a species we cheat death in this way, except for only one survival selection pressure for which there is no work around – the survival selection pressure of the non-egalitarian mindset taking ascendancy over the egalitarian mindset – the need for humans to make and then kill human enemies, instead of seeking collaboration. That worked just fine for adroitly shaping humanity before (same as all the rest of life), but won’t now. That will now mean the end, or at least the end of the sublime, humanity to be thrust back into the baser circumstance of life-proper once again (if we are lucky). WE MUST NOT DO THIS.

    A man’s birthright (the one he will grow into) is exuberant aggression. This is as it should be. This masculine power seeks an enemy or a frontier. Expansion of the egalitarian to include all mankind is now that frontier. And from there we will see the new abstract frontiers on that horizon.

    If we can achieve this, humanity will be supercharged into something almost unrecognizable, except the flavor of human agency will still be at it’s core.

    There is only one way – and that is forward, as it has always been for us.

    The best of men that came before, a long time ago, told us this. It is true. Now is the hyper-critical juncture. Time is running out. I am optimistic.

  6. I hear a lot from Americans about Europeans deserving this and that for voting for something or other. And than I find out the Americans elected that thing for a senator? You must be kidding.

  7. Oh, yeah, forgot to comment about something Gregg said–that doing emotional manipulation is feminine. Is leadership a masculine or feminine quality? Masculine. Do the best leaders manipulate their subjects? Macchiavelli answered that question–the answer is “yes”. Manipulation is typically based on emotions. Sure, women manipulate men’s emotions as a shit test. And women manipulate the emotions of other women in order to dominate them. It’s practice so that they can shit test men.

    So, Gregg is wrong to accuse men of acting feminine just because they manipulate women’s emotions.

  8. “Because the egalitarian is the golden key for humanity’s sublime future. Humanity is not the same as the rest of nature in this respect. We have superseded survival selection pressures, as our own agency now allows for work arounds.”

    @WildMan

    ?????

    You can’t just “work around” millions of years of evolution. From a birds eye level yeah I guess we are equal, but that doesn’t mean anything. Functionally when you’re talking about actual relationships there’s an unequal complimentary dynamic. Are you talking about some sort of Star Trek future where everything is so abundant that there’s no crime or wars and everyone focuses on art and enlightenment or something? Even then there’s going to be inequality in male and female sexual selection. You can’t just be like “We’ve made it! OKay ladies! You no longer have to only be attracted to men with options! You can start being attracted to the guys that worship the ground you walk on… Startinggggg NOW!” Not going to happen. If you don’t deny that, then I guess I just don’t get the point.

  9. EurEye,

    “I hear a lot from Americans about Europeans deserving this and that for voting for something or other. And than I find out the Americans elected that thing for a senator? You must be kidding.”

    I hate that line of thinking. Solidarity should be the order of the day. It calls to mind Ben Franklin’s line about how we must hang together or we will all most assuredly hang separately.

  10. Women compete with each other. Men compete with each other. Women shit test men. Men shiv test women. Crime. Kinship and race-based movements abound.

    None of that is going away any time soon, even if we all sing Kumbaya. There will be some cooperation and synthesis, but that will be partial and will be an inducement to be manipulated and used.

  11. @theasdgamer

    “Sophisticated people sneer at feel-good comedies and saccharine romances in which all loose ends are tied and everyone lives happily ever after. Life is nothing like that, we note, and we look to the arts for edification about the painful dilemmas of the human condition. Yet when it comes to the science of human beings, this same audience says: Give us schmaltz!” – Steven Pinker

  12. @ Dutchman

    Dude, referencing Pinker, with his Evo-Psych is just gonna be so persuasive with me, lol. Not. “Science”, lol.

    “How the Laws of Physics Lie” is a philosophical examination of experimental physics, arguably the discipline for which we have the most confidence because of its rigor and our ability to control the experimental conditions. Cartwright demolishes that confidence.

    If experimental physics lacks confidence, how much more Evo-Psych!

    NB: Cartwright’s book is very heavy duty. Lots of math and physics. You pretty much have to be a physicist to understand it.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0198247044?*Version*=1&*entries*=0

  13. Pinker’s statement lines up really well with your statement about signing Kumbaya in hopes that it will lead to a situation where feminist egalitarianism really is realized and hypergamy actually does care.

  14. @andy

    Wild Man miiight be trying to sneak some transhumanism in through the back door. Which, I mean, fine. But why not come out and say as much.

    @Dutchman

    Good quote. I don’t mind idealistic art, it can be aspirational. Or at least good fun. But idealistic science is a magnifying glass upon human weakness.

  15. Asdgamer……..dude…..check yourself. On every board you comment you come off like a spaz.

    And nobody wants advice from a spaz.

