Post Selection

post-selection

Anonymous Reader on Dalrock’s thread had an interesting observation about women’s (wives’) dumbfounded response to discovering that the Beta chump they believed would be entirely optionless and adrift after they divorced, in fact, had far more SMV capital than her solipsism would allow her to acknowledge:

So, dear Lisa, you (a) had a husband but (b) decided you did not want him anymore and now (c) other women do want him? Whose fault is this, again? Great display of a version of preselection that ought to be called “post selection” (if Rollo or Heartiste or someone else hasn’t already thought of that).

Reminds me of a divorce I saw from a moderate distance a few years ago. Wife got a couple of promotions at her work, while her salesman husband just plodded along with the usual feast or famine of that business. She apparently got “married” to her job, putting in long hours serving the situational alpha men she worked for. Then at home made up for the long hours by showering attention on the kids while stiffarming “whats-his-name”. When he had an affair she was, by all accounts, surprised. When he had a second affair she divorced him. Both were churchgoing, and I agree that she had Bible-based grounds for divorce, there was no question he was cheating. But he wasn’t the roving-eye type for the first 5 to 10 years of marriage, so perhaps a certain lack of something tempted him to cheat? What could it have been?

Familiarity breeds contempt, but it also breeds complacency.

I’ve stated in many prior thread that familiarity, comfort, rapport, vulnerability and security are all anti-seductive attributes when it come to women’s sexual response. I’m not saying those elements aren’t intrinsically good or bad, just that men shouldn’t buy the boilerplate sexual filibustering of women who would have them believe they are in anyway arousal cues for women.

As Roissy’s maxim states – “‘Gina tingles are born in the defensive crouch.”

Iron Rule of Tomassi #3

Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.

When a woman makes you wait for sex you are not her highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It’s sex first, then relationship, not the other way around. A woman who wants to fuck you will find a way to fuck you. She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work – women who want to fuck will find a way to fuck. The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable and wants a relationship first is the same girl who fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break just half an hour after meeting him.

If a girl is that into you she’ll have sex with you regardless of ASD or having her friends in the room videotaping it at a frat party. All women can be sluts, you just have to be the right guy to bring it out in them, and this happens before you go back to her place. If you have to plead your case cuddling and spooning on the bed or getting the occasional peck on the cheek at the end of the night, you need to go back to square one and start fresh.

The problem most husbands and LTR live-in boyfriends experience in this respect is that there is no opportunity for a fresh start once that pattern of familiarity and comfort has been established and is what’s expected from him.

This principle is easy for us to understand from the man’s side, but what about the woman’s?

Anonymous’ observations here tell a broader story. Dal’s quick-hit post and the article he linked there is well worth the read, but it essentially illustrates a common regret women are forced to acknowledge when they’ve opted out of a relationship, or were opted out of by their men as a result of their protracted dissatisfaction with those women – they simply cannot fathom that the Beta man they cut loose has a sexual market value that other women would not just appreciate, but jump at, far quicker than they imagined.

Considering that 70%+ of all divorces are initiated by women, women opting out is usually the case. If you track along with the time line I presented in Preventive Medicine you can also see that this opt out (first divorce) window usually coincides with the time a man is (should be) experiencing his SMV peak.

After 7 or so years of marriage the familiarity, the routine and the comfort a woman expects from her statistically Beta husband are cemented for her. Reliable, sensible, comforting and responsible make for a great security prospect, but a boring ‘fuck prospect’. Unless that woman is casually, but frequently put into the defensive crouch (via passive dread) that man’s Archetype is set in her mind for her. His behavior is predictable and familiar, and boring to the point that she suspects no woman but her would ‘tolerate’ him.

In fact this perception is reinforced for her, not just by a fem-centric culture, but her husband’s constant self-deprecating praise of how “lucky he is to have a woman like her who’d put up with a guy like him. Haha, LOL.” In spite of all this supplication, women still affirm that man as the unexciting Beta chump who she subconsciously pegs would be entirely optionless in the SMP were (when) he to be re-released back into the wild.

Women want to get with a man that other men want to be, and other women want to fuck.

This is an easy maxim for a woman who’s single, but it takes on new imperatives when that man is fighting against the familiarity and comfort elements that come with long term monogamy and living together. That familiar complacency combined with Hypergamic social expectations makes women doubt that the man they thought other women might compete for has morphed into an optionless schlub only she would have the patience to constantly tolerate.

One of the reasons I advise against men and women shacking up is because the comfort and regularity of that living situation eventually becomes a disincentive for women to maintain a consistent sexual desire and urgency for the man she’s paired with. Women are at their ‘sexual best’ when men keep them at arms reach, and this is primarily due to the anxiety she experiences in the doubt over whether she’ll be able to consolidate on an optimized Hypergamy with that guy.

