“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.” – Hillary Clinton
I had planned on using Hillary’s now infamous quote for an upcoming post outlining the distinction between women’s innate solipsism and an acculturated narcissism, but fate delivered me a much more profound use for this quote last week (we’ll get to that in part II).
Before I dig in here I feel it’s kind of incumbent upon me to point out that I in no way align with, nor endorse Hillary’s political or ideological perspectives, and I think it should go without saying that I diametrically disagree with her feminine-primary social agendas.
That said, if you ever need a better quote to explain the realities of feminine solipsism I think I’d be at a loss to give you one. A lot of men, even Red Pill aware men, have a hard time understanding how solipsism fits concretely into the feminine psyche. The social conditioning and upbringing that predisposes us towards an egalitarian equalist mindset rebels against thinking women and men would have different psychological firmware. Equalism teaches us to expect that men and women’s needs share mutual origins and our impulses are so similar that any difference is insignificant.
That egalitarian frame predisposes us to consider that ‘not all women are like that‘ or to disassociate the idea that men and women could be anything but functionally equal agents. As a result we get convenient distractions to confuse our looking for comparatives to should anyone (or thing) challenge an equalist answer.
Simply put, we get rationales like “Oh well, men do it too”, or worse, or any opposite comparison that leads us away from considering the truth that men and women are psychologically, biologically and sociologically different; with different motives and different strategies which they employ to meet their different imperatives. And often these imperatives are at odds with the best interests of the other sex.
Separating Differences
The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies:
For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.
It is the fundamental differences in either sex’s imperatives, acculturation and biology that creates this conflict. Of course, men and women have come together for each other’s mutual benefit (and love, and enjoyment) to create families and sustain our race for millennia, however, this mutually beneficial union does not originate from mutual imperatives or sexual strategies.
When I explain how women hold an opportunistic concept of love, while men hold an idealistic one, the resistance to accept that observable, behavioral, reality is rooted in a blank-slate belief that men and women are fundamentally the same. So, when we read a statement from a woman (to say nothing of a high status one) such as Hillary’s, we either scoff at the oblivious audacity of it because it is so counter to our (male) imperative’s interests, or we nod in ascension in the feminized belief that what best serves the female imperative necessarily is the best interest of the male imperative.
This is an illustration of the fundamental difference in the interpretation of experience between the sexes.
From a solipsistically oblivious female perspective what Hillary is expounding on here is entirely true. From a perspective that prioritizes feminine Hypergamy above all else, these three sentences make perfect, pragmatic sense. The idea that men losing their lives in warfare would make them victims at all (much less the primary victims) isn’t even an afterthought; all that matters is the long term security and continued provisioning of women and their imperatives.
Solipsism, not Narcissism
A lot of newly Red Pill aware men get confused at my using the term ‘solipsism‘ when I refer to this female-specific obliviousness to any concern – or lesser prioritized concern – of anything outside their immediate existential needs. The confusion comes from men who want for a similar justice to the one I outlined in Our Sister’s Keeper. Self-importance or narcissism would seem to be a more appropriate term for this dynamic, but I disagree.
Female solipsism in and of itself is not necessarily a net negative in the larger scope of human survival and evolution. On the surface that may seem a bit outrageous, but it’s only outrageous insofar as women’s solipsistic natures come into conflict with the biological and social imperatives of men. This solipsism is the necessary result of a feminine survival instinct that’s helped preserve women and their offspring in a violent, chaotic and uncertain evolution.
Recognizing the importance of feminine solipsism is not an endorsement of the anti-social, and often cruel, byproducts of it.
No doubt, men who’ve been on the sharp end of this will grind their teeth at the inevitable narcissism that becomes an extension of women’s solipsism. I’ll agree. Socially we’re living in an era of unprecedented (western) narcissism manifested in a vast majority of women.
At no other time in history have women become more accustomed to perceived entitlements of personal security, ubiquitous social control and relative assurances of optimizing Hypergamous imperatives. At no other time have women’s sexual strategies been of such primary importance to society. However, this narcissism is the result of an acculturation and learned social priorities that predispose women to expectations that border on arrogance. Over recent generations that narcissism has become learned and fostered in women to the point that narcissism is openly embraced as a feminine strength – women believe it’s their due after a long suffrage.
Women’s solipsistic nature however is an integral part of their evolved psychological firmware. Solipsism is the evolved, selected-for result of self-preservation necessities that ensured the survival of our species. As men we get frustrated by this intrinsic nature; a nature that puts women’s imperatives as their primary mental point of origin. As any newly aware Red Pill man will attest, coming to this realization is a very hard truth to accept. It’s cruel and contrary to what the First Set of Books have taught him he should expect and build his life around.
Furthermore, it’s cruel in the respect that this solipsism neither aligns with the romantic, Blue Pill hopes he’s been raised to accept, but also the egalitarian, equal and level playing field ideology he’s been conditioned to believe he should alter his priorities to accommodate for women; and in turn he can expect from women. As I stated earlier, coming to terms with men and women’s differing concepts of love is a tough disillusionment, but this difference in concept is simply one of many a man must come to terms with.
When I wrote Empathy I got taken to task about women’s capacity to feel empathy to a greater degree than do men. It’s not that women cannot feel empathically (a shared experience), my argument was that the idea that women feel a ‘greater’ empathy than men was a social convention with the latent purpose of masking women’s innate solipsism.
That wasn’t a very popular idea. The notion that women are the mothers and nurturers was predictably spelled out, but with regards to empathizing and caring for men the primary concern of women was worry over their own and their children’s well being before that of their men should they become incapacitated. Again, this is a cruel truth, but also a pragmatic and survival based one.