  16. @ Dutchman

    Pinker’s statement lines up really well with your statement about signing [sic] Kumbaya in hopes that it will lead to a situation where feminist egalitarianism really is realized and hypergamy actually does care.

    Sure. Still, it implies that we can somehow do science better when it comes to human beings and I have no confidence that we can actually do that. Rollo’s work is mostly art, with a little econ thrown in. Rollo’s work is helpful, but we must still examine it carefully. We need more data points and less preaching to the choir. We need some alternative RP theories.

    That went a bit afield from the previous comment.

  17. @ annoying

    Asdgamer……..dude…..check yourself. On every board you comment you come off like a spaz.

    And nobody wants advice from a spaz.

    Not sure if you’re talking about tone or ideas. You might take a bit to let my ideas percolate. Read, take a break, then come back and read again. If I’m not connecting the dots, then maybe I need to develop my ideas more in my comments.

    We have to be careful about calling ideas “spastic”. The Red Pill seems “spastic” to Blue Pillers, for example.

    One does what one can.

  18. Best line from that survivor flick.

    “I’m doing a selfie know because you really need to know how I’m feeling”

    Solipsism at its best.

  19. A vote of confidence and social proof here for Asdgamer from me. Who’s Geez?

    He’s concise, he’s fun, he endorses red pill and game. He’s older and wiser and married, been there and done a few things. He’s also putting himself out there one his edge while still employing Law #30.

    You can always scroll down past, but I don’t find the need.

  20. One of the markers of blue-pill blindness is an obsession with what ought to be, rather than what is. “Women and men ought to be as I believe them to be! Why aren’t women the way they ought to be?”

    Walls of text can be indicators of unclear thinking. An idea that is clear in the mind of the writer can be expressed in a simple, direct fashion, such as “women are not men with boobs, men are not inferior women; the blank slate is bullshit”. Or “Sexual dimporphism and hidden estrus are the reason for women’s superior subcommunication skills”.

    Unpacking these ideas takes text. Expressing them does not require a wall of text.

    Finally:
    gregg – as a former sysadmin, my advice to you is simple: “Down, not across”.

    Wild Person – the train is fine. Really.

  21. Eckhart Tolle still gets a hard on when he sees a Playboy centerfold. You might believe you’re the ghost in the machine, but the machine still defines your experience and existence.

    The fact that we share a common capacity for the language we use to type out these concepts confirms the machine’s influence.

  22. Because the egalitarian is the golden key for humanity’s sublime future.

    First question: Why?
    Seriously, why is your pet fantasy a golden key to anything? Do you truly not get that egalitarianism in practice led to some of the bloodiest, ghastliest, disasters of the 20th century?

    Second question: what predictive ability is gained by embracing egalitarianism?
    Second stage feminism made a lot of predictions about how life would be once feminism was firmly in place. Have any of them come true?

    A way of thinking that leads to a man raging against reality in sheer frustration would appear to be not a very good way to think.

    It is not easy to accept that one has believed a falsehood. I know that from personal experience. But clinging to that falsehood in the face of evidence to the contrary is not a good way, not at all.

  23. @ASD which particular bit of hard sciences do you think “lacks confidence”? The reviews of that book on Amazon indicate that most real world situations are complex to describe from “first principles”. That doesn’t mean the first principles lack confidence: controlled experiments have proven many of those laws, and higher level “laws” derived from those first principles can be trusted and remain very useful.

    Newtonian gravitation is superseded by relativity, but you don’t need relativity to build bridges (you do need it to have accurate GPS).

    I don’t want to get into the soft sciences…

  24. I find Wildman’s solipsistic ramblings to be curious. What does he think he’s imparting to us? Some imagined dichotomy that reveals an ontological truth he doesn’t bother to define?

    @Wildman – While I’m in no way overwhelmed by your use of language, you are intentionally obtuse and obscurantist, and flirt with pseudo-intellectuality. Even more grating yet is then positing that this dyad of nonsense is the ineluctable result of your existential crisis. That by adopting egalitarianism as a basic point of view you avoided insanity and violent impulses you possess uniquely, but have valiantly restrained. Fyi, I cosign KFG’s lack of empathy for all you assert as universal for men.

    I have a suggestion for you: Stop trying to sound like a fucking guru or seer – you aren’t. Stop with the breezy tone of presumed superiority as it appears there is no basis for it. Get off your fucking throne and come down here with the rest of us schlubbs, grubbing around in the muck, half blind and guessing.

    You might drink this in and then take one more suggestion. How about asking some direct, simple questions of us and Rollo? How about making come plain declarative statements about your “argument” and POV? By bringing so much other crap to your comments – the pose if you will – I can barely stay interested enough to try and peel back your bullshit in search of the gold.