Post Selection

As Anonymous hints at, there is a form of social proof a ‘released’ man enjoys once he’s been cut from women’s Hypergamous equation. To understand how this works we need to remember that Hypergamy is fundamentally rooted in doubt:

The Abdication Imperative

Hypergamy is rooted in doubt. Hypergamy is an inherently insecure system that constantly tests, assesses, retests and reassesses for optimal reproductive options, long-term provisioning, parental investment, and offspring and personal protection viability in a potential mate. Even under the most secure of prospects hypergamy still doubts. The evolutionary function of this incessant doubt would be a selected-for survival instinct, but the process of hypergamy’s assessment requires too much mental effort to be entirely relegated to women’s subconscious. Social imperatives had to be instituted not only to better facilitate the hypergamous process, but also to reassure the feminine that men were already socially pre-programmed to align with that process.

Dumping a woman is the highest form of social proof for a man.

In no uncertain terms he demonstrates to her that he has the supreme confidence he can find another woman with better prospect than her. Even if this isn’t the pretext of the breakup, this is the message in the medium that she understands; she doesn’t measure up to his expectations.

This then is further compounded by the unconscious knowledge that it should be women who are socially in charge of the sexual selection and approval process. When a man dumps a woman he demonstrably takes that agency away from her.

However, the effectiveness of that social proof for the dumped woman is only proportional to the doubt that he may have been a better, more optimal Hypergamic choice for her. We understand the effectiveness even a fabricated perception of preselection has on women, but depending on the psychological impact a man has, post-selection and the uncertainty of his long term fitness can be so powerful it can create an Alpha Widow of her.

Hypergamous doubt makes women creatures of constant comparison. Thus, when (if) she makes another intimate connection after that breakup, the new guy is held next to the comparison of the previous one. Once that comparison is made, that post-selection value of the previous guy (or lack thereof) becomes reinforced for her.

Starting Over

Women have a biological imperative to restart the Hypergamic process far more rapidly than men when they’re younger and closer to their SMV peak. They have more time to capitalize on it.

However, once they are on the opposite side of the Wall and men are ascending to their own SMV peak, “getting over” the relationship is equated with remarriage because men have the SMV advantage. That previous husband or LTR lover has the power of selection and confirmation she no longer holds as she did in her youth.

Women have far less marketability and prospect to restart that Hypergamic process once this agency exchanges hands with men. They’ve lost on a perceived long-term investment. Thus her brooding fixates on his ease of finding a new mate, with his remarriage being the context of finalizing that break with her.

I should also add that rarely is consideration is given to the incentives and reasons for the breakup whatsoever on her part. Convenient social conventions aid her in thinking she is blameless in the circumstances that led to the split and he is heartless for “getting over’ her at all, much less quickly. We are left to presume that it’s he who should suffer the same or more. He should be pining for her, he should be regretting the split.

It’s far easier for a man to move on with new women when his benchmark for intimacy was set by a sexless marriage to an authoritarian, shaming, shrew. Maybe it’s that thought that really hurts – it was easy to get over her because the opt out for him is sooooo much better a prospect than a lifetime of having to untangle her hangups about him.

Final Thought

Bear in mind this post-selection dynamic is only effective insofar as a man’s SMV can be actualized outside of his previous relationship.

Women only contemplate whether a man has moved on from her quickly when they care to concern themselves with it. If it was she who initiated the breakup with her Beta husband/LTR women are simply indifferent to what the guy is doing a year or so down the road.

Nothing is more satisfying to a woman than to believe she’s figured a man out using her mythical feminine intuition. This works in a positive sense when a man leads her to believe she’s genuinely got inside his head, but it also works in the self-convincing negative sense when she dismisses a guy who no longer qualifies for her long term (or short term sexual) hypergamic interests.

The satisfying feminine indignation comes from convincing herself he was never really as invested as he led her to believe he was. Thus the loss of investment is converted to betrayal and becomes a source of self-righteousness despite any circumstance she contributed to the break herself.

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Luke
Luke
4 years ago

August 11th, 2015 at 9:43 pm

Ph.D. Author, Radio Talk Show Host, Sexpert, Metaphysician, Motivational Speaker, Holistic Practitioner, and Ordained Reverend

So, she’s not Christian, then.

1 Timothy 2:12 covers this quite clearly.New Living Translation
I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.”

Not Born This Morning
4 years ago

Good post.

……..and her solipsistic hamster spins her wheel of illusion regardless of what happens in the real world.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” I’ve had men who were CEOs, men who were fighters, body builders, artists, men of all types and none could ever compare to the boy I first loved who lived 4 houses down my old street when I was 13.”

… you read that gentlemen.

Personally, I think those men she mentioned must’ve absolutely sucked, but I get it about the ” first “.

