One of the results of becoming Red Pill aware is a meta “awareness” of the feminine centric social order we live in today. On this side of the Red Pill it’s almost routine for me now to filter what’s presented to me in popular media, social doctrine or even casual conversation through a Red Pill lens.
Whether it’s the latest pop hit lyrics of a song my daughter is listening to in the bathroom, the latest movie or book, or just listening to someone rattle off an old Blue Pill trope in casual conversation, my sensitivity to how thoroughly immersed in fem-cetrism our society has become is overwhelming.
I’ve had guys in the manosphere joke with me that having this ‘lens’ is like having the special glasses that let you see the alien/zombies and propaganda in the movie They Live. While I get a laugh out of this I also have to think that those glasses never really come off. So when the holiday season comes around this awareness manifests itself more for me since I’m reacquainting myself with family and friends who are immersed in this Matrix and don’t realize they’re mouthing the meme’s and social focus of a feminine centric order.
I think it’s kind of ironic that during the holidays we’re expected to lock horns with our relatives over the latest generational/political/ideological differences, yet these all take place in a common, feminized social narrative. Your uncle may not agree with you politically, but he’ll slap you on the back while you both drink a beer and say, “Women ‘eh? I guess we’ll never figure ’em out” and expect you to have some common agreement with him in spite of those differences.
I bring this up today (and for this weekend’s discussion questions) because it was due to this seasonal Red Pill awareness that I was better prepared to appreciate the holiday classic, It’s a Wonderful Life from a Red Pill perspective.
I’d just returned from a work trip last week and my daughter informed me that the movie was being shown in our local metroplex theater on Christmas eve. I’d seen it before on TV with all the intermittent commercials, and remembered how tedious I thought it was (it’s a pretty long movie for 1946), but she insisted and I wanted to do something with the family. I’ve never watched the movie start to finish, and when I did pick up scenes on TV during Christmas time, it was long before I had any Red Pill inclination.
Needless to say I was shocked (pleasantly) by how thoroughly Red Pill I found it. If you want to see what a pre-sexual revolution gender dynamic is like, this is your movie. Yes, it’s idyllic, but that idealism is founded in a social order, an ‘old books‘ social order, that reveals what our new feminine-primary social order is today. It shows you what we’ve become, but unfortunately the greater whole of our contemporary society lack the special glasses to really appreciate this distinction.
Some notable scenes:
- George Bailey, the cab driver Ernie and the cop Bert ogle the sexy Violet Bick after she flirts with George and just flows down a busy street to be checked out all the more by every man on the street. In modern terms these men are all guilty of sexual harassment, but in 1928 (the film’s beginning) and viewed from a 1946 perspective of that time, there is nothing harassing about it. It’s de rigueur, and she enjoys the attention.
- The family interaction between George, his brother Harry, and their father with Ma Bailey just prior to Harry’s graduation party. There is matronly deference to their mother, but both of the boys are being boys and there is no expectation for them to settle down. Both the brothers are naturally, effortlessly, cocky & funny with the maid and their mother. This isn’t a forced attitude, it comes off as both positively masculine and fun at the same time. Also, their father is the respected head of the household, both by virtue of his social status and integrity as well as his position as ‘father’. Needless to say, he’s never ridiculed as the buffoon he’d be portrayed as on a post-sexual revolution social order, and in fact dispenses a wisdom that benefits George later in life.After the graduation party George and Mary walk home in the odd dry clothes they were able to find after having fallen into the school pool. Mary is in a bathrobe and George in a football outfit. This flirtation and interaction is perhaps one of the best examples I can think of as an old order form of Game. George is cocky, funny, confident, ambitious, playfully teasing and yet still conscious of Mary’s perception of him as he effortlessly delivers a positive, masculine vibe.Again, it’s idyllic, and men being the true romantics will want to believe such receptivity could actually take place without any confusion of signals with an idealized, Quality Woman woman like Mary, but it’s the atmosphere and the attitude of expecting Mary to respond to George’s delivery that belies the era this scene and story was written in. Nothing seems forced at all, and we don’t expect Mary to match George’s masculine Game with one of her own feminine-empowered forms of Game. From a Red Pill perspective, we want a gal like Mary to exist, but you wont find her in 2014.
These were just a few scenes I thought stood out, but this film is an essay in the old order social structure a lot of well meaning Red Pill advocates would like to believe is still a possibility.
In the last thread commenter Xsplat asked the question whether an Alpha man could also be a provider. His criticism of the manosphere is that Alpha men are being painted as caricatures of cads, assholes and bad boy players women want to bang as part of their Hypergamous mating protocol. Betas are the opposite of this; good for provisioning only – cuckolds to be used for parental investment with only a perfunctory servicing of mediocre ‘duty’ sex as an intermittent reward to keep him pulling the cart.
If there are caricatures of Alpha and Beta being drawn I’d suggest this is due more to women and their comfort with Open Hypergamy and men deductively modeling their gender expectations as a result. That said, Xsplat’s not wrong. It is entirely possible for an archetypal Alpha Man to be an upstanding member of society, provide for his family and be well respected both by his peers and his wife. The character of George Bailey is an old order example of exactly this kind of man.
