Game Works

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Game, for lack of a better word, is good. Game is right. Game works.

After listening to myself on this weekend’s interview with Christian McQueen and Dagonet I realized that as I became more comfortable with the interview I found myself verbally ‘dialoging’ in much the same way that I scribble down fragments of ideas in my notebook or when I’m fleshing out a draft for some topic I’m considering in-post.

It’s always been a strange sensation for me to hear myself speak. Even when I record a voice message on my iPhone it always makes me self-conscious to listen to the message play back. However, as I was in the midst of listening to myself on the show I had the same familiar internal conversation and I picked up on a thought I had planned to write about, but I think it slipped my mind until now.

Towards the middle of our conversation I considered a few things about the benefits of Game, and it made me think about how Game has progressed to what it is today. One of the chapters in The Rational Male I specifically wrote for the book – and later converted to a blog post – was called The Evolution of Game. I added this as an effort to help uninitiated men have a better grasp of just what Game really is.

There’s been a lot of redefining of exactly what Game is over the past 12-13 years, but I’ve always considered Game an abstract term for a much larger concept.

Naturally, critics predisposed to a blue pill worldview want to portray “those red pill game guys” as throwbacks to the PUA set of the early 2000’s. This is a very shortsighted evaluation, usually proffered by guys ego-invested in a blue pill mindset and in need of easy definitions and buzz words to ridicule and move onto the next distraction.

Facing red pill truths is uncomfortable, and I understand the need to casually pass them off for fear of really having to critically reconsider ego-investments; that type of insight requires either real depth of character or an experience traumatic enough to shake one from beliefs that, in essence, make up part of their personality.

Both require a concentrated effort to learn from, and honestly, most people are too lethargic to consider red pill truths when there are more entertaining distraction to inure themselves with.

It’s just this lethargy that prevents them from understanding that Game and red pill awareness have matured far beyond the PUAs techniques of the past. Neil Strauss published The Game in 2003 – that’s 15 years since Mystery was wearing top hats and elevator boots.

Those caricatures may be comforting to laugh at, but in fifteen years the developed techniques and observations Game practitioners failed and succeeded with fed into what we would eventually come to understand as red pill awareness today.

Even some well meaning red pill Men may want to self-affirmingly ridicule the PUAs of the past and present, but if you have embraced a red pill awareness today, at least partially, you have these Men to thank for risking rejection and practicing techniques that laid a foundation for contemporary red pill awareness.

Now, imagine for a moment that, today, all men had to build on was the antiseptic studies and controlled experiments of a social science academia firmly steeped in a feminine-primary, feminine-correct social context. Imagine what red pill awareness would be if not for the guys in the field doing ‘experiments’. Imagine what marriage counselors and ‘relationship experts’ would (and honestly, still) advise men to do in order to change their lives with an understanding based solely on what a feminine- primary, controlled social science approved of.

Only the PUAs of then and now have had the unfettered freedom to perform in-field social experiments, and relate their collected evidence and observations with other men; the types of which social science has been forbidden from due either to ethical considerations or by feminine-primary social conventions.

Game does not Occur in a Vacuum

Recently the comment threads here have had a tendency to devolve into a “looks are all that matters so why bother learning Game?” line of reasoning. The commentariat can lean towards go-your-own-way defeatism, then to resolving to live in the gym until one inspire female arousal, or, to appeals to positive confidence.

And while I have always recognized – more than most other manosphere bloggers if I dare – the obvious truth that Looks are a prime requisite for arousal (and attraction), I also recognize an effort to discredit Game and red pill awareness by absolutes, extremes and absurdities.

For anyone with the sense that Game and red pill awareness is valueless and superfluous in the face of women’s primary drive for physical arousal, I suggest you read Advocatus Diaboli’s treatise on how to pragmatically use escorts (either that or relocate to the state of Nevada). Honestly, I hold no disapproval for men who feel this is the best way to satisfy their need for sex and female contact. It may indeed be your best option under the current social environment.

For anyone else, I think it’s very important to look at the benefits of Game both in an intergender and interpersonal context. If you consider yourself “red pill” (another useful, but abstract term) Game has benefitted you – because it was the early trials and errors of Game that led to red pill principles we understand now.

If you have even a cursory grasp of how women’s biology and menstrual cycle influences ovulatory shift behaviors in mate preferences and you’ve altered your perception of women, Game has benefitted you.

If you understand the basics of feminine hypergamy and the sexual strategies women use to optimize their mate selection, and then changed your intergender tact as a result of it, Game has benefitted you.