Mental Point of Origin
Women’s mental point of origin begins with their own self-importance, and the overriding importance of their own and their offspring’s survival. I’ve had women readers lambast me that they couldn’t possibly be so influenced by solipsism because they put their children’s wellbeing before their own. However it is just this solipsism that predisposes women to seeing their children as extensions of themselves and their own identities. And the good news is that this dynamic is one reason the human species has been so successful.
The following was a comment from Starve the Beast on the TRP subredd:
Women are bad at reasoning, but good at rationalization.
Let that sink in for a minute. One cannot rationalize without the faculty for reason. So are women really bad at reasoning? No, actually they’re great at it.
The difference is that women don’t place as much value on Truth as they do upon self-preservation, and therefore their reasoning processes do not abort when self-contradiction is reached. They’ll just rationalize their way out of that too, if exposed.
Ultimately, the so-called hamster reflects an underlying difference in value systems more than in reasoning ability.
Women can learn to sublimate their solipsism. In fact, cultures and progressive societies have been founded on sublimating female solipsism. Women can and do learn critical thinking quite regularly. Women can learn and function within a society that forces them to compromise their sexual strategies and mitigates the worst abuses that solipsism would visit on men (and themselves). Women can learn to be empathetic towards men as well as live within a social order that looks like mutual justice and fairness.
But the fact that these civil dynamics should need to be something a woman learns only reinforces the biological and evolved influences of female solipsism as women’s mental point of origin. The parallel to this is men’s learning to sublimate intrinsic parts of themselves – primarily their sexuality – to reinforce prosocial interaction in society.
Women dislike the idea that their experience is colored by solipsism. It sounds bad, and it runs counter to what they believe are sacrifices on their own part to help others. That may be so, and I’m certainly not going to attempt to discount those investments, but they come from a learned compassion that must overcome an innate solipsism. That ‘me and my babies first’ mental point of origin isn’t necessarily a bad thing either – it’s only when that learned compassion and humility are superseded by it that anti-social behaviors and hubris arise.
I expect the predictable criticism will be that men are also self-important, and / or all humans are intrinsically selfish fucks. In part II I’ll elaborate more on this, but for now it’s important to grasp that female solipsistic nature is less about selfish individualism and more about pragmatic survival.
Many a male reader of my Hierarchies of Love series grated against the idea that a conventional model of love would progress from Men to women, women to children, children to puppies, etc. That model is a direct reflection of a uniquely female solipsism that seemingly discards men’s reciprocal emotional investment in women. However it is also the same dynamic that predisposes women to desire men who can decisively control their environment as well as dominate them sexually and emotionally.
In part II I’ll outline more examples of feminine solipsism, how it’s reflected on the individual and societal level and how a man might best use an understanding of it to his advantage.
I actually delight in pleasing him((do you swallow too?)),
“Insanity Bytes”, right?
Original hardwood from ’57. 3/4 nail down. This it the real deal, no parquet floor here.
We want to restain, and people are telling me I don’t have to do the full refinish to do that. Kind of have to restain anyways, there’s a big color difference that goes beyond a gloss finish. Pretty sure the prior homeowner restained the exposed hardwood a different color.
@insanity.
I don’t give a rat’s ass about the meaning of the so called “worthy of my respect ” bullshits.
To me a woman shows her respect by a BJ mornings and nights, more respect comes in the form of anal.
ADBG Original hardwood from ’57. 3/4 nail down. This it the real deal, no parquet floor here. Excellent stuff, you want to keep and restore for sure. We want to restain, and people are telling me I don’t have to do the full refinish to do that. I don’t see how you can restain without doing a full refinish, if you want it to look good when you are done. Kind of have to restain anyways, there’s a big color difference that goes beyond a gloss finish. Pretty sure the prior homeowner restained the exposed hardwood a different color. So… Read more »
“I don’t give a rat’s ass about the meaning of the so called “worthy of my respect ” bullshits.”
I know. That is because you have no respect for your own self so you attempt to project that negative self image onto the women around you.
I’m so sorry, it must be very awful being you.
Guys, I”m settled in for a chilled out Sunday night. I’m learning one of the secrets to high performance is resting when I’m tired and managing my willpower and energy. What I devote it to is crucial, and what I spend my energy on is very important. I come here to cheer on other men who are happy to shoulder the burden of performance. I come here to feel connected to other men who are up for playing to win in the game that is a masculine life. I’m not hear to argue with pathetic old hags or spend my… Read more »
“I’m so sorry, it must be very awful being you.”
I’m sad to inform you that 99% of men in the universe agree with me on MY idea of respect in the form of nights and morning BJs, guess who is the remaining 1%?
A hint :
Attic !?.
@longgone wait what? You WANT to be her sugar-daddy?? Does being disappointed she’s not a “pro” mean you’re disappointed she isn’t a hooker? I mean, if that’s all you want you could try the sugardaddy websites or pay an even younger hotter hooker for their “Girlfriend Experience” service regularly and they’ll pretend they’re into you too without all this hassle of going on chaperoned dates and stuff. The advice I was giving was for actually getting a girl sexually interested in you, I don’t really have advice for landing a sugarbaby…I can’t imagine many broke college girls would turn down… Read more »
@longgone Also a natural alpha like scribblerg will tell you “bro you can pay her and just be a badass and she’ll fall in love with you anyway like this girl did with me” but like, that’s not really applicable to you because you are already fucking up the sexual attraction side of things which means you kind of don’t have that down the way he did…like if I throw Mike Tyson into a street fight, he’s probably going to do fine, but a guy who’s already not hitting a punching bag correctly going into a street fight thinking he’s… Read more »
BabyKillerApologist – “Women have a right to survive…” Ahh, and here it is, nugget of raw solipsism. An assertion of a right that in order to be secured for all women means that all men must be subordinate to that right as a practical matter. Women and children first! Unless the children are in conflict with woman in question and then they can be sent to the attic, the bottom of the lake, or perhaps the vacuumed out and sold off for parts. Pro-life apparently ends at defending the woman’s life. It has to if a right to survive is… Read more »
Insanitybytes said: “In that case, outside the context of faith, I see no reason why women shouldn’t just harvest your sperm, salvage your organs, and then do away with the whole lot of you.”