In our era women have an unprecedented facility for providing for their own security need, but that doesn’t eliminate the root level, emotional need for optimizing Hypergamy with a man who is an Alpha provider. For the most part women simply don’t expect to find this optimization in the same man. There are men they want to fuck and men they want to consolidate monogamy with, and finding this satisfaction in the same man is so rare, so unexpected, that his character becomes unbelievable. The George Bailey of 1928 is an unbelievable character in 2014.
As I’ve illustrated in many a prior post, Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic. Just because the Alpha energy of a kid like Corey Worthington will get him laid without trying doesn’t preempt a woman from being aroused by, and attracted to a George Bailey. Context is king of course, but what matters is that self-interested Alpha mindset. While many a convicted felon possesses this mindset, and receives women’s sexual interests as a result of it, I’d still encourage men to use that Alpha energy to a positive, self-benefiting effect.
So the questions for this weekend are:
What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society? It’s dangerous to attempt to make others aware of this perception, but do you try anyway?
Do you see examples of the old order as I have in It’s a Wonderful Life? Understanding the idealisms inherent in it, what other examples of this old order to you know?
Alpha providers, while being an idealistic character, can exist, but are they realistic? I’d propose that embodying this role has become one of being seen too readily as a Beta by women due to the unbelievability of it. Does men’s romantic nature predispose them to thinking they can adequately fulfill this role? Does that romanticism expect women to be receptive and appreciative of it? Is that expectation on of investing in Relational Equity?
Awesome post again Rollo and a timely piece for this time of year. @ blogster – totally relate & agree with your observations as an Australian… * What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society? The MSM in general, but cute sports presenters, commentators & reporters in the MSM. Every female I know or ever knew is totally indifferent to most sports, yet more and more I see very cute sports presenters, commentators & reporters dominating MSM (now it’s more of a case of the token male reporter) and pretending to be so into sports. I know… Read more »
re: cute sport presenters. I don’t watch, but this reminded me of a question. We can follow the sounds of girls squealing to determine the current Dream Date guys; the Tiger Beat – like teen celebrities, such as Harry Styles, whose fatheads adorn girls’ walls these days. But who are the Dream Girls of today? Who are the teen pinups? Are there any? Even back when, the pinup “girl” of the 1960s and 1970s was 30 yrs old, like Brigitte Bardot, Farrah Fawcett, etc. Are there *any* major pinup teen girls, the way there are dozens or hundreds of major… Read more »
In my extended Family I am the only physiclly and mentally capable man out of 30 “people/children”. Most of the other guys have become seriously physically or mentally ill, are frail in old age or have checked out / escaped completely. Right now I am treated like a king even though all they all know I fool around, spin plates etc (recently been caught) . The fact is they NEED me to teach their kids to drive, move furniture, fix electronics, etc etc. Women without functioning men are INCREDIBLY needy, there is just so much they can’t do without a… Read more »
The physically and mentally ill ones have been completely blue pill for 20 years and have not looked after themselves (physically or mentally) and are now paying the ultimate price (looming death)
For those who can read between the lines and for record.
I am very well aware that I am suck in a feminist family (both sides) FI that has literally destroyed / worn out 8-10 men and I am getting out soon (with my son so he is not stuck in that matrix)
@jf12 Re.: dread I normally don’t like to be even pushy to anyone, yet, with the red pill, discovered that one can change the conduct of a woman, more so, one _must_ change the conduct of woman to fit what one wants or humour unhappiness. In my case, the alternative is a divorce which I can’t afford plus she destroying my financial situation. The dread in my case became _major_ dread when she started sniffing into my phone and computer and discovered messages, and a pic, of women I’d been gaming. This made here at once become screechy for a… Read more »
BuenaVista & Rocket – Just a few first-hand observations to follow on your comments about ALPHA providers. BuenaVista – “…women over 30 calibrate resources as quickly as they check out a man’s physique, and as females age the presence or absence of resources becomes primary in their hierarchy of needs.” So very true. Let me share my experiences in a moment. Rocket – “…An Alpha who actually EARNED HIS MONEY … nope, women do not believe such a man exists.” I’m going to disagree. I think it is that women expect that MOST Alphas they will likely meet and want… Read more »
@Anubis. That’s what I’m talking about. In your years of dating you learned the alpha set of social skills. It takes continual dating to do that. And alpha LTR skills overlap, but are still a distinct skill set. It takes living with women – multiple women over many years, to get better at that too. Your old self would never recognize your new self. Imaging trying to talk to your old self and explain? It’s like trying to talk to people on blogs and forums who have no personal life experience with a subject. Alpha provider? Oh, no, it’s not… Read more »
If you read old crime fiction, especially guys like Dashiell Hammett and Erle Stanley Gardner, to a lesser extent Raymond Chandler you see they were viewing everything with a Red Pill lens. Hammett especially, The Maltese Falcon, the Continental Op, even Nick and Nora Charles had red pill banter. Their heirs, Ross and John Macdonald (no relation), are studies in RP from the ’40s and ’60s, respectively. It’s funny, the very first Spenser novel by Robert B. Parker was RP, but then you figure his publisher made him add a touchy female character. Susan, the shrink, who brings precisely nothing… Read more »
You wrote: “Sadly, the fact that these guys wrote on Red Pill themes doesn’t have quite as much impact on their own lives.”
They write it, but do not live it.