If you’ve internalized the core psychological principles underlying women’s perceptions of Amused Mastery, Command Presence, Agree & Amplify, Cocky & Funny, Social Proof, Dread and even Chick Crack, whether you’ve applied them or not, Game has expanded your consciousness of women’s behaviors and their motivators.

If you’ve had the insight to understand your blue pill conditioning, the reasons for your predispositions towards a Savior Schema, feminine identifying, why a LJBF is a rejection, why Beta Game comes naturally to men but is self defeating, or why SMV accrues and decays over the course of a lifetime, Game and the red pill have benefitted you.

If you’ve used or modified any of these principles to better your marriage, your dealings with co-workers, your daughter, mother or even your best friend’s domineering wife, you’ve benefitted from Game.

If you’ve saved or bettered another man’s life, or bettered his intergender relationships, you’ve both benefitted from Game.

I could go on, but if you honestly believe that women’s primary physical arousal cues trump any value that Game or red pill awareness really has, then you’re wasting your time here reading and commenting on what I have to offer. You’d be better served by focusing all your attentions to lifting in the gym and shifting your career goals toward a job that is physically demanding and keeps you at your physical best.

Ironically, getting in shape is also an aspect of Game. Even if your belief is “Looks are everything”, but yet your understanding of this comes as a result of your red pill awareness of the Alpha Fucks side of hypergamy, Game has benefitted you.

Just a familiarity with Game concepts, whether you accept them or not, still influence your perception of women and the motivations behind their behaviors.

Red pill awareness challenges feminine-primary thinking. Why do you think the mass dissemination of red pill awareness is so threatening to the Feminine Imperative?

Doing Something

What is the manosphere actually ‘doing’?

This is the first critique I expect from from a poor debate opponent – disqualifying the strength or validity of a premise by the ‘success’ or lack thereof of a proponent’s efforts to enact or convince others of that premise.

By this logic, one could make the case that the MRM is an utter failure, but it still doesn’t mean they aren’t correct in their efforts.

As I mentioned on the Christian McQueen Show, I’m of a bottom up, or an inside – out mind when it comes to enacting red pill ‘change. The manosphere is raising awareness and this needs time (maybe even a generation) to mature into personal consciousness and then popular consciousness.

It’s difficult to quantify the ‘results’ of the manosphere, red pill awareness and Game because its effects are individually subjective at this stage. There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t receive an email, a forum/blog comment or a tweet about how my book or what I’ve written on the blog has changed (or literally saved) a man’s life.

That’s not meant to gloss myself, but rather to illustrate a point – the red pill (and Game) is doing something, it’s changing minds and lives. It’s not rallying men in the streets and waving banners, nor is it effecting legal or social policy (yet), but it’s making men aware of their condition and changing their beliefs.

No hate for what the MRM is doing, I recognize the intent and applaud it, but thus far it’s been impotent in effecting “real change in policy”, while red pill awareness has done more for men individually. For all of the MRM’s efforts to enact public change, all it takes is one White Knight in a position of authority to say “GTFO you misogynist creeps!” Now imagine in the future a man who’s red pill aware in a position to effect that policy.

Real change isn’t going to happen directly it’s going to happen indirectly, on a man by man basis. And not just publicly but personally.

That change will happen in men’s relationships with their wives, daughters and sons. That change may simply be a form of ‘civil disobedience’ in not marrying at all, or holding women accountable for their open embrace of hypergamy and their AFBB sexual strategy and only marrying / supporting women who make an effort to control their hypergamy.

That change will happen in the workplace and hiring practices. That change will filter into men’s better understanding as the red pill spreads and men reassume some of the social frame control the Feminine Imperative unilaterally legislates and provide to women now.

The red pill is ‘doing’ something, it’s planting the seeds for a greater shift in gender power with every man who becomes aware of how women ‘are’ and what they will predictably do.