Ahh the old, “if it weren’t for religion, we would all run around killing eachother!”
Religious and a-religious people are equally moral as a whole. There is ZERO evidence that people with faith-based beliefs act ‘better’ or more morally, than those without such beliefs.
I’m learning one of the secrets to high performance is resting when I’m tired and managing my willpower and energy. “Eat when hungry, sleep when tired” – deep Zen wisdom. To explain: what is “hungry”? Is it “Ooh, I want something crunchy and salty in my mouth!” or is it “I just shoveled the gravel for 8 hours and I need to refuel with good stuff”. What is “tired”? Is it “I just sat through 10 hours of Netflix and I can’t move my feet” or it is “I just shoveled the gravel for 8 hours, refueled with a proper… Read more »
@Anonymous Reader “Know yourself. Take care of yourself. No one else will really do this for you.” Was just playing with my nephew Going to see my old trainer in morning. Need help but I know where to look. With a red pill lens my whole family is more understandable. It’s oddly freeing and makes me a happy human. My love for my mom is oddly More respectful. I understand her story a lot more. Her and my sister weren’t respectful humans and a buddy of mine reminded me how I am getting just a little more respectful each visit.… Read more »
Insanity.
Can you explain what is “worthy of my respect ” means ? Did you mean worthy of my BJ / a good hand job / unconditional access to my pussy in the case of Brat Pitt, Ashton Kutcher ,Johnny Depp ?
And what is the rewards when you find a man who is “worthy of your respect” when meeting average Joe?
A good ham sandwiches?
“The rest of you, those who are full of hatred and do nothing but try to spew hateful words and bitterness in the world, you serve no purpose and might as well smell up my attic or fertilize my rose bushes. ”
Insanity, how about send us to Auschwitz !.
@yareally – I’m in no way saying @Longgone can get some sugarbaby to fall for him. In my experience – just the one girl, she did fuck me a couple of times where there wasn’t some kind of provisioning but I was also her mentor at the time, and if I think about it I bought dinner on those occasions. . But it didn’t last, it’s not sustainable, and paying for sex isn’t really my thing. That said, he can still try and game this young woman and see where he gets and also try the sugarbaby route, it doesn’t… Read more »
Reprise of the 80 mph chic:
Question: If you travel at 80 mph, how long does it take you to travel 80 miles?
Chic Answer: I run the mile in about 9 minutes.
Worthy of MY respect .
ALL women are obsessed with that phrase.
“I’m not going to give a 60+yo guy shit for going the sugardaddy/hooker route” At least not after I already did, ’cause that would be twice and you know I’m not counting and all….. “What you’re doing might be the right way to land that arrangement, I don’t really know.” I don’t know either and I doubt that I really do want to land it. You and scribblerg immediately identified the scenario presented to me in the date as a play for sugar-daddy status, so the potential of that arrangement became a discussion topic, but hasn’t become a goal of… Read more »
@Rollo The thing is, I don’t really even mind the sort of solipsism Liz displayed here. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature, and the content of her replies is an attempt to be emotionally helpful. It’s a different style of accessing a discussion or idea, and it has its limitations, but there’s good uses for it as well. My sister was pretty devastated when her first boyfriend broke up with her, and her friends tried to do the whole ‘oh, he’s not good enough for you anyways!’ pity party thing. Didn’t help much. Then a older female friend (30-ish)… Read more »
@Forge, http://therationalmale.com/2013/08/07/appeals-to-reason/ Why Women Can’t ‘Just Get It‘ Appealing to women’s logic and relying on deductive reasoning to sort it out is the calling card of a Beta mind. There is nothing more anti-seductive for women than appealing to her reason. Arousal, attraction, sexual tension, subcommunication of desire, all happen indirectly and below the social surface for women. It’s not that women are incapable of reasoning (hypergamy is one logical bitch) or are crippled by their emotion-based hindbrains, it’s that if you’re asking her how to be more attractive you don’t Get It. It’s in the doing, not the asking.… Read more »
“The most visible manifestation of women’s rudimentary solipsism is the priority with which they expect their personal, existential, experience to be considered the most valid, legitimate and universal truth apparent in any debate.” And what of all of us who do not, Tomassi, all of us women who actually appreciate a male perspective because we are well aware of how women perceive the world through only one set of eyes? Do you not see us consulting with husbands, fathers, brothers all the darn time, checking our own perceptions, asking for their opinions? No, no you do not see us at… Read more »
BabyKillerApologist – “And what of all of us who do not, Tomassi, all of us women who actually appreciate a male perspective because we are well aware of how women perceive the world through only one set of eyes?”
WTF? You seriously believe you’re not a malignant parasite representing the worst of your kind?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen all day.
Insanity :”Hence MY desire to pour praise and support over the men who do so. ”
LISTEN to her.
this is a pure Feminist Supremacist.
She thinks men can’t function without women “praising” them.
It use to be The Man who desired and pour praise and supported women.