    Welcome. Nice to make your acquaintance. I like the effort…Fyi, you are alpha dogging and dominating here reflexively – your entire presence here is an AMOG. I don’t get an egalitarian vibe from you at all. I get that you think you are not one among many here but rather want to sort us out.

    Just sayin’…

  25. In nearly 50 years on this planet I’ve met a handful of women that I would be willing to listen to wjho could discuss foreign policy, economics, etc.
    IMho women were better off in the kitchen, barefoot, pregnant and under the thumb of someone with a brain ( a man ). The pandoras box has been opened and our civilization is in decline. Just watch to see how badly hillary fucks up america. It’s all downhill from here folks.

  26. Are we really going to argue free will and biological determinism here? In this place? This entire space is about understanding how we are at the effect of ineffable forces we are only beginning to understand.

    I’m re-reading Edward O Wilson’s The Social Conquest of Earth. For a good part of the early going he describes how inclusive selection and Kin selection are actually inadequate models for explaining uSociality as observed in ants and humans – and very few other species. We are just starting to crack how group selection works, and when this additional layer of selection is added into the model, it affects how we see basic things such as phenotype and it doesn’t get much more groundbreaking than that (it could be that men are basically part of the female phenotype).

    None of this is sorted out yet. What is clear is that our ecology and biology are very strong drivers of behavior. What’s very clear is that rationality is often nothing of the sort and that how human’s make choices and decisions is not well understood. Just look at the complete joke a field like “Behavioral Economics” is to see how awful things can become when we assume humans behave rationally.

    Let’s talk about our lives here, not how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Wildman, how’s it going in your world?

  27. Thanks for the votes of confidence, @SJF and @lh. Geez is probably some young skull-full-of-mush. I’m sure he has a bright future. lol

    @IAS, Rollo

    If you look at Cartwright’s simple conclusion, then all that experimental physics results prove is that they are really just special cases and can’t be applied outside the lab and in certain special real life cases. We are like blind men trying to describe an elephant. We know much less than we think we do. Cartwright is very clever and duplicitous in her mental workings like any broad. Fun to read for me.

    The take away is that engineering is more important than physics. Without massive input from engineering, there would have been no atomic bomb. Physics gave a hint, but engineering had to make something that actually worked. More than once in history, physics theory has been reverse engineered from observations by engineers. The Carnot Cycle, for one. Second Law of Thermodynamics, for another.

    Physics is useful, but we must hold onto a skepticism about confidence claims for Physics.

    As regards physics theory, there are some problems where it seems that both Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity cannot be true. Hence no Grand Unified Theory.

  28. What’s very clear is that rationality is often nothing of the sort and that how human’s make choices and decisions is not well understood.

    “Man is not a rational animal. Man is a rationalizing animal”.

    – Robert A. Heinlein via the character “Lazurus Long”

  29. @Koboyashi – Disgusting. The reaction is just so precious, she can’t believe that people are disgusted by her thinking about using the detritus of her yeast infection as the starter for sourdough bread. As though it’s just some whacky idea – not an intentionally politicized radfem-cunt social media stunt. Like everyone thinks about smearing the sebaceous ooze of a festering vaginal yeast infection into bread dough. Sure, yeah, why not.

    But the problem in society is me and all white men. Not fucked up, headcase cunts running around smearing their infectious oooze into bread dough and then complaining that the public disgust with said act is backlash. No, she’s fine, it’s me who has to change.

  30. But scribbler, don’t you see her body is producing life? The goddess! Watch in awe. It seems this one can’t do better.

  31. @ASD: without having read the book I can’t say, but I think “duplicitous” seems like an accurate description of it, and some of the reviews on Amazon called her on it.

    Fairly basic Physics, and neglecting those small effects, can still describe and better than that, predict things pretty well.

    Of course Physics needs to be reverse engineering from Nature, that is basically what the word means in Greek.

    I’m not sure I will convince anyone but I’ll try once more.
    Real situations get very complicated, very fast. There will be many small effects, some of which are hard to quantify and can’t always be neglected.

    It isn’t as much that scientists don’t know enough to apply “outside the lab” but that if you try to do “Engineering” (Applied Physics) from a “Physics” (first principles) setup you will run out of computational power.

    Speaking of computational power, pretty much all of modern technology comes fairly directly from what was fundamental research (not Engineering) less than 200 years ago.

    The problem with getting a quantum mechanical version of the general relativity is an issue, but for the foreseeable future it is a complete non-issue for anyone that cares more for engineering than physics.