It’s like the grown men that spend time on and pay attention to professional sports and professional politics… rather than becoming the professional athlete or replacing the politician with a household name. They make points referring to well-funded (and scripted) political history volumes rather than being the one that’s changing history.
@Rollo writes: “Whether it’s the latest pop hit lyrics of a song my daughter is listening to in the bathroom, the latest movie or book” ——— The boys writing about politics in the comments may not be aware of the lyrics of the songs we’ve made globally popular in recent years… or the science behind them. But they should be aware that a similar science is applied in making them believe that their regurgitated political opinions and “history” are utilizing the same kind of science used in the creation of popular music and Television: Victor Pride writes: Television completely takes… Read more »
Amazing story, thanks for sharing.
“It’s dangerous to attempt to make others aware of this perception, but do you try anyway?” I’m trying to do it by “showing” instead of “telling” — lead by example. But even then, ‘leading by example’ is an unintentional byproduct of simply focusing completely on myself. It reminds me of a zen koan. Think of this koan in the context of unplugging from the matrix, improving yourself, and focusing on how to re-create yourself as an alpha and getting the abundant life that you really want… …while wondering about other guys that are still plugged in, or the state of… Read more »
The entire world has changed so quickly, I think only older guys like me actually have any sense of what a less FI dominated world looked like. In my family, the men one generation back in my family came from skilled, working class stock. Either printers or stone masons for the most part – my one uncle who made it big in banking and real estate started in construction after being a Captain in the 8th air force in wwii. You know, those were the guys who flew all those bombing missions over Germany. My Uncle Richie was the kind… Read more »
Leading with your wallet seems beta as hell no matter how carefully you stage it. I am.not sure where I stand on the alpha provider. My current thinking is, if you are seen as alpha, the way you earn your cash will be (seen) as alpha. Not simply your job but how you go about your job. Back when I was making senior enlisted (E7) pay, I was banging chicks with advanced degrees making 2-3 times my income because this is the South and being military makes it socially acceptable slumming but never would been much of a provider (yay… Read more »
Glen’ s point about that kin of working/ middle class is ligit.
@ Anubis Great story, salute! the more I succeeded in my profession, the more my wife would tear me down at home in an attempt to keep my under her fat thumb That stuck out to me because I had the exact opposite experience. I’m an entrepreneur and after roughly 10 years of failures I began to have successes. As I moved up in the world my wife treated me better. The better I did, the better I was treated at home. I married my college sweetheart who was (and still is) a natural beauty. So maybe her response came… Read more »
@BuenaVista “This is demonstrated with a simple experiment: have an affair with an over-30 woman and make her happy sexually. Note that she is clearly a SIW who has no need to combine balance sheets, checking accounts, or homes. Watch her software break and circuits short.” You are exactly right. Make her vagina tingle. Over age 30, there will still be some level of ‘check-listing’ of your resources in her questions and behavior. I always chuckle at women when they even start going down that road with me. I don’t even entertain this stuff, and tease the crap out of… Read more »
@Glen You are are spot on.
As a jeans and t-shirts guy at a fancy New England college a couple decades ago, I remember overhearing “Eww, I hear he’s.. working class (giggle, giggle)” from female undergrads.
Veneers and appearances are more important than ever now. Heck, some careers have become more about brand name elite preening than anything else. I think the HR departments call it “cultural fit”. Harmless, effete people hiring other harmless, effete people.
This is why I work for myself. I focus on getting the job done for my clients and get to avoid office politics.
Brennan Clay and DeMarco Murray.
The beta provider trying to make a team gets married (soon to be divorced after four months)
(and she even calls him her room mate)
The Alpha star with a possible MVP title after the season’s over, does the fucking.
[i]That stuck out to me because I had the exact opposite experience. I’m an entrepreneur and after roughly 10 years of failures I began to have successes. As I moved up in the world my wife treated me better. The better I did, the better I was treated at home. [/i] @ zdr01dz – I’m pretty sure it was because I married a very low SMV woman and considered myself to be very, very low SMV (not that I formally knew the concept then) She was over 250 pounds when I finally left her. As she saw me come into… Read more »
she enjoys the attention. Contrary to all of the non-sense women say – they still enjoy the attention. The difference is they ONLY want that attention from the alpha’s where as in the past, they enjoyed the attention of all men as a way of seeing what they could get. Today they all think they are 10’s, where as in reality most of them are at best a 5… Of course men will bang a 5, just not do anything more… When they discover reality they get bitter… That is what you hear – the bitter ones that understand they… Read more »
@ M Simon Women (or, more accurately, breeding women) have always been in favor of prohibition and against male intoxication. Male space has traditionally included intoxication and the bonding, camaraderie, and good fun it brings. An early example would be Plato’s Symposium where the men got together to drink (for three days!!!). In the US, the salons served as male space where men could get together, drink, gamble, have fun, and be free from women. In many places in old Europe today, men still get together to drink, sometimes smoke weed, sometimes cook, eat, sing, and be free from women.… Read more »
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@ Bachelorocles The invasion and destruction of male only spaces is the FI’s effort to completely monopolize male attention. Ensuring the complete right to the labor of men is accomplished via government and redistributive economic policy. Banning male space ensures men are never free from women and their influence. Women are then always part of men’s immediate awareness and thus women are sure to receive male attention without having to actually appeal to men in order to receive it. The FI has figured out to both have and eat cake, although the quality of the cake has been degraded as… Read more »
@ Carl – “Harmless, effete people hiring other harmless, effete people.” The FI expresses itself most completely in our educational system – and that system is run for women, by women, informed by collectivist, marxist, radically egalitarian ideas and radical feminism. Such an ideology produces passive people, drowning in abstractions far removed from reality. Have you read Charles Murray’s Coming Apart? His tour through the demise of the working class in 50-60 short years that is nothing short of horrifying. 60 years ago, only 7% of working class kids were raised without Dads living with them. Most families went to… Read more »
@ Glenn Your post reminded me of a story I like a lot. I think most people living in my generation especially would do well to read this: “A farmer got so old that he couldn’t work the fields anymore. So he would spend the day just sitting on the porch. His son, still working the farm, would look up from time to time and see his father sitting there. “He’s of no use any more,” the son thought to himself, “he doesn’t do anything!” One day the son got so frustrated by this, that he built a wooden coffin,… Read more »
Some of things she did to beat me down would land any man in jail.