@Scribblerg “The topic is solipsism. The question is the true nature of it. My take is that it’s really awful and much more conscious than we want to admit. Consider carefully what Fleezer is saying – a woman who is trying to keep her man and to keep his interest is an entirely different creature from one you are devoted to. “Marriage is the ultimate shit test” – whatever you want, this has to be true. I only think marriage can work when a man behaves as he says. You see, she wants to blow him every morning to keep… Read more »
Forge,
That’s the best explanation of frame I’ve seen. It’s a concept I’ve struggled with understanding since encountering it here and explains a good portion of the misery I experienced in my marriage. I only briefly held it in the beginning, never regained it.
Let me try to hit my point a bit more succinctly. For women, things tend to ‘bleed together’ into a unified experience, dictated by their emotional response to the overall circumstance. For example, if a woman feels attracted to a man because of certain real qualities that he has – confidence, IDGAF attitude, good looks, whatever – she’ll take that overall impression and apply it to his whole person, and he becomes a veritable demigod in her eyes, even if objectively he’s also a loser, criminal, scumbag, abuser, terrible parent, whatever. In order to maintain cognitive consistency, she’ll rationalize whatever… Read more »
“For example, if a woman feels attracted to a man because of certain real qualities that he has – confidence, IDGAF attitude, good looks, whatever – she’ll take that overall impression and apply it to his whole person, and he becomes a veritable demigod in her eyes, even if objectively he’s also a loser, criminal, scumbag, abuser, terrible parent, whatever. In order to maintain cognitive consistency, she’ll rationalize whatever defects away, or make them virtues.” No shit, Sherlock. And women will rationalize for men beyond the point of all reason, beyond the point of all survival even. Now think about… Read more »
@David W
Religious and a-religious people are equally moral as a whole. There is ZERO evidence that people with faith-based beliefs act ‘better’ or more morally, than those without such beliefs.
Case in point: a study done by the Barna Group (a Baptist affiliated research group) found that atheists have the lowest divorce rate among all religious affiliations. Considering that divorce still is viewed as fairly immoral by most modern churches, it pretty much removes the idea of being religious leading to better morality even by a religious yard stick.
@longgone Thanks man. Frame is completely central to understanding relationships, but it’s a difficult thing to grasp unless you’ve seen it. When you’re first learning this stuff, it seems like you should just be able to change some behaviors and be done with it. But you can’t; you can do all sorts of different behaviors in each sort of frame, and it won’t make one lick of difference in how she treats you. It’s a state flip. So a lot of guys will read about attraction cues, and try to create them, and then wonder why they just got anger… Read more »
@Forge the sky
“Note, of course, that a woman in your frame is in your frame because it (limbically) serves her to do so. But the whole process of delightful femininity is genuine, in that she doesn’t think much about it, she just feels it.”
You just put the reasons why dogs calm me down so well with your last comment. I now realized dogs where teaching me Frame and as a beta I wasn’t leading the way thought dominance.
Just like Sun said before “You can’t ask to be dominant.”
Man what a hell of a good insight
@Sun
Did some quick googling.
“…the Barna study revealed that an even higher proportion of born again Christians (84%) tie the knot. That eclipses the proportion among people aligned with non-Christian faiths (74%) and among atheists and agnostics (65%).”
I don’t disagree with your actual point, and it’s actually kinda funny. Religion seems more a source of rationalizations than morality, these days. But I’d argue that atheists tend to do better than Christians simply because they feel less compulsion to get married, and therefore only do so when the relationship they have is pretty good.
Forge,
While I didn’t consistently hold frame in my marriage, looking back on it I certainly did in my business, fortunately for us all. Now that I’m no longer the overall boss, and work on a team sometimes it’s a little unclear, but that’s a managment problem and it gets sorted out eventually.
I’ll just be grateful to have more opportunities before my dirt nap to put some of these concepts to the test IRL.
Cool. Two demonstration of RP principles in Insanity’s reply to me that I see, just off the top of my head. 1. I insult her, and then she replies to a comment of mine. She’s paid me no mind for several months before that. 2. Apex fallacy. How do you get this: “No shit, Sherlock. And women will rationalize for men beyond the point of all reason, beyond the point of all survival even. Now think about what you yahoos are doing, demeaning women, hating on women because of the blinders we have that allow us to love men, to… Read more »
@Forge But I’d argue that atheists tend to do better than Christians simply because they feel less compulsion to get married, and therefore only do so when the relationship they have is pretty good. Well yeah, obviously. But that even drives the point home harder: the rules and attitudes that supposedly lead to “moral” behavior actually drive followers toward the opposite. Of course, cue self-flagellation and more church attendance resulting in more tithes and you see why there’s no reason for the church to change at all. And while everybody’s ganging up on IB… You’re seeing demons behind every bush.… Read more »
Forge the Sky September 6th, 2015 at 10:55 pm I mostly agree with your view on frame. I’m just not so sure about the consciousness of the female reaction. I sometimes think it’s almost terrifying for women to be drawn into an alpha frame. They find themselves in total lack of power and this leaves them only the option to please the man so he doesn’t do evil to her. Of course in the end this is the most healthy situation for a women. But that doesn’t mean the tension would be relaxing or comfortable for them. They will try… Read more »
Unfortunately, Cesar Milan’s wife divorced him, leading him to attempt suicide.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/leader-of-the-pack-20130406-2hdky.html
In other news, Mount Rushmore has been re-dated by !!Scientists!!, from A.D. 1927, to some time in the last Ice Age.
Enough of your Yankee lies!
They were here before us.