    To put what I’m trying to get across in RP terminology, it seems to me that Cartwright’s apparent dismissal of current scientific knowledge is akin to a woman or a Blue Pill man criticizing some general RP truth with “NAWALT” because each person is so complicated and we are all special snowflakes. Although sometimes the small effects of the individual woman’s personality can’t be neglected…

    Fairly basic RP, and neglecting those small effects, can still describe and better than that, predicts things pretty well.

  32. Oh, and by the way: mouthy “shut up, men” Claire in the vid at the top of this posting is a 2nd stage feminist, and she’s surely all about teh equalitarianism…

  33. @ IAS

    “duplicitous” seems like an accurate description of it, and some of the reviews on Amazon called her on it.

    Better to read what the Philosophers of Physics wrote about the book. It’s a milestone in the field. Cartwright is well-respected and this is her best stuff. It made me think.

    Nancy Cartwright’s Philosophy of Science is an excellent collection of thought-provoking essays on Cartwright’s many and varied contributions to philosophy of science. Cartwright is without doubt one of the most influential philosophers of science writing today and a volume like the present one has long been overdue. Her contributions have been seminal in many different areas: her work on models and idealizations, for example, played an important role in the development of an entire sub-discipline in philosophy of science focusing on the role of models in application driven science, and her widely-cited work on causal laws and effective strategies has helped frame the contemporary debate on the role of causation in science.

    https://ndpr.nd.edu/news/23952-nancy-cartwright-s-philosophy-of-science/

    This is easier to read and descriptive.

    http://www.thur.de/philo/project/cartwright.htm

    The following opponent is very charitable towards Cartwright.

    But to defend fundamental laws is not to challenge the overall accuracy and utility of Cartwright’s evolving picture of how science works.

    http://personal.lse.ac.uk/robert49/teaching/ph201/Week09_Hoefer.pdf

  34. @ IAS

    The problem with getting a quantum mechanical version of the general relativity is an issue, but for the foreseeable future it is a complete non-issue for anyone that cares more for engineering than physics.

    You have just expressed a couple of key statements by Cartwright.

  35. @Andy

    … that’s pure cold-fusion-based bullshit.

    “BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) of Cranbury, New Jersey is a company founded by Randell L. Mills, who claims to have discovered a new energy source. The purported energy source is based on Mills’ assertion that the electron in a hydrogen atom can drop below the lowest energy state known as the ground state. Mills calls these hypothetical hydrogen atoms that are in an energy state below ground level, “hydrinos”.[1] Mills self-published a closely related book, The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics and has co-authored articles on claimed hydrino-related phenomena.”

    We need alternatives for QM as it’s an imperfect model in need of revision or replacement, but crackpots peddling yet another fake technology intended to steal gullible VC dollars are not where it’s going to come from.

  36. “Physics is useful, but we must hold onto a skepticism about confidence claims for Physics.”

    If you push it hard enough, it will fall over. It is, however, a principle of science that all confidence claims be held onto with a certain scepticism. Science isn’t a dogma.

    Yet it works well enough that you are here by applied physics that would not have been discovered by tinkering in the shed. Quantum Mechanics was necessary for the engineers to work with.

    The fact that it is engineering that gives us “stuff,” not physics, which only gives us ideas, is a tautology. As has been pointed out, that’s what the words mean.

    Certainly engineering precedes physics by hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of years. The idea of deriving abstract, quantified general principles from our tinkering about with “stuff” is a fairly advanced one.

    “As regards physics theory, there are some problems where it seems that both Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity cannot be true. Hence no Grand Unified Theory.”

    I predicted that there might well be no GUT (or that a GUT would be analogous to Ptolemy’s epicycles), because impossible, decades ago, but it has nothing to do with a problem in physics, it has to do with a problem in maths.

    Maths is the language of physics. By Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem if a theory of algebra is logically consistent there will be at least one statement which is true, but cannot be proven within that theory.

    Note carefully, the statement which cannot be proven is true.

    The problem with uniting Special Relativity with Quantum Theory may well be the physical manifestation of Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem.
    This does not mean that either SR or QT must be false. It means that they must be described with two theories of algebra, so that all true statements about each can be proven.

    “I’m also a QM skeptic. But then again so was Einstein.”

    The famous feud over QM between Einstein and Bohr ended with Einstein sending Bohr a letter which read, “Thank you for proving me wrong.”

  37. “We need alternatives for QM as it’s an imperfect model in need of revision or replacement, but crackpots peddling yet another fake technology intended to steal gullible VC dollars are not where it’s going to come from.”

    That’s the ONLY way it will ever happen. You have to realize that. It’s a religion. If you don’t believe that the cat can be dead and alive at the same time then you aren’t a believer. They weed out rational thinkers in the second year of undergrad. You cannot get a man to understand something when his salary (and life’s work) depend upon him not understanding it.