One of the main reasons I work for myself is that it gives me the ability to avoid negative people. I can fire employees or not take jobs from abusive customers. This keeps my blood pressure low. To me at least being around nice people is a key to happiness. I’m glad you ditched her!
EM is the code of italics. Use that instead of I. Strong is the code of bold.
I, too, am now noticing red pill vs. blue pill behavior, both in movies/TV and in real life. But I think a lot of us (myself included, at times) are too quick to label guys as alpha or beta. Take my father-in-law, for example. Very dominant personality, can build or fix anything, did well on the job with only a HS diploma. A first glance at him, anyone would say he’s an alpha, hands down. Well, not so fast…gotta scratch below the surface a bit. They sold their place a few years ago and moved to the other side of… Read more »
Your aunt giggles advocated sexual assault.( or since she’s a girl she can joke about that)
Glen you are way off black dysfunction is many times higher then Whites even at the same SES. The smallest amount of research disproves your point
Feeling like you have to self censor what you say seems pretty beta to me
Situation would dictate of course but I think that will stand for most encounters
@Badpainter “Ensuring the complete right to the labor of men is accomplished via government and redistributive economic policy.” I don’t come here to debate economics. There’s a very good argument to be made that free market economics harms men even more as it results in a society of men very much resembling professional sports in which very few own most everything, hoard all wealth (including women) leaving most men in squalor. And it also begs why the manosphere tends to embrace right wing economics and yet tends to laud women from the socialist (and more civilized) nations in Europe. Doesn’t… Read more »
I can remember as a kid listening to my grandparents talk. One time they were talking about the son of one of their friends whose business had just failed. My grandmother said “well, he couldn’t make a go of it so I guess he’ll have to go be somebody else’s man.” I don’t know about the north, but that was definitely a southron attitude a few generations back. Farmers were their own boss. Same with all sorts of business owners and employees tended to be young and just starting out. Keep in mind, this is rural and agrarian. Even a… Read more »
@sfcton re: “the act of providing seems inherently beta.”
Yes, it is. What makes a beta a beta is that he feels HE must provide food (and backrubs, and orgasms) to females.
@sfcton – the father-in-law would appear stronger and more alpha if he knew when to STFU. As the 4th law of the 48 Laws of Power says…Always Say Less Than Necessary.
@Pork-o-matic re: major dread.
I too would define major dread as her discovering women I’ve been gaming. And I concur it works for changing her into what she should be. I just wish something *else* would work.
redpill: Because men act right when they get what they want, men wrongly project that women will act better if treated better.
What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society? . Well AFBB (thanks GBFM, wherever you are) is the obvious one — really hard to miss when you have women admitting as much. But another one I’ve noticed a lot more lately is what Dalrock calls “the problem that has no name” — the tendency of women to always find reasons to be miserable and unhappy regardless of their lot in life. I see women getting “alpha fucks” who are very angry at men, calling them “assholes”, and I see women getting “beta bucks” who are “unhaaaappy”, bored… Read more »
@Retrenched re: “the problem that has no name”
Yes. The redpill lens lets us see that it is a deliberate choice by women to indulge their discontent. It’s been that way since Eve, as we all know, and Eve’s discontent will *never* be solved by her finding a better apple (or a better snake).
(link from Vox Day)
“He had this following of women, specifically”
“he was so blatant about it.” Men saw Ghomeshi as a “douchebag” with an incredible ego”
“Ghomeshi’s personality, not his audition, won him the job, says a former Play staffer … Play’s predominately female staff joked about being part of “Jian’s harem.””
“Men on the show could not stand him”
“he didn’t make eye contact with men”
This has been my experience with alphas.