Women’s brains.

Badpainter
Badpainter
4 years ago

@ maddy

And they say a woman’s past doesn’t matter…

But your honesty is appreciated.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I’ve pulled panties off of 14 y.olds, 15 y. olds, etc., but the sweetest was Mrs. Gamer, who was virgin. Still, I remember my first lay with great fondness. Also my first gf. Love, even.

Did anyone else think that maddy was humblebragging.

redlight
redlight
4 years ago

LTRs without kids is like it is laid out here, and the p=primary LTR seems a clever idea. Now how do you have kids in the land of divorce rape? You both marry at 28, she one level below you (say you are a 7, she’s a 6). You immediately have kids (at least two), and by the seven year itch, you’ve been doing all the standard stuff: better job, leadership, dress better, keep in shape, increased social, know more. She is 35 post wall with a body that pushed out two kids. You are 35 at the peak of… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@theasdgamer

Did anyone else think that maddy was humblebragging.

No. Just plain old bragging.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@redlight

Get married (obviously in the strictly legal sense) to a hetero male friend. Have children with an LTR chick. If she goes loopy, you claim you’re in a stable marriage and she’s a single mom. Watch the judge’s head explode as you find the loophole in our female divorce rape system.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

I wonder… does what Maddy say still hold true today? Let’s say with a 20 year old? I get the deal with Alpha widows, but the younger gals seem to be playing a much different game in which they aren’t in touch with their ” feels ” and don’t give much deep thought to..well…anything. For the record I remember my first. She was a virgin at the time. She still ranks in the top 5 hottest chicks I’d banged, but there’s no real sentimentality about it. She was 1/2 Puerto Rican and 1/2 Philipina ( my sister referred to her… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
4 years ago

38-22-36? At 14?! Hoo. Not sure if awesome or just weird. That said, that’s prolly going nowhere good in ten years. Anyways, yeah. Degree of attraction is basically a function of strength of emotions felt for a woman. When you’re 15 and feeling all sorts of feels for the first time, you feel that shit pretty strongly. Can an alpha supplant her widowhood? In most cases, likely yes to a degree. But there will always be some lingering fondness, methinks. Feeriker was talking last thread about how you need to really get a girl pretty young to ‘own her soul.’… Read more »

eric
eric
4 years ago

Monogamy isn’t natural, and unfortunately we can’t fuck around like we used to 50,000 years ago and stay single. Here’s the article

bigthink.com/think-tank/how-to-make-love-like-a-caveman/

Society ruined the fun

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
4 years ago
Reply to  eric

@Red knight “I love this article because it highlights the indignation of the female psyche when the male flips the script.” Billy wilder… @The lone planet “Learn to be alone.” Outside I am limitless. The red pill is all nature is Rollo just writes that for are species. We’ll said @Blaximus ” The few, The loud, The SEEN “. Motion ” not knowing how to get out of their own way and break the programming that binds them. It’s heartbreaking, but so is psoriasis.” Out of all the the shit the red pill has done for me this is still… Read more »

Vitriol
Vitriol
4 years ago

“Nothing can ever compare to it. I’ve had men who were CEOs, men who were fighters, body builders, artists, men of all types and none could ever compare to the boy I first loved who lived 4 houses down my old street when I was 13.” We can’t make shit like this up. I hope this is some elaborate troll to prove the whole alpha widow thing is true for people who find the site through Google. Yes… the loser down the street who was selling street scag weed and stealing Sega CD games from the mall is the ultimate… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Ok, here’s a pic, YaReally. You were asking for one. http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-style/news/christie-brinkley-sexy-bikini-photo-60-years-old-201551 Yeah, too bad, you didn’t really think I would send you a bikini pic of my wife did you, young whippersnapper? lolz Horizontally speaking, gravity is an older woman’s friend. Jowls and fat folds disappear. (Not that Mrs. Gamer has fat folds. She has a little jowling.) Mrs. Gamer’s body looks something like the pic. Drop 5″ in height and proportional weight, then add back in 15 lbs.. Smallish C-cups. Mrs. Gamer’s face looks younger than CB’s face. Mrs. Gamer’s hair looks better, too. Left alone in a bar… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@Rollo

I don’t think any of us wondered that. I think we wonder how the hell you can put up with the persistently obnoxious ones.

You have the patience of a saint, sir.

lh
lh
4 years ago

Maddy seems to be one of those girls not understanding how male and female game differs. “I have options and the big love is for this other (but not for you)” works wonderfully on girls. It doesn’t work on men though, it turns us off. If you want to get that man, Maddy, you gotta give him the feeling he is the special one, true or not.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

YaReally – one point about your plan and kids etc. You don’t want to be too old as a dad to enjoy spending time with your kids. I want kids and I think late thirties to mid forties is fine if you’re in shape.