  38. “May I interest you in investing in my Reactionless Drive?”

    @kfg

    Hey man, don’t judge until you’ve actually looked into it.

  39. @Andy

    That’s the ONLY way it will ever happen

    Yeah, and Deepak Chopra is the only guy who’ll have the cure for cancer, just give him time.

    It’s a religion

    Bullshit. It’s gotten results. Praying has never made a multicore processor at a 15nm process a reality, but engineering processes based on QM have. There’s your stark contrast between religion and science. Science, while acknowledging its imperfection, usually gets intended results. Religion, while claiming its perfection, almost always fails to deliver the intended results.

    Good physicists and engineers are the first ones to complain about QM’s failings, but they’re also well aware of (and quite happy with) it’s successes. Denying those successes because it’s not 100% perfect is placing religious expectations on scientific process. Unrealistic dogmatic bullshit in the extreme.

    Good scientific process accepts that all Laws are in fact only close approximations of reality, but that doesn’t stop them from being right enough to be useful.

  40. Hell if I’m being real, complaining about the tools you have is half of being a good engineer. The other half is making them suck a little bit less.

    That’s the complete opposite of a religion.

  41. @Andy: you are making some massive generalizations there.

    Given that this is Red Pill, we can joke about having a Schrodinger’s baby setup where you don’t know if a kid is yours or another guy until the paternity test.

    No one that actually understands Quantum Mechanics actually thinks a cat or any macroscopic system can be in a quantum superposition. This is just popular media or philosophers talking about the science that propagate this silly notion. Quantum superposition does occur though, it was tested many times in the lab and scientists try to push up on the size of the “system” can be placed in a superposition state.

    There are indeed a few “believers” even in STEM, it is a bit of human nature, typically they are older and set in their way and can delay progress if they are sufficiently powerful.
    But that kind of mentality is much more commonplace with Social “scientists” (who don’t even deserve the name). Examples of the difference can be found in the very good documentary:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1vuho8/the_documentary_that_made_scandinavians_cut_all/

  42. @Andy:

    Life is short, while crackpots and conmen are plenty. I do not have time to look into every con out there. Some, however, can be practically looked into in a matter of minutes.

    I have looked into BlackLight Power and the shoe is now on his foot. He has a “theory,” now all he need do is demonstrate the practical reality behind that theory, a hydrogen atom with below ground state energy.

    In the meantime there is nothing further for me to see and I can safely turn my attention (and money) elsewhere.

    Were I a conman I could generate any number of theories and prove every one of them mathematically. I would, however, in order to extract money from you, need to employ a bit of legerdemain to keep you focused on my right hand, while my left hides the false premise the theory was founded upon.

    1. @Andy
      “You cannot get a man to understand something when his salary (and life’s work) depend upon him not understanding it.”
      http://cyj.me/2008/pdf/philosophy_time_travel.pdf
      Many beat ideals die that way and some service while some observations get destroyed by the offended.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pillaOxGCo
      Imagination should be used, not to escape reality but to create it.
      The worst crimes are not committed by evil degenerates, but by decent and intelligent people taking ‘pragmatic’ decisions.
      These men are in prison: that is the Outsider’s verdict. They are quite contented in prison—caged animals who have never known freedom; but it is prison all the same. And the Outsider? He is in prison too: nearly every Outsider in this book has told us so in a different language; but he knows it. His desire is to escape. But a prison-break is not an easy matter; you must know all about your prison, otherwise you might spend years in tunnelling, like the Abbe in The Count of Monte Cristo, and only find yourself in the next cell.
      Man is brilliant at solving problems; but solving them only makes him the victim of his own childishness and laziness. It is this recognition that has made almost every major philosopher in history a pessimist.
      Colin Wilson

  43. To put what I’m trying to get across in RP terminology, it seems to me that Cartwright’s apparent dismissal of current scientific knowledge is akin to a woman or a Blue Pill man criticizing some general RP truth with “NAWALT” because each person is so complicated and we are all special snowflakes. Although sometimes the small effects of the individual woman’s personality can’t be neglected…

    No, Cartwright’s arguing that you can’t study a man and apply your knowledge to a woman or to a frog or to an eagle…imperfect analogy.

    Cartwright is arguing against foundationalism aka fundamentalism.

    Cartwright isn’t dismissing physics knowledge wholesale. I think that she’s saying that it’s less useful than has been claimed.

  44. When anyone wants everyone else or a large portion of everyone else to “just shut the hell up”…… always consider their motives for doing so. When the voices of any portion of the community bothers a particular person, always consider that persons agenda. Such people always have somthing to hide or hide from.