[…] seems, according to the “game” experts, the problem is that men and women have it backwards. Men are acting more like women should (be nice), and women are acting more like men should (be […]
@Glenn On this blog we aren’t allowed to discuss politics because apparently Rollo is so much more ‘meta’ than all that silly stuff, but in fact, this only happens via politics Let’s substitute the word politics: On this blog we aren’t allowed to discuss professional sports because apparently Rollo is so much more ‘meta’ than all that silly stuff, but in fact, this only happens via professional sports Or, substitute the top five songs on AT40 last week. Like professional sports, politics is another well-funded game with mass influence. Choosing not to discuss this from a political standpoint shows wisdom.… Read more »
One day last week, I saw a tweet about women bitching about “manspreading” as if it were like rape, and then another tweet about women blaming widespread porn use for men’s reluctance to marry them… I thought that was a good illustration of how fem-centric modern western society has become, that men are seen as little more than appliances who exist to serve women in some capacity (sperm donors, ATMs, human shields etc.). The idea that men are human beings who have hopes, dreams and desires like women do never enters into their thinking at all.
re: “the problem that has no name”
It’s not my problem, not my fault, and not my responsibility to solve.
Some guys have had the opportunity to question old timers who were players and predated the “sexual revolution”
Women were the same, and Naturals were satisfying them in just the same way. The “sexual revolution” consisted largely of the addition of a layer of propaganda.
You might find this guy’s comments very interesting:
As the French say: “plus ca change . . . “
“It’s dangerous to attempt to make others aware of this perception, but do you try anyway?” I often verbally assert RP truths whenever I’m in the social company of women. I don’t put them out on the table as a topic for discussion, per se, but rather as a statement of fact or a germane observation based on the live discourse. I do it with a good dose of dry humor or in the form of amused mastery. I generally observe that a few female heads will be silently shaking “no’s” and sometimes hackles will raise when I pepper a… Read more »
Great comment. Last paragraphs are gold. Thank you.
I’m not a fan of It’s A Wonderful Life. The entire film Jimmy Stewart is sidetracked from what he wants to do with his life in order to serve the needs and expectations of others. It’s every beta conditioning method put to play against him with the end promise the servant beta will eventually see the truth in his service and get his just reward.
the comments on aunt giggles were red lens perfect: “When I talk to my friends who are above 30, single and actively looking they all say they want someone who is well settled in their career, ambitious (but not overly so) as in he has some direction in life, family oriented and socially well adjusted (not “popular” and “cool”), financially stable, commitment ready, smart, educated, presentable (not handsome or hot), kind and loyal with similar values and a lifestyle that fits with their own. I think this is perfectly reasonable and I share their outlook as well.” beta bucks on… Read more »
on an amusing side note my wife used dread on herself yesterday:
wife: we are invited for dinner at Susan’s next weekend, with her boyfriend
wife: “I think she wants you”
me: “what makes you say that?”
wife: “I have an instinct about these things”
me: “cancel the dinner if you want, I don’t care”
December 28th, 2014 at 10:10 am
There are starting to emerge systems for people to find their way without college. You do need a skill set. But STEM is only one of them. Raising money is definitely one. Early days yet.
Politics and professional sports serve the same purpose. The fans are wonderful spectators that have no effect on the outcome. That has not been my experience with politics. The game is mostly rigged – but not completely. Take the anti-Prohibitionists. They have gone from 10% in the early 70s to over 50% (and still rising) today. Steady concerted pressure. It helps that they have facts in their favor. IMO men could do the same thing – but just as they have given in to the FI they have given in to politics. The betas have given up and the alphas… Read more »
“What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society?” My own rage. The picture is becoming so much clearer the more I process the reality of the FI, how this feminized culture has affected me, and how blue pill conditioning and all the lies I was told — and operated on — have largely resulted in the frustrated, miserable position I’m in now. It’d be scapegoating the FI if I left it at that. But my only concern with blaming the FI is to reinforce in my mind that what I’ve been operating on are LIES. It’s not… Read more »
What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society? . Two things. First, the level of skin being shown that has become acceptable, not only from young girls but all women, married or single, white collar, blue collar, services, old or young it doesn’t matter, it’s everywhere. Apparently skin tight yoga pants and g strings flaunting camel toes and ass crack passes as working attire now. Heck, I went to a cafe last week in Melbourne Australia and a woman in nothing but a G string came up to grab a coffee, wtf? Flagrant and open hyperagamy is… Read more »
redpill: Leave them wanting more. Applies to every aspect of relating with a woman: she will come to despise you if you satisfy her completely, if you share all of your thoughts and dreams. Save the last inch or two, seriously. And never let any woman realize you love easily. (note to women: apply opposite to men. Satisfy men completely.) A little Same Night, drifting into Next Morning, story. A week ago I witnessed the most glorious sunrise I have ever seen. Leena had tracked me down at a late night soiree at another hotel suite, not difficult since it… Read more »
Softek – “Letting go of the idea of getting sympathy or love or support from women has been the keystone to that ability. Once I abandoned hope for that, establishing self-control and peace of mind became exponentially more attainable virtually overnight.”
I agree with this wholeheartedly. The downside for me is that it kills motivation. I am no longer interested in doing anything that looks like work when it comes to women. I make an offer they either accept or reject my terms. I have nether patience nor tolerance for anything I see as BS.
What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society?
Hypergamy doesn’t care…
December 28th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
@Pork-o-matic re: major dread.
I too would define major dread as her discovering women I’ve been gaming. And I concur it works for changing her into what she should be. I just wish something *else* would work.