But do you really want to be running after a toddler in your early fifties or going to drop a freshman off at college when you’re nearly 70? And you may not see your grand kids at all..

imnobody00
4 years ago

@Maddy. Your post is an example that modern women are completely clueless about how men think and they are inside a delusion bubble created by their solipsism, their girlfriend’s “you-go-grrl” advice and the mass media. Let me illustrate with some fragments of your post. I will put between brackets how your words are interpreted by a female mind and by a male mind. “Dumping a woman is the highest form of social proof for a man.” In other words, most women don’t care if a guy dumps her, especially if he wasn’t meaningful to begin with. Men have to understand,… Read more »

imnobody00
4 years ago

(Comment: I meant “HER vagina is like the New York subway. I am not a native speaker of English)

hoellenhund2
4 years ago

On a different note, here’s an interesting account about the sexual dynamics in the Red Army: Were there love affairs? Of course! Girls would come to visit us, they wanted to marry us. Many couples got married right at the front. I read that good girls would choose officers, preferably elder ones. It’s natural. What about now? It’s quite the same just the selection criteria have changed. There used to be duty positions and ranks in demand, now – it’s the money. The guys whose names, as the saying goes, were familiar to everybody: heroes, who fought and were decorated… Read more »

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ChocDoc
ChocDoc
4 years ago

I like it when women take part in the discussions.
Everybody can read then, how solid the teachings of TRP are!

Lol

After the post of that woman “maddie”….it was just “check, check, check, check and check” in my mind.

The Lone Planet
The Lone Planet
4 years ago

Second verse, same as the first…
Woman. Are. Idiots.

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
4 years ago

The Art of War by Sun Tzu

“Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.”

Thank you, Rollo

YaReally
4 years ago

lol’ing hard at Maddy’s contribution. That shit should be frontpaged on every blog it would convert men by the thousands to the red pill.

Anyway in somehow even funnier news, here’s a plot twist I didn’t see coming…credit where it’s due, this is an amazing play:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49758.html

http://img.pandawhale.com/84243-Ryan-Gosling-clap-applause-gif-dWxy.gif

(terrible for the manosphere etc but in terms of PC-warfare tactics this is fantastic)

Softek
Softek
4 years ago

That pic of Roosh in Muslim garb did it. That is pretty god damn funny.

inb4 check privilege

Softek
Softek
4 years ago

Agreed about Maddy’s comment too. Wow. One plus of allowing women to comment here is that any man with half a brain gets a chance to learn about Hypergamy 101. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a woman here write anything that didn’t confirm Rollo’s theories 100% — particularly when they were trying to disprove his theories or give ‘reasons’ why they’re not true.

Lolz

YaReally
4 years ago

@Softek

The comments in the thread are awesome everyone is just going with it and we all know Feminists have no sarcasm detectors. This may go down as one of the most epic troll jobs VS feminists ever.

Of course now the red pill will be associated in the mainstream with Islam. I’m sure THAT will help recruit men who need help.

Badpainter
Badpainter
4 years ago

The paranoid within me wonders if Roosh might be working at something other than merely ironic in his embracing the character of a spokesman for the modern caliphate.

bob bitchin
bob bitchin
4 years ago

rollo is bang on.
i get what roosh is doing. he’s exposing the fascist feminst thought police who dominate discourse in the anglo sphere. it is necessary. is he the right guy? no. he is bitter and angry. something is off.with roosh.
as usual, great essay rollo. i re read your stuff. deep. takes time to absorb. you are doing men a great service.
thanks bro. peace
ps think of me, my brothers, i actually life in this frozen hellhole ( canaduh )

YaReally
4 years ago

@Rollo
“It won’t be a feminist that shoots him and half his audience.”

My thinking too. As much as I love the troll job, this could theoretically lead to some actual race/religion-war type consequences (on both sides) from people who don’t know he’s trolling.

I can’t even guess how this is going to pan out. This is so far outside of the box.

fnd
fnd
4 years ago

“Roosh is playing with fire.
It won’t be a feminist that shoots him and half his audience.”
Roosh died for our red pillz. And seriously, it’s not like Islam disagrees with him either. Western women are all whores for muslim men.

Badpainter
Badpainter
4 years ago

YaReally – “…this could theoretically lead to some actual race/religion-war type…”

The great beta mass awaits a charismatic leader, violence is the usual result when such a leader arrives.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“This is so far outside of the box.”

It was predicted even before he started his tour.

“. . . it’s not like Islam disagrees with him either.”

It was also pointed out that he is actually following a fairly conventional path for a man with a liberal Muslim background, that his turn to a traditionalist mindset was to be fully expected at exactly his age.