    Consider the following taken from Wikipedia to be the tip of the iceberg concerning Senator McCaskills hidden agendas….

    From Wikipedia – On March 16, 2011, McCaskill told reporters that she was “embarrassed” about revelations that her office had used taxpayer money for the senator’s use of a private airplane she co-owned with her husband and friends. According to a government audit, the plane was used for 90 flights taken between Washington, D.C., and her home in suburban St. Louis, as well as to numerous sites around the state of Missouri. According to McCaskill’s Senate office, all but 1 of the 90 flights in question were within Senate rules. As soon as the story broke, Senator McCaskill sent a check for $88,000 to the U.S. Treasury as reimbursement for the flights.[28] The Missouri Republican Party filed a formal complaint with the Senate Ethics Committee on March 16. In response McCaskill said, “The Missouri Republican Party is going to try to ride this horse as long as they can. They’re going to try to make this as big a deal as they can. Them filing the ethics complaint is about as surprising as the sun coming up”.[29] On March 21, 2011, Politico reported that McCaskill had failed to pay more than $280,000 in property taxes on the plane and was planning to sell it. “I have convinced my husband to sell the damn plane”, McCaskill said on a conference call with reporters. “I will never set foot on the plane again”.[29] The Senate Ethics Committee has yet to comment on the matter.

    The plane, a 2001 Pilatus PC-12, is stored at Spirit of St. Louis Airport, McCaskill confirmed. It is owned by Timesaver LLC, a Delaware-based corporation. McCaskill noted that she had paid $38,800 in sales taxes on the plane, and she only recently became aware that Missouri also imposed a property tax on private aircraft. She said she was “disappointed” in herself for not ensuring that Timesaver LLC paid the property taxes. “Frankly, having the plane owned in Delaware would not negate the necessity of paying the personal property tax in Missouri,” she said. “This is a mistake. It should have been reported in Missouri. It was owed in Missouri. It will be paid in Missouri today”.[29]

  45. @Andy

    “That’s the ONLY way it will ever happen. You have to realize that. It’s a religion. If you don’t believe that the cat can be dead and alive at the same time then you aren’t a believer. They weed out rational thinkers in the second year of undergrad. ”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance#Argument_from_incredulity.2FLack_of_imagination

    Arguments from incredulity take the form:

    —–P is too incredible (or: I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true); therefore P must be false.
    I cannot imagine how P could possibly be false; therefore P must be true.
    These arguments are similar to arguments from ignorance in that they too ignore and do not properly eliminate the possibility that something can be both incredible and still be true, or appear to be obvious and yet still be false.—–

  46. “I’m pretty sure the most spiritual descendants of the people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima believe in the concreteness of physics.”

    Hehe…Damn! Couldn’t have said it better.

  47. @Scribblerg: It’s bat shit neuroses of the highest order!
    @lh: This really is what can be summed up as the “successes” of feminism!

    To my fellow RMers…You need to watch South Park this season, as Sun said! Effing brilliant fam!

  48. Like all rich white women, this cow needs to shut up about every bloody thing under the sun. Someone so privileged is highly unlikely to say anything that isn’t self-serving.

  49. @Andy

    “We need alternatives for QM as it’s an imperfect model in need of revision or replacement, but crackpots peddling yet another fake technology intended to steal gullible VC dollars are not where it’s going to come from.”

    That’s the ONLY way it will ever happen. You have to realize that. It’s a religion. If you don’t believe that the cat can be dead and alive at the same time then you aren’t a believer. They weed out rational thinkers in the second year of undergrad. You cannot get a man to understand something when his salary (and life’s work) depend upon him not understanding it.

    You’re implying faith where none exists.

    Scientists don’t “believe” that Shroedingers cat is both dead and alive, they simply have no better explanation for the behavior of the world of the quantum. This is not a belief system, it’s a “best explanation” for what engineering (real world science) has shown us.

    QM makes no sense and anyone who tells you they understand it is either on drugs, or insane. This is not a church of the quanta, it’s simply the best set of wild explanations for this world-of-the-small that scientists have come up with at this point. This is not a failing of science, it’s a failing of human imagination. The world of the quantum literally does not behave in any manner of which humans are readily familiar. Particles pop into and out of existence with no (real) explanation, forces exist that we have no familiarity with, and the whole concept of mass/matter (as poorly described as it is already) breaks down at those levels.

    Science doesn’t shun people with crazy explanations of QM, frankly they welcome it because the math they currently use for it has very few predictive powers as compared to, say Newtons Laws. The failing is not with science, or a cabal of scientists, the failing is human imagination with what it is totally unfamiliar.