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Ryan
Ryan
7 years ago

@John

Wayne Lineker is 51, cool, in shape and owns a string of bars on the party island of Ibiza. His girlfriend is 20! Should he go for someone his own age cause game doesn’t work, right? LOL

https://twitter.com/DanielleSandhu/status/494240119814385664

Siirtyrion
Siirtyrion
7 years ago

@Jf12: Siirtyrion continues to complain that “the question is not whether or not it ‘works’”, but whether or not Game *should* work since women have such exquisitely-honed pickers. This is the exact same complaint that women have: they don’t like knowing the fact that Game can easily work. For all of his/her smokescreening about “honest” signals, the fact that “dishonest” learned signals work so well is THE topic of this post. “Dishonest learned signals work so well”? Provide citations for that. But something tells me you’ll either revert to an “Oh, I don’t have time for that, you look it… Read more »

David W
David W
7 years ago

@ FM Well, thanks. While I don’t think that there is any one prescription that applies to men in LTRs/marriages, for me, what I have found most useful so fare are: -The concept of ‘amused mastery,’ (which is linked in the article.) -The concept of Deep emotion vs rational talk http://marriedmansexlife.com/2014/03/violence-deep-emotion-and-rational-talk/ (-Caveat here: I don’t agree with the conclusion that “If you can make Violence and Deep Emotion losing strategies, people will stop using them against you. This will force them into trying the only remaining strategy available to them…rational talk” I think your spouse will stop using as *much*… Read more »

Siirtyrion
Siirtyrion
7 years ago

Unlike the readership here, I can actually provide real data that backs up my statements (directly or indirectly). See below: The following is taken from: Patzer, Gordon L., Ph.D. 2008. Looks: Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined. New York, NY: Amacom. “A landmark study in 1966 by the University of Minnesota–Minneapolis gathered a group of 664 student volunteers. The study showed that there was little or no difference between introverted and extroverted personalities when it came to being liked by a date. In other words, young college adults were primarily concerned about the physical attractiveness of their date.”… Read more »

bbb
bbb
7 years ago

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Hobbes
Hobbes
7 years ago

So Siirtyrion..
You seem to be on this crusade to show how much attractiveness matters- when everyone has conceded that it does matter… So what is your point? boiled down to its essence?
And I notice you still ignored the question posed- so you believe it’s all deterministic, ok, and beauty reigns. ok.. so now what? So what are you saying we SHOULD DO with this information then?
Answer that question already, for fucks sake. Notice you won’t have to cite papers or write a Goddamn book…
Waiting….

Hobbes
Hobbes
7 years ago

After reading your studies, none of them are the slam dunk you make them out to be.. The first: “In other words, young college adults were primarily concerned about the physical attractiveness of their date.”- no shit. Notice, as well, that it is not limited to just women, but men as well “young college adults” means men as well as women. So men and women first react and worry to looks. Amazing discovery. second: ““Research reports that symmetrical men smell better to women, especially if a woman is menstruating” great, cool.. nowhere does it say that this si theonly determining… Read more »

orion
orion
7 years ago

I think those studies zero in on looks because how do you measure behavior?

Even in the studies that show that women prefer a dominant, powerful looking man, instead of a friendly looking one, “the look” is really all they can measure somewhat objectively.

Just because science is blind to certain aspects of courtship because they are hard, if not impossible, to measure, does not mean they have no impact.

Ishamael
7 years ago

@ Siirtyrion “Again, simply attacking my writing style by claiming it to be “trollish” or “confusing” and not attacking my real positions against game, speaks volumes about you. Namely, that you are operating under an ad hominem fallacy.” Incorrect. There is no position to “attack” when you do not make your position clear. Your failure to communicate in a clear manner WAS the problem, and has been your problem with other posts. Fix it if you want to be taken seriously. “Succinctly put: Game has no quantifiable hard data suggesting that it can actually bend female choice (as an independent… Read more »

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
7 years ago

“If modern humans began spreading out of Africa only 50,000 or so years ago, then it’s useless to use Eskimos, or Iroquois as examples for human behavior BEFORE 100,000-200,000 BP.” Which means the latitudinal hypothesis of increasing monogamy falls a bit flat, since everybody (“us”) was in Africa rootling around for mongongo nuts and hassling antelopes. I don’t think anybody has a handle on what the social arrangements of Neandertals, Denisovans or whatever the recently postulated third variety might have been. We have to go with what we’ve got, so where do we start? Australasians and San-type peoples are NBG… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: “Yet again, you fail to look at the big picture here. If modern humans began spreading out of Africa only 50,000 or so years ago”
bounces off me and sticks to you. So, you are arguing that you were making totally inane, ignorant, and irrelevant noises about paleo people far from the tropics? I agree. Totally.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: “gives us a terminus ante of, I dunno, 12-10,000 BP is it now? (And say as late as 6-8000 in northern Europe, where most of the looking has been done).”