Jay Will
Jay Will
4 years ago

Roosh is moving increasingly towards his end goal, which is the male collective managing and controlling the female, with him as king. Its implied in hypergamy theory that its bad for society when women are sexually free as many men end up being cut out of the game, and there likely being consequences to those mens mental states, productivity etc. I think there is a mistaken tendency amongst some thinking that “game” is a solution to the problem of hypergamy, when really it is an individual solution not a society wide solution. Boyfriend destroyer routines does not a society make.… Read more »

Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
4 years ago

Imam Roosh will totally confound the SJWorriers, who as noted are obliged to apologize and defer to hard-core Muslim culture. Because to them Western Civilization was so much worse than anything anyone else ever did ever ever ever so they must shut up and check their Caucasoid privilege. With that mindset comes the complete avoidance of the patriarchal nature of the fundie Muslim world. Therefore the SJW’s will genuflect to the Imam and they will fail to make the linkup with the secular manosphere. Any attack on him will be rebranded and vollied back as being Muslim-intolerant. Though I could… Read more »

kobayashii1681
4 years ago

@Onder: “There’s a reason why the Sultans of Turkey kept harems, because it works.”

Yes, it does….

Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
4 years ago

And to make it blindingly obvious, TRP folks can always have plausible deniability for the Imam’s antics, stunts and pronouncements: that’s not us, that’s just the Imam, calling his followers with a qawalli chant.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
4 years ago

See how powerful the feminine imperative is , it is so powerful and open and loud. (for fuck sake, you still can’t hear it!) First, Connecting the manosphere to unattractive angry men. Second, Connecting the manosphere to neo nazi / white supremacists. Third, Connecting the manosphere to Islam (thanks for Roosh) . Are we witnessing the implosion of the manosphere? Hypergamy doesn’t care what the color of your eyes , what race you are, what religion you choose. Ps There should be 2 more red pills, one for the Religion Matrix and one for the Racist Matrix. Thank you Rollo… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . race will split them.” I will point out that even his predilection for Eastern Europe is traditional. They are an ancient enemy, the women are desirably fair and fine featured and, most importantly of all, his use of them is without sin as they are infidel. He can turn to conservative Islamic religious views with nothing to repent. They are the very people who gave the name to slavery and his ancestors sold them in the markets. “Imam Roosh will totally confound the SJWorriers . . .” I’m keeping a watch on how Vox Day will… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
4 years ago

Wait a minute.

I thought Roosh repudiated the PUA life as hedonistic misanthropy, the MRAs as misguided FI quislings and the MGTOWs as omega losers and parasites? Didn’t he also call BS on evo-psych, which is the intellectual basis of the Redpill?

If he’s thrown the ‘sphere under the bus, then it seem there’s significant space between his messianic movement and the ‘sphere writ large.If he’s only talking to a couple dozen deciples at a time it seems he’s more Koresh than Jesus.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
4 years ago

And I thought feminists will unearth Roosh’s Islamic background!
Shit! He did it himself !

Ps
In one of his posts, Mulla Roosh was advocating for not bringing Muslims to America, now he is asking Muslims to help him!?.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Fred Flange: “I could have sworn his resurgent religiosity was due to an Eastern Orthodox background . . .” Rollo: “This Islam parody is a simple (desperate) necessity to garner more attention to himself.” His mother’s family was from Armenia, so he can plausibly swing either way as a tactic, but once you invoke religion you are no longer allowed to sit on the fence. They will force you to pick a side. The only out would be to formally position his Neomasculinity as a distinct religious cult and martyrdom as a retirement plan is not without precedent. “Anyone still… Read more »

lh
lh
4 years ago

“I think there is a mistaken tendency amongst some thinking that “game” is a solution to the problem of hypergamy, when really it is an individual solution not a society wide solution. Boyfriend destroyer routines does not a society make.” I don’t want to spoil your party, but Islam is/was the last society-wide solution to hypergamy. Islam and other conservatives could very well be allies, giving them the necessary power to do something. I personally sympathize with neither though. Roosh surely isn’t seeing this. He is playing troll-games for attention and money. And I don’t see any SJW’s going on… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“If he’s only talking to a couple dozen deciples at a time it seems he’s more Koresh than Jesus.”

Q.E.D.

Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
4 years ago

No there will be no Red Pill implosion. There are just threads, some keep going and get stronger, others spiral off into nothing. Tarring TRP with its most outrageous outliers is of course a common tactic a la Anti-GamerGaters – that beating will continue until morale improves. But the same can be done with so-called “mainstream” feminism and SJWorrying. Remember a lot of their stuff is being taught academically, which we are not supposed to notice when we are told that NAFeministsALT. (See The Other McCain for more of this, though frankly he overkills it at times with rebroadcasts of… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
4 years ago

“our most meaningful relationships were always the ones we had in our early youth (think: 13-17 years old)” women are running af/bb right out of the gate. daddy is the bux, providing the home, food, clothing, vacations, etc. while her first chosen alpha has no responsibilities other than to fuck her good. when he’s fucking her at that age she’s not thinking about her job, to-do lists, money problems, what the relationship will mean to her social status…. just how good it feels and how much she loves the butterflies she experiences waiting for the next chance to give it… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Fred Flange: “don’t legally invest in her unless you know for certain that you own her.”

Marriage is not a limited liability partnership. Gamble only money, and only that money you can afford to walk away from.

Rollo: “Here we go”

I seem to recall that there is a saying about djinn and bottles.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
4 years ago
Reply to  fleezer

@lh “As we know the white-knight wants to qualify himself for intimacy. As long as they do that, they have hope and not the necessary desperation for amok.” Makes me think of Rollos comment on the shootings. Only bring that up because in my first year of high school columbine happened and went back to read a book about it because the day it happened April 20th 1999 I opened the door and my mom and sister looked at me and said something in the like of “your not planning on doing this? While pointing to the footage of people… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@bp If he’s only talking to a couple dozen deciples at a time it seems he’s more Koresh than Muhammad. FTFY, you ethnically insensitive shitlord. You’re right though. What’s really off about the whole thing is where it’s gotten confusing at his base ideas what’s straight up trolling and parody, what’s his actual beliefs, and what’s a place where he looks like he’s trolling but he actually believes it. Poe’s Law is all up in there. Maybe this is his goal and he’s doing it all on purpose, but I’m really not sure since I don’t know the guy personally.… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
4 years ago

This is from Roosh twitter :

@rooshv You are not alone my muslim brother. Do not worry, you have friends in Toronto and we will not stand for this hatred. Allah Akbar

LAUGHING OUT LOUD.
Allah akbar for Roosh!
Sandra LaMorgese is “ordained reverend ”
So is ordained Imam Roosh.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Sun Wukong: He has had a strategy for years, RoK was the initial move in it, but it has never been more than half baked. His tactics have been, at best, rather seat of the pants, and at worst forced on him when he found himself backed into a corner by his own previous tactic. It’s hard to tell what he’s about because he doesn’t know. He’s got his hands on the tiller, so he may well think he’s in control, but he doesn’t know how to work the sails, so he isn’t steering a course so much as he’s… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
4 years ago

don’t legally INVEST in her unless you know for certain that you OWN her.

Mr. Fleezer, i have to say that i really enjoy our posts

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
4 years ago

Correction: Mr. Fleezer, i have to say that i really enjoy your posts

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

And I attributed to Fred Flange what was written by Fleezer. That’s the sort of shit that can happen when I let my fingers run on autopilot. My apologies.

Badpainter
Badpainter
4 years ago

Sun Wukong – ” …you ethnically insensitive shitlord.”

Yep. I’ve even sculpted Mo a couple of times for max 3D insensitivity.

DrKno
DrKno
4 years ago

@ Rollo:

Seen this?

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/08/tinder-hook-up-culture-end-of-dating

Red pill is real, gents….Oh so real…smh

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@bp

I’ve even sculpted Mo

And immediately my brain goes to picturing The Three Stooges in turbans.

Badpainter
Badpainter
4 years ago

@ Sun Wukong

Don’t give me any ideas.

lh
lh
4 years ago

rugby11ljh August 13th, 2015 at 1:24 pm I surely agree that desperation is coming from a beta (or worse) position, a lack of RP knowledge and the needy desire to be loved. But other than the highschool badboy with his cheerleader harem Roosh is very open about that RP knowledge. And he doesn’t even charge enormous sums for some half baked pick-up lines. You can have a BP-believe and hope to qualify for some special snowflakes love and hate the man. But then you’re not gonna be desperate enough (yet?) to go postal. Or you are desperate and full of… Read more »

Lucien
Lucien
4 years ago

“A major problem in today’s feminist imperative is that we men don’t understand their true “value” or under-value themselves—we too often go after substandard women, we accept bad behavior, we limit themselves.

Once you understand your value or your self-esteem is solid, your interactions with women become easier, more ‘natural’ and enjoyable.”

Very true. When it comes to commitment, certainly, we can win this game. We can afford to simply wait them out and get them to prove their worth.