So does she. LOL
Softek December 28th, 2014 at 11:31 pm Family. Find a woman who wants you so bad it hurts. Find Nell (Dudley Do Right). And then comes the long job of training her how to be a woman. Submissive. She the Yin you the Yang. I had to go through a LOT of women to get that. And training her has been a 40 year job. Just starting to bear fruit. But we do have a family. So there is that. At 25 you have plenty of time. Don’t rush. Work your game. Raise your N. It will come in handy.… Read more »
December 28th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
Re: monogamy and child rearing. I agree about monogamy being unnatural. But I have found that when the first mate can stay bonded for a while – going on a month – I am inclined to child rearing.
You have to teach women how to stay bonded. How to be submissive. The culture used to support it. It no longer does. And the woman has to want you very badly before she will even attempt it.
Glenn December 28th, 2014 at 1:22 pm There are a couple of other tricks going on you don’t mention. Are you aware of the background checks required to get a job these days? They are brutal. Get arrested and a majority of the economy is closed to you for seven years. Get a felony and it is over forever. And the #1 felony is a prohibition violation. One of the very few good things the left is doing is ending Prohibition. The right is still in favor. Just as they were in 1932. What this criminal “justice” is doing is… Read more »
My 5:40 am went into moderation.
Let me break it up so it posts. Glenn December 28th, 2014 at 1:22 pm There are a couple of other tricks going on you don’t mention. Are you aware of the background checks required to get a job these days? They are brutal. Get arrested and a majority of the economy is closed to you for seven years. Get a felony and it is over forever. And the #1 felony is a prohibition violation. One of the very few good things the left is doing is ending Prohibition. The right is still in favor. Just as they were in… Read more »
Mick Jagger had it right in “Sympathy for the Devil” — “You better all learn politics or I’ll lay your souls to waste.”
Even without all those trends there is another one that is destroying the value of labor – http://classicalvalues.com/2014/12/the-bots-are-coming/ Low skill manual labor in factories is going away. With or without China. With or without unlimited immigration. Even fruit picking is being automated.
Ok, give this bit of “information” a view through your red pill lens: (apparently pajama-boy has gotten a job?) I got a shriveled response right away. Count the fem-tropes and male-smears. Enjoy!
“The Secret to Know if Someone is Flirting With You” by TYTUniversity
Bachelorocles December 28th, 2014 at 2:17 pm There is some truth in what you say. The problem with redistribution is that some one else gets to tell you how to live. You lose your liberty. And if you produce, a significant portion of your production gets stolen. If the theft is great enough production collapses. In the USA we are on the threshold of that. Europe has gone over the mark. There is no perfect system. But I’ll take the depredations of self ownership over the alternative any day. I would rather have the choice between GM and Ford as… Read more »
December 28th, 2014 at 10:10 am
Autodidacts don’t get no respect. I self taught my way into aerospace engineering and could run circles around most of those guys. You would not be amazed at the number of times I get accused of not being a real engineer because I don’t have the right credentials. I laugh. I wrote a major column for an engineering magazine until the editorial dept was taken over by females. I was not beta enough for them. Heh.
Bachelorocles December 28th, 2014 at 2:17 pm In addition what you get with redistribution is ultimately a police state. http://classicalvalues.com/2014/12/they-followed-orders/ Because some one has to ENFORCE. Do you see the root word there? “Force”. And eventually you run out of force. The best state of affairs is willing acceptance. The rules make so much sense that 99+% WANT to obey them. The best ruler is one that no one notices. A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves. – Lao Tzu Compare that… Read more »
[not related to this post] I just heard about this thing called “male microchimerism” from youtuber Lui Marco. From Wikipedia: In humans (and perhaps in all Placentals) the most common form is fetomaternal microchimerism (also known as fetal cell microchimerism or fetal chimerism) whereby cells from a fetus pass through the placenta and establish cell lineages within the mother. Fetal cells have been documented to persist and multiply in the mother for several decades. The exact phenotype of these cells is unknown, although several different cell types have been identified, such as various immune lineages, mesenchymal stem cells, and placental-derived… Read more »
Great commentary on how FI shapes culture. FEMALE UK professor laments the lack of mechanical/tinkering/fixing stuff in “under 40” generation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11298927/Young-people-are-lost-generation-who-can-no-longer-fix-gadgets-warns-professor.html When I was a boy, I took apart stuff and put it back together (sort of) all the time. I would try weird things, like spraying the dusting polish on a lit light bulb to see it brown up and bubble and burn, and then make the bulb explode. I was constantly trying to figure out how stuff worked. I later worked on small engines and cars, I remember being fascinated by how simple two stroke engines were, and… Read more »
On why we have to start cutting back on the laws.
M Simon December 29th, 2014 at 5:42 am “There are a couple of other tricks going on you don’t mention. Are you aware of the background checks required to get a job these days? They are brutal. Get arrested and a majority of the economy is closed to you for seven years. Get a felony and it is over forever. And the #1 felony is a prohibition violation. One of the very few good things the left is doing is ending Prohibition. The right is still in favor. Just as they were in 1932. What this criminal “justice” is doing… Read more »
I think Ms Simon and many in the aerospace industry have fears like the below. When looking with a Red Pill lens this sort of stuff should SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF YOU and make the hairs on the back of your back stand up. From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Propulsion_Laboratory#Employee_background_check_lawsuit “On February 25, 2005, the Homeland Security Presidential Directive 12 was approved by the Secretary of Commerce. This was followed by the Federal Information Processing Standards 201 (FIPS 201), which specified how the federal government should implement personal identity verification. New specifications led to a need for rebadging to meet the updated… Read more »
@ sfcton – So you haven’t looked at Charles Murray’s statistics, got it. Are you a “race realist”? A white separatist? Do tell…
I did generalize a bit too much in that there are some differences. In the same economic cohort, black criminality is higher in some categories, but not more than marginally. And it’s true that the social outcome data is even worse across the board for blacks but the trend lines are the same for both groups.