And Tam done slammed Siirtyrion’s head onto the elevator railing, as captured on the security cam.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: “Unlike the readership here, I can actually” cut and paste blocks of texts plural tediously. Some could call it plagiarism, if it were relevant.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

Re: in addition to those of us calling for Siirtyrion to produce evidence of human sexual behaviors “BEFORE 100,000-200,000 BP”, I’d like to know what she proposes is the geographical distribution of humans “BEFORE 100,000-200,000 BP” before “modern humans began spreading out of Africa”. All huddled in a tropical clump, mebbe?

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
7 years ago

Talking out me arse about paleo-Eskimos though. Dorsets are much, much later than I thought, and the whole shooting-match of (to be rude) Eskimo sort of people arrived well after the mainland Early Americans, who were in that sort of time frame mentioned earlier.. (I had a nagging sort of feeling that since I don’t know all that much about it, I’d better check. It’s all very far away, and cold and dark and stuff hem hem) ” .. first Americans entered the New World at least 15,500 years ago, and that two smaller migrations of hunter-gatherers from Asia followed.… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: Eskimos doing agriculture. First, they invented the ice plow. Then, they waited for global warming to evolve.

LiveFearless
7 years ago

Someone has written:

N.B. SiirTyrion is a developmental biologist at MIT

Where may we find the published works?

MIT continues to do a lot of amazing stuff, and a lot of it is known:
http://betaboston.com/news/2014/05/19/50-ways-that-mit-has-transformed-computer-science/

LiveFearless
7 years ago

RM Truth:

There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t receive an email, a forum/blog comment or a tweet about how my book or what I’ve written on the blog has changed (or literally saved) a man’s life.
-Rollo Tomassi

They that hate, sadly, dedicate much of life in attempting to generally debunk the validity of male self improvement.

FM
FM
7 years ago

@David W Thanks for those things. Yes, the wife and I tried counseling with someone who was supposedly top-notch, expert at sex, etc. Total bust. Total bust. Yes, it was about a negotiated emotional equilibrium that was supposed to enhance desire. Not likely. The thing that got me into the manosphere stuff was the sexless marriage phenomenon. This is trickier than game for social fun. I am still trying to figure this out. (On my own, of course, because thinking is not RP action.) I like what you said about leadership. All true. My wife is still adjusting. Poor thing–my… Read more »

David W
David W
7 years ago

@ Siirtyrion, you said: “Succinctly put: Game has no quantifiable hard data suggesting that it can actually bend female choice (as an independent variable) because it IS a dependent variable on many other factors that are not in the disposal of everyman (namely physical cues). Therefore, it is of negligible value to the average male.” “I am of the opinion that game merely tries to indoctrinate males on how to establish psychological leverage.Now, can this be parlayed into SMALL tangible benefits in terms of male-advantage in courtship/mating interactions? Absolutely. But it is *far* from being the silver bullet it is… Read more »

FM
FM
7 years ago

@ David W

BTW, have you seen this. I thought it was very good, esp. what “Daniel” says about women’s questions. Amusing really, when you think about it.

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2012/08/can-game-save-this-marriage.html

FM

LiveFearless
7 years ago

With Dr. Drew Pinsky tonight. Can’t say where. Can’t say why. He’s sincere. He took crazy risks to narrate this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UqvH2hgw0ME Have you thanked him in a review o Amazon or iTunes or his blog? Love him or hate him, he’s more influence than you, and that does, indeed, matter. As of tonight, I can assure you that he’s reading The Rational Male and his staffs will be reading through some of the comments. Do you want to be the one attempting to debunk junk ‘science’ that blames you for most problems in the world? Or, do you want to… Read more »

chris
chris
7 years ago

I just realised why women have rape fantasies. They desire sex with the alpha male, but consciously don’t want to lose the romantic investment of beta males, and so while desiring the sex with the alpha male they after the fact realise that such sex means they lose beta investment and so they consciously determine that the sex is non-consensual or they disagree to the sex. I cam to the conclusion after beginning to write a comment on this blog post http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/you-it/200806/rape-fantasy-or-pseudo-rape-fantasy/ I was attempting to delineate the difference between wanting sex and agreeing to sex and used this example… Read more »

chris
chris
7 years ago

edited version I just realised why women have rape fantasies. They desire sex with the alpha male, but consciously don’t want to lose the romantic investment of beta males, and so while desiring the sex with the alpha male they after the fact realise that such sex means they lose beta investment and so they consciously determine that the sex is non-consensual or they disagree to the sex even though they subconsciously desire or enjoy it, I came to the conclusion after beginning to write a comment on this blog post http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/you-it/200806/rape-fantasy-or-pseudo-rape-fantasy/ I was attempting to delineate the difference between… Read more »

George
George
7 years ago

“I trust an MIT scientist working in the field of developmental biology discussing these issues a whole lot more than I do some guy on a blog.”