Gentlemen, DON’T WIFE THAT THOTIANA

YaReally
4 years ago

…just so we’re clear: you guys understand that Roosh is 100% just trolling, right? The whole thread and his Twitter etc. has everyone joining in playing along with what he’s doing (using real and fake accounts) because they know the feminists are watching his forum and can’t pick up on sarcasm and trolling and disinformation (some of them are still legitimately convinced the talk in Montreal didn’t actually happen because someone posted a disinformation story about how sad it was that the talk was cancelled and the retarded feminists are like “WHY WOULD SOMEONE WRITE THAT IF IT WASN’T TRUE??”)… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@bp

I’m almost willing to pay to have that in my apartment. Do your worst. Post pics.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@YaReally

Oh I get that this particular move is pure Black Knighting (and yes I’m amused by it), but overall he does seem very confused. That’s my point.

Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
4 years ago

Now that Vanity Fair article did bring me up short. Even if it is an overstatement of the phenomenon, it puts on speed dial (!) the RP principles: women gatekeep sex (with a swipe!), men gatekeep committment (see you again?). And the smarter women are catching on: they profess they want men to commit more, but realize they are part of the game as well, demanding and earning the right to ride the carousel and be as sex positive as any playa, since that was what feminism promised. Boy men are sure jerks. Please sir may I have some more?… Read more »

lh
lh
4 years ago

Of course Roosh is just trolling. That’s still one of his more interesting moves in the last months, if only by accident.
If he gets himself in danger by that, I see more of a danger from the Islamists. They might not like him using their religion as a cheap cover, making fun of it.

Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
Fred Flange, a/k/a Capt. Oblivious
4 years ago

@YaRwally

Yes totally get the Roosh thing is all an 8chan-style troll lulz-o-palooza. But I think the occasional forays into religiosity (in general terms, not the Mohammedism gagfest) are genuine. Bonkers in Yonkers, but genuine.

Chump No More
Chump No More
4 years ago

@Fred Lange ” Like how there’s some coupling and hooking up here and there but no dating as we know it, everybody just hangs out in groups to do things, go to dances, to shows, go out to eat, even go to prom”. Bro, I feel for you having to deal with this now. My daughter (now 25) just missed this and my (ex) stepson, now in college, was getting laid left & right in high school… no dating just hooking up. Boys don’t need to date or make any effort when the girls are handing out ALL forms of… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
4 years ago

@Rollo,
Roosh the coward is throwing everything under the bus.
He is using the naive muslem nuts as he uses the nuts on his thread.

Today he is in a mosque, tomorrow in the land of ISIL/ISIS.
His new book :
Bang ISIS! , no game needed to find a virgin! ,all you need is a diaper to place it on your head and a suicide vest.

Shiva
Shiva
4 years ago

What Roosh has can be aptly described as a “mercantile mentality” i.e. for short-term profit even ones own mother or daughters are up for sale. He will don the cap of imam one day and stuff bacon and wine on another if thats what is needed of him. He is applying rational irrationality for his short-term gain regardless of losses to others. And why shouldn’t he(in his mind) make hay while the sun shines, when masses are so used to following The Drama family, the Kardashians. One thing I do not get is that some posters here want Rollo and… Read more »

Shiva
Shiva
4 years ago

“I hate being the guy that has to spell it out but from the responses here I’m not entirely sure some of you guys realize what he’s doing and actually think he’s serious.”

Yep, totally mercantile. But most of his sheeple might believe he is serious.
He does not stand of anything concrete right now, else he would not have been so docile on Dr. Oz’s show. He should have been dishing out bitter red pills left-right in that interview.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” . . . you guys understand that Roosh is 100% just trolling, right?”

I fully understand the stunt aspect of it, the flipping the script, the Rule 4 and the commercial aspects of what he’s doing that provides the drive behind it.

I understood it at the original RoK Fat Shaming Week, two years ago.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

I could give less than a fuck what Roosh is up to. I used to read his blog but I found him to be very intense and intelligent, followed by being very stupid and dull. Gone a few rounds with him in comment sections over the years ( CH too..) and I’ve come to the conclusion that in the future, the Manosphere will be much better off without clowns and supremacists. There are already venues for clowns and supremacists. All men are under the gun, so all men need to come together in some fashion, if for no other reason… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@Shiva Github guys seem to have not learnt anything from game gate. The mere fact that github has wasted time and effort on SJW window dressing bullshit and has treated it as SRSBZNS has driven a lot of engineers who have no racial, ethnic, or other pronounced bias (myself included) off. We don’t have time for their bullshit from a tool that is there for us to distribute code, not political stances. Fuck them and fuck their slacktivism. If I wanted my code with a side of SJWism I’d ask my employer’s HR department to start handling my source control.… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
4 years ago

vanity fair article was hilarious “They talk about how it’s not uncommon for their hookups to lose their erections.” these are guys in their 20s. they should be good to go. maybe their brains are telling them that banging out some skank they just met on a sex app, who already got banged out by five other random dudes that week isn’t the best idea. the cock is wise. funny too that it’s all boasting from the dudes, and never “yeah, bro, I couldn’t get it up, again”. high five. “It would be great if they could just have the… Read more »