    Humanity went through a similar period when it was trying to discover why the stars exist. All humans new from early times was that the stars seemed to have predictive powers, they would tell people when it was time to move to a warmer location because winter was coming. It would tell you when to harvest your crops. The stars would tell you all kinds of things that were helpful to your own survival when we were just another species that lived in small groups trying to survive in the wilderness.

    Humanity built religions based on what they believed were the gods talking to them. Humans literally built religion and mysticism on the night sky because it was the best their imagination could do to explain why this arrangement of lights in a dark night seemed to direct their entire lives.

    From this perspective and paradigm it took people regarded as insane, who themselves were probably drug users or literally crazy, to recognize that the earth was not the center of the universe. It took people with wild imagination, beyond the normal to begin to see that Earth was just another planet, much like the planets that moved in strange orbits, and that we all moved around the sun. It took further leaps of imagination to grasp that the stars were other suns far far away, and some of them were whole galaxies further away still.

    Human imagination is limited by what it has some familiarity with. Quantum Mechanics is totally unfamiliar, and science is simply doing the best it can with limited human imagination. It’s not a dogma, and most people who really study the stuff are willing to entertain anyone’s imagination on the topic.

    If you want to solve for a grand unified theory, my advice is to do lots of drugs, preferably hallucinogens, and study physics at the same time.

  50. FR: despite being sick of playing, went to local dive for nightcap. Had to get out. Scene is kinda lame for Sat night. Caught some IOI’s fm young chick on other side of bar so gave her a wink after laser eyes. she comes over to piss off her date. Made a little small talk, she takes selfies with me. Asks my age (39), she’s 21. RP might be fun, but, dang a couple kids living in another state with ex-wife and a bastard just arrived this year babymomma hates me, worried where this new found knowledge is gonna take me.

  51. @SlatternsRing

    That’s….kinda sparse. How did you open her? Ask about her date? Did you disqualify yourself? Do any push/pull? Tease her about her need to take a selfie? When she asked your age did you just answer her, or did you make her work for it? Did you go for the number close? If not, why? How could you have?

  52. @Forge
    Yes, that was a bit sparse for an FR. After I saw she was IOI’ng, I walked past her to darts where a couple of the bartenders about my age were throwing and said hi, caught up for a couple minutes~ this is my old hometown watering hole. She came over to me about 3 mins after I went back to barstool. I opened her with “did you come over here to piss him off?”. She laughed and said yes, he’s not my boyfriend. Then started with selfies with me and was glancing over at dude. She asked how old I was, I said how old do you think I am. She asked how old I thought she was I said 22. Asked me again I said older than you. She said I’m actually 21. Exchanged names, i figure she’s about a HB 6-7, looked better across the bar. Didnt really want to play with her so I said I guess you’ll be going back over to your date, have a good night, she got up and walked back over, her and her guy buddy kept smiling and waving and stuff. On way to bathroom I introduced myself to her buddy since I felt a little sorry for him. He ended up coming over later when she was is in bathroom and told me they used to be fb’s and he was working on her for that night. I told him he had it locked up and to start playing with his phone when she was talking to him and to tell her he might have to leave to meet someone else. I think he did it, she was his ride so they left together a little bit later.
    Just found it interesting b/c this was my first time out since RP discovery. Pretty much seems like I have the other teams play chart, too easy. I’m not sure if I want to use the knowledge to bag more or go back MGTOW. N-count does not need to be any higher, probly need to develop more hunger before closing, for some reason the slutty ones arent appealing anymore.

  53. Pretty much seems like I have the other teams play chart, too easy. I’m not sure if I want to use the knowledge to bag more or go back MGTOW. N-count does not need to be any higher, probly need to develop more hunger before closing, for some reason the slutty ones arent appealing anymore.

    use your knowledge to be more selective. For me its a smart Kristen Bell with a great ass. Know what you want, go for it.

    Business Insider had a good review today of the Paradox of Choice:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/how-modern-life-is-screwing-up-millennials-2015-11

    As it says at the end:

    Nobody makes plans because something better might turn up, and the result is that nobody ever does anything

  54. Good article. Here’s some background- I’ve been Galt for a few years now, livin in a camper in the woods. Doing plumbing and home improvements or whatever to survive, ony way I could figure out to support and see kids. Corp jobs resulted in 65% child support 30% taxes couldn’t afford to drive legally to work much less pay rent. Kinda figured out women / blue pill system on my own after divorce/custody rape. Then went through another version with latest kid, his mother ditched me a month after I impregnated her and proceeded to sleep around while pregnant. I should write a book, but I dont think anyone would believe it. The shaming is incredible, from my parents it is the worst. Mom likes to talk to exes and arrange kid stuff with them behind my back. I’m considered crazy by family for not accepting the situation and being a good slave, so they ignore me and concentrate on their good feelz from being churchian socialists.