Try reading Coming Apart and then get back to us. Let’s see if your bigotry survives that reading.
The use of It’s a Wonderful Life to talk about the warping of society is perhaps unintentionally ironic. During the same time period, John Wayne was becoming the supposed epitome of American masculinity and Alpha hood. And in a way he was; he bedded a lot of women, but on the other hand he wasn’t able to keep a marriage together and seemed to make a complete mess of his personal life in an almost hapless way. He was an outspoken hawk and patriot. On the other hand he managed to avoid genuine military service and he had changed his… Read more »
@Joe Blow re: Jimmy Stewart = beta.
I agree. And he is a great example of Facial Looks Aren’t Everything. Despite being very handsome and very tall, he was not at all successful with women because he was nice, good, kind, and old-school shy, an “aw shucks” guy.
Vox Day has a post ‘splainin how women desire evil. Outright evil. Good doesn’t work, and never *did* work, with women.
So again – an Asperger guy like me is left in the dust?
Is the greatest redpill TRVTH that women are repulsed by goodness and attracted by badness? Or is there a greater?
CH stupidly and mistakenly posits that goodness was a peacock tail: a male trait *attractive* to females but marking the male for elimination.
What is true is that evil is attractive and evil marks a male for elimation, by the police, or by other males if nothing else. Evil is the peacock tail, which expands when women get to choose.
Is it ‘evil’ or is it weakness? http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/29/what-lies-beneath/ Survival in the Pack In the manosphere a lot has been made in comparison about an alpha / beta dynamic in human behavior, but I think in focusing on similarities in primate social structures we neglect to see the pack mentality that is also prevalent in human nature. One of my passions is reconditioning retired racing Greyhounds. There is a peculiarity of this otherwise gentle breed in that they are prone to viciously kill other Greys who display behavioral cues that imply weakness, pain or disability. When an injured Grey yelps or… Read more »
@ jf12 Is the greatest redpill TRVTH that women are repulsed by goodness and attracted by badness? Or is there a greater? I’d say it’s more like that women are repulsed by weakness and attracted to power. BUT… The problem is that modern women tend to see any gracious or considerate gesture from a man as an indicator of his timidity and subservience, while they see jerk or asshole behavior as “strong”. I think a lot of that is due to the emasculating effects of our modern feminized culture, which tells men that being bold, ambitious, and assertive — i.e.,… Read more »
It is the evilness itself that is attractive to women.
Strength in the form of good strength is repulsive.
M Simon You strike me as a libertarian married to your sacred theory. A professor one told me, “study theory and know it well but don’t be afraid to alter the theory when the evidence doses not support it.” I would encourage you to challenge your theory by examining it over and against historical economic data. For instance, what evidence (not theory) do you have proving redistribution or socialism causes (not correlates with) a police state to come into being? And why do men of the manosphere love women from the socialist nations in Europe? “You didn’t build that” .… Read more »
@Blow Joe, The other Hollywood actor who signed up for real service and saw combat was Douglas Fairbanks Jr., son of the silent screen icon, Douglas Fairbanks. Because of his father Fairbanks junior got into the film industry in the early days of “talkies” and had carved out a lucrative career for himself as a movie actor. When WW2 broke out, he joined the US Navy, before Pearl Harbor. He resisted attempts by Navy brass to use him in recruitment films and dog-and-pony shows, and got himself seconded to the Royal Navy, where he participated in covert operations with the… Read more »
Actually, the term chickenhawks should be corrected WRT Wayne & Reagan. Reagan joined the army, but the army declined to send him overseas for physical reasons, and he wound up in a film unit.
Wayne did try to enlist, but his studios kept interfering- telling him they would sue him if he volunteered and broke his contract with them. They actually intervened with the Selective Service agency (the draft board) to prevent him being drafted, which would have gotten him out of his contracts. This was all because Wayne’s films were making money hand over fist for the studios.
Bacheloroces – “what evidence (not theory) do you have proving redistribution or socialism causes (not correlates with) a police state to come into being?” In post WWII era I’d cite the following examples: Poland Hungary Czechoslovakia Romania Bulgaria East Germany Yugoslavia China Cuba Venezuela Nicaragua USA (At least the direction we’re moving in) You get the point. I would assert in these most extreme examples it’s not a correlation or causation issue it’s that the police state is socialism and socialism is the police state. The two are not separable. You see the same thing in regards to Italian Facism… Read more »
“I think a lot of that is due to the emasculating effects of our modern feminized culture, which tells men that being bold, ambitious, and assertive — i.e., being men — is wrong and dangerous.”
Situational. Competing for resources yes. Spending those resources, no.
Paycheck. Dinner check.