Rollo: “I was saving this for the second Solipsism post but, it’s not about how many “I”s or “me”s a woman brings to any counter argument, it’s that her first inclination for a counterargument is to use her personal experience and expect it to be accepted as a valid, universal truth by whomever she is presenting it to. This is common to feminine communication preferences (and men who’ve been conditioned to opt into a feminine-primary communication mode). Women focus primarily on the context of the communication (how it makes them feel while communicating), while men focus primarily on the content… Read more »
Just to add: I wasn’t making any counterargument in the “solipsistic” response. I’m not sure what you’re refering to there. Per the Hillary response, I think context is always a good thing to consider.
She’s a politician and a liar (but I repeat myself). Who is she (or the PR boiler room that wrote her speech) going to try to appeal to? The peopel who are most effectively emotionally persuaded toward advocacy. That’s not the guys who fought in the war, it’s the women.
“I sometimes think it’s almost terrifying for women to be drawn into an alpha frame. They find themselves in total lack of power and this leaves them only the option to please the man so he doesn’t do evil to her.”
That is a fairly standard explanation of primate behaviour, hence drama followed by Make Up Sex.
@Forge – While I think what you say about frame is insightful, I don’t understand why won’t grace women with full humanity? They are as fully capable as men are of applying reason and compassion to any situation – WHEN IT SUITS THEIR ENDS TO DO SO. In fact women will master mindnumbing detail and tedious work to create the outcome they seek. Just look at a social event they are running – when the stakes matter to them, suddenly they are rational and deal with people effectively, listening and treating people civilly. What’s missing from this dialog is an… Read more »
Re: Frame – First some ontology. One way of describing how human’s occur to themselves is to see it as a conversation we are having with ourselves about the world and those around us. We experience consciousness (in a way) as a stream of words in our mind that interprets our experience. Such a narrative has a “frame of reference” – that’s what’s meant by the word frame. When we interact with each other, a conversation occurs inside of a frame of reference. Social hierarchies and status are part of how that dialog is framed. Who listens, who interrupts, who… Read more »
@ insanity bytes what is your deal? Why do you even bother to comment/troll here? It’s ok to agree to disagree but if you disagree why not find another sandbox to play in? Nobody is forcing a red pill down your throat. Be blue pill sister, knock yourself out. I am sure you’ll find many who think like you elsewhere. What you are doing here, well it’s just weird. Mkay? Awkward. As for Liz, I know her to be one of the good ones. Not that she needs my defense. She’s a wife of 20+ years, and in two +… Read more »
@scribblerg
“Men have no such choice. Due to women’s different mating strategies, men have to be very aware of women and also socially have been trained to treat men and women with equal dignity (for different reasons but the effect is thus).”
http://classics.mit.edu/Euripides/medea.html
“I’m profoundly in touch with reality and that I don’t let gauzy abstractions or the need to be “right” slow me down, ever.”
Nice…
Lid is also wicked funny. I have shot coffee out my nose on more than one occasion at her comments. She’s a good egg. A friend of men. Insanity, can you possibly understand that perhaps the rage and anger some are experiencing here might be genuine hurt and pain? That these men need to vent and feel it and get it out before they can move past whatever likely traumatic and devastating shiv moment led them to the red pill? Have some compassion. Conditional love is highly overrated. We are all sifting through the wreckage brought on by massive social… Read more »
“insanity bytes what is your deal? Why do you even bother to comment/troll here? It’s ok to agree to disagree but if you disagree why not find another sandbox to play in? Nobody is forcing a red pill down your throat. Be blue pill sister, knock yourself out.” Stick it in your ear, my darling. You don’t know me, you have no idea why I am here, nor is it any of your business. Your Red Pill Girl crap is more childish and annoying than the rage of broken and wounded men. You spend all your time seeking the favor… Read more »
Insanity can you even see how totally “I am God and you are all slime” of an attitude you have? Seriously, reflect on that a bit. WWJD?
Bloom, it looks like you got your answer.
Insanity I get that the poon slaying reports and such can be … Whatever. I have actually learned a lot about men from reading these things. AMALT. That’s why women shouldn’t be jumping into bed w every one who offers skittles. But some do and well, whose fault is that? (Hint, not his.)
@Liz
You’re interacting with men who are unplugging. A lot of the shit you’re getting is simple attempts to calibrate.
It’s interesting to watch, from a detached perspective.
Apparently I’ve gotta work on my calibration myself. Rollo just reprimanded me for trying to explicate.
Get back in yer kitchen wimminz! 😉
@lh “I mostly agree with your view on frame. I’m just not so sure about the consciousness of the female reaction. I sometimes think it’s almost terrifying for women to be drawn into an alpha frame. They find themselves in total lack of power and this leaves them only the option to please the man so he doesn’t do evil to her. “Of course in the end this is the most healthy situation for a women. But that doesn’t mean the tension would be relaxing or comfortable for them. They will try to get out, get into power, as a… Read more »
“Insanity can you even see how totally “I am God and you are all slime” of an attitude you have? Seriously, reflect on that a bit. WWJD?” Can you not see what an idiotic and judgmental little twit you are, how you attack and condemn other women you do not even know, hoping to score points with wounded, broken men? Don’t speak to me of faith, you are totally motivated by sexual competitiveness, your desire to be the pretty princess. If you genuinely cared about any of these men, you wouldn’t be trying to rationalize for them. AMALT?? Seriously? Are… Read more »
Insanity wow, you really don’t get it.
This is from Insanity’s Blahg.
“I am always compelled to speak the truth and truth for me can be a little bit out there, in the spiritual, based on feelings, emotions, intuition. So why Christ? Because I simply fell in love, deeply, irrationally, passionately….and progressively because I first encountered Him when I was 3 years old.”
Her truth is based on HER feelz emotions. Intuition .
She remembered event at the age of 3!
Ps,
I remember my first hard on at the age of 2 .
@ keyser Soze
Like I’ve said before: Jesus Alpha Widow. I wonder if her husband is corporeal or if she thinks she’s married to Jesus.