Jack-Jack
Jack-Jack
4 years ago

This is o/t but this ish is too good not to share . have any of you seen this in Vanity Fair? trigger warning: hamster in overdrive <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/08/tinder-hook-up-culture-end-of-dating&quot; rel=" '…Men in the age of dating apps can be very cavalier, women say. One would think that having access to these nifty machines (their phones) that can summon up an abundance of no-strings-attached sex would make them feel happy, even grateful, and so inspired to be polite. But, based on interviews with more than 50 young women in New York, Indiana, and Delaware, aged 19 to 29, the opposite seems… Read more »

Jack-Jack
Jack-Jack
4 years ago

@fleezer

Beat me to it

lh
lh
4 years ago

Rollo Tomassi August 13th, 2015 at 4:13 pm I agree with everything you said there about Roosh. But think about it: Isn’t all that alpha? Forgive my trolling you, but I’m almost serious. That behavior is what the manosphere teaches. And I know enough about it to understand how well it works with women. Imagine everyone learns that lesson as well as Roosh. How shall the men deal with each other? Is there room for companionship if you want to max your sexy alphaness? Probably not. I don’t know where this line of thought leads, I’m just asking questions. Loading...

8 in the Gate
8 in the Gate
4 years ago

It must be true. A 60 year old woman sang it was so…

Reba McEntire’s ‘Going Out Like That’ Named Best Song of Summer 2015.

“He thought she’d be sitting home crying,
but she ain’t goin’ out like that.
She’s had enough of feeling like dying,
she ain’t goin’ out like that.”

…you just can’t get away from this stuff…

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
4 years ago
Reply to  8 in the Gate

@fleezer
Spot on

@lh
“Especially if the mainstream says that man is full of hate – just like you!”

I didn’t mean for it to come off that way. About to practice rugby and was just thinking how much is misunderstood and how much doesn’t have to be with red pill awareness. Seems I may may have put in some typos in that post as well.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
4 years ago

@YaReally

Thanks yet again for taking all the time you do with all the great, insightful comments and links. You’re really helping a ton of the younger guys out in an entirely different way than Rollo does. Yours is an excellent companion viewpoint to Rollo’s evo-psych focus, and to hear field-tested PUA expertise presented in a clear and humorous way is golden. Your positive-yet-no-BS attitude and practical advice is always a breath of fresh air and totally inspirational (pun intended).

Also, your running commentary on the adventures of Roosh has been completely entertaining.

kobayashii1681
4 years ago

@Sun on ma(niac)ddy: Exactly…pitch fucking perfect, Q.E.D! Hamster solipsism denies truth, and in doing so, reveals it.

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Sergio
Sergio
4 years ago

I divorced a year ago. She cheated on my and started with the usual: I don’t love you anymore, now I just see you as the father of my children and so. Now I have a girlfriend, ten years younger than me (I’m 35), prettier and hotter than my ex. Now my ex want’s me back, she says that she can’t imagine growing old along with someone els (she’s 36). Her no-longer-Beta ex husband has some SMV after all, LOL.

Jay Will
Jay Will
4 years ago

@lh

why would you be spoiling my party? I’ve no idea why you think your comment would do that.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
4 years ago

Case in point is Sandra LaMorgese who is a divorcee and Ph.D who currently has the top article in the Love and Sex section. I can hear the wheel spinning.

She’s described as an ordained Reverend and a dominatrix. Quite the combination.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

John the Other being amusingly clueless, to come to the right conclusion:

Jay Will
Jay Will
4 years ago

@YaReally

“…just so we’re clear: you guys understand that Roosh is 100% just trolling, right?”

Quote somebody who sounded like they thought it was legit.

kobayashii1681
4 years ago

Hehe…that Vanity fair article though… I think social media and the pervasiveness of open hypergamy will slowly but surely bring “the wall” closer to women. As more men become aware due to curiosity or just by circumstance this lamenting hook up culture while partaking, will continue….As sensei says, “The medium is the message”. The FI will continue to try to control and limit male sexuality (see Iron Rules of Tomassi) but Tinder, etc are making it hard in an age where women have become conspicuous attention junkies/whores…so men who become RP aware become like the robber barons…Attention is the currency… Read more »

Jay Will
Jay Will
4 years ago

“I’ve come to the conclusion that in the future, the Manosphere will be much better off without clowns and supremacists. There are already venues for clowns and supremacists.” By supremacists do you mean people who would rather live in an area where their race is predominant? Am I a supremacist if Id rather my own grow up in predominantly white area? Does this apply to non-whites as well? Whats the racial demographic of your family, close friend, work mates and extended geographical area? What are you doing to end racism? Race IS the only political area that matters, THATS why… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

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