Be careful what you trust. Academic pontification will never out perform common sense. Trust experience.

Softek
Softek
7 years ago

Game is about maximizing our ability to realize our potential. What is our potential? There’s a Taoist story about a monk who’s bullied into performing very dangerous feats. The older monks think it’ll be funny, so they tell him things like, “If you jump into this raging river, you’ll find a pearl at the bottom,” or “If you jump off this balcony into that haystack, you’ll find an emerald.” They think he’ll break his leg or get seriously injured, and get all excited when they see that he’s about to make a giant ass out of himself. But the young… Read more »

eon
eon
7 years ago

@ Siirtyrion (October 11th, 2014 at 2:35 pm) . Rollo: “I think a more valid question would be, do you trust the more than 20 years of research and social experimentation from a PhD at the UCLA Departments of Psychology, Communication Studies, and the Institute for Society and Genetics?” Siirtyrion to Rollo: “I can play that game too: “I think a more valid question would be, do you trust what PUAs and their minions say over a body of knowledge that has never been proven empirically (i.e. ‘game’ as an independent variable) OR would you much rather believe the inner… Read more »

Brody
Brody
7 years ago

@ eon: “Actually, it is completely proper to define Game however one wishes, for a particular purpose, and doing so is in fact necessary, in order to maintain integrity.” That’s absurd, and you must know it. By this token, Game is everything and therefore nothing, since it lacks definition. The term becomes meaningless. This is not integrity you are talking about, but mental obfuscation that comes either from confusion or dishonesty, or both. The inability to define terms you use in a way that would convey their meaning in an understandable way to others is a sign that you either… Read more »

Ishamael
7 years ago

@Brody Read the next paragraph in eon’s comment. “Since the term “Game” is being used to mean so many different things, stating precisely what one is talking about, as Rollo did, is the only honest and productive way in which to approach a discussion or presentation.” In order to have a productive discussion on this topic, the term “game” should be defined (which Rollo has done) and that definition should be used for the rest of the discussion. If commenters start arbitrarily redefining the term, as Siirtyrion has, to make their counterarguments, the discussion loses its intellectual integrity. This method… Read more »

victormanley
victormanley
7 years ago

“While we all may not become masters, we can all not become victims” Game awareness prevents victimization. [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IFn1zm4fD8&w=640&h=360%5D

eon
eon
7 years ago

Ishamael,

Thank you.

I enjoy reading your many interesting and valuable comments, like the one about Sokal.

eric
eric
7 years ago

This is the ONLY website out there in the manosphere, that is advancing the understanding of the red pill. Chatue Heartiste and Alphagameblogspot and just report trends and break down what happened in recent events. You guys( Rollo and the ones who post in comment section) try to make everyone understand what being a “red pill” guy means, not what we make it out to be for our own benefits. The hardest pill to swallow is that looks matter.. but other bloggers say that DOMINANCE matters for one night stands and relationships, more than looks. Can you do an article… Read more »

water cannon boy
water cannon boy
7 years ago

(Three years later … Rollo receives the Nobel Prize in Biology for his discovery of the Spiteless Variable!, as Siirtyrion weeps, lulz.)

By then, everyone will know game, everyone will be confident, everyone will be hip to the female sexual strategy. Then there won’t be anything left to go own but whether a guy is good looking enough for a woman and whether she’s is good looking enough to have that good looking guy she wants to come up and talk to her.
Then sirtyrion will say see, I was right!!
But until that time

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

” . . .other bloggers say that DOMINANCE matters for one night stands and relationships, more than looks. ” The manosphere is having a hard time moving beyond its “How to Pick Up Girls for Aspies” commercial PUA roots. It was necessary to emphasize social skills over looks to sell product to creepy looking, unsocializable men. Rollo has been one of those instrumental in moving it on and even Roosh is now at least trying with his RoK. ” . . . which one is more important?” When? For whom? In what environment? How fast do you let out a… Read more »