Where on earth did I say good men call women sluts and counts and whores? Thats hardly what the red pill is about. The truth is plenty of women are sluts and counts and whores. And bitches. If its true, is saying so wrong? You assume women deserve the pedastal and well, some don’t, many don’t, of their own doing. Men not automatically handing out the pussy pass does not make them bad men. Are there bad men, yes of course. But to say all, ALL, of the men (and women!) here are bad is simply insanity. At least you… Read more »
As I’ve said before, IB comes here to get the tingles her husband isn’t even aware she needs from me.
I’ve stated this more than once and she’s yet to deny it.
I think she likes my gravitar pic.
“Where on earth did I say good men call women sluts and counts and whores? Thats hardly what the red pill is about.”
You are spinning, rationalizing, hamerstering for such men right now and right here. If you are an example of womanhood, no wonder these men hold such vile views. You cannot even distinguish right from wrong and you don’t even care.
she is very intrasexually competitive about her tingles
“WWJD?”
Offer himself up to be tortured to death.
“That’s why women shouldn’t be jumping into bed w every one who offers skittles.”
You still have things to learn. You don’t get the Skittles until after. Maybe.
@All – Funniest aspect of @IB? She thinks we want her respect, lol. Hint, most men believe women are incompetent children but are too scared to tell a homocidal madwoman like you that truth. IB. We tolerate you in order to get what we want. Your respect is as meaningless to us as what we had for breakfast this morning. Not just men here, that’s men everywhere. We laugh at you when you aren’t in the room, seriously. Women like IB are perhaps even worse than the most radfem sjw in that IB and her ilk pretend to actually care… Read more »
IBs principle weakness is she’s unaware of Law 36.
Lol as usual Rollo sees right thru to the heart of it! And that’s why *i* follow this blog, he gets it! Truly gets it.
So IB, do you think Rollo is a good man, or an ebul one? I am truly curious…
Kfg I would be the first to admit I have a lot to learn. I could have me some skittles actually but I am sorting thru the “from whom” I want them part as of yet… It’s hard to find a red pill aware man who is marriage minded, kindof like hunting unicorns. But I know myself and that I need a mighty strong lead and so hunting unicorns I go. Spoiler alert but I have my sights set on one already, and have for some time, we’ll see if I can get me some skittles from him! Stay tuned…… Read more »
” . . . so hunting unicorns I go.”
Beware of horses wearing strap-ons.
Forge the Sky
September 7th, 2015 at 11:36 am
That was a very insightful comment, thanks. I seem to have a tendency towards the crazies, for many years actually. Learning from the challenge has been very rewarding from me, but it’s good to be reminded there might be more relaxing ways.
@IB – You don’t want to be called a cunt? Stop acting like one. Notice Liz seems to proceed here largely unmolested. Hint: She doesn’t act like a cunt. You do. Come on, internet tough lady, own your shit for once in your life. You are a fucking cunt of epic proportions. That doesn’t mean other women are cunts, just you. It isn’t a statement about anyone but you. I did dust it up a few times in the past when our friend @GWADT decided to defend running around in vulva advertising yoga pants but insisted that she wasn’t intentionally… Read more »
@scribblerg “No, we see it clearly and realize women are destroying our society.” http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-C6ai4muhYn7/the_aviator_2004_mother_gives_a_bath/ “[Enter LADY MACBETH, reading a letter] ‘They met me in the day of success: and I have learned by the perfectest report, they have more in them than mortal knowledge. When I burned in desire to question them further, they made themselves air, into which they vanished. Whiles I stood rapt in the wonder of it, came missives from the king, who all-hailed me ‘Thane of Cawdor;’ by which title, before, these weird sisters saluted me, and referred me to the coming on of time, with… Read more »
@rugby, little known Rollo Tomassi fact:
I once played the lead role of MacBeth in 1998. I have most of the script memorized to this day.
@Scribblerg “While I think what you say about frame is insightful, I don’t understand why won’t grace women with full humanity? They are as fully capable as men are of applying reason and compassion to any situation – WHEN IT SUITS THEIR ENDS TO DO SO. In fact women will master mindnumbing detail and tedious work to create the outcome they seek. Just look at a social event they are running – when the stakes matter to them, suddenly they are rational and deal with people effectively, listening and treating people civilly.” I don’t think I’m denying women’s humanity by… Read more »
Ah, the bitch-fight finally started. It was about time. scribblerg September 7th, 2015 at 12:20 pm “Look at the lows she will sink to. I’ve been courageous enough to be open about my sorrows and journey here, but that is used by her to denigrate me and “keep me down”.” No, no, no, my friend. She is just testing whether you let yourself be kept down. Most of her comments are just provocations. She is trying if she can make the men here angry. If you get mad at her, you entered her frame and she won. Don’t, please, all… Read more »
@RedPlllGirlNotes – So I clicked through to your blog. According to you, you are a 40 something, divorced “single mom”. I hate when woman use that term, it’s a victim term yet I’m sure you had a big part of creating a life where you are the sole parent of your child. You claim to have been a “modern woman” and then found the Red Pill cuz you realized all that “strong independent woman” crap was bullshit and ruining your life. Got it. Let me ask you this. Seriously. Why do you think a Red Pill man would ever marry… Read more »
Scribble you are somewhat confusing Liz and myself. But we are like minded so that makes sense. Anyway I am interested in these discussions but also am sensitive of he need for guy space so I am gonna leave it at that. The blog where I met many of these guys here was more of a male/female space. But it went belly up largely bc we got too close to all this and it melted down. Peace and fwiw, Rollo, badpainter, adbg, hell hound — good to see ya’ll and I’ll pop by here and there but not too much.… Read more »
Ya, insanity’s just trying to get some sort of emotional reaction. Read her comments. There’s no consistent point there – just a flailing about for sore spots and weak points, with the occasional lure to draw you in before she strikes. Create an emotional rise if you like, as an experiment, in order to see how she reacts to it. Like I did yesterday – I insulted her commentary, and she responded to me for the first time in months. It’s all a shit test, of course. She would only be satisfied with our total indifference to her ravings, at… Read more »
“. . . men . . . can’t GET themselves to be aroused by an obese 60-year-old woman, however much they might want to be.”