Most “good guys” are weak as in they don’t do much in their own behalf. That’s fine when times are good and everyone is shitting in tall cotton. Note so good of a survival tactic when life sucks ass. What women want is a man who will act on his won behalf ie the “bad boy”
>>>Guys like Stewart, Steinback and Fairbanks Jr. were the “hard men” of WW2, unlike chickenhawks Wayne, and yes (it has to be said) Ronald Reagan, who spent WW2 making training and propoganda movies and were never near any combat action. Yet, which movie stars do the masses remember in connection with WW2 today? That’s the thing that I have difficulty reconciling. I wouldn’t quite call Wayne and Reagan chickenhawks, but they never managed to overcome the studio and P.R. machine objections to combat service that Stewart and Fairbanks and a couple other stars overcame. Stewart was a man among men,… Read more »
Joe Blow – “This leads me to think there’s a sort of ‘accomplished alpha’ subspecies that seems to get overlooked for the most part and I don’t quite get it because they aren’t betas in any meaningful sense…”
Maybe because too often flamboyance is conflated with confidence thus the quiet,competent, confident man is overlooked because he has better things to do than seek attention from everyone. Instead this type targets his desired audience seeks attention from it and cares not if anyone else notices.
I agree with you, the AF/BB dynamic in a single man isn’t beleived by women today. It isn’t believed by today’s women, not because it doesn’t exist in sufficient numbers, but because she doesn’t prefer it. She prefers in fact to extinguish it. She prefers a dual pluralistic feminine sexuality where she can express and enjoy greater sexual freedom and an artificial feeling of control and dominance. These are all her illusions of course. The optimal AF/BB man of yesterday is today’s dinosaur AS INTENDED BY the modern feminine imperative. She has incessantly vilified, belittled and psychologically castrated him for… Read more »
George – “She prefers a dual pluralistic feminine sexuality where she can express and enjoy greater sexual freedom and an artificial feeling of control and dominance.” Because giving herself sexually to a man who is a provider either makes her a whore (trading sex for material goods), or a slave (giving up power to submit to a dominant man). By chasing Alpha Fux she can submit moment and maintain the illusion of independence. By accepting commitment from Beta Bux she gets the very highest price for her sex and can aintain the illusion that’s she is not a whore. Combining… Read more »
Bad painter – Well put, agreed. I wonder how many women really are successful with this plural hypergamy and how many really aren’t. We are seeing many media examples of this and examples of young girls in traditionally masculine leadership fantasy roles (hunger games, etc.). However, I personally know very few real females who are successful with “open hypergamy” and none who characterize real leadership traits. The ones attempting to practice this plural hypergamy expose themselves as the untrustworthy sluts they are, divorced, etc and no man worth a shit wants anything to do with them. They end up extremely… Read more »
JoeBlow, I think these words from BoneCracker will help you understand what you are struggling with in regard to A/B. Alpha is not what most PUA’s put out there. They have taken a term that was defined long ago, and twisted it to cover up their loser status. And he also theorizes as to why more and more women are now humping these losers.
BP, I think you are to something there. The current environment for women and the one they really want is the AF/BB duality. They are two different, independent options. And she looks at the male in each very differently. In AF she can submit but does so because she wants to and gets nothing in return for it. So she’s not a whore. In BB she tricks a man into provisioning for her (he has the expectation of long term sex) but since for her it is NOT based upon physical attraction over time she loses interest and ends up… Read more »
@Joe Blow re: “He was a talented swordsman when he wanted to be”
Nonsense. There is no evidence for this behavior at all. Originally practically everyone out in Hollywood was begging him to be a badder boy in order to better appeal to the ladies. In contrast, Margaret Sullavan decided to improve her public perception, i.e. to unsully her casting-couch-queen reputation, by hanging out with Jimmy and patting him on the head and telling him what a good boy he was.
If you want a prototypical real Alpha male character in film, take the time to watch Stake Land – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1464580/
The lead male is known as Mister, he is an Apex Alpha in a post apocalyptic world. He takes what he needs, kills Vamps, yet has a strong ethical side to him. Strong, True, and Courageous.
Excellent movie also, as it deals with this scenario in a “real” way. The vamps are not beautiful people, and the humans are barely surviving.
10 outta 10 from me.
@DeNihilist re: no-maam “Alpha males don’t usually get the chicks. They get the best chick and she tends to stick around and beat the shit out of any other girls who come around.”
@ Water Cannon Boy: “Your aunt giggles advocated sexual assault.( or since she’s a girl she can joke about that) http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2014/12/23/relationshipstrategies/what-women-want-2/#comment-1760736064” Here’s what she said: “You could say, “listen, I know it’s been a couple of weeks, but I am still thinking about that makeout sesh…” “Alternatively, you could get him drunk and do it again!” I’m no longer surprised by anything Susan says. It’s hardly worth reading or commenting on anymore. She’s as tone-deaf as they come – advocating, even joking, that a woman get a guy drunk and then initiate another makeout session. I’m not sure she even… Read more »
This is kind of mind-blowing, because it’s on a female-centric satire site:
This is either the best piece of Black Knighting I’ve ever seen, or a really interesting early indicator of attitude changes.
The tactic of expressing truths behind multi-layered irony, so the reader wonders how meta the sendups are, is also one to file away.