Ishamael
7 years ago

@eon

Of course. Actually, your comments reminded me of Sokal. Friggin hilarious way of pointing out how unintelligible some academics are. My guess is most of those types don’t really have anything to add to their respective fields, but they have to publish anyway, so they hide behind literary nightmares. Some may just think they’re clever and believe their own bullshit though, lol. Anyway, very keen observations. Have thoroughly enjoyed yours and other comments on this thread.

eon
eon
7 years ago

I should probably explain my point about “independent variable” a little better, since I used somewhat technical terms to avert a scientificalistical reply about dinga-linga-signaling or other such nonsense. Game cannot be “independent” of looks because: looks = body; Game = behavior; behavior = what you do with your body. So you cannot see behavior without also seeing the body. But Game is also not “dependent” on looks in the way that Siirtyrion keeps implying. Think of it in these terms: Looks are like a television set. They are “static” in the sense that they do not change (or the… Read more »

Mark Christison
7 years ago

Reblogged this on Mark Christison and commented:
An incredibly well written piece.

corsicanlulu
corsicanlulu
7 years ago

throughout my life as a woman ive always thought and marvelled…”wow…why do guys put up w/ so much from women?” so many examples of this…pretty women who get away w/ murder and have white knights defend her because they cannot fathom an attractive goddess doing evil things,(casey anthony) they simply cannot and do not want to think of women in realistic terms, as human beings! why is this? is it a relic of catholicism/Virgin Mary, or just christianity in general? there’s a lot of talk about America’s puritanical past but puritans were very strict and intolerant of women’s wiles (read… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@corsicanlulu re: “you only need standards and women would have to comply”

Nope. It’s been too late for that since the sexual revolution of the 1960s.
See also
http://therationalmale.com/2014/10/19/yes-means-fear/

glichman
glichman
7 years ago

Damn, its taken me 3 days to read all the posts…..feck there’s a whole new page of comments, anyway: I’m newly red pill awakened, 3 months. I answer yes to all Rollo’s questions. I am/was a bitter beta provider husband, not understanding why my career minded wife never appreciated my efforts to enable her to pursue her career. Forget in terms of sex, just appreciating what her partner does for her. It’s taken me 9 months and marriage counselling for her to muster an apology (will not try that again) of the impact her actions have had on our marriage.… Read more »

glichman
glichman
7 years ago

@FM @David W I instigated marriage counselling, for years our relationship panned out like this. Her complaint has to be listened to and I had to apologise for actions, show remorse and try be a better husband. My complaint, would be super ceded by a super complaint and back to square one. Can’t raise my voice as that’s aggressive. So marriage counselling for me was a chance to have a level playing field where she had to listen to my complaints. What did I get, nothing, a meagre apology for her actions and she now expects me to move on.… Read more »

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swanknasty
swanknasty
7 years ago

@Siirtyrion has got it all wrong because a) selection can only act against the phenotype and b) behavioral factors do have a part to play in male attractiveness. With regard to appearance, we can grant Siirtyrion symmetry and “masculinity” (honest signals). However, Siirtyrion remains silent on bodyfat and muscularity. With regard to interpersonal traits, Siirtyrion states that “trying harder” or “overconfidence” indicate a “lack of fitness.” This is untrue. Several studies have demonstrated that attractiveness ratings fluctuate in tandem with group interaction. “Behavior” is an honest signal and the “handicap principle” applies to behavior as well. Put crudely, acting like… Read more »

Devil from the Outerworld

I don’t want to read all of this diatribe, but I got the gist of by reading excerpts. I write a comment every 3 years on internet, take it as a big compliment. Let’s go ahead. I find it funny that some people want to say “game doesn’t work / it is not bringing benefit”. It is axiomatic that experience analyzed with intelligence and translated in more advanced tactics works, improving results and decreasing effort. Learn from your mistakes and train, and you will be better at driving, at tennis, at fishing, at talking in public, at making women comply… Read more »

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Pinelero
Pinelero
6 years ago

Trolls are getting more sophisticated.

“intellectuals” against PUA = revenge of the nerds!

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Pinelero
Pinelero
4 years ago

Wow! I didn’t realize how long I have been reading TRM and slowly mastering Game. To me Game is just learning to communicate in the language of women (i.e non-verbal sub-communication with the medium being the message). To really listen to someone and to understand them is the sincerest form of flattery, so in a way Game is a complement to women. It’s sad that few women don’t reciprocate and learn to speak to men, but that’s just the burden of performance and the call to masculine leadership. I’m taking ballroom dancing with my wife now, and leading a women… Read more »

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warningorder
warningorder
2 years ago

Game woke me up.

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