Perhaps it is the natural in me, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why a man would want to be. To me the issue is undefined, in the mathematical sense. It’s a divide by zero problem.
I do not waste time wanting things that are not simply wrong, but are without meaning.
Scribble, no offense taken, you are not the first to point these things out. I get it. I am a single mom true, and all the rest. I happen to be one of the lucky ones who is getting more attention w age. And I am man friendly, and I have nearly a half mil in assets thanks to my education and career, so I don’t bring nothing to the table. I am not your typical single mom. My ex is remarried so that’s out. Anyway like I said I think I have found him and he’s one of the… Read more »
@kfg
Right there with ya, but for a Blue Pill guy married to a woman like that, believing that any other option is immoral to even think about, the issue becomes relevant.
Many men have to be taught that their desires are not bad, and that being congruent with them is not only possible but optimal. I was once like that as well.
@forge – You are missing the point. A few notes to clarify: 1. You aren’t getting the magnitude of all this. Treating men like they aren’t real people is what women do. Me being attracted to 20 year old hotties isn’t in the same ballpark. This is the definition of “solipsism” – seeing nothing beyond self. It isn’t a “perception” it’s an entire way of being towards an entire class of men – those who they don’t want to fuck or get something out of. Men do not behave this way with men or women, we are fundamentally different in… Read more »
@insanity
When I go to your Blog, I see Dr. Jekyll .
When I read your comments here, I see Mr. Hyde.
I feel sorry for Dr. Jekyll because he can’t control turning to Mr. Hyde. But you! You seem to control it.
His strobg faith is why he is marriage minded btw. Otherwise you are right, why would any red pill guy consider it?
@RedpillGirlNotes – Hey, I hope you find something that works for you. And you don’t need to roll in sammiches and a bar cart, this kind of comment actually is obnoxious in reverse. The currency here is making sense and advancing the dialog in a constructive way, or at least no derailing and being a nasty cunt like IB is. You don’t have to over compensate with stupid comments like that. But I’m left scratching my head. I suppose this may be a matter of terms, so let’s see what this guy is and isn’t: Red Pill blogger – Okay,… Read more »
Scribble I don’t consider myself unusually attractive but everywhere I go guys are checking me, even much younger and very good looking guys so I am not sure. I’d say I am a 7, for my age? I dunno, I am probably not the best judge of that. I am 5’6″, thin, blue eyes, Carmel hair. I am not promiscuous but I am kinky/ sub orientated when in a committed relationship and I enjoy sex greatly and often when combined with love and commitment. I am not into casual sex, I don’t like hitting it w strangers. I am impish… Read more »
“You don’t know me, you have no idea why I am here, nor is it any of your business.” I think it is interesting that IB uses this statement in her defense. She is the only one to blame for not disclosing who she is and why she is here. She refuses to do it at her own peril. (And she has a hell of a lot to lose by dropping the facade. So she can’t actually do it. Until she does, though she has no credibility whatsoever here.) I would re-iterate the questions to her that I asked Lucien… Read more »
@Scribblerg, Thanks for your 10:27am comment re: frame, btw. It’s helpful and detailed. “You are missing the point. A few notes to clarify….” Alright, I’m doing my best to absorb this. If I read you right, you’re saying my eyes aren’t fully open to the degree of conscious manipulation and difficulty men face at the hands of women. That may well be. I’ve lived a relatively comfortable, sheltered life. I can’t just switch my point of reference to a person who has experienced more of what you’re talking about, so I can’t just assert that you’re right and I’m wrong.… Read more »
Also the bar cart and sammiches thing is an old running joke…
@Forge – You put it so much better than I did, thanks. @RedPillGirlNotes – See what happens when we have interesting and honest conversations? I get it a lot more now and it’s fascinating to see how Red Plll people make their way forward. It seems he’s an older guy like me who isn’t interested in hounding around – my days will come to a close at some point, so I get that. Also the Christian thing makes sense. And you, my dear, do sound like a cutie for your age,and petite/slim, so it comes into better focus. Likes sex,… Read more »
@SJF – Funny how you see me for who i actually am. I’ve given so much to women in my life. Supporting and helping raise a younger sister after my mom died, trying to be a surrogate father to another sister (half sister from my dad’s second marriage). Sticking it out with my daughter when it would have been so easy to give up and just serve myself, after signing up to be a provider and protector with a stay at home wife. But you also note some other things. These women I mentor? Two (who I was not fucking)… Read more »
@IB
a good movie for you to watch is “Goodbye to All That”. A father (played by Paul Schneider) is blindsided by a divorce, then after some hookups, meets a lady at church, Debbie Spangler (played by Anna Camp). A nice film for couples.
“Others will fight like mad to keep it, and will keep on fighting for it even after you have it. My old one-itis was like that, likely because she had a weak father.”