    Probly not a good time for dealing with women at all, despite new understandings.

  55. @SlatternsRing

    Holy hell man, sounds like you’ve been through the ringer. Thanks for posting here.

    I don’t blame you for withdrawing as you figure shit out. At the same time, just vaguely exercising the old game muscles every once in a while is a good thing – keeps you from becoming stale and bitter. Redlight is correct, now you can keep your eyes open, be more selective, and be able to capitalize on things when/if a good prospect crosses you path and you’re open to it.

    It’s cool you helped the other dude out. Maybe it worked, but it sounds like she was seriously trying to find a better prospect, so he had a hard uphill climb.

    It’s unbelievable the terrible game I see whenever I go to a bar. I’m tempted these days to help these dudes out – guys who have their hair and outfit perfect hoping to boost their confidence, then they stand in a corner swaying vaguely to the music hoping to be struck by lightning or something lol.

    “Just found it interesting b/c this was my first time out since RP discovery. Pretty much seems like I have the other teams play chart, too easy.”

    Do remember, though, that being able to read what’s happening doesn’t always translate to being able to close. I mention that just because it’s easy to become blase and above-it-all if you just watch from the sidelines. Like armchair quarterbacking. Redpill is very helpful in developing mindsets, but it doesn’t automatically translate to good game. Good game needs occasional exercise, even if you had it mastered in the past once.

    “I’m not sure if I want to use the knowledge to bag more or go back MGTOW. N-count does not need to be any higher, probly need to develop more hunger before closing, for some reason the slutty ones arent appealing anymore.”

    Ya it sounds like you’re in a bit of a down/defeated mode right now. I mean, given your circumstance who wouldn’t be. That shit kills libido.

    Slutty girls seem to appeal to guys who are ecstatic and aggressive on testosterone. I phase in and out of that currently. Basically, it’s an aggressive form of the female mating dance, and you need to bring the aggressive male equivalent to be playing the same game. If you aren’t in that place (and it’s not necessarily a better place to be, it just has different priorities) the whole thing just seems blah. Like you’re hungry for food and someone served you a scotch. Just the wrong thing right now.

    “I should write a book, but I dont think anyone would believe it. The shaming is incredible, from my parents it is the worst. Mom likes to talk to exes and arrange kid stuff with them behind my back. I’m considered crazy by family for not accepting the situation and being a good slave, so they ignore me and concentrate on their good feelz from being churchian socialists. “

    Godspeed, man. The FI is strong. We’re living in a selectively oppressive society now, and the popular narrative has is bass ackwards. There’s some Red Guard type shit going on, and it’s necessary for everyone to stay silent about it. Or things would blow up. It sucks to hear even your family is in on it. Some women get more validation from grandchildren etc. than their own children. That’s strange. And foul.

  56. @SlatternsRing

    For myself the stuff that galls me the most is what happened with my kids during a three separation and custody battle with a highly manipulative bitch of an ex. I never in my wildest nightmares imagine she could be so toxic and manipulative with our children. The impact was devastating.

    Had I read this site a few years back it would have been soooooo helpful. Recently I’ve learned what it means to empty your cup and create a new Frame. At least for myself establishing a Frame I believe in one that makes me feel strong is what helps get through the bullshit manipulations of the ex. It also helps when the children turn their backs or mouth the bullshit they’ve heard from their mother. There is nothing worse as a father than your kids turning away from you after years of work and trying to be a good father. At the very least creating a good Frame for yourself is helpful to work through the pain. We all make mistakes and have to live with them. Those mistakes can be good reminders and lessons too.

    I feel for you dude, it sucks big time. Prepare for yourself for the long haul. This is a marathon and without some basic strength from within yourself the family and those that don’t support you will wear you down.

    I read this site everyday, even when I feel like I don’t need to because it’s a reminder and helped create new habits.

  57. Thanks for comments.
    Forge- you’re right spectating aint doing.
    Roused- yes, ten years ago this info would’ve changed the path of my life for this past decade. Managed to keep relationship with kids from marriage so far. Bm2 and newborn probly not gonna work out as well for kid. Hurts, but she doesnt want me around and I dont want to fight her about it. I’m fatigued from dealing with liars.

  58. “As a female senator it’s important to me to tell women to get into the office more”. Stopped listening here. It’s a beautiful day and I don’t want it to be wasted by some non sense.

  59. Umm..fool..a woman brought you in this hell hole..you’ll need one to dig your way out..Sooo…kiss my ass and love every moment of eternity of hell

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