Very insightful, and describes my late father-in-law (and coincidently myself) held frame at his office, but lost or relaxed it at home….family business, (mostly) disfunctional family. Three out of the four daughters, perpetually unhaaaaaapy and frivorced their husbands. Their mom – radfem harpy….of course.
redpillgirlnotes / bloom: I think I pointed out to you on another forum, “Better late than never”, that still stands for both women and men embracing reality. Not “accepting reality”, although that’s surely part of putting on The Glasses, because “accepting reality” has a certain fatalistic, “oh, well, that’s how it is, not much fun but oh well” aspect to it. Embracing reality – accepting that women are like water, they will fill the container a man provides, if his frame is strong enough. A wise woman will choose to submit rather than make him fight for it endlessly, because… Read more »
“Funny how you see me for who I actually am.” Heheh, some of us are actually paying attention in class. And I would be remiss if I didn’t mention the enormity of Rollo Tomassi’s mentorship in all of this. Can you envision a more self-giving guy in our quest for masculine self-improvement in order to to celebrate our lives with our feminine women complementary counterparts. Only a man who has truly become self actualized can actually celebrate the wonderful counterpart that women are. And not be denied the wonderfulness of a woman that wants to be with you because you… Read more »
“….and I have nearly a half mil in assets thanks to my education and career, so I don’t bring nothing to the table.”
…..thanks to my divorce rape career.Fixed it (doesn’t merit html fiddling).
@Forge the sky “Many men have to be taught that their desires are not bad, and that being congruent with them is not only possible but optimal. I was once like that as well.” Their is no way to humanize the FI in my blue pill days which with my ideology I kept thinking I could all my guilt shame and anxiety come from the feminine. Me too “I’ll try to stay aware of my own (masculine) tendency to idealize things, and see what’s actually there.” That still gets to me. I try to see things objectively and i don’t… Read more »
Holy shyte Bloom!!!!!! I was just thinking about you and hoping you’d catch someone great! Yes!!!!!
And Insanity… What the he’ll? I’m glad I chose today to randomly read the blog, had no idea you really hated red pill men that much… Or thought men should be killed for voicing their opinions. Omg
I’ve learned a lot from Liz and Blooms lives and relationships. Bloom doesn’t do what accusing her of doing… What u accuse all rpw of doing.
And she’s right… What ever uthought u were accomplishing here is not happening. It’s embarrassing to watch you embarrassing yourself. But enlightening to see what u really think of these men and rpw.
Ya, Scribblerg, Blaximus,
FWIW, chick texted just now, off work in a couple hours….”whatcha doin tonight?” Still dark on my end and will stay for a few texts/days more haha. What I’m doing=nobody’s business but mine. I find onenightus fades quick these days. Thanks
Don Draper (Jon Hamm, 44) just broke up his 18 year LTR with his 45 year old SO. Now there is no chance he pulls a Depp (now married to Amber Heard), and finds a younger woman, since he would then be shamed to death by IB.
Long gone I can see how it might read like that but no, I have built that post divorce, fair and square. I paid my ex in our settlement, then rebuilt on top of that over the past 9 years.
@IB aka I-come-when-I-argue-with-men: “Grown up men are awesome and wonderful and they never run around calling women cunts and sluts and whores.”
http://i.imgur.com/BquHJT6.gif
The fuck outta here with that shit!! Men are men!! Here we do not define ourselves based on hamster musings or what women think or feel…
Keep flicking your bean dear…We realise you need this…
Excellent article, looking forward to part two.
The one criticism I’ll level at everyone here regarding IB:
Every time she comments the thread turns in to a shit show, and that’s largely due to how many people actually respond and interact. The quality of commenting drops considerably. Yeah, she’s here to get tingles, but she also succeeds in disrupting the discussion.
It’s fucking lame.
@ sun that’s a good observation, I have said all there is to say re insanity and so I will no longer engage there, noted. Good point. I am not intending to derail the discussion, I am here for the discussion. I figure at this point maybe I totally blew it but if what I have learned might help another, I share it in hopes my whole female version bill blue journey was not in vain if it helps another. I have two girls as well who I am raising as best I can not to be a woman of… Read more »
redpillgal,
Standing down….
“Every time she comments the thread turns in to a shit show, and that’s largely due to how many people actually respond and interact. The quality of commenting drops considerably. Yeah, she’s here to get tingles, but she also succeeds in disrupting the discussion.
It’s fucking lame.”
Agreed, she only wants to provoke Rollo anyway. Nobody else seems to really get her off. Why don’t we just let him handle her. I know I have no problem scrolling past her gibberish.
Not for nothing, but there will always be another IB to take her place. First it was Aunt Giggles who’s faded away into template blog, c&p content, email list insignificance.
The it was Sunshine Mary who also played the Christian Red Pill angle until she flamed out, jumped her own shark and now mumbles to herself occasionally on Dalrock’s blog.
Now it’s IB who fills the vacuum thinking no one else came before her with the same bullshit. Insanity is predictable because so many have played the role already.
I love Insanity bytes, I hope she never leaves the “Tomassi” blog.
I really like her, I find a great entertainment in what she says.
After all, Man can’t live on bread alone.
I love her covert Tingle seeking.
At least she knows better not to ask men to be dominant.
((knowing her husband lurks into this blog, if you know what I mean))
I’m sure –unlike Redpill women–you have a raging tingles, YOU will be a great fuck.
@Rollo
Honestly I find her boring precisely because of the predictability. I realize there will always be another (the internet will always gleefully hand you another shit poster), just kinda hope folks will realize the bad S/N ratio that comes as a result is more or less avoidable.
Oops, I forgot LivingTree, but it probably doesn’t matter.
When I saw the title of this post, it was “paging IB, paging IB”
and she shows up to provide many examples, cool
and we get to wind her up
oh, f’ing hell, the stupid side waits a couple of minutes, then replaces the image link with an Ad, sorry
I would prefer if the link was deleted